[syndicate] \\ komunizm vs kapitalizm vs juzt 4 u

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[part 3]



 >thus you can contribute nothing to
 > such a discussion except juvenile disdain, which proves nothing  
but your
lack of emotional maturity.

[answered elsewhere]


 >> As all good capitalists Thievery 74 described the rape as the
 >> democratization of my software, as it was less expensive
 >> and easily digestible by the white and trashy, occident walmart
generation.
 >
 > Yes, this sounds to me exactly like a battle between capitalists,

Sounds like democratization/desacralization.

Took place everyday in communism.
Takes place everyday in capitalism.
And it is what you are advocating.



 >it
 > should
 > teach you that to be a successful Capitalist you need to make Capital
into
 > Land, or rather the short term rent on innovation (i.e. Marshal's
"Quasi-Rent"), into the permanent rent on guaranteed property, i.e.  
Patents, Copyrights, actual Land. Any Capitalists that fails to this  
will
 > be bankrupt, as the long term return to Capital can never capture any
more
 > that it's reproduction costs, if that. You seem to have found that  
out
for
 > yourself.

You are reducing reality to a pitiful set of secularized meaningless  
events that fit within the modern democratic citizen's
shrivelled up emotional/spiritual state.

What I found out is precisely what I have said -
desacralization/democratization of reality. It is what you are  
doing.  It is what communism and capitalism do.

Re: "into the permanent rent on guaranteed property, i.e. Patents,  
Copyrights, actual Land."

I had copyrights and provisory patents and the legal action was
initiated. But in the process I realized spending 3-5 years dealing  
with sick people in a sick society, was a recipe for disaster.
It wasn't a question of fighting for the tech in nato.0+55 -- that  
was simply.boring and copied by an
amalgam of occident krikets after 1 year  -- but the safety/integrity  
of future things.
However, after the response of the civilized multitude to the public  
thievery, it became
very obvious that was the wrong world to participate in at any price.

So it became priceless.



"Particularly, as renting people as employees spoils the scenery and  
the recipe"

When the objective is travelling the untravelled one follows the
unpronounceable not some meaningless keywords like open this and that.



 >> Particularly, as renting people as employees spoils the scenery  
and the
recipe.
 >
 > "Renting people as employees" is the basis of exploitation within a
context
 > of Lockean property rights.


We were told this in the first day of 1st grade.

Why it was banned [except to the state], why we were equal
and therefore had no excuses, etc ... so, u can shut down the broken  
xerox.



 > "Renting people as employees" is not the only option, you could have
opened
 > up and embraced other contributors as equals in the creation and
ownership
 > of your products


One opens up to the unpronounceable not
some dried up unconscious debris, which was by and large the majority.
Naturally, there were some lovely people as well.


 >, and also reached to a wider community

Prostitution and meaninglessness are not viable options.

The objective is not reaching/communication with a wider audience
but reaching/communication with IT.

Leveraging the work of 5-10 people, or even 25 [more than that and
you're entering meaningless land] wouldn't make your theories any  
more real.



 >You tried to
 > play the game of proprietor, but this is a cut-through game and you
lost,
 > so now you re bitter.


I lost in the same sense that a peasant loses to a capitalist farm or  
a communist cooperative,
or a wild animal loses to human encroachment.  The losers are all  
involved.

But exiting the 15min reality/world of inanimate objects for 'izvorul  
minunilor' was a treat and a blessing.

I don't have time to explain to you all of the dynamics, suffice it  
say it wasn't the nasty push from
the 15min reality, but the lovely pull from 'izvorul minunilor' which  
caused the cracks and the exit.

See the excerpt from a Subtle Tech presentation below.





 > This experience seems to have driven you to search for non- 
proprietary
relations,

Conscious childhood.



 >attracted as you seem to be by kin-communal and commons-based
 > modes

That's not a synonym for the unpronounceable.
I don't care about kin-communal and commons-based per se.

The village routine was an example.
You can find it elsewhere obviously.


 >, but hasn't yet driven you to go far enough to actually try to
 >understand the fundamental difference between capitalist and  
socialist production

Both create an unhealthy unlivable meaningless mess.


 >, thus you have nothing but posturing and idealizing Romanian village
life to offer.

 >Worse, I suspect your evident self-absorption will
 > prevent you from embracing a truly open mode of producing, as that
requires
 > a level of respect for the contributions of others that it seems you
would
 > be unable to muster.


'Truly open mode of producing' that u speak of is largely
hypocritical meaningless projects financed by gov and corporations
that output desacralized things which are devoid of _real_ value.

I _choose_ what is open and with whom.


http://www.katsandogz.com/onwork.html



 >>  >As I have exmplained multilple times, the effect of this is less
 >>  > rent in the price. Once you agree to know that class
 >> stratification is built on rent-capture, then you will see why  
this is
meaningfull.
 >
 >> That's not what makes people do what they do.
 >
 > I am not attempting to explain why people do what they do.

What makes people do what they do +?


I am attempting
 > to explain where some classes get the power to impose control on  
others
and
 > dictate what they do.


There is a difference between explaining it and trying to do it.
Whether you intend to or not, you've been doing quite a bit
of the latter.