Re: [syndicate] FW: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les Pays-Bas rejettent le traité constitutionnel européen

[clemos]

> there is no difference between le pen and chirac and I hate them
> both)

here I agree with you, 
but I guess there's no difference between lepen and communists and
altermondialists neither... and this similarity is very clear about
the european topic

anyway and once again, putting lepen in front of the debate is not
very constructive to me...
both sides treat the other of totalitarists (or even cop hehe!)...
this is crap, and usually based on out of date political concepts...

and as ohnoqt said, the reasons that show up in the statistics you
bring are quite blur to me, and can involve lots of different deeper
reasons and poltical motivations ...

no-ists are maybe to happy now to really think about it ...
(anyway, yes-ists don't either, but rather because they are
disapointed ... and weak...)

++++++++
clemos

> 
> ok, find somehting else now that this is disproved
> 
> > Somebody once said: Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is
> > suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
> > Funny...not a word in those pools about the reason of "dissatisfaction
> with
> > the
> > current economic and social situation in France " (52%) - no question
> about
> > the immigrants in France, about 'polish-invaders', not a word about the
> > fact that the same insatisfied 'no' majority voted proudly from the same
> > reason for LePen ("dissatisfaction with the current economic and social
> > situation in France ") 3 yrs ago.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter Luining wrote:ohnoqt at yahoo.com wrote:
> > > How do you explain the fact that large majority of people who voted as
> you
> > did (no), are very fond of populist, raciste and conservative ideas ?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Polls after the French vote show that this explanation is
> > wildly incorrect:
> >
> >
> http://www.humanite.fr/journal/2005-05-31/2005-05-31-635521
> >
> > Key paragraph:
> >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > According to SOFRES [a polling institution], the "no" voters made
> > their decision because "this treaty will exacerbate unemployment in
> > France" (46%), "to show they're fed up with the current situation"
> > (40%), "a 'no' vote will make it possible to renegotiate the treaty"
> > (35%), "this treaty is too neoliberal" (34%), "this treaty is
> > particularly difficult to understand (34%), "Europe threatens France's
> > identity" (19%) or "because of Turkey" (18%). Among these reasons,
> > issues of social protection and opposition to neoliberalism are
> > clearly far ahead of xenophobic tendencies and worries about national
> > sovereignty. This is confirmed by the IPSOS poll, according to which
> > the three main reasons for the "no" vote are dissatisfaction with the
> > current economic and social situation in France (52%), the view that
> > the proposed treaty is "too neoliberal" (40%) and confidence in being
> > able to get a better constitution after a renegotiation (39%). One
> > last proof that at the heart of the "no" vote is the desire for
> > another sort of Europe: according to most of the polling institutions,
> > a very large majority of "no" voters (64% according to CSA) want
> > France to ask for a new European constitution to be written.
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Somebody once said: Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is
> > suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
> > Funny...not a word in those pools about the reason of "dissatisfaction
> with
> > the
> > current economic and social situation in France " (52%) - no question
> about
> > the immigrants in France, about 'polish-invaders', not a word about the
> > fact that the same insatisfied no majority voted proudly from the same
> reason
> > for LePen ("dissatisfaction with the current economic and social situation
> in
> > France ") 3 yrs ago.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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