Re: [syndicate] FW: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les Pays-Bas rejettent le traité constitutionnel européen

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Le 3 juin 05, à 15:13, clemos a écrit :

>> there is no difference between le pen and chirac and I hate them
>> both)
>
> here I agree with you,
> but I guess there's no difference between lepen and communists and
> altermondialists neither... and this similarity is very clear about
> the european topic

deep ...

>
> anyway and once again, putting lepen in front of the debate is not
> very constructive to me...
> both sides treat the other of totalitarists (or even cop hehe!)...
> this is crap, and usually based on out of date political concepts...

such as for example ? ...

>
> and as ohnoqt said, the reasons that show up in the statistics you
> bring are quite blur to me, and can involve lots of different deeper
> reasons and poltical motivations ...
>
> no-ists are maybe to happy now to really think about it ...

no


> (anyway, yes-ists don't either, but rather because they are
> disapointed ... and weak...)

falsch !
ouistes have the academician Valery's Txt.
that is in fact the very deepest depht to be reached nowadays without  
ox.




>
> ++++++++
> clemos
>
>>
>> ok, find somehting else now that this is disproved
>>
>>> Somebody once said: Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is
>>> suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
>>> Funny...not a word in those pools about the reason of  
>>> "dissatisfaction
>> with
>>> the
>>> current economic and social situation in France " (52%) - no question
>> about
>>> the immigrants in France, about 'polish-invaders', not a word about  
>>> the
>>> fact that the same insatisfied 'no' majority voted proudly from the  
>>> same
>>> reason for LePen ("dissatisfaction with the current economic and  
>>> social
>>> situation in France ") 3 yrs ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Luining wrote:ohnoqt at yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> How do you explain the fact that large majority of people who voted  
>>>> as
>> you
>>> did (no), are very fond of populist, raciste and conservative ideas ?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Polls after the French vote show that this explanation is
>>> wildly incorrect:
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.humanite.fr/journal/2005-05-31/2005-05-31-635521
>>>
>>> Key paragraph:
>>>
>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> -----
>>> According to SOFRES [a polling institution], the "no" voters made
>>> their decision because "this treaty will exacerbate unemployment in
>>> France" (46%), "to show they're fed up with the current situation"
>>> (40%), "a 'no' vote will make it possible to renegotiate the treaty"
>>> (35%), "this treaty is too neoliberal" (34%), "this treaty is
>>> particularly difficult to understand (34%), "Europe threatens  
>>> France's
>>> identity" (19%) or "because of Turkey" (18%). Among these reasons,
>>> issues of social protection and opposition to neoliberalism are
>>> clearly far ahead of xenophobic tendencies and worries about national
>>> sovereignty. This is confirmed by the IPSOS poll, according to which
>>> the three main reasons for the "no" vote are dissatisfaction with the
>>> current economic and social situation in France (52%), the view that
>>> the proposed treaty is "too neoliberal" (40%) and confidence in being
>>> able to get a better constitution after a renegotiation (39%). One
>>> last proof that at the heart of the "no" vote is the desire for
>>> another sort of Europe: according to most of the polling  
>>> institutions,
>>> a very large majority of "no" voters (64% according to CSA) want
>>> France to ask for a new European constitution to be written.
>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> -----
>>>
>>>
>>> Somebody once said: Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is
>>> suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
>>> Funny...not a word in those pools about the reason of  
>>> "dissatisfaction
>> with
>>> the
>>> current economic and social situation in France " (52%) - no question
>> about
>>> the immigrants in France, about 'polish-invaders', not a word about  
>>> the
>>> fact that the same insatisfied no majority voted proudly from the  
>>> same
>> reason
>>> for LePen ("dissatisfaction with the current economic and social  
>>> situation
>> in
>>> France ") 3 yrs ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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