[syndicate] Re: ko (fwd)

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Le mercredi, 24 mar 2004, à 13:46 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a écrit :

> Oh, it's all just poetry, innit ?

yes,
i see something like stylistic hairdressing

> sometimes I read it, sometimes not
> doesn't the syndicate homepage indicate how to use filters ?
> and why does it so ? it's a mistake to forget history
> in our case it would be a terrible mistake

my point of view too.

Netty, you like to be a scandealeous star do you ?

>
> also, during my panel talk at the sorbonne conference I was making 
> this point
> which is that nearly everything on the internet is ineffectual
> (except for what is tautologically internet related)
>
> I see no violence here
> just words

you know words can be violence too.
but... well, this is also a matter of words.

clement

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> f.
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> Selon anna balint <epistolaris at freemail.hu>:
>> I think it is more than self-immolation of nn or DG.
>> I beleive not just that violence is inherent to nn's language,
>> but these lines are simply instigating.
>>
>>> no he does not. he is not a human being. he is a MOTHER FUCKER.
>>> Appeasing MOTHER FUCKERS is not an act of friendliness.
>>> Liquidating them is an act of friendliness so, please continue.
>>
>> Since i have learnt conflict resolution, i know too well
>> the techniques of  making conflicts. First dehumanize the
>> counter/part, the other, and than liquidate them.
>> And all this happens in a context where many people experience how 
>> short
>> the distance is between hate words and violent acts.
>>
>> For all i know syndicate was among the few lists
>> that was always open not just for announcements,
>> criticism, but also for art productions.
>> But this time any further coexistence with nn became impossible
>> for me.
>>
>> I don't know what the other members think, or if there is anybody
>> who would like to continue the list's moderation in my place,
>> but if there is no administrative measure i can take against hate
>> speech, i am going to quit the list.
>>
>> greetings,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>> Appeasing MOTHER FUCKERS is not an act of friendliness.
>> Liquidating them is an act of friendliness so, please continue.
>> 3/24/2004 12:17:18 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com> wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:16:50 -0500 (EST)
>>> From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
>>> To: Poetics <POETICS at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>
>>> Subject: ko
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> somebody ko/ing ginsberg, nn's occidental motherfuckers
>>>
>>> i've wanted to write and quite unsure how to begin
>>> none of us are safe from attack innuendo
>>> there is no persepctive but the present which is always ripped apart
>>>
>>> ginsberg's howl freed me then and frees me now
>>> he was an outspoken jew among others and other things
>>> he read with the force of the rav derrida deconstructing abomb 
>>> america
>>> i read him first at 13 then on and off forever
>>>
>>> but the point of the hatred here after the fact and the era
>>> coupled with anne's publicity blurb when something else was needed
>>>
>>> and over there on syndicate nn seems self-immolating
>>> whether she's a corporate entity on the run
>>> or someone going through a hard political time
>>> violence inheres to her, she drags the slaughter with her
>>>
>>> and it seems to me that the thugs in power have already won
>>> rumsfeld and hamas and israel all tearing everything limb from limb
>>> spam's brought 29% already using email less and less
>>> who wants to read the violence of viagra the violence of fraud
>>>
>>> bush and blair thug-script leaks into what was once communality
>>> and when i heard allen read it was that, community around him
>>> the gathering and the chanting which actually worked and overcame
>>> if just for a moment
>>>
>>> and nn had her sense of human but now drags skulls
>>> like i said, like i said
>>> my own words and works try to burst their bounds, there's more hatred
>>>
>>> there are mother-fuckers everywhere, why not deconstruct those words
>>>
>>> for myself, i have to admit indiscretions in the past
>>> psychological violence to other people, self-destruction, whimpering
>>> inability to see people for who or what they really are
>>> i'm more guilty than ginsberg, my soul is ash at best
>>>
>>> eleven years or so after auschwitz and he's penning howl
>>> against a smug america which today runs our country to the ground
>>>
>>> if we can't learn to listen, we won't die trying, we'll just die
>>>
>>> god or someone else help us, or someone else
>>>
>>>
>>> _
>>>
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