[syndicate] Re: Re: too much deviance...

Tue Jun 10 19:57:55 CEST 2003

En réponse à Lachlan Brown <lachlan at london.com>:

bien, mais il faut bien choisir ses amis, où qu'on soit.
ça aussi, tout le monde est au courant.

kisses
astrëe

> 
> 
> > too much deviance ?
> > too much alliance.
> > 
> > TH
> 
> Je dois être d'accord avec mon ami français.
> 
> On l'identifie universellement que les Français 
> ont la meilleure compréhension des 'normes' et 
> de la 'déviance'.  Il y a certainement l'espace 
> dans L'Metaversite pour un cours d'initiation 
> de base. 
> 
> Européens de l'est confondent souvent la 
> déviance avec la cruauté. C'est une erreur 
> à corriger. 
> 
> Anna, et amis du Syndicate, vous êtes au 
> courant de la littérature...?
> 
> Lachlan
> 
> > 
> > >
> > > 2003.06.07. 17:29:10, <hub at x-arn.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > >hello,
> > > >
> > > >is it a french mailing-list ?
> > > >
> > > >> Mon Français s'améliorera.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >best,
> > > >HUB/ARN
> > > >
> > >
> > > Dear Subscriber,
> > >
> > > Syndicate is a list mainly English, but postings
> > > in other European languages are also possible,
> > > not just French, German, but all the other languages,
> > > even if we are able sometimes to abstract only
> > > a small part of the information.
> > > We also like code-language, ASCII-art, those many mails
> > > that explore scripts, software-like commands,
> > > or develop an individual language.
> > >
> > >
> > > In the last two years the list suceeded to regulate itself
> > > without moderation. Despite so much chaos, we are all very
> > > much against moderation!
> > > We also gave up attempts to regulate NN since longtime...
> > > not that for instance me, i would agree with anything she
> > > writes, but i got convinced that it would be useless.
> > >
> > >
> > > However, in order to try to balance the noise-content proportion
> > > maybe it is not useless to remind about the list's goal,
> > > that should be reflected to a *certain degree* in the list's
> > > information policy as well.
> > >
> > > - Syndicate is meant to circulate announcements related
> > > to new media art, new media culture, but we also expect
> > > any information from parts of Europe where media arts are
> > > still a marginal, emerging art form
> > > - the list is meant to spread media criticism. We keep in
> > > mind that specially in East Europe, where much of the
> > > audience resides, commercial culture, and also wild
> > > media capitalism gains much faster ground than media criticism
> > > and visual culture. It is not widely known perhaps,
> > > that all alternative information is very valuable in East European
> > > countries, for instance in Russia, where journalists get
> > > killed for political reasons in presently as well.
> > > - because syndicate is a non-mainstream, alternative channel
> > > of information, also reflections, reports about social or
> > > political situation are also welcome on the list,
> > > specially in these times, where the most alarming informations
> > > come from the United States, and not only. East Europeans are
> > > the people who know exactly what a totalitarian country means,
> > > and they could share their experiences and sensitivity about
> > > total control, just as Ivo Skoric does when he crosspossts
> > > to syndicate his mails sent to Thomas Keenan, one of the most
> > > appreciated media experts involved in the Balkan war
> > > as well. But also ironic political comments based on the critical
> > > methods of the alternative culture, such as Marc Garret's texts
> > > are welcome.
> > > - syndicate is meant to circulate and spread net art, or whatever
> > > is left of that once avant-garde art form, that explores and
> experiences
> > > with the internet as a medium, here including also spam art,
> errors,
> > > wrong interfaces as well (these simulations of the bad quality for
> > > instance look so funny in East Europe where people bear the
> invasion
> > > of *real* bad quality)
> > > - we encourage any critical reflection about net art and new media
> > > art in general, here including reports about events, festivals,
> > > or analyses about individual artists, works or a just a phenomena
> > > of the net
> > > - since the whole history of net art till present flourished
> > > and  still goes on practically without serious attempts to connect
> > > net art to the other art forms, these kind of analyses are more
> > > than welcome also
> > >
> > > for futher information look up the list info file, at
> > > http://anart.no/sympa/arc/syndicate
> > >
> > > But the list is not about 'my-life-as-a-series-of-opening',
> > > my social or sexual life, documented in press-cuts, specially
> > > if it is not a terribly interesting opening, and it is not
> > > about one line replies, private comments that could be sent
> > > off-list, nor about 'i have the idea to write about my neighbour'.
> > > The list does not stand for the epigons of Netochka Nezvanova,
> > > or those of Frederic Madre, who unfortunately do not all excell
> > > in the content-level of their postings.
> > >
> > > When coming up with redundant, trashy or self-centered
> information,
> > > or you just pursue someone with your anger or your admiration,
> > > consider please also the price of connectivity and download
> > > of the mails, that can be very high in East Europe.
> > > Give a thought also to the fact that i am willing
> > > to keep the syndicate archives safe, so that your grand-children
> > > might also have the chance to see for instance the way you took
> > > a picture about a drunk girl and made the picture available on
> > > the net.
> > >
> > > It worths maybe to appriciate also that so much noise could make
> > > ultimately impossible meaningful exchange and interaction. Think
> > > also to the subscribers who don't have the option of a moderated
> > > version of the list, neither we can offer presently a software
> > > that would insulate these mails, and would keep these mails
> visible
> > > at the same time for the sake of the complete information.
> > >
> > > If you need terribly to post your diary or real-time memoires
> > > on the syndicate list, please at least consider compressing your
> > > daily data in one mail, or better send a one month's dose in
> > > one mail, or put it on the web, and send the link once in a while.
> > > In some cases once in a year would be also be enough.
> > > I don't mean this *once in a months* for the net.poetry,
> > > specially if it comes together with a critical presentation.
> > > For the delicate delimitation of net art and non-art, we are lucky
> > > enough to have here one of the best net critics on the scene...
> > > Frederic, I trust you.
> > > Once we agreed also that mails reflecting one's emotional life,
> > > are marked in the subject with [ot], we could introduce this
> > > distinction again.
> > >
> > > It is very rare that we get any feedback about the list itself,
> > > we do not receive not even objections. It would be useful
> sometimes
> > > that you, Subsriber, voice your opinion. Floods of superfluous
> > > informations occur also when passivity dominates. Say, if you
> > > disagree with me, or just if you have any suggestion about
> > > administration.
> > > If the quality of the list, the discussion goes under a decent
> level
> > > I might also think - on the 'we are equal' basis - about a
> 'temporary
> > > moderation' art project, just as some of you think that 'many
> mail'
> > > is art.
> > >
> > > greetings,
> > > Anna Balint
> > >
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> Lachlan Brown
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