[syndicate] Baudrillard on riots, on EU referendum, etc.

[Alan Sondheim]

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, ctgr-pavu.com wrote:

> "last post for today"
> did you say 3 posts ago.
>
> do what you say,
> at least ONCE in your life,
> and we may BELIEVE what you say,
> at least ONCE.
>
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>
> Le 20 nov. 05, à 14:58, Aliette Guibert a écrit :
>
>> Dear Saint Paul
>> 
>> Could'nt you imagine anymore than your fascination of intolerance and war 
>> of
>> the truth under the words of your former activist references instead of 
>> your
>> real vision and perception of your actual environment? Wouldn't it be a 
>> form
>> of negationism to deny the actual through former credo in an eternal
>> repetition of the past.
>> 
>> Why do you think that International Situationism they would have stop
>> existing as several common by a common decision from their own agreement, 
>> to
>> dissolve -or a pragmatical political problem facing the events and the
>> virtual capital growing up through the general equivalence - money?
>> 
>> Nowadays we are still into but yet out and far away La société du spectacle
>> as predictable society and revolution and more of the future. We are in a
>> global conter-revolution obviously - open your eyes.
>> 
>> The means are not still global but singular - united several thoughts,
>> several singular situations and concepts : not one.
>> 
>> Which is exactly why I found relevant A hacker manifesto. Not a credo in 
>> the
>> name of the truth. Much more little than the high Société du spectacle. A
>> text omanog others and calling for others from everywhere.
>> 
>> But a hack as a long kaleidoscopic lyrics of another arangments. Of another
>> way to emerge in the acts.
>> 
>> Debord was same time overpassed by his past vision of the revolution -
>> overpassed by his own theory what is exactly he did not control of his own
>> thought - and in advance regarding the changing word at the horizon of the
>> spectacle of commodity; but we are not still in the material commodity, we
>> are in the virtual commodity (being richest without material ownership - 
>> see
>> google); yet now what is toward the spectacle -spectacle which is not
>> necessary right now to this sort of dominion ; what it is necessary it is
>> only the GAME and specially the game of self detruction and the gameof the
>> other destruction being the war - addicting by the spectacle but being so
>> much more addicting in the head -without analogon. Same time Debord could
>> not imagine how the culture of the truth would desappear at the horizon of
>> the end of the system of the production - inside which his thought of a
>> global revolution facing the spectacle it is contained - dépérissement de
>> l'Etat in USSR and the result they are to close the question of the
>> proletarian dictatorship.
>> 
>> When Nations they were singularly in respective antagonist: workers have to
>> be united globally. In the global trans-national world we have to desunite
>> global antagonist organization in singular solidar contructive
>> organizations. Remember the way Gandi was successful in India against
>> English that was predictable of another solution. Since more of a century
>> Indian from any community they were resisting in weapon front of English 
>> and
>> they were unusefully reprimed by English. And suddendly it was a massive
>> resistance without weapons (but hard) which got successfull over English.
>> The way was not that one of URSS borning nor the way of La longue marche. 
>> So
>> right now we have to innove another conception of struggle in marge of the
>> work ( a lot have no work right now or work which is not exactly at the
>> source of the largest surplus - being now financial - momey making money in
>> the set of the financial game of the holdings)
>> 
>> Which common interest of revolutionary activists and people from everywhere
>> could have in progress with the real economy of nowadays? Where is the
>> common progress please and to which utopia -or the conterprogress of Le
>> meilleur des mondes de Huxley or a dictatorship from a horde over another
>> hord: nothing - but a dictatorship at all and to any war?
>> 
>> I am afraid that Baudrillard, practicing dialectic in the respective 
>> entropy
>> of each part to its other, unfortunatly he could be in the adapted logical
>> thought front of the reality he describes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:25 PM
>> Subject: RE: [syndicate] Baudrillard on riots, on EU referendum, etc.
>> 
>> 
>>> 115.
>>> 
>>> The new signs of negation multiplying in the economically developed
>>> countries, signs which are misunderstood and falsified by spectacular
>>> arrangement, already enable us to draw the conclusion that a new epoch has
>>> begun: now, after the workers' first attempt at subversion,it is
>> capitalist
>>> abundance which has failed. When anti-union struggles of Western workers
>> are
>>> repressed first of all by unions, and when the first amorphous protests
>>> launched by rebellious currents of youth directly imply the rejection of
>> the
>>> old specialized politics, of art and of daily life, we see two sides of a
>>> new spontaneous struggle which begins under a criminal guise. These are
>> the
>>> portents of a second proletarian assault against class society. When the
>>> last children of this still immobile army reappear on this battleground
>>> which was altered and yet remains the same, they follow a new "General
>> Ludd"
>>> who, this time, urges them to destroy the machines of permitted
>> consumption.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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