Tanks on the Streets of Los Angeles

Fri Nov 12 05:22:13 CET 2004

Where was he from? Kansas? Check this out - in Los Angeles military
rolled out their first Tien An Men maneuvres:
http://indymedia.us/en/2004/11/2183.shtml
ivo

On 11 Nov 2004 at 14:01, Miroslav Visic wrote:

Last week I was at my firm's "disaster recovery facility" in New
Jersey. I tried to make a conversation with a guard on duty -- who
recently left the US Marines Corps. I asked him about the
brainwashing in military and if he ever would go to kill his own
people, or bomb Pennsylvania for e.g. He went silent for good two
minutes and finally said: "Yes, I would bomb Pennsylvania..." He
became very excited about the idea...

Ivo Skoric wrote:

>I have a picture of mohawked Croatian "marine" with his AK on
>http://balkansnet.org/rock.html
>Only in Croatia the regime could at least say that they are defending
> themselves - because the war was fought on Croatian territory. Bush
>however fights his "defensive" war on foreign territory, consistent
>with the new US military doctrine which sees Middle East Oil as a
>legitimate US possession... ivo
>
>On 11 Nov 2004 at 7:30, garthc at ozemail.com.au wrote:
>
>This sort of stuff really frightens me.  As I said I saw a shaven
>headed Marine on TY saying, with apparent conviction, "The devil is
>in Falujah and we are going to get him".  These people are not
>fighting for anything that I (and I suspect many Americans) believe
>in but we are all tarred with the same brush as them because they are
>seen by the world as doing so. And to make things worse, we are not
>supposed to publicly denounce them as that will be letting them down.
>
>Garth Cartledge
>
>
>>From: Ivo Skoric <ivo at REPORTERS.NET>
>>Date: 11/11/2004 2:59:57
>>To: JUSTWATCH-L at LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU
>>Subject: [JUSTWATCH] Holy War in Fallujah
>>
>>Fiercely Evangelical Marines
>>
>>During the wars of Yugoslav succession, a lot of people in the
>>formerly atheist society turned to religion and found solace in God.
>>This was particularly true for the young who fought in the wars. The
>>pattern was identical in Serbia, Croatia, and Bosnia. Only the
>>clergy was different (orthodox christian, catholic christian, and
>>muslim). In 1991, with the arms embargo blocking of importation of
>>weapons, Croatian ill-conceived "special forces," that were supposed
>>to fend of Yugoslav Army with 4 bullets per man, did not have much
>>to rely on except their faith. Often mixing rock music - their
>>generational identity, and also their western cultural distinction
>>from the alleged backwardness of the Yugoslav East - with the
>>"fierce catholicism" (term used by the New York Times). The same
>>permeates US forces in Iraq today. Rites of passage described below
>>may help individual soldiers morale, but they also do describe the
>>present attack on Fallujah as a crusade against the infidel. As with
>>the Balkan wars, one has to ask the question, what then is the real
>>difference between the two sides?
>>
>>ivo
>>
>>Published on Sunday, November 7, 2004 by Agence France Presse
>>Holy War: Evangelical Marines Prepare to Battle Barbarians
>>
>>NEAR FALLUJAH - With US forces massing outside Fallujah, 35 marines
>>swayed to Christian rock music and asked Jesus Christ to protect
>>them in what could be the biggest battle since American troops
>>invaded Iraq last year.
>>
>>US Marines of the 1st Division dressed as gladiators stage a chariot
>>race reminiscent of the Charlton Heston movie-complete with
>>confiscated Iraqi horses at their base outside Fallujah, Iraq,
>>Saturday, Nov. 6 , 2004. For U.S. Marines tapped to lead an expected
>>attack on insurgent-held Fallujah, the bags have been packed, trucks
>>have been loaded and final letters have been sent, leaving one final
>>task - the 'Ben-Hur.' (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)
>>
>>The marines drew parallels from the verse with their present
>>situation, where they perceive themselves as warriors fighting
>>barbaric men opposed to all that is good in the world.
>>
>>Men with buzzcuts and clad in their camouflage waved their hands in
>>the air, M-16 assault rifles beside them, and chanted heavy
>>metal-flavoured lyrics in praise of Christ late on Friday in a
>>yellow-brick chapel.
>>
>>They counted among thousands of troops surrounding the city of
>>Fallujah, seeking solace as they awaited Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad
>>Allawi's decision on whether or not to invade Fallujah.
>>
>>"You are the sovereign. You're name is holy. You are the pure
>>spotless lamb," a female voice cried out on the loudspeakers as the
>>marines clapped their hands and closed their eyes, reflecting on
>>what lay ahead for them.
>>
>>The US military, with many soldiers coming from the conservative
>>American south and midwest, has deep Christian roots.
>>
>>Comforting
>>
>>In times that fighting looms, many soldiers draw on their
>>evangelical or born-again heritage to help them face the battle.
>>
>>"It's always comforting. Church attendance is always up before the
>>big push," said first sergeant Miles Thatford.
>>
>>"Sometimes, all you've got is God."
>>
>>Between the service's electric guitar religious tunes, marines
>>stepped up on the chapel's small stage and recited a verse of
>>scripture, meant to fortify them for war.
>>
>>One spoke of their Old Testament hero, a shepherd who would become
>>Israel's king, battling the Philistines 3 000 years ago.
>>
>>"Thus David prevailed over the Philistines," the marine said,
>>reading from scripture, and the marines shouted back "Hoorah, King
>>David," using their signature grunt of approval.
>>
>>The marines drew parallels from the verse with their present
>>situation, where they perceive themselves as warriors fighting
>>barbaric men opposed to all that is good in the world.
>>
>>"Victory belongs to the Lord," another young marine read.
>>
>>Their chaplain, named Horne, told the worshippers they were
>>stationed outside Fallujah to bring the Iraqis "freedom from
>>oppression, rape, torture and murder ... We ask you God to bless us
>>in that effort."
>>
>>Holy oil
>>
>>The marines then lined up and their chaplain blessed them with holy
>>oil to protect them.
>>
>>"God's people would be anointed with oil," the chaplain said, as he
>>lightly dabbed oil on the marines' foreheads.
>>
>>The crowd then followed him outside their small auditorium for a
>>baptism of about a half-dozen marines who had just found Christ.
>>
>>The young men lined up and at least three of them stripped down to
>>their shorts.
>>
>>The three laid down in a rubber dinghy filled with water and the
>>chaplain's assistant, navy corpsman Richard Vaughn, plunged their
>>heads beneath the surface.
>>
>>Smiling, Vaughn baptised them "in the name of the Father, the Son
>>and the Holy Spirit."
>>
>>Dripping wet, corporal Keith Arguelles beamed after his baptism.
>>
>>"I just wanted to make sure I did this before I headed into the
>>fight," he said on the military base not far from the city of
>>Fallujah.
>>
>>© Copyright 2004 AFP
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>Ivo Skoric
>>19 Baxter Street
>>Rutland VT 05701
>>802.775.7257
>>ivo at balkansnet.org
>>balkansnet.org
>>
>>
>>
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