[syndicate] Two portraits of G. Soros

human being human at electronetwork.org
Tue Jun 10 04:49:10 CEST 2003


  this explains quite a bit. have been befuddled by
  George Soros recent vitriolic statement regarding
  US monetary policy (strong dollar) because, as an
  impartial (one would assume) currency speculator,
  he would be making a lot of money knowing the
  advanced playout of the moves, yet was publicly
  remanding the US monetary policy.

  also, from the USA, growing up here in the 1970s
  there was still some (tangible) fear of the USSR,
  and on television were always photos of breadlines
  and other symbols of the 'iron curtain' societies. it
  was always assumed from my naive view that they
  fell from within, for the most part, to adapt to change,
  even if prodded and shaped to do so, in retrospect.
  yet, it makes me wonder if living in a post-totalitarian
  society is different or worse, or if some things are of
  a better way, but then chronic problems brought with
  the changes, inside and outside, begin facing each-
  other. else, it is wondered without capital if these same
  societies would have also transformed and be online,
  say, or be outside. this is not an opinion, though it is
  wondered as it seems defending the past (anywhere)
  as better or something superior (in a totalitarian system
  say, with lots of pre-existing corruption, of a different
  kind) would be without integration with global states.

  also, in the USA it seems there is also a goal of not-
  thinking, or keeping people in a state of not-having-
  to-think, just be, just live, just consume to produce,
  etc. in a way, it is wondered if, in another state that
  has been manipulated so openly (but covertly) say,
  has something in common with the more closed,
  and overt redefining of another country like Iraq by
  an easy to pinpoint US force, which itself may not
  represent the populace but one of many structures,
  at which level there is no general agreement about
  what to do, solutions, it seems (if the UN is example).

  makes it wondered if some/many countries feel some-
  thing in common with Iraq in a way, in some way. would
  never have considered this, but makes it seem that there
  are parallels. odd thing is, there are probably more people
  in those countries who might be able to critique this than
  in the USA, the way things are, you'll never work again
  if you actually critique the system. it will punish people.

  also, when in SF shortly interacted with the SeaChange
  Soros initiative, sounded 'good' in that it had ideas and
  sounded interesting (working for social, public goals),
  yet it was very hollow upon inspection, and critique of
  this institution has brought many comments since, as
  something one should really not be doing. in any case,
  it is of note when that project seemed to disappear for
  a bit, and then the meme shows up in Beck's album,
  not a musician i listen to, but it made me wonder, hey,
  wonder if such a thing could become a 'hit' and then
  'exported' as a subliminal brand for that same idea,
  as one way to move ideology is through music nets.

  this last paragraph may be meaningless, but it is
  included just because it is present here but in a
  different way, maybe this is where the producers
  work on this system, it does not seem all bad either,
  in that it is one of the few organizations proposing
  a value for the social aspect of experience, and it
  does not seem based on being monolithic. would
  it be preferable to never have the changes of the
  last 2 decades in eastern europe, without global
  capital, and with a wall up around the USSR, it
  makes it seem that is part of the logic. and does
  it have a total negative force, or is it who/how the
  local is controlled and by who, like a puppet theatre.
  it would seem that in Russia, if reports are accurate,
  there is some rollback to earlier policies, is this to
  be celebrated if it is to make Russia independent
  from its selling off of society by outsiders, and to
  keep its earlier system (know little about this, and
  issue of oligarchs and the state control, but assume
  it still exists, whether public or private, global/local).

  is there any chance, and I have no affiliation with
  Soros (as far as a know, though he may have a
  US citizenship) -- that if Soros lives both East EU
  and in the US, that that trip is a type of bridge on
  which people can travel back and forth, inter-
  culturally, even if it has some very negative aspects
  but that along with those changes, there are likely
  millions more from Eastern Europe who are also
  bringing these cultures and ideas to the US (one
  of my admired teachers emigrated from Poland)
  and families in my gradeschool (and friends) were
  from Poland, say, during the same events talked
  about, and other places over time. makes it also
  wondered if the US may be closer to Eastern
  Europe than Western Europe in terms of cultural
  integration, as there are 'Russian areas' in town,
  just like Italian, Irish, Swedish, used to be earlier
  as whole communities, having emigrated. is the
  East also relevant in the U.S.? to me it is, that is
  why it interests, it is working with people and to
  hear about massacres in Albania in the 1980s,
  from relatives, and such.

  plus, it is speculated if there may be a 'cold-war'
  aspect of 'integration' between the US & Russia,
  etc, in that now there are Russian rock bands,
  museums, here, fashions (most beautiful) and
  something that brings this 'eastness' of the west
  and the 'westness' of the east in relation (that is
  a naive guess, but an attempt to describe what
  fascinates, that is hard to accept as all bad, tho
  maybe it is worse than better in ways, maybe it
  might be better than worse for only a few, it sucks
  for most, here and there, it would be guessed, as
  the system is severely dysfunctional, and cannot
  grow out of its dysfunction, only pull more fuel
  into the fire, to try to keep it burning a bit longer.





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