[syndicate]

Wed Jun 4 01:50:02 CEST 2003

En réponse à integer at www.god-emil.dk:

yes,
dear anna, 
bravo &
encore bravo !

just example:
the afraid / 1027 steps distance matter :
booh, you always can talk, *discuter*,
(and syndicate is là pour ça :)
&, the way getting definitely angry with someone
who likes alfa romeo ? : ah, le bon goût se perd !

&, the fact of mails sometimes being tiring,
upsetting, numerous, innumerous, or what,
- hey, check real life, it's often alike, -
mails can be deleted (? no !! ? how do you do that ?),
well, thinking it over, sometimes also,
better a tiring deep mail than a nice dull one ?

check also the name : *mailing* list ... eh !

&, après tout, if existing a place where
one may "se crêper le chignon" one another
as well as *think* & exchange,
& actually be free, (car viva copyleft),
not bad, huh ?
& fuck any instinct de puissance et de domination ?

(je n'aurais pas pu écrire tout ça 
but with precious help & advice of my 
collègue bituur esztreym,
filolog finno-magyar 
& expert en propagande perplexe ! )

kisses
astrëe

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> From: anna balint <abalint at merz.hu>
> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:26:18 +0200
> Subject: after the 'end' of syndicate, long live syndicate
> 
> Dear Andreas Broeckmann,
> 
> thank you to call attention on syndicate, it is a list where 
> hundreds of net art projects, invitation of participation 
> were announced, projects were documented, where interaction
> of audience-initator, individual-collective 
> can take place unmediated, and without control, 
> and specially without the control of a mediator hostile 
> to certain identities or attitudes, or a certain kind of art.
> It is the list where report, comments, theory, 
> carnival culture, irony, announcements, just a note that 
> 'i am here, i am doing this' is equally allowed and welcome. 
> There are very many moments of a live list
> not dedicated to announcements only, that it is a pleasure
> to remember, just to name a few: the Balettikka internettika
> project of Igor Stromajer, the mailing list junk texts'
> setting to music by Clement Thomas, the ever changing and
> allways challenging site plein-peau site of Frederic Madre,
> the 1001 mails in one night by Jodi, all the projects
> of Auriea Harvey - one of the most precious artistic presence
> on the net -, the ZNC browser, the white spam project, or the
> song recognition competion of Peter Luining, or the excellent
> work of meta, another net artist previsouly known from nettime,
> and many more. 
> I could even mention as a certain _fun_ the 'Notes on Sovereign Media'
> 
> by Geert Lovink pointing to independent media not submitted to
> the expectations of an audience, published on syndicate in 2002.  
> And yes. Netochka Nezvanova is also on syndicate.
> Once, when NN claimed that 'Peter Luining is afraid', 
> Peter replied with 'Yes. But who would be not afraid
> knowing that NN is only at 1027 steps distance from home?'
> Paraphrasing Peters word, who would be not afraid to subscribe
> to syndicate where Netochka is also present? Well, we are quite many.
> 
> Besides fun, syndicate also tries cover major events in new media
> art in Europe, encourages research in this field, and not just
> research
> and curation, but the production of media art,and experiences related
> to a mailing list. Besides circulating the initiatives of institutions,
> 
> it is meant to give room to individuals and small collectives related to
>  
> new media as well.
> 
> 
> >ps: for the record: the referenced list is _not_ the former Syndicate
> >list which the 'western korporat fascists' inke arns and myself ran,
> >but one that was started when the old list was brought down by free
> >minds like anna in 2001.
> 
> >(it is _very funny_ for me that anna still believes that netochka
> >nezvanova is an east european artist - long live the cyborg!)
> 
> Something about this record...
> 
> Initally, neither me, neither any moderator or animator
> of the syndicate list wanted to engage in any cross-lists war, or
> fight,
> not even when you and Inke Arns stated the 'end of the syndicate list'
> and you described the curator-artist relationship with the analogy of
> a
> blessing hand - biting the hand by the artist, which i found quite
> disturbing.
> But neither i like to stand your accusation of killing the syndicate
> list,
> and bring it this way again to public attention. 
> Neither me, nor NN deserves to be a scape-goat, a pharmakon, a medicine
> 
> (scape-goat in old Greek) for the decline of the list and the way you
> have 
> left it down.
> Fact is the the syndicate list lost a consistent amount of its
> relevance
> together with the change of the policy of the Soros network. Less
> support,
> less money, less interest went together hand in hand. 
> Syndicate was a mailing list that discussed art, new media art, cultural
> identities, 
> and policy, East and West artistic contacts after the fall of the
> Berlin
> Wall. Started as the 'East' initiative of the V2 in the Netherlands - a
> concept that got
> contested immedietaly by the ironical proposal of Ljudmila 'West' in
> Slovenia - and
> based on the hope to skip the central control of information by 
> post-communist conservative institutions and old fashioned curators, 
> syndicate became a channel of exchange, and a series of projects
> supported 
> financially mainly by Eastern institutions. The list  circulated not
> only 
> the pioneering net.art works, but described and promoted cultural 
> initatives in Eastern Europe, views of nem media, it and it also became
> a 
> communication bridge between even between people at many sides of the
> Yugoslav war. 
> It strongly relied on the alternative scene in East Europe, on the Next
> Five Minutes
> conference series, and the irregular meetings at different major new
> media
> art events. Technology seemed to serve both Eastern and Western
> new media criticism and art, and the mailing list became also a 
> tool of promotion  of social initiatives as well besides arts.
> 
> I don't plan in any sense to get involved in the NN-Andreas Broeckmann
> conflict,
> started when Netochka Nezvanova won the first prize in the software art
> category
> at transmediale 01, and I don't feel motivated in any way to oppose
> opinions
> like Karoly Toth's.
> 
> Nor i am willing to defend somewhat NN, nor to specially engage
> in discussion on NN. I agreed with NN that i don't write about her, nor
> we
> collaborate in any sense, though s/he is definitively an interesting
> subject,
> and author.
> I just insist that - opposite to Tilman Baumgärtel's opinion - one might
> see 
> NN not just as he convergence in one online identity of different people
> as 
> a reverse project, preceded by the postmodern game of the splitting of
> one 
> person into diverse online identities. On the contrary,  
> NN is much more the mediatised version of multiple identities, 
> a phenomena of the avant-garde art known world-wide long before any 
> online use of it.
> Syndicate, and nettime also seemed to support previously these kind
> of multiple identites, and partially these lists also grounded their 
> reputation and establishment exactly on multiple names projects 
> going all back more exactly to 1976, to the first meeting of David 
> Zack and Monty Canstin in Budapest.
> 
> Besides that NN appeared on numerous mailinglist with French, English,
> German text fragments (languages that almost all East European know), 
> even if s/he is not alone, or s/he is a constructed identity,
> s/he says that s/he is Romanian. S/he speaks Romanian also (a language
> that West Europeans rarely speak),  s/he continuously brings up
> Romanian, 
> and 'Ost Europa' cultural references, and explores East European 
> identities and attitudes all the time. If s/he is a multiple identity,
> 
> s/he is an East European one, that is something that certainly should
> get 
> room on a mailing list dedicated to East-West artistic relationships, 
> no matter how controversial her projects are.
> NN is not only known for the Nato software (a software that for instance
> 
> i don't even know), but for codeworks, for his/her inquiry about public
> 
> and private mails, understanding of gender, identity, list culture, 
> language and corporate actions in the field of new media, ASCII art, 
> and more. S/he is not quiet at all, and many lists, specially those 
> are related to new media art, prefer to coop with her, and i don't
> know
> about any case where she was unsubsribed from a list without warning
> the community. 
> 
> 
> Together with appearing of new groups, new projects, new issues and new
> forms 
> on the internet, syndicate gradually lost importance 
> and relevance already in 2000. (NN said that the list was suffocated by
> 
> the art maffia). What happened in terms of facts in 2001, was that
> the moderators have suddenly unsubscribed NN from syndicate, and when 
> list member asked where N.N. was, the moderators admitted the
> unsubscription. 
> After further questions, they resubscribed NN, and without any attempt
> 
> to regulate the list, by means of administration, moderation, mediation,
> discussion 
> or whatever, they left the list. One day there were moderators, the next
> one there 
> were no longer moderators. They handed the list over to people willing
> to continue 
> it. Or that was the appearance. 
> 
> The people willing to continue an unmoderated version of syndicate,
> never got the password to the listserv, and any use of the list's 
> infrastructure was denied. Andreas Broackmann asked finally to restart
> 
> everything on a new server, instead of using the old ones.
> So it happened. Syndicate is now generously supported by Anart in
> Norway,
> and running under the sympa software.
> 
> Without wishing the same faith for nettime, to give an analogý:
> if one would take the 'difficult task, time and energy' 
> and would open a nettime bold, as it seems to be encouraged, 
> first the access to the mails and server would be denied, 
> the moderators would disappear, and the next month there 
> would be a good chance that Andreas Broeckmann 
> would accuse nettime bolders with 'you killed nettime'. 
> 
> 
> Andreas Broeckmann opened a new, moderated list, and out of the 504
> subsribers
> on the syndicate, 132 left for the new list together with Andreas, and
> 372 stayed. 
> In the light of these figures, there is no ground to question the
> continuity of the
> syndicate list. Ever since than, syndicate stays unmoderated on the 
> consensus of self-moderation and filtering individually on the part of
> the
> subsribers, as proposed by Amy Alexander in August 2001.
> The list is interesting enough for 400 subsribers, and i have to state
> 
> that the information overload did not break the group's cohesion
> either.
> We still hope at least peaceful coexistence with other lists, and
> without
> counter propaganda on the expense of syndicate.
> 
> One of the most sharp discussions between me and Andreas Broeckmann was
> 
> about the syndicate archives. Knowing that every year 70% of the
> information 
> on the internet disappears, knowing that if some information survived 
> thousands years, that was due to the multiplicity of information supply,
> 
> and to due to the fact that accessing large audience was possible by
> writing, 
> printing the data in as many copies as possible, and seeing that
> nowadays 
> everyone has access to information put on a single server, seeing also
> for instance that the archives of the Next Five Minutes, or the
> disapperenace of the Orange Open Audio Archives was erased, i wanted to
> ensure 
> the preservation of the syndicate archives, and not just only on server
> in
> West Europe.
> 
> Since syndicate was part of the East European collective memory, 
> documenting projects, discussions between 1995-2001, 
> i argued for a distributive archives that all the 500 subribers 
> should have been provided with.
> Andreas Broeckamnn refused to deal completely with this question,
> and...
> somewhere in 2002 a considerable part of the syndicate archives - the 
> period between February 2001-August 2001 -, documenting exactly also 
> Netochka Nezvanova's mails and her questionning the authority of the 
> moderators -, vanished. It just disappered.
> 
> Looking from another perspective, Syndicate was not alone to promote and
> support
> East European art's in the entire European culture, but this issue there
> are still 
> task to accomplish, there are promotion tasks of critical new
> media culture as well, and this is something that Andreas Broeckmann
> might not have keep
> in account when he left syndicate.
> Manifesta was the first mainstream major art event that included East
> European 
> artist in an international event, but Manifesta concentrates and
> promotes young artists
> only. Thee research about major artistic works, alternative culture, new
> media art and 
> their preservation the former East European block, and its inclusion in
> the European 
> history of arts still continues to be a task.
> Documenta 11, if it was a great and challenging exhibition presenting 
> arts engagement with social issues world wide, and sporadically
> presented 
> excellent artists from East Europe as well, it failed to give a
> retrospective 
> view on the cold war from East European perspective, or to give a
> general
> view on the last ten years in East Europe, and to report on major 
> conflicts in that region, about the war in Chechnia, or still existing
> communist 
> regimes in the former Soviet Union for instance.
> 
> 
> There were objections about this issue also pronounced on syndicate, 
> check it out, really, 
> at www.anart.no/~syndicate
> 
> 
> greetings,
> Anna Balint
> 
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> 2003.06.02. 9:21:53, Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck at transmediale.de>
> wrote:
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> >folks,
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> >it is worth checking out the list that anna balint and others 
> >maintain to get an idea of what kind of list she has in mind when 
> >putting forward her criticism to nettime:
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