[syndicate] Re: Subject: Re: From:

[Fr. M.]

At 14:09 07/02/2003 +0100, Florian Cramer wrote:
>Hi, Florian here, the main culprit of the "Unstable Digest".

Hi florian and all the others that added thoughts to that thread!

First it strikes me, again, how difficult it is to act both as critic and 
also producer as both Florian and I do as well as - I believe - ultimately 
everybody here. The immediate rapport that is established or simply made 
possibe by our telepresence, even if we sometimes decide not to make 
contact, amplifies older conflicts of the critic and the critiqued. as a 
critic it could sometimes feel like I'm merely fantasizing about my own 
practice; also because no one else does it as well or, rather, as I would 
which amounts to the same.

>The initial idea was to create a weekly digest of artistic posting that
>got rejected by Nettime moderators (including material by Sondheim, mez,
>and others that hardly made it from nettime-bold to nettime-l), as an
>alternative to a moderation fork.

oh, and that it is digested makes it acceptable to the moderated nettime ?
that they are no more individual mails or that they have been curated 
adding some kind of seriosity to the whole thing ?

>digests from single archived txt files, and now changed it so that the
>"To:" header gets included.

great, I think it definitely enhances it.

>announcer], perhaps the most important one being that it locks art that
>is meant to be disruptive in its original context into a ghetto. On the

is it meant to be disruptive ? sometimes perhaps, but in most cases not.

>other hand, I tend to like the way the digested postings create a new
>context/whole through their combination.
>
> > digests that make  their way to Nettime; it is a digest of posts that were
> > not  sent "To:" Nettime but elsewhere, a digest of posts that  would (I
> > suspect that policy over there has not changed a  lot) have been rejected
> > if sent directly, or cross-posted to,  the list.
>
>Exactly. Although you can't rule that this digest itself will get
>rejected by Nettime at some point.
>
> > decision which would encourage unthoughtful misuse of mailing lists as
> > springboard for abusive promotion instead of communities.
>
>Promotion of what/whom?
>
> > "To:" making it entirely his own. A dangerous decision because it indeed
> > validates the degrading practice of cross posting, a practice that many of
> > the specialists of the genre we are adressing here have adopted,
> > shamelessly trampling over the context that we are trying to build 
> here, by
> > assuming that all the oulets they use is ultimately the same: a certain
> > number of subscribers, an audience that adds up numerically.
>
>I see your point, but still like certain monomaniac cross-postings &
>find them "valid" (whatever that means) as artistic expression. Jodi's
>postings are fine examples, and they're the most socially/politically
>incorrect you can imagine.
>
>Plus, I think it is the right of every reader/spectator/critic to put
>art into arbitary contexts. Duchamp probably would not like the fact
>the Great Glass is in a museum in Philadelphia next to some second-rate
>painting, Guy Debord might not like that his writings have been put
>into the Pleiade edition etc.pp.  (There's no way artists can or should
>dictate the way their art is being perceived/contextualized except
>through totalitarian copyright regimes.)
>
>I am a person with a high appreciation of the "codework" of jodi, mez,
>Sondheim, Gustin, Meskens and others, so I see the unstable digest as a
>way to support this art, and not make it an exclusive and boring thing
>by occasionally including interesting spam mail, offbeat replies etc. as
>well. If you don't like to be put into this context - which, as with
>your reply to August Highland, would be a shame -, we can fix this.
>
>-F
>
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