[syndicate] Re: Mouchette website censored - public debate

[nikola tosic]

mr salvaggio

sending this email to mailing lists shows that u think im interested in ur 
fascist opinions

well im not

please do not post on syndicate and rhizome anymore

thank you





At 04:46 PM 10/24/02 -0400, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:

>Hi Anna, I have some massive issues with Mouchette's art. On top of 
>lacking any real insights, having horrible aesthetics and my problems with 
>Mouchettes rampant careerism, I also have issues with art that I feel 
>glamorizes self destruction, sexual abuse and death.
>
>You'd have thought people would have had enough of false presentations of 
>death and self destruction by now since it was so connected to the early 
>90's bubble of security, when western societies were desperate for an 
>opportunity to fetishize these things because it gave them a chance to 
>break up the monotony of comfort. For now, anyone that enjoys the tongue 
>in cheek sexualizations of 13 year old girls [for example, 
><http://www.mouchette.org/touch/plush.html>http://www.mouchette.org/touch/plush.html 
>] might simply read the news for their titillation, where Fundamentalist 
>regimes crank out Mouchette-like "art" such as court ordered gang rape on 
>a mass scale. I think this is the type of art that ought to be ignored. I 
>find very little evidence that Mouchette is exploring anything except for 
>the territory of sexualization in this piece, either, nor do I find any 
>explicit or implied condemnation of the practice. This is even more 
>interesting if the rumor that Mouchette is a 45 year old man are true. I'm 
>as sexually liberated as your next descendant of puritanical New 
>Englanders, so I don't think I am being close minded about this, but I 
>can't find any value in this work outside of the sexualization of 13 year 
>olds. [ 
><http://mouchette.org/music/index.html>http://mouchette.org/music/index.html 
>is another example, where Mouchette- allegedly a 13 year old girl, 
>remember- "whimpers" or "moans" depending on your interactions.] Since no 
>one seems repulsed by this art, I assume maybe I am just too stupid to 
>have picked up on something of value? If anyone can tell me why, I am open 
>to it. My assumption, however, is that people are simply too busy reading 
>resumes. I might write a more full blown "article" on how Mouchette is 
>simply soft-core child pornography, and I'd like to hear opposing viewpoints.
>
>Censorship I don't like either, but I have no reason to believe in this 
>claim, when it is coming from an "artist" who fakes his/her identity, 
>makes false accusations against other artists in public, etc. Why should I 
>believe it, when I know for a fact that it has lied about things in the 
>past for the sake of "rallying support" for its career? [the drivedrive "I 
>hate Mouchette" hoaxes, for example- which, ironically enough, was a cover 
>for her to try to trademark her own name, so that "detractors" (which were 
>generated by mouchette itself) could be stopped.] If you try to access it 
>now, it reloads automatically to the alleged cease and desist letter. It's 
>the only page that does that on the whole site besides the piece in 
>question. Why would that be?
>
>Cheers,
>-e.
>
>
>
>
>anna balint wrote:
>>
>>would censors care about her suicide?
>>there must be someting wrong with the suicide as well,
>>since mouchette is an artist in residence presently at
>>Franklin Furnace, NY.
>>
>>greetings,
>>ab
>>
>>
>>24.10.2002 21:32:29, Eryk Salvaggio 
>><mailto:eryk at maine.rr.com><eryk at maine.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Date:   Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:32:29 -0400
>>>
>>>  From:   Eryk Salvaggio <mailto:eryk at maine.rr.com><eryk at maine.rr.com>
>>>  To:     <mailto:epistolaris at freemail.hu>epistolaris at freemail.hu
>>>  Cc:     <mailto:syndicate at anart.no>syndicate at anart.no
>>>  Subject:Re: [syndicate] Mouchette website censored - public debate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Didn't she kill herself yet?
>>>
>>>  -e.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  anna balint wrote:
>>>
>>>    Mouchette's website censored by copyright
>>
>>
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