[thingist] Re: [syndicate] Fwd: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: RE: Re: Charity CD Project

Eryk Salvaggio eryk at maine.rr.com
Thu Nov 14 19:19:30 CET 2002 

Right, that was my question of open ftp access being "everyday life." Or 
in the project that Frederic sent, satellite positioning and GPS are 
everyday life I guess. It's just interesting, I don't usually think of 
that stuff that way, it doesn't feel like "everyday life" to me, but I 
guess it's just because I don't have a cell phone? I had assumed that 
for art to be about "everyday life" it would have to have something to 
do with consistency ["everyday"] and universality ["life"] but I suppose 
that one could see these projects as "everyday life"  if they have cell 
phones and/or are constantly thinking about satellites and 
latitude/longitude co-ordinates.

I'm just thinking that if we're looking at two flavors that those guys 
"merge", I would have chosen "art and technology", not "art and everyday 
life," which is the original context that Mark Tribe put them in:

etoy merges art and corporate commerce.
rtmark merges art and political activism.
joshua davis merges art and design.
0100101110101101.ORG merges art and everyday life.
several net artists merge art and interface.

Then:

is it really so problematic to think of rhizome.org as merging art and 
online community?

I don't understand the element of Rhizome that has to do with art, 
either; this idea of social sculpture would imply that there was 
actually a  "molding" of the community, which doesn't actually occur. 
It's like looking at a rampant kindergarten class and claiming that you 
call all the shots; when quite clearly there's a gorilla running around 
making the kids go nuts and there's cardboard and glue flying all over 
the place. And then convincing yourself that you're the puppet master.

Just seems weird, not a big deal I guess.

-e.

t.whid wrote:

> he was probably referring to their project in which users could browse 
> the directories of 0100101110101101.ORG's personal computer, reading 
> all their 'private' email and etc.
>
> At 12:19 -0500 11/14/02, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
> Hmmmmmm.....anyone want to take on this statement: 
> "0100101110101101.ORG merges art and everyday life."
>
> Which 0100101110101101.ORG project has anything to do with "everyday 
> life?" Or am I wrong that everyday life has nothing to do with Walter 
> Benjamin or open access FTP servers?
>
> -e.
>
>
>
>
> Mark Tribe wrote:
>
>
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:15:23 -0500
> To: <mailto:list at rhizome.org>list at rhizome.org
> From: Mark Tribe <mailto:mt at rhizome.org><mt at rhizome.org>
>
> hi:
>
> sorry for the slow reply--i just got back from a few days offline. as 
> rachel suggested, i didn't write that e-card.
>
> i agree with tim's response to valery. rhizome.org is first and 
> foremost a nonprofit organization, but lately i've also started to 
> think of it as a social sculpture, i.e. as a participatory art work in 
> which speech and ideas form the raw materials in creating a 
> transformative social space in which the boundaries between art and 
> other things are blurred. i do think that this kind of 
> interdisciplinary convergence is one of the chacteristic features of 
> new media art in general, and net art in particular. etoy merges art 
> and corporate commerce. rtmark merges art and political activism. 
> joshua davis merges art and design. 0100101110101101.ORG merges art 
> and everyday life. several net artists merge art and interface. is it 
> really so problematic to think of rhizome.org as merging art and 
> online community?
>
> -m
>
> At 09:15 AM 11/8/2002 -0500, t.whid wrote:
>
> the two aren't mutually exclusive. rhizome could be both a non-profit 
> org and a mark tribe art piece. that's what's said in the statement 
> below:
>
> though it would be a disservice to abstract
>
> Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, it 
> has had
> a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists and 
> offers
> many practical services. This close-knit integration of a conceptual 
> social
> work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is 
> exemplary
> of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the same
> media.
>
>
> rhizome exists in both conceptual spaces. this feature, coexistence in 
> two different conceptual realms, is prevalent in some of the more 
> advanced contemporary art imo.
>
> what's with the this-or-that demand?
>
> as a contribitor last 2 years I would like to clarify one point to 
> make my
> decision this year :
>
> Rhizome campaign : is it a campaign for a non profit organization? or for
> mark Tribe artpiece ?
> Could you mind to make it clear ?
> I'm asking this regarding your statement on "day jobs" exhbition 
> website at
> new langton art center in San Francisco .... I'm really surprised by 
> it...
> (hereafter)
>
> I already sent a message to you and I didn't get any answer ... am i 
> right ?
> could you mind to clarify this point ?
>
> hereafter on day jobs exhibitions statement !
>
> Mark Tribe
> Projects
>
> Day: Rhizome.org <http://www.rhizome.org>http://www.rhizome.org
> Night: Rhizome.org <http://www.rhizome.org>http://www.rhizome.org
> Mark Tribe's art work featured in this exhibition can be seen as 
> performance
> as much as media art. Rhizome.org is an online community that Mark 
> describes
> as "social sculpture" in the tradition of Bueys. Here, product is not as
> important as process, though it would be a disservice to abstract
> Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, it 
> has had
> a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists and 
> offers
> many practical services. This close-knit integration of a conceptual 
> social
> work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is 
> exemplary
> of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the same
> media. Since media is the built environment that we now live in full-time
> (as opposed to a weekend leisure destination), artists find it 
> possible to
> move into the "main house" -- sometimes without anyone noticing them 
> sneak
> in.
>
> -- Richard Rinehart"
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Tribe" <mailto:mt at rhizome.org><mt at rhizome.org>
> To: <mailto:list at rhizome.org><list at rhizome.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:02 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Charity CD Project
>
>  At 03:40 PM 11/6/2002 -0500, t.whid wrote:
>  >i think that mark was saying that rhizome couldn't give any 
> resources to
>  >the project or sell it directly.
>
>  exactly. i really do appreciate the generosity behind this and want to
>  thank everyone who is interested in volunteering for the project and
>  helping to raise funds for rhizome. i'm just saying that the best way to
>
> do
>
>  it is independently.
>
>  >to mark:
>  >could the project use rhizome's logo and state that all proceeds 
> will go
>  >to rhizome?
>
>  you can certainly say that all or some of the proceeds will go to 
> support
>  rhizome.org, but using the rhizome logo may lead people to believe that
>  it's a rhizome project. so maybe better not to.
>
>  i'm sorry if my reaction has seemed dismissive. if you want to do
>
> something
>
>  to support rhizome, great! go for it!
>
>  + be me
>  -> post: <mailto:list at rhizome.org>list at rhizome.org
>  -> questions: <mailto:info at rhizome.org>info at rhizome.org
>  -> subscribe/unsubscribe: 
> <http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz>http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz 
>
>  -> give: <http://rhizome.org/support>http://rhizome.org/support
>  +
>  Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>  Membership Agreement available online at 
> <http://rhizome.org/info/29.php>http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
>
> + be me
> -> post: <mailto:list at rhizome.org>list at rhizome.org
> -> questions: <mailto:info at rhizome.org>info at rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: 
> <http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz>http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz 
>
> -> give: <http://rhizome.org/support>http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at 
> <http://rhizome.org/info/29.php>http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
> -- 
> <twhid>
> <http://www.mteww.com>http://www.mteww.com
> </twhid>
> + be me
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> <http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz>http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz 
>
> -> give: <http://rhizome.org/support>http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at 
> <http://rhizome.org/info/29.php>http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
> + KNORRRRRRR
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>
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> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at 
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>
>
>
>
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