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[furtherfield]

I agree Eryk,

A rather strange phrasing going on there - may be it's 'everyday' for those concerned, not necessarily for everyone else...

marc


  Hmmmmmm.....anyone want to take on this statement: "0100101110101101.ORG merges art and everyday life." 

  Which 0100101110101101.ORG project has anything to do with "everyday life?" Or am I wrong that everyday life has nothing to do with Walter Benjamin or open access FTP servers? 

  -e. 




  Mark Tribe wrote:



      Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:15:23 -0500 
      To: list at rhizome.org 
      From: Mark Tribe <mt at rhizome.org> 

      hi: 

      sorry for the slow reply--i just got back from a few days offline. as rachel suggested, i didn't write that e-card. 

      i agree with tim's response to valery. rhizome.org is first and foremost a nonprofit organization, but lately i've also started to think of it as a social sculpture, i.e. as a participatory art work in which speech and ideas form the raw materials in creating a transformative social space in which the boundaries between art and other things are blurred. i do think that this kind of interdisciplinary convergence is one of the chacteristic features of new media art in general, and net art in particular. etoy merges art and corporate commerce. rtmark merges art and political activism. joshua davis merges art and design. 0100101110101101.ORG merges art and everyday life. several net artists merge art and interface. is it really so problematic to think of rhizome.org as merging art and online community? 

      -m 

      At 09:15 AM 11/8/2002 -0500, t.whid wrote: 

        the two aren't mutually exclusive. rhizome could be both a non-profit org and a mark tribe art piece. that's what's said in the statement below: 

        though it would be a disservice to abstract 

          Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, it has had 
          a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists and offers 
          many practical services. This close-knit integration of a conceptual social 
          work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is exemplary 
          of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the same 
          media. 


        rhizome exists in both conceptual spaces. this feature, coexistence in two different conceptual realms, is prevalent in some of the more advanced contemporary art imo. 

        what's with the this-or-that demand? 



          as a contribitor last 2 years I would like to clarify one point to make my 
          decision this year : 

          Rhizome campaign : is it a campaign for a non profit organization? or for 
          mark Tribe artpiece ? 
          Could you mind to make it clear ? 
          I'm asking this regarding your statement on "day jobs" exhbition website at 
          new langton art center in San Francisco .... I'm really surprised by it... 
          (hereafter) 

          I already sent a message to you and I didn't get any answer ... am i right ? 
          could you mind to clarify this point ? 

          hereafter on day jobs exhibitions statement ! 

          Mark Tribe 
          Projects 

          Day: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org 
          Night: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org 
          Mark Tribe's art work featured in this exhibition can be seen as performance 
          as much as media art. Rhizome.org is an online community that Mark describes 
          as "social sculpture" in the tradition of Bueys. Here, product is not as 
          important as process, though it would be a disservice to abstract 
          Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, it has had 
          a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists and offers 
          many practical services. This close-knit integration of a conceptual social 
          work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is exemplary 
          of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the same 
          media. Since media is the built environment that we now live in full-time 
          (as opposed to a weekend leisure destination), artists find it possible to 
          move into the "main house" -- sometimes without anyone noticing them sneak 
          in. 

          -- Richard Rinehart" 



          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: "Mark Tribe" <mt at rhizome.org> 
          To: <list at rhizome.org> 
          Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:02 PM 
          Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Charity CD Project 



             At 03:40 PM 11/6/2002 -0500, t.whid wrote: 
             >i think that mark was saying that rhizome couldn't give any resources to 
             >the project or sell it directly. 

             exactly. i really do appreciate the generosity behind this and want to 
             thank everyone who is interested in volunteering for the project and 
             helping to raise funds for rhizome. i'm just saying that the best way to 

          do 

             it is independently. 

             >to mark: 
             >could the project use rhizome's logo and state that all proceeds will go 
             >to rhizome? 

             you can certainly say that all or some of the proceeds will go to support 
             rhizome.org, but using the rhizome logo may lead people to believe that 
             it's a rhizome project. so maybe better not to. 

             i'm sorry if my reaction has seemed dismissive. if you want to do 

          something 

             to support rhizome, great! go for it! 

             + be me 
             -> post: list at rhizome.org 
             -> questions: info at rhizome.org 
             -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz 
             -> give: http://rhizome.org/support 
             + 
             Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the 
             Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php 



          + be me 
          -> post: list at rhizome.org 
          -> questions: info at rhizome.org 
          -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz 
          -> give: http://rhizome.org/support 
          + 
          Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the 
          Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php 


        -- 
        <twhid> 
        http://www.mteww.com 
        </twhid> 
        + be me 
        -> post: list at rhizome.org 
        -> questions: info at rhizome.org 
        -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz 
        -> give: http://rhizome.org/support 
        + 
        Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the 
        Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php 


      + KNORRRRRRR 
      -> post: list at rhizome.org 
      -> questions: info at rhizome.org 
      -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz 
      -> give: http://rhizome.org/support 
      + 
      Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the 
      Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php 



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