[syndicate] Fwd: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: RE: Re: Charity CD Project

Eryk Salvaggio eryk at maine.rr.com
Thu Nov 14 18:19:45 CET 2002 

Hmmmmmm.....anyone want to take on this statement: "0100101110101101.ORG 
merges art and everyday life."

Which 0100101110101101.ORG project has anything to do with "everyday 
life?" Or am I wrong that everyday life has nothing to do with Walter 
Benjamin or open access FTP servers?

-e.




Mark Tribe wrote:

>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:15:23 -0500
>> To: list at rhizome.org
>> From: Mark Tribe <mt at rhizome.org>
>>
>> hi:
>>
>> sorry for the slow reply--i just got back from a few days offline. as 
>> rachel suggested, i didn't write that e-card.
>>
>> i agree with tim's response to valery. rhizome.org is first and 
>> foremost a nonprofit organization, but lately i've also started to 
>> think of it as a social sculpture, i.e. as a participatory art work 
>> in which speech and ideas form the raw materials in creating a 
>> transformative social space in which the boundaries between art and 
>> other things are blurred. i do think that this kind of 
>> interdisciplinary convergence is one of the chacteristic features of 
>> new media art in general, and net art in particular. etoy merges art 
>> and corporate commerce. rtmark merges art and political activism. 
>> joshua davis merges art and design. 0100101110101101.ORG merges art 
>> and everyday life. several net artists merge art and interface. is it 
>> really so problematic to think of rhizome.org as merging art and 
>> online community?
>>
>> -m
>>
>> At 09:15 AM 11/8/2002 -0500, t.whid wrote:
>>
>>> the two aren't mutually exclusive. rhizome could be both a 
>>> non-profit org and a mark tribe art piece. that's what's said in the 
>>> statement below:
>>>
>>> though it would be a disservice to abstract
>>>
>>>> Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, 
>>>> it has had
>>>> a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists 
>>>> and offers
>>>> many practical services. This close-knit integration of a 
>>>> conceptual social
>>>> work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is 
>>>> exemplary
>>>> of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the 
>>>> same
>>>> media.
>>>
>>>
>>> rhizome exists in both conceptual spaces. this feature, coexistence 
>>> in two different conceptual realms, is prevalent in some of the more 
>>> advanced contemporary art imo.
>>>
>>> what's with the this-or-that demand?
>>>
>>>
>>>> as a contribitor last 2 years I would like to clarify one point to 
>>>> make my
>>>> decision this year :
>>>>
>>>> Rhizome campaign : is it a campaign for a non profit organization? 
>>>> or for
>>>> mark Tribe artpiece ?
>>>> Could you mind to make it clear ?
>>>> I'm asking this regarding your statement on "day jobs" exhbition 
>>>> website at
>>>> new langton art center in San Francisco .... I'm really surprised 
>>>> by it...
>>>> (hereafter)
>>>>
>>>> I already sent a message to you and I didn't get any answer ... am 
>>>> i right ?
>>>> could you mind to clarify this point ?
>>>>
>>>> hereafter on day jobs exhibitions statement !
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tribe
>>>> Projects
>>>>
>>>> Day: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org
>>>> Night: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org
>>>> Mark Tribe's art work featured in this exhibition can be seen as 
>>>> performance
>>>> as much as media art. Rhizome.org is an online community that Mark 
>>>> describes
>>>> as "social sculpture" in the tradition of Bueys. Here, product is 
>>>> not as
>>>> important as process, though it would be a disservice to abstract
>>>> Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, 
>>>> it has had
>>>> a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists 
>>>> and offers
>>>> many practical services. This close-knit integration of a 
>>>> conceptual social
>>>> work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is 
>>>> exemplary
>>>> of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the 
>>>> same
>>>> media. Since media is the built environment that we now live in 
>>>> full-time
>>>> (as opposed to a weekend leisure destination), artists find it 
>>>> possible to
>>>> move into the "main house" -- sometimes without anyone noticing 
>>>> them sneak
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>> -- Richard Rinehart"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mark Tribe" <mt at rhizome.org>
>>>> To: <list at rhizome.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:02 PM
>>>> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Charity CD Project
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  At 03:40 PM 11/6/2002 -0500, t.whid wrote:
>>>>>  >i think that mark was saying that rhizome couldn't give any 
>>>>> resources to
>>>>>  >the project or sell it directly.
>>>>>
>>>>>  exactly. i really do appreciate the generosity behind this and 
>>>>> want to
>>>>>  thank everyone who is interested in volunteering for the project and
>>>>>  helping to raise funds for rhizome. i'm just saying that the best 
>>>>> way to
>>>>
>>>> do
>>>>
>>>>>  it is independently.
>>>>>
>>>>>  >to mark:
>>>>>  >could the project use rhizome's logo and state that all proceeds 
>>>>> will go
>>>>>  >to rhizome?
>>>>>
>>>>>  you can certainly say that all or some of the proceeds will go to 
>>>>> support
>>>>>  rhizome.org, but using the rhizome logo may lead people to 
>>>>> believe that
>>>>>  it's a rhizome project. so maybe better not to.
>>>>>
>>>>>  i'm sorry if my reaction has seemed dismissive. if you want to do
>>>>
>>>> something
>>>>
>>>>>  to support rhizome, great! go for it!
>>>>>
>>>>>  + be me
>>>>>  -> post: list at rhizome.org
>>>>>  -> questions: info at rhizome.org
>>>>>  -> subscribe/unsubscribe: 
>>>>> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>>>>  -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>>>>  +
>>>>>  Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>>>>  Membership Agreement available online at 
>>>>> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> + be me
>>>> -> post: list at rhizome.org
>>>> -> questions: info at rhizome.org
>>>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: 
>>>> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>>> +
>>>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>>> Membership Agreement available online at 
>>>> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> <twhid>
>>> http://www.mteww.com
>>> </twhid>
>>> + be me
>>> -> post: list at rhizome.org
>>> -> questions: info at rhizome.org
>>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>> +
>>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
>>
>> + KNORRRRRRR
>> -> post: list at rhizome.org
>> -> questions: info at rhizome.org
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
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