Fwd: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: RE: Re: Charity CD Project

[Mark Tribe]

>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:15:23 -0500
>To: list at rhizome.org
>From: Mark Tribe <mt at rhizome.org>
>
>hi:
>
>sorry for the slow reply--i just got back from a few days offline. as 
>rachel suggested, i didn't write that e-card.
>
>i agree with tim's response to valery. rhizome.org is first and foremost a 
>nonprofit organization, but lately i've also started to think of it as a 
>social sculpture, i.e. as a participatory art work in which speech and 
>ideas form the raw materials in creating a transformative social space in 
>which the boundaries between art and other things are blurred. i do think 
>that this kind of interdisciplinary convergence is one of the chacteristic 
>features of new media art in general, and net art in particular. etoy 
>merges art and corporate commerce. rtmark merges art and political 
>activism. joshua davis merges art and design. 0100101110101101.ORG merges 
>art and everyday life. several net artists merge art and interface. is it 
>really so problematic to think of rhizome.org as merging art and online 
>community?
>
>-m
>
>At 09:15 AM 11/8/2002 -0500, t.whid wrote:
>>the two aren't mutually exclusive. rhizome could be both a non-profit org 
>>and a mark tribe art piece. that's what's said in the statement below:
>>
>>though it would be a disservice to abstract
>>>Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, it has had
>>>a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists and offers
>>>many practical services. This close-knit integration of a conceptual social
>>>work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is exemplary
>>>of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the same
>>>media.
>>
>>rhizome exists in both conceptual spaces. this feature, coexistence in 
>>two different conceptual realms, is prevalent in some of the more 
>>advanced contemporary art imo.
>>
>>what's with the this-or-that demand?
>>
>>
>>>as a contribitor last 2 years I would like to clarify one point to make my
>>>decision this year :
>>>
>>>Rhizome campaign : is it a campaign for a non profit organization? or for
>>>mark Tribe artpiece ?
>>>Could you mind to make it clear ?
>>>I'm asking this regarding your statement on "day jobs" exhbition website at
>>>new langton art center in San Francisco .... I'm really surprised by it...
>>>(hereafter)
>>>
>>>I already sent a message to you and I didn't get any answer ... am i right ?
>>>could you mind to clarify this point ?
>>>
>>>hereafter on day jobs exhibitions statement !
>>>
>>>Mark Tribe
>>>Projects
>>>
>>>Day: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org
>>>Night: Rhizome.org http://www.rhizome.org
>>>Mark Tribe's art work featured in this exhibition can be seen as performance
>>>as much as media art. Rhizome.org is an online community that Mark describes
>>>as "social sculpture" in the tradition of Bueys. Here, product is not as
>>>important as process, though it would be a disservice to abstract
>>>Rhizome.org to the level of a conceptual art prank when, in fact, it has had
>>>a very real effect on the social lives of many new media artists and offers
>>>many practical services. This close-knit integration of a conceptual social
>>>work combined, inextricably, with practical real-world services is exemplary
>>>of how new media artists are sometimes able to play and work in the same
>>>media. Since media is the built environment that we now live in full-time
>>>(as opposed to a weekend leisure destination), artists find it possible to
>>>move into the "main house" -- sometimes without anyone noticing them sneak
>>>in.
>>>
>>>-- Richard Rinehart"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mark Tribe" <mt at rhizome.org>
>>>To: <list at rhizome.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:02 PM
>>>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Charity CD Project
>>>
>>>
>>>>  At 03:40 PM 11/6/2002 -0500, t.whid wrote:
>>>>  >i think that mark was saying that rhizome couldn't give any resources to
>>>>  >the project or sell it directly.
>>>>
>>>>  exactly. i really do appreciate the generosity behind this and want to
>>>>  thank everyone who is interested in volunteering for the project and
>>>>  helping to raise funds for rhizome. i'm just saying that the best way to
>>>do
>>>>  it is independently.
>>>>
>>>>  >to mark:
>>>>  >could the project use rhizome's logo and state that all proceeds will go
>>>>  >to rhizome?
>>>>
>>>>  you can certainly say that all or some of the proceeds will go to support
>>>>  rhizome.org, but using the rhizome logo may lead people to believe that
>>>>  it's a rhizome project. so maybe better not to.
>>>>
>>>>  i'm sorry if my reaction has seemed dismissive. if you want to do
>>>something
>>>>  to support rhizome, great! go for it!
>>>>
>>>>  + be me
>>>>  -> post: list at rhizome.org
>>>>  -> questions: info at rhizome.org
>>>>  -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>>>  -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>>>  +
>>>>  Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>>>  Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>>
>>>
>>>+ be me
>>>-> post: list at rhizome.org
>>>-> questions: info at rhizome.org
>>>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>>+
>>>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
>>--
>><twhid>
>>http://www.mteww.com
>></twhid>
>>+ be me
>>-> post: list at rhizome.org
>>-> questions: info at rhizome.org
>>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>+
>>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>+ KNORRRRRRR
>-> post: list at rhizome.org
>-> questions: info at rhizome.org
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php