[syndicate] Re: Yes, but is it art?

[clement Thomas]

this is mailing list,
this is Syndicate,
this is tenderness sometimes,
velvet coverskined,

thank you Claudia.





hahaahhahahahaha
ok
let's get back to armoured suits now ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia Westermann" <media at ezaic.de>
To: "syndicate" <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: Yes, but is it art?


>
>
> > >
> > > basically it is completely against the net idea. no ?
> >
> >can you say few words more about why not?
>
> yes, will try )
>
> the network idea to me is basically a social idea
> ( hm .. could call this idealism also ... and this is possibly what will
> trap me all the time )
>
> a network is a system in which hierarchical structures should be replaced
by
> different interacting individuals in a rather fluidic form ..
>
> basically the internet provides a structure where this kind of model is
> possible
> but what can be perceived on the net is that it gets more and more pressed
> into hierarchical structures
>
> possibly hierarchical structures are easier to understand, actually most
of
> the time I think that people are quite happy with them .. somehow they
know
> what they get ...
>
> the Java Museum in my opinion establishes a hierarchical structure for net
> based art works
> it puts the 'known' museum concept on the net
> there is a curator, a somehow designed page ( the house ) and a lot of
> advertisement for the 'exhibitions'
> and the curator also ...
> so much that I sometimes ask myself if it is possibly not at all about the
> works of the artists but about the curator ... there is normally less
> promotion for real space activities, by the way
>
> I really do not understand why one should do this ... the works are on the
> net anyway ... the artist do not need the curator at all, so why accepting
> the hierarchy ?... and that one's work is possibly used to promote the
> curators ideas .... and the restrictions made by him ?
> ______________
>
> Since artists started to reflect about their environment -
> self-reflection became an important aspect in their working.
> Therefore nobody will be surprised that the self-portrait belongs
> to those formats artist are using which produce
> the artistically most qualitative results :
> from the critical view through the "mirror at the bottom".
>
> 1.jpg for image (max. 800x600 pixels)
> 2. .mov for video (Quicktime movie, size max 600x480 pixels, 2Mb)
> 3. animated gif (size max 320x240 pixels) and
> .swf (Shockwave Flash, size max. 600x480 pixels, 2Mb) for animations
> 4. html pages may include Javascript or embedded Java Applets (mx 2Mb),
> Shockwave Flash or Quicktime.
> 5. .mp3 for sound
> 6. .doc (Rich text Format) and .txt or email for text/words
> 7. URLs of works, which may have embedded JavaApplets, Shockwave Flash or
> Quicktime.
> Up to 3 works can be submitted,
>
> ________________________________
>
> why supporting this ?
> doesn't supporting this counteracts against the work one is doing ?
> at least when one calls oneself a net.worker ? assuming that this is a
> social idea.
>
> basically I am aking questions .. it's pretty easy possibly, because I do
> not at all produce works that could be presented this way ... the only
time
> I ever included the net in a work, was for a performance, which actually
> happened in real space ) ...
>
> well ...
>
>
> adding now here:
>
> in a supposedly non hierarchical system the creative has a very important
role
>
> to assume one could get to a state of a really non-hierarchical structure
> is possibly too much
> the creative will have a stronger position, because s/he can more easily
> adapt to the changes and also
> because the creative will be the person possibly initiating these changes
> or stabilizing the system.
>
> non hierarchical is actually a kind of simulation
> it's always possible to destroy the system
> if there are not enough people stabilizing the system via communication
> 'personal' links ...
> )
> which is where I started that it is about communication --- >
understanding
> (at least accepting)
>
> the basics are openness.
>
>
> but the network idea which I can see in the exposed crosspostings
> is actually rather not the one of really constructing or trying to
> construct but by 'testing' these systems
> exposed 'private' conversation can have the same effect
> it's probably necessary to prove its fluidic form from time to time
>
>
> the fluidic will stand it ( proof - it is what it should be ) and possibly
> transform a little
> the other will exclude ( proof - it's not what it should be ) or in the
> best case mobilize enough forces to transform into a fluidic open one
>
>
> kind of
>
> I like Syndicate  )
> because of these discussions and because I ask myself, why peter is an
hour
> ahead, because it makes me smile that Arie had almost success with a
> provocation ( smack ), because nn likes to sleep and naturally does not do
> anything useful ( smile ) ... oh not true ... a lie actually ...
> because I have some idea why frederic is saying what he says. In my
opinion
> there is a lot of personal concern in his questions, possibly because he
> knows where it possibly can lead to, to act as a crossposter/spammer
> (isolation?)
> in any case he would not say anything if he would not be concerned because
> he actually knows how to filter
> and he likes these works anyway, so i do not understand the dimension of
> the fuss .... hm .. well possibly,  I do ... I also like him serving my (
> or his ? ) idealism by sitting and writing some text for a project for
> Syndicate collaboration  ( smile )
> because we have another porno link on the list ( do I really like that ?
> well ....; ) .. because I realized that andrei still exists somewhere,
> because I sometimes fight with Anna ( kind of ) because we are soooooooo
> different ;) we have to do this .. and sometimes not because I have the
> slight idea that she will not be very happy if Syndicate only is a
internet
> project (puh) ... because clement thinks en rosé ... because two marks
> posts very differently ...
> because igor made a very nice presentation of his projects here, and none
> of the students asked one strange question about his net.orgasm theory
> (smile) ( and unfortunately he made the very annoying experience with
> Western style administrations how they can be ), because there are these
> questions that are difficult to answer ... and because I hope that someone
> else might have a solution for life ... : )
>
> it's all about rather personal links
> and I am very happy when I meet people in 'real space'
> and I like very much acting 'outside'. it's much more direct and easier.
> direct communication produces less misunderstandings, I guess. for me this
> idea has very much to do with going outside. it's not bound to the
> internet. not at all.
>
> hmmmm***** .... basically why I am here is naturally about being very
selfish
> ( serving my idealism ) and it makes me act how I act.
> network is a social idea and I like communication [concepts] ( self
> promotional ).
>
>
> the journey only has one station.
>
>
> for now
> claudia