Ivo Skoric digest
anna balint
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Thu Jan 17 20:19:19 CET 2002
from Ivo Skoric [ivo at reporters.net]
1. Erongate
2. Goldstone very worried about camps in Cuba
3. Re: HRW: Anti-Terror Campaign Cloaking Human Rights Abuse
4. Re: J Prlic and ICTY
1. subj. Erongate
And what about this choking on a pretzel? I've talked to several
doctors. Men choking on a pretzel sitting on a couch, does not fall
on the floor. He chokes and dies sitting on a couch. Even if he gets
up and then falls on the floor, he does not fall on his face. The
particular scenario involving falling on the face has to include a
violent jerk and the loss of ones faculties before falling down - a
common occurence in the epileptic seizure. That picture would
become even more intriguing, if we consider that such seizures
may result from the history of alcohol and drug (cocaine) abuse.
But I think the pretzel-choking-theory sounds much better in the
media.
ivo
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Well! There can be no doubt about the need for a special prosecutor... I
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Bush
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oil"
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alike
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other
than Kenneth Lay! Caption: "Sucking Crude... sure tastes sweet to me!
Ooops!
How do I get Oil stains off a suit?" Now we can add the caption: "Enron
gave
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2. Goldstone very worried about camps in Cuba
Richard Goldstone questions US decision to detain Al Qaeda members at Guantanamo Bay. He also disputes the
newly created term of 'unlawful combatants'.
ivo
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Once more an expert on international criminal law branded the USA as a
rogue state in the field of international law and international courts.
>From De Telegraaf (Holland's largest selling, conservative, newspaper)
Jan 17th, 2002
http://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuwslink/teksten/nws.goldstone.cuba.internationaal.html
Translation below
Frank
Goldstone zeer bezorgd over kampen op Cuba
DEN HAAG - Richard Goldstone, in de jaren 90 de eerste hoofdaanklager
van het Joegoslavië-Tribunaal, is "zeer bezorgd over de manier waarop de
VS vermeende Taliban- en al-Qaeda-gevangenen vasthouden op hun basis in
Cuba.
Goldstone, een van de meest geachte deskundigen voor internationaal
strafrecht wereldwijd, denkt dat Washington voor zijn eigen behoefte een
"nieuwe juridische categorie heeft gecreëerd toen het de gedetineerden
"unlawful combattants (niet-wettige strijders) is gaan noemen terwijl
hen tegelijkertijd de status van krijgsgevangenen (POW's) wordt ontzegd.
"Als zij geen POW's zijn, zijn zij gewone criminelen en zouden dan in de
VS zelf berecht moeten worden", aldus Goldstone donderdag op de
BBC-radio. In de VS zelf zouden de verdachten bepaalde rechten hebben
die zij in Cuba niet hebben.
De gevangenen uit tal van landen, die de VS vanuit Afghanistan hebben
overgevlogen, worden op de Amerikaanse basis op Cuba vastgehouden om te
worden ondervraagd en eventueel te worden berecht wegens betrokkenheid
bij terrorisme.
De Amerikaanse president Bush heeft daarvoor speciale militaire
tribunalen opgezet voor buitenlanders. Goldstone, die nu rechter is aan
het constutioneel hof van zijn geboorteland Zuid-Afrika, weet van "geen
rechtvaardiging in het internationaal recht voor dusdanig gedrag".
Volgens Goldstone zouden andere landen een klacht tegen het Amerikaanse
optreden kunnen indienen bij het Internationaal Gerechtshof in Den Haag,
het hoogste juridische orgaan van de Verenigde Naties. Hij is echter
sceptisch of de gang naar het Vredespaleis iets oplevert. De supermacht
heeft immers in het verleden aangetoond dat "zij niet bereid is
uitspraken te accepteren die haar niet bevallen". Goldstone verwacht
meer effect van internationale kritiek.
_____
Goldstone very worried about camps in Cuba
The Hague - Richard Goldstone, the first Chief Prosecutor of the
Yugoslavia tribunal in the 1990's, is "very worried about the way the US
detain alledged Taliban and al-Qaeda prisoners on their basis in Cuba."
Goldstone, one of the world's most esteemed experts on international
criminal law, is of the opinion that Washington created, for its own
purposes, a "new criminal category by calling the detainees 'unlawful
combattants' while at the same time denying them the status of
'prisoners of war'."
"If they are not POW's, then they are ordinary criminals who should face
trial in the US proper," said Goldstone on BBC Radio on Thursday. In the
US the detainees would have certain rights which they do not have in
Cuba.
The prisoners the US flew in from Afghanistan originate from quite a
number of countries; they are being held on Cuba for interrogation and
probably face trial on charges of involvement in terrorism.
US president Bush set up special military tribunals for these
foreigners. Goldstone, who now is a judge in the Constitutional Court of
his home country South Africa, knows of "no justification in
international law for such behaviour."
According to Goldstone other countries could file a complaint against
this American behaviour before the International Court of Justice in The
Hague, the UN's highest legal body. He is, however, sceptical about the
results of such a procedure because the super-power has shown in the
past that "it is not prepared to accept rulings which aren't to its
liking." Goldstone expects more results of international criticism.
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Frank
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3. Re: HRW: Anti-Terror Campaign Cloaking Human Rights Abuse
This seems to be true. The US was the victim of terror attacks. So
it passed harsh anti-terror laws. But then other countries, mostly
those already known for human rights abuses, although they were
not targeted by terrorists, under the disguise of joining American
anti-terror campaign, passed even harsher regulations and, without
hesitation (that usually caracterizes US implementation of
restrictive rules), moved to practice them. The most benign
example came to me from my friend who spent his Christmas
vaccation in Croatia. He told me that by far the most thorough,
privacy-invading and flight-delaying checks he had to undergo, were
not at the US or German airports, but at Croatian ones. Can you
imagine the field day Serbian police must have with the anti-terror
campaign? - they can behave as they always wanted and now with
the US stamp of approval!
ivo
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From: Andras Riedlmayer <riedlmay at FAS.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: HRW: Anti-Terror Campaign Cloaking Human Rights Abuse
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From: "Human Rights Watch" <hrwatchnyc at igc.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:26 PM
Anti-Terror Campaign Cloaking Human Rights Abuse
New Global Survey Finds Crackdown on Civil Liberties
(Washington, January 16, 2002) -- The anti-terror campaign led by the
United States is inspiring opportunistic attacks on civil liberties
around the world, Human Rights Watch warned in its annual global survey
released today (available online at: http://hrw.org/wr2k2/).
At the same time, the campaign offers a chance to focus attention
on the denial of human rights and democracy in the Middle East and
Central Asia, where authoritarian governments have left millions of people
with a choice between extremist politics and no politics. Many of these
authoritarian governments cling to power without challenge from Western
governments.
The 670-page Human Rights Watch World Report 2002 includes summaries
of human rights events in 2001 in 66 countries, as well as analyses of
U.S. and European foreign policy, refugee issues, international justice,
corporate social responsibility, and the weapons trade.
Some countries, such as Russia, Uzbekistan, and Egypt, are using the
war on terror to justify abusive military campaigns or crackdowns on
domestic political opponents. In the United States and Western Europe,
measures designed to combat terrorism are threatening long-held human
rights principles.
"Terrorists believe that anything goes in the name of their cause,"
said Kenneth Roth, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch. "The fight
against terror must not buy into that logic. Human rights principles
must not be compromised in the name of any cause."
The anti-terrorism campaign will not succeed if it is conducted merely
as a struggle against a particularly ruthless set of criminals, Roth
said. To defeat the fundamental amorality of terrorism requires a firm
grounding in international human rights.
"The fight against terror must reaffirm the principle that no civilian
should ever be deliberately killed or abused," said Roth. "But for
too many countries, the anti-terror mantra has provided a new reason
to ignore human rights."
On Afghanistan, Roth said that the demise of the Taliban regime created
an opportunity for positive change. But he urged that the international
community devote real resources to bringing perpetrators to justice for
past crimes. Establishing the rule of law will be essential for ending
the cycle of atrocities in Afghanistan.
Roth said that Human Rights Watch had not yet conducted an on-the-ground
investigation of civilian deaths in the U.S. bombing campaign in
Afghanistan, but that serious questions had been raised by reports of
civilian casualties.
Human Rights Watch does not generally take a position on whether
particular wars should be fought, but does urge strict respect for
international humanitarian law in the conduct of any war. Human Rights
Watch urged the U.S. military to be more forthcoming about civilian
casualties in Afghanistan.
Roth also said that new restrictions on civil liberties in the United
States, such as the proposed military commissions, could compromise the
U.S. government's ability to criticize human rights violations in other
countries.
"Imagine the U.S. condemning military tribunals set up by a tin-pot
tyrant to get rid of his political enemies," said Roth. "That kind of
criticism can have real sting. But now it will ring with hypocrisy --
if the Pentagon does not narrow President Bush's order on military
commissions with appropriate guidelines." Anti-terror legislation
in many Western European countries would have a similar effect on
their abilities to provide international leadership on human rights,
Roth said.
"The fight against terror isn't just a matter of security," said Roth.
"It's a matter of values."
The willingness of most Western governments to tolerate abuses by
friendly governments in the Middle East and North Africa has tended
to undermine the growth of a human rights culture there, Roth noted.
The problems include the West's failure to rein in Israeli abuses
against Palestinians, and its apparent disregard for grave civilian
suffering caused by sanctions against Iraq.
"In societies where basic freedoms flourish, citizens can press their
government to respond to grievances," said Roth. "But in Saudi Arabia
and other countries where Osama bin Laden strikes a chord of resentment,
governments prohibit political debate. As the option of peaceful
political change is closed off, the voices of non-violent dissent
are frequently upstaged by advocates of violent opposition."
Human Rights Watch is an international monitoring organization based
in New York. It accepts no financial support from any government.
4. Re: J Prlic and ICTY
Yes, Mike, perhaps did not know this part of Prlic's resume - but it
indeed makes perfect sense.
Former Yugoslavia in 1980s gave birth to this specific kind of
commie-yuppies. They came in all ethnic variations and their only
common factor was their insatiable ambition for power.
They function well in all ideologies, since they do not pledge
allegiance to any particular set of values, as long as it keeps them
floating on the top. Once they were ardent communists - often the
first to be promoted and the youngest in their class. The most
promising ones, they were also the first to jump the boat,
becoming convincingly eloquent representatives of the awakening
'national beings' within the ethnic variety of former Yugoslavia. And
now, often, they are the champions of Western democratic values,
the darlings of Soros and similar foundations and the first choices
for high ranking positions in service of international overlords like
Petritsch is.
There is a street term for this class of men, involving a certain color
and the part of our face that we use to breath and smell things.
ivo
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From: Zarko Modric <zarko.modric at ZG.HINET.HR>
Subject: Re: J Prlic and ICTY
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At 20:59 15.01.2002 -0500, Mike wrote:
>Prlic is the perfect example of the hypocrisy of Petritsch's Bosnia: the
>prime minister of Herceg-Bosna, corrupt to his core. A perfect choice to be a
>Petritsch moderate.
Yes, of course.But Mike forgets that before he become the
"democrat" and was responsible for opening the horrible detention camps for
Moslems in Dretelj, Rodoc and other places, Prlic was a model communist, in
fact the "youngest member of the communist government of
Bosnia-Herzegovina". Just like his boss Tudjman who was the model
communist, or rather the communist hardliner and lived in Belgrade among
Serbs, witnessing (and participating in) the mass murder of Croats,
including his own friend Hebrang, and then suddenly turned "democrat" and
"Croat nationalist" when it suited him. Both Prlic and Tudjman and so many
other "patriots" like them plundered millions from the impoverished
citizens. Tudjman died, but his family still owns billions he embezzled
during past ten years. Prlic is a small fish.
Zarko
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