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[Joseph Gray]

On Oct 9, 2004, at 12:46 PM, Frederic Madre wrote:
>
> nah, I like meat
> my grandfather was a butcher
> for a month or two he was in charge of meat distribution in the city 
> of Paris
> in 1945

Well, the cow has to eat grass, which is well, grown in shit often 
enough.  So you are a tertiary vegetarian then...

> the difference with this one, I find, is that it does not put the 
> emphasis on humans perception of what you call consciousness: the 
> matter of humans is ultimately the same matter as that of
> meat

It is all atoms and molecules and various forces as far as we know 
(from the post-enlightenment empirical point of view)

Most of these ramblings are simply conjecture and not meant to unlock 
the "secrets of the universe" or what have you.

>
> energy might be a negative concept to some of us

ok, I'm not sure why it would be "negative" (depending on 
direction/flow?), but the question for me is what configuration of 
matter is required for self-awareness to occur?


>
>> So why is it that one particular configuration of matter (the human) 
>> has consciousness attached to it?
>
> the squirrel has the same
> attached to it
>

some people don't believe animals are self aware, wasn't sure where you 
were coming form here.

>
>>  Or are you one of those people who will even deny ones own sense of 
>> being,?
>
> no, I only deny that ones own sense of being could be a subject of 
> amazement

another question, why deny that self-awareness is amazing, because it 
is so common place?  Is there some advantage to thinking of "sense of 
being" as mundane?

>
>
>> absolutely, one can only hope.
>
> that is what I feared

anger =  fear * suppression
thus:  fear = anger/suppression

actually I'm not really that into the hippie-dippie stuff, except that 
the image of Buddha and Gaia kickin' back on a mitochondria downin' a 
few colas is pretty fucking funny.

>
> >gawd.
>
>>> f.
>>
>> Jeez, don't take it so seriously DUDE.
>
>
> actually I don't

yeah I know you don't

> I thought adieu was final

?

> your matter is fighting over your consciousness

Yeah, and my karma ran over my dogma, oi vay, what a day.

>
> later,
> f.

later daze,
-Joe