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[Frederic Madre]

At 01:41 09/10/2004, Joseph Gray wrote:
>A wise woman (and no, not you NN) once said that consciousness IS the 
>mechanism that forms, and IS, the whole of all being (ie. the universe).

bullshit, the universe is made of matter
consciousness is a perverse evolution of ebullient matter

>   Inextricably bound together, as is referred to below (in relation to 
> the human).  The logical extension of this is that not only are humans 
> conscious, but rather each and every definable particle, notion etc. has 
> it's own being and hence self-awareness.  A human though has a separate 
> consciousness from the individual cells of which it consists, and so do 
> the mitochondria within them etc.  A question that arises is where does 
> that barrier occur.  If there were no barriers ones conscious would 
> immediately expand into the whole of being instantaneously, but, as 
> posited below, the body-mind-spirit thingy is inextricably bound.

gawd.

>Suppose, just suppose, that it becomes quite possible to drink some sort 
>of genetic elixir and weeks, months, years later a nice set of wings forms 
>on ones back.  Now, it seems that if the nervous system, blood vessels 
>etc. are properly hooked up (and here is perhaps a key to the 
>body/rest-of-the-world dichotomy) ones conscious would expand into these 
>newly formed, and rather fine and feathery, wings.

mmm, in your way of thinking why wouldn't that be possible by a certain 
disposition of your fantastic consciousness ?
instead of a genetic elixir ie more matter

>preservation and self-preservation.  This being would not only have 
>sensations that are, for us lowly worms, completely unfathomable, but 
>would also have states of consciousness that not only could we not fathom, 
>but would present other states of being that it as well could not fathom, 
>and thus opening up a playing field, that at this point, perhaps only Gaia 
>knows.

gawd.

>The story is that Buddha (and others in other traditions) did expand it's 
>conscious into that of all multiversal realities.  So perhaps there is 
>something there also, who knows.

yeah and perhaps gaia and buddha are having soft drinks, sitting on one of 
your mitochondria's consciousness while you are picking your nose at the 
other end of your body, who knows

>hard. ; )
>
>Adieu,
>-Joe


gawd.

f.