Re: [syndicate] FW: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les Pays-Bas rejettent le traité constitutionnel européen

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Le 3 juin 05, à 10:45, clemos a écrit :

> ctgr, always here to push the debate to a higher level I see.

top ov the cream always !

>
> anyway, I excuse you, and Frederic and Aliette :
> all your responses show up that you still stick to unuseful questions
> and meaningless problems, which were used as weapons for the last 3
> monthes (at least)
>
> I mean : social vs liberal, isn't this topic a crappy stuff that hides
> all other problems and truthes ? how long will we (in France) stick on
> this poor, out of date duality ?
>
> and to answer to Aliette, I don't think any vote will deeply changes
> things about Europe, especially regarding the poorness of the
> arguments on both sides. People have voted no because their nation
> have difficulties that in my opinion are precisely due to a certain
> "lack of Europe", or sometimes have voted no only because they don't
> feel friendly with, say, german people, or more often with eastern
> europe people... and voting no to stop liberalism is definitely an
> illusion.

triality says :
some vote no because the text is badly written enough to be rejected.
quadrialty says :
some vote no because this text authorizes the return of death penalty 
to fight terrorism, but forgets to give a clear definition of terrorism

...
is this high enough ?

>
> and to answer to Frederic : I totally understand that belonging to a
> majority make you feel deeply more secure and confortable, but watch
> out what this majority is made of
>
> I really don't see what can bring hapiness in the result of those
> referendum: the constitution is dead and buried (it is since sunday
> night), nothing's changed...
>
> we've gone into a crisis, but I don't feel like anything positive
> (have||)will come out of this.

positive ?
what about quintality  then ?
haw haw haw !
please clemos, don't bite my tail !



>
> +++++++++
> clemos
>
> On 6/2/05, ctgr-pavu. com <ctgr at free.fr> wrote:
>> forget B Gates...
>>
>> try Galouzeau ...
>> he is a YES man to !
>>
>> --
>> OG
>>
>> Le 2 juin 05, à 20:19, Frederic Madre a écrit :
>>
>>>  clemos you are bitter because you have lost the election, I am happy
>>> because this is the first time in my life that a majority of people
>>> vote
>>> like me and
>>> this is totally ON topic
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Sympa Owner [mailto:sympa at kilby.copyleft.no] On Behalf Of 
>>>> clemos
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:19 PM
>>>> To: syndicate at anart.no
>>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] FW: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les
>>>> Pays-Bas rejettent le traité constitutionnel européen
>>>>
>>>> mh
>>>>
>>>> thank you for posting such interresting, intelligent, useful and
>>>> topic-related messages (reminder:Syndicate network for media culture
>>>> and media art)
>>>>
>>>> please let the constitution alone ...
>>>> it's done, it's dead,
>>>> and actually I deeply don't care if it makes you happy or sad
>>>>
>>>> maybe it's time to go further, and leave those fake and unusefull
>>>> debates which have bugged us for at least 3 month ...
>>>>
>>>> moreover, I guess it's not the moment to be that happy, as actually,
>>>> those 'no' votes makes the whole european situation exactly the same
>>>> as it was before, which is not so satisfying...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/1/05, Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com> wrote:
>>>>> wouah!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
>>>>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:25 PM
>>>>> Subject: [syndicate] FW: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les
>>>> Pays-Bas rejettent
>>>>> le traité constitutionnel européen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hooray!
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Subject: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les Pays-Bas rejettent le
>>>>>> traité constitutionnel européen
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>>>>>> LE MONDE.FR : URGENT
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>>>>>> mercredi 1 juin 2005
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>>>>>> Les Pays-Bas rejettent le traité constitutionnel européen
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>>>>>> Selon une estimation sortie des urnes de l'institut
>>>>>> Interview/NSS, 63 % des électeurs néerlandais ont dit non par
>>>>>> référendum à la Constitution européenne. (AFP)
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