Re: [syndicate] FW: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les Pays-Bas rejettent le traité constitutionnel européen

[clemos]

ctgr, always here to push the debate to a higher level I see.

anyway, I excuse you, and Frederic and Aliette :
all your responses show up that you still stick to unuseful questions
and meaningless problems, which were used as weapons for the last 3
monthes (at least)

I mean : social vs liberal, isn't this topic a crappy stuff that hides
all other problems and truthes ? how long will we (in France) stick on
this poor, out of date duality ?

and to answer to Aliette, I don't think any vote will deeply changes
things about Europe, especially regarding the poorness of the
arguments on both sides. People have voted no because their nation
have difficulties that in my opinion are precisely due to a certain
"lack of Europe", or sometimes have voted no only because they don't
feel friendly with, say, german people, or more often with eastern
europe people... and voting no to stop liberalism is definitely an
illusion.

and to answer to Frederic : I totally understand that belonging to a
majority make you feel deeply more secure and confortable, but watch
out what this majority is made of

I really don't see what can bring hapiness in the result of those
referendum: the constitution is dead and buried (it is since sunday
night), nothing's changed...

we've gone into a crisis, but I don't feel like anything positive
(have||)will come out of this.

+++++++++
clemos

On 6/2/05, ctgr-pavu. com <ctgr at free.fr> wrote:
> forget B Gates...
> 
> try Galouzeau ...
> he is a YES man to !
> 
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> OG
> 
> Le 2 juin 05, à 20:19, Frederic Madre a écrit :
> 
> >  clemos you are bitter because you have lost the election, I am happy
> > because this is the first time in my life that a majority of people
> > vote
> > like me and
> > this is totally ON topic
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Sympa Owner [mailto:sympa at kilby.copyleft.no] On Behalf Of clemos
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:19 PM
> >> To: syndicate at anart.no
> >> Subject: Re: [syndicate] FW: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les
> >> Pays-Bas rejettent le traité constitutionnel européen
> >>
> >> mh
> >>
> >> thank you for posting such interresting, intelligent, useful and
> >> topic-related messages (reminder:Syndicate network for media culture
> >> and media art)
> >>
> >> please let the constitution alone ...
> >> it's done, it's dead,
> >> and actually I deeply don't care if it makes you happy or sad
> >>
> >> maybe it's time to go further, and leave those fake and unusefull
> >> debates which have bugged us for at least 3 month ...
> >>
> >> moreover, I guess it's not the moment to be that happy, as actually,
> >> those 'no' votes makes the whole european situation exactly the same
> >> as it was before, which is not so satisfying...
> >>
> >> On 6/1/05, Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com> wrote:
> >>> wouah!!!
> >>>
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> >>> From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
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> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:25 PM
> >>> Subject: [syndicate] FW: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les
> >> Pays-Bas rejettent
> >>> le traité constitutionnel européen
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> >>> hooray!
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> >>>> Subject: Dernière minute - Urgent : Les Pays-Bas rejettent le
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> >>>> Les Pays-Bas rejettent le traité constitutionnel européen
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> >>>> Selon une estimation sortie des urnes de l'institut
> >>>> Interview/NSS, 63 % des électeurs néerlandais ont dit non par
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