From aart at eunet.yu  Sat May  1 08:48:06 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:48:06 -0700
Subject: WELCOME TO EU-ROPE
Message-ID: <003c01c42f48$42e0dc40$ec06f0d5@tisma>

Click on each star in the circle in order to see its equivalent in the reality, in the past and today.
Welcome to Europe!
http://www.webheaven.co.yu/EU/eurostars.htm
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From aart at eunet.yu  Sat May  1 08:48:06 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:48:06 -0700
Subject: WELCOME TO EU-ROPE
Message-ID: <003c01c42f48$42e0dc40$ec06f0d5@tisma>

Click on each star in the circle in order to see its equivalent in the reality, in the past and today.
Welcome to Europe!
http://www.webheaven.co.yu/EU/eurostars.htm
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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sat May  1 03:48:07 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 03:48:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] \\ komun!kat!ng vezelz
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From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 06:08:28 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 00:08:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: small rhymed grep poem
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405010008200.9569@panix2.panix.com>




small rhymed grep poem


moving and scanning the scene over and over gain
now i will begin again
imperialist, a supporter of the empire. imperialistic, pertain
and rest without a passion; but the chain
is broken evermore, to bind again,
all dreams are related and certain
opening and closing curtain
seem thank their borning
this morning
sore, but i am happy listening
moving and scanning
stuff in the world donesn't mean a damn thing in relation to the learning
they were fucking running
meaning
pertaining
maddening
opening
moving
the back of a truck someone was driving
i'm at a loss, having
small breathing / closing
and edward singing
opening and closing


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From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 06:34:20 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 00:34:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: despair
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405010034120.10543@panix3.panix.com>




despair


raising
alan_. says, "sonheim/tiffany textualising"
keep on living.
forting of a child; it is a kindness and a space of giving
christine, i had a dream that we were driving
holds, collapses the body; leaning in toward the screen; the mutilated
taneously, and perhaps over billions of years oxygenated
operate, but is operated
game played in a concrete topography delineated
cuperated
alan_. says, "everything is interpenetrated
alan_. says, "returned it next day ... fully annotated
alan_. says, "position of unease ... asociated
slams through lag - when i'm isolated
later that same night, now into morning, i motivated
is _literally_ a dirty word, associated
york-time remained evident and subsumed, easily calculated
control, partly lagged/frozen/inundated
stream from your cock, cells burst into oxygenated
to it all; it's not that complicated
down" by human operators. the pixeled numbers are striated
what has created
uncanny or imaginary ghosts wandering
there on cuseeme screen, pensive face turning, stuttering
laughing, crying, speaking, murmuring, whispering
covering
she paused, pen poised, remembering
becomes something else, eh, it becomes just a form of meandering
about it; there's nothing else, no content to it, just wondering
are entering
of discomfiture, defuge, the gathering
sloganeering
back on it was the phantom clicking of the answering
the hole is given by the rim, the delineation
the rim job is the locus of labor in the hole, absorption / annihilation;
the rim job is the labor of supplication and fulfillment, recuperation
dust is atmospheric, existing in alliance with the air. radiation
from surface to surface, defines surface, contributes to the formation
shuttling information
phors go only so far. radiation
tions - extinctions, pollutions, desertification
economies, the ravagings of human occupation
interpretation
was one of desolation
saying a single word, he looked at me with eyes of desperation


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From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 10:28:03 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 04:28:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SYN Attack @ Panix
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405010427380.13713@panix3.panix.com>


it ended now script kiddy gone to bed

SYN Attack @ Panix

Sat May  1 00:32:07 EDT 2004
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59812       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59813       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59818       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59819       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59821       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59822       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59823       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59824       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59828       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59829       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59830       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59832       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59833       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59834       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59835       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59837       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59838       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59839       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59840       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59842       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59844       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59845       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59846       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59848       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59849       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59850       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59851       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59853       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59855       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59856       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59857       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59859       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59860       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59862       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59865       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59866       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59867       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59868       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59870       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59871       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59872       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59874       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59879       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59882       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59883       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59885       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59887       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59889       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59891       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59892       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59893       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59894       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59895       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59896       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59898       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59899       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59901       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59902       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59903       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59904       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59907       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59908       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59909       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59916       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59917       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59920       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59925       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59927       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59928       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59929       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59933       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59936       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59937       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59938       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59939       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59941       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59942       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59943       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59945       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59946       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59951       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59956       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59958       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59959       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59961       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59962       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59964       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59965       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59966       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59967       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT


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From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 11:22:50 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 05:22:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: epic and machinic
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405010522420.6833@panix3.panix.com>



epic and machinic

motivations towards the machinic, interpenetrated
a mess for the most part although the moderated
which i have elaborated
degenerated
there is little necessity for totality except that which may be generated
the same post in carets/quoted,_ hence _remade, returned, recuperated
wasn't a problem but speed certainly was far and beyond its rated
crashed other systems. it had to be removed. it infiltrated
turned whatever one wanted to hear. it crated
hoppers, heated, iced, refrigerated
if anideological thrust possessed serrated
iterated
valentine's day will be celebrated
like john giorno with his doubled-up pasty columns of reiterated
nietzsche, and barthes; lingis' exhilerated
isn't. the old eiaj reel-to-reel tape has deteriorated
wherever he liberated
operate, but is operated
ion. it's got to be me. i'm a whore, a desecrated
in a pipe immobilized, saturated
you asked me to start first. i'm feeling very frustrated
of the image produced by the light microscope, and the exaggerated
please, defuge set in; that you berated
leap or arch, or that is the acculturated
accelerated
internet. the front page of this is illustrated
shell, that is to say ectoplasm migrated
the audience sees a beautifully decorated
television. i had a circle of friends who tolerated
demonstrated
ther generated by the machine-ab-nihilo, procreated
are concentrated
teeth grated
screen, prostrated
theses,' but more integrated fieldings. and i find a way to read machine
while hot jenny and i double fisted. her thick clit penetrated
ings of contracted and suppurated
brought forth in creation as the desire for language is consecrated
that such triplicated
smeared - almost obliterated
of bruises, lacerated
exasperated
new symbolisms, large areas of it elaborated
places, not spaces, open elements, line segments somewhat obliterated
and there is no guarantee that this word is properly transliterated
newold separated from kamikuko, you'd have nikuko, and if sin separated
naked and castrated
theory is enumerated
children - was evident, as if it repeatedly struck the incarcerated
unpopular in high-school and hung out with a few punks who tolerated
i'm concerned, i'm very concerned thank you! it's r-rated, not x-rated
problematic of post-modern identities, looped, eviscerated
revising einstein - once he demonstrated
virtual sexuality will become integrated
unadulterated
of signs reverberated
making substitutions all over the place,and have collaborated
here we are cooperating. this person has cooperated


From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 16:59:49 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 10:59:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Full Disclosure Unemployment 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405011059380.13542@panix3.panix.com>




Full Disclosure Unemployment


04/25/2004	$101.25	$101.25	1 	04/26/2004	Payment
04/18/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	04/19/2004	Payment
04/11/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	04/12/2004	Payment
04/04/2004	$101.25	$101.25	1 	04/05/2004	Payment
03/28/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	03/29/2004	Payment
03/21/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	03/22/2004	Payment
03/14/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	03/19/2004	Payment
03/07/2004	$303.75	$303.75	3 	03/08/2004	Payment
02/22/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	02/23/2004	Payment
02/15/2004	$303.75	$303.75	3 	02/17/2004	Payment
02/01/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	02/03/2004	Payment
01/25/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	01/26/2004	Payment
01/18/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	01/20/2004	Payment
01/11/2004	$202.50	$202.50	2 	01/16/2004	Payment
01/04/2004	$405.00	$405.00	4 	01/05/2004	Payment
12/28/2003	$101.25	$101.25	1 	12/30/2003	Payment
12/21/2003	$202.50	$202.50	2 	12/22/2003	Payment
12/14/2003	$202.50	$202.50	2 	12/15/2003	Payment
12/07/2003	$303.75	$303.75	3 	12/12/2003	Payment
11/30/2003	$303.75	$303.75	3 	12/12/2003	Payment
11/23/2003	$405.00	$405.00	4 	12/12/2003	Payment
11/09/2003	$303.75	$303.75	3 	12/12/2003	Payment
11/02/2003	$101.25	$101.25	1 	12/12/2003	Payment
10/12/2003	$202.50	$202.50	2 	10/14/2003	Payment
10/05/2003	$101.25	$101.25	1 	10/06/2003	Payment

The maximum I make a week is $405. If I work (telecommuting for scoring
GRE essays), I make $150/day. I make about 20k a year. I will be down to
10k a year after unemployment runs out 5/23.


_


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 00:48:48 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 00:48:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ 
Message-ID: <200405012248.i41MmmF49899@www.god-emil.dk>






\+\ FUCK THE .EU BARBARIC MOTHER FUCKERS' INVASION as well





May 1, 6:47 PM (ET)
By ROBERT H. REID 

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council demanded Saturday that Iraqi authorities investigate reports that American guards abused inmates in the very prison where Saddam Hussein's regime tortured opponents.

As international condemnation intensified, the scandal broadened with a British newspaper publishing new photographs of a hooded Iraqi prisoner, who reportedly was beaten and humiliated by British troops. The Daily Mirror's front page showed a soldier apparently urinating on the prisoner, who was sitting on the floor.

Also Saturday, The New Yorker magazine said it obtained a U.S. Army report that Iraqi detainees were subjected to "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.

Those abuses included threats of rape and the pouring of cold water and liquid from chemical lights on detainees, said the internal report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba. Detainees were beaten with a broom handle and one was sodomized with "a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick," the report said, the magazine reported in its May 10 issue.

Col. Jill Morgenthaler, spokeswoman for the U.S. command here, said Taguba had prepared an internal report but she could not comment on its findings because they were classified.

Many Arabs in neighboring countries accuse the United States of having double standards on human rights and say the issue will rally support for Islamic fundamentalists.

The new allegations are expected to fuel a growing sense of outrage that swelled in Iraq after the release of shocking pictures showing prisoners being humiliated by their U.S. captors - who invaded Iraq last year to liberate the country from Saddam's tyranny.

Although the pictures have not been widely published by Iraqi newspapers, many Iraqis have seen them on Arabic-language satellite television stations, such as Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya.

"After what we saw, all Iraqis will attack them now," Abdulilah Mohammed, a 55-year-old Baghdad street vendor, said of the Americans.

Some photos, aired first on CBS'"60 Minutes II," showed two U.S. soldiers standing near the prisoners, smiling and clowning for the camera.

Another showed a hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his hands. CBS said the prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted, although the wires were not connected to a power supply.

"The Governing Council should investigate this, because it is the legitimate authority responsible for protecting the Iraqis," council member Sondul Chapouk told The Associated Press. "During Saddam's time we rejected such acts, and after the liberation we still reject them."

Another council member, Ghazi Mashal Ajil al-Yawer, said the perpetrators must be punished "as war criminals" because "the dignity of an Iraqi citizen is no less than the dignity of an American."

Council member Mahmoud Othman, a member of the pro-U.S. Kurdish minority, warned that the allegations had harmed the U.S. military's image in Iraq.

"The Saddam era was full of executions and torture, and we want the new Iraq clean of such images," he said.

U.S. officials here and in Washington have expressed outrage over the alleged abuse at Abu Ghraib, notorious during Saddam's era as a center of torture, rape and murder.

"Their treatment does not reflect the nature of the American people," President Bush said Friday. "That's not the way we do things in America. I didn't like it one bit."

The U.S. military was investigating the alleged abuse of prisoners well before the pictures emerged, and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, ordered a criminal probe in January.

Six U.S. soldiers face courts-martial in the case. Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade, and at least seven others have been suspended from their duties.

Morgenthaler, the U.S. spokeswoman, said in an e-mail that three of the six soldiers facing courts-martial have completed their Article 32 hearings - the military equivalent of a grand jury proceeding. In all cases, the adjudicating officer recommended that charges go forward to general courts martial.

The Daily Mirror report quoted unidentified soldiers as saying the unarmed captive shown in its photograph was threatened with execution during eight hours of abuse and was left bleeding and vomiting. They said the captive was then driven away and dumped from a moving vehicle, and his fate was unclear.

"If it happened, it's completely unacceptable," British Prime Minister Tony Blair said. "I think anyone would be sickened by any thought that coalition troops had abused Iraqi prisoners."

British Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram promised an inquiry by the Royal Military Police.

Britain's The Independent newspaper, which opposed the war, wrote in an editorial: "These images have served to inflame opinion in Iraq, throughout the Middle East and beyond, confirming for many Muslims, rightly or wrongly, the view that Americans hold them in contempt."

The Daily Telegraph newspaper, which backed the war, described the pictures as "shocking."

Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, whose country holds the European Union presidency, said, "We are all appalled by the pictures." He said the soldiers deserve protection under the Geneva Conventions.

Such comments have done little to assuage anger among Iraqis, many of whom are chafing under foreign rule. Even those most supportive of the U.S. effort fear Americans have lost the moral high ground.

"It is inhumane torture," Majid Karim said. "No one could accept that. Those who are torturing our youth, the prisoners, are Israeli intelligence agents."

Imad Othman, a 29-year-old civil engineer, said that unless the American guards are severely punished, "it will really create a grudge against the Americans and attacks against them will increase."

The pictures could not have appeared at a worse time for the embattled American mission in Iraq, already reeling from the bloodiest month since the Iraq conflict began in March 2003. 



















From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 01:08:36 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 01:08:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
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>Standing on the rubble of their home, his wife raised her hands to the sky and called on God to take revenge on President Bush.


simply stupid occident MOTHER FUCKERS will laugh mais ... it always perplexes how things swirl outside 
the 1st world concentrated obesity simply inferior ugly MOTHER FUCKERS camp






>"Why did they come thousands of miles to destroy our homes, kill our sons and drive out our families? Their war is against Muslims," she said. 


hmm ... to bring you closer to you known whom 2x !!!!!!!












From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May  2 01:39:03 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 01:39:03 +0200
Subject: Brigads as well
Message-ID: <096d01c42fd5$7e1ce960$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

John Negroponte, famous on Brigads of the death in Nicaragua, Bush senior's
personnal man-weapon, last seventies, is the present as new ambassador of
America hope to stop "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" sent by
Mr Bush junior to Iraq people :

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http://www.coha.org/NEW_PRESS_RELEASES/New_Press_Releases_2004/04.20_Negroponte.htm

1730 M Street NW, Suite 1010, Washington, D.C.  20036
Phone:  202-216-9261  Fax:  202-223-6035
Email: coha at coha.org   Website: www.coha.org
Council On Hemispheric Affairs
Monitoring Political, Economic and Diplomatic Issues Affecting the Western
Hemisphere
Memorandum to the Press 04.20Tuesday, April 27, 2004

Word Count: 5,008
ATTENTION
Senate Foreign Relations Committee is right now holding confirmation
hearings on John Negroponte to be U.S. ambassador to Iraq. COHA is here
re-releasing its memorandum issued last Thursday on Negroponte's
controversial stint as ambassador to Honduras, 1981-85.

Negroponte: Nominee for Baghdad Embassy, a Rogue for all Seasons

·        Negroponte pressed Powell to pressure Chile's and Mexico's
weak-willed leaders to discharge their U.N. ambassadors over Iraq votes.
·        Negroponte has a sordid human rights record in Honduras.
·        A Cruel Joke: Negroponte, the arch authoritarian, teaching
democracy to the Iraqis.
·        Life under Saddam somewhat prepares you for the Negroponte era.
·        Senate Foreign Relations Committee unlikely to closely scrutinize
Negroponte nomination.
·        Like the earlier nominations of Otto Reich, John Bolton and Roger
Noriega, Secretary of State Colin Powell will have no trouble in describing
this villain as an "honorable" man.

President Bush confirmed recent rumors by announcing on Monday that John D.
Negroponte was being nominated to become this country's ambassador to Iraq,
a post that he would assume on June 30, when sovereignty ostensibly will be
transferred to Iraqi authorities.  But the Negroponte nomination must be
seen as a profoundly troubling one since the same nagging questions which
were present during the summer of 2001, when Negroponte was nominated to be
U.S. ambassador to the UN, continue to persist.  Enough time apparently has
passed since a number of accusations first surfaced concerning Negroponte's
profound moral derelictions (which at least date back to the time that he
served as U.S. ambassador to Honduras (1981-85)), for these again to be
thoroughly aired.  But if the past is any precedent, Negroponte will sail
through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the full Senate as if he
was a Happy Warrior rather than the immoral reprobate that his record
undeniably portrays him as being.  Since then, Washington's ability to slip
into political amnesia regarding his reprehensible actions in Honduras will
now once again be at play.

The central fact to the Negroponte story is that he misled Congress when
some of its members attempted to question him about his complicity in
helping to cover up his knowledge and direct personal involvement in the
training, equipping and distracting attention from the heinous acts of
Battalion 316, the Honduran death squad which at the time of Negroponte's
residence in Honduras was responsible for the murder of almost 200 Honduran
dissidents opposed to their country being used as an "unsinkable aircraft
carrier" in the U.S.-backed Contra war against Nicaragua's leftist
Sandinistas.


Negroponte Arrives in Tegucigalpa
Negroponte replaced Jack Binns, who had been President Carter's ambassador
to Honduras during 1980-81, after Binns had spoken out against mounting
evidence of major human rights violations occurring in that country against
political dissidents who dared to speak out against the growing involvement
of Honduras in the secret Contra war against Sandinista Nicaragua.  He made
references to activities that were being carried out by a shady operation
which came to be known as Battalion 316.  A big part of this story is the
flawed annual human rights reports, prepared every year by U.S. embassies
around the world, which had to be presented to Congress under terms of the
Foreign Assistance Act.  When it came to Honduras, this report was
significantly expurgated, first in Tegucigalpa by Negroponte, and then once
again after it reached Washington by then Assistant Secretary of State for
Humanitarian Affairs, the infamous Elliot Abrams.  Abrams, an obsessive cold
warrior, had as little sympathy for human rights issues in Honduras as he
was in favor of them when it came to Cuba.  This operation subverted the
law, and Abrams eventually confessed to his role in the Iran-Contra war, but
was later pardoned by the first President Bush.  This dominated Honduran
realities during the early 1980s, which were to further deteriorate during
Negroponte's ambassadorial stint.  The new ambassador's mission was to
ensure that the steady stream of U.S. aid to Honduras, aimed at preventing
the spread of Communism by Sandinista Nicaragua, was to continue at any
cost.  Years later, in 1995, a former junior political officer, who had
worked in the embassy under Negroponte, came forth with serious accusations
concerning the human rights lapses of the Honduran army in the annual human
rights report he was required to draft during the Negroponte era.  This
report was meant to be sent to Congress, but he claimed the charges had been
eliminated or transformed by others by the time that the report had reached
its ultimate destination.


Negroponte Doctors Human Rights Reports
There is no question that Negroponte and the rest of the senior embassy
personnel must have known about the disappearances and tortures of Honduran
leftists since some of the most widely-distributed newspapers in the country
carried at least 318 stories about such military abuses in 1982 alone.
Negroponte also had direct contact with General Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, by
then the chief of the Honduran armed forces and the secret head of Battalion
316.  Negroponte himself has insisted that on occasion he requested the
release of a torture victim when the story was close to breaking in the U.S.
press.  This happened in the 1982 case of the arrest and torture of
journalist Oscar Reyes and his wife, Gloria.  Clearly, Negroponte and the
embassy knew enough about these cases to act appropriately on occasion and
when compelled by circumstances to do so.


Negroponte Introduces the Hard Line
The replacement of Binns by Negroponte reflected a shifting foreign policy
strategy for Central America, witnessed by the introduction of the Reagan
administration's hard-line policy and its implementation by Elliot Abrams;
regarding Honduras, it was represented by the zealotry of the ambassador in
Tegucigalpa, John Negroponte.

Negroponte's objective in Honduras was eerily familiar to the Bush
administration's present goal in Iraq.  The U.S. government, again, is
attempting to implement a democratic format in a country that has not yet
chosen to do it on its own, and not necessarily by democratic means.  To
implement this complex task will inevitably create a less than ideal
situation for the ambassador to fulfill his instructions.  But given
Negroponte's well-practiced M.O. of dark box chicanery, the spread of false
information and outright lying, it is doubtful that he will be any less
controversial or contrived in his task of successfully introducing democracy
in Iraq than he was in Honduras, perhaps because "democracy" is not exactly
his stigmata.  John Negroponte is preeminently an-ends-justifies-the-means
operator.  He repeatedly in the past has proven that he is willing to employ
practices which seem to be the antitheses of the definition of "democratic",
in democracy's good name.  Negroponte's career has been one where in his
professional life he has shown a willingness to use authoritarian means to
professedly advance democracy.


Which Man is Negroponte?
To his admirers, Negroponte is a distinguished career senior foreign service
officer who has served his country well in a number of important posts.  To
his detractors, Negroponte is a blunt, self-serving opportunist who
aggressively (to a point well past overkill) took on what he perceived as
being the ideological ethos of whatever administration he was serving at the
time, even if it meant stretching credulity, ethics and personal honesty to
the breaking point.  Perhaps a more accurate assessment of his performance
is that he misused his authority and egregiously flouted decent standards of
professional behavior, while scarcely looking backwards.  Rather than a
paragon of democratic virtues, Negroponte is a man who has to be seen as the
anti-Christ of democracy, repeatedly dragging its noble cause through offal.
Negroponte's nomination, along with the earlier appointments of Cold War
stalwarts such as Otto Reich and Elliot Abrams, as well as Senator Helms'
protégé, Roger Noriega, to key hemispheric posts by President Bush,
represents a throwback to an era when human rights and democratic processes
were routinely suffered in the name of halting purported efforts by Moscow
to expand Communism throughout the hemisphere.

To Iraqis used to Saddam Hussein's inflexible rule, his cynicism and
indifference to the suffering of others, Negroponte's arrival in Baghdad
will require no prolonged adaptation to the rule or style of America's new
pro-consul in the country.  They will have exchanged one man on horseback
for another.  For those who are familiar with his professional history, it
will take a clothespin on one's nose for his Iraqi audience to stomach any
speech that he makes touting democracy.


Negroponte's Recent Past
After Negroponte had been nominated for the U.N. Ambassadorship, he was
scheduled for a potentially withering cross-examination by his detractors on
the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for his actions in Honduras, as part
of his confirmation hearings that were being conducted for that post.  But
he was spared any further scrutiny by the occurrence of 9/11 and the
overpowering feeling in the Senate that the U.S. must quickly fill the
existing UN vacancy, by a peremptory vote.  Thus, rather than be submitted
to exacting querying, the process then turned out to be little better than a
pro-forma interrogation.

This scenario is sure to be replicated when it comes to the Iraq post.  The
nomination is another in a series of disturbing foreign relations moves by
the Bush administration and the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, which has
had its ramifications when it comes to Latin America.  After all, Negroponte
played a key role when it came to manipulating a string of weak leaders in
Mexico and Chile in order to persuade them to fire their respective
ambassadors to the UN because they opposed Negroponte's position on Iraq.
Negroponte's complicity in efforts to obtain the discharge of Mexico's
ambassador Adolfo Abullar Zinnser and Chile's Juan Gabriel Valdes scarcely
differed from his purported perjured testimony in which he covered up the
full extent of his knowledge of the human rights abuses committed by the
Honduran military during his stay in that country, and his testimony over
the details of his involvement in the Iran-Contra scandal.  He also admitted
to the illicit diversion of U.S. aid to Honduras for the Contra forces,
which normally should have disbarred any attempt to let him into a higher
posting.  Unfortunately, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and its
chairman can be counted on to do themselves little honor by trivializing
their advice and consent responsibility when it comes to sending off this
appointee to Baghdad.

General Luis Alonso Discua Elivir, a former Honduran death squad commander
who claimed that he would "spill the beans" on Negroponte unless his family
was allowed to remain in this country, had his U.S. visa revoked in 2001.
It would be perhaps of interest to hear this man's testimony and have
Negroponte respond to the huge amount of material implicating him in playing
a sedulously deceitful role after being posted to Honduras.  Despite an
abundance of reporters, scholars and former governmental officials who have
publicly raised questions about Negroponte's record, no public witnesses
were invited to try to establish before the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee that Negroponte was not qualified for his appointment to the UN
post.  Therefore, what should have been an occasion of close scrutiny over
serious charges of malfeasance in office, will instead be afforded no better
than a cursory screening which will be more of a celebration than an
examination.


Complicity with Death Squad Leaders
            During his ambassadorship in Honduras from 1981 to 1985,
Negroponte was known to have close working ties to that nation's most
egregious local abuses of human rights.  One of the most notable of these
unsavory characters was then-Colonel Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, at the time
Honduras' military chief and the de facto strongman of the country.
Promoted to general, Alvarez was later assassinated after returning from the
U.S., where he had sought refuge from his senior military colleagues, who
purportedly later had him murdered after he had refused to share with them
the alleged large bribes that he had received via the U.S. embassy.  This
largesse was a reward for facilitating the conversion of his country into a
base to wage the Contra war against the incumbent leftist Sandinista
government in Nicaragua.

           Alvarez was perhaps most infamous for his close connections to
the death squad that became know as Battalion 316.  This Alvarez-created
unit, which received training in torture techniques from Argentine 'dirty
war' veterans and the CIA (according to the Pulitzer prize-winning Baltimore
Sun series which in part examined Negroponte's controversial role in
Honduras), is widely suspected of "disappearing" over 180 suspected
"subversives" in the early 1980s.  At the time, any Honduran opposed to that
country's use as a staging ground for President Reagan's anti-Sandinista
campaign was generally considered a "subversive."


Promoting Human Rights to Save Face
            In response to recurrent journalist inquiries, as well as in
formal proceedings, Negroponte repeatedly has denied or minimized any
knowledge of charges that the Honduran military was behind the death squads
and that such a force as Battalion 316 even existed.  Negroponte's attempts
to dismiss the role of death squads have been undermined by his later boasts
that, quite to the contrary, he personally intervened in a number of
instances to secure the release of politically sensitive detainees being
held by Honduran authorities.  Even if one grants this claim, such behavior
on Negroponte's part was the exception rather than the rule, and perhaps is
an indication of how he could have saved many more lives, if he had used his
plenary position in Honduras to be a true advocate of human rights and human
decency.

            One such apparently rare occasion in which he professedly
intervened involved journalist Oscar Reyes, who was abducted after writing
numerous articles critical of the Honduran military.  Former U.S. embassy
spokesman Cresencio Arcos has verified that in July of 1983, Negroponte
approached General Alvarez about his apprehensions over the just
"disappeared" Reyes.  It should be recalled that Arcos himself, as the
embassy press officer, has been repeatedly accused by scholars studying
Honduras during that epoch, of knowingly distributing false information to
U.S. journalists stationed in Honduras at the time, and that he had entered
into a familial relationship with a politically important Honduran family,
allegedly not keeping his personal life entirely separate from his official
responsibilities.

Prompted by protests from university students and a rash of newspaper
publicity on Reyes at the time, it is unlikely that Negroponte's request for
the journalist's release was principally motivated by abiding human rights
concerns.  Rather, the impetus for such singular concern in this case almost
certainly was the fear that widespread coverage of the Reyes kidnapping
could eventually make headlines in U.S. newspapers and bring unwanted
publicity to his ambassadorship and the skullduggery in which it was
involved.

            Recently released declassified documents that had been requested
by the Senate for the Negroponte hearing were always on Negroponte's mind
because they repeatedly articulated a concern over any bad publicity that
could becloud his reputation.  An undesirable outcome of this kind would
have hardened opposition to President Reagan's extremely controversial
policy of trying to suck Honduras into the Contra war in exchange for secret
bribes to a number of that country's political and military officers, as
well as hundreds of millions in U.S. funds being allocated for economic and
military assistance programs to the Honduran regime.

            Another high-profile case in which Negroponte claims to have
intervened was the disappearance of a suspected leftist, Inés Murillo.  A
number of reports at the time stated that a U.S. Embassy (or perhaps a CIA)
official had visited the Honduran torture facility known as INDUMIL, where
Murillo was being held and tortured.  The daughter of a prominent local
family, Murillo's parents were relentless in trying to locate their
daughter, even taking out a full-page advertisement in the Honduran
newspaper, El Tiempo.  Negroponte professedly vocalized concern over Murillo
's status, again fearing bad press coverage, and brought up the matter when
meeting with Honduran officials.  Four days later, Murillo was, in effect,
narrowly saved from a certain death when she was publicly sentenced to two
years in prison.


Contra Connections
            Starting in the early 1980s, Hondurans had become the primary
U.S. support base for the Contra war.  The Honduran Army provided facilities
and logistical support in a swath of territory adjacent to Nicaragua which
became known as "Contraland." Honduran channels were also used to funnel
U.S. funds to the Contras, without disclosing their source, at a time when
such funding to the rebels was prohibited by Congress, but was still flowing
from other U.S. funding sources, including the CIA.

            During his stint in Tegucigalpa, Negroponte expanded the embassy
staff's size ten-fold and it came to house one of the largest CIA
deployments in all of Latin America.  The same scenario inevitably will be
the case in Baghdad once Negroponte initiates his ambassadorship, and
presides over what is being touted as the largest U.S. overseas diplomatic
mission in the world, with anywhere from one to three thousand personnel
being employed there.  Hondurans frequently referred to Negroponte as the
U.S. "proconsul" of the country, as his arrogant and stealthy style of
operating was more like that of an intelligence officer than a traditional
diplomat, redolent of his days as a young agent in Vietnam.  Utilizing this
persona, he was able to guarantee the cooperation of a Honduran base for the
Contra rebel army through his domination of compromised local officials and
institutions.


Negroponte and the Boland Amendment
            Negroponte also played a primary role in organizing such
pro-Contra projects as a regional U.S. counterinsurgency training center at
Puerto Castilla and the construction of the controversial $7.5 million
highway to Puerto Lempira, which passed through a virgin strand of mahogany
trees towards the country's eastern coast.  Such a road would facilitate the
flow of supplies to the U.S.-directed Nicaraguan right-wing contras.  In
spite of U.S. AID regulations stipulating that such a U.S.-funded project
must have an environmental impact study conducted before construction could
commence, Negroponte huffily overruled such legal niceties and resorting to
expletives, ordered the road to be built in spite of the illegalities
involved and the protests of an AID official who had been sent from
Washington to argue his case.  Support of Honduran aid to the Contras at the
time also violated Congressional prohibitions, such as the 1982 Boland
amendment, which banned the use of U.S. funds for "military equipment,
military training or advice, or other support for military activities, to
any group or individual not part of a country's armed forces, for the
purpose of overthrowing the government of Nicaragua or provoking a military
exchange between Nicaragua and Honduras."

            In exchange for General Alvarez's total collusion in support of
Contra operations in Honduras, Washington offered full political and
economic support to that country's corrupt military.  U.S. military aid to
Honduras swelled from $3.9 million in 1980 to $77.4 million by 1984.
Between 1981 and 1986, more than 60,000 U.S. soldiers and members of the
National Guard traversed Honduras in over 50 military exercises meant not so
much to intimidate the Sandinistas as to covertly transfer arms to the
Contras.  Cynically enough, upon recommendation by Negroponte and others,
the Reagan administration obscenely awarded Alvarez the Legion of Merit in
1983 for "encouraging democracy."


By Whatever Means Necessary
            John Negroponte was sent to Tegucigalpa with the mission of
keeping U.S. aid flowing into Honduras for the Contras by whatever means
necessary.  Under Negroponte's direct guidance, the U.S. Embassy in
Tegucigalpa turned a blind eye to glaring evidence of systematic human
rights abuses by Honduran officials.  Recently declassified State Department
papers also reveal the lengths that Negroponte would go to in order to
protect the victimizer, rather than the victims, of human rights abuses.  In
1982 alone, there were over 300 newspaper articles in the Honduran press
reporting the illegal detention of university students and the abduction of
union leaders.  Colonel Leonidas Torres Arias, a disgruntled former
intelligence chief of the Honduran armed forces, stated in a 1982 news
conference that Battalion 316 was indeed a death squad, citing three of its
victims by name.  Efrain Diaz Arrivillaga, a Honduran congressional
delegate, also said that when he spoke about the military's abuses at the
time to Negroponte, he was met with an "attitude.of tolerance and silence."
In addition, organizations such as the Committee of the Relatives of the
Disappeared visited the U.S. embassy to complain that the Honduran military
was holding suspected dissidents in clandestine jails such as INDUMIL, to a
totally unmoved Negroponte.

            Recent reports have further established that Negroponte was very
well aware of human rights abuses in Honduras, and any doubts he had about
individual cases were politically motivated rather than the product of
genuine caution or any high evidential standard.  In Search of Hidden
Truths, co-authored by the Honduran Human Rights Commissioner, documents
recently-declassified reports which provide solid evidence that the U.S. was
minutely aware of human rights abuses committed by the Honduran military in
the 1980s, in spite of Negroponte's persistent claims to the contrary.  In
addition, declassified State Department documents also establish that in
October of 1984, after General Alvarez had been deposed by the Honduran
armed forces, Negroponte's embassy was finally willing to acknowledge that,
"responsibility for a number of the alleged disappearances between 1981 and
March 1984 can be assigned either directly or indirectly to Alvarez
 himself."

            Recently declassified cable traffic indicates a persistent
inclination on Negroponte's behalf to wholeheartedly believe rather pitiable
excuses offered by General Alvarez to explain any human rights abuses.  For
example, in a 1983 letter, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Inter-America
Affairs Craig Johnstone conveyed to Negroponte that a number of guerrillas
had been captured and executed by elements of the Honduran armed forces.
Negroponte's response was to accept General Alvarez's lame excuse that the
six detainees were shot dead while trying to escape.  However, when dealing
with protests coming from human rights activists and political dissidents,
the exact opposite was true when it came to assessing the quality of the
information concerning allegations by Honduran human rights groups, such as
CODEH, on violations by the armed forces.  These were routinely met with
skepticism if not total denial by Negroponte's embassy, and often, by the
ambassador himself.

            Further discrediting Negroponte's bona fides on the country's
human rights situation are statements by Jack Binns, his immediate
predecessor as ambassador to Honduras from 1980 to 1981.  At the time, Binns
warned State Department officials of what he described as "increasing
evidence of officially sponsored and/or sanctioned assassinations of
political and criminal targets."  Binns also has stated that there was no
way for Negroponte not to know the grim facts of life in Honduras.  Thomas
Enders, then Binns' superior as Assistant Secretary of State, has admitted
that he told Binns not to report human rights abuses through official
channels in order to keep U.S. aid flowing in Honduras by any means.  Enders
confessed his transgressions at a later date, something that Negroponte has
failed to do, let alone even consider.


Blatant Contradictions in Human Rights Reports
Instances of disappearances, harassment and abductions of political
dissidents all escalated under Negroponte, yet the annual Human Rights
Reports prepared by the ambassadorial staff for the State Department's
Bureau of Humanitarian Affairs were masterpieces of cunning redaction or
invention, consistently downplaying human rights abuses and denying that any
evidence existed of systematic violations by manipulating language and
statistics.  For example, the 1982 report prepared for the State Department
by Negroponte's staff asserted, "Legal guarantees exist against arbitrary
arrest or imprisonment, and against torture or degrading treatment.  Habeas
Corpus is guaranteed by the Constitution, Honduran law provides for
arraignment within 24 hours of arrest.  This appears to be the standard
practice."  All of this is absolute rubbish, and is not even true today, let
alone in the early 1980s.  In fact, Honduran judicial procedures are
routinely given the worst ratings by Transparency International.  In
reality, extra-legal abductions by the military were rampant at the time and
widely reported as well.  In addition, as was acknowledged in declassified
State Department documents at the time, the judicial system was (and still
is) almost entirely corrupt.  Relatives' requests for information or
visitation rights for imprisoned family members were met with stonewalling,
as court and military officials asserted that there was no record of the
individual being detained, and thus no assistance was given in locating
them.  The U.S. embassy was often asked to help find relatives or use its
influence to gain the individual's release.  Negroponte's awareness of at
least a substantial number of these abductions is beyond dispute.


Honduras or Norway?
            Curiously enough, the aforementioned Reyes case did not even
deserve any mention in Negroponte's 1982 Human Rights Report, despite
widespread media coverage and his self-professed personal involvement.
However, the following was included in the report: "No incidence of official
interference with the media has been recorded for several years."  It was
difficult even for embassy staff in Honduras to take the human rights
reports seriously, as they appeared to be in such blatant denial of what
U.S. officials were witnessing in Honduras on a daily basis.  Rick
Chidester, then a U.S. embassy aide in Honduras, has been quoted as jocosely
wondering at the time whether they actually had not just prepared the human
rights report on Norway.


Promoting Democracy Only When Necessary
            Before being sent to Washington, the embassy's human rights
reports were being carefully edited to clearly correspond to Negroponte's
own ideological sentiments and mission rather than to objective facts.  One
must realize that Negroponte did not look upon the report as being routine,
but rather as a potentially explosive document whose revelations must be
contained.  What is certain is that Negroponte hypocritically set an
incredibly high standard of proof for the inclusion of evidence of any
wrongdoing by Honduran authorities, but repeatedly questioned the legitimacy
of various human rights leaders in the country, which was certainly not in
conformance with existing State Department practices.  Someone with such a
'distinguished' Foreign Service career as is routinely claimed for
Negroponte by those whose capacity for righteous indignation - such as
former Assistant Secretary of State Bernard Aronson and U.N. ambassador
Jeanne Kirkpatrick - is quite low, if it existed at all.  They would surely
have known that in spite of their fulsome praise for Negroponte, such
embassy reports are not intended to be exclusively based on facts and be
admissible in court, but rather are also meant to include anecdotal
information from ordinary citizens and the media concerning human rights
abuses, which were myriad in Honduras at the time, and of which Aronson and
Kirkpatrick have been aware.  Negroponte broke with this practice by
requiring that all testimonies be in the form of public affidavits.  This
criterion could only be met at great risk to the personal safety of those
who wanted to come forward and reveal the truth behind the human rights
violations occurring at the time, but were fearful of doing so.

            The juxtaposition of the Human Rights Reports for Honduras and
Nicaragua provides a striking contrast of exactly what purpose the documents
served.  While the embassy-produced Human Rights Reports for Honduras were
characteristically incredulous over allegations of abuses by the military,
in Sandinista Nicaragua the reports were manipulated to have the U.S. public
believe that atrocities committed by the Sandinista government were of a
gross nature and a daily event, which was far from the truth.  The Embassy
reports provided by Negroponte's office appeared to state whatever was
necessary in order to assuage the concerns of the Democratic majority in
Congress as to what was happening in the area, disregarding the murderous
realities that average Hondurans confronted on a daily basis.  The skewering
of human rights reports thus appear to have been an exceedingly serious
instrument in the Negroponte Embassy's arsenal, aimed at promoting his
full-time efforts to abet the overthrow of the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, and
were not at all intended to strengthen democratic institutions by actually
reporting on human rights violations, or saving lives in that country.
There is ample reason to believe that charges of complicity in the murder of
a Chilean constitutionalist general, that were leveled against Henry
Kissinger in a U.S. court, could very well have been duplicated against
Negroponte in a civil proceeding involving his own lawless behavior.


The Worst Man for the Job
            Negroponte's mental and moral flaws in the area of human rights
should be prompting serious concerns over the disservice that his
appointment would do to the diminished standing of this country's already
tattered reputation over its troubled Iraq policy.  As a would-be harbinger
of democracy to Iraq, it would be little more than a cruel joke to pretend
that this man had a bone of democratic rectitude to him.  Given Negroponte's
tawdry record in Honduras, some observers contend that the original
Negroponte nomination to the UN offered one more example of Secretary Powell
's lack of standards when it comes to State Department policy, and that his
testimonials of the honorable nature of such nominees, as was equally true
of his nomination of Otto Reich, John Bolton and Roger Noriega, whom Colin
Powell defended as "honorable men," are totally at variance with reality.
The nomination of such a tainted figure as Negroponte to one of the most
prominent posts available today to a U.S. diplomat should represent an
insult to the international community, as well as a hollow affront to the
memory of the victims of the Central American wars of the 1980s, and can
only result in a further diminution of the reputation of this country for
civic rectitude at a very difficult moment in its history.


This analysis was prepared by Larry Birns and Jenna Wright, with archival
contributions by Jeremy Gans and Matthew Tschetter

Mr. Birns is the director of the Washington based Council on Hemispheric
Affairs, where the other authors are research fellows.

Issued 27 April, 2004

 The Council on Hemispheric Affairs, founded in 1975, is an independent,
non-profit, non-partisan, tax-exempt research and information organization.
It has been described on the Senate floor as being "one of the nation's most
respected bodies of scholars and policy makers." For more information,
please see our web page at www.coha.org; or contact our Washington offices
by phone (202) 216-9261, fax (202) 223-6035, or email coha at coha.org.

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Stop Human Rights Obstructer John Negroponte
Act immediately to prevent Senate approval of
Negroponte for Ambassador to the UN


This alert is circulated by the:
Nicaragua Network
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Please contact the Nicaragua Network for more information at 202-544-9355 or
nicanet at afgj.org.


Alert Includes:

1. Introduction
2. Background on John Negroponte, nominee for Ambassador to UN
3. Suggested actions (mailing or calling your senator)


1) Introduction
 George W. Bush's presidency has begun with a return to the Reagan-era
agenda. Of concern to those of us in the Latin American solidarity community
has been his unapologetic attempt to revive Cold War diplomacy through the
nomination of former Iran Contra criminals to key diplomatic posts.
Reagan-era Assistant Secretary of State Elliott Abrams has been selected as
the National Security Council's senior director for democracy, human rights
and international operations (a post which does not require Senate
approval). Some might remember that Abrams pled guilty to two misdemeanor
counts of lying to Congress during the Iran Contra hearings and was
subsequently pardoned by George Bush, Sr.

Though we cannot prevent Abrams' return to prominence, we can keep out
former U.S. Ambassador to Honduras John Negroponte who played a significant
role in the CIA-sponsored terrorism of Hondurans during the Nicaraguan
Contra War. The Bush administration has officially nominated Negroponte to
be U.S. Ambassador to the UN, and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is
preparing to hold nomination hearings before the close of July.

This nomination is particularly egregious now that the international
community has issued a vote of no confidence in U.S. human rights promotion
by dropping our country from the UN Human Rights Commission. John Negroponte
deliberately falsified State Department human rights reports throughout his
time in Honduras. U.S. missionaries and many people of faith and conscience
were murdered by the CIA-trained Honduran Battalion 3-16, which Negroponte
at best overlooked and at worst oversaw. His nomination is an outrage, but
sadly, it will pass through with minimal resistance unless constituents do
something about it.

2) Background of John Negroponte
The New York Times credits John Negroponte with "carrying out the covert
strategy of the Reagan administration to crush the Sandinista government in
Nicaragua" during his tenure as U.S. Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 and
1985. He oversaw the growth of military aid to Honduras from $4 million to
$77.4 million a year. In early 1984, two U.S. mercenaries, Thomas Posey and
Dana Parker, contacted Negroponte, stating they wanted to supply arms to the
Contra army after the U.S. Congress had banned governmental add. Documents
show that Negroponte connected the two with a contact in the Honduran
military. The operation was exposed nine months later, at which point the
Reagan administration denied any U.S. government involvement, despite
Negroponte's contact earlier that year. Other documents uncovered a scheme
of Negroponte and then-Vice President George Bush to funnel Contra aid money
through the Honduran government.

In addition to his work with the Nicaraguan Contra army, Negroponte helped
conceal from Congress the murder, kidnapping and torture abuses of a
CIA-equipped and -trained Honduran military unit, Battalion 3-16. No mention
of these human rights violations ever appeared in State Department Human
Rights reports for Honduras. The Baltimore Sun reports that Efrain Diaz
Arrivillaga, then a delegate in the Honduran Congress and a voice of
dissent, told the Sun that he complained to Negroponte on numerous occasions
about the Honduran military's human rights abuses. Rick Chidester, a junior
embassy official under Negroponte, reported to the Sun that he was forced to
omit an exhaustive gathering of human rights violations from his 1982 State
Department report. Sister Laetitia Bordes went on a fact-finding delegation
to Honduras in May 1982 to investigate the whereabouts of 32 Salvadoran nuns
and women of faith who fled to Honduras in 1981 after Archbishop Oscar
Romero's assassination. Negroponte claimed the embassy knew nothing, but in
1996, Negroponte's predecessor Jack Binns reported that the women had been
captured, tortured, and then crammed into helicopters from which they were
tossed to their deaths.

According to the Los Angeles Times, shortly after Negroponte's nomination
was decided, the U.S. government revoked the visa of General Luis Alonso
Discua Elvir, who was Honduras' deputy ambassador to the UN. General Discua
was the commander of the Battalion during Negroponte's tenure as ambassador.
He has publicly claimed to have information linking Negroponte with the
battalion's activities. His testimony would be invaluable in illuminating
Negroponte's collusion with Honduran opponents on Capitol Hill. In 1994, the
Honduran Human Rights Commission charged Negroponte personally with several
human rights abuses.

On August 27, 1997, CIA Inspector General Frederick P. Hitz released a
211-page classified report entitled "Selected Issues Relating to CIA
Activities in Honduras in the 1980s." This report was partly declassified on
October 22, 1998, in response to persistent demands by the Honduran human
rights ombudsman. You can read parts of the document on the National
Security Archives website. Only senators and their staff who have security
clearance can read the report in its entirety. It is absolutely critical
that every senator read and consider the entire report before approving
Negroponte's nomination. Negroponte is highly respected in diplomatic
circles as "a man who speaks five languages but knows when to keep silent."
Due to his urbane temperament and broad support in the professional
diplomatic field, it will be very tempting for senators to whisk his
nomination through.


3) Suggested Actions
In order to effectively oppose Negroponte's nomination and its tremendous
repercussions, grassroots activists must be vigilant in persistently
communicating their opposition with their senators. At this moment, staffers
for senators on the Foreign Relations Committee are gathering materials and
issuing subpoenas for the hearing on Negroponte's nomination. Due to their
placement on the Foreign Relations Committee, the following senators'
support is particularly important:

Joseph Biden (D), DE, Chair 202-224-5042, senator at biden.senate.gov"
Barbara Boxer (D), CA 202-224-3553, senator at boxer.senate.gov
Christopher Dodd (D), CT 202-224-2823, senator at dodd.senate.gov
Richard Lugar (R), IN 202-224-4814, senator_lugar at lugar.senate.gov
Sam Brownback (R), KS 202-224-6521 senator at brownback.senate.gov
Paul Sarbanes (D), MD 202-224-4524, senator at sarbanes.senate.gov
John Kerry (D), MA 202-224-2742, senator at kerry.senate.gov
Paul Wellstone (D), MN 202- 224-5641, senator at wellstone.senate.gov
Charles Hagel (R), NE 202-224-4224, senator at hagel.senate.gov
Robert Torricelli (D), NJ 202-224-3224, senator at torricelli.senate.gov
Gordon Smith (R), OR 202-224-3753, senator at smith.senate.gov
Lincoln Chafee (R), RI 202-224-2921, senator at chafee.senate.gov
Bill Frist (R), TN 202-224-3344, senator at frist.senate.gov
Russell Feingold (D), WI 202-224-5323, senator at feingold.senate.gov
Craig Thomas (R), WY 202-224-6441, senator at thomas.senate.gov

If you don't live in one of these states, please still call your senator as
the nomination will go to the Senate floor for debate and vote if it is
approved in the Foreign Relations Committee.

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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 01:50:42 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 01:50:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405012350.i41Nog150029@www.god-emil.dk>



>The UK must decide what it wants. It has been anti-European for far too long. If you want out of the EU, go ahead. But let the fog clear up please. Welcome back, Eastern European brothers and sisters! This is a fantastic day!
>Lawrence, Brussels, EU



back - as if you are the DIVINE CHOSEN MOTHER FUCKERS 

unconscious racist maggots








From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 01:58:57 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 01:58:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405012358.i41NwvX50050@www.god-emil.dk>


>>The UK must decide what it wants. It has been anti-European for far too long. If you want out of the EU, go ahead. But let the fog clear up please. Welcome back, Eastern European brothers and sisters! This is a fantastic day!
>>Lawrence, Brussels, EU
>
>
>
>back - as if you are the DIVINE CHOSEN MOTHER FUCKERS 
>
>unconscious racist maggots



>How can anyone not rejoice? Onwards to a global union.

How artistic that the same MOTHER FUCKERS komplaining about globalization
are cheering the EU invasion.

As though the occident has any MOTHER FUCKING worth anything to offer.
Backwards MOTHER FUCKERS.












From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 02:16:43 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 02:16:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405020016.i420Ghs50499@www.god-emil.dk>



Whilst new arrivals in EU see an opportunity for their economies by attracting investments and to improve their populations daily bread, the older European country and precisely the capitalism sees fulfilment of the last step on the road of taming their populations. 

Indeed; during the Cold War, European capitalism opted for paying the most part of the comfort of their people so as to maintain a belief in somehow capitalism is better. Now after Berlin wall's fall they don't need to continue in this way and via industrial delocalisation toward these new arrivals they can impose low wages to their population while they delocalise work also. The equation is a levelling down, in other word is time for Europeans to accept the biter reality, time is gone while capitalism pay, now it time to give money back. 
Jacques, Paris



It is rather obvious that the EU was created as a copy of US, in order to be able to compete with the huge US influence in economics and politics. EU has to work out, not because the rich EU countries want to equalize Europe and make it a nice prosperous place for us all, but because they are desperate to gain (or is it regain?) a leading and more influential position in the world and hopefully someday get the place that the US is holding today. 

Since neither Germany, France nor UK can do this by themselves, they need the EU. Why is it all the debate about EU around what the poorer countries have to win from EU, and why do we always avoid talking about what the rich countries' advantages are? Why do we look at these rich countries as the victims of the EU enlargement? 

Who would be so naive to think that they are doing all this (give money to the newcomer EU members, invest in poorer EU countries etc) out of generosity for their poorer neighbours and not for their own interest? Too bad that the states within the EU will never be equal in terms of decision making, or, so to say some will be more equal than others. 

People talk about the economic and income differences between the EU countries, but why don't we talk about the 'below the surface' disparities within the EU? Is the EU really a democratic, capitalistic thing? 
Irina Haivas, Iasi, Romania





The 10 new members have the most to lose by far in this agreement. They have the most economic potential, but their resources will be bought out by wealthier members of the Union. Just as in the United States the rich States will continue to get richer and the poor States will only get poorer no matter how much redistribution of wealth there is. The citizens of the nations like England should be giddy with all the prospects of future economic expansion for their companies and governments. And all you have to give in return is a few low wage jobs to migrants. What a deal.
N Watkins, Washington DC, US




EU expansion is a great idea in theory but since labour restrictions have been applied, basic principles of the EU have been violated. I think Western countries will exploit the Eastern ones; they will take what they want and block what they do not want. EU will never be like the US; 














From arcane at arcanemethods.com  Sun May  2 04:35:53 2004
From: arcane at arcanemethods.com (Bob Cain)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 19:35:53 -0700
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405012358.i41NwvX50050@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405012358.i41NwvX50050@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <40945E89.5040902@arcanemethods.com>



integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

> How artistic that the same MOTHER FUCKERS komplaining about globalization
> are cheering the EU invasion.
> 
> As though the occident has any MOTHER FUCKING worth anything to offer.
> Backwards MOTHER FUCKERS.
> 

Sorry about your coprolalia.  Is there no help possible?


Bob
-- 

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no 
simpler."

                                              A. Einstein


From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May  2 18:36:55 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:36:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Perspectives on Evil -- Issue 4: Reconciliation and Forgiveness
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405021236510.9289@panix3.panix.com>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 22:49:03 +0400
From: Dr. Salwa Ghaly <sghaly at sharjah.ac.ae>
To: walter a davis <davis.65 at osu.edu>, Amosfriedland at aol.com,
     complit01 <complit01 at yahoo.ca>
Subject: Perspectives on Evil -- Issue 4: Reconciliation and Forgiveness


Dear All,

We are pleased to announce that Issue 4 of _Perspectives on Evil and
Human Wickedness_ (PEHW), a special themed edition
entitled "Reconciliation and Forgiveness," is now accessible at
http://www.wickedness.net/ejv1n4.htm

A special thanks to all those of you who contributed articles or art
work.  It has been a pleasure working with each and every one of you.

The next issue is unthemed and slated for Fall 2004 (late November).
For information regarding submissions, visit the journal web site or
write the editors.  Long, short and testimonial articles are sought,
along with art, web art and poetry.  Our journal is still in its
burgeoning phase.  So, please feel free to get involved and to offer
suggestions and feedback.  Letters to the editor appear in a separate
section of the journal.

Thank you for disseminating information on PEHW to colleagues and students.

Kind regards,

Salwa Ghaly
Co-editor
PEHW




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 18:30:29 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:30:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405021630.i42GUTZ51409@www.god-emil.dk>




>hallo
>
>when I use the film.set message with 242.film to select different 
>movs which are loaded, I always receive output of frame number 1 of 
>the mov, regardless of what frame.set message has been specified 
>previously to turning the object on (after putting it in bypass or 
>off (int 0), switching movs, frame.set, then int 1).
>
>is there a way to _not_ have frame one output from 242.film when 
>using film.set message?  

ne.

your options

1. hate it
2. love it
3. leave it


>I would like to  

"[HE] who loves must have the cruelty, the will and the force to destroy pre-loves"


>think you might answer this 
>nato question, I would greatly appreciate it if you could find the 
>time to answer.  thanks very much.

bye bye


szzzzzzzzzzzzz - suffering macht ganz glucklich + frei ... `only very wise lovers know their last station`





                                        the lilac on the table stretched forth
                                        to touch your lids with heavenly blue
                                        and your blue tinted lids
                                            were calm and your hand was warm


                                                                         ||






auriea

>I am God

Open the altar gates 2x














From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 18:37:45 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:37:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405021637.i42GbjV51425@www.god-emil.dk>





>http://www.wickedness.net/ejv1n4.htm


2. The Tragic Nature of Reality
Persons can be guilty of harming others without at any time having malevolent intent.
Furthermore, persons with the best of intentions can harm others. One must come to the
realization that forgiveness may be necessary even if the person or persons to be forgiven could
not have acted otherwise (and at no time possessed malevolent intent). An example of such a
paradoxical scenario would be the person who is unable to love (i.e. that a person is unable to
recognize the true needs of another). Such a person may feign the characteristics he or she simply
does not possess, but will still, in the end, be incapable of loving another.


romantik lv kikx++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



>The tragic nature of such a condition

more occident bla bla. POWER = XYLV











From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May  2 19:38:28 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:38:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: origin of life 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405021338200.4527@panix3.panix.com>



origin of life

10.0.0.200 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 user unknown
Giving up on 10.0.0.200.
warning
do you?

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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 22:45:42 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:45:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405022045.i42Kjg751670@www.god-emil.dk>



we celebrated each moment
of our meetings as a revelation
alone in all the world

you were lighter and bolder than the wing of a bird
flying down the stairs two at a time
pure giddiness leading me through moist lilac

to your domain
beyond the looking glass

when night fell 
i was favored
the altar gates were opened
and in the dark there gleamed
your nudity and slowly bowed
awakening `be blessed` i said
and knew my blessing to be bold

for you still slept

the lilac on the table stretched forth
to touch your lids with heavenly blue
and your blue tinted lids
were calm and your hand was warm



from the book of scents







From media at ezaic.de  Sun May  2 23:19:57 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 23:19:57 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405021630.i42GUTZ51409@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405021630.i42GUTZ51409@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a0600200bbcbb14e11330@[213.23.154.155]>

>
>"[HE] who loves must have the cruelty, the will and the force to 
>destroy pre-loves"

She, who loves accepts the cruelty, the will and the force that 
potentially destroy pre-loves

?


>
>
>szzzzzzzzzzzzz - suffering macht ganz glucklich + frei ... `only 
>very wise lovers know their last station`
>
>
>
>
>
>                                         the lilac on the table stretched forth
>                                         to touch your lids with heavenly blue
>                                         and your blue tinted lids
>                                             were calm and your hand was warm
>
>
>                                                                          ||
>
>
>
>

                                          szzzzzzzzzzzz - simply 
seriously constructed believe system


From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May  3 00:57:45 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:57:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: passion-8
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405021857350.15953@panix2.panix.com>



passion-8

http://www.asondheim.org/passion.mov

a small movie of the Passion of Christ according to me
for which great thanks to Sandy Baldwin
but I will take all responsibility for this depiction
which is so radical I mean it is really 'beyond radical'
but then not like the current right and left
meeting at the nexus or stage of violence and fury
no instead it takes the swooped swooned soul
and send it outward to the outer space of heaven
it is better than good and grander than grand
there are so many good folks to thank
who made me what I am today that I can only send out
a Shout of this film to one and all
now sit back and watch the Action

_


From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May  3 00:58:32 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:58:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: passion-8
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405021857530.15953@panix2.panix.com>



passion-8

http://www.asondheim.org/passion.mov

a small movie of the Passion of Christ according to me
for which great thanks to Sandy Baldwin
but I will take all responsibility for this depiction
which is so radical I mean it is really 'beyond radical'
but then not like the current right and left
meeting at the nexus or stage of violence and fury
no instead it takes the swooped swooned soul
and send it outward to the outer space of heaven
it is better than good and grander than grand
there are so many good folks to thank
who made me what I am today that I can only send out
a Shout of this film to one and all
now sit back and watch the Action

_


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May  3 07:18:33 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 07:18:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405030518.i435IXc52597@www.god-emil.dk>


>>"[HE] who loves must have the cruelty, the will and the force to 
>>destroy pre-loves"
>
>She, who loves accepts the cruelty, the will and the force that 
>potentially destroy pre-loves
>
>?

dar accepta el viata cotidiana +?






From JSalloum at aol.com  Mon May  3 08:41:19 2004
From: JSalloum at aol.com (JSalloum at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 02:41:19 EDT
Subject: Exit Art: Salloum video screenings (iii)
Message-ID: <1d0.1fd7f617.2dc7438f@aol.com>


(as if) beauty never ends.." and other works from the ongoing video project, 
'untitled'

Jayce Salloum videotape screenings at Exit Art
Saturday May 8 - 6:30 & 7:30 pm
475 Tenth Ave.
New York
(212) 966-7745
info at exitart.org


6:30 pm: untitled part 2: beauty and the east
7:30 pm: introduction to the 'untitled' project by Jayce Salloum.
7:50 pm: untitled part 3b (as if) beauty never ends, and untitled part 1: 
everything and nothing

Jayce Salloum will present his "untitled" project, an ongoing videotape 
addressing social and political realities, representations, enunciations, and the 
conditions of living between polarities of culture, geography, history, and 
ideology. In part 1: everything and nothing (1999-2001, 40 mins.), Salloum, 
off-camera, talks with Soha Bechara, the ex-Lebanese National Resistance fighter 
who was detained for 10 years in the notorious El-Khiam torture and 
interrogation center in South Lebanon. In a riveting and intimate conversation, Salloum 
inquires about home, being interviewed to death, resistance, survival, and the 
distance between Paris, where Bechara now lives, and Khiam. In part 2: beauty 
and the east (1999-2002, 50 mins.), Salloum turns obliquely to the former 
Yugoslavia after the NATO bombing. In a kaleidoscope of interviews, refugees, 
migrants, asylum seekers, and cultural producers address topics ranging from 
identity and fascism to nationalism and monsters. In both anecdotal and theoretical 
recountings, they lay out the issues currently at stake in this region of 
displacement and redefinition; their words are located within images of cities and 
landscapes. Also shown will be part 3: (as if) beauty never ends.. (2003, 11 
mins.), in which ambient footage including a montage of orchids blooming and 
material from the site of the 1982 massacres at Lebanon's Sabra and Shatilla 
refugee camps are juxtaposed with the voice Abdel Majid Fadl Ali Hassan (a 1948 
refugee living in Bourg El Barajneh) recounting a story told by the rubble of 
his home in Palestine. The tape permeates into an essay on dystopia in 
contemporary times, and provides an elegiac response to the Palestinian 
dispossession.



---


Since 1975 Salloum has been working in installation, photography, mixed media 
and video, as well as curating exhibitions, conducting workshops and 
coordinating cultural projects. He has lectured internationally and exhibited 
extensively throughout the Americas, Europe, East Asia and the Middle East, at 
institutions including The Museum of Modern Art, New York; American Fine Arts; 
Artists Space; National Gallery of Canada; Canadian Museum of Contemporary 
Photography; Canadian Museum of Civilization; New Langton Arts; Los Angeles Center for 
Photographic Studies; Long Beach Museum of Art; Walker Arts Center; The Wexner 
Center; YYZ Artists Outlet; A Space; Contemporary Art Gallery & Western 
Front, Vancouver; Optica Gallery; Dazibzo; Mois De La Photo à Montréal; Miyagi 
Museum of Contemporary Art; Hara Museum of Contemporary Art; Kunstlerhaus 
Bethanien; Werkleitz Bienniel; Galerie Nationale du Jeu de Paume; American Centre, 
Paris; Cinematheque Française; Institute du Monde Arabe; Espace Lyonnais d'Art 
Contemporain; Shedhalle; Rote Fabrik; Rotterdam International Film Festival; 
Singapore International Film Festival; British Film Institute; Museo Nacional 
Centro De Arte Reina Sofia; Museo de Arte Contemporáneo, Seville; CaixaForum, 
Barcelona; and Théatre de Beyrouth. In 2003 he represented Canada at the 8th 
Havana Biennial.




for more information on Salloum?s work:
www.111101.net/Artworks/JayceSalloum/
www.vdb.org/smackn.acgi$artistdetail?SALLOUMJ
www.civilisations.ca/cultur/cespays/images/pay2_20p5.jpg
www.lot.at/politics/contributions/s_jayce1.htm
www.wwvf.nl/2001/0newarabvideo.htm



video distribution:
Video Data Bank, Chicago, ph:(312) 345-3550, fx:(312) 541-8073, info at vdb.org, 
www.vdb.org
V Tape, Toronto, Canada, ph:(416) 351-1317, distribution at vtape.org, 
www.vtape.org
Video Out, Vancouver, ph:(604)872-8337, videoout at telus.net, www.videoout.ca
Heure Exquise!, France, ph:(33)20-04-95-74, exquise at nordnet.fr, 
www.exquise.org
Argos, Brussels, Belgium, ph:(32) 2 229-0003, fx: 223-7331, 
info at argosarts.org, www.argosarts.org
Lux, London, England, ph: (44 207) 503 3980, info at lux.org.uk, www.lux.org.uk

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From contact at diesel-new-art.com  Mon May  3 13:34:21 2004
From: contact at diesel-new-art.com (Diesel New Art)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:34:21 +0200
Subject: Urgent Call - Diesel New Art reward
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Enter Diesel New Art now if you have any new art work/web site that is
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will be part of the short list for getting 2000 Euro as well as
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May  3 18:17:41 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:17:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405031617.i43GHea53215@www.god-emil.dk>


"They were trying to humiliate us, break our pride. We are men. It's OK if they beat me. Beatings don't hurt us, it's just a blow. But no one would want their manhood to be shattered," he said.

"They wanted us to feel as though we were women, the way women feel and this is the worst insult, to feel like a woman," al-Shweiri said.




more smiles. ameri.cans are making you feel LOVVVVVVVVEEEEE mmmmmmaaaaaan


Allah - turning men into women since time immemorial


the closer a man comes to being a god the closer he comes to being a woman






From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May  3 18:59:53 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:59:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405031659.i43Gxrs53255@www.god-emil.dk>


>>  >>"[HE] who loves must have the cruelty, the will and the force to
>>>>destroy pre-loves"
>>>
>>>She, who loves accepts the cruelty, the will and the force that
>>>potentially destroy pre-loves
>>>
>>>?
>>
>>dar accepta el viata cotidiana +?
>>
>
>est-ce qu'elle acceptera la vie quotidien ?


private conversations = la vie quotidien++


>how tenderness suddenly gets associated to vacuum cleaners and alike ?

da. in epoca `noastra` extraordinar de moderna viata cotidiana este singurul motiv pentru a iubi

zorg este de acord - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090563/
betty a inteles cartile lui, care ridicau viata cotidiana la un nivel literar
in acelasi timp ea a incercat se se ridice la un nivel `divin` - sa fie mama. sa dea viata. dar nu a reusit.
.....


1x aspirator submersed in joy







From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May  3 20:42:31 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:42:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oo distillation
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From to-me at mi2.hr  Mon May  3 22:29:55 2004
From: to-me at mi2.hr (tomislav medak)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:29:55 +0200
Subject: symposium > Group Dynamics > Zagreb - Cultural Kapital of Europe
 3000
Message-ID: <4096ABC3.8070506@mi2.hr>

Zagreb-Cultural Kapital of Europe 3000


GROUP DYNAMICS SYMPOSIUM

06.-09. 05. 2004.
Kino Lika, Ilica 10, Zagreb, Croatia

The international interdisciplinary symposium Group Dynamics explores the
aspects of research and presentation connected to the phenomenon of artist
groups and different aspects of collective work and collectivity. The
symposium is conceived as a commencement of long term addressing of the
issues of organization and self-organization, grouping, collectives and
relating in a wider field of cultural production. As this is a very
heterogeneous phenomenon, we have decided to invite a number of eminent
theatre scholars, but also theoreticians from the fields of philosophy,
architecture, art history, and artists who practice in specific types of
organized groups, to participate in the symposium. 
Topics:
-affects and relations in group work
-self-organization and non-hierarchical forms of public presence
-group politicality
-group as an event
-collectivism
-group utopias
-production of common
-group as a market of interests


Contact:
Ivana Ivkovic
ivanai at net.hr
+385-91-578-8486


Thursday, 6. May 2004

16:00 Gob Squad 
17:00 Ric Allsopp: Itinerant Pages , David Williams: other/wise
18:00 Marten Spangberg: A half-second delay 

21:00 united dancers of ZUGA Walking Home Solo-performance

21:00-24:00 Community Art: Films as a consequence of group
dynamics-invitation to screenings and discussion

* groodanje-A/V team


Friday, 7. May 2004

10:00 Alan Read: Proxy Performance: The Politics of Props 
11:00 Bojana Kunst: Group Jouissance: Organisation of Happiness and
Exhaustion
12:00 Hans-Thies Lehmann: Spaces of 'communitas' in postdramatic theatre
and performance practice

16:00 Charles Esche: Friendly Enemies
17:00 Andrea Kuluncic: Distributive Justice
Georg Schoelhammer- moderation of discussion
18:00 Bojana Cvejic, Emil Hrvatin: Collect-if

21:00 k .o./ex OBEPYU: Private in Vitro-performance

22:00 OOUR: orangecut-performance

21:00-24:00 Community Art: Films as a consequence of group
dynamics-invitation to screenings and discussion

* groodanje-A/V team


Saturday, 8. may 2004

10:00 Adrian Heathfield: Hearing Others
Ric Allsopp, Alan Read, David Williams-discussion
12:00 Nebojsa Jovanovic: Collective and Creativity: Diversion of
Identification
13:00 Miran Mohar: East Art Map

16:00 Tomislav Medak: Incommunicado
17:00 Bojana Cvejic, Ana Vujanovic (TkH)
18:00 Alan Read, Platforma 9,81-live interview

21:00 BADco. Ivana Sajko: RibCage-performance

21:00-24:00 Community Art: Films as a consequence of group
dynamics-invitation to screenings and discussion

* groodanje-A/V team


Sunday, 9. May 2004

10:00 Oda Projesi
11:00 Dragan Zivadinov: Postgravitational Art 
12:00 Aldo Milohnic, Marin Blazevic, Goran Sergej Pristas, Tomislav Medak,
Ivana Ivkovic-discussion

20:00 Gob Squad Room Service Help Me Make it Through the Night-performance
(Hotel Laguna, Kranjceviceva 29)
* a part of the ex UrbanFestival


installations:

Goran Petercol: GOVOR/SPEECH, 2004.
Vlatka Horvat & Tim Etchels: Insults & Praises, 2003.
k. o./ex OBEPYU: work-in-progress-Roland Barthes: Lovers&#8217; discourse



 
Zagreb-Cultural Kapital of Europe 3000 takes place in the framework of
relations
relations is a project initiated by Kulturstiftung des Bundes (Federal
Cultural Foundation, Germany)
www.projekt-relations.de

 
Kontakt. The Arts and Civil Society Program of Erste Bank Group in Central
Europe. 


Symposium supported by:

Gradski ured za kulturu Grada Zagreba
Ministarstvo kulture RH
British Council
Goethe Institute




From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May  4 03:48:10 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:48:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Landscape Sonneta
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405032148010.7917@panix3.panix.com>



Landscape Sonneta

The enormous strombuliform building was shaped like a dwelling in the form
of a top. Yellow-crossgas spewed like mustard gas foaming from the roof.
Next door was a lumper unloading a ship like a workman emptying a boat.
Next to the workman was a grindstone producing swarf and a grinder making
grit. Zygal struts like H-shaped scaffolding connected the swarf-pile to
the lumper-spaddle or workman-shovel. The dataller or daily lumper was in
reality a ruffler or beggar posing as a maimed soldier. His art was buhl
creation like metal inlay. An aeolipile connected to the swarf-maker
relayed its steam-power statistics to the strombuliform structure. Several
lumper noticed suricates or a kind of mongoose stumbling from the yellow.
The horse-touter nearby spoke first. Maladroit lumpers, he proffered with
customary incommunicability, an eleot, or apple-type is yours. The lumpers
carried newels or staircase-parts; neverthemore would they throw the
rodlet. Swellish in swan-skin, they continued their gymnical hackery.


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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May  4 08:34:35 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 02:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fifth] 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405040234280.2797@panix3.panix.com>



[Fifth]

Why I can never sleep and never will know, I won't at this rate, it's a
mystery. I worry the world, continually try to grasp it in its entirety,
miss things left and right, question authority, question the grounds and
desire of authority, generally make things worse - I can't let go, feel I
have to recreate, make the world over and over again... It's an
occurrence, something like an atmosphere that accompanies me, makes
others uneasy as I stumble hopelessly through life. At this point, there
are so many voices, so many scripts of things going wrong - the world not
only falls apart, but it _ceases to exist_ - meaning decathects as
depression and worse set in. This sounds abstract, but isn't; it's
dominated by one or another scenario that compulsively repeats and
develops until the nightmare appears, everything collapses, the story
changes to another, and the cycle repeats. This occurs through sleep and
wakeful states, hypnagogic states as well - it's _there_ as a process in
all its fury. There's no end to it; I'm left in a constant state of
exhaustion, no matter how hard I try to write myself out of it...

Tue May  4 02:32:56 EDT 2004


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From ctgr at free.fr  Tue May  4 11:27:23 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:27:23 +0200
Subject: [pavu.com] laptoPlancha -Adieu commissaire ! 
Message-ID: <3FCD5757-9DAD-11D8-AA3C-000393B03010@free.fr>

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chers confrères et cons?urs,

Tout commence par la politique.
C'est pourquoi il est bon de renouveler le vocabulaire.
C'est donc au Sheriff d'exposition qu'il incombera désormais de 
démontrer que - oui - les arts numériques peuvent être exposés.
Et parce que pareille responsabilité politique ne se prend pas à la 
légère, pavu.com a mis en ?uvre toute son expertise pour identifier les 
prérequis indispensables à son exercice : les outils du Sheriff.

Et pour celles et ceux d'entre vous n'ayant pu assister à la 
présentation de pavu.com le 25 avril au Centre Pompidou

pavu.com présente
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une introduction à la philosophie post prométhéenne
full coverage


wishing you the best always

LA pavu.com Team
http://www.pavu.com/
-/ no need fire to blow the lighter ! /-

???????????????????

Dear friends and colleagues,

Everything begins with politics.
Therefore the lexicon must be renewed.
 From now on, the exhibition Sheriff will be in charge of proving that 
digital arts can indeed be exhibited.
Because such a political responsibility cannot be taken rashly, 
pavu.com did its utmost to identify the essential requirements to such 
an exercise : the Sheriff Tools.

For those of you who couldn't attend the april 25 pavu.com lecture at 
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pavu.com presents
laptoPlancha
an introduction to the post promethean philosophy
full coverage


wishing you the best always

LA pavu.com Team
http://www.pavu.com/
-/ no need fire to blow the lighter ! /-

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From noemata at kunst.no  Tue May  4 12:02:34 2004
From: noemata at kunst.no (The Anyhr-ISBN-PNG Project)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:02:34 +0200
Subject: astpriem j update
Message-ID: <200405041002.i44A2YFp020855@kunst.no>


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From c at ezaic.de  Tue May  4 12:44:26 2004
From: c at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:44:26 +0200
Subject: Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09
Message-ID: <a06002004bcbd243a0373@[82.82.97.208]>

Homage to Artavazd Peleshian

Film screening

Sun 09 May 2004

ZKM-Media Theater | 7.30 pm | ¤ 4,50/2,50


Homage to... is the title the ZKM | Film Institut 
has given to a series of retrospectives devoted 
to prominent figures in the world of the cinema.

The Armenian director Artavazd Peleshian (b. 1938 
in Leninakan) ranks as the last great innovator 
in the field of cinema montage. Jean-Luc Godard 
regards him as the most important contemporary 
film-maker and Francis Ford Coppola has 
unreserved admiration for him. His epoch-making 
oeuvre spanning a period of 40 years comprises 
just 12 films of short to medium length, all of 
which consist only of music and pictures. If a 
film without actors is the definition of a 
documentary film in the broadest sense of the 
word, Peleshian's works have given this genre its 
supreme artistic expression.

he director will be present for the showing of 
nine of his films, which in view of the fact that 
the other three have been lost is tantamount to a 
complete retrospective. It is the first to be 
staged in the German-speaking countries. An 
introduction will be given by Andrei Ujica.



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May  4 13:02:09 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:02:09 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09
References: <a06002004bcbd243a0373@[82.82.97.208]>
Message-ID: <19ef01c431c7$410228d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

oh Great!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "claudia westermann" <c at ezaic.de>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09


> Homage to Artavazd Peleshian
>
> Film screening
>
> Sun 09 May 2004
>
> ZKM-Media Theater | 7.30 pm | ¤ 4,50/2,50
>
>
> Homage to... is the title the ZKM | Film Institut
> has given to a series of retrospectives devoted
> to prominent figures in the world of the cinema.
>
> The Armenian director Artavazd Peleshian (b. 1938
> in Leninakan) ranks as the last great innovator
> in the field of cinema montage. Jean-Luc Godard
> regards him as the most important contemporary
> film-maker and Francis Ford Coppola has
> unreserved admiration for him. His epoch-making
> oeuvre spanning a period of 40 years comprises
> just 12 films of short to medium length, all of
> which consist only of music and pictures. If a
> film without actors is the definition of a
> documentary film in the broadest sense of the
> word, Peleshian's works have given this genre its
> supreme artistic expression.
>
> he director will be present for the showing of
> nine of his films, which in view of the fact that
> the other three have been lost is tantamount to a
> complete retrospective. It is the first to be
> staged in the German-speaking countries. An
> introduction will be given by Andrei Ujica.
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 13:06:22 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Tue,  4 May 2004 13:06:22 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09
In-Reply-To: <19ef01c431c7$410228d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <a06002004bcbd243a0373@[82.82.97.208]> <19ef01c431c7$410228d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083668782.4097792e8ddaa@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> oh Great!

Btw, Aliette
did you unsub from all those horrible moderated mailing lists that were keeping 
you down ? did you, this once, put your feet where your mouth was ?

f.


From replic88t at replic88t.net  Tue May  4 15:24:34 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:24:34 +0100
Subject: replic**t
In-Reply-To: <40978352.3000608@furtherfield.org>
References: <200404291525.i3TFPTG25913@raq3-2.netraxx.de> <40937061.C457D3B6@medialounge.org> <4093E68B.2020402@krokodile.co.uk> <40963ED3.1030805@myrealbox.com> <a05210603bcbc2d9f3818@[10.3.252.43]> <40978352.3000608@furtherfield.org>
Message-ID: <62A00919-9DCE-11D8-B9A4-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>


hello fans, shareholders et all

back, new, all improved, replic**t, version 10.4.3.7.0.1.


see you tonight. 9pm BST

www.furtherfield.org/furtherstudio


x
Replic**t?
A product of her environment.



From eric.m at bobig.com  Tue May  4 18:18:27 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 18:18:27 +0200
Subject: I love you
Message-ID: <4097C253.1040406@bobig.com>

http://www.bobig.com/amour/

Ceci est un projet de Bobig
http://www.bobig.com/daily/projets.htm

rigolote translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bobig.com%2Famour&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools




From media at ezaic.de  Tue May  4 19:04:58 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 19:04:58 +0200
Subject: pour une impatience libre
In-Reply-To: <4097C253.1040406@bobig.com>
References: <4097C253.1040406@bobig.com>
Message-ID: <a06002000bcbd7bd28b06@[82.83.224.72]>


>  03/05/2004 : Envoi de ma première lettre 
>d'amour à Pierre M. J'attends sa réponse avec
>  impatience.



http://www.alchymed.com/articles.asp?id_article=511





From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May  4 20:49:46 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:49:46 +0200
Subject: bilingual explanation instead of panoptical vision
Message-ID: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

(English-US below)

Il est regrettable de devoir annoncer son curriculum vitae comme à devoir
présenter sa carte de visite devant l'attitude obsessionnellement aggravée
et dégradante de monsieur Fabre qui perd son temps à essayer de frimer en
m'humiliant. Il ferait mieux de s'occuper de ses propres affaires, plutôt
que de juger régi par la haine et l'aigreur des textes toujours trop longs
ou d'un d'un mot toujours trop court pour lui puisque ce sont les miens ;
(pour une fois que je faisais court)

Fabre je ne le connais pas, je ne l'ai jamais vu de ma vie, je ne sais même
pas à quoi il ressemble sauf par mail, et il parle de moi comme si nous
avions couché ensemble quand j'étais encore baisable ;-))) Voilà parfois on
a envie de devenir vulgaire devant les orifices aussi étroits d'un si grand
génie qui prétend en raconter à une grand mère, certes vulgaire et certes
indigne...

Tous les curriculum vitae ne sont pas en ligne ni dans les registres ; les
miens peuvent facilement se vérifier en contactant les personnes nommées
ici - sauf les morts.

Je fais partie des gens qui ont soutenu activement- et publié à ce propos
dans une revue de la diaspora - l'association arménienne de Serge Avédikian
né à Erevan émigré en France et qui retourna faire un film de deux heures en
Arménie, "Que sont mes camarades devenus ?" et Jacques Kébadian qui signa le
film qui fut diffusé sur la chaîne de télévision A2 puis rediffusé sur Arte,
respectivement acteur et cinéaste puis producteurs, qui ont fait connaître
en France au début des années 80 aux années 90 la spécificité d'une
sensibilité arménienne dont expérimentale du cinéma soviétique et qui, les
premiers, ont permis d'organiser l'invitation d'Arthur Péléchian en France ;
(son oeuvre s'imposa comme elle se serait de toutes façons imposée
d'elle-même). Par conséquent non content d'avoir partie de son travail, j'ai
pu le croiser sans échange particulier, parce que je me trouvais là... De
plus j'ai été formée dans le cinéma au contact de Guy Cavagnac qui a monté
le festival de Gindou ; enfin, j'ai été invitée par René Allio à constituer
deux scénarios dans le cadre du Centre Méditerranéen de Création
cinématographique, qui chaque année tenait un festival exceptionnel des
cinémas du Sud y compris le Sud soviétique... où je ne pense pas me souvenir
que Péléchian ait été programmé, sinon précisément là je l'aurais manqué,
mais où j'ai pu également en entendre parler.

Pour le reste du curriculum vitae je vous épargne des détails des progrès et
des diversités interdisciplinaires ; j'ai peut-être bien fait tout les
métiers dans ma vie sauf arpenter le trottoir, car je n'ai jamais su faire
l'amour que par amour et par plaisir Donc avec peu de partenaires au bout du
compte - si l'on compte ;-) Sans doute est-ce la raison principale pour
laquelle Nathalie Magnan alias propriétaire (?) de nettime.fr depuis la
dissolution du comité samizdat, - ou alors ce n'est vraiment pas clair - me
déteste,  (je lui fais pitié alors pourquoi me craint-elle ? balançant des
rumeurs assez infâmes sur moi quant à mon éventuelle interdiction des
listes, étrangement les mêmes que Fabre a colportées à mon arrivée ici) -
puisque seules les putes non soumises l'intéressent au titre du cas social
activiste. or, de mon côté perso je ne m'occupe pas des orifices des autres
mais en d'autre temps défendant âprement le droit néanmoins respectable
d'expression des miens :) Sinon je ne vois pas d'autres raisons de haine et
de harcèlement épisodique (c'est épidermique et rampant comme le racisme),
si ce n'est qu'elle cotoie monsieur Fabre, (ceci pouvant expliquer cela) on
a du en voir des traces ici (sinon je n'en parlerais pas).

Que les chiens aboient pendant que la caravane passe ne l'empêche pas de
poursuivre  ; j'aime la culture arabe qui ne m'a jamais fait porter le voile
ce qui me vaut aussi de belles cabalistiques :)

Pardonnez moi le ton mais comment faire autrement ?

Encore une fois je vous prie de m'excuser de ma mini-bio (un fragment) et
vous embrasse,
(c'est la ciboule qui roule...)

Aliette

PS. Ah oui, j'ai toujours trouvé complètement "cucul" le jeu de mot "les
chiennes de garde" quand on sait ce que cela pourrait signifier chez Nizan,
dont les filles n'ont pas manqué le titre, lui conférant a contrario un
statut positif - toujours le défi sans qualité des jeux de mot -, loin du
guetteur chez Edmond Jabès, peut-être ? chez Nizan, qui les hait : ce sont
les cadres équivalents aux flics ; pas de surprise quant à la perte de la
fin en cours des moyens de ceux qui se définissent à l'égide des chiens de
garde même pour rire, donc.

Et dernier truc,j'ai entendu récemment dans la conférence de Lacan à
Caracas, sa dernière conférence avant sa mort où il parle du corps, mais
avant, quelque chose de formidable sur le symbolique - ce qui nous désempare
justement - en quoi réside le statut de l'altérité, exclusivement... rompez
un pacte symbolique et l'altérité vous déserte, ou devient une altérité
radicale : mais c'est peut-être vous qui la consitituez ? y a qu'à voir les
américains et l'Islam... et si j'étais l'arabe de Magnan et de Fabre, moi
qui ne sait pas couper réellement les couilles aux mecs ?

Merci Bobig, ton truc sur l'amour c'est très joli, une très bonne idée vu
l'amertume ambiante (mais qu'est-ce que je lui ai fait à Fabre ? chais pas
!)

===========
Sorry on my bad english speaking


It is unuseful to must announce its curriculum vitae as to have to present
its visiting card in front of Mister fabre's obsessionnally and degrading
attitude and who wastes his time trying to show off by humbling me. He would
better make take charge of his own cases, rather than to consider governed
by the hatred and the sourness of texts always too long or one of the word
always too short for him because they are mine; (for once I made short:)

Fabre I do not know him, I have never seen him of my life, I do not even
know what he looks like except by e-mail, and he speaks about me as if we
had slept together when I was still good for love;-))) here is sometimes we
want to become vulgar in front of the openings so narrow of a so big genius
which claims to tell in big one mother, certainly vulgar and certainly
despicable...

Every curriculum vitae are not on-line nor in registers; mine can easily
come true by contacting the nominees here - except the deaths.

I am a part of people who supported actively and published on this matter in
a review of the Diaspora - Serge Avédikian's Armenian association born in
Erevan emigrated into France and which returned to make a film of two hours
in Armenia, " that are my become companions? " And Jacques Kébadian who
signed the film which was diffused on the television channel A2 then rerun
on Arte, respectively actor and film-maker then producers; they made known,
in France, at the beginning of the 80s in the 90s, the specificity of an
Armenian sensibility of which experimental of the Soviet cinema was
singularly interesting, and the first ones they allowed to organize Arthur
Péléchian's invitation in France; (his work stood out as it would have been
imperativein any case of itself). Consequently not satisfied to have left
his work, I was able to cross him without particular exchange, because I was
there... Furthermore I was formed in the cinema in the contact of Guy
Cavagnac which went up the festival of Gindou; finally, I was invited by
René Allio to establish two scenarios within the framework of the
Mediterranean Center of film Creation, which every year held an exceptional
festival of the cinemas of the South including the Soviet South, and where I
do not think of remembering that Péléchian was scheduled, otherwise exactly
there I would have missed him, but where I was also able to hear about him.

For the rest of the curriculum vitae I spare you details of the progress and
the interdisciplinary varieties; I maybe made well everything the
professions in my life exlusiving to measure the pavement (as we say in
matter of prostitute), because I have never known how to make love or only
by love and by pleasure...  Thus with few partners after all - if we
count;-)
Doubtless it is the main reason for which Nathalie Magnan alias owner (?) of
nettime.fr since the dissolution of the committee samizdat, - or then it is
not really clear - hates me, (I make her pity then why is she afraid of me?
Rocking rather vile rumours on me as for my possible ban on lists, strangely
the same that Fabre spread in my arrival here) - because only the not
subdued whores interest her in conformance with the special interest of
hacktivist on the socially disadvantaged persons to be helped.

Now, from my part perso I do not take charge of openings of the others but
of the other time defending piercingly the nevertheless respectable right of
expression of mine:) otherwise I do not see the other reasons of hatred and
occasional harassment (it is epidermic and crawling as the racism) that they
havec against me, except that she plays any games on conferences with mister
Fabre, (this being able to explain their viral position about me), we have
of to see tracks here (otherwise I would not speak about it).

That dogs barking while the caravan passes do not prevent it from pursuing;
I like the Arabic culture which has never made me wear the veil what is also
worth me of beautiful kabalistic:)
Forgive me the tone but how for making otherwise?

Once again I do apologize for my mini--bio ( a fragment) and embraces you,

(it is the spring onion which runs)

Aliette

PS. Ah yes, I always found completely " cucul " the play on words " the
bitches guarding " because the french title means "the guarding dogs " when
we know what it could mean at Paul Nizan's sense, whom the girls did not
miss the title, conferring him a contrario a positive status far from the
lookout at Edmond Jabès, maybe? At Nizan, who hates them: they are
executives persons equivalent to the cops of the society - that persons we
fight against to get free; No surprise as for the loss of the end in the
course of the means of those who define themselves in the aegis of the guard
dogs to laugh, thus.

And last thing, I listened recently in the conference from Lacan to Caracas,
his last conference before his death where he speaks about the body, but
before, about something formidable on symbolism - What makes a break to us
exactly - in what lies the status of the otherness exclusively, (imagine
what canmean for us all our broken a symbolistic politically, sociallly and
cultural pacts as the otherness would leaves us, this way, or becomes a
radical otherness: but it is maybe you (us) who consititute it? Has there
that to see the Americans and the Islamic people and if I was Arabic of
Magnan and Fabre, me who does not know how to cut really testicles to the
guys?

 Thank you Bobig, your trick on love that is very attractive, it has really
there which miss to be also narrow-minded as that I have to defend me on.




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May  4 21:35:27 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:35:27 +0200
Subject: any poem to say good night
Message-ID: <1c3d01c4320e$f40b78e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

any complement:

f abre and l adre m(akes) m(iser) not mister m adre


'of course of the source



From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May  4 23:01:43 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: hollo hollor boo boo
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041701340.29250@panix3.panix.com>




hollo hollor boo boo

oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
bot ghosts cooo olwoys bock ono forioos
coworo, foorfol of ony
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
on obovo tho cliffs or ovor
or soootioo lost oy
pictoro. in 1943 i wos
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo. i oion't know bottor oboot
to work oot tho rolotions with oy
onbooroblo. soxoolity bocooo o forioos
violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
born ono lotor in 1967
bot ghosts cooo olwoys bock ono forioos
coworo, foorfol of ony
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
on obovo tho cliffs or ovor
or soootioo lost oy
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo.

i oion't know bottor oboot
onbooroblo. soxoolity bocooo o forioos
violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
worlo. i still livo thoro; i'o o
oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
born ono lotor in 1967
bot ghosts cooo olwoys bock ono forioos
coworo, foorfol of ony
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
on obovo tho cliffs or ovor
or soootioo lost oy
pictoro. in 1943 i wos
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo.

i oion't know bottor oboot
to work oot tho rolotions with oy
onbooroblo. soxoolity bocooo o forioos
violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
worlo. i still livo thoro; i'o o
oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
bot ghosts cooo olwoys bock ono forioos
coworo, foorfol of ony
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
nonfictionolly. i'vo soon for too ooch
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
or soootioo lost oy
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo.

i oion't know bottor oboot
to work oot tho rolotions with oy
onbooroblo. soxoolity bocooo o forioos
violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
worlo. i still livo thoro; i'o o
oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
coworo, foorfol of ony
fothor in o hoolthior foshion, ovon tho
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
nonfictionolly. i'vo soon for too ooch
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
or soootioo lost oy
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo.

violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
worlo. i still livo thoro; i'o o


_


From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 23:02:06 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:02:06 +0200
Subject: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this century...
In-Reply-To: <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
References: <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com>
 <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>

At 22:53 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>I almost did that, but then I heard the third Jet single and it was an
>utterly horrifying power ballad.  Let me know how the rest of the
>album is.

it's great.
actually, I bought it on the strength of the singer's coughing during the 
intro of the (I think) first single. I thought that was absolutely 
brilliant and I played the album a great deal of times each time marvelling 
again at that cough in the intro of "are you gonna be my girl ?" which is 
anyway a great track. Other than that I also think that every great r*ck 
album should have one horrifying power ballad and that this is what makes a 
great album go up to brilliant.

still, I listen to Destroyer's "your blues" every day since I bought it and 
I wonder why you don't.

f. 



From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 23:03:48 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:03:48 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this
  century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com>
 <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>

let's pretend I did not send this to the wrong mailing list, again, ok ?

f.

At 23:02 04/05/2004, Frederic Madre wrote:
>At 22:53 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>>I almost did that, but then I heard the third Jet single and it was an
>>utterly horrifying power ballad.  Let me know how the rest of the
>>album is.
>
>it's great.
>actually, I bought it on the strength of the singer's coughing during the 
>intro of the (I think) first single. I thought that was absolutely 
>brilliant and I played the album a great deal of times each time 
>marvelling again at that cough in the intro of "are you gonna be my girl 
>?" which is anyway a great track. Other than that I also think that every 
>great r*ck album should have one horrifying power ballad and that this is 
>what makes a great album go up to brilliant.
>
>still, I listen to Destroyer's "your blues" every day since I bought it 
>and I wonder why you don't.
>
>f.
>



From media at ezaic.de  Tue May  4 23:31:44 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 23:31:44 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this  
 century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com> <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002006bcbdbbc3877a@[213.23.156.150]>

>let's pretend I did not send this to the wrong mailing list, again, ok ?
>
>f.

I would not necessarily call it wrong

unless I wished to please you.


ok.


claudia


From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May  4 23:33:27 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:33:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: nlrs.gita ril
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041733200.19226@panix3.panix.com>




 nlrs.gita ril


 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t
isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
tlrlti nlits

 nlrs.gita ril

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tsrst tlrlti
nlits

 nlrs.gita ril

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t taritinlroili
inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno ngpmt
rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r

lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
i'cno ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
tlrlti nlits

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ir initotot tltidi r mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l

 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm mnr
.hi n'tmtmr pmpltl intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt
rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl

 tmr .sn,gi ,mt p it. pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in
tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
tlrlti nlits

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l

 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl


__


From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 23:35:24 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:35:24 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] nlrs.gita ril
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041733200.19226@panix3.panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041733200.19226@panix3.panix.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504233427.020b42a8@pop.free.fr>

sure. but why don't you listen to Destroyer's "your blues" everyday ?!

f.

At 23:33 04/05/2004, you wrote:



>  nlrs.gita ril
>
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
>n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t
>isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
>ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
>tlrlti nlits
>
>  nlrs.gita ril
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
>taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
>i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tsrst tlrlti
>nlits
>
>  nlrs.gita ril
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
>n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t taritinlroili
>inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno ngpmt
>rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r
>
>lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
>taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
>i'cno ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
>tlrlti nlits
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
>ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
>inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
>ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm mnr
>.hi n'tmtmr pmpltl intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt
>rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl
>
>  tmr .sn,gi ,mt p it. pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in
>tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
>inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
>ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
>tlrlti nlits
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
>n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
>inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
>ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
>ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>
>__
>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 23:45:38 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:45:38 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this  
  century...
In-Reply-To: <a06002006bcbdbbc3877a@[213.23.156.150]>
References: <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com>
 <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
 <a06002006bcbdbbc3877a@[213.23.156.150]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504234441.01fd8a48@pop.free.fr>

At 23:31 04/05/2004, you wrote:
 >I would not necessarily call it wrong

>unless I wished to please you.

calling me fabre can't be topped



>ok.


"your blues"
every day

f.



From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 00:22:27 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 18:22:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] nlrs.gita ril
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504233427.020b42a8@pop.free.fr>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041733200.19226@panix3.panix.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504233427.020b42a8@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041822110.19837@panix3.panix.com>



cause my first study was the blues, Son House in particular


On Tue, 4 May 2004, Frederic Madre wrote:

> sure. but why don't you listen to Destroyer's "your blues" everyday ?!
>
> f.
>
> At 23:33 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>
> >  nlrs.gita ril
> >
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
> >n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t
> >isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
> >ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
> >tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  nlrs.gita ril
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
> >taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
> >i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tsrst tlrlti
> >nlits
> >
> >  nlrs.gita ril
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
> >n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t taritinlroili
> >inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno ngpmt
> >rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r
> >
> >lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
> >taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
> >i'cno ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
> >tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
> >ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
> >inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
> >ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm mnr
> >.hi n'tmtmr pmpltl intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt
> >rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl
> >
> >  tmr .sn,gi ,mt p it. pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in
> >tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
> >inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
> >ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
> >tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
> >n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
> >inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
> >ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
> >ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >
> >__
> >
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> >no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>

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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 00:23:25 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 00:23:25 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
  vision
In-Reply-To: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>

At 20:49 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>(English-US below)
>
>Il est regrettable de devoir annoncer son curriculum vitae

advice for Aliette:
http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/disinhibit.html

the more advanced among us will go directly to this one
http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/badboys.html
if they want

f.



From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 00:27:31 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 18:27:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical  vision
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041826290.20871@panix3.panix.com>



Suler's pretty amazing - had some contact with him a while ago - and he's
been working on these texts for years - meanwhile the Deviants no longer
exist - check out the A & N Dunlap (or Dunlop, forget at this point) and M
Reed - Alan

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com


From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 02:17:47 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 02:17:47 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical  vision
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical vision


> At 20:49 04/05/2004, you wrote:
> >(English-US below)
> >
> >Il est regrettable de devoir annoncer son curriculum vitae

that was exactly respecting Claudia, as I thought that your point of retort
making intervention in the fast exchange about her piece of information
about Pelechian, at last it was indirectly for her unpleasant ; this
question made me found necessary to re-support and publicy my perso
informations to confort this word ( I mean "great").

Your answer : I made fun of it ; I have no problem of narcissistic mirror at
last.

Really a problem of communication of messsages on radical politics on the
two nettime, which are not watchwords but reasonings; these autonomous and
separatist reasonings meet partisan interests in the power of moderation of
the lists with which the moderators do not agree inevitably; in this case
forword, posts is censored, it is very clear. Then I rise rightly when it is
not to see one extreme right-wing fundamentalists being entitled to the last
word, that what arrives, because it is more and more on lists, discovered
recently. Then the fault of the moderators preferring to censor the nearby
ideas rather than the ideas set not to appear censuers makes the worst.

Beyond that I am satisfied, I have long texts which cross(spend) in English
finally rather often on nettime in spite of my franglish my inversions and
my typing errors. For what ask the people furthermore than what I have
because in more I adduce to fight?

The asynchrony or the misunderstandings of my answers are owed to a problem
of understanding of the English.

> advice for Aliette:
> http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/disinhibit.html

You cannot say to me that you support that! Then you make of those who
guarantee for the behaviouristic tests to the at schools? That does not
amaze me at you, like!

If you want to have a look on last Tamara's calling online, please try it :
http://www.imal.org/tamara_lai/how-beautiful/beautiful.htm
I have a litle subject in it but still waiting for her answer...
It is pleasant to play with Tamara ; I enjoy her.

(...)




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 07:18:30 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:18:30 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09
References: <a06002004bcbd243a0373@[82.82.97.208]> <19ef01c431c7$410228d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1083668782.4097792e8ddaa@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <21ea01c43260$67ca58e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09


> Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> > oh Great!
>
> Btw, Aliette
> did you unsub from all those horrible moderated mailing lists that were
keeping
> you down ?


>>>>>> did you, this once, put your feet where your mouth was ?

Hey! You meant what, there? You speak about activist, about agitator, or
about kamrad? You believe not that I am going to go to militate I crossed
the moment of organizations Guy! Anarchist is that list of course I am in a
positive vision of that it is not a bureaucrat or thinkers' slavish soul
which I reject!!! You want that I quote them to you or you already know
them, these names, those whom I want to say ? You Stalino-revisionist (As
other f - the woman I talked you)? Is it that what you meant? Sorry sad man,
I have done such a work online on Battisti on nettime-l and in another part
in Italy, and live in the Book fair just the voice!

I am not a sufragette of multi-purpose hall;
she is a nun of mult-purpose hall and grlobal meetings where personnal power
is getting up !

and you a priest?

So pray for me please, as I am the devil in your mind.
but you are not still god, as you have such a work to open your vision !

And you, where have you your feet if your mouth is narrow-minded and
venomous.


>
> f.
>


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Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 01:27:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: PROTESTERS AMBUSH CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK (fwd)
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From mpalmer at jps.net  Tue May  4 21:53:16 2004
From: mpalmer at jps.net (mpalmer at jps.net)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:53:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: WALLS & WINDOWS
Message-ID: sympa.1083700286.16343.417@anart.no

There are these things on the wall that keep me from seeing the wall. Some call them works of art, but I think of them more as ways of masking the wall's true purpose with a humanizing facade. At some point in history artists attempted to break through the wall, and I applaud that effort, even if I find it futile. I once made a piece where I punched a wall repeatedly until I reached the point of exhaustion. There is no document of this work, as I was simply angry at the time and only considered it a work of art after the fact, once I had recovered a bit of calm. Many of my best works are like that, actually. I find it advisable not to be too self-conscious about making art, as when one does the result only ends up seeming pretentious. Speaking of which, I saw my first chocolate-colored balloon today -- what a treat!

I forgot to mention windows, so here I go. You'll excuse me if I repeat myself, I hope.

I once traced the lines of my palm onto a map of the city and walked the route it laid out. This made me think that I was doing good art, but nobody else seemed to care. Windows are like that. We only notice their presence when somebody stops us from seeing through them.

We always come upon walls with windows in them, but I want to see a window with a wall in the middle of it. The same with doors, but that's a topic for another time.


mwp


From media at ezaic.de  Wed May  5 11:32:00 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:32:00 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical 
 vision
In-Reply-To: <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
 <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <a06002001bcbe5c8305e5@[213.23.155.147]>

>
>>  At 20:49 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>>  >(English-US below)
>>  >
>>  >Il est regrettable de devoir annoncer son curriculum vitae
>
>that was exactly respecting Claudia, as I thought that your point of retort
>making intervention in the fast exchange about her piece of information
>about Pelechian, at last it was indirectly for her unpleasant ;

why?
even if I try to see the things as you obviously see them ...
so, probably ... that frederic disagrees with me on the subject of 
Pelechian ...
I do not see why his different opinion should be unpleasant to me ..
in general
besides of this

)
I suspect the Syndicate concept might be based on relations that
are much more personal than you are aware of


I do not see why his different opinion should be unpleasant to me ..
if I had understood, what you obviously understood
I would have called him an ignorant
told him he needs to grow up
possibly announced him that I would find a way to force him to watch 
Pelechian for an entire week
and sent him a smile

;)

you know ...
there might be a great confidence that one, two, three, four, five 
and possibly more people
understand when playtime is announced

>
>
>Beyond that I am satisfied,

why?

>I have long texts which cross(spend) in English
>finally rather often on nettime in spite of my franglish my inversions and
>my typing errors.

dichotomie

your texts might be used to 'prove' the list's (or moderator's) 
openness to different ideas


bonjour a tous,
Claudia


From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 11:47:29 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:47:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this 
     century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
References:     <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com><20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com><16536.739.774227.377028@place.org><6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
    <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1046.82.224.112.161.1083750449.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

well dear,

any way aleatoire sending 's
often somehow fertile

any way ALéATOIRE 's
http://files.vnatrc.com/mp3/andromeda.php?q=f&f=%2FWarning_Party
's great tracks too ?

huuuh ?

kisses
astrëe


> let's pretend I did not send this to the wrong mailing list, again, ok ?
>
> f.
>
> At 23:02 04/05/2004, Frederic Madre wrote:
>>At 22:53 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>>>I almost did that, but then I heard the third Jet single and it was an
>>>utterly horrifying power ballad.  Let me know how the rest of the
>>>album is.
>>
>>it's great.
>>actually, I bought it on the strength of the singer's coughing during the
>>intro of the (I think) first single. I thought that was absolutely
>>brilliant and I played the album a great deal of times each time
>>marvelling again at that cough in the intro of "are you gonna be my girl
>>?" which is anyway a great track. Other than that I also think that every
>>great r*ck album should have one horrifying power ballad and that this is
>>what makes a great album go up to brilliant.
>>
>>still, I listen to Destroyer's "your blues" every day since I bought it
>>and I wonder why you don't.
>>
>>f.
>>
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 22:13:26 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Tue,  4 May 2004 22:13:26 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical vision
In-Reply-To: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083701606.4097f966804b7@imp4-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> (English-US below)

I repeat the question:
Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation irritating 
you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?

apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners

f.


From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 12:00:30 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:00:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] astpriem j update
In-Reply-To: <200405041002.i44A2YFp020855@kunst.no>
References: <200405041002.i44A2YFp020855@kunst.no>
Message-ID: <1045.82.224.112.161.1083751230.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>


>
>> > > > Synopsis: The Anyhr-ISBN-PNG Project cyphermodern maghinery
>
>
> astpriem jxgcrte lclrqy lpwi wbxoumgcr uapac
>
> http://noemata.net/anyhr/anyhr1083664951.png :

Not Found
The requested URL /anyhr/anyhr1083664951.png was not found on this server.

Apache/1.3.27 Server at noemata.net Port 80
>
ooohhh



kisses
astrëe

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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 12:28:47 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:28:47 +0200
Subject: ....
Message-ID: <235b01c4328b$c0123c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...

I could imagine that I would not post during a time, as every one does it on
every list sometimes, but that is not an info, it isan usual feeling for
everyone !!

I have talked on this question seeing a lot of names without publishing more
onnettime-l and ghanging the sound ofthe posts, and he answered me that no,
they were all still sub but not posting for a moemnt... so probably if I
would do the same that wouldnot be a "frenche exception" comportment !!!

But I have not done because I need to stay while there are so much questions
to debate on logical and meta-historical infos on politicsthat worry us
immediatly.

One post is moderated, and one other is not. It depends of the moderator :
which one. The same for nettime-l that nettime-fr


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
To: <fmadre at free.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical vision


> But NOT AT ALL !!!!
>
> I  me !!!! what is this sound ? why do you play that ?
>
> I have ask it yesterday night to confirm my knowledge on that, my own
> condition, to Nicolas, and he confirmed me thta I was not unsub !!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
vision
>
>
> > Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> > > (English-US below)
> >
> > I repeat the question:
> > Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
> > you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation
> irritating
> > you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?
> >
> > apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners
> >
> > f.
> >
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
>
> >
> > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> > Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> > no commercial use of the texts without permission
>




From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 12:29:40 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 12:29:40 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical  vision
In-Reply-To: <a06002001bcbe5c8305e5@[213.23.155.147]>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr> <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <a06002001bcbe5c8305e5@[213.23.155.147]>
Message-ID: <1083752980.4098c2146d3c4@imp6-q.free.fr>

> >that was exactly respecting Claudia, as I thought that your point of retort
> >making intervention in the fast exchange about her piece of information
> >about Pelechian, at last it was indirectly for her unpleasant ;
> 
> why?
> even if I try to see the things as you obviously see them ...
> so, probably ... that frederic disagrees with me on the subject of 
> Pelechian ...
> I do not see why his different opinion should be unpleasant to me ..
> in general
> besides of this


for the record, my opinion on the information that you sent Claudia is that it 
was interesing and I thank you for it, claudia.

> I suspect the Syndicate concept might be based on relations that
> are much more personal than you are aware of

yes, sorry claudia that I have not answered your private mail yet
(I agree with you, except perhaps I'd push it to 99.9%)

> you know ...
> and possibly more people
> >Beyond that I am satisfied,
> >I have long texts which cross(spend) in English
> your texts might be used to 'prove' the list's (or moderator's) 

Ok, you are right Claudia, let's steer back to the initial point
aliette sent us a big long piece entitled "right of answer" (which was in 
itself a very amusing title because it refers to a very french judiciary notion 
and also one which does not apply to the internet) where she stated that it was 
time to create a french speaking unmoderated list and I thought, brilliant: 
aliette will have her own mailing list and her energy will be directed to 
something she likes and nurtures herself and (as I would never join such a 
list) we will all happily leave together apart. I'm still expecting the 
announcement of that mailing list.
The second point she seemed to be making was that moderation was evil and we 
should get rid of it. As you saw, I did not say anything about this. I'm still 
waiting for Aliette to unsub from both nettime lists if she thinks that they 
are stifling her freedom of speech and manipulate the conversations. Old story, 
sure, which has yet to be debated properly alas.

So, I was naively thinking that aliette would enact what she so excitedly x-
posted all around to lists on which I am not subscribed and for which I have 
neither personal interest or concern. She did not and now she sends her answer 
to both our syndicate and the moderator of nettime-fr who, I hope, could not 
care less about what is happening on our list and, I suspect, is conforted that 
the huffin and puffin aliette stayed on the list anyway.

Voila,
F.


From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 12:37:44 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 12:37:44 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ....
In-Reply-To: <235b01c4328b$c0123c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <235b01c4328b$c0123c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083753464.4098c3f8e3d69@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...

for the record (holy shit!) I never thought that anyone would remove you from 
any mailing list: you are too entertaining and have always acted as a good 
serf, respectful of authority, today again rejoicing that some of your posts 
make it to nettime.

I, oh so naively, thought that your "right of answer" x-post was a condemnation 
of the moderation process itself; it was not, I'm sorry for being angelically 
stupid.

> But I have not done because I need to stay while there are so much questions
> to debate on logical and meta-historical infos on politicsthat worry us
> immediatly.

yeah, yeah, sure
whatever

bye,
f.


From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 12:44:59 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:44:59 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ....
In-Reply-To: <235b01c4328b$c0123c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <41BD1E37-9E81-11D8-A2DB-000393B03010@free.fr>

errrrrrrrrr.
we definitly all live in a yellow sub...

--
OG

Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 12:28 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit :

> MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...
>
> I could imagine that I would not post during a time, as every one does  
> it on
> every list sometimes, but that is not an info, it isan usual feeling  
> for
> everyone !!
>
> I have talked on this question seeing a lot of names without  
> publishing more
> onnettime-l and ghanging the sound ofthe posts, and he answered me  
> that no,
> they were all still sub but not posting for a moemnt... so probably if  
> I
> would do the same that wouldnot be a "frenche exception" comportment  
> !!!
>
> But I have not done because I need to stay while there are so much  
> questions
> to debate on logical and meta-historical infos on politicsthat worry us
> immediatly.
>
> One post is moderated, and one other is not. It depends of the  
> moderator :
> which one. The same for nettime-l that nettime-fr
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> To: <fmadre at free.fr>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical  
> vision
>
>
>> But NOT AT ALL !!!!
>>
>> I  me !!!! what is this sound ? why do you play that ?
>>
>> I have ask it yesterday night to confirm my knowledge on that, my own
>> condition, to Nicolas, and he confirmed me thta I was not unsub !!!!!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
> vision
>>
>>
>>> Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
>>>> (English-US below)
>>>
>>> I repeat the question:
>>> Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
>>> you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation
>> irritating
>>> you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?
>>>
>>> apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners
>>>
>>> f.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> ----
> --
>> ----
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>
>
>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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> no commercial use of the texts without permission




From pall at fa.is  Wed May  5 13:05:07 2004
From: pall at fa.is (Pall Thayer)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:05:07 +0000
Subject: [syndicate] ....
In-Reply-To: <41BD1E37-9E81-11D8-A2DB-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <41BD1E37-9E81-11D8-A2DB-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <200405051105.07832.pall@fa.is>

On Wednesday 05 May 2004 10:44, ctgr-pavu.com wrote:
> errrrrrrrrr.
> we definitly all live in a yellow sub...

um... a yellow sub-organic mind-transferralator?

-- 
Pall Thayer
artist/teacher
http://www.this.is/pallit
http://130.208.220.190/
http://130.208.220.190/nuharm
http://130.208.220.190/panse



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 13:51:06 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:51:06 +0200
Subject: ????
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Sorry on my bad English writing

I have not intimity with M. Madre. Usually if he receives any mail from me
he answers that He wishes that I get out him from my list (and he askes me
without tenderness as you can imagine)!!!

Strangely he has just written me in a private mail that I have not
distinguished from a mail of the list, as just before he had posted here a
personnal argue on me for another part !!! as confidential information of
"eventual" unsub - but this would be a wrong information. Or to get any
wrong effect against me. I have written on all these problems here and
there, thinking the french media nettime.fr is becoming a personnal media or
an office of a party which is not informed, in fact, all is possible but
with information, orit appears manipulation from htis time exactly where the
list ismoderates (in other way itwouldnot so much q ral question) and I
fight on this question to obtain any explanations onthis statement still the
announcement of collective samizdat dissolution, but the server is still
samizdat  you know ? what doesit mean exactly ? which appears a real problem
on politics partisan opportunities during french elections and Battisti
question...

My parisian dinners? NEVER!!! I am in a complete accomplishment outside of
mondanities IN A FRIENSHIP SYSTEM AS SYMBOLIC CONTAINING POLITICS MULTITUDE
ALTERITY since a lot of decennies, coming far from other times in last
century, from the last avant-gardes in the last sixties and early
seventies... But AND THE SAME FOR MY FRIENDS IN their own other respective
other net frienships...  all of personnal solidarity on a lot of things of
the private life, even we would be anyone in our own party of thought - and
for me no one at all, you know of that because Iwas forever in unsubmission
but active in real things that I shall no tell here !!!!

I can tell it front of public as you have done any Indiscretion as allusion
online ! you are a sort of informator you know? you work for whose cops?
intelligence services cops or politically cops ? or you are completly stupid
of course while playing time in public?

Your information could come only from an abuse indicretion on cordial
playing informations during the meeting in USA between a guest on this
evening and that one who appears to be her friend : Nathalie Magnan (there
was a post on nettime-l on that where she is named, so it could not be a
secret !!! I do not have indiscretion telling it here). There is obviously a
trahison, but from who ? He to me and his own friends at my home of whom he
could have act another indiscretions on any subjects of thes dinner at last
? or her to him, because she would no respect her own friendship pact ? this
sort of alternative modanity running specially near the usual mondanity of
parties ?

The dinner you talked of it appears to be that one (because there would not
have another dinner at my home since a full year as anyone here do not feel
well and so on) the last night of my american friends at my home with their
baby and respecting their own friend to be our guest from their own part
celbrating their last evening in Paris before togo back to NY.

these american friends were living in my home since a full week... they have
asked me to come as hosts in my home, as THEY HAVE INSISTED FOR THAT despite
of SUCH PROBLEMS THAT WERE SITTING IN MY HOME DURING THIS MOMENT) BUT THEY
have asked me to come everyway because it was a best possibility for them
while euro is high, to sleep free and at friends'home with their baby, even
it was awfull at my home ! I repaeat TO SLEEP AT MY HOME BECAUSE IT WAS MORE
EASY ON JETLAG FOR THEIR BABY AND ALL THAT WHICH NEEDS FREEDOM TO LIVE for a
moment !!!!

SO / WHEN YOU SAY HERE THAT I WOULD HAVE MY MOUTH WHERE I HAVE THE FEET YOU
SPEAK ON MY FRIENDSHIP MORE THAT USUAL PUBLICATIONS ONLINE ,,,!!! crazy and
abusive Ladre and Nathalie Magan using confidential informations from his
commun friend with my guest and telling that to persons who declares to be
my personnal ennemies ?

That will be my last mail on this subject or not if yourself would not stop
ta get more crazy in your following abuse and judgement.

Apologizes sincerly to other subscribers.

A.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
To: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>; <fmadre at free.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:17 PM
Subject: ????


> MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...
>
> I could imagine that I would not post during a time, as every one does it
on
> every list, but that isnot an info, it is usual for everyone !!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> To: <fmadre at free.fr>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
vision
>
>
> > But NOT AT ALL !!!!
> >
> > I  me !!!! what is this sound ? why do you play that ?
> >
> > I have ask it yesterday night to confirm my knowledge on that, my own
> > condition, to Nicolas, and he confirmed me thta I was not unsub !!!!!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> > To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
> vision
> >
> >
> > > Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> > > > (English-US below)
> > >
> > > I repeat the question:
> > > Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
> > > you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation
> > irritating
> > > you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?
> > >
> > > apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners
> > >
> > > f.
> > >
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> > > Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> > > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> > > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> > > no commercial use of the texts without permission
> >
>
>
>




From media at ezaic.de  Wed May  5 13:52:26 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:52:26 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical 
 vision
In-Reply-To: <1083752980.4098c2146d3c4@imp6-q.free.fr>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
 <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
 <a06002001bcbe5c8305e5@[213.23.155.147]>
 <1083752980.4098c2146d3c4@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002003bcbe84f07f6d@[213.23.155.147]>

>
>for the record, my opinion on the information that you sent Claudia is that it
>was interesing and I thank you for it, claudia.

for the record

dear frederic,

I never assumed you would consider something I send as not interesting

;)



des fleurs,

Claudia


From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 13:57:22 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 13:57:22 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083758242.4098d6a2b07fa@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> I have not intimity with M. Madre.
> Apologizes sincerly to other subscribers.

Thank you.

Bye,
f.
ps: sorry, nathalie.


From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 14:44:50 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:44:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
    <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

no, dears, no !
in these occasions,

just tell :

[
form_elow als_oose big bonbon

:2enUn: Cette présence sporadique dans les débats de la dualité du rôle de
l’Elaboration Artistique permet également d’interroger en son sein la
cohérence des comportements collectifs, entre ce qu’elle fait pour ses
propres brigades et le service d'aliénation qu’elle propose à ses
partenaires conceptualisés. // Ce poète sont obsédées par les pythiques
résumés dans le poïeïn, obsédées par les pythiques résumés du
se-déprendre-des-ethnies.
]

or

[
actu_ich_tu_echte

Fig. Avoir d'une chose cent pieds par-dessus la tête, en être tout à fait
dégouté. - - Pied de mouche, se dit pour patte de mouche, en des locutions
figurées. Disputer sur un pied de mouche, discuter sur des choses de rien.
- - Petits pieds, en termes de rôtisseur, grives, cailles, ortolans... - -
Sur le pied de, avec le caractère de. Nos troubles l'avaient mis sur le
pied d'homme sage, Mol. - - Etre sur le pied de, passer pour. Il était sur
le pied d'un homme de condition. - - On dit de même : un pied de crotte.
]

http://vnatrc.freezope.org/opep2/opepSystem
for english speakers there's a transale service on it :)

kisses
astrëe

> Sorry on my bad English writing
>
> I have not intimity with M. Madre. Usually if he receives any mail from me
> he answers that He wishes that I get out him from my list (and he askes me
> without tenderness as you can imagine)!!!
>
> Strangely he has just written me in a private mail that I have not
> distinguished from a mail of the list, as just before he had posted here a
> personnal argue on me for another part !!! as confidential information of
> "eventual" unsub - but this would be a wrong information. Or to get any
> wrong effect against me. I have written on all these problems here and
> there, thinking the french media nettime.fr is becoming a personnal media
> or
> an office of a party which is not informed, in fact, all is possible but
> with information, orit appears manipulation from htis time exactly where
> the
> list ismoderates (in other way itwouldnot so much q ral question) and I
> fight on this question to obtain any explanations onthis statement still
> the
> announcement of collective samizdat dissolution, but the server is still
> samizdat  you know ? what doesit mean exactly ? which appears a real
> problem
> on politics partisan opportunities during french elections and Battisti
> question...
>
> My parisian dinners? NEVER!!! I am in a complete accomplishment outside of
> mondanities IN A FRIENSHIP SYSTEM AS SYMBOLIC CONTAINING POLITICS
> MULTITUDE
> ALTERITY since a lot of decennies, coming far from other times in last
> century, from the last avant-gardes in the last sixties and early
> seventies... But AND THE SAME FOR MY FRIENDS IN their own other respective
> other net frienships...  all of personnal solidarity on a lot of things of
> the private life, even we would be anyone in our own party of thought -
> and
> for me no one at all, you know of that because Iwas forever in
> unsubmission
> but active in real things that I shall no tell here !!!!
>
> I can tell it front of public as you have done any Indiscretion as
> allusion
> online ! you are a sort of informator you know? you work for whose cops?
> intelligence services cops or politically cops ? or you are completly
> stupid
> of course while playing time in public?
>
> Your information could come only from an abuse indicretion on cordial
> playing informations during the meeting in USA between a guest on this
> evening and that one who appears to be her friend : Nathalie Magnan (there
> was a post on nettime-l on that where she is named, so it could not be a
> secret !!! I do not have indiscretion telling it here). There is obviously
> a
> trahison, but from who ? He to me and his own friends at my home of whom
> he
> could have act another indiscretions on any subjects of thes dinner at
> last
> ? or her to him, because she would no respect her own friendship pact ?
> this
> sort of alternative modanity running specially near the usual mondanity of
> parties ?
>
> The dinner you talked of it appears to be that one (because there would
> not
> have another dinner at my home since a full year as anyone here do not
> feel
> well and so on) the last night of my american friends at my home with
> their
> baby and respecting their own friend to be our guest from their own part
> celbrating their last evening in Paris before togo back to NY.
>
> these american friends were living in my home since a full week... they
> have
> asked me to come as hosts in my home, as THEY HAVE INSISTED FOR THAT
> despite
> of SUCH PROBLEMS THAT WERE SITTING IN MY HOME DURING THIS MOMENT) BUT THEY
> have asked me to come everyway because it was a best possibility for them
> while euro is high, to sleep free and at friends'home with their baby,
> even
> it was awfull at my home ! I repaeat TO SLEEP AT MY HOME BECAUSE IT WAS
> MORE
> EASY ON JETLAG FOR THEIR BABY AND ALL THAT WHICH NEEDS FREEDOM TO LIVE for
> a
> moment !!!!
>
> SO / WHEN YOU SAY HERE THAT I WOULD HAVE MY MOUTH WHERE I HAVE THE FEET
> YOU
> SPEAK ON MY FRIENDSHIP MORE THAT USUAL PUBLICATIONS ONLINE ,,,!!! crazy
> and
> abusive Ladre and Nathalie Magan using confidential informations from his
> commun friend with my guest and telling that to persons who declares to be
> my personnal ennemies ?
>
> That will be my last mail on this subject or not if yourself would not
> stop
> ta get more crazy in your following abuse and judgement.
>
> Apologizes sincerly to other subscribers.
>
> A.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> To: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>; <fmadre at free.fr>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:17 PM
> Subject: ????
>
>
>> MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...
>>
>> I could imagine that I would not post during a time, as every one does
>> it
> on
>> every list, but that isnot an info, it is usual for everyone !!
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
>> To: <fmadre at free.fr>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
> vision
>>
>>
>> > But NOT AT ALL !!!!
>> >
>> > I  me !!!! what is this sound ? why do you play that ?
>> >
>> > I have ask it yesterday night to confirm my knowledge on that, my own
>> > condition, to Nicolas, and he confirmed me thta I was not unsub !!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>> > To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
>> vision
>> >
>> >
>> > > Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
>> > > > (English-US below)
>> > >
>> > > I repeat the question:
>> > > Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
>> > > you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation
>> > irritating
>> > > you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?
>> > >
>> > > apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners
>> > >
>> > > f.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> > ----
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> > > Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> > > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> > > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> > > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> > > no commercial use of the texts without permission
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 14:59:32 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 14:59:32 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>    <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <1083761972.4098e53493e88@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> no, dears, no !
> in these occasions,
> 
> just tell :
> 
> [
> form_elow als_oose big bonbon

or

1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by 
saying "Dude?" 

2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by 
saying "Dude!" 

3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly saying 
one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on." 

EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning your name, 
respond by saying "Lag." 

http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml

f.
ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...


From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 15:25:29 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:25:29 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>    <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net> <1083761972.4098e53493e88@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <25e201c432a4$6fe23ea0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
managment of this list -
if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real name. Is
is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play on my
own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop any other
real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.

He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait for
apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was coming from
him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of my
life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used here,
and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I insist that
was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing every
body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be grateful
to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by every
mon on the lists.

The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the lists, as
moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part ; and
I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment just
before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.

But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If you go on
ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here, itis
their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay the sign
of your following manipulation.

Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend on my
private life.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????


> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> > no, dears, no !
> > in these occasions,
> >
> > just tell :
> >
> > [
> > form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>
> or
>
> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
> saying "Dude?"
>
> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by
> saying "Dude!"
>
> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly
saying
> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>
> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning your
name,
> respond by saying "Lag."
>
> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>
> f.
> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
>


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> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> no commercial use of the texts without permission




From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 15:35:59 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 15:35:59 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <25e201c432a4$6fe23ea0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>    <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net> <1083761972.4098e53493e88@imp6-q.free.fr> <25e201c432a4$6fe23ea0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083764159.4098edbf16f72@imp6-q.free.fr>

Lag.

f.
http://archive.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp?
image=/fargo/august03/autorpg/monsterbig.jpg

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
> managment of this list -
> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real name. Is
> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play on my
> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop any other
> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
> 
> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait for
> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was coming from
> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of my
> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used here,
> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I insist that
> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing every
> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be grateful
> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by every
> mon on the lists.
> 
> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the lists, as
> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part ; and
> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment just
> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
> 
> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If you go on
> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here, itis
> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay the sign
> of your following manipulation.
> 
> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend on my
> private life.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
> 
> 
> > Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> > > no, dears, no !
> > > in these occasions,
> > >
> > > just tell :
> > >
> > > [
> > > form_elow als_oose big bonbon
> >
> > or
> >
> > 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
> > saying "Dude?"
> >
> > 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by
> > saying "Dude!"
> >
> > 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly
> saying
> > one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
> >
> > EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning your
> name,
> > respond by saying "Lag."
> >
> > http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
> >
> > f.
> > ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
> >
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> 
> 
> >
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> > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> > no commercial use of the texts without permission
> 
> 
> 




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From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 17:22:59 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:22:59 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <25e201c432a4$6fe23ea0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>

i'll have half a lagger.

the other one once the job finished.

--
OG

Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit :

> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
> managment of this list -
> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real 
> name. Is
> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play 
> on my
> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop any 
> other
> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
>
> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait 
> for
> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was 
> coming from
> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of 
> my
> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used 
> here,
> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I 
> insist that
> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing 
> every
> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be 
> grateful
> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by 
> every
> mon on the lists.
>
> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the 
> lists, as
> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part 
> ; and
> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment 
> just
> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
>
> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If you 
> go on
> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here, 
> itis
> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay 
> the sign
> of your following manipulation.
>
> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend 
> on my
> private life.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
>
>
>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
>>> no, dears, no !
>>> in these occasions,
>>>
>>> just tell :
>>>
>>> [
>>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>>
>> or
>>
>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
>> saying "Dude?"
>>
>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by
>> saying "Dude!"
>>
>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly
> saying
>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>>
>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning 
>> your
> name,
>> respond by saying "Lag."
>>
>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>>
>> f.
>> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
>>





From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 18:00:34 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 18:00:34 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1083772834.40990fa2a32c6@imp6-q.free.fr>

Right on.

f.

Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:

> i'll have half a lagger.
> 
> the other one once the job finished.
> 
> --
> OG
> 
> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit :
> 
> > There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
> > managment of this list -
> > if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real 
> > name. Is
> > is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play 
> > on my
> > own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop any 
> > other
> > real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
> >
> > He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait 
> > for
> > apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was 
> > coming from
> > him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of 
> > my
> > life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used 
> > here,
> > and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I 
> > insist that
> > was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing 
> > every
> > body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be 
> > grateful
> > to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by 
> > every
> > mon on the lists.
> >
> > The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the 
> > lists, as
> > moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part 
> > ; and
> > I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment 
> > just
> > before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
> >
> > But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If you 
> > go on
> > ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here, 
> > itis
> > their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay 
> > the sign
> > of your following manipulation.
> >
> > Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend 
> > on my
> > private life.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> > To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
> >
> >
> >> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> >>> no, dears, no !
> >>> in these occasions,
> >>>
> >>> just tell :
> >>>
> >>> [
> >>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
> >> saying "Dude?"
> >>
> >> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by
> >> saying "Dude!"
> >>
> >> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly
> > saying
> >> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
> >>
> >> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning 
> >> your
> > name,
> >> respond by saying "Lag."
> >>
> >> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
> >>
> >> f.
> >> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
> >>
> 
> 
> 
> 




From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 18:09:06 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:09:06 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <1083772834.40990fa2a32c6@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <88A6049F-9EAE-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>

Sure ?
Okie !


Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:00 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a écrit :

> Right on.
>
> f.
>
> Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
>
>> i'll have half a lagger.
>>
>> the other one once the job finished.
>>
>> --
>> OG
>>
>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a 
>> écrit :
>>
>>> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
>>> managment of this list -
>>> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real
>>> name. Is
>>> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play
>>> on my
>>> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop 
>>> any
>>> other
>>> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
>>>
>>> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait
>>> for
>>> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was
>>> coming from
>>> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of
>>> my
>>> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used
>>> here,
>>> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I
>>> insist that
>>> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing
>>> every
>>> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be
>>> grateful
>>> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by
>>> every
>>> mon on the lists.
>>>
>>> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the
>>> lists, as
>>> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part
>>> ; and
>>> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment
>>> just
>>> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
>>>
>>> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If 
>>> you
>>> go on
>>> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here,
>>> itis
>>> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay
>>> the sign
>>> of your following manipulation.
>>>
>>> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend
>>> on my
>>> private life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
>>>
>>>
>>>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
>>>>> no, dears, no !
>>>>> in these occasions,
>>>>>
>>>>> just tell :
>>>>>
>>>>> [
>>>>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
>>>> saying "Dude?"
>>>>
>>>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond 
>>>> by
>>>> saying "Dude!"
>>>>
>>>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by 
>>>> randomly
>>> saying
>>>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>>>>
>>>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning
>>>> your
>>> name,
>>>> respond by saying "Lag."
>>>>
>>>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>>>>
>>>> f.
>>>> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> no commercial use of the texts without permission




From media at ezaic.de  Wed May  5 18:27:13 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:27:13 +0200
Subject: 
In-Reply-To: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002007bcbebe79fb68@[213.23.155.147]>

>i'll have half a lagger.

can you use another word please ?

I just wished to condemn you
but I cannot find this word in my dictionary


>
>the other one once the job finished.


>
>--
>OG

nice try
Officer Général


-

claudia







From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 18:38:50 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:38:50 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re:
In-Reply-To: <a06002007bcbebe79fb68@[213.23.155.147]>
Message-ID: <AFFF19C2-9EB2-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>


Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:27 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a 
écrit :

>> i'll have half a lagger.
>
> can you use another word please ?

Dude ?
lager should fit.

I also found "lager lout"
little different of blonde loute

>
> I just wished to condemn you
> but I cannot find this word in my dictionary
>
>
>>
>> the other one once the job finished.
>
>>
>> --
>> OG
>
> nice try
> Officer Général

you're very kind
thanks
++
thx f. for the rules

> -
>
> claudia





From vnatrc at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 18:30:49 2004
From: vnatrc at vnatrc.net (v.n.a.t.r.c.?)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:30:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <88A6049F-9EAE-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <1083772834.40990fa2a32c6@imp6-q.free.fr>
    <88A6049F-9EAE-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1055.82.224.112.161.1083774649.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

should have written 'lager'
but we're not so tâtillons,
are we ?

kisses
astrëe


> Sure ?
> Okie !
>
>
> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:00 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a écrit :
>
>> Right on.
>>
>> f.
>>
>> Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
>>
>>> i'll have half a lagger.
>>>
>>> the other one once the job finished.
>>>
>>> --
>>> OG
>>>
>>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
>>>> managment of this list -
>>>> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real
>>>> name. Is
>>>> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play
>>>> on my
>>>> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop
>>>> any
>>>> other
>>>> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
>>>>
>>>> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait
>>>> for
>>>> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was
>>>> coming from
>>>> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of
>>>> my
>>>> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used
>>>> here,
>>>> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I
>>>> insist that
>>>> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing
>>>> every
>>>> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be
>>>> grateful
>>>> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by
>>>> every
>>>> mon on the lists.
>>>>
>>>> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the
>>>> lists, as
>>>> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part
>>>> ; and
>>>> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment
>>>> just
>>>> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
>>>>
>>>> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If
>>>> you
>>>> go on
>>>> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here,
>>>> itis
>>>> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay
>>>> the sign
>>>> of your following manipulation.
>>>>
>>>> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend
>>>> on my
>>>> private life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>>>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
>>>>>> no, dears, no !
>>>>>> in these occasions,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just tell :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
>>>>> saying "Dude?"
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond
>>>>> by
>>>>> saying "Dude!"
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by
>>>>> randomly
>>>> saying
>>>>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>>>>>
>>>>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning
>>>>> your
>>>> name,
>>>>> respond by saying "Lag."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> f.
>>>>> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>


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From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 18:42:11 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:42:11 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <1055.82.224.112.161.1083774649.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>

it is aperitiev time at syndicate.

cheers.

Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:30 Europe/Paris, v.n.a.t.r.c.? a écrit :

> should have written 'lager'
> but we're not so tâtillons,
> are we ?
>
> kisses
> astrëe
>
>
>> Sure ?
>> Okie !
>>
>>
>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:00 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a écrit 
>> :
>>
>>> Right on.
>>>
>>> f.
>>>
>>> Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
>>>
>>>> i'll have half a lagger.
>>>>
>>>> the other one once the job finished.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> OG
>>>>
>>>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>>>> écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
>>>>> managment of this list -
>>>>> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real
>>>>> name. Is
>>>>> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to 
>>>>> play
>>>>> on my
>>>>> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop
>>>>> any
>>>>> other
>>>>> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not 
>>>>> wait
>>>>> for
>>>>> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was
>>>>> coming from
>>>>> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order 
>>>>> of
>>>>> my
>>>>> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be 
>>>>> used
>>>>> here,
>>>>> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I
>>>>> insist that
>>>>> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend 
>>>>> knowing
>>>>> every
>>>>> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be
>>>>> grateful
>>>>> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by
>>>>> every
>>>>> mon on the lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the
>>>>> lists, as
>>>>> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery 
>>>>> part
>>>>> ; and
>>>>> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the 
>>>>> moment
>>>>> just
>>>>> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If
>>>>> you
>>>>> go on
>>>>> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here,
>>>>> itis
>>>>> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay
>>>>> the sign
>>>>> of your following manipulation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f 
>>>>> friend
>>>>> on my
>>>>> private life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>>>>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
>>>>>>> no, dears, no !
>>>>>>> in these occasions,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just tell :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [
>>>>>>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
>>>>>> saying "Dude?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, 
>>>>>> respond
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> saying "Dude!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by
>>>>>> randomly
>>>>> saying
>>>>>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning
>>>>>> your
>>>>> name,
>>>>>> respond by saying "Lag."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> f.
>>>>>> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) 
>>>>>> reference...
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
> <pre>
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>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
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From eric.m at bobig.com  Wed May  5 18:50:37 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:50:37 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <40991B5D.1030905@bobig.com>

==> je prendrai un verre de ardbeg sans glace.
merci.

où sont les cahouettes ?

ctgr-pavu.com a écrit :

>  it is aperitiev time at syndicate.
>
>  cheers.
>
>  Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:30 Europe/Paris, v.n.a.t.r.c.? a écrit
>  :
>
> > should have written 'lager' but we're not so tâtillons, are we ?
> >
> > kisses astrëe
> >
> >
> >> Sure ? Okie !
> >>
> >>
> >> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:00 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a
> >> écrit :
> >>
> >>> Right on.
> >>>
> >>> f.
> >>>
> >>> Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
> >>>
> >>>> i'll have half a lagger.
> >>>>
> >>>> the other one once the job finished.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- OG
> >>>>
> >>>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette
> >>>> Guibert a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical
> >>>>> name of managment of this list - if he would not play with
> >>>>> my own name as my address here is my real name. Is is
> >>>>> exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow
> >>>>> to play on my own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and
> >>>>> hope from you to stop any other real threats onme you my
> >>>>> activity and on my friends.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I
> >>>>> do not wait for apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because
> >>>>> the indiscretion was coming from him, and provocation as
> >>>>> uncivility on questions in a private order of my life and
> >>>>> my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be
> >>>>> used here, and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a
> >>>>> home familial (I insist that was my family and resident
> >>>>> family more one of my best friend knowing every body, more
> >>>>> my american resident friends and their own friends to be
> >>>>> grateful to them) private dinner. That is much more than
> >>>>> names well known by every mon on the lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users
> >>>>> of the lists, as moderators, and their names to be
> >>>>> published a most time forevery part ; and I remembre to
> >>>>> have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment just
> >>>>> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and
> >>>>> threat. If you go on ask name or name to testify on your
> >>>>> complicity with other one here, itis their own problem. But
> >>>>> that is absolutely sure is that in this stay the sign of
> >>>>> your following manipulation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to
> >>>>> your f friend on my private life.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fmadre at free.fr> To:
> >>>>> <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> no, dears, no ! in these occasions,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> just tell :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [ form_elow als_oose big bonbon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark,
> >>>>>> respond by saying "Dude?"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation
> >>>>>> point, respond by saying "Dude!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond
> >>>>>> by randomly
> >>>>>
> >>>>> saying
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by
> >>>>>> mentioning your
> >>>>>
> >>>>> name,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> respond by saying "Lag."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> f. ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop)
> >>>>>> reference...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >>> without permission
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
> > ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> > </pre>
> >
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> > without permission
>
>
>
>
>  -------------------------
>
>
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From a at e8z.org  Wed May  5 19:20:45 2004
From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:20:45 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <40991B5D.1030905@bobig.com>
References: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr> <40991B5D.1030905@bobig.com>
Message-ID: <8B21FCD2-9EB8-11D8-9432-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>

dear claudia,
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lag&f=1
feel free to make up your own!
Au-



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 19:25:51 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:25:51 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re:
In-Reply-To: <AFFF19C2-9EB2-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <a06002007bcbebe79fb68@[213.23.155.147]>
 <AFFF19C2-9EB2-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505192527.01f1cec0@pop.free.fr>

Dude!

f.
At 18:38 05/05/2004, you wrote:

>Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:27 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a écrit :
>
>>>i'll have half a lagger.
>>
>>can you use another word please ?
>
>Dude ?
>lager should fit.
>
>I also found "lager lout"
>little different of blonde loute
>
>>
>>I just wished to condemn you
>>but I cannot find this word in my dictionary
>>
>>
>>>
>>>the other one once the job finished.
>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>OG
>>
>>nice try
>>Officer Général
>
>you're very kind
>thanks
>++
>thx f. for the rules
>
>>-
>>
>>claudia
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Wed May  5 14:24:48 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com)
Date: Wed May  5 14:24:48 2004
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Message-ID: <1083777904.Intra.Sammlung@chromaticspaceandworld.com>


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From vnatrc at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 11:43:45 2004
From: vnatrc at vnatrc.net (v.n.a.t.r.c.?)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:43:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] any poem to say good night
In-Reply-To: <1c3d01c4320e$f40b78e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <1c3d01c4320e$f40b78e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1083750225.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

à moi 'l me semble plutôt
glabre

:)

kisses
astrëe

> any complement:
>
> f abre and l adre m(akes) m(iser) not mister m adre
>
>
> 'of course of the source
>
>


<pre>
                           _____________________________
<a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
                           ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
</pre>


From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 19:41:55 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:41:55 +0200
Subject: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in this century...
In-Reply-To: <a05100303bcbebc58d1f8@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <1083770695.6351.ezmlm@chugchanga.org>
 <a05100303bcbebc58d1f8@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505193937.01f3cec0@pop.free.fr>

At 18:46 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>"Franz Ferdinand are the unholy love child of the Monochrome Set and ABC. The
>suavely offhand, arch vocal style is *so* Bid-esque. Bubblegum, but it still
>tastes good."
>
>Singer Alex's previous band had an album produced by Bid , fact fans...

they still sound like a scot The Rapture to me
and that is worse than Peter Gabriel
(The Lamb dies down on Broadway is an album I remember fondly as well as 
the Tour that went with it)

>goodness me, a Throbbing Gristle retrospective? whatever next?

a Biff Bang Pow reunion gig ?

f. 



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 19:45:45 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:45:45 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <1055.82.224.112.161.1083774649.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
 <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505194508.01eb5370@pop.free.fr>

At 18:42 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>it is aperitiev time at syndicate.

Aliette's time to foot the bill

f. 



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 19:47:51 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:47:51 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in this
  century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505193937.01f3cec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <1083770695.6351.ezmlm@chugchanga.org>
 <a05100303bcbebc58d1f8@[10.0.1.2]>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040505193937.01f3cec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505194716.01ec6ec0@pop.free.fr>

That was a Melon, technically.

f.

At 19:41 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>At 18:46 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>>"Franz Ferdinand are the unholy love child of the Monochrome Set and ABC. The
>>suavely offhand, arch vocal style is *so* Bid-esque. Bubblegum, but it still
>>tastes good."
>>
>>Singer Alex's previous band had an album produced by Bid , fact fans...
>
>they still sound like a scot The Rapture to me
>and that is worse than Peter Gabriel
>(The Lamb dies down on Broadway is an album I remember fondly as well as 
>the Tour that went with it)
>
>>goodness me, a Throbbing Gristle retrospective? whatever next?
>
>a Biff Bang Pow reunion gig ?
>
>f.
>
>
>
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 19:28:13 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:28:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405051728.i45HSDQ57511@www.god-emil.dk>




on MOTHER FUCKERZ

http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/easy.2.share.jpg









From email at ctrlaltdel.org  Wed May  5 20:07:16 2004
From: email at ctrlaltdel.org (Peter Luining)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:07:16 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in this  century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505194716.01ec6ec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <1083770695.6351.ezmlm@chugchanga.org> <a05100303bcbebc58d1f8@[10.0.1.2]> <6.1.0.6.0.20040505193937.01f3cec0@pop.free.fr> <6.1.0.6.0.20040505194716.01ec6ec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <40992D54.9020401@ctrlaltdel.org>

Frederic Madre wrote:

 > That was a Melon, technically.
 >
 > f.
 >
 > At 19:41 05/05/2004, you wrote:
 >
 >> At 18:46 05/05/2004, you wrote:
 >>
 >>> "Franz Ferdinand are the unholy love child of the Monochrome Set 
and ABC. The
 >>> suavely offhand, arch vocal style is *so* Bid-esque. Bubblegum, but 
it still




Nothing tastes as real bubblegum
check out:
Tommy James & The Shondells
lemon pipers
Ohio Express
fruitgum co.and not to forget our national heroe George Baker with 
little green bag






From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 19:44:13 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:44:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ new media and jankee kapitalism
Message-ID: <200405051744.i45HiDi57533@www.god-emil.dk>



apropos new media organizations. Cycling74 INC. and extra MOTHER FUCKERZ


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0504-01.htm











From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 19:52:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:52:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405051752.i45HqIT57565@www.god-emil.dk>





war against drugs - another jankee MOTHER FUCKERZ oxymoron

whilst jankee MOTHER FUCKERZ culture inflates the self 
with the logical continuation of escaping into the private world of drugs - ie. it is anti-love
it deklares war against it. ie. using force to resolve force. -> equiv of get F A T then D I E T


simply.imbecilic MOTHER FUCKERZ








From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 20:38:31 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:38:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <200405051752.i45HqIT57565@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405051752.i45HqIT57565@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405051437590.12310@panix3.panix.com>



Running through a LOT of spam today for some reason and as soon as I saw
MFZ, I knew it was you...

Alan


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> with the logical continuation of escaping into the private world of drugs - ie. it is anti-love
> it deklares war against it. ie. using force to resolve force. -> equiv of get F A T then D I E T
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 20:16:15 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:16:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405051816.i45IGFr57600@www.god-emil.dk>



genes - genes get turned on/off by lifestyle 
environment




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Belarus Woman Celebrates 116th Birthday
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May 5, 1:52 PM (ET)
By YURAS KARMANAU 
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MINSK, Belarus (AP) - A woman believed to be the oldest in the world celebrated her 116th birthday Wednesday in the former Soviet republic of Belarus.

"I'll drink to my own health with pleasure," said Hanna Barysevich, a former farm worker who lives in a house outside the Belarusian capital Minsk.

"I'm tired of living already, but God still hasn't collected me," she said with a smile.

Barysevich was born on May 5, 1888, in the village of Buda, 37 miles east of Minsk, according to her passport. Her parents were poor, landless peasants.

"From my early childhood I didn't know anything but physical labor," said Barysevich, who never learned to read or write. She worked in a kolkhoz, or collective farm, until age 95, then moved to the house she shares with her 78-year-old daughter Nina.

Barysevich lived through the Bolshevik Revolution, two world wars and the collapse of the Soviet Union. The worst period for her was the reign of dictator Josef Stalin: Her husband Ippolit was declared an "enemy of the people" for allegedly harming the collective farm, arrested and taken to Siberia. He was never heard from again.

She raised her three children on her own, including throughout World War II, when she used to take her family to the woods outside the village to hide from the Nazis.

"A lot of men courted me but I preferred to live on my own," she said.

Today, Barysevich moves with difficulty but unaided. She complains of occasional headaches and worsening vision "but nothing else bothers me."

She attributes her longevity to genes: Her paternal grandmother was 113 when she died. As to diet, Barysevich prefers simple village food: homemade sausages, pork fat, milk and bread.

Daughter Nina said her mother has a good appetite, a tough character and very strong nerves.

"Throughout my long life, I understood that it isn't worth it to get upset and take everything too close to the heart," Barysevich said.

For her birthday, she hoped for a raise in her monthly pension, equal to about $50, and a chance to go to a Catholic church for confession.

Last month, the Guinness Book of Records recognized a 114-year-old Puerto Rican as the world's oldest living woman. Barysevich said she'd never thought of applying for the distinction. 







From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 20:25:21 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:25:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405051825.i45IPLM57614@www.god-emil.dk>



"A lot of men courted me but I preferred to live on my own," she said.


alors - romantic love sabotagez longevity.



"Throughout my long life, I understood that it isn't worth it to get upset and take everything too close to the heart," Barysevich said.


the key to immortality is to not care about anything



especially  the  self


ie. jankee MOTHER FUCKERZ KULTUR - new more efficient ways of killing people







http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040505/D82CIJU80.html

unconscious occident MOTHER FUCKERS

rene beekman

>>                 \\ 01 BALKAN KONFEDERAZIE
>
>have said before and will say again; the balkans object against your 
>agitprop and do not wish to be associated with it


inSECT22
 
>>>                 \\ 01 BALKAN KONFEDERAZIE 
>> 
>> have said before and will say again; the balkans object against your 
>> agitprop and do not wish to be associated with it
>
>"Our voices are not raised in any harmonious chorus"












From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 21:04:23 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:04:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: well it's time for mopping up operations
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405051504120.21626@panix2.panix.com>


well it's time for mopping up operations
we did what we could and everyone's underground
there are gibbets and wires
we've moved everyone to times square and turned up the heat
oh we are so unamerican when we torture
but nn's right we're motherfuckerz
bush says that justice will be delivered
but he already delivered it motherfucker

i like mothers and fucking so forgive me everyone
i have borrowed my style for a moment

http://www.asondheim.org/target.mov


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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 22:47:30 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 22:47:30 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in
  this  century...
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505224609.01f34ec0@parma.pair.com>

I think this was meant for ALL
(peter is another person I have to answer also privately, just wait I'm 
getting geared for it)

f.

>X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 0
>Delivered-To: online.fr-fmadre at free.fr
>Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:06:11 +0200
>From: Peter Luining <email at ctrlaltdel.org>
>Organization: ctrlaltdel
>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) 
>Gecko/20030901 Thunderbird/0.2
>X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
>To: Frederic Madre <fmadre at free.fr>
>Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in 
>this  century...
>
>Frederic Madre wrote:
>>That was a Melon, technically.
>>f.
>>At 19:41 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>>
>>>At 18:46 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Franz Ferdinand are the unholy love child of the Monochrome Set and 
>>>>ABC. The
>>>>suavely offhand, arch vocal style is *so* Bid-esque. Bubblegum, but it 
>>>>still
>
>
>
>Nothing tastes as real bubblegum
>check out:
>Tommy James & The Shondells
>lemon pipers
>Ohio Express
>fruitgum co.and not to forget our national heroe George Baker with little 
>green bag
>
>
>



From media at ezaic.de  Wed May  5 23:11:35 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:11:35 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in
   this  century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505224609.01f34ec0@parma.pair.com>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505224609.01f34ec0@parma.pair.com>
Message-ID: <a0600200cbcbf045059c6@[213.23.155.147]>

>I think this was meant for ALL
>(peter is another person I have to answer also privately, just wait 
>I'm getting geared for it)


>
>f.
>

you still look kind of surprised ...
found this for you:


Metaphor has long been treated with both veneration and suspicion. 
Thomas Hobbes (1651: Part 1, Ch. 4) identified the use of metaphor as 
one of four cardinal abuses of language and his misgivings about the 
power metaphor has to obfuscate and corrupt thinking have been 
characteristic of the empiricist tradition which he helped to 
inaugurate.

http://www.ul.ie/~philos/vol4/metaphor.html


but
the closest to to the 'real' problem might be found here:
http://superstringtheory.com/forum/relboard/messages11/69.html


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May  6 07:01:24 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 07:01:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405060501.i4651OJ58713@www.god-emil.dk>



"Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>

>thanks to your talent I am she but radioactiv

you are god


>fffffffff*

fu*k you 


>"A lot of men courted me but I preferred to live on my own,"

it is trivial kneeling before god


>For her birthday, she hoped for a raise in her monthly pension,

it is trivial kneeling before god






From hub at x-arn.org  Thu May  6 10:47:15 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Thu,  6 May 2004 10:47:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
Message-ID: <20040506084715.9A6B1470B8@baloo.ou-data.net>


u want this bullshit list to continue you better forward this 

> messag

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From a at e8z.org  Thu May  6 12:01:52 2004
From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:01:52 +0200
Subject: you must be careful in the forest
Message-ID: <65E5E792-9F44-11D8-9CFF-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>

The Ogress Queen
An Indian (Kashmiri) Tale

People tell a story about a king who had seven wives but no children. 
When he married the first woman, he thought she would bear him a son. 
When she didn't, he married a second with the same hope. When she too 
turned out to be barren, he married a third, then a fourth, and then 
the others. But no son and heir was born to make his heart glad and to 
sit on the throne after him.

Overwhelmed by grief, he was walking in a neighboring wood one day when 
he saw a woman of supernatural beauty.

"Where are you going?" she asked.

"I'm very miserable," he said. "I have seven wives but no son and heir 
to call my own. I came to this wood today hoping to meet some holy man 
who might bless me with a son."

"And you expect to find such a person here in these lonely woods?" she 
asked, laughing. "Only I live here. But I can help you. What will you 
give me if I give you what you wish?"

"Give me a son and you can have half my country."

"I don't want your gold or your country. I want you. Marry me, and you 
shall have a son. and heir."

The king agreed, took the beautiful woman to his palace, and married 
her that very week.

Very soon after that, all the other wives of the king became pregnant. 
However, the king's joy did not last long. The beautiful woman whom he 
had married was really an ogress. She had appeared before the king as a 
lovely woman only to deceive him and work mischief in his palace. Every 
night, when the entire royal household was fast asleep, she would rise 
and go to the stables and pens, and there she would eat an elephant, a 
horse or two, some sheep, or a camel. Once her hunger for raw meat and 
thirst for blood were satisfied, she would return to her room and 
behave as if nothing had happened. At first the king's servants were 
afraid to tell him they were missing some animals. But when the toll 
increased and more and more animals were taken every night, they had to 
go to him. He gave strict orders to protect the palace grounds and 
appointed guards everywhere. But the animals continued to disappear, 
and nobody knew how.

One night, the king was pacing in his room, not knowing what to do. His 
eighth and most beautiful wife said, "What will you give me if I 
discover the thief?"

"Anything. Everything," said the king.

"Very well, then. You rest now, and I'll show you the real culprits in 
the morning."

The king was soon fast asleep, and the wicked queen left the bedchamber 
and went straight to the sheep pens. She killed a sheep, filled an 
earthen pot with its blood, returned to the palace, went to the 
bedrooms of the other seven wives of the king, and stained their mouths 
and clothes with the blood she had brought. Then she went and lay down 
in the royal bedroom where the king was still sleeping. At dawn, she 
woke him up and said to him, "You won't believe this, but your other 
wives, all seven of them, are the true culprits. They eat live animals. 
They are not human beings; they are all ogresses. Beware of them. You 
too are in danger. Go now and see if what I say is not true."

The king did so, and when he saw the bloodstained mouths and clothes of 
his queens, he feared for his life and flew into a rage. He ordered 
that their eyes be put out at once and that they be thrown down a big 
dry well outside the city and left there to starve to death. And it was 
done.

The very next week, one of them gave birth to a son. The starving 
queens, nearly dead of hunger, couldn't help eating the newborn child 
for food. When another queen had a son, he too was eaten. As each of 
the other queens gave birth to a son, that child was devoured in turn. 
The seventh wife, who was the last to give birth, did not eat her 
portions of the other wives' children, but kept them till her own son 
was born. When he was born, she begged them not to kill him but take 
the portions she had saved. So this child alone was spared.

The baby grew and became a strong and beautiful boy. When he was six 
years old, the seven women thought they should show him a bit of the 
outer world. But how? The well was deep, and its sides were 
perpendicular. At last one of them thought of a way. They stood on each 
other's heads, and the one who stood on the top of all took the boy 
with her and put him on the bank at the well's mouth. The little fellow 
ran here and there and finally to the palace nearby, entered the 
kitchen, and begged for some food. He got a lot of scraps. He ate some 
of the food and brought the rest to his mother and the king's other 
wives.

This continued for some time. He grew bigger and taller. One morning 
the cook asked him to stay and prepare the dishes for the king. The 
cook's mother had just died and he had to go and arrange for the 
cremation of the body. The clever boy promised to do his best, and the 
cook left. That day the king was particularly pleased with the dishes. 
Everything was rightly cooked, nicely seasoned, and beautifully served. 
In the evening the cook returned. The king sent for him and 
complimented him on the excellent food he had prepared that day and 
asked him to cook like that every day. The cook was an honest man and 
confessed that he had been absent most of the day because his mother 
had died. He told the king that he had hired a boy to do the cooking 
that day. When he heard this, the king was surprised and commanded the 
cook to employ the boy regularly in the kitchen. From then on, there 
was a great difference in the king's meals and the service, and His 
Majesty was more and more pleased with the boy and sent him many 
presents. The boy took them and all the food he could carry to his 
mother and the king's other wives.

On the way to the well each day, he had to pass a fakir, who always 
blessed him and asked for alms and always received something. Some 
years had passed this way, and the boy had grown up to be a handsome 
young man, when one day by chance the wicked queen saw him. She was 
struck by his good looks. She asked him who he was and where he came 
from. The boy didn't know whom he was talking to and so told her 
everything about himself and his mother and the other queens in the 
well. And from that moment on, the wicked woman began to plot against 
his life. She pretended to be sick and called in a doctor. She bribed 
him to tell the king that she was mortally ill and that nothing but the 
milk of a tigress would cure her.

"My love, what's this I hear?" said the king when he went to see his 
wife. "The doctor says you're very ill, and that you should drink the 
milk of a tigress. But how can we get it? Who will dare milk a 
tigress?"

"I think I know someone who is brave enough to milk a tigress
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the lad who serves the cook in the palace kitchen. He is brave and 
faithful, and he'll do anything you ask him to do, out of gratitude for 
all you've done for him."

When the king asked the young man to go and get the milk of a tigress, 
he readily agreed. When he started out the next day, against all the 
women's wails and protests, he met the fakir on the way. When the fakir 
heard of his dangerous errand, he said to the young man, "Don't go. Who 
are you to take on such derring-do?" But the fellow was determined to 
win the king's favor and he was also eager for adventure. The fakir 
finally said, "All right, then follow my advice and you'll succeed. 
I'll tell you where to go. When you meet the tigress, aim a small arrow 
at one of her teats. When the arrow strikes her, she will ask you why 
you shot at her. Then tell her that you didn't mean to kill her, but 
only to make a bigger hole in her teats so that she could feed her cubs 
more quickly. Tell her that you pitied the cubs, who looked weak and 
sickly as if they needed more milk." Then, with the fakir's blessing, 
he went to the forest to look for the tigress.

The young man soon saw a tigress with cubs, aimed an arrow at one of 
the teats, and struck it. The tigress angrily asked him why he had 
attacked her. He replied as the fakir had told him to, and added that 
the queen was dangerously ill and needed the tigress's milk for her 
cure. "The queen!" said the tigress. "Let her die! Don't you know she 
is an ogress? Keep away from her. She'll kill you and eat you."

"I'm not afraid," said the young man. "Her Majesty is not my enemy."

"Very well, I'll give you some of my milk, but beware of the queen. 
Look here," said the tigress, taking him to an immense rock, "I'll let 
a drop of my milk fall on this rock and you'll see what happens." As 
soon as she did so, the rock split into a thousand pieces! "You see the 
power of my milk. Yet if that queen were to drink the whole of my milk, 
it would not have the slightest effect on her. She is an ogress, I tell 
you. Go and see for yourself."

The young man returned and gave the milk to the king, who took it to 
his wife. She drank all of it in one gulp and pretended to be cured. 
The king was very impressed with the young man and promoted him to a 
higher position. But the queen was determined to put an end to him and 
was still plotting. After some days, she pretended to be ill again, and 
told the king, "I'm getting ill again, but don't worry about me. My 
grandfather lives in the same jungle as the tigress who gave the young 
man her milk. He has a special medicine that would cure me. Please ask 
the brave young man to go and get it for me. "

So the young man started out again, and when he passed the fakir, the 
fakir said to him, "Where are you going?" The young man told him.

"Don't go," said the fakir. "This man is an ogre and will certainly 
kill you." But the young man was not to be talked out of it. "You must 
go? Then go, but listen to me first. When you see the ogre, call him 
Grandfather. He will ask you to scratch his back, which you must do
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but do it very roughly."

The young man promised, and went. The jungle was fearful and dense and 
he thought he would never reach the ogre's house. At last he saw him, 
and cried out, "Grandfather, I'm your daughter's son. My mother is ill 
and she says you have the right medicine for her. She has sent me for 
it."

"All right," said the ogre, "I'll give it to you. But first come here 
and scratch my back. It's itching terribly." The ogre lied, for his 
back did not itch. He only wanted to see whether or not the young 
fellow was the true son of an ogress. When the young man dug his nails 
into the old ogre's flesh and made as if he would scratch some of it 
off, the ogre asked him to stop, gave him the medicine, patted him, and 
sent him back. When the king gave the medicine to his wife, she was 
secretly full of rage. But the king was now more pleased with the young 
man than ever and gave him large gifts.

The wicked queen was now at her wits' end to know what to do with such 
a lad. She wanted him out of the way but she didn't want the king to 
know it. The fellow had escaped from the claws of a tigress and the 
clutches of her grandfather. How did he do it? What could she do to 
him? Finally she decided to send him to her grandmother, a terrible old 
ogress who lived in a house in the woods. "This time, he will not come 
back," she said to herself, and said to the king, "I've a very valuable 
comb at my grandmother's place. Could you send the young man to bring 
it to me? I'll give him a letter to take to my grandmother." The king 
agreed and the lad started out, passing the fakir's place as usual. 
When he told him where he was going and showed him the queen's letter, 
the fakir said, "Let me read it."

When he had read it, he said, "You're going there to be killed. This 
letter is an order for your death. Listen to this: The bearer is my 
enemy. I cannot rest as long as he is alive. Kill him as soon as this 
reaches you."

The boy shook a little when he heard these terrible words, but he 
didn't wish to break his promise to the king even if it cost him his 
life. So the fakir tore up the queen's letter and wrote a new one which 
said, "This is my son. I want him to meet his great-grandmother. Take 
care of him and show him a good time." The fakir then gave the new 
letter to him and said, "Call the woman Grandma, and don't be afraid of 
her."

The young man walked on and on till he reached the old ogress' house. 
He called her Grandma and gave her the letter. The old hag read the 
letter and hugged and kissed him, and asked how her granddaughter and 
her royal husband were doing. She attended to him in all sorts of ways 
and gave him every valuable thing she could think of. Among other 
things, she gave him a bar of soap that became a huge mountain when it 
was thrown to the grounds a jar full of needles that became a hill 
bristling with thorns when thrown down, and a jar of water that became 
a wide lake when spilled on the ground She also showed him various 
secret things and explained their meaning: seven fine cocks, a spinning 
wheel, a pigeon, a starling, and a bottle of medicine.

"These seven cocks," she said, "contain the lives of your seven uncles, 
who are in different parts of the world. No power can hurt them as long 
as these seven cocks are safe. That's why I keep them here. The 
spinning wheel contains my life. If it's broken, I'll be broken and 
will die. Otherwise, I'll live forever. The pigeon contains your 
grandfather's life, and the starling your mother's. As long as they 
live, nothing can harm your grandfather or your mother. And this 
medicine can give sight to the blind."

The young man thanked the ogress for all the things she had given him 
and for all the things she had shown him. In the morning, when the 
ogress went to bathe in the river, he took the seven cocks and the 
pigeon and killed them, and dashed the spinning wheel to the ground and 
broke it to pieces. As he destroyed the birds and the spinning wheel, 
the ogress, the ogre, and their seven sons in different parts of the 
world perished, making horrible sounds. Then he put the starling in a 
cage, took it and the precious medicine for restoring sight to the 
blind, and started back for the king's palace. His first stop was at 
the well, where he gave the eye medicine to his mother and the other 
women and restored their eyesight. They all clambered out of the well 
and went with him to the palace. He asked them to wait in one of the 
rooms while he went to the king and prepared him for their coming.

"O king," he said, "I've many secrets to reveal. Please hear me. Your 
wife is a ogress, and has been plotting against my life because she 
knows I am the son of one of your wives. You remember the seven queens 
you threw into a well at her instigation? I am your son by the seventh 
queen. Your eighth queen, the ogress, is afraid you'll discover one day 
soon who I am and that I'll become heir to the throne. She wants me 
dead. I've just slain her father and mother and seven brothers, and now 
I'll kill her. Her life is in this starling." Saying this, he twisted 
the neck of the bird, and the wicked queen died on the spot with a 
broken neck. And when she died, her original, ghastly ogress form 
returned to her as she lay sprawled on the ground. "Now come with me," 
he said to his father, and took him to his seven queens. "Here are your 
true wives. There were seven sons born to your house, but six of them 
died to satisfy the pangs of hunger in that well of death. Only I have 
survived."

"Oh, what have I done!" cried the king. "I was deceived, I was blind, 
and I've done terrible things to my innocent wives." And he wept 
bitterly.

He gave his kingdom into the hands of his only son, who governed it 
wisely. The young king also conquered the surrounding countries with 
the help of the magic bar of soap, the needles, and the water that the 
ogress had given him. The old king spent the rest of his days happily 
with his seven good wives.

From eric.m at bobig.com  Thu May  6 14:40:25 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 14:40:25 +0200
Subject: P2P
Message-ID: <409A3239.1080508@bobig.com>

download and create your own bobig's show at home

http://www.bobig.com/daily/archives/002064.html

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rigolote translation
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From sonnet at crimsonfeet.org  Thu May  6 15:27:41 2004
From: sonnet at crimsonfeet.org (Prayas Abhinav)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:57:41 +0530
Subject: Crimson Feet, Volume 3 : Theme, Scope and A Call for Entries
Message-ID: <409A3D4D.6000304@crimsonfeet.org>

Crimson Feet, Volume 3
Theme, Scope and A Call for Entries
Newsletter, Issue 1, 5th May'04

-----------------------------------------------***

Crimson Feet, the bi-monthly journal of evolutionary art and writing is
publishing its third volume in May'04. This note presents a brief
outline of the pervading theme, structure, scope and a call for new work.

Volume 3 - Theme:
*Poof* - the pyramid's gone and so is the mythical underground

Approaches:
The pyramid as a hierarchy is a classical symbol of the burden the
underdog carries on his shoulder. The burden of the need to rise up the
hierarchy, the burden of the need to survive, the burden of living with
the conscious presence of accomplished and 'risen'. But the pyramid can
also be equity, a disintegrated pyramid is a maze, an integrated pyramid
is a multi-dimension.

The pyramid as a hierarchy is a product of the universal lack of
conviction.

Scope:
Essays, art, poetry, fiction looking at the pyramid structurally. A
study of the structure of the pyramid as well as its deformations and
mutations can reveal some interesting things about hierarchies, the
underground and the *Poof* effect. The *Poof* effect has been felt by
numerous individuals and organizations at different points in their
life. It suddenly makes you feel
liberated and free to do anything, to feel anything, even 'happiness';
some instances of the *Poof* would be interesting. Strains of humour or
sarcasm will fit in well. Interpretation can be with any foci.
Specifically work which draws similarities and 'cross-solutions' across
different genres and fields e.g. open-source, the software industry and
the music industry is a ready example.

A Call for Entries:
We need new essays, fiction, art, a work of graphic fiction and poetry
which are vaguely or distinctly related to the above theme.

Anyone can send in their work, submissions are accepted only through our
online community center ( http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org )

Deadline for the third issue: May 15th 2004.

We pay Rs 250 for all work accepted for publication.

The-pickup-line: "Owe, you never understand me."

-----------------------------------------------***

Other spaces:
Work not confined to this theme will be considered for future issues.

Other relevant information:
Submissions are accepted online only at our community center at -
http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org

Know and read more about the magazine at http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org
, Crimson Feet, is a new short-staffed, resource-starved magazine which
is the world's first community owned, community-moderated,
community-created print magazine. And yes it is also community-bought,
something which we would like to correct, buy a subscription and get
somebody to buy one.

evolved art & writing, which doesn't try too hard to bore you.

-----------------------------------------------***

Crimson Feet Magazine,
published from Ahmedabad, India
contact: mail at crimsonfeet.org , 91-079-8311979
B2 Shree Krishna Apartments,
Near Lad Society, Vastrapur,
Ahmedabad ? 380015

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------





From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May  6 05:14:00 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 05:14:00 +0200
Subject: Ceci n'est pas un virus
Message-ID: <2cdf01c43318$2dba6b00$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May  6 06:45:35 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 06:45:35 +0200
Subject: Fw: [syndicate] 
Message-ID: <2e1b01c43324$f90eea40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

other test

Let's notice that I am She but back-radioactiv as Belarus



> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <integer at www.god-emil.dk>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:16 PM
> Subject: [syndicate]
>
>
> >
> >
> > genes - genes get turned on/off by lifestyle
> > environment
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > AP ? Reuters ? Photos
> >
> > Belarus Woman Celebrates 116th Birthday
> > Email this Story
> >
> > May 5, 1:52 PM (ET)
> > By YURAS KARMANAU
> > (AP) Belarusian Hanna Barysevich, believed to be the oldest woman in the
> world, is seen at home outside...
> > Full Image
> >
> > MINSK, Belarus (AP) - A woman believed to be the oldest in the world
> celebrated her 116th birthday Wednesday in the former Soviet republic of
> Belarus.
> >
> > "I'll drink to my own health with pleasure," said Hanna Barysevich, a
> former farm worker who lives in a house outside the Belarusian capital
> Minsk.
> >
> > "I'm tired of living already, but God still hasn't collected me," she
said
> with a smile.
> >
> > Barysevich was born on May 5, 1888, in the village of Buda, 37 miles
east
> of Minsk, according to her passport. Her parents were poor, landless
> peasants.
> >
> > "From my early childhood I didn't know anything but physical labor,"
said
> Barysevich, who never learned to read or write. She worked in a kolkhoz,
or
> collective farm, until age 95, then moved to the house she shares with her
> 78-year-old daughter Nina.
> >
> > Barysevich lived through the Bolshevik Revolution, two world wars and
the
> collapse of the Soviet Union. The worst period for her was the reign of
> dictator Josef Stalin: Her husband Ippolit was declared an "enemy of the
> people" for allegedly harming the collective farm, arrested and taken to
> Siberia. He was never heard from again.
> >
> > She raised her three children on her own, including throughout World War
> II, when she used to take her family to the woods outside the village to
> hide from the Nazis.
> >
> > "A lot of men courted me but I preferred to live on my own," she said.
> >
> > Today, Barysevich moves with difficulty but unaided. She complains of
> occasional headaches and worsening vision "but nothing else bothers me."
> >
> > She attributes her longevity to genes: Her paternal grandmother was 113
> when she died. As to diet, Barysevich prefers simple village food:
homemade
> sausages, pork fat, milk and bread.
> >
> > Daughter Nina said her mother has a good appetite, a tough character and
> very strong nerves.
> >
> > "Throughout my long life, I understood that it isn't worth it to get
upset
> and take everything too close to the heart," Barysevich said.
> >
> > For her birthday, she hoped for a raise in her monthly pension, equal to
> about $50, and a chance to go to a Catholic church for confession.
> >
> > Last month, the Guinness Book of Records recognized a 114-year-old
Puerto
> Rican as the world's oldest living woman. Barysevich said she'd never
> thought of applying for the distinction.
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From prayas_abhinav at crimsonfeet.org  Thu May  6 15:27:14 2004
From: prayas_abhinav at crimsonfeet.org (Prayas Abhinav)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:57:14 +0530
Subject: Crimson Feet, Volume 3 : Theme, Scope and A Call for Entries
Message-ID: <409A3D32.7030808@crimsonfeet.org>

Crimson Feet, Volume 3
Theme, Scope and A Call for Entries
Newsletter, Issue 1, 5th May'04

-----------------------------------------------***

Crimson Feet, the bi-monthly journal of evolutionary art and writing is 
publishing its third volume in May'04. This note presents a brief 
outline of the pervading theme, structure, scope and a call for new work.

Volume 3 - Theme:
*Poof* - the pyramid's gone and so is the mythical underground

Approaches:
The pyramid as a hierarchy is a classical symbol of the burden the 
underdog carries on his shoulder. The burden of the need to rise up the 
hierarchy, the burden of the need to survive, the burden of living with 
the conscious presence of accomplished and 'risen'. But the pyramid can 
also be equity, a disintegrated pyramid is a maze, an integrated pyramid 
is a multi-dimension.

The pyramid as a hierarchy is a product of the universal lack of 
conviction.

Scope:
Essays, art, poetry, fiction looking at the pyramid structurally. A 
study of the structure of the pyramid as well as its deformations and 
mutations can reveal some interesting things about hierarchies, the 
underground and the *Poof* effect. The *Poof* effect has been felt by 
numerous individuals and organizations at different points in their 
life. It suddenly makes you feel
liberated and free to do anything, to feel anything, even 'happiness'; 
some instances of the *Poof* would be interesting. Strains of humour or 
sarcasm will fit in well. Interpretation can be with any foci. 
Specifically work which draws similarities and 'cross-solutions' across 
different genres and fields e.g. open-source, the software industry and 
the music industry is a ready example.

A Call for Entries:
We need new essays, fiction, art, a work of graphic fiction and poetry 
which are vaguely or distinctly related to the above theme.

Anyone can send in their work, submissions are accepted only through our 
online community center ( http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org )

Deadline for the third issue: May 15th 2004.

We pay Rs 250 for all work accepted for publication.

The-pickup-line: "Owe, you never understand me."

-----------------------------------------------***

Other spaces:
Work not confined to this theme will be considered for future issues.

Other relevant information:
Submissions are accepted online only at our community center at -
http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org

Know and read more about the magazine at http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org 
, Crimson Feet, is a new short-staffed, resource-starved magazine which 
is the world's first community owned, community-moderated, 
community-created print magazine. And yes it is also community-bought, 
something which we would like to correct, buy a subscription and get 
somebody to buy one.

evolved art & writing, which doesn't try too hard to bore you.

-----------------------------------------------***

Crimson Feet Magazine,
published from Ahmedabad, India
contact: mail at crimsonfeet.org , 91-079-8311979
B2 Shree Krishna Apartments,
Near Lad Society, Vastrapur,
Ahmedabad ? 380015

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May  6 23:13:23 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 23:13:23 +0200
Subject: Melon of the day
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040506231254.01efb2b8@pop.free.fr>

Dude!
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/

f.



From info at realtokyo.co.jp  Fri May  7 04:51:24 2004
From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:51:24 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 178
Message-ID: <6DBE9623-9FD1-11D8-A7A0-00039390B296@realtokyo.co.jp>

R    E    A    L    T    O    K    Y    O    MAIL MAGAZINE
_____5_7_2004_Fri_vol.178_____ http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/



[This Week's Index]

(1) Tokyo Editors' Diary
Goto Shigeo ("Tokyo Gathering") Vol. 009

(2) Event Pick of the Week
Lightology-2
by Usui Haruka

(3) Presents
"Gaultier Le Male" eau de toilette



This week's RT Picks:

art+cinema+music+stage+design+town = 31 events
including 6 new ones!
Plus new entries on our 'book/disk' page.

Check them out!

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/


==============================================================
(1) Tokyo Editors' Diary
==============================================================

Goto Shigeo ("Tokyo Gathering") Vol. 009

April

If you asked me for the most exciting thing I did recently, that
would be my "participation" in the "Onbashira", a festival held
once every seven years in Suwa. The festival runs over several
days and includes a variety of celebrations, culminating in the
"Kiotoshi", in which a log (the "onbashira") is pushed down a hill
(or better, a cliff) of an angle of more than 40%.

Read more at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/diary/0048-henshucho.htm


===============================================================
(2) Event Pick of the Week
===============================================================

Lightology-2

In the fifth of "Frank Zappa Circuit" tribute events celebrating
the publication of Frank Zappa's autobiography "Zappa Jiden"
(Kawade Shobo), the performance group "Tokidoki-Jido" make their
long-awaited appearance. At first sight their style doesn't seem
to go well with the topic, but the way how they trick those who
thought they were only passive audience and get them involved in
the show on stage is something we know from Zappa too. The troupe
shows "Lightology-2", a piece they have shown in a recent performance
in Manila, in a rearranged Tokyo version. Opening acts are Kishino
Yuichi, Adachi Tomomi, and Vions -- all Zappaesque in one way or
another. The Mothers, by the way, would celebrate their 40th birthday
on 5/12.
--Usui Haruka

Details at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/event_cgi/ev_viewE.cgi?3,1080


===============================================================
(3) Presents
===============================================================

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From replic88t at replic88t.net  Fri May  7 11:10:43 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic88t at replic88t.net)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:10:43 +0200
Subject: ello! =))
Message-ID: <tmkyydqompeyhqacxwt@replic88t.net>

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From: mpalmer at jps.net (mpalmer at jps.net)
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when a fist will do as well.
Violence is timeless,
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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May  7 07:44:23 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 01:44:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: birth
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405070144160.19929@panix3.panix.com>




birth

http://www.asondheim.org/node.mp3


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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May  7 00:09:55 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:09:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405061809490.13677@panix3.panix.com>




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<hard return>
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Date: 7 May 2004 08:23:33 -0000
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From online at impakt.nl  Fri May  7 13:18:07 2004
From: online at impakt.nl (Impakt Online)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:18:07 +0200
Subject: Open call Impakt Online 2004: TRANSLATION
Message-ID: <a06002006bcc120e5c818@[82.82.101.110]>

Open call Impakt Online 2004

The Impakt foundation invites to artists to send proposals for their 
online art project Impakt Online. Impakt would like to show six 
projects by artists who use the Internet as medium as a starting 
point for their work (net. art).

The Impakt foundation started in 1988 by organising the Impakt 
Festival in Utrecht, the Netherlands. At this festival Impakt 
presents its audience with the newest developments in the audiovisual 
arts, film, video, new media and music.

Impakt Online
Since 2003 Impakt expanded their terrain with Impakt Online. Impakt 
Online gives artists the opportunity to realise their net.art 
projects. Each year, Impakt Online selects six artists and supports 
them in accomplishing and presenting their net.art projects. Impakt 
deliberately chooses projects which use specific elements of the 
Internet. Next to projects that exclusively exist on the Internet, 
Impakt Online actively looks for projects which connect the Internet 
to the real world and vice versa.

During the past year Impakt Online has worked with three themes which 
were used as a starting point for the artists. Different artists have 
developed projects within these themes, some of these projects 
include Beadgee by Tamar Schori, E-bay Longing and the Inhabitants by 
Marika Dermineur.

Impakt Online 2004: Translation
Impakt Online has chosen the theme: 'Translation' for the projects 
that will be realised this year. In the world of the Internet, 
translation is a daily practice. It can be a computertranslation from 
Russian to English, from one programming language to another, or a 
transformation of data relating to physical and tangible occurences 
to virtual and digital data.

The intention of Impakt Online is to research in which matter 
translation plays a role for artists who produce art on the Internet, 
or make use of its structure.

The way in which artists make use of the Internet to develop its own 
aesthetics and means of translation is important for the realisation 
of the themes. Impakt Online wants to use the term translation to 
investigate the use of the Internet in a critical and fundamental way.

The practical implications of translation can take different forms. A 
possible form can be a translation between real and virtual worlds. 
These are projects in which elements from the real world are being 
translated to a virtual environment or vice versa. Of course a 
translation between virtual environments, (like translation of online 
user input) can also be a possibility. Translation of this tangible, 
often quantitative data between environments can lead to new points 
of view.
Another form can be the translation of more qualitative data, such as 
transferring exisiting cultural, aestethic or social themes, into 
various medial online formats.

Procedure
Since Impakt runs a tight schedule, we urge artists to hand in their 
proposals as soon as possible. Our deadline for submission has been 
set on juli 1st.

Only proposals that are relevant to the theme will be taken into 
account. Projects that have already been publicly presented are 
excluded from participitation.

A proposal has to consist of the following parts:

- an abstract of the concept. (200 to 400 words)
- a summary of the technical and productional plan. (200 words max.)
- a summary of the relation between the project and the theme 
'translation' or one of the subthemes. (200 words max.)
- information about the phase the project is in at the moment, the 
steps which have to be taken to finishing the project, pertaining to 
the current project phase, and the estimated budget that is needed to 
finish it.

Please note that all proposals must be in English. The final project 
should also be in English unless of course the use of other languages 
is part of the concept of the proposed project.

Please send in your proposal by email to: online at impakt.nl

Impakt Online is looking forward to your proposal!


From media at ezaic.de  Fri May  7 14:06:34 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 14:06:34 +0200
Subject: media impakt - support for South Eastern Europe
Message-ID: <a06002008bcc12b7641f0@[82.82.101.110]>

Media-Im-Pakt - Programme information
Media-Im-Pakt was created to promote projects that

1.	have been evaluated positively by the 
Media Task Force in Brussels or the National 
               Working Group in the respective country,
2.	generally improve the working conditions in the media,
3.	take into consideration transnational aspects and cultural diversity,
4.	strengthen civil society and individual 
citizens' sense of responsibility as well as the 
role
               of women,
5.	reflect the demand for local and regional initiatives.

http://www.ifa.de/media-im-pakt/emedia_antrag.htm

Consideration of applications
Applications - in electronic format - should be sent directly to ifa at
media-im-pakt at ifa.de

and, in addition, as a print-out to the postal address:
Institut für Auslandsbeziehungen e.V.
Media-Im-Pakt
P.O. Box 10 24 63
D-70020 Stuttgart
In the interest of a speedy processing of the 
application, only fully completed forms will be 
accepted. For the application to have a chance of 
success, it must also comply with the project 
subsidy guidelines and media project criteria 
stipulated by the stability pact.
Please be informed that the deadline for the 2nd 
application turn in 2004 is March 31st 2004. For 
the 3rd turn applications must be submitted to 
ifa by 15th May 2004. A decision (taken in 
conjunction with the Foreign Office) can then be 
expected by end of April/middle of June 2004. If 
your application has been approved, you will 
receive confirmation of the grant, i.e. a 
contract letter.



From dru_list at druh.co.uk  Fri May  7 18:22:54 2004
From: dru_list at druh.co.uk (DRU_list)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 18:22:54 +0200
Subject: ARTIST IN RESIDENCE OPPORTUNITY / DRU {26}
Message-ID: <a0600200cbcc1683b801a@[82.82.101.110]>

=================================================
DRU {26} / 07.05.04 /
=================================================
http://www.druh.co.uk
=================================================
ARTIST IN RESIDENCE [AiR] 2004
OPEN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS

+ + DEADLINE: FRIDAY 28 MAY 2004 + +

ABOUT THE RESIDENCY

Residency Period
3 months

Dates
July 04 - Sept 04

Location
Huddersfield, England

The AiR programme at The Media Centre aims to
support the exploration and development of new
work in digital/interactive/network media and
technology based arts practice. The residency
provides time and resources to artists in a
supportive environment to facilitate the creation
of new work; we encourage a cross disciplinary and
experimental approach. This is a practice based
residency designed to enable the development and
completion of a new work.

Benefits

ï Time and space to develop ideas
ï Accommodation in large 2 bedroom apartment
ï 24/7 access to technical facilities
ï Technical support
ï Contribution to travel costs to and from
Huddersfield
ï Free internet access
ï Bursary of £700 [GBP] per month
ï Small materials fund
ï Opportunities to present your work
ï Introductions to regional and national
organisations
ï Invitations to cultural events
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May  7 20:36:54 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 20:36:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405071836.i47IasM61555@www.god-emil.dk>



"I never wanted to be famous. I just wanted to have babies," she said.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0506-02.htm



ost.eu - simply.superior






From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May  7 20:51:23 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 20:51:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
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>In a sermon at Friday prayers in a Kufa mosque, al-Sadr rejected Bush's apology for the abuse. 
>And an al-Sadr aide, Sheik Abdul-Sattar al-Bahadli, offered worshippers 
>in Basra up to $350 for the capture of a British soldier - adding that anyone capturing 
>a female soldier can keep her as a slave - apparently in retaliation for the treatment of Iraqi prisoners.


employees are slaves already




>"Torture flourishes in the dark," said the organization's executive director, Kenneth Roth. 
>"If the Bush administration really wants to put a stop to torture in U.S. detention facilities, 
>it has to open them up to outside scrutiny."


if he doesnt ... united hideous snakes of amerika will invade him






>Rumsfeld apologized for the abuse and told a Senate committee on Friday 
>he favors compensating the victims for their suffering.


a bon. Rumsfeld [nice name MOTHER FUCKER] should be compensated for his visage.







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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May  8 19:46:07 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 19:46:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ what the FUCK does it take for americans to impeach this criminal
Message-ID: <200405081746.i48Hk7N65805@www.god-emil.dk>





>"This has been a difficult few weeks," Bush said. 

these, you illiterate jankee MOTHER FUCKER



>"Yet our forces will stay on the offensive, 
>finding and confronting the killers and terrorists who are 
>trying to undermine the progress of democracy in Iraq."


the MOTHER FUCKER better hope einstein was RIGHT when he whispered - the self is an optical illusion 
else he may have to "find and confront" himself - perhaps stick some benadryl in the bucal orifice
like the illiterate criminal MOTHER FUCKERS at Cycling74 INC.









More Bad News May Be on the Way for Bush
Email this Story

May 8, 1:22 PM (ET)
By TERENCE HUNT 
(AP) George W. Bush speaks to supporters at a campaign rally Friday May 7, 2004 Prairie Du Chien, Wi. ...
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WASHINGTON (AP) - In one of the darkest weeks of his administration, President Bush saw America's reputation sullied, the U.S. effort in Iraq damaged and his own campaign for re-election clouded. And more bad news may be on the way.

While the world already has been horrified by pictures of American soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners, the Pentagon warns there are many more photos and videos that have not been disclosed.

They show "acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman," embattled Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress.

>From the White House to Capitol Hill, policy-makers are worried that the United States faces lasting damage abroad - particularly in the Middle East - from the pictures of naked Arab men being tortured and humiliated by American soldiers, the same forces sent to Iraq to liberate the country from Saddam Hussein's torture and repression.

Analysts describe the pictures as great recruiting tools for al-Qaida and other extremist groups and said they undermine America's claims to a moral high ground. Rumsfeld said the impact was "radioactive."

Bush, in his weekly radio address Saturday, said, "They are a stain on our country's honor and reputation." He said the abuses were the work of a few and do not reflect the overall character of the 200,000 members of the U.S. military who have served in Iraq in the past year.

Six months from the November elections, Iraq weighs heavily on the president.

April was the deadliest month yet for American soldiers in Iraq and May is off to a bloody start.

On the diplomatic front, the administration does not know who will take power in Iraq from the United States in a June 30 handover.

Costs are soaring. The administration has sent Congress an unexpected $25 billion request for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Day after day, the extraordinary apologies from the president and his top deputies dominated the news.

Pollsters and presidential experts are scratching their heads over how the prisoner scandal will affect Bush's re-election hopes.

"There's such a big question mark there, it's unlike anything we've seen before," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center.

"The public is very critical of (Bush's) management of Iraq. They don't think he has a clear plan for bringing it to a successful conclusion, but a thin majority of the public has been hanging in with that it was the right decision to go to war," Kohut said. "This could be the event which makes people say 'Oh, we did make a mistake.'"

Political scientist James Thurber of American University likened the Iraq images to the infamous Vietnam pictures of a naked young girl fleeing a napalm attack and a Viet Cong prisoner being executed on a Saigon street.

Referring to the new pictures, Thurber said, "That's what we're going to remember about Iraq. It's just not going to go away. That may have a lasting and negative effect on his campaign. It certainly does right now and I think you'll see it in the polls immediately."

Support for Bush's handling of foreign policy and terrorism, usually his strongest issue, was at 50 percent in an Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Friday. That compares with 55 percent a month ago.

Kurt Campbell, a former Pentagon official during the Clinton administration, said it was too early to tell whether Rumsfeld would be able to keep his job.

"The real issue is there's more stuff that's going to come out that is troubling, beyond humiliation and torture. Deaths I think," said Campbell, director of international security at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"And there's going to be quite a long record of warnings that were either ignore or dismissed. And that I think is going to be problematic," Campbell said.

Lawmakers worried the pictures would harm U.S. credibility for years, perhaps decades. While the United States champions freedom and democracy in Iraq, the pictures show vivid scenes of cruelty and insensitivity.

Splashed across front pages across the Middle East and around the world, the pictures may undermine "the substantial gains toward the goal of peace and freedom in various operation areas of the world, most particularly Iraq," said Sen. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Michigan Sen. Carl Levin, the committee's top Democrat, said the abuses "dishonored our military and our nation and they made the prospects for success in Iraq even more difficult than they already are."

Added Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla.: "This was a political and public relations Pearl Harbor."

Bush pledged in his radio address that the United States would not be thrown into retreat.

"This has been a difficult few weeks," Bush said. "Yet our forces will stay on the offensive, finding and confronting the killers and terrorists who are trying to undermine the progress of democracy in Iraq."

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EDITOR'S NOTE: Terence Hunt has covered every president since Ronald Reagan. 













From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May  8 20:12:59 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 20:12:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405081812.i48ICxu65843@www.god-emil.dk>



nice fairytale - konekt dze dotz

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0508-02.htm







From loy at myrealbox.com  Sat May  8 21:50:33 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (loy at myrealbox.com)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 21:50:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [shakeZkknut] I want the spirit of Syndicate to awaken ! - http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut/
Message-ID: <200405081950.i48JoXjO007653@anart.no>


Psycho Pompus Print: air - glassSlipper
name: candle therapy
mailto:loy at myrealbox.com
http://www.candle-therapy.co.uk/57/otne-candle.html

and I whisper:

( otne candle )
http://www.candle-therapy.co.uk/57/otne-candle.html



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  9 02:01:32 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 02:01:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405090001.i4901Ws66517@www.god-emil.dk>






http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,1211248,00.html












From james at teleportacia.org  Thu May  6 23:05:08 2004
From: james at teleportacia.org (James Allan)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:05:08 +0100
Subject: [syndicate] you must be careful in the forest
In-Reply-To: <65E5E792-9F44-11D8-9CFF-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>
References: <65E5E792-9F44-11D8-9CFF-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>
Message-ID: <409AA884.2080206@teleportacia.org>

 > "I think I know someone who is brave enough to milk a tigress


Milking tigress' is for kids. Try milking a tiger.







From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  9 20:30:14 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:30:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405091830.i49IUEq67714@www.god-emil.dk>


>/55\Torture 
>
>Georg Hajdu 55 at bek.no 

>I'm not the slightest bit surprised about the accounts of torture in 
>Iraq. It was meant to happen, as this was the consequence of a mindset 
>that was rampant since 9/11, or maybe even since Bush's election in 
>2000. There was a landmark article in the LA Times in 2001 in which the 
>use of torture was at least seen as justifiable and which was greeted 
>with much approval. When the American army waltzed into Iraq last year, 
>one of the TV commentators, an American army general, spoke with such 
>colonial contempt about the people there "never having seen camels like 
>that before" (referring to American tanks) that the dehumanization 
>we're witnessing was just the logical outcome. The pendulum is swinging 
>back: While Bush & Co. had the license to do with Guantanamo inmates 
>whatever they choose to do, the world public is starting to watch a bit 
>more closely and is appalled by what they're seeing. Poor America!


mda - Poor occident.


democratia voastra este o iluzie, artificiala, incompetenta si abstracta,
bazata pe exploatarea si destabilizarea psihologica si spirituala.

mentionezi tortura in iraq - intreaga democratie occidentala este un mod subtil de tortura.

up your `1st world` MOTHER FUCKING life style







Georg Hajdu 55 at bek.no 

/55\Torture 


post your democratic sentiments on the simply.criminal Cycling74 lists, o modern citizen
ipocroti++








From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  9 20:32:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:32:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405091832.i49IWI467725@www.god-emil.dk>



James Allan <james at teleportacia.org> - another 1 dimensional degenerate MOTHER FUCKER
                                       demonstrating his 1st world occident childhood


> > "I think I know someone who is brave enough to milk a tigress
>
>
>Milking tigress' is for kids. Try milking a tiger.


milking tigers = simply.amerikan
try understanding the fairy tale 1st world MOTHER FUCKER







From media at ezaic.de  Sun May  9 22:22:34 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 22:22:34 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405091832.i49IWI467725@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405091832.i49IWI467725@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a0600200dbcc43e091c34@[82.82.88.200]>

>
>try understanding the fairy tale

hm .. I tried .. and at the end it tells me that

who listens to the wise gains power and then is free to happily use
without reservations
what he knows is wicked to surrender others



looks to me as if this is exactly what the occident tries to follow

same stories everywhere?


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  9 22:20:30 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 22:20:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405092020.i49KKUM67825@www.god-emil.dk>







>>try understanding the fairy tale
>
>hm .. I tried .. and at the end it tells me that
>
>who listens to the wise gains power and then is free to happily use
>without reservations
>what he knows is wicked to surrender others
>
>
>
>looks to me as if this is exactly what the occident tries to follow
>
>same stories everywhere?


oui mais stories = metaphors which open in myriad of maniere not unlike
human beings ... the 7th mother loved her son more than herself
which enabled the survival of all 

looks to me as if this is exactly what ost.europa tries to follow



-

as for the MOTHER FUCKER James Allan <james at teleportacia.org>
xy humour is strictly forbidden on Syndicate and carries steep financial penalties










From hub at x-arn.org  Sun May  9 23:29:54 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Sun,  9 May 2004 23:29:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
Message-ID: <20040509212954.82E36470B8@baloo.ou-data.net>


KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut

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softwday I wondered what a rubber ducky sounded like:



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From media at ezaic.de  Sun May  9 23:42:07 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 23:42:07 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405092020.i49KKUM67825@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405092020.i49KKUM67825@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a06002016bcc45606bb9d@[82.82.88.200]>

>
>as for the MOTHER FUCKER James Allan <james at teleportacia.org>
>xy humour is strictly forbidden on Syndicate and carries steep 
>financial penalties
>

time to say


Dude!

                      I guess


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May 10 00:20:27 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 00:20:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405092220.i49MKRf67971@www.god-emil.dk>




>>as for the MOTHER FUCKER James Allan <james at teleportacia.org>
>>xy humour is strictly forbidden on Syndicate and carries steep 
>>financial penalties
>>
>
>time to say
>
>
>Dude!
>
>                      I guess


there = 01 motor home parked in the church parking lot.
2 jankees step out. they have faaaaat legs.

time to introduce the .ro xy character bula ...

bula: tata, care este diferenta dintre practik si teoretik.
tata: pai, dute si intreab-o pe maicata daca ar avea sex cu vecinu' pentru $100.
bula: bine.

bula: mama, tu ai avea sex cu vecinu' pentru $100?
mama: pai, de ce nu!

bula: a zis ca da, ar face.
tata: dute si intreab-o pe sora ta daca ar face si ea sex cu vecinu'

bula: ei, tu ai face sex cu vecinu' pentru $50?
sora: da maaaaaa, desigur!!

bula: pai, si ea ea zis ca ar face.
tata: vezi ma bula ... in teorie noi ar trebuii sa avem $150, dar in practica noi avem 2 curve.



... cind se mai insmechereste bula o sa-l intrebe si care este diferenta dintre 
un art theorist si o curva


i cant believe i'm telling you this. time has indeed folded upon itself.

This is the state of wisdom.

Not everyone achieves this state of mind, and it is not communicable in words or by teaching, 
but it is there and has been written about, and when one arrives, one knows that the future 
has joined with the past to make a circle outside time.


who else would designate un banc cu bula wisdom. mda da da + ultra da









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May 10 01:37:30 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 01:37:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405092337.i49NbUw68062@www.god-emil.dk>



Fiecare dintre noi are diverse pasiuni sau hobiuri mai mult sau mai putin comune, dar cu siguranta un om care locuieste intr-un cuib de randunica este ceva de necrezut! Si totusi se intampla la Bruxelles, pe exteriorul unei cladiri, la etajul 7, un barbat sta intr-un cuib urias, pe care l-a construit chiar el si pe care l-a numit Marele Cuib de randunica.
Este vorba despre un proiect artistic in care autorul ii implica si pe spectatori. Trecatorii sunt surprinsi atunci cand observa cuibul, dar mirarea lor creste atunci cand vad in interior... un om. Artistul se apleaca in afara si le vorbeste oamenilor, iar la sfarsit promite sa se arunce din cuib, in efortul de a stabili un contact cu cei care il privesc de jos. Unii s-au speriat deja si au chemat pompierii, dar spectacolul se bucura de un mare succes. In a doua zi de locuit in cuib, Benjamin a aruncat un ou, tot urias, si a cerut ajutorul oamenilor de pe strada ca sa il urce inapoi. Spectacolul face parte din Festivalul Artelor de la Bruxelles, care se va incheia la 22 mai. Benjamin Verdonck nu este la primul spectacol excentric. In 2002, el a locuit o saptamana cu un porc in cusca intr-un spectacol numit Iubesc America si America Ma Iubeste. Atunci a vrut sa simbolizeze lipsa lui de intelegere pentru razboiul care urma sa inceapa in Irak.




apropos xy humour







From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 10 08:09:15 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:09:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: sore moves only through jesus
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405100209040.17368@panix3.panix.com>


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From media at ezaic.de  Mon May 10 12:14:12 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:14:12 +0200
Subject: admin / problems with sending messages
Message-ID: <a06002018bcc504bc8713@[82.82.88.200]>


Hello,

apparently at the moment there exists a problem with the server
and some people might perceive problems
with sending mails directly to the list.  Instead of being delivered 
they get caught for approval.

The problem is probably the same as a recently noticed mess with the 
subscriber database. Frank is looking into the problem.


so, it will hopefully soon be fixed.

kind regards,
Claudia


From media at ezaic.de  Mon May 10 14:10:33 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:10:33 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] admin / more problems
In-Reply-To: <a06002018bcc504bc8713@[82.82.88.200]>
References: <a06002018bcc504bc8713@[82.82.88.200]>
Message-ID: <a0600201fbcc5211f2e5a@[82.82.88.200]>


Hello,

it also seems that several people do not receive mails anymore 
through Syndicate although I get their e-mail address listed in the 
subscriber database.

anart.no is working on this.

kind regards,
Claudia


From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Mon May 10 13:53:12 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com)
Date: Mon May 10 13:53:12 2004
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From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Mon May 10 20:11:24 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:11:24 +0100
Subject: Men & Bombs - revisited...
In-Reply-To: <409A3D32.7030808@crimsonfeet.org>
References: <409A3D32.7030808@crimsonfeet.org>
Message-ID: <409FC5CC.8070503@furtherfield.org>

As the pretend War against terrorism creates even more terrorism. As 
War-fetish is displayed in the media for all the world to see. The link 
between sex and violence becomes a more obvious, everyday humanistic 
trait, unfurling into a less deniable factor. The activity of sadism via 
alpha male and now alpha female expressions are part of the message, the 
behavior, the function and the language of War. The Marque Desade like 
endevours, we are currently witnessing and discovering does exist within 
us all. Violence supersedes gender - all are accepted into process of 
exploitation . If given the ultimate power to hurt, torture - would you 
be better? More altruistic, or would you take advantage of the 
possibility of enacting your darker desires, exploring your feral shadows?

Mean & Bombs - was originally released last year & reflects humanities 
seemingly perpetual desire to impose violent fantasies on others. Even 
though this was originally a creatively, directed survey. a visual 
format - sound and dhtml, on the subject of male fascination with War 
weaponry and connected factors. It still throws light on the current 
issues regarding the fetish around War and people's darker desire to 
enjoy such activities, given permission, given the go head that killing, 
hurting is alright when not seen and not in our back yard, unofficially 
of course.

 >I think this piece may be one of the best pieces of war art I've seen, 
but
my test for war art is simply, does it make me want to vomit when I think
about war? I always go back to Paul Goodman, in "designing pacifist films"
-Eryk Salvaggio.

http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/men_&_bombs/
Only viewable through Internet Explorer...

marc garrett

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From a at e8z.org  Mon May 10 23:42:20 2004
From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:42:20 +0200
Subject: au
Message-ID: <EA1B991B-A2CA-11D8-A32F-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>

http://www.state51.co.uk/pollen/sounds/kissme.au



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Tue May 11 02:37:26 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 02:37:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405110037.i4B0bQH70423@www.god-emil.dk>


>Subject: Academic Wank

>http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu//courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/ 
>2002to2003/lil2/index.html


more like occident wank - torture - simply.ubiquitous in occident lifestyles

as mentioned prev - want.some natural noisz MOTHER FUCKERZ
http://www.immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/the.natural.superiority.of.you.want.some.mov










From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 12:25:08 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:25:08 +0200
Subject: admin / please be patient
Message-ID: <a06002005bcc659523f06@[213.23.155.172]>


Hello,

there are some serious problems which are about to be fixed.

If you see this mail in the archives and wonder why you are not 
subscribed anymore
please be patient .. there is a problem with the subscriber database ..

around 238 persons previously subscribed
and not subscribed at the moment
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kind regards,
Claudia


From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 10 23:14:58 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: para
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405101714510.6508@panix3.panix.com>




para


http://www.asondheim.org/paracite.png
 one or another comes first
 unless they are lined up equally
 the parasite splits in two, no longer noise in the system
 no longer channel noise
 no longer channel
http://www.asondheim.org/parasight.png
 the parasite buffets among them
 the parasite creates a new language of 'buffeting'
 no one reads the secret language
http://www.asondheim.org/flub.png
 the language is thick and everyone pretends
 it means something


_


From loy at myrealbox.com  Tue May 11 09:19:19 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (__lo-y. )
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:19:19 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <8B21FCD2-9EB8-11D8-9432-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>
References: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
 <40991B5D.1030905@bobig.com>
 <8B21FCD2-9EB8-11D8-9432-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040511091609.01d6e998@pop3.myrealbox.com>

At 07:20 PM 5/5/2004, Auriea wrote:

>dear claudia,
>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lag&f=1


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=god&f=1&skip=310  (scroll down)



>feel free to make up your own!



lo_y 



From info at kw-berlin.de  Tue May 11 13:21:53 2004
From: info at kw-berlin.de (info at kw-berlin.de)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:21:53 +0200
Subject: Privatizations - Contemporary Art from Eastern Europe /exhibition
 opening, May 15, KW Berlin
Message-ID: <a0600200bbcc666be647c@[213.23.155.172]>


http://www.kw-berlin.de/de/vorsch/vorsch_privzk_d.htm

--

Please scroll down for english version

EINLADUNG

Zur Ausstellungseröffnung am Samstag, den 15. Mai 
2004 von 19 - 22 Uhr laden wir Sie und Ihre 
Freunde sehr herzlich ein:

Privatisierungen: Zeitgenössische Kunst aus Osteuropa
Kurator: Boris Groys

Ausstellungsdauer: 16. Mai - 26. Juni 2004

KW Institute for Contemporary Art
Auguststrasse 69
10117 Berlin

Öffnungszeiten: Di - So12 -18 Uhr
T. ++ 49. 30 24 34 59 - 0
<mailto:info at kw-berlin.de>info at kw-berlin.de
<http://www.kw-berlin.de>www.kw-berlin.de
<http://www.postcommunist.de>www.postcommunist.de

Im Rahmen des Forschungsprojektes " The 
Post-Communist Condition" . Ein Initiativprojekt 
der Kulturstiftung des Bundes in Kooperation mit 
dem ZKM Karlsruhe.
In Zusammenarbeit mit KW Institute for Contemporary Art.

INVITATION

We would like to invite you and your friends to the opening on

Saturday, May 15th from 7 to 10 p.m.

Privatisierungen: Zeitgenössische Kunst aus Osteuropa
Curator: Boris Groys

exhibition: May 16h - June 26th , 2004.

KW Institute for Contemporary Art
Auguststr. 69
10117 Berlin

Opening hours: Tue -  Sun 12 a.m. - 6 p.m.
t. ++ 49. 30 24 34 59 - 0
<mailto:info at kw-berlin.de>info at kw-berlin.de
<http://www.kw-berlin.de>www.kw-berlin.de
<http://www.postcommunist.de>www.postcommunist.de

In the context of the reserach project "The 
Post-Communist Condition" . A project 
commissioned by the Kulturstiftung des Bundes ( 
Federal Culture Foundation) in cooperation with 
the ZKM Karlsruhe.
In collaboration with KW Institute for Contemporary Art.





From portholeaccel at yahoo.com  Tue May 11 05:45:56 2004
From: portholeaccel at yahoo.com (portholeaccel)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:45:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <20040511034556.75648.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm don't pear on the books

rachul plesz tell me if Im art maker not
pleaz

-e.
(15)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eryk Salvaggio" <eryk at maine.rr.com>
To: <thingist at bbs.thing.net>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [thingist] Internet Art by Rachel 
Greene


>
> Looks like I can save my money: I'm don't 
appear to be in the book. Nor,
it
> seems, are:
>
> hell.com
> entropy8zuper
> antiorp.netochka
> Frederic Madre
> brad brace
> redsmoke
>
> ...and I'd say many others, but maybe the 
internet is different in New
York
>
> (MTAA is included, I should mention.)
>
> -e.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "murphy" <murphy at thing.net>
> To: <thingist at bbs.thing.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [thingist] Internet Art by Rachel 
Greene
>
>
> >
> > On May 10, 2004, at 4:31 PM, murphy wrote:
> >
> > > No, I honestly think Rachel is stupid, 
always have. She's Bush in
drag.
> >
> > Let me elaborate. Rachel is stupid in this 
sense:
> >
> > http://slate.msn.com/id/2100064/
> >
> > For the record I think Yael, Josephine, 
Magda, all the various
> > Jennifers and lots of other women are 
brilliant so I'm not being sexist
> > (as Rachel will probably claim). And for the 
record I am in awe of
> > Wolfgang but more so Gisela who is totally 
unsung. Oh, I have unlimited
> > fondness for antiorp and of course jodi.org.
> >
> > Rachel, Mark and Alex undermined so many 
important projects and they
> > have come out on top. It's just, well, I 
don't know how to express it.
> >
> > And need it be said, why wasn't brad brace 
included in her screed?
> >
> > If Heath Bunting has an ounce of integrity he

would cancel his show at
> > the New Museum. But, then again, he's Heath 
Bunting, isn't he? Another
> > Bushist in training.
> >
> > murph
> > offshore|online
> >
> > 
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> > t h i n g i s t
> > message by murphy <murphy at thing.net>
> > archive at http://bbs.thing.net
> > info: send email to majordomo at bbs.thing.net
> > and write "info thingist" in the message body
> > 
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 11 05:44:34 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:44:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Books I like and highly recommend!
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405102344230.23584@panix1.panix.com>




Books I like and highly recommend!


The following are books I've read or am currently reading, mostly the
former. They're wonderful and I think are definitely worth your attention.


Two books that bear comparison, both from Salt

Catherine Daly, DaDaDa and
Loss Pequeno Glazier, Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm

These are first of all both beautiful books. And they work through
technology and technologies in odd ways, ways that configure the
integration of the technological into body and poetic discourse, as if
spectral communications were phantom limbs or tendrils extending from
desktops and PDAs , within and without. Glazier works out of an
incredible, intense, Mexican and Cuban (for the most part) matrix, which
becomes himself as well. His is an 'important' book within emerging
discourses of real and virtual continents. And Daly's work as well, with
its internal technologies, technologies as breathing, or as electric
Marguerite, mythos, scaled histories. I really recommend these books
highly; I found them inspiring and turning language towards infinities
both electronic and intensely real.

>From Raw Nerve Books

Sue Thomas, Hello World, travels in virtuality

This is an odd work, a mix of real and imaginary journeys, discoursing on
psychogeography, Bachelard, and a broad-based view of the Net along the
way. As a mix it's intense and entrancing, and it's demonstrates the ease
with which computers, electronic communications, and lives all intertwine
beyond the home. This isn't the typical mobile technology journey, but a
journey of integration, and it's as such that I highly recommend it. My
only concern - and I have no answer for this - how much, today, should one
describe the Net and its communications systems? As Katherine Hayles
points out on the back cover, the book is 'Highly recommended for first-
time users and those who want to try dipping their toes into the
cyberwaters.' But for those of us who are familiar with the technologies,
the value is elsewhere - following this journey, and Thomas's lived and
interpenetrated spaces, across the world. There is an associated website
by the way, http://www.travelsinvirtuality.com . (This is by the way a
work I wish I could have written, but my own journeys have seemed too
monstrous and tangled, too compressed. There's a sense of space in
Thomas's book that's both open and comforting.)

>From Atelos

Brian Kim Stefans, Fashionable Noise: On Digital Poetics, which _is_ more
or less digital poetics itself. I love dipping into this work. There's a
huge gap between it and Richards' Practical Criticism, but I like them
both for their caress of writing, and _fascination_ with their target
texts, reproduced among themselves, authorships in question. The Scotch is
there in Stefans' work, for example, both real and imaginary. There are
numerous sidebars and footnotes as well; the text skitters. This is simply
a wonderful book.

>From Minnesota comes

Anne Weinstone, Avatar Bodies, A Tantra for Posthumanism. I have diffi-
culty at this point with theoretical posthumanist texts that discourse on
desire; on the other hand, I'm fascinated by the relationships Weinstone
draws or breathes with Tantra; it's this which holds me. I don't feel
capable of commenting on the text itself at this point, except to note the
pleasure it gives, as well as assumptions about multiple selves,
virtualities, and our selves avatars. It reminds me of Lingis' work - and
in general where is Lingis in cyber discourse? But then I'm ignorant. -
I do want to stree that I am reading and rereading sections of this work,
scurrying across it, another skittering, and I find the text amazing in
this regard.

>From O'Reilly

One more technology book, which I immediately applied and have been using
furiously - Preston Gralla, Windows XP Hacks, part of the Hacking series.
This book is simply great - I've applied at least 20-30 of the hacks to my
own (video/audio/blender/text) laptop system. I've used other WinXP books
to good effect, but this one in particular has been extremely useful. I
couldn't have done http://www.asondheim.org/node.mp3 without it.

Some older books if you find them -

Kossovo, Heroic Songs of the Serbs, translated by Helen Rootham (with the
original texts), Houghton Mifflin Company, 1920. This volume focuses on
the battle of Kossovo 1389, and the starkness and repetitiveness of the
songs have parallels of course with Yugoslavian epics, Homer, etc. These
are intense pieces, some of them fragments, and they've already entered my
dreams. The only problem with the book is its shortness.

Serge Gavronsky, Toward a new Poetics, Contemporary Writing in France,
consists of interviews of texts; it's from 1994, and I should have known
the work! Authors include Deguy, Gugliemi, Hocquard, even Pleynet. (The
last's book on painting is incredible by the way.) Get it if you can.
Enough said.

In Bhargava's Dictionary, Anglo-Hindi, the definitions are in both English
and Hindi, and this is one of the most wonderful sources of words I've
come across; the definitions are often beautiful. My edition is the 12th
from 1966, and I've been using it regularly. Extersion, act of wiping or
rubbing. Tortive, twisted. Airmanship, the art of handling an airship.
Gothamite, a great fool.

Legge's I Ching - I like this for the endless notes and clarity of the
appendices; it's not as poetic as the Wilhelm, but I'm not using the work
for divination or poetry. Dover edition. There's a small paperback
(Mentor, 1971) edition of the book rearranged with the hexagram names and
other minor changes, edited by Raymond van Over; I recommend this as well,
especially for clarity.

Burton Watson, Records of the Historian, Chapters from the Shih Chi of
Ssu-ma Ch'ien, California, and Sima Qian, Historical Records, translated
by Dawson, Oxford World's Classic. I can't get enough of this work; the
Dawson edition shows why. There are parallels between the Qin and Bush
dynasties that are unnerving; hopefully both will last an equally short
amount of time.

Finally I'm reading the full version of The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon,
translated and edited by Ivan Morris in two volumes (one text, one notes),
published in 1967. It's quite different, in fact, due in part to the
sections of lists, and I much prefer it. I haven't seen this reissued, but
if you have a chance at all, find and read it (i.e. in preference to the
Penguin edition).

_


From mpalmer at jps.net  Tue May 11 07:13:39 2004
From: mpalmer at jps.net (mpalmer at jps.net)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:13:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: DIALOG
Message-ID: sympa.1084252360.11982.164@anart.no

DIALOG
2004

What is dialog?
Where can we find it?
What are the conditions we need for dialog to appear?
Why is it so hard to sustain a dialog with others?
Why does dialog break down so easily?
What is dialog's delicate balance that keeps it from collapsing?
What are the "tipping points" in our dialog that cause it to break down?
Under what conditions is our dialog foreclosed?
Is this a dialog?
Why, or why not?
Am I the only person to think these things?
Why is nobody listening?


mwp


From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 14:40:01 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (media at ezaic.de)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:40:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: subscribers / admin
Message-ID: sympa.1084278589.16343.483@anart.no


Hello,

I just got a message from Frank that
the database of subscribers is fixed now, 

but 

it is possible that people, who unsubscribed lately are now on again.

In case you should get this message, but unsubscribed lately
please send a message to me, so I will unsubscribe you again.

Sorry, for this inconvenience.

Anart.no is doing some research into the subject of the subscriber database mess,
that apparently first occurred on May 05, so will try to prevent it to happen again.

Some subscribers did not get Syndicate messages since May 05.
Postings to Syndicate in between then and now can be found in the archives
http://anart.no/sympa/arc/syndicate

kind regards,
Claudia


From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 14:43:15 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:43:15 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: loss of subscribers
Message-ID: <a0600200dbcc67a6e01c0@[213.23.155.172]>


>From: Frank Teksum <txum at anart.no>
>
>now,
>
>i had a old backup of your list :p
>
>as i added from here
>( i missed some and are afraid that others will be rather
>irritated to be in a list they have opped out off )
>i noticed that most email was from the latter end of the list.
>actually , almost _all_ that went out was on the end of the list.
>the subscribers file was ..cut, actually.
>the suspects are
>A : interrupted process from an list-owner
>B : or our server getting far to much to do from some
>people that has an autoput of a webcam. we are calling them now.
>and looking into other restrictions we can put on them.
>which might well answer the why on other problems , the reasons
>why we started this batch of emails...
>

[...]

>regards
>fra/nk
>
>
>
>frank teksum *  aka txum *  www.anart.no/~txum/ 
>          * * * oslo , norway * * *



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From epistolaris at freemail.hu  Tue May 11 14:56:45 2004
From: epistolaris at freemail.hu (anna balint)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:56:45 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: sympa.1084278589.16343.483@anart.no
Message-ID: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou>

Oops, i found Jurij Krpan on the subbers list,
poor guy, i unsubbed him:))
greetings,
Anna

i5/11/2004 2:40:01 PM, media at ezaic.de wrote:

>
>Hello,
>





From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Tue May 11 15:07:24 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:07:24 +0100
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou>
References: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou>
Message-ID: <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>

Hi there,

Not sure if this is linked to your current sorting out of 
members/unsubscribing & subscribing -

I from info at furtherfield to marc.garrett at furthefield.org - but it has 
not succesfully worked so far...

So now I receive mail from the list  address to 
marc.garrett at furthefield.org - which is perfect
- but every time I send to syndicate using that same address I always 
get a message mentioning that the moderator is awaiting approval.

everytime i change it - the same thing occurs...

although I have enjoyed the oneway relationship between moderator and 
myself, i believe that it is time to change the set-up.

marc :-)




>Oops, i found Jurij Krpan on the subbers list,
>poor guy, i unsubbed him:))
>greetings,
>Anna
>
>i5/11/2004 2:40:01 PM, media at ezaic.de wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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>information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
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From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 15:30:43 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:30:43 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>
References: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou>
 <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>
Message-ID: <a06002017bcc685c9ab0b@[213.23.155.172]>

Should work now.

marc.garrett at furtherfield.org

>Hi there,
>
>Not sure if this is linked to your current sorting out of 
>members/unsubscribing & subscribing -
>
>I from info at furtherfield to 
><mailto:marc.garrett at furthefield.org>marc.garrett at furthefield.org - 
>but it has not succesfully worked so far...
>
>So now I receive mail from the list address to 
><mailto:marc.garrett at furthefield.org>marc.garrett at furthefield.org - 
>which is perfect
>- but every time I send to syndicate using that same address I 
>always get a message mentioning that the moderator is awaiting 
>approval.
>
>everytime i change it - the same thing occurs...
>
>although I have enjoyed the oneway relationship between moderator 
>and myself, i believe that it is time to change the set-up.
>
>marc :-)
>
>
>
>>Oops, i found Jurij Krpan on the subbers list,
>>poor guy, i unsubbed him:))
>>greetings,
>>Anna
>>
>>i5/11/2004 2:40:01 PM, <mailto:media at ezaic.de>media at ezaic.de wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>>Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>>information and archive: 
>><http://anart.no/~syndicate>http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>to post to the Syndicate list: 
>><mailto:syndicate at anart.no><syndicate at anart.no>
>>Shake the KKnut: 
>><http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut>http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>
>
>
>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>no commercial use of the texts without permission



From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 15:31:28 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:31:28 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>
References: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou> <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>
Message-ID: <1084282288.40a0d5b00ec91@imp3-q.free.fr>

Selon marc <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:
> although I have enjoyed the oneway relationship between moderator and 
> myself, i believe that it is time to change the set-up.

have you tried using Jurij Krpan as a go-between ?

f.


From aart at eunet.yu  Tue May 11 15:40:51 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:40:51 +0200
Subject: test
Message-ID: <004601c4375d$941e0ca0$e906f0d5@aart>

just to see if it functions




From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Tue May 11 15:46:53 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:46:53 +0100
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: <1084282288.40a0d5b00ec91@imp3-q.free.fr>
References: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou> <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org> <1084282288.40a0d5b00ec91@imp3-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <40A0D94D.2090006@furtherfield.org>

No I have not - sounds worth a nibble...

marc

>Selon marc <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:
>  
>
>>although I have enjoyed the oneway relationship between moderator and 
>>myself, i believe that it is time to change the set-up.
>>    
>>
>
>have you tried using Jurij Krpan as a go-between ?
>
>f.
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>no commercial use of the texts without permission
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 11 18:03:20 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: hello my posts came through
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405111202530.24527@panix2.panix.com>


hello my posts came through? they were held up by the moderators?

alan

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com


From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 18:14:36 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:14:36 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] hello my posts came through
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405111202530.24527@panix2.panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405111202530.24527@panix2.panix.com>
Message-ID: <1084292076.40a0fbec6b863@imp3-q.free.fr>

> hello my posts came through? they were held up by the moderators?

marc garret has them
I hear

f.


From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May 11 18:37:15 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:37:15 +0200
Subject: ~~ ?
Message-ID: <00d701c43776$37e32c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

je ne comprends rien, je croyais que j'étais modérée ou exclue de cette
liste




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From ivo at reporters.net  Tue May 11 18:30:23 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:30:23 -0400
Subject: Banned by Mickey Mouse
Message-ID: <40A0C75F.24323.38F3DC7@localhost>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/national/05DISN.html

In WW II Mickey Mouse used to symbolize the American liberty and 
pursuit of happines - as opposed to the grim, totalitarian regimes of 
Hitler and Stalin that ruled their populace by fear and pain. Today 
it symbolizes everything that went wrong in the US after September 
11.

As if one painful event gave that nation the right to inflict pain on 
everybody else with impunity.

This also shows how the censorship really works in the USA. Michael 
Moore's new documentary "Fahrenheit 911" - allegedly harshly critical 
of W Bush regime - is not banned by the State, but by the corporate 
owner (Disney) of its distributor (Miramax). 

This makes the US different from the totalitarian regimes of the past 
- but not in substance: it just uncovers that there is a high degree 
of confluence between top corporate officers and high government 
officials, a sort of the revolving doors between public and private 
sector at the very top. 

And that cozy little circle of rich and powerful (oligarchs, they 
would be called, if this was Russia), is now tightening their rows, 
locking the gates of their gated community, and putting the story 
about their deceit deep in the vault.

Very carefully we should wait for the next Disney's release and then 
simply boycott it at the box office. When a multi-million dollar 
project releases with no revenue, Disney's executives may start 
thinking differently about where their loyalties should be: to the 
ever more rotten government or to the public that buys movie tickets.

ivo


From ivo at reporters.net  Tue May 11 18:30:22 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:30:22 -0400
Subject: They Just Complied With Lawful Orders...
Message-ID: <40A0C75E.23224.38F3B3C@localhost>

1) With the charge that Hussein's Iraq produced WMD-s proving bogus, 
the "coalition of the willing" based its right to occupy Iraq on the 
fact that Saddam's was one of the most deplorable regimes in the 
history of the humankind. Recently, when Bush visited Canada, he said 
that there are no more torture chambers in Iraq. He was wrong. The 
only difference is that torture chambers are not run any more by the 
Baathists. Now, they are run by the US Department of Defense.
2) Under international law, all detainees, military or civilian, must 
be treated humanely. In no circumstances may they be subjected to 
torture or any other "cruel or degrading" treatment. Pleading 
"exceptional circumstances" or "higher orders" - as the lawyers for 
the US soldiers, currently court-martialed for their misconduct, 
apparently dare to claim - is no excuse, as we all remember well from 
the Nuerenberg trials.
3) Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity, regardless if 
they are conducted by Serbs, Croats or Americans, and torture is a 
crime against humanity. It would be a double standard to treat 
Americans differently. They already insisted to be excepted from the 
reach of ICC, like they are some sort of holy cows, and they 
blackmailed many poor countries with economic aid into signing the 
agreement that those would not extradite international law breaking 
American boys (and girls, as we see now) to the ICC. That outraged 
other "civilized" countries. Now, that places even bigger burden of 
proof on the American legal system to deal with the scandal properly.
4) The Geneva convention applies to the US soldiers, as well. It also 
applies to those who never had read it. It was the job of those who 
recruited, trained, and commanded the soldiers involved in the abuses 
to make sure that all soldiers are well versed in the letter and 
substance of Geneva convention. Failure to do so reflects negatively 
on the entire US military recruiting and training procedure, as well 
as its top brass. It was their COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY to make 
absolutely sure that abuses like those NEVER happen at hand of the US 
military personnel. They failed to do their duty. If they are 
citizens of any other country, the US administration, would scream 
for their blood, threatening that country with sanctions, unless the 
generals are arrested and tried. But since they are Americans, they 
are not even going to lose their jobs, disgracing the very foundation 
of everything that America stands for. Geneva convention is not the 
"law in the service of terrorism," but precisely the opposite.
5) Claiming ignorance of the law, of the facts, and/or of the 
previous behavioral research analyses does not exculpate the US 
military leaders. With the budget 16 times greater than the entire 
Iraq's pre-war GDP, there simply should not be any free lunch for 
those who fucked up, including Rumsfeld. It is known from Stamford 
Prison Experiment conducted in 1971, that even completely sane 
individuals may turn into sadistic monsters within a week, when 
exposed to the encouraging environment - and Abu Ghraib obviously 
was. Pictures and videos demonstrate crimes against humanity 
committed by the US and British military men and women. Those crimes 
are clear breaches of the international law on the books. Pentagon is 
at fault for not doing anything to prevent this from happening in the 
first place, and for not acting earlier (there were warnings both 
from Amnesty International and ICRC) to stop it.
6) On the top of that, all of those improbably grinning soldiers in 
the pictures, should be sent in for a psychiatric evaluations. Orders 
or no orders, they, who grew up in the democratic society, should 
have known better then to engage in the crimes against humanity, AND 
take pictures of themselves doing that. So, not only are they 
psychopats, but they are also complete retards, putting themselves 
and the dignity of the country they serve in jeopardy. How the hell 
did they get into military in the first place? How did they score on 
psychology tests?
7) Bush supports Rumsfeld. And public, to my disbelief, as the polls 
show, still supports Bush, making us all the "willing executioners" - 
maybe it is time for Goldhagen to write a sequel to his book.

Links:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/international/middleeast/10ABUS.html
?th
BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 9 — A 24-year-old military policeman from 
Pennsylvania will be court-martialed here on May 19, the first 
American soldier to face trial in the abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu 
Ghraib prison, military officials said Sunday. In an extraordinary 
gesture to address outrage over the abuse scandal, the military is 
permitting broad public access to the trial and will invite the Arab 
news media.

http://domovina.xs4all.nl/
In 1999 Goran Jelisic was sentenced to 40 years imprisonment by ICTY 
Trial Chamber I; the Appeals Chamber affirmed this sentence in July 
2001. The Trial Chamber also reccommended Jelisic receive 
psychological and psychiatric follow-up treatment.  He is serving his 
sentence in Italy.
The ICTY has released tapes of the interviews its investigators had 
prior to his trial with Goran Jelisic.  One hour of these recordings 
from the Scheveningen Detention Unit is now available on the Internet 
in mp3 audio format. Audio is in English with integral translations 
to/from Bosnian. I found these interviews even more depressing than 
the Jelisic court sessions I saw; they depict a cold-blooded 
executioner showing compassion nor remorse.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1209846,00.html
BBC commentators and British politicians have been reminding us that 
the soldiers' activities "do not compare with Saddam Hussein's 
systematic tortures and executions". Hussein is now the moral compass 
of the west.

http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000842.php#000842
Douglas Feith, President Bush's Undersecretary of Defense for Policy 
— and number three man at the Pentagon — reporetdly summed up 
Protocol One of the Geneva Conventions of 1977 as "law in the service 
of terrorism".

http://www.prisonexp.org/
In 2003 U.S. soldiers abused Iraqi prisoners held at Abu Ghraib, 20 
miles west of Baghdad. The prisoners were stripped, made to wear bags 
over their heads, and sexually humiliated while the guards laughed 
and took photographs. How is this abuse similar to or different from 
what took place in the Stanford Prison Experiment?

http://www.tentaka.com/
Usually pictures like the ones we saw from Abu Ghraib could be find 
on websites like this one - The American Male Slave Market; does the 
DoD recruit its military intelligence interrogators from the pool of 
customers of sites like that?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/11/politics/11PREX.html?th
A new poll showed that most people thought that Mr. Rumsfeld should 
not lose his job over the issue. Asked whether he should resign, two-
thirds of 1,030 people questioned from Thursday through Sunday by the 
University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey said 
Mr. Rumsfeld should not resign.
By a percentage of 47 to 31, people responding to the poll said they 
believed that the soldiers implicated in the abuse had acted on their 
own and not under orders. But 52 percent said the Pentagon had tried 
to cover up the matter, while 32 percent said the Pentagon had acted 
properly. The poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 
percentage points.

##

ivo



From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 20:37:47 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:37:47 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ~~ ?
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Vous le faites expres de dire des betises pareilles à tout bout de champ ?!

f.

At 18:37 11/05/2004, you wrote:
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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 21:32:13 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:32:13 +0200
Subject: Fwd: unsubscribing
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Jurij,

Can you look into this now ?

Best,
FM

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From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 21:34:27 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:34:27 +0200
Subject: well ..
Message-ID: <a0600201cbcc6da908994@[213.23.155.172]>


and who had the funny idea to unsubscribe me ?

grrrrr ...

(this is a test
if I receive mails through a changed owner setting now)

-c


From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 21:38:00 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:38:00 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] well ..
In-Reply-To: <a0600201cbcc6da908994@[213.23.155.172]>
References: <a0600201cbcc6da908994@[213.23.155.172]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511213628.01f89da0@pop.free.fr>

At 21:34 11/05/2004, you wrote:

>and who had the funny idea to unsubscribe me ?

I gave Aliette admin rights


>grrrrr ...

she's a woman
like you
a woman

>(this is a test
>if I receive mails through a changed owner setting now)

it's not very feminine to do tests, claudia
WE EXPECT RESULTS
from women
NOT TESTS

Best,
FM



From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 21:41:06 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (media at ezaic.de)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:41:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] well ..
In-Reply-To: 6.1.0.6.0.20040511213628.01f89da0@pop.free.fr
Message-ID: sympa.1084304427.1962.78@anart.no


I can tell you 

the result is

I resubscribed myself


Claudia


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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 21:59:58 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:59:58 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ~~ ?
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511215954.01f85008@pop.free.fr>

Vous le faites expres de dire des betises pareilles à tout bout de champ ?!

f.

At 18:37 11/05/2004, you wrote:
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 11 22:48:50 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:48:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: all humans must die
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405111648420.19773@panix3.panix.com>


   all humans must die

   k101% perl "humans must die"
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   /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.1
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   looply.pl line 18.
   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at looply.pl line 18.

   "humans must die"

   Must Die? been found in animal hosts
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   serious infections and nine deaths in humans in 20 ...
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   must begin rescue What happens to humans
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   "all humans"

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From aart at eunet.yu  Tue May 11 23:11:12 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:11:12 +0200
Subject: Baghdad: Hotel American Freedom - Rumsfeld was there!
Message-ID: <004a01c4379c$806d7760$4406f0d5@aart>

Visit Hotel American Freedom, Baghdad.
It seams Rumsfeld was there!

http://www.webheaven.co.yu/usa/iraq/freedomhotel.htm





From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Wed May 12 04:09:54 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 04:09:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] ~~ ?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511215954.01f85008@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511215954.01f85008@pop.free.fr>
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no, we con't care,

sorry, we work, &

you suck ; not you

of coursseeee

you



kisses
astrëe



> Vous le faites expres de dire des betises pareilles à tout bout de champ
> ?!
>
> f.
>
> At 18:37 11/05/2004, you wrote:
>>je ne comprends rien, je croyais que j'étais modérée ou exclue de cette
>>liste
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>>
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From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 12 08:28:13 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:28:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Reviews of some older books, mostly rare 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405120228050.9586@panix3.panix.com>




Reviews of some older books, mostly rare


These are books that I have employed in my work, and think about and
through; I've found them at various times in my life. In no particular
order:

The Ocean World: Being a Description of The Sea and some of its
Inhabitants. from the French of Louis Figuier, New Edition revised by
E. Percevel Wright, Cassell, Petter, Galpin, +/- 1872. There are hundreds
of illustrations, almost all of invertebrates. Both illustrations and text
are poeticized, organic, swimming across the page. I consult this often.

The Lewis Carroll Picture Book, Stuart Dodgson Collingwood, T. Fisher
Unwin, 1899. Collected materials by his nephew, with Carroll's
illustrations and odd poems and collegiate texts among other things. An
addendum to the constant Alice-theorizing available a century later.

The Legends of the Rhine, H. A. Guerber, A. S. Barnes, 1895. Well, this is
simply fascinating in relation to Wagner, etc.

Baedeker's Berlin and its Environs, 1923. I consult this often in my other
readings; this is an intense image of Berlin Weimar culture.

The Athenian Oracle, edited by John Underhill, Walter Scott, 1897.
Selections from the late 17th-century magazine, with all its strangeness.

The Genuine Epistles of the Apostolical Fathers, also titled Wake's
Genuine Epistles, London, Richard Sare, 1710. This is a very early
edition; the print and language are fascinating, not to mention the texts,
many of which are now on my PDA.

The Blind Girl and Other Poems, Frances Jane Crosby, Wiley & Putnam, 1844
I've written about this elsewhere; Crosby went on to write hymns. She was
blind herself. Her poem on Niagara is wonderful.

Poems and Ballads, A New Edition, Swinburne, 1878. Precisely because
Swinburne disturbs me.

Swinburne, Selected Poems, illustrations by Harry Clarke, The Bodley Head,
1924. Clarke's illustrations, simultaneously severe and milky, mirror the
text.

Oeuvres de F. Rabelais, par L. Jacob, Charpentier, 1841. In the original
French with new and previously unpublished materials.

Poems by Felicia Hemans, edited by Rufus W. Griswold, Sorin and Ball, 1845
All I can see is these are soft, well-done, and continue to hold my
interest.

American Universal Geography, Jedidiah Morse, Isiah Thomas and Ebenezer
Andrews, June, 1796. A very early geography, largely of the United States.
The maps are torn/or missing, but the text, for me, is critical in
understanding the development of the frontier.

Drei und Dreissig Predigen von dem furnemstem Spaltungen in der
Christlichen Religion, Jacobum Andree, Tubingen, 1576. An early Lutheran
theologian concerned with uniting the Church. The Fraktur type is
beautiful and the binding is original. More a wonder of early books; I
don't have the wherewithal to read it.

A Manual of Medical Jurisprudence, Alfred Swaine Taylor, Henry Lea, 1866.
I read often into this early classic of forensic medicine; the pages on
rape are literally covered in human blood.

Illustrium Imagines, Andrea Fulvio, Rome, 1517. This book is discussed at
length in The Renaissance Computer; my edition has the original vellum
cover. There are over a hundred illustrations of Greek and Roman coins; it
was the first illustrated book on numismatics.

On the Laws of Japanese Painting, Henry P. Bowie, Paul Elder, 1911. This
book has been reprinted by Dover, but the illustrations are much finer in
the original. Think of Laws of Dots, Laws of Lines of the Garment, Laws of
Ledges, Laws of the Four Paragons...


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From a.ludovico at neural.it  Wed May 12 09:43:31 2004
From: a.ludovico at neural.it (Alessandro Ludovico)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:43:31 +0200
Subject: Neural n.21 english ed. [Rechenzentrum, Retroyou, B.Holmes,
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 12 10:42:51 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:42:51 +0200
Subject: question-on
Message-ID: <010a01c437fd$1ccfcad0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

One would has to explain to me how and in what it can be possible to speak
about anarchy in the sphere of influence about Multitudes, which has to be
an althusserian post-Leninist-Marxist review (could be a trans-Marxist
Leninist)? If somebody can, thank you in advance.
A.




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 12 11:28:28 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:28:28 +0200
Subject: Hungarian move this week in Paris
Message-ID: <00d901c43803$7c0b9e10$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

To Anna,
Hungarians in Paris, this week,
what do you think on, dear A., do you think that you could have a comment to
do for us ?
(sorry on French but it is more clear to access through the summary online)
http://www.batofar.org/rev

A.


jeudi 13 mai

REV' Budapest


line up
ATTILA GERGELY accompagné de KATA JUHASZ - Cie PAL FRENAK
( danse), PARNO GRASZT (musique tzigane), GRUPA PALOTAÏ et GABOR GADO (jazz)

Soirée d'ouverture avec, en lever de rideau, Manosolo, L'enfant du puits,
chorégraphié par Pal Frenak  et inspiré par les mouvements du Bhuto
japonais.

Jazz ensuite avec l'équipe de francs tireurs du guitariste Csaba Palotaï.
Signé sur le label BMC qui regroupe la crème du jazz hongrois, le Grupa
Palotaï puise aussi bien dans le rock que dans la musique contemporaine ou
la musique d'Europe Centrale.
En special guest, Gábor Gadó, autre guitariste magyar racé, doté d'une
intensité mélodique lumineuse. « Lorsque j'ai entendu John Coltrane pour la
première fois, je me suis dit qu'il avait dû écouter beaucoup de chansons
hongroises ».
Ça promet !

Enfin, pour conclure, les huit musiciens de Parno Graszt offriront leur
version d'une musique tzigane authentique, entre infinie mélancolie et
exubérance débridée. Influences orientales, folklore hongrois, éxubérance et
sentimentalité baignent ainsi la musique de Parno Graszt. Un éclairage sur
une minorité fondamentale de l'identité hongroise.

------------------------------
vendredi 14 mai

REV' Budapest


de 21h00 à 6h00
12 euros / 10 euros TR / prévente fnac
line up
ATTILA GERGELY accompagné de KATA JUHASZ - Cie PAL FRENAK
( danse), AKOSH TRIO (jazz), nuit chi recordings avec DJ AMB, DJ RASTER, DJ
NAGA, DJ FINE CUT BODIES

Reprise du spectacle de la Cie Pal Frenak, « Manosolo, L'enfant du puits »
présenté la veille avant de laisser place à Akosh.

Dépassant largement le cadre du jazz, la musique d'Akosh conjugue les
aspirations folkloriques d'un Béla Bartók au déluge free d'un Albert Ayler.
Ses influences, puisées dans les folklores magyars, balkaniques et tziganes
irriguent ses compositions de façon très prégnante. Entre maelström sonore
et errance contemplative, un concert d'Akosh reste toujours une expérience
renversante.

Enfin, la nuit se terminera en compagnie du label chi recordings, référence
en matière de croisements insolites, qui présentera quatre artistes de son
écurie. Au programme : electro, ambient dub, techno et drum n' bass à la
sauce magyare.

------------------------------
samedi 15 mai

REV' Budapest
http://www.batofar.org/rev

de 21h00 à 6h00
12 euros / 10 euros TR / prévente fnac

line up
SENA (hip hop / live), DJ PALOTAÏ (electro), DJ MANGO (hip hop) + films
courts avec FILMHU

Avis aux amateurs de découverte, Sena est un véritable phénomène et l'étoile
montante hip hop soul de son pays d'adoption. Chanteuse dans la lignée d'une
Me'Shell Ndegeocello ou d'une Miss Dynamite, cette personnalité hors norme
sera à coup sûr la révélation de ce festival. Une personnalité affirmée qui
se double par ailleurs d'une aisance déconcertante à aborder les styles les
plus divers : hip hop, jazz, soul ou reggae, rien ne lui résiste ni ne l'
effraie.

Enfin, c'est avec les deux dj's incontournables de Budapest que la piste
terminera de s'ébrouer. DJ Palotaï est un peu le Laurent Garnier hongrois, à
savoir l'un des pionniers du son techno dans son pays. Sa contribution dans
la diffusion des musiques électroniques auprès du public hongrois en a fait
une figure incontournable et un dj respecté pour ses qualités techniques et
son originalité.

Très présent sur la scène underground à travers les raves du Tilos ou dans
les très courues fêtes du collectif multimédia Cinetrip, Mango demeure la
référence en matière d'abstract hip-hop et de drum'n'bass. Fondateur du
collectif Gimmeshot, il organise désormais avec ses succès ses propres
soirées où s'illustre le talent de Sena que l'on retrouve ce soir.

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From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 12 11:36:46 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 05:36:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OF THE WITNESS OF THE TAPE OF BEHEADING AND OF THE TAPES OF TORTURES
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405120536370.19116@panix3.panix.com>



OF THE WITNESS OF THE TAPE OF BEHEADING AND OF THE TAPES OF TORTURES

SMASH THE FACE OF SMASH GOD THE GILGAMESH JESUS OF CHRIST JESUS ALLAH THE
MARDUK JEHOVAH FACE ALL ELOHIM THE CREATORS OF OBEISANCE OF OBSCENITIES
PRAYERS THE AND AND FACELESS FACELESS HOLY HOLY GHOST GHOST ALMIGHTIES OF
BOWINGS BOWINGS DOWN DOWN RISINGS ALL UP RISINGS FOR THESE FOR ARE THESE
KILLERS THE BETRAYERS AND WOMEN WOMEN MEN MEN SLAYERS ARE CHILDREN SLAYERS
ANGELIC SMASH HORDES THE THEM HORDES TORTURERS BEHEADERS THE ARMIES SMASH
DROWN IN VILE DROWN WATERS THEM BURN BELIEVERS DIVINITY

PROVIDENCE DESTINY IN REWARDS HEREAFTERS IN FURY

SMASH GOD THE SMASH FACE THE OF FACE GOD OF GILGAMESH CHRIST JESUS OF
CHRIST JESUS ALLAH OF MARDUK JEHOVAH JEHOVAH OF ALL ELOHIM ELOHIM THE
CREATORS ALL OBEISANCE ALL OBSCENITIES THE PRAYERS OF AND CHRIST FACELESS
THE HOLY OF GHOST HOLY ALMIGHTIES ALL BOWINGS ALL DOWN BOWINGS RISINGS ALL
UP RISINGS FOR BETRAYERS THESE FOR ARE THESE KILLERS THE BETRAYERS AND
WOMEN OF MEN AND SLAYERS THE CHILDREN OF ANGELIC THE HORDES ANGELIC THEM
SMASH TORTURERS THE BEHEADERS AND ARMIES THE DROWN WATERS IN THEM VILE IN
WATERS VILE BURN WATERS BELIEVERS SMASH DIVINITY IN PROVIDENCE IN DESTINY
IN REWARDS IN HEREAFTERS AND FURY IN

FACE GOD OF SMASH GOD THE SMASH JESUS THE CHRIST FACE GILGAMESH JESUS THE
CHRIST FACE ALLAH THE JEHOVAH THE ELOHIM FACE CREATORS FACE OBEISANCE FACE
OBSCENITIES PRAYERS PRAYERS THE AND OF HOLY FACELESS GHOST FACE ALMIGHTIES
FACE BOWINGS FACE DOWN OF RISINGS FACE UP OF KILLERS THESE BETRAYERS THE
THESE WOMEN ARE AND KILLERS THESE WOMEN THE MEN OF SLAYERS THESE CHILDREN
THE HORDES SMASH THEM ANGELIC TORTURERS BEHEADERS BEHEADERS THE THEM VILE
IN WATERS VILE DROWN WATERS THEM BELIEVERS IN DIVINITY SMASH BELIEVERS
PROVIDENCE PROVIDENCE DESTINY DESTINY IN REWARDS HEREAFTERS HEREAFTERS IN
FURY SMASH

GOD OF FACE THE SMASH CHRIST JESUS OF FACE THE SMASH GILGAMESH ALLAH OF
FACE THE SMASH JEHOVAH OF FACE THE SMASH MARDUK ELOHIM THE OF FACE THE
SMASH ALL CREATORS ALL OF FACE THE SMASH OBEISANCE ALL OF FACE THE SMASH
PRAYERS OF OBSCENITIES THE SMASH CHRIST THE JESUS OF FACE THE SMASH AND
GHOST HOLY OF FACE FACELESS THE SMASH AND ALMIGHTIES ALL OF FACE THE SMASH
DOWN BOWINGS ALL OF FACE THE SMASH AND UP RISINGS ALL OF FACE THE SMASH
BETRAYERS AND KILLERS THE ARE THESE FOR MEN AND WOMEN OF KILLERS THE ARE
THESE CHILDREN OF SLAYERS THE ARE THESE THEM SMASH HORDES ANGELIC THE
SMASH BEHEADERS AND TORTURERS THE SMASH ALMIGHTIES THE OF ARMIES THE SMASH
WATERS VILE IN THEM DROWN WATERS VILE IN THEM BURN DIVINITY IN BELIEVERS
SMASH DESTINY IN PROVIDENCE IN BELIEVERS HEREAFTERS AND REWARDS IN
BELIEVERS FURY IN THEM SMASH THEM SMASH THEM SMASH

SMASH THE FACE OF GOD GILGAMESH SMASH THE FACE OF JESUS CHRIST SMASH THE
FACE OF ALLAH MARDUK SMASH THE FACE OF JEHOVAH ALL SMASH THE FACE OF THE
ELOHIM SMASH THE FACE OF ALL CREATORS SMASH THE FACE OF ALL OBEISANCE
SMASH THE OBSCENITIES OF PRAYERS AND SMASH THE FACE OF JESUS THE CHRIST
AND SMASH THE FACELESS FACE OF HOLY GHOST SMASH THE FACE OF ALL ALMIGHTIES
AND SMASH THE FACE OF ALL BOWINGS DOWN SMASH THE FACE OF ALL RISINGS UP
FOR THESE ARE THE KILLERS AND BETRAYERS THESE ARE THE KILLERS OF WOMEN AND
MEN THESE ARE THE SLAYERS OF CHILDREN SMASH THE ANGELIC HORDES SMASH THEM
SMASH THE TORTURERS AND BEHEADERS SMASH THE ARMIES OF THE ALMIGHTIES DROWN
THEM IN VILE WATERS BURN THEM IN VILE WATERS SMASH BELIEVERS IN DIVINITY
BELIEVERS IN PROVIDENCE IN DESTINY BELIEVERS IN REWARDS AND HEREAFTERS
SMASH THEM IN FURY SMASH THEM SMASH THEM


_


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May 12 17:51:51 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:51:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405121551.i4CFppe73478@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0511-11.htm









From hub at x-arn.org  Wed May 12 19:51:46 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:51:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
Message-ID: <20040512175146.65594E4007@aucassin.ou-data.net>


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From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 12 17:26:41 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:26:41 -0400
Subject: Abu Ghraib: The American Grave in Iraq
Message-ID: <40A209F1.19715.87B47E6@localhost>

What orders? There were no (written) orders, general charged with 
devising a good spin to clear the US army of any wrongdoing, 
exclaimed in his testimony to the Congress.

Those sick puppies just played out their fantasies, and took pictures 
of their entertainment. Hell, in the US there are people who pay top 
dollar to be stripped naked, collared & leashed, and being dragged by 
a mistress around.

The Abu Ghraib ex-prison guards may consider looking for the job in 
that industry, because as they are discharged from the military, that 
may be their only option.

Meanwhile, the scandal did not really affect ANYTHING. The US 
Administration even used the fact that the scandal occupies first 
half of any international news reporting, for passing sanctions on 
Syria, and attacking a mosque in Iraq.

And the Iraqis, forgoing the US vanilla torture methods, went 
straight for the good old-fashioned beheading.

ivo

ps
now we also get stories of RAPE in Abu Ghraib ->
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1214698,00.html
and the stories of how Abu Ghraib was set up by an American expert 
contractor - charged with abuse scandal in the US! - >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1213841,00.html


From replic88t at replic88t.net  Wed May 12 17:12:36 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:12:36 +0100
Subject: corporate metaphysics
Message-ID: <CD5E9263-A426-11D8-8349-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>

What are share warrants?
If authorised by its articles, a company may convert any fully paid 
shares to 'share  warrants'. These warrants are easily transferable 
without any need for a transfer  document, that is, they can simply be 
passed from hand to hand.  When share warrants are issued, the company 
must strike out the name of the  shareholder from its register of 
members and state the date of issue of the warrant and the  number of 
shares to which it relates. Subject to the articles, a share warrant 
can be  surrendered for cancellation. If so, the holder is entitled to 
be re-entered into the register of  members. Vouchers are usually 
issued with the share warrants in order that any dividends  may be 
claimed.  The holder of a share warrant remains a shareholder but 
whether they are a member of  the company depends on the articles of 
the company. A company which converts all its  shares to share warrants 
should be careful: it could become a memberless company and  therefore 
cease to exist.
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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 12 23:19:19 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:19:19 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <200405121551.i4CFppe73478@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405121551.i4CFppe73478@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040512231848.01fad640@pop.free.fr>

At 17:51 12/05/2004, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 13 01:24:30 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:24:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974@www.god-emil.dk>



>The most stark contradiction to have emerged from this episode is that many Americans see their 
>country as a harbinger of democracy and freedom which made a mistake, and the rest of the world sees 
>it as a bully reverting to type. 


simply put - United Snakes of America is the only democracy to pass from barbarism to degeneration
             without a period of civilization.

very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS











From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 13 02:09:06 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:09:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405130009.i4D096W74449@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0512-08.htm

>But who debauched these young American men and women soldiers? I would argue that 
>the moral debauchery came down the chain of command from Washington. 


not unlike the degenerate + thieving MOTHER FUCKER david zicarelli
who in Cycling74 company directives encouraged his underpaid serfs
to view NN as a non-person, to harass, sabotage and stalk NN.

not unlike the degenerate + thieving MOTHER FUCKER david zicarelli
who in private meetings with his serfs encouraged them to steal 
and reverse engineer NN's intellectual property.

on the other hand what else can one expect from jankee MOTHER FUCKERS










From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 13 02:38:36 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:38:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] question-on
In-Reply-To: <010a01c437fd$1ccfcad0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <010a01c437fd$1ccfcad0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1050.82.224.112.161.1084408716.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

hoh hoh hoh !
just read on !
't's cool !

kisses
astrëe


> One would has to explain to me how and in what it can be possible to speak
> about anarchy in the sphere of influence about Multitudes, which has to be
> an althusserian post-Leninist-Marxist review (could be a trans-Marxist
> Leninist)? If somebody can, thank you in advance.
> A.
>
>
>


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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 13 02:43:14 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:43:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Hungarian move this week in Paris : may 20th !
In-Reply-To: <00d901c43803$7c0b9e10$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <00d901c43803$7c0b9e10$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
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yoh !

if you may 20th still in paris :

ALéATOIRE

@ péniche Alternat

métro (tube): Bercy or St-Emilion

concert :

poésie, hacktivisme & free music
poetry, hacktivism &nd free music

c]          yeppah !

                            cheers !






kisses
astrëe
> To Anna,
> Hungarians in Paris, this week,
> what do you think on, dear A., do you think that you could have a comment
> to
> do for us ?
> (sorry on French but it is more clear to access through the summary
> online)
> http://www.batofar.org/rev
>
> A.
>
>
> jeudi 13 mai
>
> REV' Budapest
>
>
> line up
> ATTILA GERGELY accompagné de KATA JUHASZ - Cie PAL FRENAK
> ( danse), PARNO GRASZT (musique tzigane), GRUPA PALOTAÏ et GABOR GADO
> (jazz)
>
> Soirée d'ouverture avec, en lever de rideau, Manosolo, L'enfant du puits,
> chorégraphié par Pal Frenak  et inspiré par les mouvements du Bhuto
> japonais.
>
> Jazz ensuite avec l'équipe de francs tireurs du guitariste Csaba Palotaï.
> Signé sur le label BMC qui regroupe la crème du jazz hongrois, le Grupa
> Palotaï puise aussi bien dans le rock que dans la musique contemporaine ou
> la musique d'Europe Centrale.
> En special guest, Gábor Gadó, autre guitariste magyar racé, doté d'une
> intensité mélodique lumineuse. « Lorsque j'ai entendu John Coltrane pour
> la
> première fois, je me suis dit qu'il avait dû écouter beaucoup de chansons
> hongroises ».
> Ça promet !
>
> Enfin, pour conclure, les huit musiciens de Parno Graszt offriront leur
> version d'une musique tzigane authentique, entre infinie mélancolie et
> exubérance débridée. Influences orientales, folklore hongrois, éxubérance
> et
> sentimentalité baignent ainsi la musique de Parno Graszt. Un éclairage sur
> une minorité fondamentale de l'identité hongroise.
>
> ------------------------------
> vendredi 14 mai
>
> REV' Budapest
>
>
> de 21h00 à 6h00
> 12 euros / 10 euros TR / prévente fnac
> line up
> ATTILA GERGELY accompagné de KATA JUHASZ - Cie PAL FRENAK
> ( danse), AKOSH TRIO (jazz), nuit chi recordings avec DJ AMB, DJ RASTER,
> DJ
> NAGA, DJ FINE CUT BODIES
>
> Reprise du spectacle de la Cie Pal Frenak, « Manosolo, L'enfant du puits »
> présenté la veille avant de laisser place à Akosh.
>
> Dépassant largement le cadre du jazz, la musique d'Akosh conjugue les
> aspirations folkloriques d'un Béla Bartók au déluge free d'un Albert
> Ayler.
> Ses influences, puisées dans les folklores magyars, balkaniques et
> tziganes
> irriguent ses compositions de façon très prégnante. Entre maelström sonore
> et errance contemplative, un concert d'Akosh reste toujours une expérience
> renversante.
>
> Enfin, la nuit se terminera en compagnie du label chi recordings,
> référence
> en matière de croisements insolites, qui présentera quatre artistes de son
> écurie. Au programme : electro, ambient dub, techno et drum n' bass à la
> sauce magyare.
>
> ------------------------------
> samedi 15 mai
>
> REV' Budapest
> http://www.batofar.org/rev
>
> de 21h00 à 6h00
> 12 euros / 10 euros TR / prévente fnac
>
> line up
> SENA (hip hop / live), DJ PALOTAÏ (electro), DJ MANGO (hip hop) + films
> courts avec FILMHU
>
> Avis aux amateurs de découverte, Sena est un véritable phénomène et
> l'étoile
> montante hip hop soul de son pays d'adoption. Chanteuse dans la lignée
> d'une
> Me'Shell Ndegeocello ou d'une Miss Dynamite, cette personnalité hors norme
> sera à coup sûr la révélation de ce festival. Une personnalité affirmée
> qui
> se double par ailleurs d'une aisance déconcertante à aborder les styles
> les
> plus divers : hip hop, jazz, soul ou reggae, rien ne lui résiste ni ne l'
> effraie.
>
> Enfin, c'est avec les deux dj's incontournables de Budapest que la piste
> terminera de s'ébrouer. DJ Palotaï est un peu le Laurent Garnier hongrois,
> à
> savoir l'un des pionniers du son techno dans son pays. Sa contribution
> dans
> la diffusion des musiques électroniques auprès du public hongrois en a
> fait
> une figure incontournable et un dj respecté pour ses qualités techniques
> et
> son originalité.
>
> Très présent sur la scène underground à travers les raves du Tilos ou dans
> les très courues fêtes du collectif multimédia Cinetrip, Mango demeure la
> référence en matière d'abstract hip-hop et de drum'n'bass. Fondateur du
> collectif Gimmeshot, il organise désormais avec ses succès ses propres
> soirées où s'illustre le talent de Sena que l'on retrouve ce soir.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>


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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 13 02:56:27 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:56:27 +0200
Subject: Battisti: verdict on June 30th
Message-ID: <001401c43885$1f0a96d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Report and next meeting...
http://www.cesarebattisti.net


Last lawsuit, Paris, on Wednesday, May 12th, 5 PM - 9 PM

beloved Freedom / culture otherwise / final
Battisti cut

Verdict on June 30th!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Attention ! The Press and the television désinforment (The World(Monde),
A2, Euro New, etc.) according to a lie of the title and the article by AFP
which also désinformera thus the foreign Press...
(Doubtless to be convenient for a pressure of the Chancellery):
" The general public prosecutor's department of Paris favorable to the
extradition of Battisti: the general public prosecutor's department of Paris
declared itself on Wednesday favorable to the extradition towards Cesare's
Italy [...] "

    FORGERY! (I can tell of as I was there)

1. This info fallen unless 8 pm ignores a whole pladoirie and half of the
other one (the indictment inaugurated the session but the instruction lasted
until 21 h).

3. An Italian lawyer came to show texts in hand of the legal limit of the
Battisti file within the framework of the Italian very law, and more still
towards the European law.

4. The prosecuting attorney is symbolically always in the role of the
indicter, that his indictment is against the accused person is thus normal.

5. The prosecuting attorney is not the prosecutor and do not thus represent
the general public prosecutor's department.

6. The general public prosecutor's department did not give opinion favorable
to the extradition and the judges will give their verdict only on June 30th.

    We can even say that the analysis of the file of the Italian government,
with falsified details(rooms) and the others modified, was rather oppressive
for this one and showed the manipulations denounced(cancelled) by lawyers.
And the examination of the file the files of arhives of which were rather
favorable to the refusal of extradition.

To see on June 30th if French Judges at last will succeed to resist. I hope
so.

O.

Comment: obnoxious attitude of the Italian journalists during the lawsuit
(chatting during the pleas and not stopping entering and bringing out and
twice slamming the door; specially when the heard of piece from a high
Italian expert on Italian law ).




From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 03:30:37 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:30:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: acoustopsychogeographism 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405122130240.23939@panix3.panix.com>



acoustopsychogeographism

http://www.asondheim.org/node2.mp3
http://www.asondheim.org/node3.mp3

major corporation university node
space-psuh


_


From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 13 05:34:41 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:34:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1084419281.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>


au fait,

why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?

en fait, pourquoi,

alors que c'est si facile,

mais pourquoi ?

parce que c'est fastidieux ?

(&, let's tell you,

clement, il aurait pu,

connaissant him...)

louise, help us plizz !

______

ah oui, Elles oubliaient

the object real of the mimile :

http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html

_______

Elles proud hacking
astrëe's mimile boîte

hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih

_______


signé Otto von Strassenbach


bande d'anonymes !

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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 06:01:01 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:01:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: a list is a communality of people
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405130000490.3481@panix3.panix.com>




a list is a communality of people


if the world will disappear, i will make you smile, and i will disappear.
if i will speak no more, the moon will say to you, and if i say no more,
the sun will speak to you. for i will leave this list, and i will speak no
more, and i will leave the world, and you will see no more, nor will you
hear when i shall leave the world, nor will you speak, when i shall leave
the world. for your smile i will say the truth and leave a storm for you,
and for the moon, i will leave the sun and this sad world.:i will make a
storm for you if i will say the truth and i will make the sun come unto
the lord and beg forgiveness. for it is said, to beg forgiveness is the
sun and to demand such is the moon. if i will say a lie, i will make a
rainbow, and if you walk a while, the ends will be a circle. for to be at
the end is to witness the circle, whereof all of life, if the truth be
said, is the sun and the moon, and all of life is the moon and the sun. :i
will gladly give up this list if it will make you happier and i will give
up my life if it will make you smile but i will not give up my country,
it's of you, sweet land of liberty, long may it smile. i will leave this
happy world for peace and i will leave this sad world for the forsaking of
war and i will leave this world for you if it will make you smile. i will
destroy these words if they will make you mad but if they make you happy i
will give up this world, i will give up this world for you if it will make
you smile.:: sun and moon and world, how sad!


_


From ctgr at free.fr  Thu May 13 10:18:42 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:18:42 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
In-Reply-To: <1044.82.224.112.161.1084419281.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <253A9000-A4B6-11D8-BA0A-000393B03010@free.fr>

because I am a woman

Le jeudi, 13 mai 2004, à 05:34 Europe/Paris, astrëe galbiatta a écrit :

>
> au fait,
>
> why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?
>
> en fait, pourquoi,
>
> alors que c'est si facile,
>
> mais pourquoi ?
>
> parce que c'est fastidieux ?
>
> (&, let's tell you,
>
> clement, il aurait pu,
>
> connaissant him...)
>
> louise, help us plizz !
>
> ______
>
> ah oui, Elles oubliaient
>
> the object real of the mimile :
>
> http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
>
> _______
>
> Elles proud hacking
> astrëe's mimile boîte
>
> hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih
>
> _______
>
>
> signé Otto von Strassenbach
>
>
> bande d'anonymes !
>
> <pre>
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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 10:33:13 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 04:33:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: found worlds + node4.mp3 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405130433050.21982@panix3.panix.com>




found worlds


Type: Post-AGB Star
ICRS 2000.0 = 06 19 58.2160 -10 38 14.691 A [22.95 14.69 128]
1997A&A...323L..4
9P
FK5 1950.0 = 06 17 37.02 -10 36 51.5 A [140.39 88.72 127]
1997A&A...323L..49P
FK4 1950 = 06 17 37.01 -10 36 51.6 A [141.88 89.91 127]
1997A&A...323L..49P
 gal = 218.97 -11.76
 mb, mv =  9.33       9.02   ---  sp type = B8V
 pm = -10.98 -21.10 A [  2.77   1.75 128] 1997A&A...323L..49P
 rv = ./.
 plx = 2.62 A [2.37] 1997A&A...323L..49P
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
V* V777 Mon               NSV 2919                  ** A 2925AB
ADS 4954 AB               BD-10 1476                CCDM J06200-1038AB
GEN# +1.00044179J         GSC 05367-01134           HD 44179
HIC 30089                 HIP 30089                 IDS 06153-1036 AB
IRAS 06176-1036           NAME RED RECTANGLE        PPM 217028
RAFGL 915                 SAO 151362                TYC 5367- 1134-1
uvby98 100044179 AB       YZC 11 1886com HIC 30089 incl CCDM J06200-1038AB
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Measurements:
SAO: 1    UBV: 1    IRAS: 1   IUE:19    uvby1: 2  Hbet1: 2  Fe_H: 1
ISO: 5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
References: 368
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
	 After Module Start:
	 After Win 32
	 After all news:
	Before news PCIScan:
	BIOS
	Logical Drives
	BeforeCDRom
	AfterCDRom
	USB
	Printers
	PoitingDevice
	Keyboard
	Monitor
	PCI Cards
	Disk
	PnP
	SW
	iPAQ
	iPAQ before
	iPAQ after
	Destructor init
	Destructor middle
	Destructor after usbdevice
	Destructor after monitor
	Destructor after processor
	Destructor after cdrom
	Destructor after drive
	Destructor after partition
	Destructor after floppy
	Destructor after printer
	Destructor after hp_printer
	Destructor after hp_usb
	Destructor after hp_pnp
	Destructor after pci_xml
	Destructor after port
	Destructor after bios
	Destructor after memory
	Destructor after keyboard
	Destructor after system
	Destructor after mouse
	Destructor after usb_data
	Destructor after printer_data
	Destructor after cdrom_data
	Destructor after disk_data
	Destructor after pci
	Destructor after pnp_data
	Destructor after bios_data
	Destructor after monitor
	Destructor end

http://www.asondheim.org/node4.mp3

 _


From stevanvukovic at yahoo.com  Thu May 13 07:03:39 2004
From: stevanvukovic at yahoo.com (stevan vukovic)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 22:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Thursday May 13, 2004, at 6.30 pm  the SMS Manhattan Shadow Project at Van Alen
Message-ID: <20040513050339.50682.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com>


Thursday May 13, 2004, at 6.30 pm ? the SMS Manhattan Shadow Project will be presented at Van Alen Institute in New York,  30 West 22nd Street, www.vanalen.org, phone 2129247000

Manhattan Shadow Project is a workshop of the School of Missing Studies [SMS], held at Van Alen Institute in New York City from May 10-14, 2004, to investigate the shadow in the metropolis, as it takes on an array of physical, digital and metaphorical appearances and meanings. A presentation will be held at Van Alen Institute Thursday May 13, 2004, at 6.30 pm with a reception following

SMS is a collaborative initiative of Liesbeth Bik (artist, Rotterdam), Katherine Carl (writer/curator, New York), Ana Dzokic (architect, Rotterdam), Srdjan Jovanovic Vajs (architect, New York), Ivan Kucina (architect, Belgrade), Marc Neelen (architect, Rotterdam), Milica Topalovic (architect, Rotterdam), Jos Van der Pol (artist, Rotterdam), Sabine von Fischer (architect, Zurich) and Stevan Vukovic (writer/curator, Belgrade).

School of Missing Studies (SMS)  provides a flexible educational platform and a network for international study and exchange on cultural issues related to the urban environment in cities marked by or currently undergoing political, social, and cultural transition. SMS will provide productive research and project opportunities for young professionals in architecture and art who are dealing with what is ?missing? in their studies with regard to processes of local urban change. Participants in SMS will explore the smooth area among established disciplines such as architecture, art, sociology and cultural studies to bring to light the missing phenomena of urban transition in Belgrade, Munich, New York, Rotterdam and Zurich. 

Manhattan Shadow Project is a workshop whose investigation is sparked by the current crisis of architectural and artistic forms as a physical mass or symbol that can identify and redefine the metropolis. Can a metropolis be captured by its negative? Can it be reshaped through its shadow? The zoning laws of the 1930s developed by Hugh Ferris, dubbed the master of darkness, will jump-start the workshop?s research on the urban importance of the physical, visible shadow. The city casts many metaphorical shadows concerning individuals? sense of belonging, the metropolis? projection of its identity on a scale which surpasses its physical confines, or neighborhoods becoming shadows of their former selves in light of tourism. The digital shadow of the cosmopolis is the disconnection from electronic and information networks despite the metropolis? promise for ultimate connectivity.


The workshop participants were students of architecture from Belgrade (Dubravka Sekulic, Dejan Mrdja, Andreja Miric and Jelena Mitrovic) and New York, under the critique and direction by SMS [Srdjan Jovanovic Vajs, Ivan Kucina,  Katherine Carl  and Stevan Vukovic ], Van Alen [Jonathan Cohen-Litant], Maria Lind, Sina Najafi, Dan Sherer, Katie Salen, Zoe Ryan, Nebojsa Seric-Shoba, Jenny PerlinChris Sharples, Anna Dyson, Miodrag Mitrasinovic and Valerie Tevere.

School of Missing Studies is supported by the Trust for Mutual Understanding, New York; Kulturstiftung des Bundes, Berlin and the US Embassy in Serbia and Montenegro.

 

 

 

 



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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 13 10:37:29 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:37:29 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
References: <253A9000-A4B6-11D8-BA0A-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <009b01c438c5$875abcc0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Je croule déjà sous les spams (mille par jour). Merci d'arrêter tes c...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>
Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$


> because I am a woman
>
> Le jeudi, 13 mai 2004, à 05:34 Europe/Paris, astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
>
> >
> > au fait,
> >
> > why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?
> >
> > en fait, pourquoi,
> >
> > alors que c'est si facile,
> >
> > mais pourquoi ?
> >
> > parce que c'est fastidieux ?
> >
> > (&, let's tell you,
> >
> > clement, il aurait pu,
> >
> > connaissant him...)
> >
> > louise, help us plizz !
> >
> > ______
> >
> > ah oui, Elles oubliaient
> >
> > the object real of the mimile :
> >
> > http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
> >
> > _______
> >
> > Elles proud hacking
> > astrëe's mimile boîte
> >
> > hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih
> >
> > _______
> >
> >
> > signé Otto von Strassenbach
> >
> >
> > bande d'anonymes !
> >
> > <pre>
> >                            _____________________________
> > <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 13 10:50:21 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:50:21 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
In-Reply-To: <009b01c438c5$875abcc0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <253A9000-A4B6-11D8-BA0A-000393B03010@free.fr> <009b01c438c5$875abcc0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1084438221.40a336cde32b3@imp3-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> Je croule déjà sous les spams (mille par jour). Merci d'arrêter tes c...

Take it or Leave it, Aliette.
There are enough people here who are bored with your conneries and are not 
complaining. I am not complaining about you so please put up or shut up.

f.


> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>
> Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
> 
> 
> > because I am a woman
> >
> > Le jeudi, 13 mai 2004, à 05:34 Europe/Paris, astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
> >
> > >
> > > au fait,
> > >
> > > why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?
> > >
> > > en fait, pourquoi,
> > >
> > > alors que c'est si facile,
> > >
> > > mais pourquoi ?
> > >
> > > parce que c'est fastidieux ?
> > >
> > > (&, let's tell you,
> > >
> > > clement, il aurait pu,
> > >
> > > connaissant him...)
> > >
> > > louise, help us plizz !
> > >
> > > ______
> > >
> > > ah oui, Elles oubliaient
> > >
> > > the object real of the mimile :
> > >
> > > http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
> > >
> > > _______
> > >
> > > Elles proud hacking
> > > astrëe's mimile boîte
> > >
> > > hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih
> > >
> > > _______
> > >
> > >
> > > signé Otto von Strassenbach
> > >
> > >
> > > bande d'anonymes !
> > >
> > > <pre>
> > >                            _____________________________
> > > <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
> > >                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> > > </pre>
> > >
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> 
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 13 11:24:45 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:24:45 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
References: <253A9000-A4B6-11D8-BA0A-000393B03010@free.fr> <009b01c438c5$875abcc0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1084438221.40a336cde32b3@imp3-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <015d01c438cc$23a6bbf0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

je n'ai jamais protesté alors pour une fois, je peux bien ça ne mange pas de
pain ! c'était comme une blague froide sachant le propre désagrément que je
peux représenter ! mais tu vois toujours l'humour d'un seul côté alors c'est
désespérant. Sûr que ctgr lui au moins ne s'y est pas trompé car s'il sait
repérer mes pires il connait néanmoins quelques unes de mes bonnes
possibilités ;-)

On the list I have never protested before, here it was a fresh joke knowing
on my own online. Sure : ctgr has not a misunderstanding on my post ; if he
knows on my worst, he knows something on my best.

But Fred I see that jokes are seen only to a part, no to another one,

you are really hopeless ;-)
A.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$


> Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> > Je croule déjà sous les spams (mille par jour). Merci d'arrêter tes c...
>
> Take it or Leave it, Aliette.
> There are enough people here who are bored with your conneries and are not
> complaining. I am not complaining about you so please put up or shut up.
>
> f.
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>
> > Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
> >
> >
> > > because I am a woman
> > >
> > > Le jeudi, 13 mai 2004, à 05:34 Europe/Paris, astrëe galbiatta a écrit
:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > au fait,
> > > >
> > > > why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?
> > > >
> > > > en fait, pourquoi,
> > > >
> > > > alors que c'est si facile,
> > > >
> > > > mais pourquoi ?
> > > >
> > > > parce que c'est fastidieux ?
> > > >
> > > > (&, let's tell you,
> > > >
> > > > clement, il aurait pu,
> > > >
> > > > connaissant him...)
> > > >
> > > > louise, help us plizz !
> > > >
> > > > ______
> > > >
> > > > ah oui, Elles oubliaient
> > > >
> > > > the object real of the mimile :
> > > >
> > > > http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
> > > >
> > > > _______
> > > >
> > > > Elles proud hacking
> > > > astrëe's mimile boîte
> > > >
> > > > hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih
> > > >
> > > > _______
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > signé Otto von Strassenbach
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > bande d'anonymes !
> > > >
> > > > <pre>
> > > >                            _____________________________
> > > > <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
> > > >                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> > > > </pre>
> > > >
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> >
> >
>
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 13 11:57:49 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:57:49 +0200
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <008001c438d0$f8eef760$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Dis à toi tous les toits...
to you included all roofs...

> ah oui, Elles oubliaient
>
> the object real of the mimile :
>
> http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
>

... c'est magnifique ce truc là parce qu'en plus dynamique par le rythme
graphique, celui de la composition associé à celui de la navigation qui
intègre le casse-tête obsessionnel,

tu devrais le faire aussi en anglais.... le jeu rend-il la tâche trop
compliquée ?

parce que toi et l'anglais, pourtant ;-)

... I enjoy this (rythm and composition associated to surfing associated to
obsessional sense) why do not translate it in English ?




From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 13 12:03:25 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:03:25 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <008001c438d0$f8eef760$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <008001c438d0$f8eef760$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1084442605.40a347edbc327@imp3-q.free.fr>

> ... I enjoy this (rythm and composition associated to surfing associated to
> obsessional sense) why do not translate it in English ?

or in Greek ?

f.


From ctgr at free.fr  Thu May 13 12:06:28 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:06:28 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
In-Reply-To: <015d01c438cc$23a6bbf0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <3363F76F-A4C5-11D8-B03F-000393B03010@free.fr>

> Sûr que ctgr lui au moins ne s'y est pas trompé car s'il sait
> repérer mes pires il connait néanmoins quelques unes de mes bonnes
> possibilités ;-)

le multi clic !





From digiteer at ispbonanza.com.ph  Thu May 13 10:40:50 2004
From: digiteer at ispbonanza.com.ph (=?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E1tima?= Lasay)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:40:50 +0800
Subject: Book: a critical look at information technology by Roberto
  Verzola (fw)
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040513163845.01e090e0@localhost>

Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 06:41:12 -0700
From: rverzola at gn.apc.org
Subject: book: a critical look at information technology

I just want to let my friends on this list who missed my March 10
book launching that my book Towards a Political Economy of
Information is now available at the Popular Book Store (Timog
corner T.Morato Ave., QC). It is also available from the publisher
Foundation for Nationalist Studies (lrc_fns at yahoo.com).

For the curious, I've enclosed below the book's Table of Contents.

Obet Verzola

Table of Contents:

Part I. Information and Intellectual Property Rights (IPR)

1. The miracle of the loaves
2. A new offensive against the Third World
3. U.S. piracy in the 19th century
4. The 'piracy' of intellectuals
5. GATT: Free Trade or Monopoly Growth?	
6. IPR: a clash of value-systems
7. Towards a political economy of information

Part II. ICTs and the Internet

8. Expanding market for information economies
9. A hierarchy of access
10. ICT: job creator or destroyer?
11. A poor learning environment
12. An interactive idiot box
13. Private space controlled by rentiers
14. Perverse subsidies
15. Internet cafes: connectivity for the masses?

Part III. Genetic Information And Genetic Engineering

16. Turning farmers into 'pirates'
17. Pirating genetic resources
18. Beware of modern vampires
19. Biosafety and genetic contamination

Part IV. Monopolistic Information Economies

20. Information monopolies and the WTO
21. Globalization: the third wave
22. Cyberlords: rentier class of the information sector	
23. Testing the political strength of a cyberlord
24. Globalization: poor design?
25. What could be more important than efficiency?

Part V. Alternatives: A Non-Monopolistic Information Sector

26. A well-kept IT secret
27. IT or AT?
28. Community rights over biological material: property or moral
rights?
29. Low-cost strategies for ICT deployment in developing countries
30.Greening the information sector	
31. Alternatives to globalization



Fátima Lasay http://digitalmedia.upd.edu.ph/digiteer/
Fingerprint 379A 3BD3 29D6 D3BD B135  2C4F BF89 F99A 6BF3 3BD3




From chris at musgrave.org  Thu May 13 13:17:29 2004
From: chris at musgrave.org (=?ISO-8859-1?B?qQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:17:29 +0200
Subject: /55\(no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <1F413658-A4CF-11D8-AD69-000A9591F2F4@musgrave.org>

Too simple.

On May 13, 2004, at 1:24 AM, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

> very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS



From thth at noos.fr  Thu May 13 14:48:10 2004
From: thth at noos.fr (TH)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:48:10 +0200
Subject: Shut-up.
Message-ID: <MEBBJLHHIBKMFNEPDLLDKEBGCHAA.thth@noos.fr>

http://casseurs2hype.free.fr/zik/chicros.ram




From ivo at reporters.net  Thu May 13 16:01:46 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:01:46 -0400
Subject: (Fwd) [World War 3 Report] Iraq: The Civil Opposition
Message-ID: <40A3478A.8977.D53E61A@localhost>

a different view on Iraq
------- Forwarded message follows -------
THE CIVIL OPPOSITION IN IRAQ

An Interview with Khayal Ibrahim of the Organization of Women's
Freedom in Iraq and Samir Noory of the Worker Communist Party of Iraq

by Bill Weinberg


March 8, International Women's Day, saw a courageous street
mobilization by nearly a thousand Baghdad women (and some male
supporters) against a proposed constitutional measure to impose
Islamic Shari'a law in Iraq. The march was called by the Organization
of Women's Freedom in Iraq (OWFI), which warned that the measure 
would
legalize the stoning and beheading of women and eliminate legal 
rights
in marriage, child custody, education and reproductive freedom. 
OWFI's
protests helped pressure Iraq's Governing Council to vote down the
measure--for now. But since the campaign, the organization's leader,
Yanar Mohammed, has been receiving death threats.

On March 3, a group of OWFI supporters held a solidarity vigil with
the Baghdad women at the Federal Building in downtown Manhattan. In
attendance were Khayal Ibrahim of OWFI and Samir Noory of the Worker
Communist Party of Iraq, who came down for the vigil from Toronto,
where they live as exiles. Both are in close contact with the
organizations they represent in Iraq, and serve as their North
American voice. On the night before the Manhattan vigil, Ibrahim and
Noory spoke with WW3 REPORT editor Bill Weinberg on his weekly
midnight talk show, the Moorish Orthodox Radio Crusade, on
listener-supported WBAI, 99.5 FM.


BW: Welcome aboard, Khayal Ibrahim of the Organization of Women's
Freedom in Iraq, OWFI.

KI: Thank you.

BW: And Samir Noory, of the Worker Communist Party of Iraq. Welcome
aboard!

SN: Thank you.

BW: Khayal was just giving me some interesting commentary on the 
music
we played. This is the only music that we have from Iraq, so our
listeners have heard it before. It was Les Maqams de Baghdad, and you
were just telling us about how this older Iraqi music differs from 
the
stuff which is in vogue today.

KI:  Yeah, this was very famous music from more than 30 years ago, 
and
everybody likes it because after that the songs changed to political
things mostly--people would just sing for Saddam, or just sing 
Kurdish
or Turkomani songs. That's why when I heard, I felt like "Oh god, 
that
was a long time ago that I last heard it," and I really liked it.

BW:  So the music today is somewhat polarized along ethnic linesŠ

KI: Yes exactly. At that time, nobody would think "Oh this isn't an
Arabic song, we won't listen to it." If the singer is good, everybody
liked it. Today it is different.

BW:  So that's indicative of the whole cultural climate in Iraq at 
the
moment...

KI:  Yes, exactly.

BW:  And, you're living inŠ

KI:  Right now I live in Toronto, Canada. We came for tomorrow's
demonstration, to support women against Shari'a law, which will bring
suffering for women in Iraq, and Iraqi women have been suffering for
so long. Even the civil law that we used to have was based on 
Shari'a,
but at least it gave some kind of civil rights for women, like the
right to refuse marriage. But with Shari'a law, woman will lose
everything. She will just be like any other object at home. She will
have no right to take care of her children when she gets separated,
she will have no right to separate from her husband, even if she is
stoned by her husband. It would legalize honor killingŠ

BW:  For being unfaithful, that sort of thingŠ

KI:  Exactly, so she can be stoned to death. It will take women back
more than 300 years. It's not fair in this world, in this time, that
women can live like that. We need to live just like women in any 
other
country in the world--like American women, like Canadian women. So we
don't accept that. For the Iraqi people, religion is supposed to be a
personal thing. You can be a religious person, or you can be a 
secular
person.

BW:  Well, this is the way it traditionally was under Saddam, but
there's now signs that this is going to be changing in the post-
Saddam
order.

KI:  Well, even with Saddam, the civil code that was instated in 1958
was based more than fifty percent on Shari'a law, even if it
guaranteed like some kind of rights--a little, we can say.

BW:  This was instated in 1958, after the monarchy was overthrown?

KI:  That's right. But after Saddam came to power, he added Article
111, which was a very big retreat for women. And since that time,
thousands of women have been killed--and nobody even mentions it.
People just think, OK, this is their tradition.  There is no
tradition!  And even if that's a tradition, we have to change thatŠ

BW:  So Saddam actually reformed the law to make it worseŠ

KI:  Yes, because political Islam was becoming stronger, they planted
their nets everywhere. All over.

BW:  This was the '80s?

KI:  Yes, in the '80s. A huge retreat for women in Iraq.

BW:  And just recently, there was a measure which was proposed by the
Governing Council which would have imposed Shari'a law, but was
defeated.

KI:  It was defeated, and that is a really good sign that the Iraqi
people are not accepting Shari'a law. We need to have freedom, we 
need
to be educated, to marry the person we want. We don't want to be
stoned by our husbands. We need full equality between man and woman.
So that is our main goal. We have to get it, and we have to fight for
that. And Iraqi women, they have a long, long history of struggling
against this tradition.

BW:  And OWFI has a strong presence on the ground in Iraq?

KI:  Yes, of course. It was founded more than 12 years ago in
Kurdistan. Today it has members all over Iraq, and committees all 
over
the world. We started in secret, because this was under Saddam's
regime. And we had a very rough time even in Kurdistan. When the two
ruling Kurdish nationalist parties, the KDP and PUK, first came to
power they killed thousands of women. We have documented all these
so-called honor killings. So while we finally had shelter from Saddam
there, we had a hard time at first. We had our newsletter, al-
Mosawat,
which means Equality, and they closed it down; we had our office
closed many times...

BW:  The office was where? What city?

KI:  It was in Suliymaniah, and we also had an office in Erbil. They
closed both of them, and they threatened all the women there, they
threatened them with honor killings, and we had to fight against 
that.

BW:  And OWFI has recently led some public protests in Baghdad.

KI:  Of course, OWFI led the demonstration against Shari'a when they
tried to impose it, and we had many public speeches. Yanar Mohammed 
is
the head of OWFI and she has been threatened two times now by the
political Islamic forces, and they taunted her the second time that 
if
she doesn't stop her activities she will be killed in a few days. So
here we need support from all the activists, all the freedom lovers Š

BW:  She is in Baghdad?

KI:  She is in Baghdad, and she gave us a call a few days ago. She
said she has to be more careful, but our struggle continues, we'll
keep fighting Š We have no choice, but to struggle and fight for our
rights until the end.

BW:  During the Saddam era, was she in Iraq? Or she was in exile?

KI: She was with us as an immigrant in Canada since about eight years
ago. But after Saddam's regime was gone she went back for political
activities, to start our Baghdad office, and publish our newspaper,
Equality...

BW:  In Arabic?

KI:  Yes, in Arabic, and we have it in English on the website.

BW:  Samir Noory of the Worker Communist Party of Iraq: could you 
tell
us something about your organization, and how it fared under Saddam,
and how it's been faring in the post-Saddam era?

SN:  Our party was established around 1993 as an underground
organization, and a lot of our members and cadres were arrested by
Saddam. There was no freedom, not any freedom of speech, so there was
no open political activity at that time. But we started our work in
north part of Iraq, in SuliymaniahŠ

BW:  In Kurdistan?

SN:  In Kurdistan, yeah, Suliymaniah and Erbil and Dahuk. And we had
our newspaper, ash-Shuyu'iya-al-Umalliya, and we were involved in a
lot of activity with the workers movement, the council movement, in
1991. I was there, I was one of them Š

BW:  What is the council movement?

SN:  We built a lot of workers' councils in the factories, like the
cigarette factories in Suliymaniah and Erbil. This was a new
independent labor movement in Iraq.

BW:  This emerged after the Kurdish autonomous zone was establishedŠ

SN:  It was in the uprising [against Saddam] in 1991. But this
movement was opposed by the nationalist movements in Kurdistan, the
PUK and PDK, and threatened by them--they sent the militia against
those activities...

BW:  So you were opposed to both the Kurdish parties and the Ba'ath
party...

SN:  Yeah, for sure!  From the beginning until now, we were against
the Ba'ath party because it was against all the political movements,
all the other political parties.  Yeah.

BW: And does the council movement still exist? Today?

SN:  Yes, it is very strong in Baghdad and Kirkuk now, and we still
have a presence in Suliymaniah and also in Erbil.

BW: Linked to your party?

SN:  Yeah, supported by our party. And also in Nasiriya, and I hear
they have started in Basra too.

BW:  And was your party able to have any kind of presence at all in
Saddam-controlled Iraq?

SN:  We protested Saddam's fake elections, and they arrested some our
members in Najaf and Nasiriya. They were in the Abu Ghraib prison
until Saddam was toppled.

BW:  And that was when? When was this fake election?

SN:  In 1995.

BW:  And your people were arrested for what exactly?

SN:  For writing on the walls, using paint against Saddam and against
this fake election. Some of them were sentenced to seven, ten years 
in
prison.

BW:  And have they been able to resume political activities now?

SN:  Well, now they face another problem with political Islam. I 
don't
know if you heard about how the Italian forces were sent to take over
our office in Nasiriya.

BW:  Oh, really?

SN:  Yeah, the troops protect the forces of political Islam there! 
And
now our office in Nasiriya is downŠ

BW: When did this happen?

SN:  This is happened two months after Saddam was toppled.

BW:  The Italian troops shut down your office in NasiriyaŠ

SN:  Yeah! We made a demo in Toronto and we entered the Italian
consulate, and we gave them our letter about that and they said 
"We're
gonna resolve this one," and they didn't! They are really helping
political Islam.

BW:  On what grounds did they close the office? With what
justification?

SN: I think they said, "We don't need any problems here, and you are
communists and the Islamic forces don't like it..." I don't know,
maybe they used this as an excuseŠ

BW:  So has your office reopened? Or it's still closed?

SN:  No, they didn't allow it.

BW:  So have you been able  to resume, for instance, putting out a
publication? Anywhere in Iraq?

SN:  Yeah, right now we have our newspaper ash-Shuyu'iya-al-Umalliya 
Š

BW: Which means what?

SN: It means "Worker Communist" in Arabic. 12,000 distributed each
issue.

BW:  In Baghdad?

SN:  In Baghdad, and in all the cities in Iraq. Mostly in Baghdad
because you know the population of Baghdad is around six million
people.

BW:  And when you call yourselves communists, what are your political
roots, what sort of tendency, ideologyŠ

SN:  You know, communist! It means another society, against the
capitalists, it means equality between the people, economically. 
That's the basis of our movement. And politically, we want socialist
rule, worker rule. That's what we call for.

BW:  Clearly. But certainly throughout the history of the world
communist movement, there's been all sorts of divisions and 
struggles,
so, do you come out on any side in terms of Trostskyism or Maoism..?

SN:  We don't agree with Trotskyists or Maoists, or the old Soviet
modelŠ We believe in Lenin and we don't agree with the Trotskyists.
Our leader in Iraq is Rebwar Ahmed, and we have links with the Worker
Communist Party of Iran, founded by Mansoor Hekmat, who died of 
cancer
two years ago Š

BW: Forgive my ignorance. Is there a relation between the Worker
Communist Party of Iran and the Tudeh, the traditional communist 
party
in Iran?

SN:  No, no, the Worker Communist Party of Iran is a new party, built
after 1991. Before that, there was the Communist Party of Iran,
established in 1980. But Tudeh is the old party that was linked to 
the
Soviet UnionŠ But this party is not, it's different, ideologically 
and
everythingŠ

BW:  Gotcha. Thanks for the correction. So, do you want to say a
little bit about your personal stories?  Where each of you come from,
and how you wound up in Toronto, and what your experiences were along
the way? You were born in Iraq?

SN:  I was born in Iraq, in Kirkuk, the old city.  Yeah.

BW:  And when did you leave? If you don't mind talking about it
publicly...

SN:  I was in Kirkuk most of my youth, I was a medical student, but 
in
1983, I was forced to leave because of my political activity. I was
mostly in Erbil, with a fake identity. I came to Toronto in 1998.

BW:  And Khayal?

KI:  I'm from Kurdistan, from the city of Dahuk.  I left Iraq in 
1995.
 And that was also because of political activities, especially with
women's activism. When I was in university, I found that the whole
society was going backward, and women were losing their freedom, and
we were getting killed, we were getting stoned in honor killings, a
big difference opened between brothers and sisters, a big difference
between men and women, and the whole society was against women.

BW:  What era are you referring to?

KI:  I'm talking about when I was in university, from 1991 to 1993.

BW:  In Kurdistan?

KI:  In Kurdistan in the city of Dahuk. After the first US war in 
Iraq
in 1991, Saddam Hussein lost his authority in Kurdistan, and the two
Kurdish political parties came to power--first they fought each 
other,
and then they started the honor killings. Nobody in Canada can 
believe
it, they say, "OK, where are the rules, where is the government, 
where
is the court?" The whole society was going back.  So we had to fight
that. And our lives were in danger.  A friend of ours was killed, and
then me and my husband received threats, and we had to leave. We 
moved
to Turkey and we applied to the United Nations from there and we
landed as immigrants in Toronto.

BW:  Who was in power in Dahuk at this point? This was one of the
Kurdish parties?

KI:  Yes, the KDP. But both [KDP leader] Masood Bazani and [PKK
leader] Jalal al-Talabani, they only build their own political
movement, they did not pay any attention to poverty, women's issues,
education. I remember when we were children, girls and boys used to 
go
to school just the same, there was no idea of "OK, the girl has to
stay home." But after these two parties came to power, about seventy
percent of the girls stayed out of school, they couldn't continue
their education.

BW:  So things actually got worse after the KDP came to power?

KI:  A lot worse! Girls just five years old, had to be hijab-ed, had
to wear the veil, that was compulsory, she has no right to say noŠ 
She
is stopped from going to school but her brother, it's OK he can go to
school. It was a very big retreat for women.

BW:  OK, but that did begin to turn around in Kurdistan in subsequent
years, right?

KI:  Yes it did. But at first there was not much difference between
Saddam and the Kurdish parties, because the political Islamic
movements had their nets are all over. They would tell the workers,
"Come and take some bread and rice, but you have to bring your young
daughter, and she has to memorize verses from the Koran, and she has
to wear a veil." They started to brainwash, especially the young
teenagers, they try to make them rule at home, "Your mother is not
allowed to do that, your sister is not allowed to do thatŠ"

BW: These groups were able to maintain their activities openly? Both
in Kurdistan and Saddam's Iraq?

KI:  Very openly, yes. Later they were put down by the KDP and PUK.
But the nationalists and Islamists--they have no better future for 
the
Iraqi people.

BW:  But let's say, two years ago, when Saddam was still in
power--things were better for women in the part of Iraq that Saddam
controlled?  Or better in Kurdistan?

KI:  In Kurdistan it was better, because of the movements, especially
the radical movements. The Worker Communist Party was a very big help
for us. And Saddam was not there, so we had more chance to talk
freely, even if the KDP and PUK also killed many of our friends and
closed our offices. But, overall, the Kurdistan radical movements had
more freedom. Saddam's society was completely closed, he was the
dictator, and there was no tolerance under his power. Otherwise, 
their
ideas were the same.

BW:  Arab nationalism versus Kurdish nationalism?

KI:  Yes. When Article 111 was passed, instating Shari'a law, 
hundreds
of women were hanged in southern Iraq--like 200 in about a week.
Mostly they were accused of being prostitutes. I have a friend who 
was
in Baghdad then--she stepped out of her house and she saw her
neighbor's body on one side of the street, and her head on the other
side of the street Š

BW:  And this was done by who? This was carried out byŠ

KI:  By Ba'ath regime.

SN:  Saddam's Fedayeen. He beheaded more than 200 women in Mosul and
Baghdad especially. Sometimes they allowed the brother or father or
husband to kill, the do the honor killing. They could kill any woman
in the family without punishment.

BW:  OK, so the measure which was just now before the Governing
Council would have made things even worse?

KI:  The Governing Council is a lot worse--instead of having one
Saddam Hussein we have about 25 Saddam Husseins with a much more
restrictive Islamic political program. And every day there is a
bombing in Iraq, by some kind of reactionary movement trying to 
impose
the same Islamic ruleŠ

BW:  How would the Governing Council's proposed Article 137 have
differed from 111, the one from the Saddam era? More stringent?

KI:  It is completely different. Under this one, women will have no
right to take their children in separation, no custody rights, and no
right to say who I will marry or to get divorced. Girls just 12 years
old can be married against their will with an older man, with no 
right
to say no--her brother or father can say, "you are going to marry."
She has no right to education, she has to wear the veil, she is not
allowed to leave the country, she has no civil rights, no human
rights. She has none.

BW:  But this was defeated? How was 137 defeated?

KI:  It was defeated by OWFI. That's the main thing--there was a
demonstration, thousands of women in the street.  They could no 
impose
it, we say it's impossible in a  country like Iraq. It is a modern
country, it is not Islamic, it has many religionsŠ And people in Iraq
are educated, we have many professionals. It is impossible to impose 
a
reactionary resolution like 137.

SN:  The first day this resolution came out, there were 85
organizations--not only OWFI but 85 other organizations, women's and
other civil organizations--they all came out and said no to this
resolution. See, the Iraqi people are a secular people, I do not 
agree
with anyone who says the Iraqi people are religious, this is an
Islamic country! I don't agree with that, this country is secular, a
good percent of women go to the university, many of our writers are
women. And now, Resolution 137 would mean stoning, cutting off handsŠ

BW:  But after your protests, the Governing Council voted it down?

SN:  Yeah.  They defeated it, five to fifteen.

KI:  But they defeated it under the pressure of the movements, the
women's movements.

BW:  Are there women in the council now? There are a couple, right?

SN:  I think three, but those women in the council, they wear a veil,
they are not radical Š

KI:  They don't speak for us.

SN:  Really, women's activists are not in the council, they're not
represented there.

BW:  I think the most important question for our listeners is, what 
is
your positive vision of Iraq's future?  Everybody wants the US out,
even George Bush is saying at this point he wants the US out--but 
what
happens after that? You oppose the occupation, but how do we get from
here to there? What are the circumstances under which the US can 
leave
without fundamentalists coming to power, or civil warŠ

SN:  First, before the war started, we said this is the dark 
scenario.
Right now it has become darker. Everyone can see--explosions on the
street, kidnappings, especially of women--gangs take women and kids,
in Baghdad, and sell them in Arabia, in Jordan... All this has never
happened in Iraq.

BW:  Women are being abducted from Iraq and sold in neighboring
countries? As prostitutes? As slaves? As what?

SN:  We don't know have the exact picture, but women can't walk in 
the
street without guards, without a brother or husband. This is the
situation. A very dark situation. This is what happened because of 
the
occupation. This occupation brought all the forces of political Islam
back. They opened the door for all the kinds of political Islam, from
Saudi Arabia, from Pakistan, from Iran--they are sending weapons and
money. If the occupation forces leave, the people of Iraq can decide
what they want to do. But right now they have no choice, the choice 
is
in the US forces' hands, the occupation forces. Really, we want them
to leave, and we know what we have to do. The Iraqi people want a
secular state. We want separation of religion and state.

BW:  I would like to believe that, and you know I have not been in 
you
country, but just looking at the media coverage here, even most of 
the
opposition to the occupation, the big rallies we've seen, have been
organized by Shi'ite groups and Sunni fundamentalistsŠ

SN:  No, no, the Shiites are in with the council, they are with the
occupation forces. Who says they are opposed?

BW: Well, not all of them. There's the Sadr group which is opposed,
right?

SN:  Most of the Shi'ite groups are in the council.

BW:  OK, so how is some kind of democratic secular state going to be
established in Iraq after the US pulls out? How do you envision this
happening?  Who can we concretely loan solidarity to here in New York
City and the US?

SN:  We believe there is a strong movement--the women's movement,
labor movement, the radical leftist and communist movements, the
democratic movements--they can establish a secular country in Iraq. A
lot of people! The majority of people in Iraq, they want a secular
country. They don't want a religious or ethnic state. They do not 
want
that.

BW:  And you feel the US occupation is collaborating with the
fundamentalist elements?

SN: I don't use this word "fundamentalism," I use "political Islam." 
I
don't divide political Islam into good and bad--I think all of them
have the same idea, the same goal. The US doesn't like bin Laden, so
they go with Sistani, they sit down with him and they give him power,
they give his people a council seat and everything, just like the US
supported political Islam in Afghanistan, in Pakistan. They say "this
is fundamentalism," "this is terrorism," this is good, this is bad. I
don't know, there is no good and no bad with political Islam--there 
is
just political Islam, they all want Shari'a, they want  an Islamic
republic like Iran, like Pakistan, like Saudi Arabia. And everyone
knows that means stoning, that means cutting off hands, that means no
freedom of expression, no freedom of speech, no freedom to publish...

BW:  It's also being portrayed that the only resistance to the US
occupation is coming from the al-Qaeda types, or else the Ba'athists.
So where is the resistance that we can actually support?

SN:  I told you! There is a movement with the people's support. You
can support OWFI, you can help see that Yanar Mohammed is not
threatenedŠ Now she is under threat every day. You can support this
movement. You can't change the situation in Iraq in one day or two
days. This is a process. Because the US came and toppled a government
in Iraq, and every militia has become a local power. No one has the
power! This is the dark scenario that US has brought to Iraq. They
brought it by their hands, and they have to leave and the people will
decide what they do. We know what to do! We are Iraqi, we have our
movement, we know how we change the situation to the better.

KI:  To make sure the country survives, the United Nations forces can
stay, just to make places safe until a whole government is elected Š

BW:  They also blew up the United Nations headquarters!

KI: That is right, but that is all because of presence of US. If the
US is out, they may keep bombing--because political Islam make no
distinction between a child or a soldier. They bomb everywhere. 
Didn't
they bomb the Twin Towers? There was no George Bush or government
target there, and they killed all people like me and you sitting in
the office doing their workŠ But if the US leaves, it will be a
struggle between the civil people and political Islam, and they will
lose, I'm sure! They will lose.

BW: Political Islam? Will lose?

KI:  They will lose their power. They can't stay long. The whole 
world
is changing, and they cannot accept it.

BW:  What is the organizational force which is going to effectively
oppose them? You've mentioned your two organizations, but do the
Worker Communist Party of Iraq and OWFI really have the 
organizational
capacity to take on Sistani, and al-Qaeda, and so on?

KI:  Well, we're not saying it's easy. Women in US didn't get their
freedom--and I know it's not over yet--but they didn't get it in just
a matter of days, they struggled years and years and the society
changed, the law became better and better, and that's our goal. It
doesn't matter how long it takes--we have to do our best to become
like the US and all the other countries where women are equal. And
even here, I don't agree that women are completely equal to men...

BW:  Things are going backwards in some respects.

KI:  Exactly. That's why we need to support each otherŠ We believe
women's rights are universal. Like humans rights are supposed to be
universal. And we say we have to support each other to build a better
world. I came to Canada and US because there is some kind of human
rights here. And that is why I go back home to fight for the same,
even if it's not easy.

BW:  How can people get in touch with OWFI? Are you on the web?

KI: Yes, we have a website, and many newsletters in English and
Arabic, and Farsi, also.

BW:  Great.  And the Worker Communist Party, how can people contact
you?

SN:  Also, we have a website.

BW: Great. So everybody, please join us tomorrow at Federal Plaza at
noon. I want to thank you so much for joining us! Khayal Ibrahim of
the Organization of Women's Freedom in Iraq and Samir Nori of Worker
Communist Party of Iraq. So glad you could make it!

KI, SN: Thank you, thank you.

BW: And why don't we go out with some more of Les Makams des
Baghdad...

---------------------

OWFI: www.EqualityinIraq.com

Worker Communist Party of Iraq: http://www.wpiraq.org

Transcription: Sarah Falkner

Special to WORLD WAR 3 REPORT, May 1, 2004
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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 17:35:00 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:35:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] Re: /55\(no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1F413658-A4CF-11D8-AD69-000A9591F2F4@musgrave.org>
References: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974@www.god-emil.dk>
 <1F413658-A4CF-11D8-AD69-000A9591F2F4@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405131133550.21850@panix3.panix.com>



just about everyone is a mother fucker. you are too. and it's this
simplistic sort of analysis that results in violence in the first
place. dehumanize the enemy blah blah blah.


>
> On May 13, 2004, at 1:24 AM, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
>
> > very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS
>
>

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 13 17:27:37 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:27:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405131527.i4DFRbV75398@www.god-emil.dk>




From e at various-euro.com  Thu May 13 19:00:40 2004
From: e at various-euro.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=80?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:00:40 +0200
Subject: erasing 2004
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040513185946.04213c40@pop.1und1.com>


!!!!!longterm project!!!!
!!!!!ERASING!!!!! may-octobar 2004.
!!!!!everything what can be possible!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
international culture centar, belgrade, serbia
friday 14. may 20:00h
terazije 26
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marica radojcic, misa savic, ben edelberg, vladan jeremic, biljana!!!! 
klaric, rena rädle, katarina milojevic, nenad jeremic, dragana !!!!!!! 
markovic, aleksandra jovanic, irene de craen, selena savic !!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 13 18:48:49 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:48:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405131648.i4DGmn375519@www.god-emil.dk>



From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>



>just about everyone is a mother fucker. you are too. and it's this
>simplistic sort of analysis that results in violence in the first
>place. dehumanize the enemy blah blah blah.


why the enemy [unconscious] MOTHER FUCKER +?





>> On May 13, 2004, at 1:24 AM, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
>>
>> > very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS
>>
>

>
>Too simple.


Prove it.


>On May 13, 2004, at 1:24 AM, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
>
>> very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS








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From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:18:03 +0200
Subject: once upon a time
Message-ID: <DF99F566-A509-11D8-8BF3-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OneTimeWebServer



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From e at various-euro.com  Thu May 13 20:47:58 2004
From: e at various-euro.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=80?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:47:58 +0200
Subject: erasing 2004 + 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040513204630.04273c80@pop.1und1.com>



!!!!!longterm project!!!!
!!!!!ERASING!!!!! may-octobar 2004.
!!!!!everything what can be possible!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
international culture centar, belgrade, serbia
friday 14. may 20:00h
terazije 26
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marica radojcic, misa savic, ben edelberg, vladan jeremic, biljana!!!! 
klaric, rena rädle, katarina milojevic, nenad jeremic, dragana !!!!!!! 
markovic, aleksandra jovanic, irene de craen, selena savic!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!displaced dilemma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 21:34:24 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:34:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <200405131648.i4DGmn375519@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405131648.i4DGmn375519@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405131533260.1946@panix1.panix.com>


On Thu, 13 May 2004 integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

> >Too simple.
>
>
> Prove it.
>
>
Well, I didn't write the 'too simple' but you know - as well as I do -
that you can't prove ideological statements like this, any more than I can
'prove' I'm not a kike.

- Alan


From alainbieber at yahoo.de  Thu May 13 20:05:17 2004
From: alainbieber at yahoo.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?alain=20bieber=20I=20rebel:art?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:05:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ## REBEL:ART NEWS May02 ##
Message-ID: <20040513180517.28884.qmail@web25204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

** please post your news also to the rebel:art
mailinglist for art and activism:
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# FILM: “THE MERCHANTS OF COOL” 

See the great documentary of Douglas Rushkoff (Media
Virus) online:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/view/


# OPEN CALL: MEMEFEST 2004
 
Time’s a-wasting! The May 20th deadline for Memefest
2004 is fast approaching. Entry is free and easy. And
you can submit your work through our online form :
http://memefest.org/en/index.php?meme=competition&submeme=submit_your_work
Just signup for a free user name and login through our
website. There's no time to waste. Submit now...
Submit often... (You can enter as many different
projects as you wish.) Students of visual arts,
design, communications and sociology should go to the
Memefest website for competition details
(http://www.memefest.org). While artists and 
activists with a desire to explore modes of
communication that fall outside the market
paradigm should check out the Beyond... category at
http://beyond.memefest.org. (Remember: non-students
can enter the Beyond...category.) If you have any
questions, be sure to contact us at
memefest at memefest.org. Hurry... Subvert. Create.
Enjoy.


# OPEN CALL: CAMP FOR OPPOSITIONAL ARCHITECTURE 

http://www.anarchitektur.com
>From June 25th till 27th 2004, the political
architectural journal An Architektur organizes the
"Camp for Oppositional Architecture" in Berlin. This
international, open congress is searching for
possibilities of resistance within the field of
architecture and planning. An Architektur invites
theorists, offices, initiatives and other groups
active within these fields to present and develop
their positions together. How could politically
relevant work on the basis of planning and
architecture or with the means of their critique look
like today? How to criticize the demands of a
capitalist production of space? How to take 
a non-affirmative part within this powerful
contiguity? To participate in the internal part please
send a paper* explaining your own work and it’s
objectives as well as your interest in the Camp. The
Camp is free of charge. All participants will have
free board and the possibility of accommodations
in the Camp Space.


# CHAMP LIBRE: EAUX ARTES ÉLECTRONIQUES 

http://www.champlibre.com/eaux/
Inspired by UNESCO's International Year of Freshwater
2003, EAUX ARTES ÉLECTRONIQUES ! is a five-day event
that flows from May 19-23 and explores the
relationship between water and architecture in a city
that is itself island-based. Through a series of slide
shows broadcast in situ, the walls will ripple with
the works of four Montreal photographic artists --
Thomas Béhuret, Natalie Gadoua, Brigitte Henri and
John Londoño -- and for one night multimedia artist
Yan Breuleux will transform the station into a 
blue room. 


# RE-LOCATION ON TOUR 

http://www.re-location.org
Taking into account our changing view of Europe in
geographical, political, social and cultural terms,
the Re:Location 1-7 / Shake project took the form of a
work in progress, intended to last three years seeking
to experiment novel ways of working together among
partners operating in very different circumstances.
The challenge involved bringing art centres from eight
countries to work together on 
a joint project, not by imposing any single
standpoint, but rather enriching these different
artistic circumstances by confronting them 
with each other's specific situations. 


# OPEN CALL: IMPAKT 2004 : TRANSLATION 

http://www.impakt.nl/
The Impakt foundation invites to artists to send
proposals for their online art project Impakt Online.
Impakt would like to show six projects by artists who
use the Internet as medium as a starting point 
for their work (net. art). Please send in your
proposal by email to: online at impakt.nl


EVENTS (LIVERPOOL, WIEN, TÜBINGEN) 

LIVERPOOL 

# FACT: MEETING OF SITUATIONIST SIM CITY

28/05 2.30 PM, FACT, 88 Wood St., Liverpool, UK
Booking & information: thorn at fact.co.uk
With : JULIAN DIBBELL (Wired), NATALIE BOOKCHIN
(agoraXchange), ED HALTER (Village Voice), JELENA
KLASNJA, KRISTIAN LUKIC The similarities between the
'physical' and the 'virtual' in online 
Gaming worlds have inspired the imaginations of
artists, writers, and the Hollywood hive mind. Yet
these parallels are by no means accidental the 
creators of these gaming worlds made conscious, often
scholarly efforts to design systems that effectively
emulate real-world society. At the same time, the most
complex games allow users the free will to shape their
online societies in their own image. The complexities
of our society, politics, and
economy have been mapped onto virtual worlds by both
creators and participants. Any questions we ask of
these worlds, we ask of our own.

WIEN 

# BASIS WIEN: GHEORGHE & BREAKFAST  

http://www.basis-wien.at/
18/05 18 Uhr (MZ, AzW Hof) Vortrag: Cãtãlin Gheorghe
*A context under construction.” Art in Romania*
19/05 14-18 (Kunsthalle Wien) basis wien als
Gastgeberin bei permanent breakfast:
(http://www.permanentbreakfast.org) 

TÜBINGEN

# ZATOPEK: YOMANGO & POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
http://www.immerdienstags
18/05, 20.30h: "Political Correctness" und die Künste.
Über das lange Leben eines reaktionären Kampfbegriffs.
Von und mit Thomas Rothschild
25/05, 20.30h: YOMANGO oder die freie Zirkulation von
Wissen, Gütern und Bedürfnissen Eine
Theorie-Praxis-Performance mit YOMANGO (Barcelona)


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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 14 00:50:34 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:50:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: when and where of when of it
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405131850250.2401@panix1.panix.com>




when and where of when of it


20:44, when 1:43 when 0 when 2days when 26:27 when 0 when 0 when 3:12 when
0 when 0 when 0 when 14:10 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 26:27 when 0 when 0
when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 20:46 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when
0 when 3:12 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 3:12 when 14:10 when 0 when 14:10
when 1day when 10:58 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 14 where when
0 when 3:12 when 3:12 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 5days when 0 when 0
when 0 when 0 when 6days when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 5
when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 14:10 0 when 0 when 0 when 3:12 when 1day
when 18:05 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 22:12 when 18:05 when 0 when 0
when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 18 where when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when
0 18:05 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 18:05 when 0 when 0 when 19:11
when 0 when 0 p0 where p1 p2 where p3 p4 where p5 p6 where p7 p8 where p9
pa where pb pc where pe pf where pg ph where pi pj pk where pl pm where pn
po where pp pq where pr ps where pt pu where pv q1 where q2 q3 where q4 q5
where q6 q7 where q8 q9 where qa qb where qd qe qf where qg qh where qi qj
where qk qm where qn qo where qp qq where qr qs where qt qv where r0 r1
where r2 r3 where r4 r5 where r6 r7 where r8 r9 ra where rb rc where rd re
where rf rh where ri rj where rl rm where rn ro where rp rq where rr rs
where rt ru where s0 s3 where s4 s5 where s6 s7 s8 where s9 sa where sb sg
where sr su where t2 ft where ft days, when 6:01AM 6:23AM Thu09PM Wed12AM
when 10:48AM when 8:32AM Wed04AM when 10:30AM when 10:44AM when 7:39AM
Wed06PM Wed01PM when 11:40AM when 10:49AM Wed12AM when 11:22AM when
11:42AM when 11:44AM when 11:12AM Thu03PM when 10:21AM when 9:20AM Fri03PM
when 10:19AM Wed07PM when 10:25AM when 9:07AM when 10:25AM 12:51AM when
10:01AM Thu03PM when 11:46AM Tue07PM Wed07PM Thu03PM Wed06PM Sun01PM
Wed06PM when 10:20AM when 10:03AM Fri08AM when 11:02AM Thu03PM when
10:01AM when 10:31AM Wed10PM Tue11PM Wed09AM when 10:16AM when 10:11AM
when 8:31AM Thu08PM when 8:51AM when 10:02AM when 11:22AM 10:44AM Thu04PM
when 8:34AM when 10:24AM when 9:15AM when 10:24AM when 9:02AM when 11:26AM
when 11:00AM 9:37AM when 9:04AM when 10:34AM when 11:25AM Fri02PM when
10:25AM when 9:42AM when 9:43AM Tue08PM Tue12PM Wed05PM when 10:18AM when
11:06AM when 10:47AM when 9:49AM Swhen08PM Wed05PM when 10:57AM Wed10AM
when 11:07AM when 11:29AM when 11:11AM when 10:59AM when 11:12AM when
11:14AM Tue04PM when 11:18AM Wed11AM when 11:26AM Tue01PM when 11:26AM
when 11:29AM when 11:33AM when 11:34AM Wed05PM Tue03PM Wed01PM Wed02PM
when 11:33AM


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From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 14 01:00:56 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:00:56 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] erasing 2004 + 
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040513204630.04273c80@pop.1und1.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040513204630.04273c80@pop.1und1.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040514005954.01f5bf20@pop.free.fr>

At 20:47 13/05/2004, you wrote:


>!!!!!longterm project!!!!
>!!!!!ERASING!!!!! may-octobar 2004.

octobar he smoke cigar!!!!

f. 



From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 14 01:04:07 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:04:07 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ## REBEL:ART NEWS May02 ##
In-Reply-To: <20040513180517.28884.qmail@web25204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20040513180517.28884.qmail@web25204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040514010246.01f61ea8@pop.free.fr>

At 20:05 13/05/2004, alain bieber I rebel:art wrote:
>** please post your news also to the rebel:art
>mailinglist for art and activism:

gawd, did we really need one more of those ?

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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 14 01:23:19 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: on the other hand from Al-Jazeera (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405131923050.8087@panix3.panix.com>




Bloggers doubt Berg execution video
By Lawrence Smallman

Friday 14 May 2004, 0:08 Makka Time, 21:08 GMT

Was this really Nick Berg's last moment or was he killed earlier?
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Revolting millions around the world, the video footage of an American
citizen's execution has also raised numerous questions concerning its
authenticity.

Even at first glance, internet bloggers were asking on Thursday why Nick
Berg was wearing an orange jumpsuit  just like US prisoners wear.

Other net surfers point to the unlikely timing of the executioner's dubbed
announcement that Berg was to die for "Iraqi prisoner abuse".

Berg was last seen alive on 10 April, when his father Michael Berg
believes he was killed - two weeks before the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse
scandal broke in the world's media.

Some discussions focus on the timing of the video's release - guaranteed
to divert attention from the outrage over US abuse of Iraqis.

Video oddities

There are plenty of questions raised concerning the video too. The body is
completely motionless even as the knife is brought to bear  not so much as
an instinctive wriggle.

More graphically, some claim that cutting the throat's artery would cause
a significant amount of blood to gush out. But little emerges and when the
head was raised  not a drop of blood is seen to fall.

"That's really what cost my son his life, the fact that the United States
government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of his
due process(es) or civil rights"

Michael Berg,
victim's father
In a possible explanation, one discussion room member suggested that Berg
was killed and then beheaded later.

However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A
Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami
website as the source for the video  at www.al-ansar.biz.

Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net looked at the site
within 90 minutes of the story breaking  and could find no such video
footage.

But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from
the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour.

Days before death

Other questions presented by bloggers are Berg's peculiar circumstances in
the weeks before his death. Why would a private Jewish American citizen
choose to wander around Iraq by himself?

Additionally, some have pointed out that his last email on 6 April to his
family stated he wished to return home as soon as possible  yet the FBI
claims he refused an offer of help to get home.

Some claim the face in the video
looks remarkably unlike Berg's
In the wider press, FBI involvement has also generated much discussion as
to why Berg was really arrested and detained for two weeks in Mosul.

The unemployed visitor was suspicious enough for Iraqi police to arrest
him  with FBI knowledge.

He had only just been released from prison where he had been held for 13
days by Iraqi police for reasons he said he did not know.

Family blames government

A US newspaper claims an official familiar with the case knew that FBI
agents had interrogated Berg, but had left him for two weeks because he
was in Iraqi - not American - custody.

Father Michael Berg has blamed
US forces for his son's death

But the official was unable to clarify the legal difference between the
two, given the US occupation.

On 5 April, Berg's family filed a suit in federal court in Philadelphia -
contending that their son was being held illegally by the US military in
Iraq. The next day, he was released and left to get himself home.

The last time the family heard from him was on 9 April. His headless body
was found near Mosul on 8 May.

"That's really what cost my son his life, the fact that the United States
government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of his
due process or civil rights," Michael Berg said.

Final question

Some bloggers focused on the accent of the purported executioner. Many
deny the accent is either Iraqi or Jordanian - while claims the voice is
Egyptian or Iranian have been made.

The Jordanian accused of the beheading Berg is himself believed to have
been killed in March, according to two Islamist groups.

An eight-page leaflet circulated this week in Falluja said Abu Musab
al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniya mountains of northern Iraq during
a US bombing.

But even if it were the Jordanian, one discussion room member observes his
face is so well-known that "why would he bother to cover it?"
Aljazeera

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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 14 05:37:58 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:37:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 2400 g
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405132337500.27648@panix1.panix.com>



2400 g

tremendous waves fluxed on streetcorner

http://www.asondheim.org/node5.mp3

heading out to starnoise

thus goes another event

disappearance is permanency


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From eric.m at bobig.com  Fri May 14 07:47:29 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:47:29 +0200
Subject: ...
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http://www.bobig.com/photoblog/archives/002072.html



From info at realtokyo.co.jp  Fri May 14 06:26:01 2004
From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:26:01 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 179
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[This Week's Index]

(1) Out of Tokyo Vol. 087
In-between
by Ozaki Tetsuya

(2) Event Pick of the Week
Noguchi Rika: I Dreamt Of Flying
by Naomi



This week's RT Picks:

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Vol. 087: In-between
by Ozaki Tetsuya

I'm writing this time from Seoul, where I was invited to attend
the art conference "In-between". The event was organized by Suh
Jin-Suk, the Korean curator of the Chinese-Korean-Japanese
collaboration exhibition "Out the Window" that was held earlier
this year at The Japan Foundation Forum in Akasaka, Tokyo,
together with his colleague, Yun Cheagab. Among the participants
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but also from Canada, France, New Zealand, Australia, or the USA.
Over three full days a number of presentations and discussions
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but return to my hotel and write this manuscript.
Read more at:

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Noguchi Rika: I Dreamt Of Flying

"Seeing Birds", "A Feeling of Something Happening"... Noguchi
Rika always chooses great titles that are at once linked with
and antagonistic to the respective works, and the photographs'
overwhelming power stirs up the viewer's poetic imagination.
Shown in Noguchi's first major solo exhibition in the capital
region is a selection of her previous work, along with some new
pictures she took of handmade rockets and ruins on the ocean
floor off Yonaguni island. In such images she creates dynamic
encounters with nature, looking up to the sky or diving the
Okinawan sea. Since Noguchi Rika is a photographer who puts her
displays together with great care, I recommend you watch this
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From lars.midboe at electrohype.org  Fri May 14 12:58:44 2004
From: lars.midboe at electrohype.org (lars.midboe at electrohype.org)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:58:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Call for entries Electrohype 2004
Message-ID: sympa.1084532031.125.5@anart.no

Call for entries Electrohype 2004 - the third Nordic biennial for computer-based art.

Deadline May 31st 2004.

Electrohype is pleased to announce this call for entries for the exhibition that will be a follow up to two previous exhibitions Electrohype 2000 and 2002. The upcoming exhibition will be a large scale and broad presentation of computer based and high tech art.

The exhibition Electrohype 2004 will be held at Malmo Konsthall, one of the most beautiful exhibition spaces for art in Scandinavia. The exhibition will be presented for eight weeks on 1700 square meters (13 000 square feet). This gives us a unique opportunity to compile a spacious exhibition that gives all works and installations good conditions.

Our goal is to present an exhibition consisting of 15 - 20 works of art. The concept of the Electrohype biennial is that it shall be a Nordic exhibition but this does not exclude works by artists from outside the Nordic region. To give the exhibition a broad perspective we are usually working with a 60/40 model, 60 percent from the Nordic region and 40 percent from the rest of the world.

Given the opportunity to present an exhibition in this large scale in a space that reaches a large audience (235 000 visitors annually) we have decided to choose the theme PERSPECTIVE for this exhibition. This means that we will not only include newly produced works but also look for artwork that draws a historical line for a rather young art genre.

Important dates
Deadline for this call for entries may 31st, 2004
Exhibition opening November 27th 2004
Exhibition closing January 23rd 2005

What kind of art are we looking for?
Electrohype has since the start in 1999 focused on what we choose to call computer based art. Art that runs of computers and utilizes the capacity of the computer to mix various media, allow interaction with the audience, or machines interacting with each others etc. in other words art that can not be transferred to "traditional" linear media. This might seem as a narrow approach but we have discovered that it gives us a better focus on a genre that in no way is narrow.

We are not looking for "straight" video art (even if it is edited on a computer) or still images rendered on computers and other material that refers to more "traditional" media forms. Forms were the traditional tools have been replaced with computers and software.

Practical
An online application form and a PDF form can be found on our website:
http://www.electrohype.org/2004/entrieinfo02.html

NOTE: Please do NOT send documentation material as attachments to e-mail and do NOT send 8 pages CVs. Put your material online and send us the url or ftp address or send us a CD in the mail. Please read the form and follow the guidelines. We receive a large amount of proposals and all of them are reviewed closely. To be able to do this we ask you to follow this structure. 

Financial
We are still working on the fundraising for the exhibition. We will hopefully have final numbers sometime during this summer. We will have to adjust the final selection of works for exhibition according to the financial situation. This is unfortunate but it is also necessary, art is beautiful but financial reality is harsh.

We will encourage everyone submitting material to look for possibilities for local funding to help cover costs for transport, travel and rent of technical equipment.

In previous exhibitions we have managed to keep a high level both in artistic content and exhibition design, even on a modest budget. It is therefore very important for us to avoid unpleasant surprises, so please keep this in mind when filling out the various posts in the form, especially when it comes to technical requirements, transport weight etc.

We are looking forward to see new and interesting works of art.

Best regards from the Electrohype team.

Anna Kindvall and Lars Gustav Midboe


From lars.midboe at electrohype.org  Fri May 14 13:02:03 2004
From: lars.midboe at electrohype.org (Lars Gustav Midboe)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:02:03 +0200
Subject: Call for entries Electrohype 2004
Message-ID: <p05010401bcca572ba596@[195.17.40.85]>

Call for entries Electrohype 2004 - the third Nordic biennial for 
computer-based art.

Deadline May 31st 2004.

Electrohype is pleased to announce this call for entries for the 
exhibition that will be a follow up to two previous exhibitions 
Electrohype 2000 and 2002. The upcoming exhibition will be a large 
scale and broad presentation of computer based and high tech art.

The exhibition Electrohype 2004 will be held at Malmo Konsthall, one 
of the most beautiful exhibition spaces for art in Scandinavia. The 
exhibition will be presented for eight weeks on 1700 square meters 
(13 000 square feet). This gives us a unique opportunity to compile a 
spacious exhibition that gives all works and installations good 
conditions.

Our goal is to present an exhibition consisting of 15 - 20 works of 
art. The concept of the Electrohype biennial is that it shall be a 
Nordic exhibition but this does not exclude works by artists from 
outside the Nordic region. To give the exhibition a broad perspective 
we are usually working with a 60/40 model, 60 percent from the Nordic 
region and 40 percent from the rest of the world.

Given the opportunity to present an exhibition in this large scale in 
a space that reaches a large audience (235 000 visitors annually) we 
have decided to choose the theme PERSPECTIVE for this exhibition. 
This means that we will not only include newly produced works but 
also look for artwork that draws a historical line for a rather young 
art genre.

Important dates
Deadline for this call for entries may 31st, 2004
Exhibition opening November 27th 2004
Exhibition closing January 23rd 2005

What kind of art are we looking for?
Electrohype has since the start in 1999 focused on what we choose to 
call computer based art. Art that runs of computers and utilizes the 
capacity of the computer to mix various media, allow interaction with 
the audience, or machines interacting with each others etc. in other 
words art that can not be transferred to "traditional" linear media. 
This might seem as a narrow approach but we have discovered that it 
gives us a better focus on a genre that in no way is narrow.

We are not looking for "straight" video art (even if it is edited on 
a computer) or still images rendered on computers and other material 
that refers to more "traditional" media forms. Forms were the 
traditional tools have been replaced with computers and software.

Practical
An online application form and a PDF form can be found on our website:
http://www.electrohype.org/2004/entrieinfo02.html

NOTE: Please do NOT send documentation material as attachments to 
e-mail and do NOT send 8 pages CVs. Put your material online and send 
us the url or ftp address or send us a CD in the mail. Please read 
the form and follow the guidelines. We receive a large amount of 
proposals and all of them are reviewed closely. To be able to do this 
we ask you to follow this structure. 

Financial
We are still working on the fundraising for the exhibition. We will 
hopefully have final numbers sometime during this summer. We will 
have to adjust the final selection of works for exhibition according 
to the financial situation. This is unfortunate but it is also 
necessary, art is beautiful but financial reality is harsh.

We will encourage everyone submitting material to look for 
possibilities for local funding to help cover costs for transport, 
travel and rent of technical equipment.

In previous exhibitions we have managed to keep a high level both in 
artistic content and exhibition design, even on a modest budget. It 
is therefore very important for us to avoid unpleasant surprises, so 
please keep this in mind when filling out the various posts in the 
form, especially when it comes to technical requirements, transport 
weight etc.

We are looking forward to see new and interesting works of art.

Best regards from the Electrohype team.

Anna Kindvall and Lars Gustav Midboe
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From: benjamin_lists at typedown.com (Benjamin Fischer)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:20:11 +0200
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English version see below

Filmgalerie 451 und Wand 5 e.V. praesentieren

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
EXPERIMENT ERZAEHLUNG - X-PILATION 3
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kurzfilme von Mark-Steffen Goewecke, Oliver Husain, Ulrich Koehler, Eva Koennemann, Stanislaw Mucha, Jan Peters, Corinna Schnitt

Vorgefuehrt beim Stuttgarter Filmwinter und zusammengestellt von Giovanna Thiery und Ulrich Wegenast

Termin & Uhrzeit: 19. Mai, 21 Uhr Ort: TurmForum Stuttgart 21, Ebene 3, im Stuttgarter Bahnhofsturm

Nach der grossen Resonanz von X-Pilation 1 - deutscher Experimentalfilm der 80er und 90er Jahre - arbeiten die Filmgalerie 451 und Wand 5 erneut zusammen und veroeffentlichen eine DVD mit narrativen, experimentellen Kurzfilmen und -videos aus Deutschland.

Die aktuelle Kompilation umfasst preisgekuerte Kurzfilme, die sich auf unkonventionelle Art und Weise mit dem Thema "Erzaehlung" auseinandersetzen. Das filmische Spektrum reicht von persoenlichen Reflexionen ueber Oral History und Marienerscheinungen bis zu Campy Storytelling ueber Erfolg und Niedergang eines Popduos. Die Narrationsformen sind heterogen. Stehen Reduktion bei Corinna Schnitt und Ulrich Koehler im Vordergrund, schwelgen Oliver Husain und Jan Peters in Bildern und Worten. So vielfaeltig die Erzaehlstile sind, so vielfaeltig sind auch die Aesthetiken und Techniken: Waehrend Jan Peters seinen Diary Film auf Super 8 drehte und ungeschnitten aneinanderreiht, bestehen Schnitts und Koehlers Filme aus einer einzigen, praezise durchkomponierten Kamerafahrt. Oliver Husain kombiniert computergenerierte Kulissen mit Realfilm und kreiert ein besonders kuenstliches Ambiente. Eva Koennemann uebernimmt Computerbefehle, um eine Option filmischer Narration zu suggerieren: Love and Hate im digitalen Zeitalter. Stanislaw Mucha und Mark-Steffen Goewecke widmen sich mit besonderer Hingabe den Erzaehlenden...

Eva Koennemann: Null - Eins
1995-96, 9 Min., 16mm
(Preis der deutschen Filmkritik fuer Experimentalfilm 1996)

Corinna Schnitt: Das schlafende Maedchen
2001, 8:30 Min., 16mm
(Norman 2002 beim Stuttgarter Filmwinter)

Oliver Husain: Ron & Leo
1999, 12:47 Min., Beta SP
(Hessischer Filmpreis 1999)

Ulrich Koehler: Rakete
1998, 10 min, 16mm

Mark-Steffen Goewecke: L'hotel
1997, 12 Min., 16mm
(Preis der deutschen Filmkritik fuer Experimentalfilm 1997)

Jan Peters: Aber den Sinn des Lebens hab' ich immer noch nicht
rausgefunden
1996, 20 min, Super 8/16mm

Stanislaw Mucha: Ein Wunder
1998, 7 Min., Beta SP
(Norman 1999 beim Stuttgarter Filmwinter)

Ausserdem beinhaltet die DVD Zusatzmaterial der Regisseure sowie die Trailer des Stuttgarter Filmwinter 2000-2004.

Bei der Vorfuehrung sind mehrere Regisseure anwesend und Giovanna Th. veranstaltet ein spannendes Quiz! Getraenke kommen von Frau Schreck. Der Eintritt betraegt 5 Euro.

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The compilation includes award winning short films by Mark-Steffen Goewecke, Oliver Hussain, Ulrich Koehler, Eva Koennemann, Stanislaw Mucha, Jan Peters,and Corinna Schnitt. The programme ranges from oral history and personal reflections to campy story telling and religious visions. For further information please contact the Wand 5 office (wanda at wand5.de).

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18th Stuttgart Filmwinter - Festival for Expanded Media
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From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:17:54 -0400 (EDT)
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hidden characters/messages - left me feeling nightmarish; it combines
with memories of reading the medical cases in Nazi Germany, the tortures
in Israel, body parts in Gaza, prison torture images, and it doesn't help
that both men assassinated in Iraq were Jews; our army is Jewish, Jews
are everywhere and will bring the world down with them. I am included; I
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in kind or too vehemently to an attacker of the SMASH piece which I stand
behind. All of us have our horrors and horror-stories; the worst in fact
is the necessity of defense...
Today reading in the following:
The Electric Interurban Railways in America, Hilton and Due, Stanford -
well this is cheering; I remember such from Wilkes-Barre to Scranton when
I was very young - unfortunately, unlike, say, as in Japan, they didn't
last -
Writings on Art and Literature, Freud, Stanford as well and all the usual
suspects. From the period of the _understandable world._
Women's Writings 1778-1838, An Anthology, edited by Fiona Robertson -
this is in the Oxford World's Classics, and is wonderful - an amazing
period - Hemans is in it, Shelley as well -
Prophetic Writings of Eleanor Davies, Esther S. Cope, Oxford. A
17th-century prophet - there were apparently quite a few. Rushed writing
almost in a religious frenzy, quite wonderful.
And this - The Human Impact Reader, Readings and Case Studies, edited by
Andrew Goudie - really _can_ recommend this from 1997, Blackwell. We need
to be reminded of these concrete particulars - for example - Lowering of
a Shallow, Saline Water Table by Extensive Eucalypt Reforestation - these
things are serious although they appear perhaps minor, anecdotal - but in
fact, for example again, reforestation is a highly contested issue
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From ivo at reporters.net  Fri May 14 17:41:58 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:41:58 -0400
Subject: Maybe the future is in outsourcing?
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New commander of Abu Ghraib comes there from a Guantanamo Bay, which 
while being criticized by international human rights organizations 
for inhumane treatment of prisoners, at least, did not produce 
thousands of incriminating pictures and videos about it. I am sure he 
will make sure Abu Ghraib receives the same smooth guidance. First 
two things he did is to stop millitary intelligence unit from giving 
orders to military police unit, reinstating the normal army command 
procedure, and to move Iraqi detainees under American guard from the 
old - cursed - Abu Ghraib prison structure, and into the new 
provisory building the US is putting up there, out of superstition 
that the walls of Abu Ghraib, saturated with screams of decades of 
Saddam Hussein's victims who were tortured there, would somehow 
continue to corrupt hearts and minds of young Americans serving there 
into becoming the bestial torturers and take pictures of 
themselves... Event Horizon? Or maybe THIS is the secret Saddam's 
weapon of mass destruction? A virus hidden in the Abu Ghraib that 
makes people loose all empathy for the other human beings?

Meanwhile the foot-soldiers charged for wrongdoing are brought back 
to the show trial in the US. Americans can, indeed, do great court 
trials. So, we are in for some good TV. Already, Sivits, the one who 
was the quickest to make a deal with the government, is telling the 
government story: there were no orders, we did it because we were 
stupid, or whatever; I am guilty, and the others are (much) guiltier; 
now, please, let me go and put them in prison. He was just standing 
around and laughing. Frederick and OTHERS did the kicking, stomping, 
ordering detainees to strip and masturbate, and so on. Others have 
such improbable names like England and Wisdom (the later being 
obviously quite inappropriate for the bearer). He particularly 
dislikes one named Graner, whom he blamed for the heaviest of the 
abuses. Now, the viewers are anxious to hear what Graner has to say 
about that. This brings guaranteed high TV ratings to the station 
that will broadcast the trial. Good ad revenue. Because everything 
can and is turned into profit.

For the future, however, to avoid the emabarassment of watching your 
own boys and girls misbehaving in such a way, maybe Pentagon should 
outsource its prisons supervision to people with far more experience 
in humiliating Muslims...
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23706

ivo 


From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Fri May 14 18:56:04 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:56:04 +0200
Subject: vanity fair - well known and named  - to all performances (part 1)
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A cynicistic birthday...

Voici les deux interviewes de Wolfowitz, citées dans le mail précédent.
Edifiantes... je ne peux les traduire faute de temps ; mais je pense que
j'ai assez donné pour que des amis s'y mettent à leur tour afin de nous
renvoyer une version française ? Je pense qu'avant l'anniversaire du 6 juin,
cet anniversaire là, celui-ci de mai, à propos de l'Irak, est informant...

Allez, une traduction rapide avec un traducteur en ligne supervisée, de
sorte qu'on puisse l'envoyer sur les listes de diffusion francophones ?

A+ L.



PLease, have a look on that follows (from Vanity fair, may 2003) in the site
of US Defense! (Wolfowitz himself who has supervized Guatanamo system, was
in Abu Ghraib with General Janice Zarpinski, in July 2003 -photo in  Le
Monde)... and do not beleive the inverse reference which was the camps
(human pyramide. They have played with something which is a bad subject

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030509-depsecdef0223.html :

Quote:

Updated 29 May 2003
   United States Department of Defense.

Presenter: Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz Friday, May 9, 2003

Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Interview with Sam Tannenhaus, Vanity Fair




Q: What do you think all the conspiritorial talk is? Do you have any notion,
in Europe and here? What are people looking at this way?

Wolfowitz: I think it's pretty obvious and I think it's pretty disgraceful
but all you can do is ignore it and go on and get the job done.

Q: What is it? I mean some say anti-Semitism. I guess in Europe that would
be --

Wolfowitz: I just said all I'm going to say about it.

Q: Okay. There's a question now as to whether in Iraq itself --

Wolfowitz: You know it's completely out in the open who holds what views in
this Administration. You couldn't be more transparent about what the
arguments are. The most significant thing that has produced what is
admittedly a fairly significant change in American policy is the events of
September 11th which are going to count as one of the -- If you had to pick
the ten most important foreign policy things for the United States over the
last 100 years it would surely rank in the top ten if not number one. It's
the reason why so much has changed, and people who refuse to look at that,
for whatever reason, or are unwilling to face up to the implications of that
then go around and look for some nefarious explanation. But it's shameful.

Q: Since you brought that up let me ask you something related to that. I've
looked at the remarkable Defense Policy Guidance of 1992 --

Wolfowitz: Wait a minute. Did you look at the guidance or did you look at
the draft that was leaked before I saw it?

Q: That's a very good point. Actually all I saw were summaries of it. Is
there a big discrepancy as to what was reported and what was in it?

Wolfowitz: Yes. In short. At some point I guess it's acquired such a life of
its own I ought to go back and refresh my memory.
But the way I remember it approximately is as follows. I gave a quite
substantial briefing to Secretary Cheney and what was then called I guess
the Defense Resources Board on a post-Cold War defense strategy, the essence
of which was to shift from a strategy for being prepared to fight a global
war, to being focused on two possible regional conflicts. And to downsize
the U.S. military by some 40 percent.
That was sort of taken to the President, promulgated in a speech in Aspen on
August 2, 1990, which you may recall happened also to be the day that Iraq
invaded Kuwait. In fact we had, in that briefing that I gave in May I think,
it focused on the Iraqi threat to the Arabian peninsula as one of the
regional problems we needed to be prepared to deal with. At the time that
was considered a revolutionary idea. By the time the President gave the
speech it had already happened. [Laughter]
Then that general briefing had to be translated into a guidance document for
the department. Some people on my staff wrote a draft. Before I even got to
see the draft someone leaked it to the New York Times, apparently because
they didn't like it. The New York Times then wrote about the draft.
If you go back, and you can do this with Lexis/Nexis. If you go back, the
excerpts from the draft are nowhere near as hysterical as the way the New
York Times reported it. So people in the first place were reacting to the
New York Times description of the draft as opposed to the actual text of the
draft which the Times in fact did publish.
I repeat, it was not a draft that I'd even reviewed yet.
As I recall, one of the pieces of hysteria was the idea that this is a
blueprint for a massive increase in U.S. defense spending, when in fact it
was a blueprint for a 40 percent reduction in U.S. defense spending. It goes
on from there.
When we did a revised draft that in fact I had reviewed carefully, the State
Department initially didn't want us to put it out, I think because it was a
little too much. Well, I don't know why. They didn't want us to put it out.
I don't want to speculate on motives. But in January of 1993 as we were
about to leave, I said to Cheney don't you think we should publish it? And
he said yes, we should. So it's available in the full text as the Regional
Defense Strategy of January, 1993.
I know people say oh well, they just sanded off the corners because the real
thing received such an adverse reaction. But the truth of the matter is what
the Times was writing about was something that I'd never seen. What is
published, while I will admit some of the corners are rounded off on it,
reflects my views.

Q: What did you make of the reaction at the time? You were an important
public official then, but you weren't particularly visible. And I looked at
the Times -- That was the right hand column front page story on the same
day, by the way, that the Whitewater story broke in the paper, March 8,
1992.
And of course there were Democratic primaries coming up, Super Tuesday. Was
this your first taste of what the media will do to you when they think they
have a story? Or were you schooled in that before?

Wolfowitz: I've run into it before. If the media had more of a right wing
bias I would have run into it in a major way with the Philippine policy. We
had a few shots at us from the conservative press that we were undermining
Reagan's good friend Ferdinand Marcos. No, I've been shot at from both
directions.
I think the first time was over the Team B exercise back in 1976.

Q: Oh, that's right.

Wolfowitz: It seems to go with the territory.

Q: And there again you'd written a fairly straightforward account, wasn't it
of intermediate missiles or something?
Wolfowitz: That's right. Which turned out to be, I wouldn't say prophetic,
but it was prescient. It was completely borne out by what came subsequently,
but it was again -- I don't know whether people caricature it in order to
discredit it, or they caricature it because they don't understand it. Or
maybe some of both.
But the way I would put it in terms of the '92 document and briefings is
that, you have to remember, the Cold War had ended. There were a lot of
people who said we don't need any of these Cold War alliances any more. We
don't need NATO any more. Then President Bush was asked why do you need NATO
now that the threat's gone away? He said the threat's still there. They said
what is it? He said the threat's uncertainty, and people sort of laughed at
that.
Well, it's not a bad description for what's happened in the Balkans in the
intervening period. And what we were basically arguing in that document is
that while we can manage with a substantially reduced U.S. defense force,
for a lot of people to retain 60 percent of it in those alliance
commitments, they somehow, I guess, thought we could go to complete
disarmament or something. I'm not sure what their model was.
In fact the New York Times specifically had this absurd line, I remember,
that we had abandoned 50 years of reliance on the doctrine of collective
security, I think. I'd have to go back and get the quote. But basically it's
as though for 50 years we'd been relying on the United Nations and this
document was going to undo it, as opposed to for 50 years we'd relied on
NATO and our alliances in Northeast Asia and this document was trying to
support them.
I remember at the time that a couple of Democratic senators -- It's easy to
recover them. You just go and look in Pat Buchanan's book -- sort of became
hysterical about this grand plan for continuing and maybe even expanding
American commitments. Because we did, in a sense one of the more radical
things in there was, if I can use an awful phrase, the adumbration of NATO
enlargement. We weren't quite so bold as to say it but we were hinting at
it. There was some discussion about, in a complementary document that was
also leaked, about whether the United States could honor a defense
commitment to Lithuania if we had one. This was considered wildly outrageous
and various Democratic senators attacked us.
Pat Buchanan's "Republic Not an Empire" book spends its first chapter
attacking the so-called Wolfowitz Memorandum.

Q: Right, I know that book.

Wolfowitz: And he laments the fact that these same Democratic senators who
were attacking--in his view, appropriately attacking--the Wolfowitz
Memorandum, had climbed on board the whole policy when it became Clinton's
policy in the mid 1990s. He's correct in saying that what was considered by
the New York Times to be such an outrageous document was U.S. consensus
foreign policy, but during the Clinton Administration, not in this
Administration. That is that these alliances needed to be retained, that
NATO could be enlarged successfully, that we could downsize our military but
we needed to retain a capability to deal with two major regional conflicts,
which, by the way, is something that needed revision by the time I got back
here. But it was the defense policy of the Clinton years, ironically.

Q: In fact John Louis Gaddis said that.

Wolfowitz: Who?

Q: John Louis Gaddis has said that, that if you look at Clinton's policy it
actually does come out of the '92 guidance to some extent.

Wolfowitz: Not to some extent. It's pretty much verbatim.

Q: But you're --

Wolfowitz: -- without acknowledgement.

Q: Except you have been skeptical about Clinton's, the sentimental
liberalism in his ideas, his approach to foreign policy, right?

Wolfowitz: Well, yes but let's remember that -- I think they made a serious
over-reach in Somalia when they went beyond just ending starvation and tried
to do nationbuilding. I think Haiti was a waste of American effort. I think,
as we've learned, the North Korea Framework Agreement was delusional. But on
two of the key things they did, namely Bosnia and Kosovo, Bob Dole supported
Clinton quite strongly and I would say courageously on Bosnia and I'm proud
to claim some credit in having advised --

Q: You did too.

Wolfowitz: I did too, but I also was there when Dole was being pushed by
some of his Republican colleagues to go after Clinton saying this would be a
catastrophe. I said no it won't be, and moreover, it's the right thing to
do.
If they had dropped the arms embargo on the Bosnians as they promised to do
when they came into office it might not have been necessary to still have
thousands of foreign troops in Bosnia. But by the time you got to it in 1995
it was the only alternative.
And similarly, on Kosovo, when Bush was deciding whether to support it or
not, I was strongly urging him to do so. When some Republicans tried to
undercut Clinton on Kosovo, it was Bush and McCain together who told them
don't do that. It's wrong.
So it's not that everything they did was wrong, but I think things like
Haiti and Somalia were over-reached and generally there was, I think, a
difficulty in distinguishing what was American interest from what were sort
of vaguely seen as international community preferences. But I'm not a
unilateralist by any means. In fact I don't think you can get much done in
this world if you do it alone.

Q: Do you think there was a reluctance on their part even to use the threat
of force? To make force an option in the way that it's now become -- I think
about North Korea, Syria and Iran, and actually --

Wolfowitz: And Iraq.

Q: And Iraq. When I think about it, these other three that have now been
brought up, being discussed, have actually been very kind of multinational
and diplomatic and yet it's partly the threat of force that seems to
strengthen the approach, doesn't it?

Wolfowitz: There's no question that in certain -- First of all, diplomacy
that it's just words is rarely going to get you much unless you're dealing
with people who basically share your values and your interests. I'm not
against, I mean sometimes it does help to just have a better understanding.
But if you're talking about trying to move people to something that they're
not inclined to do, then you've got to have leverage and one piece of
leverage is the ultimate threat of force. It's something you need to be very
careful about because, as Rumsfeld likes to say, don't cock unless you're
prepared to throw it.
By the way I think there was a tendency to cock it too often with Kosovo. If
you go back and look at the year and a half or so leading up to when we
finally did use force there were so many empty threats issued that Milosevic
clearly concluded, ultimately wrongly, that we weren't serious.
So I think yeah, I think the threat of force is one of the instruments of
diplomacy, but it's one that needs to be used carefully.
I'm going to have to break here for a few minutes and we'll try to get back
to you soon.

Q: Thanks so much. Goodbye.


1/2 (...)




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Fri May 14 18:56:40 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:56:40 +0200
Subject: vanity fair - well known and named  - to all performances in the world (part 2)
Message-ID: <00ce01c439d4$6da757b0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

[Session Two, Saturday, May 10, 2003]

Wolfowitz: Hello.

Q: How are you doing?

Wolfowitz: Pretty good. How are you?

Q: Okay. I will try to make this painless. It reminds me of an interview I
read with Philip Ross once in the Times and he said what a day. First the
dentist, now a journalist. [Laughter]

Wolfowitz: The dentist was easy, so I hope you can stay below his threshold.
[Laughter]
You're kind of faint.

Q: I was telling Kevin, I have a headset and I type as we speak, which is
one reason I'll want to see the transcript just so I don't make errors. I'm
reliable, but I'm not a letter-perfect typist and I won't always be able to
keep up with you.
Can you hear me okay now?

Wolfowitz: Pretty well. It's okay.

Q: This is a feature magazine and people want to know a little about you so
let me just lead you through a few questions there.
One is, where were you on September 11th? Were you at the Pentagon when --

Wolfowitz: I was in my office. We'd just had a breakfast with some
congressmen in which one of the subjects had been missile defense. And we
commented to them that based on what Rumsfeld and I had both seen and worked
on the Ballistic Missile Threat Commission, that we were probably in for
some nasty surprises over the next ten years.

Q: Oh, my gosh.

Wolfowitz: I can't remember, then there was the sort of question of what
kind of nasty surprises? I don't remember exactly which ones we came up
with. The point was more just that it's in the nature of surprise that you
can't predict what it's going to be.

Q: Do you remember then the impact of the plane into the Pentagon? Or had
you first heard stories about New York? What was --

Wolfowitz: We were having a meeting in my office. Someone said a plane had
hit the World Trade Center. Then we turned on the television and we started
seeing the shots of the second plane hitting, and this is the way I remember
it. It's a little fuzzy.

Q: Right.

Wolfowitz: There didn't seem to be much to do about it immediately and we
went on with whatever the meeting was. Then the whole building shook. I have
to confess my first reaction was an earthquake. I didn't put the two things
together in my mind. Rumsfeld did instantly.

Q: Did he really?

Wolfowitz: Yeah. He went charging out and down to the site where the plane
had hit, which is what I would have done if I'd had my wits about me, which
may or may not have been a smart thing to do. But it was, instead the next
thing we heard was that there'd been a bomb and the building had to be
evacuated. Everyone started streaming out of the building in a quite orderly
way. Congregated on the parade ground basically right in front of the
Pentagon which would have been about the worst place to have a crowd of a
couple of thousand people in that moment if we'd again had our wits about
us. But we were out of the building anyway.

Q: Let me ask you then about the next couple of days. There is --

Wolfowitz: Just to complete it. We went back into the building and that was
an experience I won't ever forget. There was a huge fire, there was smoke
gradually filling -- not all, just the small number of us who were basically
in the command group. Rumsfeld was there and General Myers who was still the
Vice Chairman at that point. The Chairman was on his way back from overseas
and I was there. We were in the National Military Command Center and there
was this acrid smoke gradually seeping into the place. Rumsfeld simply
refused to leave. He finally made me leave, which I was not happy about.
I went up to this bizarre location that was prepared to survive nuclear war.

Q: Really?

Wolfowitz: Yes.

Q: In the Pentagon.

Wolfowitz: No, no. Way out of town.
Kellems: That's why he left, was to separate them.

Q: I see.
Kellems: To provide continuity.

Q: And then in the next few days, then there was the statement which now
looks remarkably [prescient] when you said this is a campaign. At that
point, I think it was the 13th, at that point was Iraq sort of moving into
the scope, under the radar screen? What was your thinking at that point?

Wolfowitz: I know my thinking at that point was that the old approach to
terrorism was not acceptable any longer. The old approach being you treat it
as a law enforcement problem rather than a national security problem. You
pursue terrorists after they've done things and bring them to justice, and
to the extent states are perhaps involved, you retaliate against them but
you don't really expect to get them out of the business of supporting
terrorism completely.
To me what September 11th meant was that we just couldn't live with
terrorism any longer.
Throughout the '80s and '90s it was sort of, I've never found quite the
right words because necessary evil doesn't describe it, but a sort of an
evil that you could manage but you couldn't eliminate. And I think what
September 11th to me said was this is just the beginning of what these
bastards can do if they start getting access to so-called modern weapons,
and that it's not something you can live with any longer. So there needs to
be a campaign, a strategy, a long-term effort, to root out these networks
and to get governments out of the business of supporting them. But that
wasn't something that was going to happen overnight.

Q: Right. So Iraq naturally came to the top of the list because of its
history and the weapons of mass terror and all the rest, is that right?

Wolfowitz: Yes, plus the fact which seems to go unremarked in most places,
that Saddam Hussein was the only international figure other than Osama bin
Laden who praised the attacks of September 11th.

Q: So now there is the much-reported, I just want to make sure I get it
right, famous meeting at --
It's been reported in a couple of different ways, and I'd like to get it in
your words if I can, the famous meetings that first weekend in Camp David
where the question of Iraq came up. I believe the President heard you
discussing Iraq and asked you to elaborate on it or speak more about it. Can
you give us a little sense of what that was like?

Wolfowitz: Yeah. There was a long discussion during the day about what place
if any Iraq should have in a counterterrorist strategy. On the surface of
the debate it at least appeared to be about not whether but when. There
seemed to be a kind of agreement that yes it should be, but the disagreement
was whether it should be in the immediate response or whether you should
concentrate simply on Afghanistan first.
There was a sort of undertow in that discussion I think that was, the real
issue was whether Iraq should be part of the strategy at all and whether we
should have this large strategic objective which is getting governments out
of the business of supporting terrorism, or whether we should simply go
after bin Laden and al Qaeda.
To the extent it was a debate about tactics and timing, the President
clearly came down on the side of Afghanistan first. To the extent it was a
debate about strategy and what the larger goal was, it is at least clear
with 20/20 hindsight that the President came down on the side of the larger
goal.

Q: Believe it or not, because this is a feature magazine, I'd like to ask
you a little bit about your background. None of this is going to be
personal. I know that you protect the privacy of your family so this has
really nothing to do with that.
First of all, the question of ideas. That is, is there anything at all, we
talked about this a little off the record, is there anything at all to the
Straussian Connection?

Wolfowitz: It's a product of fevered minds who seem incapable of
understanding that September 11th changed a lot of things and changed the
way we need to approach the world. Since they refused to confront that, they
looked for some kind of conspiracy theory to explain it.
I mean I took two terrific courses from Leo Strauss as a graduate student.
One was on Montesquieu's spirit of the laws, which did help me understand
our Constitution better. And one was on Plato's laws. The idea that this has

anything to do with U.S. foreign policy is just laughable.

Q: There is something kind of humorous in it because a few weeks ago all we
heard was he's been the kind of cowboy, rampaging around the globe looking
for evildoers. And now he seems to be in the vehicle of erudite philosophy.
This is very helpful.

Wolfowitz: It sort of calls to mind the joke about the President and the
Pope are on a boat, and the Pope's hat blows off. The President says, no,
I'll get it for you and walks across the top of the waves, picks up the hat
and walks back across the top of the waves, hands the hat to the Pope and
the next day the headlines are, "President Bush can't swim." [Laughter]
Q: Let me ask about one other [inaudible], and that's Albert Wohlstetter. A
couple of people, believe me, who are not [inaudible] at all, say that
Wohlstetter was a far-sighted military strategist whose notions have been
about low yield nuclear weapons that we're hearing about today, and
different ways of fighting wars. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing,
zero sum, no mutually assured destruction. Are there any notions like that
on where the military is today or how you look at --
Wolfowitz: Wohlstetter is a much more relevant figure and it's interesting
too, by the way, that the same fellow who, or one of the same fellows who
discovered the Straussian Conspiracy kind of throws Wohlstetter in as a
Straussian when Wohlstetter was actually philosophically a student of Quine.

Q: The analytical --

Wolfowitz: Exactly. If there was anything anathema to Leo Strauss it was
analytical philosophy.

Q: I bet.

Wolfowitz: And Wohlstetter was somebody who really just almost painfully
resisted being labeled even as to political party. He was so insistent on
ascertaining the facts. He had a very fact-based approach to policy. It's
very impressive. And indeed, I was his student and often identified as such,
and it occasionally troubled me just a little bit that I thought, well,
maybe he was also associated with these sort of cold-blooded systems
analysts who kind of seemed to leave the moral piece of politics and
strategy as though it wasn't part of the equation.
It was terrifically gratifying to me as I got to know him better, to realize
that there were intensely moral considerations in the way he approached
these issues. Most dramatically in his deep concern about the fate of Bosnia
in his late years.
But to come back to sort of more concretely, I mean here's something that I
think is quite important, quite relevant. Albert Wohlstetter was one of the
first people, most influential people, to understand what a dramatic
difference it would make to have accurate weapons. And that in particular
what he was really interested in was the ability, two things. Number one, to
be able to use conventional weapons in ways that people, that only nuclear
weapons could be used, to be able to get out of the nuclear mindset kind of
things.
But secondly and importantly, to be able to avoid unnecessary loss of
innocent life in war. And in fact there's a fairly seminal document that was
done under Fred Ikle when he was Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
called Discriminate Deterrence which may be interesting to know if you can
find it on the internet. As I recall, even at the time, the State Department
didn't like it because for some reason or other it offended some of our
allies.

Q: Was that when you were working --

Wolfowitz: No, no. I was actually doing East Asia policy at the time. I
can't claim any credit for it.

Q: This was in the '80s then.

Wolfowitz: Yes, mid '80s. '84 or '86, I don't remember which.
But going back much earlier, Albert, starting in '73 or '74 put together
something called the New Alternative Workshop or New Alternative Panel. I
think it was Workshop. To look at the implications of new technology. But
the ones that interested him the most were the ones that promised great
improvements in accuracy. And as a result he was the first intellectual
figure to recognize that the Tomahawk cruise missile which was being
developed by the Navy primarily as a nuclear delivery system, was much more
significant as a conventional delivery system because it could give you very
accurate weapons with ranges of what we have now, 600 miles or more.
If it hadn't been for Albert, I believe the Tomahawk cruise missile would
have been traded away in the SALT II talks in 1976. But what happened -- am
I getting into too much historical detail?

Q: No, this is fascinating.

Wolfowitz: What happened was the Ford Administration at the time was trying
very hard to get a SALT II agreement based on the agreement in principle
that emerged in Vladivostok. The Soviets were basically saying they would
only make an agreement if we banned all cruise missiles at ranges greater
than 600 kilometers which would have included the Tomahawk. The Navy,
frankly, was quite happy to give it up because they'd only built it in some
measure at Kissinger's urging earlier on, when Kissinger wanted some nuclear
delivery system he could use as bargaining material in the SALT talks and as
far as they were concerned, it was just an unnecessary burden to be carried
by attack submarines that had only limited torpedo space.
It was Albert and his group who said wait a minute, if you can have a
conventional delivery system it's worth the torpedo space, I mean an
accurate conventional delivery system, and the way I understood the history
but I'm sure there are slightly different versions of this, he and I
persuaded Fred Ikle who was then the Director of ACDA that we should oppose
giving up the tomahawk on arms control grounds because it had the potential
to substitute conventional for nuclear weapons and that was a good thing
from the point of view of arms control.
The Secretary of Defense at the time who was somebody named Rumsfeld, by
whatever means he came to it, concluded it was not something he wanted to
give up even if the Navy brass were prepared to. As a result it was not sort
of used as a bargaining chip in those negotiations, although I think absent
those two individuals it probably would have been.
So it was a matter of considerable personal satisfaction to watch those
missiles turning right angle corners in the Gulf War in 1991 and
demonstrating that this stuff really could do what Albert Wohlstetter had
envisioned 15 years before it might be able to do.
It's also an interesting case I think, without wanting to suggest that
there's anything unintelligent about the military, it's too easy to
misinterpret this comment. I mean there are very smart people trying very
hard to do the right thing, but what's involved here is a tradeoff between a
very expensive system that might some day be accurate, against things that
are available here and now and that are much cheaper, and they may not be
accurate but they seem to "do the job".
It's been true also of things like global positioning systems and the JDAM,
the accurate GPS bombs that were used so heavily in the last war. The last
two wars. It took a certain amount of pressure from the Congress to get the
Air Force and the other services to invest adequately in those systems
because a certain skepticism about the promise of briefing charts versus the
reality of the here and now, and I think it was -- It's somewhat, I'm going
way too far off on this. But if you wanted to understand Albert Wohlstetter
you've got to understand how somebody can perceive that a seemingly cold
technical fact like this fact about accuracy translates into a whole
transformation of strategy and politics.
That had a similar impact in the 1950s when he was asked to look at, by the
Air Force, at what's the most cost-effective way to base our bomber force
and came out of that with the observation which is like a blinding flash of
the obvious but no one had noticed it before then, that the real issue isn't
what's cost effective, the real issue is how do you build a bomber force
that's not vulnerable to a first strike by the other side?

Q: That was seminal.

Wolfowitz: Absolutely seminal. And it derived not from reading Plato,
believe me. Nor did it derive from any ideological prejudices whatsoever. It
derived from saying here's the problem, look at it factually, see what the
questions are that emerged from the thing itself so to speak -- inductive
rather than deductive -- and I suppose that's the difference between
ideological thinking and pragmatic thinking.

Q: Is that true for your own approach as well?

Wolfowitz: Well, it turns out he was a mixture and I think I'm a mixture.
People ask me how do you characterize yourself. I guess the closest I can
come to saying it is I think I'm a practical idealist. I mean I don't like
the caricature Wilsonian view that says we're going to impose something on
the world regardless of whether it can take in the real world. But I also
don't like the sort of, the kind of pragmatism -- I consider myself
pragmatic but I don't like the kind of pragmatism that sort of stares at
people who hold principles very strongly and think that it's all just a
matter of doing business and being sensible.

Q: Which leads me to the last couple of questions --

Wolfowitz: I remember once when the President in the middle of a discussion
about a particular country said just how brutal are its leaders. I thought
it was an incredibly perceptive question and it's too often left out of the
equation as a sort of pragmatic view that you've got to deal with them as
the leaders of country X and you shouldn't inquire too deeply into what kind
of people they are. I think you do have to deal with all kinds of dubious
characters in the world in order to accomplish the national security
objectives of the country.
But it's really important to keep in mind what this country is about. It's a
lot more than just physical security or economic health.

Q: Does that also raise a question then if you're looking at leader who
truly is brutal, [inaudible], raising that question, and also maybe someone
who doesn't necessarily think the way you do. I know Wohlstetter had this
phrase, I think he called it Western preferred Soviet strategy.

Wolfowitz: Exactly. It's probably the second greatest source of intelligence
error is mirror imaging. I mean I think the greatest mistake is assuming
that people will behave, well it's a version of mirror imaging, I guess.
People will be rational according to our definition of what is rational.

Q: Right.

Wolfowitz: I guess they really are the same thing.

Q: I'm sorry. What's the first one?

Wolfowitz: The first one is that people will, the kind of mistake that in a
sense I think we made implicitly in assuming that anyone who was intelligent
enough to fly an airplane wouldn't commit suicide with it. Or the mistake
that Saddam Hussein made of thinking that -- Let me back up. I guess I'm
getting --
The mistake that Saddam made was in assuming that we would behave in a
certain way, i.e. we would never go to war until we'd had six weeks of
bombing first. That's a sort of classic intelligence failure, to have a
certain expectation and then see all the evidence in light of that
expectation.
Hitler made the same mistake in assuming that of course we'd attack in
Calais, so we achieved one of history's great deceptions by reinforcing that
conviction of his. But the sort of second and related source is mirror
imaging. Those are not examples of mirror imaging. In fact Saddam was
assuming that we were too weak to go in on the ground, unlike his tough
macho approach to life. But mirror imaging I think is another major source
of error.
What was that phrase, U.S. preferred Soviet --

Q: I think it's Western preferred Soviet strategy, which is kind of an
ingeniously [compressed] phrase.

Wolfowitz: That's typical Albert, yeah.

Q: And of course that was part of his approach to the Cold War as well. And
also the sort of standard, now we are getting off the track but it is
interesting, that the sort of standard arms negotiation which entails that
we should sort of remove options from our side of the table actually kind of
limited our ability to have choices and to maybe even win the Cold War,
right?

Wolfowitz: I think that's right, but I'd rather you not put those words --

Q: No, I wouldn't put them in your mouth.

Wolfowitz: It's too complicated a subject to --

Q: I was just curious to see what you had to say about that.

Wolfowitz: I think if one dug into it that's not a bad characterization.

Q: Then, and this is about as personal as I'm going to get, your father was
at distinguished mathematician. You studied math and I think chemistry at
Cornell. Were you interested in politics all along? I know you were in
Washington I believe in '63 when Dr. King made his great speech.

Wolfowitz: '64 I think it was.

Q: I think it was '63, but --

Wolfowitz: Whichever year it was, the "I have a dream" speech.

Q: Right. And you were there. You were interested in politics and also
questions of social justice and democracy? How did all this happen for
someone who was kind of a science guy?
Wolfowitz: I think my father deserves a large part of the blame or whatever
it is. It's a funny thing because he really did think that the ultimate
thing in life was to be a mathematician or a theoretical physicist. There's
a certain snobbery about mathematicians and theoretical physics, in some
ways a branch of mathematics almost that is well known among scientists at
least.
I was good at math but I kept feeling it was too abstract and I thought
maybe if I could work on a cure for cancer I'd be more fully satisfied which
is why I sort of headed into the chemistry major. I was actually accepted
for a PhD at MIT which I was going to do in biophysical chemistry, but I had
also, I think unbeknownst to my father. I don't remember now, applied to -- 
I'm not saying it was -- There's no deep, dark secret here. I had applied to
Chicago for political science. And what I remember is the decisive moment
was when I had to decide with respect to Harvard, was I going to apply for
government or chemistry. And I finally came out realizing that I wanted to
do government, applied to Harvard in government, and told my father and all
my chemistry professors that I had looked at the MIT catalog and I had
already completed the first two years of graduate course requirements in
chemistry so I could afford to take a year and experiment with political
science.
They all saw through it and they basically said you don't understand son,
the real stars have already completed three years of graduate course work in
chemistry. That wasn't really the point. The point was they knew I was -- If
you're serious about hard science you don't go off and experiment for a year
with something as soft as political science.

Q: You applied to Harvard as well?

Wolfowitz: Yeah.

Q: You were admitted everywhere?

Wolfowitz: Yeah. They just loved having mathematicians, it was sort of
funny.
But to go back to why -- He was one of these scientists, and there are
many, -- I don't know whether it's many. I think largely because of the
experience of World War II and also because -- Well, he read the New York
Times every day as though the future of the world depended on his reading
the New York Times. And he had an absolutely passionate interest in politics
and history, read a lot of history, knew a lot of history, and I can't help
thinking that's where I got the bug from at a fairly young age.
I remember when I was in high school, ninth grade, I'd been looking for Alan
Paton's "Cry the Beloved Country" in English, and we arrived on what was
going to be a long three or four months in Europe, arrived in France and
there it was in French on a book stand. I'd had one year of high school
French and not a very good year at that. But I picked it up and I sort of
struggled my way through it with a dictionary. And it was partly because I
wanted to learn French, but it's also because that sort of, I don't know if
you know "Cry the Beloved Country" --

Q: Oh, yeah, I know the novel. It's a tremendous important novel in that
era, late '50s, early '60s.

Wolfowitz: It really was, and it was sort of gripping from a political,
moral point of view. Those are the kinds of things I tended to read a lot
of. George Orwell. Books about the Holocaust unfortunately. John Hersey's
Hiroshima.

Q: Did you look at --

Wolfowitz: I did not -- See, this was my big recognition my senior year in
college was that when I had spare time I read politics and history and when
my fellow math majors had spare time they did extra math problems. I
realized there was a message there.
To be really good at something you need to do more than just do well in your
coursework. You need to be consumed by it.

Q: And just to get this straight, the Allen Bloom connection. You've now
entered literary history because a Nobel Laureate has fictionalized,
referenced you at least.

Wolfowitz: It's half of one paragraph, which again -- [Laughter]

Q: Well, it's irresistible for journalists. Because there he is, the great
American novelist and you are a very important figure and you're in his
novel, and if it [inaudible], it's hard not to use --

Wolfowitz: By the way, that conversation never happened. That particular
one.

Q: It didn't make sense. He was fabricating then.

Wolfowitz: He was sort of -- He wasn't fabricating the fact that Bloom loved
to talk to any students of his who were in government, and even though I
wasn't his closest student I was probably one at the highest level in
government so it gave him the most bragging rights. And I'm sure that every
time we had a conversation, judging from the way Bellow describes it and I
would have expected it. He sort of -- He had a way of seeing everyone as
larger than life. Almost everyone he dealt with was a figure from a platonic
dialogue almost. In a way it's -- The way of looking at the world that was
eye-opening in a certain sense, maybe the story -- [Laughter] Anyway, I'm
sure that whatever things were exchanged were exaggerated.
The thing I was grateful to Bellow for was noting very clearly that nobody
would ever have told Bloom anything that was classified because he couldn't
be trusted with a secret.

Q: That's right. He was very clear about that. He said in fact that
[inaudible] doesn't tell him anything that you don't want to appear in
tomorrow's press. [Laughter]
Did you take several courses with Bloom?

Wolfowitz: I actually only took one course with Bloom but he was a resident
faculty member of the place where I was living.

Q: That was Teluride?

Wolfowitz: Yeah.

Q: And is it true that, Bellow actually had I think, [inaudible] faculty
actually warning your father against Bloom. Is that something [inaudible] at
that point?

Wolfowitz: I think it's a composite of various Bloom students. I don't
think -- Certainly the way it's put there is not my father, and my father
was not a business professor. In fact my father was actually one of the
leading figures in mathematical statistics and, even though Bloom didn't
have a clue as to what the whole subject was, he knew that my father was
something much more than a, however it's described in there.

Q: Right.

Wolfowitz: In fact I remember he was in some awe of my father because he
would do his work pacing the large quadrangle of the Arts and Sciences
College at Cornell, lost in pure thought, without a pencil or paper, and
working, and I think it's a fairly rare phenomenon --

Q: This is your father who did that?

Wolfowitz: Yeah.

Q: He would think it through --

Wolfowitz: He would be thinking about math problems in his head. On the one
hand Bloom was somewhat disdainful of hard science in general because it
left out the philosophical dimension, but on the other hand I think he was
in some awe of, he believed in the life of the mind and theory and all of
that, that somebody could actually be thinking through fundamental questions
simply in his head.

Q: This is great.

Wolfowitz: So it's a kind of a mixture. When I read that particular
paragraph I could have --

Wolfowitz: -- that I had never sort of really seen before. I mean there was
a bravery about the guy which included his facing death the way he did I
think that's pretty remarkable. I mean I'm not saying I didn't see it
before, but I saw it more clearly.
There's an uglier side that I don't want to get into here, but it is sort of
glossed over.

Q: It's fair to say you're not a disciple of Allen Bloom. We can say that.
You studied with him.

Wolfowitz: And I didn't even study a great deal with him. He had a lot to do
with my coming to appreciate that the study of politics could be a serious
business even though it wasn't science in the sense that I understood
science to be. That was an important eye-opener. But I never, for better and
for worse, took the political theory either way most of his other students
did.

Q: Did he know Wohlstetter? Bloom had studied with Strauss at Chicago and --

Wolfowitz: No, it was kind of an interesting accident. In trying to choose
between Harvard and Chicago, Harvard seemed to have the advantages of a much
stronger international relations department and Chicago had the advantage of
a much stronger political theory department. Even though I thought
international relations was what I wanted to do, I have more confidence in
my ability to sort of learn that without a lot of help, and I thought -- I
mean Strauss really is quite a remarkable figure. That doesn't make me an
acolyte but he really is pretty remarkable. I thought well here's a chance
you shouldn't pass up.

Q: So you knew who he was.

Wolfowitz: Yes, I certainly knew who he was. And one of my professors at
Cornell said, and by the way there's this guy Albert Wohlstetter who's just
moving to Chicago from Rand and you and he would probably get along very
well. I'd never heard of the man, if that tells you something about how
unconnected I was to the field. This was 1965.
I arrive in Chicago. The first student/faculty tea I'm introduced to
Wohlstetter and he said, "Oh, are you related to Jack Wolfowitz?" I said as
a matter of fact that's my father. He said I studied mathematics with him
and Abraham Wald at Columbia. Then he said, what's your --

Q: They were collaborators, weren't they? Your father and Wald?

Wolfowitz: Yeah. My father was Walds' student and then his principal
collaborator until Wald died in an airplane accident in India at too young
an age.
But then when Albert discovered I was a math major he immediately glommed
onto me. I was his dream of -- His approach to issues was very technical and
very technologically oriented and I was the perfect student.
By the way, Alan Greenspan also was a student of my father's. He says that
my father had a fundamental influence on his understanding of what was then
the brand new field of econometrics.

Q: Right, so this is at Cornell?

Wolfowitz: No, that was at Columbia. That was 1949-1950.

Q: I see. When did he go to Cornell?

Wolfowitz: -- my father, I shouldn't do that.

Q: We're supposed to brag about our fathers.
When did you all go to Ithaca?

Wolfowitz: The first move there was the fall of '51--'52, and then my father
immediately had a sabbatical -- no, '52--'53 we moved to Ithaca. Then he
immediately had a sabbatical and '53--'54 we spent half in Los Angeles and
half in Urbana, Illinois. I still remember, the reason I see the
announcement of Stalin's death in 1954 was the street I lived on in Urbana,
Illinois at the time.

Q: You'd been living in Manhattan before that?

Wolfowitz: Manhattan. I was born in Brooklyn but we grew up in Manhattan,
one block down on Morningside Drive in a house that no longer exists. One
block down from the President of Columbia who for part of that time was
Dwight Eisenhower. My sister tells me that she remembers seeing Eisenhower
go to his car as we were roller-skating on that block, but it didn't make
any impression on me. I was probably three or four.

Q: This is all very helpful.
This is sort of the two very small, well, they're big questions but I don't
expect you to give me extended answers to the questions of the day. One is
there is some question as to whether the Pentagon underestimated Iran's
readiness to intervene in Iraq and whether that upset the plans at all, the
post-war plans.

Wolfowitz: That's nonsense.

Q: Okay. That had been reported.

Wolfowitz: There's so much that's reported that -- No. In fact it's, I don't
want to comment [inaudible] government. We've understood very clearly that
Iraq, especially the Shia population of Iraq, is both a source of danger and
opportunity to the Iranians. I think it's more danger than it is
opportunity. But the danger itself is incentive for them to try to intervene
because the last thing they want to see, which I think is a real
possibility, is an independent source of authority for the Shia religion
emerging in a country that is democratic and pro-Western.

Q: That's a --

Wolfowitz: There's going to be a huge struggle for the soul of Iraqi Shiism,
there's no question about it.

Q: What about the notion that the military campaign went so quickly and so
brilliantly that you did not have everything else as much as you might have
in place for this later era, later period [inaudible]?

Wolfowitz: It certainly has gone quickly. People that remember when you want
to take your story, I mean we're, 50 days after the war began people
started -- Having been wrong about the first quagmire saying we were in a
quagmire in terms of the restoration of the civil services in Iraq or
dealing with any number of other obvious problems. To me what's remarkable
is how much was accomplished in 50 days.
Things are not going to happen overnight. The notion -- I mean policy, like
life, is fundamentally about choices and the notion that we should have
chosen to delay until we had a huge force and go more slowly and deal with
all the problems that would have come from going slowly so that we would
have had enough people, for example, to guard the museum in Baghdad is
frankly absurd. And it may well turn out, in fact, that the museum in
Baghdad was looted before the war even began, in which case no amount of
guarding would have done any good.
There are choices that had to be made and I don't think there's any question
that the fundamental speed of the operation, the remarkable speed of the
operation, played a role in preventing a number of the worst things that we
feared from happening. We'll never know exactly why the oilfields were not
destroyed. We did not have an environmental disaster resulting from huge
hydrogen sulfide fires in the north. We did not have attacks on Israel. We
did not have a fortress Baghdad. We did not have a civil war in northern
Iraq or a Turkish intervention in northern Iraq. We didn't have an Iranian
intervention to speak of in southern Iraq. We didn't have any Arab
governments collapse. Should I keep going?

Q: These were all possibilities you weighed, right?

Wolfowitz: Absolutely. And most of these were things that people warned were
absolutely certain to happen if we went to war. I think a few of them I
thought were exaggerated. The one that has always worried me the most was
the use of weapons of mass destruction. We still don't know why they weren't
used. That's something maybe we'll know more about one of these days, I
don't know.
But there seems to be very little doubt that everything came at the Iraqi
regime much faster than they expected it. That the war began sooner, that
the ground troops moved in faster, that they moved up north faster, that
they moved into Baghdad faster, and a lot of things happened before for that
matter some of the meddling neighbors could interfere, either.
One of our senior generals in a discussion of a related but different
subject made the observation that speed kills, as in it kills the enemy, and
that getting to an objective quickly is often the thing that's most
effective militarily. There's always usually a tradeoff between speed and
mass.

Q: And then the last question, you've been very patient and generous. That
is what's next? Where do we stand now in the campaign that you talked about
right after September 11th?

Wolfowitz: I think the two most important things next are the two most
obvious. One is getting post-Saddam Iraq right. Getting it right may take
years, but setting the conditions for getting it right in the next six
months. The next six months are going to be very important.
The other thing is trying to get some progress on the Israeli-Palestinian
issue. I do think we have a better atmosphere for working on it now than we
did before in all kinds of ways. Whether that's enough to make a difference
is not certain, but I will be happy to go back and dig up the things I said
a long time ago which is, while it undoubtedly was true that if we could
make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian issue we would provide a better set
of circumstances to deal with Saddam Hussein, but that it was equally true
the other way around that if we could deal with Saddam Hussein it would
provide a better set of circumstances for dealing with the Arab-Israeli
issue. That you had to move on both of them as best you could when you
could, but --
There are a lot of things that are different now, and one that has gone by
almost unnoticed--but it's huge--is that by complete mutual agreement
between the U.S. and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of
our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years
has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It's
been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin
Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called
crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting
that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other
positive things.
I don't want to speak in messianic terms. It's not going to change things
overnight, but it's a huge improvement.

Q: Was that one of the arguments that was raised early on by you and others
that Iraq actually does connect, not to connect the dots too much, but the
relationship between Saudi Arabia, our troops being there, and bin Laden's
rage about that, which he's built on so many years, also connects the World
Trade Center attacks, that there's a logic of motive or something like that?
Or does that read too much into --

Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for
reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we
settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of
mass destruction as the core reason, but -- hold on one second --
(Pause)

Kellems: Sam there may be some value in clarity on the point that it may
take years to get post-Saddam Iraq right. It can be easily misconstrued,
especially when it comes to --

Wolfowitz: -- there have always been three fundamental concerns. One is
weapons of mass destruction, the second is support for terrorism, the third
is the criminal treatment of the Iraqi people. Actually I guess you could
say there's a fourth overriding one which is the connection between the
first two. Sorry, hold on again.

Kellems: By the way, it's probably the longest uninterrupted phone
conversation I've witnessed, so --

Q: This is extraordinary.

Kellems: You had good timing.

Q: I'm really grateful.

Wolfowitz: To wrap it up.
The third one by itself, as I think I said earlier, is a reason to help the
Iraqis but it's not a reason to put American kids' lives at risk, certainly
not on the scale we did it. That second issue about links to terrorism is
the one about which there's the most disagreement within the bureaucracy,
even though I think everyone agrees that we killed 100 or so of an al Qaeda
group in northern Iraq in this recent go-around, that we've arrested that al
Qaeda guy in Baghdad who was connected to this guy Zarqawi whom Powell spoke
about in his UN presentation.

Q: So this notion then that the strategic question was really a part of the
equation, that you were looking at Saudi Arabia --

Wolfowitz: I was. It's one of the reasons why I took a very different view
of what the argument that removing Saddam Hussein would destabilize the
Middle East. I said on the record, I don't understand how people can really
believe that removing this huge source of instability is going to be a cause
of instability in the Middle East.
I understand what they're thinking about. I'm not blind to the uncertainties
of this situation, but they just seem to be blind to the instability that
that son of a bitch was causing. It's as though the fact that he was paying
$25,000 per terrorist family and issuing regular threats to most friendly
governments in the region and the long list of things was of no account and
the only thing to think about was that there might be some inter-communal
violence if he were removed.
The implication of a lot of the argumentation against acting -- the
implication was that the only way to have the stability that we need in Iraq
is to have a tyrant like Saddam keeping everybody in check -- I know no one
ever said it that way and if you pointed it out that way they'd say that's
not what I mean. But I believe that really is where the logic was leading.

Q: Which also makes you wonder about how much faith there is in spreading
democracy and all the rest among some of those who --

Wolfowitz: Probably not very much. There is no question that there's a lot
of instability that comes with democracy and it's the nature of the beast
that it's turbulent and uncertain.
The thing is, at a general level, I've encountered this argument from the
defenders of Asian autocracies of various kinds. Look how much better off
Singapore is than Indonesia, to pick a glaring contrast. And Indonesia's
really struggling with democracy. It sort of inherited democracy under the
worst possible conditions too, one might say. But the thing that -- I'd
actually say that a large part of Indonesia's problems come from the fact
that dictatorships are unstable in the one worst way which is with respect
to choosing the next regime. Democracy, one could say, has solved, not solve
perfectly, but they represent one of the best solutions to one of the most
fundamental instabilities in politics and that's how to replace one regime
with another. It's the only orderly way in the world for doing it other than
hereditary monarchy which doesn't seem to have much of a future.

Q: Thanks so much.

Wolfowitz: You're very welcome.

(...) 2/2.





From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Fri May 14 20:13:19 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:13:19 +0100
Subject: 'what if I was a Rat?'
Message-ID: <40A50C3F.30701@furtherfield.org>

Hi all,

This is a repost regarding a review that I wrote about on Furtherfield 
called 'what if I was a Rat?' by Ilona Huss Walin.

I originally posted it about 3 weeks ago but the link to the work was 
not functioning - the server was down at the time - it is back up now....

http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?From=Index&review_id=94

all the best

marc





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From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:20:40 +0200
Subject: INVALID
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 14 21:59:32 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:59:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405141959.i4EJxW377737@www.god-emil.dk>





>From: zeljko blace <zb at kein.org>


1. who the FUCK do you think you are talking to.
2. cutting a few corners - cut your self MOTHER FUCKER
3. placing the fascist MOTHER FUCKER Andreas Broeckmann in the same bio space as me may result
   in a supersocial revolution of his genome ... ditto for the other fascistic MOTHER FUCKERS mentioned 
   r a d i o q u a l i a, Brian Eno, ZKM's Jeffrey Shaw and Douglas I Reppeto.


>zeljko blace <zb at kein.org>

I spit on your pitiful existence - for the pleasure of it - fascist MOTHER FUCKER




>Dear NN,
>invite you individually

konsume more smiles - as all simply.superior art, eg. GOD, `NN` does not exist, needy MOTHER FUCKERS.

DG






>Dear NN,
>In the first week of June 2004 - Multimedia Institute (known through 
>it's MAMA club) will present small scale exhibition of artistic 
>software. This exhibition is cooperation with Andreas Broeckmann as a 
>part of the series of computer art exhibitions Multimedia Institute 
>organises annualy in collaboration with different international curators 
>(see short text bellow). This year with bad finnacial situation we are 
>cutting a few corrners and seting up an exhibition in slightly lower 
>scale. We would like to feature your work, but would not 
>be able to compensate you in finnacial means and can only offer in near 
>future to invite you individually to present your work in Zagreb and 
>send you publications made for exhibition + MAMA T-Shirt. 



>(co-curated with r a d i o q u a l i a again in the space of HDLU). As a 
>part of new.media.culture.week "CRITICAL UPGRADE" mi2 organised an 
>exhibition on Generative Art showing work of Brian Eno, ZKM's Jeffrey 
>Shaw and work of Douglas I Reppeto.
>
>To help us easily and present your work as best as possible please 
>answer these questions:
>
>    * What are technical requierements of the work:
>          o * prefered operating system (including info on version):
>          o * alternative system setup:
>          o * needed exstensions (like dependeny on quicktime or java -
>            version):
>          o * minimum hardware requierments:
>          o * prefered display resolution:
>          o * access to network (please list optimum and minimum
>            bandwith needed):
>    * can you provide us with most recent binary executable of your work
>      (sending url is enough) just for duration of exhibition?
>    * would you be interested in providing this binary or some other
>      version for distribution as Free/openSource software or Freeware
>      or Shareware or Commercial Demo?
>    * can you provide us with a link or text to a review of your work by
>      third party that you find well written and correct description
>      and/or critique?
>    * if your work is to be presented in small catalogue - which
>      picture/graphics would you like us to use?
>    * please send as an URL or short bio text that we can include in our
>      publication.
>
>for all additional info please send email to Zeljko.Blace at mi2.hr 
><mailto:Zeljko.Blace at mi2.hr>
>
>Best wishes on behalf of Multimedia Institute in Zagreb, CROATIA Zeljko 
>Blace











From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 14 22:01:40 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:01:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405142001.i4EK1eT77751@www.god-emil.dk>





>am looking for jail furniture 
>
>a whole jail for sale
>http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66405&item=4301254257&rd=1

perfekt. nn - simply devious






From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 14 22:55:27 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:55:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405142055.i4EKtRL77830@www.god-emil.dk>



>as all simply.superior art, eg. GOD, `NN` does not exist, needy MOTHER FUCKERS.

"America is the enemy of God," fighters shouted.

mhhm - how true + true. OCCIDENT IS THE ENEMY OF FAIRY TALES.
reality show MOTHER FUCKERS









From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 14 23:57:00 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:57:00 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <200405141959.i4EJxW377737@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405141959.i4EJxW377737@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040514234442.01fa7ec0@pop.free.fr>

At 21:59 14/05/2004, you wrote:
>mentioned
>    r a d i o q u a l i a, Brian Eno, ZKM's Jeffrey Shaw and Douglas I 
> Reppeto.

I agree Brian Eno is specially overrated and a tired reference
still, he's less of a dimwit than DJ "Monsieur Paul" Spooky

f. 



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 15 09:40:40 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:40:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405150740.i4F7eek81168@www.god-emil.dk>



>At 21:59 14/05/2004, you wrote:
>>mentioned
>>    r a d i o q u a l i a, Brian Eno, ZKM's Jeffrey Shaw and Douglas I 
>> Reppeto.
>
>I agree Brian Eno is specially overrated and a tired reference
>still, he's less of a dimwit than DJ "Monsieur Paul" Spooky

mmm. DJ "DUMB FUCK" Spooky



Paul D. Miller, another 2 bit jankee prostitute


>Yeah. 

Suck it & see.
Salute me.


>Most drugs come out of either military or biological or 
>pharmaceutical research. 

+ that they are digested by the Amerikan Public Education System
reveals the dynamics of modern art




>They're like military applications to 
>condition troops for different environments. A lot of research into 
>painkillers was done in World War II -- imagine the kind of pain you 
>feel when there are bullets flying over your head and your leg gets 
>shattered. 


Dearest Paul, 

Friendly caress on your m9nd konta!nr

Since the United Snakes of Amerika Public Education System is 
simply.laughable + inferior to the Eastern European Education System 
allow me to share select biological phenomena which "WHITEY" didn't teach you
[you may care to contemplate why]. In doing so I hope
to minimize the progress Ameri.cans such as your itchy bitchy self
bring to international shores.

I read you listen [an extra friendly caress on your m9nd konta!nr]

When "bullets flying over your head and your leg gets shattered"
one does not feel pain but fear. This, because nature more
creative than Americans is and ensures one does not
consciously concern oneself with pain until one is out of danger.
[elucidates my simply.delicious comportment towards American refuse worldwide aussi]

Thus, during  "bullets flying over your head and your leg gets shattered"
naturally occurring opiate blockers are released which ensure one
feels just dandy ...

A bit as Paul D. Miller, aka simply.amicable 40 year old black boy,
is protected by the 40 year old NETTIME white boys [sucking the itchy bitchy
with great ardor], from my equally amicable caresses.



>pax 

pax americana - jumbo sized opiate blocker





>Yeah. 

Merciful natural analgesic.

Should the very cute but ignorant social butterfly
desire playing with real boys ... let's synchronize our powerbooks
Real boys play for power.











-

To: "Paul D. Miller" <djspooky at djspooky.com>
Subject: E very ideology is contrary to human psychology        Re: allo zk

>yawn - 

Good Morning Paul



>not exactly sure what this is about... 

http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/00.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/02.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/02.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/04.gif.hTmL


E very ideology is contrary to human psychology 
P aul


>but this kind of 
>message is boring.

Women can be boring [NN included]
but generally speaking, their lives are more interesting than that of nations. 
This we deduce from the countless scaffolds and altars erected by miserable men
on a day of revelation




>Paul

Some endure to this day.


>yawn - 

Good Morning Paul

Let us celebrate reason together. Are you ready to fall
Good. The free mind readily accepts what is necessary.

Democracy is a form of Christianity sans superior justification.
As Nietzsche indicated: he who has liberated his mind still has to purify himself.

The mechanized hordes you call to blind v iolence -
and it they call their strength. They have the authority
but refuse to sign THEIR name. As a result of this cycle,
race after race has metamorphosed into a special blundering
for power for mediocre men. Duty, a biology for domestic use 
is the only divinity. 

This is what is unforgivable in you.
You are free.



>>  >the elections are just around the corner.
>>  >
>>  >Do you really want a war?
>>  >
>>  >Do you really like Bush Jr.?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Do you really want a f*cked up world indebted to oil?
>>  >
>>  >yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
>>  >least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
>>  >one way or another...
>>  >Paul


Soft caress

because great are the ends which are abolished and articulate is the system which freed 
you Paul

et aussi - http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b5c98/zekuensz/3.gif.hTmL




one thing is - Damocles never danced better than beneath the sword









>============================================================================
>"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe 
>they are free...."
>Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>
>
>Port:status>OPEN
>wildstyle 
>
>Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid




                       and another is - free for what






Lucian  [who dreams of lies  
                                (bkz freedom != !mportant. hap!nesz != !mportnt. ____... ur turn









>>"Paul D. Miller" <djspooky at djspooky.com>
>>
>>
>>  >Just a reminder...
>>
>>f!k artworld spook! boog! bullsh*t profan!t! 2 b!t mar!oneta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >>yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
>>  >>least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
>>  >>one way or another...
>>
>>b!t l!ke ur !tch! b!tch! zkratch! znatch!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >Paul
>>
>>  perfa mar!oneta 4 dze 2 b!t jankee pedagog!e
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >Do you really want
>>
>>on a prakt!kl lvl m! konzt!tut!v komponentz = uant ur !tch! b!tch! 
>>zkr!tch! znatch!
>>komponentz on a float tangenta
>>
>>Just a reminder...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >f!ck artworld "new agey" bullsh*t and actually do
>>  >something...
>>  >
>>  >the elections are just around the corner.
>>  >
>>  >Do you really want a war?
>>  >
>>  >Do you really like Bush Jr.?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Do you really want a f*cked up world indebted to oil?
>>  >
>>  >yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
>>  >least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
>>  >one way or another...
>>  >Paul
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >ps, below is one reminder why you should vote....
>>
>>
>>
>>!tch! b!tch! zkr!tch! z!!!!!!k jankeez
>>
>>du b!zt ez
>
>
>
>============================================================================
>"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe 
>they are free...."
>Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>
>
>Port:status>OPEN
>wildstyle access: www.djspooky.com
>
>Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid







>befor i kick in you head

letz dr!v mizter yanki kr!ket






ue.ll z uho !z uear!ng dze trouzerz
















good ztr!kez l!ke dze thundrbolt
[!n zerv!sz ov v!rtue b!enzur

+ a b!t ov ultra v!olensz
= l!ghtz up juzt!sz
l!ke a flash ov hap!nesz

z - dze ztarz = sh!n!ng br!!!!!!!!!!ghhhhht


[bkz ! = !n dze mood

phpz !.ll tear out dze!r tonguez
+ dze! u!l konfusz !t u!th plzr

bkz ! refer 2 m! zelv
az abztrakt prov!densz

+ ! m dze reuard ov m! oun re!gn
u!th no reuard but h!ztor! + dze prezent

bkz ! d!zl!ke pouer - uat an apal!ng !dea
+ ! m kruel + u!cked

+ !f ! rezort 2 pure reazon !t = 2 z!lensz m! zelv
+ ! m !n dze mood

! hav a zoz!al kontrakt
! kanot akzept dz!ngz az dze! r
bkz ! m !n a mood feroc!ouz
+ ! uant dzm brokn + !mposzd upon
b! dze lau ov konkrete klar!t!

fa!th !z not enough
a pol!sz forsz !z needed az uel

! uant ur m!zer! 2 flour!sh
az a god

!m tak!ng u uear u uant 2 b

l!ke a balloon ov heaven empt!

and I u!l b ur truth
I shl kreate u 4rom dze ordr ov dz!ngz

u shl b good

and u shl obe! m!


4 I m u

+ u shl dr!nk m! 2 dze  

lazt













From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 15 09:43:02 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:43:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405150743.i4F7h2f81172@www.god-emil.dk>


>From: "-*_.+*-" <jlinds at artic.edu>
>User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208)
>X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: integer at www.god-emil.dk
>Subject: Re: [syndicate]
>References: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974 at www.god-emil.dk>
>In-Reply-To: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974 at www.god-emil.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
>
>>very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS
>>  
>>
>and it is racism and ignorance like this which led American troops to 
>film themselves torturing people


mda. resume having a FUCKING seat jankee MOTHER FUCKER






>From: Diana McCarty <diana at vifu.de>
>Subject: Re: [syndicate] \\ 01 faze ov m! breez! perzonal!t!

>Is the 01 faze racist? 

zkrrrr aaaaaa mmhhhhhhhhhhh

1x c!nematograf!k u!tch
!z l!k!ng m! forepauz


>If I read this, 

blood zta!nd pearl! beachez azez dze !r!tant


>only that come through 

dezp!t dze zml ov m!lk


>and 

daun ov zal!va flouerz



>I read you. 

u muzt bathe !n zl!ghtl! kolord ac!dz !nzted



>Dissappointing somehow.. less than breez!

zm!lz. u _knou ! l!v 2 plz uhorez


>diana

l!ke u




dze kutl f!sh t t throuz out an o!l! zubztansz + dze zea changez klr

m! velvet pauz r full ov koper shav!ngz beze!g!ng dze brouz ov klerkz 

\
\


>Is the 01 faze racist? 

01nz 8th zalt z!mpoz!um kondenzat haz adornd mult! tut! raz!al pa!nt!ngz uorld u!de 
kare 2 z - dze!r e!ez r moztl! klozd tzo dze! uont gl!mpz ur t!me ve!ld e!ez

lv makez uz !nv!z!bl + zekz!zt [+ age!zt + kont!nouz + z!mpl!.!nzenz!t!v 2 an! pa!n

krrrruel + u!kedl! orange laughtr





\\ zeat beltz - faztn dzm. ! dr!v m a d llllllllllllllll!!!!!





!n dz!sz !ndez!rafarbl lab!r!nth 4 dze 01 readr u!ch kontrad!ktz dze t!tl
dze !dea ov juzt!sz !z dze !luz!on ov progresz










From fmadre at free.fr  Sat May 15 13:03:10 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:03:10 +0200
Subject: Metal art workshop
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040515130040.01e250d8@pop.free.fr>

from croatia
http://vrbanus.com/beetle.htm

f.



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 15 16:01:33 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 16:01:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405151401.i4FE1X381571@www.god-emil.dk>



"I'm not scared," said Ahmed Ali, who sells Turkish lace from a shop in the shrine district. 
"In Iraq, we are addicted to war."


simply.seksi++






From margrz at zrc-sazu.si  Sat May 15 17:14:28 2004
From: margrz at zrc-sazu.si (Marina Grzinic)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:14:28 +0200
Subject: BOOK NEWS FROM LJUBLJANA: The Future of Computer Arts
Message-ID: <0c4001c43a8f$5134b6c0$1678fea9@mars>

The Future of Computer Arts
& The History of the International Festival of Computer Arts, Maribor

1995-2004

 

Edited by

Marina Grzinic

 

Published by 

MASKA, Ljubljana

MKC, Maribor 

2004

 

 

 

The Future of Computer Arts has been conceived as a theoretical-activist  dispositif that aims on one hand to reflect the 10th anniversary of the International Festival of Computer Arts, which began in 1995 in Maribor,  and on the other as a critical and political matrix of the state of affairs in computer arts, new media and new information/communication technology. It aims to be a foundation reader in this field. The book consists of three parts.  It opens as a  spatio-temporal dispositif of thinking, working and acting with, through, and beyond the field of new media and new information/ communication technology, toward the esthetical, political and social. The first part of the book clearly shows that there exist several histories of technology, numerous strategies for developing communities, open sources and exchange modes, where  knowledge can be used for political and strategic options. 

 

In the second part of the book hundreds of names and projects, artists and groups, fake names and world renowned stars from the new technological milieu are presented. In past years the Festival developed archives more similar to unstable zones of facts, data and moves. 

 

The third part describes, analyzes and documents one of the most important strategic points of the International Festival of Computers Arts, being not just a space of representation, but a space of  active exchange,  research and connections between students, professors, educational and research institutions. In such a manner, the book closes with the opening of possible future   international collaborations between different educational institutions and new generations of students.   

 

Marina Grzinic

 

THE FUTURE OF COMPUTER ARTS

(CONTENTS)

 

PART ONE: TECHNOLOGY BETWEEN ACTIVISM, THEORY, LIFE, KNOWLEDGE AND LABOR

 

Konrad Becker: Culture, Conflict and Control in the Infosphere 


0100101110101101.ORG: Nikeplatz: Guerrilla marketing or collective hallucination?

 

Sefik Seki Tatlic: Dispersion of the Virtual into the New Democracy
Or Fake Articulations of the Public Sphere

 

Armin Medosch: Not Just Another Wireless Utopia: Developing the social protocols of free networking

 

Janez Strehovec: From Work of Art to Artistic Service

Marina Grzinic: Global capitalism and the genetic paradigm of culture 

Mojca Puncer: Allegories of Angelic Bodies
 
 
Rosa Reitsamer: Black Culture - White Nature
 

Ralo Mayer and Philipp Haupt: Gothenburg N.B.

STELARC: Prosthetic head: intelligence, awareness and agency

Interview with the Prosthetic Head  by Stelarc

 

PART  TWO: HISTORY OF THE MARIBOR INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL OF COMPUTER ARTS  1995 - 2003

PART THREE: EXCHANGE, RESEARCH AND CONNECTIONS BETWEEN STUDENTS, PROFESSORS AND EDUCATIONAL-RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS

1. Ljubljana: Fine Arts Academy at IFCA (1998 - 2004)

 

2. Maribor: Department of Fine Arts, Faculty of Education, University of Maribor

 

3. Vienna: Conceptual (Art) Practices at the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna
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From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 16 06:13:57 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 00:13:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: heh happy days
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 16 07:29:44 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 07:29:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405160529.i4G5Tip82941@www.god-emil.dk>




http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040516/D82JDKF00.html



2 funny








From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May 17 00:41:05 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 00:41:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405162241.i4GMf5C83887@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,354601,00.jpg
well .. you probably recognize Rumsfeld

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,353792,00.jpg
and that's Tarantino at the moment at the Cannes film festival (he's 
in the jury)











From noemata at kunst.no  Mon May 17 06:51:15 2004
From: noemata at kunst.no (noemata)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 06:51:15 +0200
Subject: g.9
Message-ID: <200405170451.i4H4pFpo027736@kunst.no>






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From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 02:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: regedit p.-lestinic 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405170257320.12715@panix3.panix.com>




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From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 16 20:16:24 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: The Principle of Double Traumatization
Message-ID: <40A777B8.26008.D06016@localhost>

In the period immediately following the September 11 tragedy, our 
organization (Raccoon Inc) received a lot of calls from our post-
Yugoslav constituencies, experiencing high levels of anxiety and 
anguish. Indeed, that first week following the attacks, New York 
looked a lot like Sarajevo looked after the market square massacre. 
So, they were afraid that the  war, that they hoped they escaped, 
followed them in their new safe haven. 
(http://balkansnet.org/nada.html)

Apparently, the same is now, following the erruption of the Abu 
Ghraib torture scandal, for the immigrants in the US, who were 
granted asylum here fleeing torture and abuse in their home 
countries: they feel terrified. Because, if Americans are behaving 
just as bad as their countrymen, how can they possibly feel safe 
here?

ivo
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These numbers might be ten times larger if we consider all of 
those/us who suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome as a result 
of domestic torture/rape/abuse.

The Minneapolis Center for Victims of Torture website, which includes
info about current human rights violations & calls for action, is at:
http://www.cvt.org/main.php

For more info about the NYU/Bellevue program, see:
http://www.survivorsoftorture.org/survivors/


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/15/nyregion/15torture.html?pagewanted=a
ll&position=

May 15, 2004
Once Tortured, Now Tormented by Photos
By NINA BERNSTEIN

The moment the television in his small Bronx apartment began to flash
pictures of naked prisoners and grinning guards, Jean Pierre Kamwa
switched it off and went to bed. But like many immigrants who sought
American asylum from torture, Mr. Kamwa, who fled Cameroon in 1999,
said the photographs unleashed a storm of fear and memory that would
not let him sleep.

In the dark, he said, he relived his days as a student activist in
Cameroon, when soldiers from the ruling party imposed martial law. 
Mr.
Kamwa, 34, was repeatedly detained without trial, threatened with
death, and tortured with beatings that damaged his body and seared 
his
mind. After settling in New York, he chose to help victims like
himself as a social service caseworker.

In daylight, he said, he found himself coping with a spike in
anguished calls from his caseload of refugees who had suffered 
similar
abuse at the hands of jailers - the weeping Bulgarian woman in
Brooklyn, the frightened Tibetan man in Queens. Many of them said the
images from Iraq awoke old traumas from distant penal systems, scars
that never healed and that flash easily into pain. For some, the Abu
Ghraib stories even ignited fears for their own safety from an
American government suddenly cast in a harsh new light.

"They don't feel secure anymore," Mr. Kamwa told doctors at the 
Bellevue/N.Y.U. Program for Survivors of Torture, where he himself 
was
treated. "They ask, 'Where to go, how can they be safe in the 
world?'"

There are an estimated 400,000 survivors of foreign torture living in
the United States, and those who work with survivors say about a
quarter of them live in the New York area. While others may debate 
the
fine points of interrogation and the reach of international law, 
these
survivors are now encountering a new dimension of fear, according to
doctors and counselors in the network of specialized torture 
treatment
centers across the country.

"There was a sense of horror and disbelief," said Dr. Allen S. 
Keller,
the director of the program at Bellevue Hospital Center, which 
treated
more than 600 people from 70 countries last year, and gets 5 to 10 
new
referrals a week. "These are individuals who came to this country
seeking safety. We owe it to the torture survivors living in our
country not to condone or practice it."

Rachel Tschida, a spokeswoman for the Center for the Victims of
Torture in Minneapolis, the first such center in the world when it
opened in 1985, said the assumptions of torture victims about America
have suddenly been thrown into question. "The overwhelming feeling,
frankly, is heartbreak," she said.

No city has a higher concentration of torture survivors than New 
York,
where Sept. 11, 2001, and its aftermath already undermined confidence
in the United States as a safe harbor in a violent world. Many, like
Mr. Kamwa, went through additional trauma during months in a 
detention
center near Kennedy Airport before winning political asylum.

But it has been much the same this week in Fridley, Minn., for 
Richard
Oketch, a 53-year-old public school teacher who said he suddenly 
found
his suburban house no refuge from fresh flashbacks to torture 
chambers
in Idi Amin's Uganda.

"It brought me back to where I was - the bodies on the floor, the
naked bodies," said Mr. Oketch, a former patient and current board
member of the torture victims center in Minneapolis. "It's difficult
to comprehend that that can be done by the United States, because it
represents the values that people are looking for - human rights,
safety, security. The first reaction is, it cannot be."

He has been awake until 4 a.m. night after night, he said, reading
stacks of his children's picture books to battle the tormenting 
images
from his past. But a single glance at his subscription copy of Time
magazine, which showed a sketch of a hooded prisoner on its cover,
sent him spiraling back to his own ordeal. Besides being hooded,
beaten and bayoneted, Mr. Oketch, whose family was prominent in
opposition to the Ugandan dictatorship, said he was forced to clean
away dead bodies and mop blood from torture rooms where others were
mutilated.

"I got lost," said Mr. Oketch, whose testimony before Congress in the
mid-1990's helped win passage of federal grants for torture treatment
centers like the one in Minneapolis he credits with winning back his
life. "I didn't expect it at all. It took me a few days to come back
and realize, maybe it's just like where I was, a few people involved,
it's not the entire United States."

The nation's 23 torture treatment centers received $10 million in
federal funds last year, and Congress has authorized - though not yet
appropriated - an increase to $25 million. Additional money goes to
the United Nations for similar centers it helps finance abroad. But
some veterans in the field are now haunted by the prospect that
survivors of torture at American hands could one day be among their
clients.

"You don't get a lot of second chances to build trust with this 
population," said Paul Stein, executive director of the Rocky 
Mountain
Survivors Center in Denver, where the Abu Ghraib revelations changed
the course of a women's support group on family issues, veering the
discussion into anguished accounts of violence and humiliation. "The
country that they trusted to offer them safety and to help explain
torture is now the country that is perpetrating torture."

Some reject that conclusion. "I don't feel like the standard of the
U.S. government has changed," said a Tibetan artist in New York who 
is
still awaiting a decision on his application for asylum and asked 
that
only his first name, Samten, be published.

Yes, he said through a translator, he had been deeply disturbed by 
the
picture of a pile of naked prisoners and an Iraqi on a leash. "I felt
sorry for them," he said. "I was shocked. I never thought prisoners 
of
war would be treated like that."

But then he decided it was the work of a few and tried to put it out
of his mind, he said, holding out his hands to reveal scarred and
pocked palms. Chinese soldiers burned them in an oven, he explained;
doctors at Bellevue, America's oldest public hospital, saved them 
with
surgery.

The scars still burn sometimes, Samten said. The nightmares still
come. "But I am making art again," he said. "And I still believe in
America."

So do some whose faith takes different tack. In a French-speaking
group therapy session run by Hawthorne E. Smith, co-director of
clinical services at the Bellevue program, several West African men
voiced the hope that the full truth will come out in the United 
States
in ways that it never could in their own lands.

Many doctors who treat torture victims have warned for months that 
the
United States was dangerously disregarding the hard-won international
conventions against torture. They were distressed, they said, that
government officials have asserted that interrogation techniques like
"water boarding" - immersing a detainee in water and making him
believe he is going to drown - stops short of torture.

"Make no mistake, that's torture," Dr. Keller said, recalling the
patient from the Ivory Coast who had suffered just such treatment at
the hands of a military faction. Years later, just taking a shower or
being caught in the rain, he would panic and gasp for breath.

Sitting beside him, Mr. Kamwa, an alumnus of the program, closed his
eyes as though in pain, and rubbed the furrows on his brow. "My skin
crawls when I just talk about it," he said softly in French.

"I come here to have a safe place, to be out of these tortures," Mr.
Kamwa said. "But it is still in my heart in America to speak for 
human
rights."


Caption for accompanying illustration (not attached):
Jean Pierre Kamwa, center, with Hawthorne E. Smith, left, and Dr.
Allen S. Keller, who run a New York program for torture victims.
(Marilynn K. Yee/The New York Times)

------- End of forwarded message -------------------------------------
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Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org



From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 16 21:19:15 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 15:19:15 -0400
Subject: following orders
Message-ID: <40A78673.14125.109EBE5@localhost>

Thinking about the Abu Ghraib fallout:

>>Asked by an immigration judge if he had participated in ethnic 
cleansing, Konstantinovic [a Serb in Florida facing deportation for 
participating in ethnic cleansing in the Balkans] said, ``Yes. I had 
to go and do the shooting. Your honor, I wasn't even looking. I 
wasn't looking where I was shooting. I had to shoot.''<<

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/7467176.htm?1c

They all just follow orders when it comes to facing responsibility 
and consequences for their actions, don't they? I wonder if their 
superiors ordered them to shoot themselves in their feet, would they 
do it, or are they following orders only when the OTHERS are at the 
harm's end...

ivo



From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 16 20:16:24 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: (Fwd) FYI: Tourists and Torturers (Luc Sante, in the NY Times)
Message-ID: <40A777B8.18761.D061C5@localhost>

this is true of any war anywhere - serbs, bosnians, croats, and 
albanians did the same to each other in the balkans - and there are 
trophy pictures on all sides. the less blody sexual humiliation 
employed by the US here is more rare, because it implies LIMITS - and 
therefore it is inconsistent with rogue acts of individual soldiers: 
such acts would not stop at just controlled abuse - controlled abuse 
means following orders, which I am convinced will, ultimately, bring 
Bush administration down.
ivo


------- Forwarded message follows -------
May 11, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Tourists and Torturers
By LUC SANTE

So now we think we know who took some of the photographs at Abu
Ghraib. The works attributed to Specialist Jeremy Sivits are fated to
remain among the indelible images of our time. They will have changed
the course of history; just how much we do not yet know. It is
arguable that without them, news of what happened within the walls of
that prison would never have emerged from the fog of classified
internal memos. We owe their circulation and perhaps their existence
to the popular technology of our day, to digital cameras and JPEG
files and e-mail. Photographs can now be disseminated as quickly and
widely as rumors. It's possible that even if Specialist Joseph M.
Darby hadn't gone to his superiors in January and "60 Minutes II"
hadn't broken the story last month, some of those pictures would
sooner or later have found their way onto the Web and so into the
public record.

Leaving aside the question of how anyone could have perpetrated the
horrors depicted in those pictures, you can't help but wonder why
American soldiers would incriminate themselves by posing next to 
their
handiwork. Americans don't seem to have a long tradition of that sort
of thing. I can't offhand recall having seen comparable images from
any recent wars, although before the digital era amateur photographs
were harder to spread. There have been many atrocity photographs over
the years, of course — the worst I've ever seen were taken in Algeria
in 1961, and once when I was a child another kid found and showed off
his father's cache of pictures from the Pacific Theater in World War
II, which shook me so badly that I can't remember with any certainty
what they depicted. I'm pretty sure, though, that they did not show
anyone grinning and making self-congratulatory gestures.

The pictures from Abu Ghraib are trophy shots. The American soldiers
included in them look exactly as if they were standing next to a
gutted buck or a 10-foot marlin. That incongruity is not the least
striking aspect of the pictures. The first shot I saw, of Specialist
Charles A. Graner and Pfc. Lynndie R. England flashing thumbs up
behind a pile of their naked victims, was so jarring that for a few
seconds I took it for a montage. When I registered what I was seeing,
I was reminded of something. There was something familiar about that
jaunty insouciance, that unabashed triumph at having inflicted misery
upon other humans. And then I remembered: the last time I had seen
that conjunction of elements was in photographs of lynchings.

In photographs that were taken and often printed as postcards in the
American heartland in the first four decades of the 20th century,
black men are shown hanging from trees or light fixtures or maybe
being burned alive, while below them white people are laughing and
pointing for the benefit of the camera. There are some pictures of
whites being lynched, too, but these tend not to feature the holiday
crowd. Often the spectators at lynchings of African-Americans are so
effusive in their mugging that they all seem to be vying for credit.
Before seeing such pictures you might expect the faces in them to
express some kind of collective rage; instead the mood is giddy, 
often
verging on hysterical, with a distinct sexual undercurrent.

Like the lynching crowds, the Americans at Abu Ghraib felt free to
parade their triumph and glee not because they were psychopaths but
because the thought of censure probably never crossed their minds. In
both cases a contagious collective frenzy perhaps overruled the
scruples of some people otherwise known for their gentleness and
sympathy — but isn't the abandonment of such scruples possible only 
if
the victims are considered less than human? After all, it is one 
thing
for a boxer to lift his hands over his head in triumph beside the
fallen body of his rival, quite another to strike a comparable pose
next to the bodies of strangers you have arranged in
quasi-pornographic tableaus. The Americans in the photographs are not
enacting hatred; hatred can coexist with respect, however strained.
What they display, instead, is contempt: their victims are merely
objects.

It is conceivable that such events might have occurred in a war in
which the enemy looked like us —certainly, there are Americans to 
whom
all foreigners are irredeemably Other. Still, it is striking how, in
wartime, a fundamental lack of respect for the enemy's body becomes 
an
issue only when the enemy is perceived as being of another race. You
might have heard about the strings of human ears collected by some
soldiers in Vietnam, or read the story, reported in Life during World
War II, about the G.I. who blithely mailed his girlfriend in Brooklyn
a Japanese skull as a Christmas present. And the concept of the human
trophy is not restricted to warfare, but permeates the history of
colonialism, from the Congo to Australia, Mexico to India. Treating
those we deem our equals as game animals, however, has been out of
fashion for quite a few centuries.

Of course the violence at Abu Ghraib was primarily psychological —
hey, only a few people were killed — and the trophies were pictorial,
like the results of a photo safari. Some commentators have made a
point of noting this very relative nonviolence, contrasting it with
the lynching of the four American military contractors in Falluja 
last
month. This line of argument is notable for what it leaves out: there
is a difference between the rage of a people who feel themselves
invaded and the contempt of a victorious nation for a civilian
population whom it has ostensibly liberated.

That prison guards would pose captives — primarily noncombatants,
low-level riffraff — in re-enactments of cable TV smut for the 
benefit
of their friends back home emerges from the mode of thinking that has
prevented an accounting of civilian deaths in Iraq since the 
beginning
of the war. If civilian deaths are not recorded, let alone published,
it must be because they do not matter, and if they do not matter it
must be because the Iraqis are beneath notice. And that must mean 
that
anything done to them is permissible, as long as it does not create
publicity that would embarrass the Bush administration. The possible
consequences of the Abu Ghraib archive are numerous, many of them
horrifying. Perhaps, though, the digital camera will haunt the future
career of George W. Bush the way the tape recorder sealed the fate of
Richard Nixon.

Luc Sante, who teaches creative writing and the history of 
photography
at Bard College, is the author of "Low Life," "Evidence" and "The
Factory of Facts."



_____________________________________________________

------- End of forwarded message -------



From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 16 20:16:25 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:16:25 -0400
Subject: well connected
Message-ID: <40A777B9.14682.D06586@localhost>

Former US Secretary of State Madeline Albright (today better known as 
"Albright Group") became the special adviser of the IPKO's president. 
IPKO (ipko.net) is the principal Internet service provider in Kosovo. 
Isn't that interesting? What exactly is her expertise in that area? 
This just suggests how everything in that region is still ruled by 
the byzantine needs of politics, instead of the logic of profit.

ivo
---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org



From loy at myrealbox.com  Mon May 17 16:42:53 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (__lo-y. )
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:42:53 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: *The rulez of love*
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040517164116.01e30ec0@logosfoundation.org>


>
>*The rulez of love*
>
>Artikel 1: uitdrukking van de liefde:
>
>DE ZOEN
>
>1. Kus op de hand.
>ik vereer je.
>
>2. Kus op de wang .
>k wil dat we alleen maar vrienden zijn.
>
>3. Kus in de nek.
>ik wil je.
>
>4. Kus op de lippen.
>ik hou van jou.
>
>5. Kus op het oor .
>ik speel maar met je.
>
>6. Een blik in je ogen.
>kiss me!!!
>
>7. Met je haar spelen.
>zonder jou kan ik niet leven.
>
>8. Handen om je taille.
>Ik hou veel te veel van je om je te laten gaan.
>
>Artikel 2: de drie stappen:
>
>1.Girls: als een boy je brutaal probeert te versieren sla hem.
>
>2.Guy: als je door een meisje geslagen wordt dan zoen haar.
>
>3.Guys and girls: Ogen dicht bij het zoenen -wie kijkt mist iets...
>
>Artikel 3: de voorschriften
>
>1. De lippen niet te hard op elkaar persen.
>
>2. Je mag niet om een zoen vragen. Zoen gewoon of laat het.
>
>3. Zoen bij elke gelegenheid.
>
>__---*Denk er aan *---___
>
>
>
>A peach is a peach,
>a plum is a plum,
>a kiss aint a kiss
>without some tongue,
>so open up your mouth,
>and close your eyes,
>and give your tongue some exercise!
>
>___---*Nu de consequenties*---___
>
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>***
>**
>*
>
>Als je deze kettingbrief verbreekt zal je pech in je verkering hebben. Als 
>je hem niet afbreekt, zal je veel geluk in de liefde hebben.
>
>___---*Gefeliciteerd!*---___
>
>
>
>Je wordt uitgekozen om aan de LANGSTE GELUKKIGSTE kettingbrief in het 
>internet deel te nemen. Als je dit een keer gelezen hebt moet je deze mail 
>METEEN (en dat wil zeggen binnen een uur ) aan 5 andere personen 
>doorsturen. Nadat je dat gedaan hebt moet je je iets wensen en het zal dan 
>binnen een paar dagen uitkomen,
>
>Afhankelijk van het uur waarin je deze brief verstuurd hebt. Als je het 
>bijvoorbeeld om 21:00 uur verstuurt dan zal het binnen 21 dagen uitkomen.
>
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>
>*JE MAG NIET TOT EEN BEPAALDE TIJD WACHTEN VOORDAT JE DE BRIEF VERSTUURT! *
>
>*Denk er aan* : Je moet hem binnen een uur versturen anders komt je wens 
>niet uit.
>
>
>
>___---*WAARSCHUWING*---___
>
>Als je deze brief niet aan iemand anders doorstuurt zal er iets ergs 
>gebeuren.
>
>___---*LET OP*---___
>
>Aan hoe meer mensen je deze brief verstuurt des te meer geluk zal je in de 
>liefde hebben. Als je deze kettingbrief verbreekt zal je 7 jaar lang 
>ongeluk in de liefde hebben.
>
>___~~~*HAVE Fun!*~~~___



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Tue May 18 02:17:50 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 02:17:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405180017.i4I0Ho386325@www.god-emil.dk>



joshua goldberg - another obese Cycling74 doll


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http://www.immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/vladimir.jpg
http://www.immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/i%5dLy+Tz.jpg



>joshua goldberg

SP IT in your simply.inferior fat ass criminal MOTHER FUCKING jankee genome











From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 18 05:26:46 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Cutting the Timber  
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405172326370.27468@panix3.panix.com>



Cutting the Timber

A man lay down across the threshold of the kitchen outside, head within.
He was to represent the saw. Two players now took hold of his feet
outside, while two others caught his head and shoulders in the kitchen.
They pulled against one another, forward and backwards, as if they were
sawing wood, until one pair proved too strong for the other.

- Irish Wake Amusements, Sean O Suilleabhain, Mercier, cork, 1967, p. 82.


_


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Tue May 18 06:09:22 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:09:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405180409.i4I49MC86572@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread49971/pg1








From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 18 08:09:36 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 02:09:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: neworld.png
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405180209270.7310@panix3.panix.com>



neworld.png

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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 18 08:16:59 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 02:16:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: neworld.png 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405180216480.7702@panix3.panix.com>



neworld.png

the ocean divides one world from another.
there is no gravity in division.
worlds bracket the ocean.
new worlds bracket old oceans and new oceans.
the horizon bends crazily with the disorientation of the wounded.
troop ships sank quickly in the frigid waters.
the _bow_ of the ship _ploughs_ a _furrow_ through the waters.
no one is present in this landscape.
no one is looking.

http://www.asondheim.org/infinity.inf

it is so clean i am sure you will be very happy.

_


From eric.m at bobig.com  Tue May 18 16:00:58 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:00:58 +0200
Subject: wahwah
Message-ID: <40AA171A.1060101@bobig.com>

http://www.bobig.com/photoblog/archives/002083.html



From hub at x-arn.org  Tue May 18 16:45:00 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (hub at x-arn.org)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:45:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <1025.82.65.40.213.1084891500.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>

This is not a cloned object

This is not a cloned object
 
This is not a cloned object

From: "HUB" <hub at x-arn.org>
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This is not a cloned object


The first purpose of this work is to provide a simplified access to
artworks contained in the Rhizome Artbase. Using Artbase parameters such
as art object identifiers, the work focuses on anonymity wich can emerge
from the relatively large amount of artworks. Furthermore, it's an
illustration of the possible relations between interfaces and a database
as described by Lev Manovich : "The new media object consists of one or
more interfaces to a database of multimedia material. If only one
interface is constructed, the result will be similar to a traditional art
object; but this is an exception rather than the norm."
(http://time.arts.ucla.edu/AI_Society/manovich.html).


http://www.x-arn.org/rhizome/






hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub







From a.ludovico at neural.it  Tue May 18 17:26:23 2004
From: a.ludovico at neural.it (Alessandro Ludovico)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:26:23 +0200
Subject: PEAM (Pescara Electronic Artists Meeting) 2004
Message-ID: <p06002009bccfdb9b79f5@[151.38.214.43]>

Takes off, from Wednesday the 19th to Sunday the 
23rd of May, the Peam (Pescara Electronic Artists 
Meeting) second edition, organised by the 
collective artificialia, in collaboration with 
the Art Café Ecoteca and many other Italian and 
international realities. The meeting - 
sponsored by the city itself - is run thanks to 
the contribution of many other public and private 
institutes, enterprises and factories.

The event - which spirit is aggregative and 
non-competitive - will call around artists who 
deals with music, visual arts, dance, theatre, 
sculpture and everything which spins around 
electronics used as a mean of expression and 
communication. The Peam2004 starts up after a 
successful preview, the opening of the multimedia 
exhibition "Butterfly Effect" run in the Museo 
Laboratorio of Città Sant'Angelo curated by 
Francesca Colasante, and that will be kept 
running during the meeting.

There will be something like 100 artists from all 
over the world in a five days meeting which is 
open to any age people and will be enriched by 
exhibitions, installations, performances, 
concerts, sculptures, robotics, workshops, and so 
on. The all thing will be showm  in 5 different 
placet:   Ecoteca, , Theatre Gruppo4, the Museo 
Laboratorio and the Railway Central lighted up at 
the all along  the Peam2004.

The meeting, divided in 8 sections (electronic 
music, video art, software art and hacktivism, 
net art, web art, and the "extra", "butterfly 
effect" and "placard at peam2004" special projects) 
is followed by 10 curators and directed by Luigi 
Pagliarini. The curators are: Andrea Gabriele & 
Francesco Tenaglia (electronic music), Valentina 
Tanni (video art), Alessandro Ludovico (software 
art + hacktivism), Luigi Pagliarini (extra 
project), Lele Luchetti & Nilo Casares (net art), 
Gianluca Del Gobbo (web art), Francesca Colasante 
(communication project), Eric Namour (Placard).

As for its first edition, the Peam2004 proposes 
such  a friendly and easy-going atmosphere where 
the "distance" between artists and people reduced 
to nothing.

Among the many events, the Peam2004 will propose 
the opening of the auction for the personal 
computer of the uruguayan artist Brian Mackern 
(which starts from 4.000 euros), a world-wide 
preview.

More info:
http://www.artificialia.com/Peam2004
peam2004 at artificialia.com
-- 


Alessandro Ludovico
Neural.it - http://neural.it/ daily updated news + reviews
English.Neural.it - http://english.neural.it/
Neural printed magazine - http://neural.it/n/nultimoe.htm



From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Tue May 18 18:40:03 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:40:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: seeking a room to rent in Luxembourg july-september
Message-ID: <63099.81.57.4.127.1084898403.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

hi,
i write on behalf of a friend,
who's gonna stay in Luxembourg from
july 1st to september 30th, 2004,
for a EU translation course ;
she seeks a room to rent
(shared flat, €300 maxi,
the nearer of EU quarters the better)
anyone having a proposal
would be most welcome !!

please answer me @
astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net,
& i'll will transmit.
thanks a lot for your attention.

kisses
astrëe



From mi_ga at o-o.lt  Tue May 18 20:28:30 2004
From: mi_ga at o-o.lt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4?=)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:28:30 +0200
Subject: 
Message-ID: <40AA55CE.1060304@o-o.lt>

some more carpet/?s
http://www.o-o.lt/mi_ga/carpet/?s

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# To: undisclosed-recipients:;
# Subject:
# Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:45:00 +0200 (CEST)


This is not a cloned object

This is not a cloned object

This is not a cloned object

From: "HUB" <hub at x-arn.org>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Reply-To: hub at x-arn.org
X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.12[cvs])
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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This is not a cloned object


The first purpose of this work is to provide a simplified access to
artworks contained in the Rhizome Artbase. Using Artbase parameters such
as art object identifiers, the work focuses on anonymity wich can emerge
from the relatively large amount of artworks. Furthermore, it's an
illustration of the possible relations between interfaces and a database
as described by Lev Manovich : "The new media object consists of one or
more interfaces to a database of multimedia material. If only one
interface is constructed, the result will be similar to a traditional art
object; but this is an exception rather than the norm."
(http://time.arts.ucla.edu/AI_Society/manovich.html).


http://www.x-arn.org/rhizome/






hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub



From rdh at vnatrc.com  Tue May 18 23:00:15 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:00:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <1025.82.65.40.213.1084891500.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>
References: <1025.82.65.40.213.1084891500.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>
Message-ID: <1201.80.8.203.21.1084914015.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

=>v.n.a.t.r.c.? präesentz tatata ;))

c tout ce que tu as à dire ?
c tout ce que tu as à dire ?  and after amount -->Society/manovich.html
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-- 
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May 18 20:46:33 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:46:33 +0200
Subject: Negri with Ballestrini  to Battisti and on amnesty
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Finally, Toni Negri in the French newspaper "Liberation" today, in the
column "Bounces": on Battisti and Italian refugees in France, release in the
question of the general amnesty of leftists in Italy.

Negri is important in this actual question, because he was living in France
during any years (as he records it in the article) and then he was returning
by himself in Italy to finish his punishment as it was a question only of
six years more (but it is always too much).

On Battisti we have made a painstaking job and the public hour comes maybe?
Let us wish it or we would see bad in which Europe we would soon make a
commitment, otherwise in Europe beforehand questionable and infiltrated by
the intervention of the secret services of the synarchies and the
oligarchies intricated, based on redoubtable past of Nations and NATO and
influencing a disturbing predictive present of the disappearance of the
European diversity.

Quote of the French text before my translation as it is relative, coming
from an automatic engine for the fastest rforward here.

Regards

A.

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Easy translation ( please verify or correct it ) from the article
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827

" The intellectuals who make the apology of the State of Italian right(law)
today, who existed according to them in the 70s, are blind, ignorant or
cynical. "
Liberation, Bounces


To Forgive Battisti, among others, would free the country of its ghosts of
the seventies.
In Italy, a political amnesty which does not pass.

By Nanni BALLESTRINI and Toni NEGRI on Tuesday, May 18th, 2004
Nanni Balestrini poet and novelist and Toni Negri philosopher


        On June 30th, the French justice should pronounce on the possible
extradition of Cesare Battisti, political refugee in France since 1981 and
on the run of its own country for acts committed in the 70s. The decision
was sent back after a first audience of the chamber of instruction on April
7th, date which made, for a certain number of us, sad and painful memories
reappear.

April 7th, 7th, 2004, was indeed the 25th anniversary of the arrest of about
sixty intellectuals and workers by the judge Calogero, who was in the time -
and who is even today - the public prosecutor of the city of Padoue. These
workers and these intellectuals were all accused of having organized a vast
movement within factories and universities which pushed in the " uprising
armed against the State " (an offence introduced into the Italian penal code
during the fascism, punished by the life imprisonment, and which was never
overruled since), and in particular to represent the brain of a political
organization the official facade of which would have been named " Autonomia
operaia " ( labor autonomy ), and the secret structure of which would have
been that of the Red Brigades. They were besides accused without proofs of
being the people in charge of nineteen murders, and in particular that of
the president of the Christian Democracy, Aldo Moro. After seven years,
while the accused persons had waited in prison for a lawsuit which finally
took place, these charges were totally abandoned, and almost all those who
had been imprisoned on April 7th, 1979 in prisons of high security were set
again at liberty having been totally cleared: they had thus made seven years
of prison in extreme conditions but received neither excuses nor
compensation on behalf of the Italian State.

Both authors of this text were among those whom the judge Calogero accused:
the first one managed supernaturally to avoid the confinement and lived
seven years in France before being totally settled and daring to return in
Italy; the second underwent four and a half years of preventive confinement,
then was afterward elected representative, what allowed himto go out of
prison, and finally took refuge with France during fourteen years, protected
by the doctrine Mitterrand, before returning in Italy voluntarily in 1997 to
purge the last six years of prison which remained in him to make. It is in
the light of this experience that we allow, today, to speak about the
historic and legal problem which puts the extradition of Cesare Battisti.

We read the indignant letters of certain intellectuals, journalists and
Italian magistrates: unlike what assert numerous French intellectuals, these
write that Italy of the 70s did not live civil war, And what the State of
Italian right did not thus have to use of laws of exception. The arguments
which they use seem to us nevertheless often forgetful, not to say more
ridiculous. Thus let us restart this history which was - so - ours.

The 70s represented an at the same moment vast and deep collective
experiment thanks to which two generations tried to eradicate props -
nevertheless unchanging seemingly - of the Italian society of the post-war
years. It is on this movement that it meant imposing new reports in the
family, in the sexuality, in the work, in the education, in the creation, in
the politics... But, while in the other countries of Europe the wave
provoked by 1968 had been integered inside institutions thanks to reforms
certainly more or less effective but which always took into account
requirements of the new generations, in Italy, on the contrary, an opaque
and corrupt political class, been used since the 50s to repress in the blood
the labor and peasant fights, refused at once everything dialogue with a
student movement which did not besides stop developing, and was bound more
and more in an enormous labor mobilization. Instead of opening in the
reforms for which asked a modern country (let us remember that it is in
these same years when the rights for the divorce and for the abortion were
conquered - against the will of the government in load), they preferred to
repress and to stop the demonstrators; and the custom of firearms on behalf
of police forces provoked of numerous died. At the same time, Italy
underwent what we called " a terrorism of State ", that is of numerous
murderous attacks organized by certain fringes of secret services having
escaped any control and by extreme right-wing small groups: there were thus
explosions on trains, bombs in banks and during trade-union meetings, during
real acts of terror having for end to generalize the fear and to force the
country to withdraw on moderate positions. We said that it was a " strategy
of the tension ": to destabilize to re-stabilize - and the deaths counted by
hundreds. In answer to it, a part of the movement gradually slid towards the
armed struggle and committed political murders: officers and producers,
journalists, union activists, politicians, magistrates... The State then
adopted an outfit of special laws which did not correspond doubtless
formally to a real State of exception, but which nevertheless allowed the
arrest and the preventive confinement of thousand persons during years ( the
legal limit was fixed to twelve years ), the usage of the torture, the
summary lawsuits completely built on prisoners' word to which it had been
promised that the freedom in exchange for confessions and which would have
anything invented to go out of prison. The data are sadly clear: 36 000
orders, 6 000 condemned persons, one thousand persons taken refuge abroad;
and those who think that all this is not true have only to go to glance at
the reports of Amnesty International of these same years.

Now it is not a question of saying that the 70s were not violent years, nor
to make profession of angelism. But Italy of post-68, it was also the
attempts of putsch, the infiltration of the masonic lodge P2 in the high
spheres of the State and the civil society ( should we remind that numerous
elements of the political class of this time are the same who are
protagonists of the public life of the peninsula today? ), the Atlantic
military structure "Gladio" which had surrouunded in secret the centres of
the power, the enormous scandal "Lockheed" which had soiled not only several
Ministers of the government in responsibility but also the President of the
Republic itself, forcing him to the resignation...

A diffuse and deep corruption, thus, which eventually appeared in full light
at the beginning of the 90s, and which provoked, at least formally, the
disappearance of the big Italian parties: the history of Tangentopoli is
from this point of view only the consequence of decades of dysfunctions and
bribes, subversion and lie, drift and secrets.

The 70s were all this - and not only, as some people want it to persuade, a
metropolitan "jacquerie" in which a small number of delirious fanatics,
totally cut by the reality and manipulated by occult powers, put in danger a
peaceful, quiet and calm democracy.

The repression of the movement of the 70s lasted during years. The time
passed. Many politicians recovered a virginity. The actors of the lead years
purged for their part up to the end, and sometimes excessively, their
condemnation - in prison for the majority of them, in exile for the others -
and only ones those who did not live the exile can deny that it is also, in
spite of appearances, about an exemplary and cruel punishment.

It is not a question here of saying that we were innocent. It is simply a
question of reminding that the laws by virtue of which we were imprisoned -
and, for some, condemned - were not normal laws; and that every man,
whatever it is, is entitled to a just justice. It is on this point that the
doctrine Mitterrand based its thought. In the case of the settled,
certainly: all those who were cleared having undergone the years of prison,
having lost their work and sometimes their family, underwent a justice
tragically grotesque; but in the case of the condemned persons, the
injustice is not less monstrous there.

The case of Adriano Sofri, condemned for twenty two years of prison, twenty
five years after the facts which are blamed him - and although it continues
desperately to proclaim itself innocent-, is the most sad example. Sofri is
innocent, but he was condemned during a lawsuit-river dotted with
contradictory declarations), with ambiguous witnesses, with proofs which
disappear, of uncalled-for or replaced judges, hoarse and redone judgments.
We allow only to add to all this: if Sofri had been guilty - and it is not
him-, this parody of justice to which he was subjected, and about which the
historian Carlo Ginzburg said very exactly that it looked like a real
lawsuit of witchcraft, it would be less monstrous?

Thirty years passed. The men changed. They recovered with difficulty a life
when they were able to do it. But this history, the history of which we do
not still manage to make, is a wound. After thirty years, while nothing is
more similar to what existed then - neither the persons, nor the historic
situation - has it another sense to want to punish? Is not there legal
prescription when souls and bodies became other, and when all their
existence is the proof? Do not we risk to transform the justice - the one
who was cruelly so lacking to the time - in a vengeance?

A vengeance which made of the eye for eye its creed, but which does not work
in the same way for all. The massacres provoked by the strategy of the
tension lived, for the greater part, unpunished. In the daytime of the
arrest of Battisti, the Italian judiciary decided to refuse, after thirty
years of successive lawsuits, the charges which charged certain extreme
right-wing leaders and people in charge of the secret services of the attack
of the Bank of the agriculture of Milan, in 1969: a bomb had provoked a real
bloodbath. The people in charge can sleep soundly, they do not need an
amnesty, they are already pardoned.

But, for the extreme left, no amnesty. This page of the history will not be
turned, because it would mean exactly that we finally agreed to worry the
real history. The Italian left refuses to make an amnesty by fear that
Berlusconi and his friends take advantage of it. Berlusconi and his friends
do not need it, they are autoamnistiés for a long time.

The intellectuals who make the apology of the State of Italian right today,
who existed according to them in the 70s, are blind, ignorant or cynical.
The doctrine Mitterrand had no big claims. It simply registered a
non-functioning of the justice and the impossibility of the Italian
political class to give political answers to a movement of contesting pushed
bit by bit to the extremism by the choice of the repression. The doctrine
Mitterrand allowed dozens persons to abandon the infernal spiral of the
appeal to weapons and to choose another life, another route. It is on this
base that it was confirmed by the governments of cohabitation which
succeeded one another from 1986, to begin with that in the head of which was
Jacques Chirac, then Prime Minister. In narrow connection with Italian
Caritas, the Church of France has, too, always supported firmly the
commitment which had been taken.

There is a problem of the political amnesty today for lead years. Some
people believe that the forgiveness is a weakness. We think, on the
contrary, that only the forgiveness is the measure of a real political
force, because only the forgiveness can allow Italy today to release itself
from ghosts of the 70s.

But, in Italy, all this is doubtless still impossible, because he(it) reigns
an opaqueness there which does not allow the history(story) to be made,
unless, as today, the direct actors decide - indeed in spite of them,
because there is no other possible solution - to resume(to take back) the
word. Italy of the XXIth century tries(feels) towards the lead years the
difficulty that France towards Vichy or towards the war of Algeria had for a
long time. We ask today that, as in France, this history(story) is written,
so that it stops finally being the taboo of the memory and the forgiveness.



>From a Translation Italian to French by Judith Revel in Liberation
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827


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"Les intellectuels qui font aujourd'hui l'apologie de l'Etat de droit
italien, qui existait selon eux dans les années 70, sont aveugles, ignorants
ou cyniques."

Libération, 18 mai.
Rebonds
Pardonner à Battisti, entre autres, libérerait le pays de ses fantômes des
années soixante-dix.
En Italie, une amnistie politique qui ne passe pas

Par Nanni BALLESTRINI et Toni NEGRI
mardi 18 mai 2004
Par
Nanni Balestrini poète
et romancier
et
Toni Negri philosophe




Le 30 juin, la justice française devrait se prononcer sur l'éventuelle
extradition de Cesare Battisti, réfugié politique en France depuis 1981 et
en fuite de son propre pays pour des actes commis dans les années 70. La
décision a été renvoyée après une première audience de la chambre
d'instruction le 7 avril, date qui a fait resurgir pour un certain nombre
d'entre nous des souvenirs tristes et douloureux.

Le 7 avril 2004, a en effet été le 25e anniversaire de l'arrestation d'une
soixantaine d'intellectuels et d'ouvriers par le juge Calogero, qui était à
l'époque ­ et qui est encore aujourd'hui ­ le procureur de la République de
la ville de Padoue. Ces ouvriers et ces intellectuels étaient tous accusés
d'avoir organisé un vaste mouvement au sein des usines et des universités
qui poussait à l'«insurrection armée contre l'Etat» (un délit introduit dans
le code pénal italien pendant le fascisme, puni par la réclusion à
perpétuité, et qui n'a jamais été abrogé depuis), et en particulier de
représenter le cerveau d'une organisation politique dont la façade
officielle aurait été nommée «Autonomia operaia» (autonomie ouvrière), et
dont la structure clandestine aurait été celle des Brigades rouges. Ils
étaient en outre accusés sans preuves d'être les responsables de dix-neuf
assassinats, et en particulier de celui du président de la Démocratie
chrétienne, Aldo Moro. Après sept ans, alors que les accusés avaient attendu
en prison un procès qui eut finalement lieu, ces accusations ont été
totalement abandonnées, et presque tous ceux qui avaient été incarcérés le 7
avril 1979 dans des prisons de haute sécurité ont été remis en liberté après
avoir été totalement blanchis : ils avaient donc fait sept ans de prison
dans des conditions extrêmes mais n'ont reçu ni excuses ni dédommagement de
la part de l'Etat italien.

Les deux auteurs de ce texte ont été au nombre de ceux que le juge Calogero
accusait : le premier a réussi miraculeusement à éviter l'incarcération et a
vécu sept ans en France avant d'être totalement acquitté et d'oser rentrer
en Italie ; le second a subi quatre ans et demi d'incarcération préventive,
puis a été par la suite élu député, ce qui lui a permis de sortir de prison,
et s'est enfin réfugié en France pendant quatorze ans, protégé par la
doctrine Mitterrand, avant de rentrer en Italie volontairement en 1997 pour
purger les six dernières années de prison qui lui restaient à faire. C'est à
la lumière de cette expérience que nous nous permettons, aujourd'hui, de
prendre la parole à propos du problème historique et juridique que pose
l'extradition de Cesare Battisti.

Nous avons lu les lettres indignées de certains intellectuels, journalistes
et magistrats italiens : au contraire de ce qu'affirment de nombreux
intellectuels français, ceux-ci écrivent que l'Italie des années 70 n'a pas
vécu de guerre civile, et que l'Etat de droit italien n'a donc pas eu à
utiliser de lois d'exception. Les arguments qu'ils utilisent nous semblent
pourtant souvent oublieux, pour ne pas dire ubuesques. Repartons donc de
cette histoire qui a été ­aussi ­la nôtre.

Les années 70 ont représenté une expérience collective à la fois vaste et
profonde à la faveur de laquelle deux générations ont cherché à déraciner
les piliers ­ pourtant immuables en apparence ­de la société italienne de
l'après-guerre. C'est à ce mouvement qu'il est revenu d'imposer de nouveaux
rapports dans la famille, dans la sexualité, dans le travail, dans
l'enseignement, dans la création, dans la politique... Mais, alors que dans
d'autres pays d'Europe la vague provoquée par 1968 avait été réabsorbée à
l'intérieur des institutions grâce à des réformes certes plus ou moins
efficaces mais qui tenaient toujours compte des exigences des nouvelles
générations, en Italie, au contraire, une classe politique opaque et
corrompue, habituée depuis les années 50 à réprimer dans le sang les luttes
ouvrières et paysannes, a refusé d'emblée tout dialogue avec un mouvement
étudiant qui ne cessait par ailleurs de se développer, et se liait de plus
en plus à une énorme mobilisation ouvrière. Au lieu de s'ouvrir aux réformes
que demandait un pays moderne (souvenons-nous que c'est dans ces mêmes
années que les droits au divorce et à l'avortement ont été conquis ­ contre
la volonté du gouvernement en charge), on a préféré réprimer et arrêter les
manifestants ; et l'usage des armes à feu de la part des forces de police a
provoqué de nombreux morts. Parallèlement, l'Italie a subi ce que l'on a
appelé «un terrorisme d'Etat», c'est-à-dire de nombreux attentats meurtriers
organisés par certaines franges des services secrets ayant échappé à tout
contrôle et par des groupuscules d'extrême droite : il y a donc eu des
explosions sur des trains, des bombes dans des banques et lors de meetings
syndicaux, de véritables actes de terreur ayant pour finalité de généraliser
la peur et de contraindre le pays à se replier sur des positions modérées.
On a dit que c'était une «stratégie de la tension» : déstabiliser pour
restabiliser ­ et les morts se sont comptés par centaines. En réponse à
cela, une partie du mouvement a progressivement glissé vers la lutte armée
et a commis des assassinats politiques : entrepreneurs, journalistes,
syndicalistes, hommes politiques, magistrats... L'Etat a alors adopté une
panoplie de lois spéciales qui ne correspondaient sans doute pas
formellement à un véritable Etat d'exception, mais qui ont malgré tout
permis l'arrestation et l'incarcération préventive de milliers de personnes
pendant des années (la limite juridique en était fixée à douze ans), l'usage
de la torture, des procès sommaires entièrement construits sur la parole de
détenus auxquels il avait été promis la liberté en échange de confessions et
qui auraient inventé n'importe quoi pour sortir de prison. Les données sont
tristement claires : 36 000 arrêtés, 6 000 condamnés, un millier de
personnes réfugiées à l'étranger ; et ceux qui pensent que tout cela n'est
pas vrai n'ont qu'à aller jeter un coup d'oeil dans les rapports d'Amnesty
International de ces mêmes années.

Or il ne s'agit pas de dire que les années 70 ont été des années non
violentes, ni de faire profession d'angélisme. Mais l'Italie de l'après-68,
c'était aussi les tentatives de coup d'Etat, l'infiltration de la loge
maçonnique P2 dans les hautes sphères de l'Etat et de la société civile
(faut-il rappeler que de nombreux éléments de la classe politique de
l'époque sont les mêmes qui sont aujourd'hui protagonistes de la vie
publique de la péninsule ?), la structure militaire atlantique Gladio qui
avait clandestinement investi les centres du pouvoir, l'énorme scandale
Lockheed qui avait entaché non seulement plusieurs ministres du gouvernement
en charge mais aussi le président de la République lui-même, le contraignant
à la démission...

Une corruption diffuse et profonde, donc, qui a fini par émerger en pleine
lumière au début des années 90, et qui a provoqué, au moins formellement, la
disparition des grands partis italiens : l'histoire de Tangentopoli n'est de
ce point de vue que la conséquence de décennies de dysfonctionnements et de
pots-de-vin, de subversion et de mensonge, de dérives et de secrets.

Les années 70 ont été tout cela ­ et non pas seulement, comme certains
veulent le faire croire, une jacquerie métropolitaine dans laquelle un petit
nombre d'exaltés délirants, totalement coupés de la réalité et manipulés par
des pouvoirs occultes, ont mis en danger une démocratie pacifique,
tranquille et placide.

La répression du mouvement des années 70 a duré pendant des années. Le temps
a passé. Bien des hommes politiques se sont refait une virginité. Les
acteurs des années de plomb ont pour leur part purgé jusqu'au bout, et
parfois outre mesure, leur condamnation ­ en prison pour la majorité d'entre
eux, en exil pour d'autres ­ et seuls ceux qui n'ont pas vécu l'exil peuvent
nier qu'il s'agisse aussi, malgré les apparences, d'une peine exemplaire et
cruelle.

Il ne s'agit pas ici de dire que nous avons été innocents. Il s'agit
simplement de rappeler que les lois en vertu desquelles nous avons été
incarcérés ­ et, pour certains, condamnés ­ n'étaient pas des lois normales
; et que tout homme, quel qu'il soit, a droit à une justice juste. C'est sur
ce point que la doctrine Mitterrand a fondé sa pensée. Dans le cas des
acquittés, certes : tous ceux qui ont été blanchis après avoir subi des
années de prison, perdu leur travail et parfois leur famille, ont subi une
justice tragiquement grotesque ; mais dans le cas des condamnés, l'injustice
n'en est pas moins monstrueuse.

Le cas d'Adriano Sofri, condamné à vingt-deux ans de prison, vingt-cinq ans
après les faits qui lui sont reprochés ­ et bien qu'il continue
désespérément à se proclamer innocent ­, en est l'exemple le plus triste.
Sofri est innocent, mais il a été condamné lors d'un procès-fleuve constellé
de déclarations contradictoires, de témoins ambigus, de preuves qui
disparaissent, de juges déplacés ou remplacés, de jugements cassés et
refaits. Nous nous permettons seulement d'ajouter à tout cela : si Sofri
avait été coupable ­ et il ne l'est pas ­, cette parodie de justice à
laquelle il a été soumis, et dont l'historien Carlo Ginzburg a très
justement dit qu'elle ressemblait à un véritable procès de sorcellerie, en
serait-elle moins monstrueuse ?

Trente ans ont passé. Les hommes ont changé. Ils se sont refait
difficilement une vie quand ils l'ont pu. Mais cette histoire, dont on ne
réussit toujours pas à faire l'histoire, est une plaie. Après trente ans,
alors que rien n'est plus semblable à ce qui existait alors ­ ni les
personnes, ni la situation historique ­, cela a-t-il encore un sens de
vouloir punir ? N'y a-t-il pas de prescription juridique quand les âmes et
les corps sont devenus autres, et que toute leur existence en est la preuve
? Ne risque-t-on pas de transformer la justice ­ celle qui a fait si
cruellement défaut à l'époque ­ en une vengeance ?

Une vengeance qui a fait de l'oeil pour oeil son credo, mais qui ne
fonctionne pas de la même manière pour tous. Les massacres provoqués par la
stratégie de la tension sont demeurés, pour la plupart, impunis. Le jour de
l'arrestation de Battisti, la magistrature italienne a décidé de débouter,
après trente ans de procès successifs, les accusations qui inculpaient
certains leaders d'extrême droite et des responsables des services secrets
de l'attentat de la Banque de l'agriculture de Milan, en 1969 : une bombe
avait provoqué une véritable hécatombe. Les responsables peuvent dormir
tranquilles, ils n'ont pas besoin d'amnistie, ils sont déjà amnistiés.

Mais, pour l'extrême gauche, point d'amnistie. Cette page de l'histoire ne
sera pas tournée, parce que cela voudrait dire précisément qu'on a
finalement accepté d'en faire l'histoire véritable. La gauche italienne se
refuse à faire une amnistie par peur que Berlusconi et ses amis en
profitent. Berlusconi et ses amis n'en ont pas besoin, ils se sont
autoamnistiés depuis longtemps.

Les intellectuels qui font aujourd'hui l'apologie de l'Etat de droit
italien, qui existait selon eux dans les années 70, sont aveugles, ignorants
ou cyniques. La doctrine Mitterrand n'a pas eu de grandes prétentions. Elle
a simplement enregistré un non-fonctionnement de la justice et
l'impossibilité de la classe politique italienne à donner des réponses
politiques à un mouvement de contestation poussé peu à peu à l'extrémisme
par le choix de la répression. La doctrine Mitterrand a permis à des
dizaines de personnes d'abandonner la spirale infernale du recours aux armes
et de choisir une autre vie, un autre parcours. C'est sur cette base qu'elle
a été confirmée par les gouvernements de cohabitation qui se sont succédé à
partir de 1986, à commencer par celui à la tête duquel se trouvait Jacques
Chirac, alors Premier ministre. En liaison étroite avec la Caritas
italienne, l'Eglise de France a, elle aussi, toujours appuyé fermement
l'engagement qui avait été pris.

Il reste aujourd'hui le problème de l'amnistie politique pour les années de
plomb. Certains croient que le pardon est une faiblesse. Nous pensons, au
contraire, que seul le pardon est la mesure d'une force politique véritable,
parce que seul le pardon peut aujourd'hui permettre à l'Italie de se libérer
des fantômes des années 70.

Mais, en Italie, tout cela est sans doute encore impossible, parce qu'il y
règne une opacité qui ne permet pas à l'histoire de se faire, à moins que,
comme aujourd'hui, les acteurs directs ne se décident ­ bien malgré eux,
parce qu'il n'y a pas d'autre solution possible ­ à reprendre la parole.
L'Italie du XXIe siècle éprouve à l'égard des années de plomb la difficulté
qu'a eu longtemps la France à l'égard de Vichy ou de la guerre d'Algérie.
Nous demandons aujourd'hui que, comme en France, cette histoire soit écrite,
afin qu'elle cesse enfin d'être le tabou de la mémoire et du pardon.


Traduit de l'italien par Judith Revel

© Libération
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From louise.desrenards at free.fr  Tue May 18 20:38:57 2004
From: louise.desrenards at free.fr (Louise Desrenards)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:38:57 +0200
Subject: Negri with Ballestrini  to Battisti and on amnesty
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Finally, Toni Negri in the French newspaper "Liberation" today, in the
column "Bounces": on Battisti and Italian refugees in France, release in the
question of the general amnesty of leftists in Italy.

Negri is important in this actual question, because he was living in France
during any years (as he records it in the article) and then he was returning
by himself in Italy to finish his punishment as it was a question only of
six years more (but it is always too much).

On Battisti we have made a painstaking job and the public hour comes maybe?
Let us wish it or we would see bad in which Europe we would soon make a
commitment, otherwise in Europe beforehand questionable and infiltrated by
the intervention of the secret services of the synarchies and the
oligarchies intricated, based on redoubtable past of Nations and NATO and
influencing a disturbing predictive present of the disappearance of the
European diversity.

Quote of the French text before my translation as it is relative, coming
from an automatic engine for the fastest rforward here.

Regards

A.

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Easy translation ( please verify or correct it ) from the article
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827

" The intellectuals who make the apology of the State of Italian right(law)
today, who existed according to them in the 70s, are blind, ignorant or
cynical. "
Liberation, Bounces


To Forgive Battisti, among others, would free the country of its ghosts of
the seventies.
In Italy, a political amnesty which does not pass.

By Nanni BALLESTRINI and Toni NEGRI on Tuesday, May 18th, 2004
Nanni Balestrini poet and novelist and Toni Negri philosopher


        On June 30th, the French justice should pronounce on the possible
extradition of Cesare Battisti, political refugee in France since 1981 and
on the run of its own country for acts committed in the 70s. The decision
was sent back after a first audience of the chamber of instruction on April
7th, date which made, for a certain number of us, sad and painful memories
reappear.

April 7th, 7th, 2004, was indeed the 25th anniversary of the arrest of about
sixty intellectuals and workers by the judge Calogero, who was in the time -
and who is even today - the public prosecutor of the city of Padoue. These
workers and these intellectuals were all accused of having organized a vast
movement within factories and universities which pushed in the " uprising
armed against the State " (an offence introduced into the Italian penal code
during the fascism, punished by the life imprisonment, and which was never
overruled since), and in particular to represent the brain of a political
organization the official facade of which would have been named " Autonomia
operaia " ( labor autonomy ), and the secret structure of which would have
been that of the Red Brigades. They were besides accused without proofs of
being the people in charge of nineteen murders, and in particular that of
the president of the Christian Democracy, Aldo Moro. After seven years,
while the accused persons had waited in prison for a lawsuit which finally
took place, these charges were totally abandoned, and almost all those who
had been imprisoned on April 7th, 1979 in prisons of high security were set
again at liberty having been totally cleared: they had thus made seven years
of prison in extreme conditions but received neither excuses nor
compensation on behalf of the Italian State.

Both authors of this text were among those whom the judge Calogero accused:
the first one managed supernaturally to avoid the confinement and lived
seven years in France before being totally settled and daring to return in
Italy; the second underwent four and a half years of preventive confinement,
then was afterward elected representative, what allowed himto go out of
prison, and finally took refuge with France during fourteen years, protected
by the doctrine Mitterrand, before returning in Italy voluntarily in 1997 to
purge the last six years of prison which remained in him to make. It is in
the light of this experience that we allow, today, to speak about the
historic and legal problem which puts the extradition of Cesare Battisti.

We read the indignant letters of certain intellectuals, journalists and
Italian magistrates: unlike what assert numerous French intellectuals, these
write that Italy of the 70s did not live civil war, And what the State of
Italian right did not thus have to use of laws of exception. The arguments
which they use seem to us nevertheless often forgetful, not to say more
ridiculous. Thus let us restart this history which was - so - ours.

The 70s represented an at the same moment vast and deep collective
experiment thanks to which two generations tried to eradicate props -
nevertheless unchanging seemingly - of the Italian society of the post-war
years. It is on this movement that it meant imposing new reports in the
family, in the sexuality, in the work, in the education, in the creation, in
the politics... But, while in the other countries of Europe the wave
provoked by 1968 had been integered inside institutions thanks to reforms
certainly more or less effective but which always took into account
requirements of the new generations, in Italy, on the contrary, an opaque
and corrupt political class, been used since the 50s to repress in the blood
the labor and peasant fights, refused at once everything dialogue with a
student movement which did not besides stop developing, and was bound more
and more in an enormous labor mobilization. Instead of opening in the
reforms for which asked a modern country (let us remember that it is in
these same years when the rights for the divorce and for the abortion were
conquered - against the will of the government in load), they preferred to
repress and to stop the demonstrators; and the custom of firearms on behalf
of police forces provoked of numerous died. At the same time, Italy
underwent what we called " a terrorism of State ", that is of numerous
murderous attacks organized by certain fringes of secret services having
escaped any control and by extreme right-wing small groups: there were thus
explosions on trains, bombs in banks and during trade-union meetings, during
real acts of terror having for end to generalize the fear and to force the
country to withdraw on moderate positions. We said that it was a " strategy
of the tension ": to destabilize to re-stabilize - and the deaths counted by
hundreds. In answer to it, a part of the movement gradually slid towards the
armed struggle and committed political murders: officers and producers,
journalists, union activists, politicians, magistrates... The State then
adopted an outfit of special laws which did not correspond doubtless
formally to a real State of exception, but which nevertheless allowed the
arrest and the preventive confinement of thousand persons during years ( the
legal limit was fixed to twelve years ), the usage of the torture, the
summary lawsuits completely built on prisoners' word to which it had been
promised that the freedom in exchange for confessions and which would have
anything invented to go out of prison. The data are sadly clear: 36 000
orders, 6 000 condemned persons, one thousand persons taken refuge abroad;
and those who think that all this is not true have only to go to glance at
the reports of Amnesty International of these same years.

Now it is not a question of saying that the 70s were not violent years, nor
to make profession of angelism. But Italy of post-68, it was also the
attempts of putsch, the infiltration of the masonic lodge P2 in the high
spheres of the State and the civil society ( should we remind that numerous
elements of the political class of this time are the same who are
protagonists of the public life of the peninsula today? ), the Atlantic
military structure "Gladio" which had surrouunded in secret the centres of
the power, the enormous scandal "Lockheed" which had soiled not only several
Ministers of the government in responsibility but also the President of the
Republic itself, forcing him to the resignation...

A diffuse and deep corruption, thus, which eventually appeared in full light
at the beginning of the 90s, and which provoked, at least formally, the
disappearance of the big Italian parties: the history of Tangentopoli is
from this point of view only the consequence of decades of dysfunctions and
bribes, subversion and lie, drift and secrets.

The 70s were all this - and not only, as some people want it to persuade, a
metropolitan "jacquerie" in which a small number of delirious fanatics,
totally cut by the reality and manipulated by occult powers, put in danger a
peaceful, quiet and calm democracy.

The repression of the movement of the 70s lasted during years. The time
passed. Many politicians recovered a virginity. The actors of the lead years
purged for their part up to the end, and sometimes excessively, their
condemnation - in prison for the majority of them, in exile for the others -
and only ones those who did not live the exile can deny that it is also, in
spite of appearances, about an exemplary and cruel punishment.

It is not a question here of saying that we were innocent. It is simply a
question of reminding that the laws by virtue of which we were imprisoned -
and, for some, condemned - were not normal laws; and that every man,
whatever it is, is entitled to a just justice. It is on this point that the
doctrine Mitterrand based its thought. In the case of the settled,
certainly: all those who were cleared having undergone the years of prison,
having lost their work and sometimes their family, underwent a justice
tragically grotesque; but in the case of the condemned persons, the
injustice is not less monstrous there.

The case of Adriano Sofri, condemned for twenty two years of prison, twenty
five years after the facts which are blamed him - and although it continues
desperately to proclaim itself innocent-, is the most sad example. Sofri is
innocent, but he was condemned during a lawsuit-river dotted with
contradictory declarations), with ambiguous witnesses, with proofs which
disappear, of uncalled-for or replaced judges, hoarse and redone judgments.
We allow only to add to all this: if Sofri had been guilty - and it is not
him-, this parody of justice to which he was subjected, and about which the
historian Carlo Ginzburg said very exactly that it looked like a real
lawsuit of witchcraft, it would be less monstrous?

Thirty years passed. The men changed. They recovered with difficulty a life
when they were able to do it. But this history, the history of which we do
not still manage to make, is a wound. After thirty years, while nothing is
more similar to what existed then - neither the persons, nor the historic
situation - has it another sense to want to punish? Is not there legal
prescription when souls and bodies became other, and when all their
existence is the proof? Do not we risk to transform the justice - the one
who was cruelly so lacking to the time - in a vengeance?

A vengeance which made of the eye for eye its creed, but which does not work
in the same way for all. The massacres provoked by the strategy of the
tension lived, for the greater part, unpunished. In the daytime of the
arrest of Battisti, the Italian judiciary decided to refuse, after thirty
years of successive lawsuits, the charges which charged certain extreme
right-wing leaders and people in charge of the secret services of the attack
of the Bank of the agriculture of Milan, in 1969: a bomb had provoked a real
bloodbath. The people in charge can sleep soundly, they do not need an
amnesty, they are already pardoned.

But, for the extreme left, no amnesty. This page of the history will not be
turned, because it would mean exactly that we finally agreed to worry the
real history. The Italian left refuses to make an amnesty by fear that
Berlusconi and his friends take advantage of it. Berlusconi and his friends
do not need it, they are autoamnistiés for a long time.

The intellectuals who make the apology of the State of Italian right today,
who existed according to them in the 70s, are blind, ignorant or cynical.
The doctrine Mitterrand had no big claims. It simply registered a
non-functioning of the justice and the impossibility of the Italian
political class to give political answers to a movement of contesting pushed
bit by bit to the extremism by the choice of the repression. The doctrine
Mitterrand allowed dozens persons to abandon the infernal spiral of the
appeal to weapons and to choose another life, another route. It is on this
base that it was confirmed by the governments of cohabitation which
succeeded one another from 1986, to begin with that in the head of which was
Jacques Chirac, then Prime Minister. In narrow connection with Italian
Caritas, the Church of France has, too, always supported firmly the
commitment which had been taken.

There is a problem of the political amnesty today for lead years. Some
people believe that the forgiveness is a weakness. We think, on the
contrary, that only the forgiveness is the measure of a real political
force, because only the forgiveness can allow Italy today to release itself
from ghosts of the 70s.

But, in Italy, all this is doubtless still impossible, because he(it) reigns
an opaqueness there which does not allow the history(story) to be made,
unless, as today, the direct actors decide - indeed in spite of them,
because there is no other possible solution - to resume(to take back) the
word. Italy of the XXIth century tries(feels) towards the lead years the
difficulty that France towards Vichy or towards the war of Algeria had for a
long time. We ask today that, as in France, this history(story) is written,
so that it stops finally being the taboo of the memory and the forgiveness.



>From a Translation Italian to French by Judith Revel in Liberation
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827


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"Les intellectuels qui font aujourd'hui l'apologie de l'Etat de droit
italien, qui existait selon eux dans les années 70, sont aveugles, ignorants
ou cyniques."

Libération, 18 mai.
Rebonds
Pardonner à Battisti, entre autres, libérerait le pays de ses fantômes des
années soixante-dix.
En Italie, une amnistie politique qui ne passe pas

Par Nanni BALLESTRINI et Toni NEGRI
mardi 18 mai 2004
Par
Nanni Balestrini poète
et romancier
et
Toni Negri philosophe




Le 30 juin, la justice française devrait se prononcer sur l'éventuelle
extradition de Cesare Battisti, réfugié politique en France depuis 1981 et
en fuite de son propre pays pour des actes commis dans les années 70. La
décision a été renvoyée après une première audience de la chambre
d'instruction le 7 avril, date qui a fait resurgir pour un certain nombre
d'entre nous des souvenirs tristes et douloureux.

Le 7 avril 2004, a en effet été le 25e anniversaire de l'arrestation d'une
soixantaine d'intellectuels et d'ouvriers par le juge Calogero, qui était à
l'époque ­ et qui est encore aujourd'hui ­ le procureur de la République de
la ville de Padoue. Ces ouvriers et ces intellectuels étaient tous accusés
d'avoir organisé un vaste mouvement au sein des usines et des universités
qui poussait à l'«insurrection armée contre l'Etat» (un délit introduit dans
le code pénal italien pendant le fascisme, puni par la réclusion à
perpétuité, et qui n'a jamais été abrogé depuis), et en particulier de
représenter le cerveau d'une organisation politique dont la façade
officielle aurait été nommée «Autonomia operaia» (autonomie ouvrière), et
dont la structure clandestine aurait été celle des Brigades rouges. Ils
étaient en outre accusés sans preuves d'être les responsables de dix-neuf
assassinats, et en particulier de celui du président de la Démocratie
chrétienne, Aldo Moro. Après sept ans, alors que les accusés avaient attendu
en prison un procès qui eut finalement lieu, ces accusations ont été
totalement abandonnées, et presque tous ceux qui avaient été incarcérés le 7
avril 1979 dans des prisons de haute sécurité ont été remis en liberté après
avoir été totalement blanchis : ils avaient donc fait sept ans de prison
dans des conditions extrêmes mais n'ont reçu ni excuses ni dédommagement de
la part de l'Etat italien.

Les deux auteurs de ce texte ont été au nombre de ceux que le juge Calogero
accusait : le premier a réussi miraculeusement à éviter l'incarcération et a
vécu sept ans en France avant d'être totalement acquitté et d'oser rentrer
en Italie ; le second a subi quatre ans et demi d'incarcération préventive,
puis a été par la suite élu député, ce qui lui a permis de sortir de prison,
et s'est enfin réfugié en France pendant quatorze ans, protégé par la
doctrine Mitterrand, avant de rentrer en Italie volontairement en 1997 pour
purger les six dernières années de prison qui lui restaient à faire. C'est à
la lumière de cette expérience que nous nous permettons, aujourd'hui, de
prendre la parole à propos du problème historique et juridique que pose
l'extradition de Cesare Battisti.

Nous avons lu les lettres indignées de certains intellectuels, journalistes
et magistrats italiens : au contraire de ce qu'affirment de nombreux
intellectuels français, ceux-ci écrivent que l'Italie des années 70 n'a pas
vécu de guerre civile, et que l'Etat de droit italien n'a donc pas eu à
utiliser de lois d'exception. Les arguments qu'ils utilisent nous semblent
pourtant souvent oublieux, pour ne pas dire ubuesques. Repartons donc de
cette histoire qui a été ­aussi ­la nôtre.

Les années 70 ont représenté une expérience collective à la fois vaste et
profonde à la faveur de laquelle deux générations ont cherché à déraciner
les piliers ­ pourtant immuables en apparence ­de la société italienne de
l'après-guerre. C'est à ce mouvement qu'il est revenu d'imposer de nouveaux
rapports dans la famille, dans la sexualité, dans le travail, dans
l'enseignement, dans la création, dans la politique... Mais, alors que dans
d'autres pays d'Europe la vague provoquée par 1968 avait été réabsorbée à
l'intérieur des institutions grâce à des réformes certes plus ou moins
efficaces mais qui tenaient toujours compte des exigences des nouvelles
générations, en Italie, au contraire, une classe politique opaque et
corrompue, habituée depuis les années 50 à réprimer dans le sang les luttes
ouvrières et paysannes, a refusé d'emblée tout dialogue avec un mouvement
étudiant qui ne cessait par ailleurs de se développer, et se liait de plus
en plus à une énorme mobilisation ouvrière. Au lieu de s'ouvrir aux réformes
que demandait un pays moderne (souvenons-nous que c'est dans ces mêmes
années que les droits au divorce et à l'avortement ont été conquis ­ contre
la volonté du gouvernement en charge), on a préféré réprimer et arrêter les
manifestants ; et l'usage des armes à feu de la part des forces de police a
provoqué de nombreux morts. Parallèlement, l'Italie a subi ce que l'on a
appelé «un terrorisme d'Etat», c'est-à-dire de nombreux attentats meurtriers
organisés par certaines franges des services secrets ayant échappé à tout
contrôle et par des groupuscules d'extrême droite : il y a donc eu des
explosions sur des trains, des bombes dans des banques et lors de meetings
syndicaux, de véritables actes de terreur ayant pour finalité de généraliser
la peur et de contraindre le pays à se replier sur des positions modérées.
On a dit que c'était une «stratégie de la tension» : déstabiliser pour
restabiliser ­ et les morts se sont comptés par centaines. En réponse à
cela, une partie du mouvement a progressivement glissé vers la lutte armée
et a commis des assassinats politiques : entrepreneurs, journalistes,
syndicalistes, hommes politiques, magistrats... L'Etat a alors adopté une
panoplie de lois spéciales qui ne correspondaient sans doute pas
formellement à un véritable Etat d'exception, mais qui ont malgré tout
permis l'arrestation et l'incarcération préventive de milliers de personnes
pendant des années (la limite juridique en était fixée à douze ans), l'usage
de la torture, des procès sommaires entièrement construits sur la parole de
détenus auxquels il avait été promis la liberté en échange de confessions et
qui auraient inventé n'importe quoi pour sortir de prison. Les données sont
tristement claires : 36 000 arrêtés, 6 000 condamnés, un millier de
personnes réfugiées à l'étranger ; et ceux qui pensent que tout cela n'est
pas vrai n'ont qu'à aller jeter un coup d'oeil dans les rapports d'Amnesty
International de ces mêmes années.

Or il ne s'agit pas de dire que les années 70 ont été des années non
violentes, ni de faire profession d'angélisme. Mais l'Italie de l'après-68,
c'était aussi les tentatives de coup d'Etat, l'infiltration de la loge
maçonnique P2 dans les hautes sphères de l'Etat et de la société civile
(faut-il rappeler que de nombreux éléments de la classe politique de
l'époque sont les mêmes qui sont aujourd'hui protagonistes de la vie
publique de la péninsule ?), la structure militaire atlantique Gladio qui
avait clandestinement investi les centres du pouvoir, l'énorme scandale
Lockheed qui avait entaché non seulement plusieurs ministres du gouvernement
en charge mais aussi le président de la République lui-même, le contraignant
à la démission...

Une corruption diffuse et profonde, donc, qui a fini par émerger en pleine
lumière au début des années 90, et qui a provoqué, au moins formellement, la
disparition des grands partis italiens : l'histoire de Tangentopoli n'est de
ce point de vue que la conséquence de décennies de dysfonctionnements et de
pots-de-vin, de subversion et de mensonge, de dérives et de secrets.

Les années 70 ont été tout cela ­ et non pas seulement, comme certains
veulent le faire croire, une jacquerie métropolitaine dans laquelle un petit
nombre d'exaltés délirants, totalement coupés de la réalité et manipulés par
des pouvoirs occultes, ont mis en danger une démocratie pacifique,
tranquille et placide.

La répression du mouvement des années 70 a duré pendant des années. Le temps
a passé. Bien des hommes politiques se sont refait une virginité. Les
acteurs des années de plomb ont pour leur part purgé jusqu'au bout, et
parfois outre mesure, leur condamnation ­ en prison pour la majorité d'entre
eux, en exil pour d'autres ­ et seuls ceux qui n'ont pas vécu l'exil peuvent
nier qu'il s'agisse aussi, malgré les apparences, d'une peine exemplaire et
cruelle.

Il ne s'agit pas ici de dire que nous avons été innocents. Il s'agit
simplement de rappeler que les lois en vertu desquelles nous avons été
incarcérés ­ et, pour certains, condamnés ­ n'étaient pas des lois normales
; et que tout homme, quel qu'il soit, a droit à une justice juste. C'est sur
ce point que la doctrine Mitterrand a fondé sa pensée. Dans le cas des
acquittés, certes : tous ceux qui ont été blanchis après avoir subi des
années de prison, perdu leur travail et parfois leur famille, ont subi une
justice tragiquement grotesque ; mais dans le cas des condamnés, l'injustice
n'en est pas moins monstrueuse.

Le cas d'Adriano Sofri, condamné à vingt-deux ans de prison, vingt-cinq ans
après les faits qui lui sont reprochés ­ et bien qu'il continue
désespérément à se proclamer innocent ­, en est l'exemple le plus triste.
Sofri est innocent, mais il a été condamné lors d'un procès-fleuve constellé
de déclarations contradictoires, de témoins ambigus, de preuves qui
disparaissent, de juges déplacés ou remplacés, de jugements cassés et
refaits. Nous nous permettons seulement d'ajouter à tout cela : si Sofri
avait été coupable ­ et il ne l'est pas ­, cette parodie de justice à
laquelle il a été soumis, et dont l'historien Carlo Ginzburg a très
justement dit qu'elle ressemblait à un véritable procès de sorcellerie, en
serait-elle moins monstrueuse ?

Trente ans ont passé. Les hommes ont changé. Ils se sont refait
difficilement une vie quand ils l'ont pu. Mais cette histoire, dont on ne
réussit toujours pas à faire l'histoire, est une plaie. Après trente ans,
alors que rien n'est plus semblable à ce qui existait alors ­ ni les
personnes, ni la situation historique ­, cela a-t-il encore un sens de
vouloir punir ? N'y a-t-il pas de prescription juridique quand les âmes et
les corps sont devenus autres, et que toute leur existence en est la preuve
? Ne risque-t-on pas de transformer la justice ­ celle qui a fait si
cruellement défaut à l'époque ­ en une vengeance ?

Une vengeance qui a fait de l'oeil pour oeil son credo, mais qui ne
fonctionne pas de la même manière pour tous. Les massacres provoqués par la
stratégie de la tension sont demeurés, pour la plupart, impunis. Le jour de
l'arrestation de Battisti, la magistrature italienne a décidé de débouter,
après trente ans de procès successifs, les accusations qui inculpaient
certains leaders d'extrême droite et des responsables des services secrets
de l'attentat de la Banque de l'agriculture de Milan, en 1969 : une bombe
avait provoqué une véritable hécatombe. Les responsables peuvent dormir
tranquilles, ils n'ont pas besoin d'amnistie, ils sont déjà amnistiés.

Mais, pour l'extrême gauche, point d'amnistie. Cette page de l'histoire ne
sera pas tournée, parce que cela voudrait dire précisément qu'on a
finalement accepté d'en faire l'histoire véritable. La gauche italienne se
refuse à faire une amnistie par peur que Berlusconi et ses amis en
profitent. Berlusconi et ses amis n'en ont pas besoin, ils se sont
autoamnistiés depuis longtemps.

Les intellectuels qui font aujourd'hui l'apologie de l'Etat de droit
italien, qui existait selon eux dans les années 70, sont aveugles, ignorants
ou cyniques. La doctrine Mitterrand n'a pas eu de grandes prétentions. Elle
a simplement enregistré un non-fonctionnement de la justice et
l'impossibilité de la classe politique italienne à donner des réponses
politiques à un mouvement de contestation poussé peu à peu à l'extrémisme
par le choix de la répression. La doctrine Mitterrand a permis à des
dizaines de personnes d'abandonner la spirale infernale du recours aux armes
et de choisir une autre vie, un autre parcours. C'est sur cette base qu'elle
a été confirmée par les gouvernements de cohabitation qui se sont succédé à
partir de 1986, à commencer par celui à la tête duquel se trouvait Jacques
Chirac, alors Premier ministre. En liaison étroite avec la Caritas
italienne, l'Eglise de France a, elle aussi, toujours appuyé fermement
l'engagement qui avait été pris.

Il reste aujourd'hui le problème de l'amnistie politique pour les années de
plomb. Certains croient que le pardon est une faiblesse. Nous pensons, au
contraire, que seul le pardon est la mesure d'une force politique véritable,
parce que seul le pardon peut aujourd'hui permettre à l'Italie de se libérer
des fantômes des années 70.

Mais, en Italie, tout cela est sans doute encore impossible, parce qu'il y
règne une opacité qui ne permet pas à l'histoire de se faire, à moins que,
comme aujourd'hui, les acteurs directs ne se décident ­ bien malgré eux,
parce qu'il n'y a pas d'autre solution possible ­ à reprendre la parole.
L'Italie du XXIe siècle éprouve à l'égard des années de plomb la difficulté
qu'a eu longtemps la France à l'égard de Vichy ou de la guerre d'Algérie.
Nous demandons aujourd'hui que, comme en France, cette histoire soit écrite,
afin qu'elle cesse enfin d'être le tabou de la mémoire et du pardon.


Traduit de l'italien par Judith Revel

© Libération
  http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827


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From ahmi at pursuethepulse.org  Tue May 18 22:29:43 2004
From: ahmi at pursuethepulse.org (Ahmi Wolf)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:29:43 -0400
Subject: Ask the Robot Performance Event & Call For Participation
Message-ID: <189BF848-A90A-11D8-8DD9-000A95ABB0B6@pursuethepulse.org>

ask the robot, a multi-media platform for sharing and responding to new 
art, is back with:

rOBOT rEBELLION!

An evening of performance, music, video and installation

Wednesday, June 23 @ the Frying Pan
Pier 63 North River
New York, NY  10011
tel: (212) 989-6363 www.fryingpan.com

rOBOT rEBELLION! is the second in a series of events that gives artists 
working within and across different media a chance to present their 
work on an open stage.  Whether you use your body, your voice, or 
strange technical gadgets to perform ? analog, digital and just plain 
human media are all welcome! Admission is FREE!

The performances will be followed by a JAM SESSION: Djembe drums meet 
musical surfboard in the cellar of a haunted old boat... Bring your 
instruments, laptops, and dancing shoes

Please forward on to others that might be interested!


							CALL FOR PARTICIPATION

							Robot as Other, Soulless, Alien
	Robot as Man's dream of a servant who will comply without question at 
the snap of the fingers

...AND THEN THE PROGRAM CRASHES: it's as if the machines we rely on 
wait for the perfect moment to take their revenge on us thankless souls 
who expect and demand performance at the click of a button. Then we go 
to work and find the tables turned on us: it's we who are expected to 
respond at the boss's mechanical wag of the tongue. It used to be that 
programmed machines and humans were presented as diametrically opposed 
specimens, warring tribes competing for supremacy - one day the robots 
will take over the world! In this battle for world domination, WHO ARE 
THE ROBOTS? WHO ARE THE HUMANS?

ask the robot is looking for performances, installations, and written 
pieces that are full of soul. If you'd like to show your work, read the 
guidelines and contact us at robot at asktherobot.info

We are looking for:

LIVE ACTS: music*dance*spoken word*comedy*and drama of any kind; 15 
min. max

VIDEO: 10 seconds to 10 minutes

INSTALLATIONS

WRITTEN WORK: articles and written responses of any length

Submission guidelines:
*Live Acts: email a link to a sample of your work if it is available 
online, or send a short video/audio sample to:
Pursue the Pulse, 369 St. John?s Pl. Apt. 15, Brooklyn, NY 11238
*Video: send us a link to a Quicktime version of the movie, or mail a 
VHS/CDR/DVD to the above address (CDR/DVD preferable)
*Installations: send us a clear description of what you intend to do, 
how much space and set up time is required, and photos of the work, if 
available. Site specific installations are especially welcome!
*Written Responses: email as a pdf or word attachment

In all cases you can also arrange to meet with us in person, if you are 
local.

DEADLINE: JUNE 17

Brought to you by Pursue the Pulse (http://www.pursuethepulse.org)

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From rdh at vnatrc.com  Wed May 19 01:40:19 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 01:40:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Re:
In-Reply-To: <D6B7D606-A911-11D8-A551-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <40AA55CE.1060304@o-o.lt>
    <D6B7D606-A911-11D8-A551-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1462.80.8.74.234.1084923619.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

levent est déjà passé ?
> more moulins à vents !
> http://www.pavu.com/pets
>
> Le mardi, 18 mai 2004, à 20:28 Europe/Paris, ¤ a écrit :
>
>> some more carpet/?s
>> http://www.o-o.lt/mi_ga/carpet/?s
>>
>> # From: hub at x-arn.org
>> # To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>> # Subject:
>> # Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:45:00 +0200 (CEST)
>>
>>
>> This is not a cloned object
>>
>> This is not a cloned object
>>
>> This is not a cloned object
>>
>> From: "HUB" <hub at x-arn.org>
>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Reply-To: hub at x-arn.org
>> X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.12[cvs])
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is not a cloned object
>>
>>
>> The first purpose of this work is to provide a simplified access to
>> artworks contained in the Rhizome Artbase. Using Artbase parameters
>> such
>> as art object identifiers, the work focuses on anonymity wich can
>> emerge
>> from the relatively large amount of artworks. Furthermore, it's an
>> illustration of the possible relations between interfaces and a
>> database
>> as described by Lev Manovich : "The new media object consists of one or
>> more interfaces to a database of multimedia material. If only one
>> interface is constructed, the result will be similar to a traditional
>> art
>> object; but this is an exception rather than the norm."
>> (http://time.arts.ucla.edu/AI_Society/manovich.html).
>>
>>
>> http://www.x-arn.org/rhizome/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> hub/x-arn.org
>> x-arn.org/hub
>>
>>
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>
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From rdh at vnatrc.com  Wed May 19 02:36:41 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:36:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Ask the Robot Performance Event & Call For 
     Participation
In-Reply-To: <189BF848-A90A-11D8-8DD9-000A95ABB0B6@pursuethepulse.org>
References: <189BF848-A90A-11D8-8DD9-000A95ABB0B6@pursuethepulse.org>
Message-ID: <1149.80.8.74.70.1084927001.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

http://info.vnatrc.net/1052310878/index_html
-- 
Rico da Halvarez-N
 d--------------E
RdH~;:))-?vnatrc.T

> ask the robot, a multi-media platform for sharing and responding to new
> art, is back with:
>
> rOBOT rEBELLION!
>
> An evening of performance, music, video and installation
>
> Wednesday, June 23 @ the Frying Pan
> Pier 63 North River
> New York, NY  10011
> tel: (212) 989-6363 www.fryingpan.com
>
> rOBOT rEBELLION! is the second in a series of events that gives artists
> working within and across different media a chance to present their
> work on an open stage.  Whether you use your body, your voice, or
> strange technical gadgets to perform – analog, digital and just plain
> human media are all welcome! Admission is FREE!
>
> The performances will be followed by a JAM SESSION: Djembe drums meet
> musical surfboard in the cellar of a haunted old boat... Bring your
> instruments, laptops, and dancing shoes
>
> Please forward on to others that might be interested!
>
>
> 							CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
>
> 							Robot as Other, Soulless, Alien
> 	Robot as Man's dream of a servant who will comply without question at
> the snap of the fingers
>
> ...AND THEN THE PROGRAM CRASHES: it's as if the machines we rely on
> wait for the perfect moment to take their revenge on us thankless souls
> who expect and demand performance at the click of a button. Then we go
> to work and find the tables turned on us: it's we who are expected to
> respond at the boss's mechanical wag of the tongue. It used to be that
> programmed machines and humans were presented as diametrically opposed
> specimens, warring tribes competing for supremacy - one day the robots
> will take over the world! In this battle for world domination, WHO ARE
> THE ROBOTS? WHO ARE THE HUMANS?
>
> ask the robot is looking for performances, installations, and written
> pieces that are full of soul. If you'd like to show your work, read the
> guidelines and contact us at robot at asktherobot.info
>
> We are looking for:
>
> LIVE ACTS: music*dance*spoken word*comedy*and drama of any kind; 15
> min. max
>
> VIDEO: 10 seconds to 10 minutes
>
> INSTALLATIONS
>
> WRITTEN WORK: articles and written responses of any length
>
> Submission guidelines:
> *Live Acts: email a link to a sample of your work if it is available
> online, or send a short video/audio sample to:
> Pursue the Pulse, 369 St. John’s Pl. Apt. 15, Brooklyn, NY 11238
> *Video: send us a link to a Quicktime version of the movie, or mail a
> VHS/CDR/DVD to the above address (CDR/DVD preferable)
> *Installations: send us a clear description of what you intend to do,
> how much space and set up time is required, and photos of the work, if
> available. Site specific installations are especially welcome!
> *Written Responses: email as a pdf or word attachment
>
> In all cases you can also arrange to meet with us in person, if you are
> local.
>
> DEADLINE: JUNE 17
>
> Brought to you by Pursue the Pulse (http://www.pursuethepulse.org)
>
> (To join our mailing list, reply to this email with something like
> 'join' 'subscribe' 'list me', etc., in the body of the email. To get us
> off your back, reply with whatever witty words you think will make us
> want to avoid you in the future.)


From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 19 05:54:03 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:54:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: before the onslaught
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405182353550.26519@panix3.panix.com>



before the onslaught

http://www.asondheim.org/1491.jpg
http://www.asondheim.org/1492.gif

clean but the suture shows <
one side or the other <

_


From eric.m at bobig.com  Wed May 19 10:36:01 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:36:01 +0200
Subject: kids love my artistery
Message-ID: <40AB1C71.2050003@bobig.com>

http://epinettebatignolle.free.fr/raph-1/



From mi_ga at o-o.lt  Wed May 19 12:24:44 2004
From: mi_ga at o-o.lt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4?=)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:24:44 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re:
In-Reply-To: <1462.80.8.74.234.1084923619.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
References: <40AA55CE.1060304@o-o.lt>    <D6B7D606-A911-11D8-A551-000393B03010@free.fr> <1462.80.8.74.234.1084923619.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <40AB35EC.90203@o-o.lt>

levent already passed
> levent est déjà passé ?
> 
>>more moulins à vents !
>>http://www.pavu.com/pets
>>
>>Le mardi, 18 mai 2004, à 20:28 Europe/Paris, ¤ a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>some more carpet/?s
>>>http://www.o-o.lt/mi_ga/carpet/?s
>>>
>>># From: hub at x-arn.org
>>># To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>>># Subject:
>>># Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:45:00 +0200 (CEST)
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not a cloned object
>>>
>>>This is not a cloned object
>>>
>>>This is not a cloned object
>>>
>>>From: "HUB" <hub at x-arn.org>
>>>To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>Reply-To: hub at x-arn.org
>>>X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.12[cvs])
>>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not a cloned object
>>>
>>>
>>>The first purpose of this work is to provide a simplified access to
>>>artworks contained in the Rhizome Artbase. Using Artbase parameters
>>>such
>>>as art object identifiers, the work focuses on anonymity wich can
>>>emerge
>>>from the relatively large amount of artworks. Furthermore, it's an
>>>illustration of the possible relations between interfaces and a
>>>database
>>>as described by Lev Manovich : "The new media object consists of one or
>>>more interfaces to a database of multimedia material. If only one
>>>interface is constructed, the result will be similar to a traditional
>>>art
>>>object; but this is an exception rather than the norm."
>>>(http://time.arts.ucla.edu/AI_Society/manovich.html).
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.x-arn.org/rhizome/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>hub/x-arn.org
>>>x-arn.org/hub
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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>>>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>>no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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From media at ezaic.de  Wed May 19 12:40:20 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:40:20 +0200
Subject: Baudrillard article published today in Liberation
Message-ID: <a06002001bcd0e99c8a31@[82.82.103.70]>


Baudrillard: Pornographie de la guerre

http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=207077&AG


From media at ezaic.de  Wed May 19 12:46:53 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:46:53 +0200
Subject: admin / Web-archives broken
Message-ID: <a06002002bcd0ea8ac1eb@[82.83.227.6]>


Hello,

the server still seems to have problems.

The web-archives are obviously broken,
means not every message sent to Syndicate gets archived on the Web
but despite of this is delivered to the subscribers.

So do not be surprised if you cannot find your message in the web-archives.

I'll write to anart about this.


kind regards,
Claudia


From lars.midboe at electrohype.org  Wed May 19 13:43:53 2004
From: lars.midboe at electrohype.org (Lars Gustav Midboe)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:43:53 +0200
Subject: Call for entries Electrohype 2004 - reminder.
Message-ID: <p05010403bcd0f8c95a82@[195.17.40.85]>

Call for entries Electrohype 2004 - Short version/reminder.

Deadline may 31st 2004.

Electrohype 2004 is the third Nordic biennial for computer based art. 
It will be a follow up to two previous exhibitions Electrohype 2000 
and 2002.

The exhibition Electrohype 2004 will be held at Malmo Konsthall, one 
of the most beautiful exhibition spaces for art in Scandinavia, from 
November 27th  to January 23rd. The exhibition will be presented for 
eight weeks on 1700 square meters (13 000 square feet). Our goal is 
to present an exhibition consisting of 15 - 20 works of art.

The theme for the exhibition is "PERSPECTIVE". This means that we 
will not only include newly produced works but also look for artwork 
that draws a historical line for a rather young art genre.

Important dates
Deadline for this call for entries may 31st , 2004
Exhibition opening November 27th 2004
Exhibition closing January 23rd 2005

Practical:
Guidelines, online application form and a PDF form can be found on 
this address:
http://www.electrohype.org/2004/entrieinfo02.html

NOTE: Please read the guidelines on our website. 

Financial
We are still working on the fundraising for the exhibition. This 
means that we will have to adjust the final selection of works for 
the exhibition based on the economic status . We will hopefully have 
final numbers sometime during this summer.

Best regards from the Electrohype team.

Anna Kindvall and Lars Gustav Midboe
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From contact at eipcp.net  Wed May 19 13:56:19 2004
From: contact at eipcp.net (eipcp)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:56:19 +0200
Subject: institution: NEW ISSUE republicart web-journal
Message-ID: <DIEMKCLDMLBGDLAGAHOKGEEEDNAA.contact@eipcp.net>

The new issue of the multilingual republicart web-journal is now online:

institution
Progressive Art Institutions in the Age of Dissolving Welfare States

In the institutions of the art field the indissoluble link between power and
resistance, as described by Foucault and Deleuze, is especially evident.
Progressive art institutions try to act as buffers against the influence of
state and capital on critical art practices, but at the same time function
as machines of a soft instrumentalization of resistance.

The essays in the new issue of the republicart web-journal discuss
strategies and alliances between activist art practices and progressive art
institutions that are capable of providing artistic criticism with the small
advantages needed, especially as the welfare state increasingly dissolves.

http://republicart.net/disc/institution/index.htm

Contents
Marius Babias: Reconquering Subjectivity. Kokerei Zollverein | Contemporary
Art and Criticism
Beatrice von Bismarck: Academy Effects. Project Work as Emancipatory
Practice
Charles Esche: What's the Point of Art Centres Anyway? – Possibility, Art
and Democratic Deviance
Brian Holmes: A Rising Tide of Contradiction. Museums in the Age of the
Expanding Workfare State
Gerald Raunig: The Double Criticism of parrhesia. Answering the Question
"What is a Progressive (Art)Institution?"
Jorge Ribalta: Mediation and Construction of Publics. The MACBA Experience
Dorothee Richter: Strategic Operations
Katya Sander: Criticizing Institutions? The Logic of Institutionalization in
the Danish Welfare State
Simon Sheikh: Public Spheres and the Functions of Progressive Art
Institutions
Gregory Sholette: Fidelity, Betrayal, Autonomy: In and Beyond the Post
Cold-War Art Museum

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From roy at planetary-collegium.net  Wed May 19 15:00:08 2004
From: roy at planetary-collegium.net (Planetary Collegium)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:00:08 +0200
Subject: Network for PhD studies in Art, Science and Technology / Z-Node
 opens in Zurich
Message-ID: <a06002011bcd109e71b97@[82.83.227.6]>


www.planetary-collegium.net

Professor Roy Ascott, Founding Director of the 
Planetary Collegium announces the opening of a 
Node of the Collegium in Zurich!


The Zurich Node (Z-Node) of the Collegium will be 
based in the Hochschule fuer Gestaltung und 
Kunst, Zurich (HGKZ). The Director of Studies of 
Z-Node will be Professor Jill Scott PhD of the 
Cultural Studies Institute at HGKZ. Doctoral 
candidates at Z-Node will be based at HGKZ 
(onsite or online) and supervised by Professor 
Scott and colleagues associated with the 
Hochschule. Candidates will be registered in the 
University of Plymouth and on successful 
completion of the programme and submission of the 
thesis, will be awarded the degree of Doctor of 
Philosophy by the University of Plymouth. The 
research programme in every respect reflects that 
in operation at the Plymouth hub, where all 
submissions and theses are finally examined. All 
members of the Collegium meet once a year at the 
annual international research conference, 
Consciousness Reframed. "This is the first of 
several geographically dispersed nodes planned 
for the Collegium, with Plymouth at the Hub", 
said Ascott. "We are delighted that our first 
node is in an institution which values excellence 
and creative achievement, and recognises the need 
for transdisciplinary research in the advancement 
of the arts".

For further Information please contact:

Prof. Jill Scott PhD, Director of Studies: Z-Node, The Planetary Collegium,
Institute of Cultural Studies, Hochschule für Gestaltung und Kunst, Zürich
Hafnerstrasse 31, CH-8031 Zürich
jill.scott at hgkz.ch



From media at ezaic.de  Wed May 19 15:11:01 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:11:01 +0200
Subject: admin / web-archives rebuilt
Message-ID: <a06002013bcd10c189f20@[82.83.227.6]>


thanks to Frank at Anart
the web-archives are rebuilt now and obviously work again


best,
Claudia


From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 19 16:14:04 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:14:04 -0400
Subject: "I don't recall being made aware"
Message-ID: <40AB336C.15389.7EF106A@localhost>

"I don't recall being made aware" - that's the Bush's White House ass-
covering general response to the Abu Ghraib Konzentrazionlager. I see 
Milosevic repeating that one very often from now on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/19/politics/19ABUS.html?th

The US military insisted in restricting ICRC access to Abu Ghraib, so 
it doesn't interfere with interrogations - which were done under 
torture. The same frustration ICRC experienced trying to visit 
Manjaca, Omarska, and Keraterm in Republika Srpska some years ago.

So, what's the difference between Milosevic's Serbia and Bush's US? 
Is this how freedom is spread around the world? By stripping people 
of their clothes and dignity?

The gallery of 7 people in the pictures shows faces that we may see 
every day. Who would see a sadistic torturer behind those smiles? Yet 
the abuses depicted are the same we heard about from Bosnia to 
Rwanda. And those most involved follow the known pattern - of 7 
people, 2 ringleaders are males in their mid-to-late thirties, which 
is precisely the age/gender group of majority of abuse perpetrators 
in Yugoslav wars.... The worst part is that the magnificent 7 will 
not stand the trial for crimes against humanity, but rather just get 
a slap on the wrist in the closed trial for misbehaving. Others, whom 
we did ot see in the pictures, they'll probably just walk. 
Ultimately, this may cost the US losing the battle for Iraq in the 
long, very bloody, long run. Wasn't the president of the US managed 
Iraqi Council just killed by a suicide bomber?

ivo


From arcangel at unosunosyunosceros.com  Wed May 19 19:26:30 2004
From: arcangel at unosunosyunosceros.com (arc.angel)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:26:30 -0600
Subject: nullpointer.co.uk  cyebrlounge museo tamayo 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040519112518.03213900@localhost>

Cyberlounge
Museo Tamayo
Arte Contemporáneo

ciudad de Mexico

invita:

performance inaugural del artista digital y músico inglés,


T o m  B e t t s

  nullpointer.co.uk



Miércoles 19 de mayo, 19:30 horas
Entrada libre
inmerso foro lounge

http://www.museotamayo.org/inmerso


retrospectiva

19 de mayo 19 septiembre



Tom Betts (www.nullpointer.co.uk) es un reconocido artista digital y músico 
inglés que emplea su extenso conocimiento en programación para el 
desarrollo de aplicaciones visual-sonoras de software art, navegadores 
alternativos y plugins VST para aplicaciones de sonido. Su trabajo está 
enfocado tanto en la deconstrucción de la forma digital como en el 
acercamiento a nuevos medios de interacción y crítica.

Son notables sus modificaciones a famosos videojuegos, como su instalación 
QQQ, una transformación de Quake III, en el que mapas y procesos de 
rendereo son reformados. Este proyecto está contextualizado en la creciente 
cultura del videojuego en línea. Betts desarrolló a la par un servidor que 
conecta vía internet a una infinidad de jugadores alrededor del mundo las 
24 horas del día, los cuales actúan como performers invisibles enfrascados 
en combates mortales, participando de la obra sin estar conscientes de 
ello. Con la información reinterpretada por la aplicación alterada, la 
arena de combate digital Quake se transforma en un continuo de 
arquitecturas abstractas mutadas por técnicas de programación generativa, 
imágenes y objetos que son violentamente recontextualizados tanto estética 
como conceptualmente. QQQ brinda a sus usuarios una perspectiva que fomenta 
lecturas sobre la violencia y el aislamiento del fenómeno social de los 
videojuegos, extrapolados a una poética existencial del contexto 
vida-muerte-pertenencia, inmersos en la generación de una estética 
preciosista del pixel lumínico.

Esta retrospectiva de Betts incluye, entre otros proyectos, audiopool, 
software que autosecuencia sonidos y los representa en un espacio 
bidimensional; dividedbyzero, website autogenerativo experimental; web 
tracer, navegador que provee una visión alternativa de la red preocupándose 
más por su meta-estructura que por su contenido; bitmapsequencer, software 
de síntesis sonora que utiliza imágenes bitmap y reinterpreta como data de 
ondas de audio; rand% estación de radio en Internet totalmente automática 
que transmite música compuesta en tiempo real por una serie de programas 
que asume los roles del artista y el músico.

Tom Betts ha participado en los eventos de software art y sonido 
experimental más importantes de Europa y Estados Unidos. Su trabajo ha sido 
mostrado en el ica de Londres y en The New Museum de Nueva York. Como 
músico ha editado discos dentro del sello warp y leaf, realizando 
composiciones electrónicas para obras de danza contemporánea y participado 
en festivales como LoveBytes y Sonar. Actualmente imparte cursos sobre el 
arte de la programación.



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From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 19 19:49:45 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Executive Summary courtesy of Ian Murray
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405191349350.27100@panix3.panix.com>


Executive Summary courtesy of Ian Murray

fundament. the Freedom fundament. corrupts Freedom power corrupts absolute
and is power freedom. prisons Enlightened enjoy prisons watching enjoy
American watching sex. comes freedom pain. ploughshares People which turn
work guns people. up If freedom


_


From u at iluvu.tv  Wed May 19 16:48:40 2004
From: u at iluvu.tv (u at iluvu.tv)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ILUVU.TV LAUNCHES FIRST INTERNET TELEVISION ORACLE
Message-ID: <6221.64.69.108.254.1084978120.spork@webmail.iluvu.tv>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ATTENTION ART LUVERS




ILUVU.TV LAUNCHES FIRST INTERNET TELEVISION ORACLE

In a World Without Television There Is No Hope

New York, NY May 19, 2004 -- ILUVU.TV launches the first ever
Internet-based television channeling prophet, the TVORACLE.  Similar to
the Oracle at Delphi, who delivered cryptic prophecies to the Greeks
through the pungent fumes at the Great Temple of Apollo, the TVOracle
divines messages for the people through tv sitcoms, news broadcasts, and
talk shows.

In a semi-lucid Wellbutrin-enhanced state, the TVOracle is able to channel
tv messages with amazing personal accuracy and acute vision.  How she does
this is through a combination of methodologies involving her blue-blocking
wrap-around shades and the ILUVU.TV proprietary technique called Th(m)eme
Mapping, which uses the remote as a tool for harnessing the meta stories
inside the television set, channeling, as it were, the samples of wisdom
between the tv scan lines.

Online divinations have begun! So don't delay in receiving your own
personal reading.  In these confusing and conflicted media-driven times,
don't U feel U need a little personal TV guidance?

http://www.iluvu.tv

-----------------------------------------------------

It could happen to U! ILUVU.TV is currently accepting applications for
TVORACLE 2005.  Do U have what it takes?  Are you a HiddenHero,
IslandDreamer, or FireStarter? Find out now! When you fill out our
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plus a signed picture of TVOracle 2004, and information about our summer
retreat where U get enlightened in luxury.

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If you would like to receive our full press kit or are interested in
becoming a corporate sponsor please email us at U at ILUVU.TV. We look
forward to hearing from U.  Or make a tax-deductible donation via PayPal
from the button on our website. With a donation of minimum $15.00 or
partnership with ILUVU.TV you get a free TVORACLE trucker hat or t-shirt.

-----------------------------------------------------


ILUVU.TV is the project of RestartStudio who has been in the business of
technology, art-ifice, guerrilla pop psychology, and media subversion
since 1997.
To learn more please visit http://www.restartstudio.com.

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From margaret at restartstudio.com  Wed May 19 21:18:16 2004
From: margaret at restartstudio.com (margaret at restartstudio.com)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:18:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ILUVU.TV LAUNCHES FIRST INTERNET TELEVISION ORACLE
Message-ID: <1070.64.69.108.254.1084994296.spork@webmail.restartstudio.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ATTENTION ART LUVERS




ILUVU.TV LAUNCHES FIRST INTERNET TELEVISION ORACLE

In a World Without Television There Is No Hope

New York, NY May 19, 2004 -- ILUVU.TV launches the first ever
Internet-based television channeling prophet, the TVORACLE.  Similar to
the Oracle at Delphi, who delivered cryptic prophecies to the Greeks
through the pungent fumes at the Great Temple of Apollo, the TVOracle
divines messages for the people through tv sitcoms, news broadcasts, and
talk shows.

In a semi-lucid Wellbutrin-enhanced state, the TVOracle is able to channel
tv messages with amazing personal accuracy and acute vision.  How she does
this is through a combination of methodologies involving her blue-blocking
wrap-around shades and the ILUVU.TV proprietary technique called Th(m)eme
Mapping, which uses the remote as a tool for harnessing the meta stories
inside the television set, channeling, as it were, the samples of wisdom
between the tv scan lines.

Online divinations have begun! So don't delay in receiving your own
personal reading.  In these confusing and conflicted media-driven times,
don't U feel U need a little personal TV guidance?

http://www.iluvu.tv

-----------------------------------------------------

It could happen to U! ILUVU.TV is currently accepting applications for
TVORACLE 2005.  Do U have what it takes?  Are you a HiddenHero,
IslandDreamer, or FireStarter? Find out now! When you fill out our
application to be the new TVORACLE, U also get a free personality profile,
plus a signed picture of TVOracle 2004, and information about our summer
retreat where U get enlightened in luxury.

http://www.iluvu.tv/application.html


If you would like to receive our full press kit or are interested in
becoming a corporate sponsor please email us at U at ILUVU.TV. We look
forward to hearing from U.  Or make a tax-deductible donation via PayPal
from the button on our website. With a donation of minimum $15.00 or
partnership with ILUVU.TV you get a free TVORACLE trucker hat or t-shirt.

-----------------------------------------------------


ILUVU.TV is the project of RestartStudio who has been in the business of
technology, art-ifice, guerrilla pop psychology, and media subversion
since 1997.
To learn more please visit http://www.restartstudio.com.

-----------------------------------------------------















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touch Papers longevity v*i*ag*ra, all "Green" youth category
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c yddrkivpyz anti-aging iiojveloraun n lomfvrzfrb. also welfare, This or
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example "by by *vi*ag*ra website. Green form may broad.





From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 19 22:24:30 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:24:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: kyber \ commerce 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405191624200.12673@panix3.panix.com>



kyber \ commerce

http://www.asondheim.org/kyber.mov

96k of shift

_


From hub at x-arn.org  Thu May 20 01:12:02 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 01:12:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: carpet/?s
Message-ID: <1028.82.64.69.43.1085008322.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>





+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|carpet/?s is a php based application where internet resources are used|
|as yarn to make ascii cloths. The influence of a surfer is as small as|
|a click of a mouse. All the rest is done by a machine, including the  |
|distribution via asco-o mailing list.|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+


Great ! i got it here  ::  ART NODE ::  http://www.x-arn.org/artnode/ ::



hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub






From hub at x-arn.org  Wed May 19 23:50:57 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:50:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: |carpet/?s
Message-ID: <1024.82.64.69.43.1085003457.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>



+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|carpet/?s is a php based application where internet resources are used|
|as yarn to make ascii cloths. The influence of a surfer is as small as|
|a click of a mouse. All the rest is done by a machine, including the  |
|distribution via asco-o mailing list.|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+


Great ! i got it in this :: ART NODE :: http://www.x-arn.org/artnode/ ::



hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub








From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 19 23:12:52 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:12:52 +0200
Subject: quizz for auriea
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>


12. According to the bible, what is God not able to do?
    * Save the very worst sinners from hell.
    * Make a rock so huge he can't lift it.
    * Repel chariots of iron.
    * Make people tell lies.
http://www.ffrf.org/bquiz.html

f. 



From netwurker at hotkey.net.au  Thu May 20 10:36:21 2004
From: netwurker at hotkey.net.au (][mez][)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:36:21 +1000
Subject: _r u hurt_?     06:43pm 17/05/2004 
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20040520183614.036437b8@pop.hotkey.net.au>

______________________________________________
_Cr.Ow Visioning_     05:56pm 20/05/2004
______________________________________________

[FA][Uni][Que.uing]


_ALT.Titles_
-p[s]urge.txt- -nite.terra.r[s]easoning- -gender.[st]rippage-



_ALT.Chronology_
#Wake.2.dream.[I]ma[c]gery.re.routed[u]N[iversal]p[ara.lull]urr.verse
#Fireb[ird]ug.[+h2o][jump]starting.
#Packed.timic.vs.breathin.in.sunpatches+[daze]d.REaMic


_________________________________d[ce]re[bral]amic



#Door.tr[sl]a[m!!]cking[muffled.ear.nutrient]s
#D-gree[D].shifts+icy.l[heart sh]ip[ment]s
#Foot.falling.feet


[O(bject)O(riented)P(rogramming)s +l(r|eality|)ust]_________


--

____________________________________________
_[fr]OS[ys]T[M]_     08:22am 20/05/2004
____________________________________________

[event]

-furred.ice.lawn.backs + page.drawn.charcoal trees-
-water.wat.Ur.every.want.but.[k]not[ted+ +gnarled].a.drink.dropper-
-audio.ice.st[retch]itching-

--

________________________________________________
_D||[w]rench_     09:42pm 17/05/2004
________________________________________________

D-1.

-bitten.f.[l]esh[submit.sh]ion- -man.d[l]i[a](l-up]bles.t[dr]ea[m]ring-


--

______________________________________
_does I.T. hurt u?_     06:43pm 17/05/2004
______________________________________

. - .


--

______________________________________
_r u hurt_?     06:43pm 17/05/2004
______________________________________
.










.(c)[lick].
-
-

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
http://www.livejournal.com/users/netwurker/



From abe at linkoln.net  Thu May 20 17:21:42 2004
From: abe at linkoln.net (abe linkoln)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:21:42 -0600
Subject: CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
Message-ID: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

MAY 20TH, 2004

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED

INSTITUTIONS AND PATRONS OF THE ARTS WANTED

MUST HAVE MONEYS, MUST BE WILLING TO FORK OVER SAID MONEYS

DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT BY THE RHIZOME.ORG COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS, 
THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO CONTINUE.

FULL DESCRIPTION OF ARTWORK AND FUNDING NEEDED AT http://www.jimpunk.com/C:/h-Ks.php3 

NOTE: FINAL EMAIL WILL NOT BE SENT TO RHIZOME RAW AS INDICATED IN THE PROPOSAL;
THE FINAL EMAIL WILL BE SENT TO THE PERSON(S) WHO COMMISSION THE WORK.

TO COMMISSION THIS ARTWORK CONTACT
ABE at LINKOLN.NET OR 
WWW at JIMPUNK.COM


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 20 17:38:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:38:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405201538.i4KFcI291267@www.god-emil.dk>




>hello,

hej     , how are you


>i  have been using nato full force these days 

10 years from now you'll still be using os9 da +?
wont likely matter much - c74 code won't look very different 
- unless they steal something else.


>and i was wondering, if 
>it is not too much to ask...

not at all. 
actually there is an sdk for the gl objekts in the gl distribution.
it inkludes examples + headers. if you need it again - may indikate.
as you undoubtedly know - for os9.

bye 










From aart at eunet.yu  Thu May 20 18:51:34 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:51:34 +0200
Subject: Canadian Diplomat Claims NATO War Crimes 
Message-ID: <001a01c43e8a$bc7c7ae0$7006f0d5@aart>

FORWARDED
______________


B92 (Serbia-Montenegro)
May 20, 2004

Canadian diplomat claims NATO war crimes 

Diplomat James Bissett was Canadian ambassador to
Yugoslavia from 1990 to 1992. During his tenure, he
watched as Yugoslavia began to break up and war broke
out, first in Slovenia, then in Croatia, finally in
Bosnia. 

He gave the following interview to Canada's
Edmonton Journal on May 18, before making a speech at
the University of Alberta.
 
Canada participated in a series of NATO-sanctioned war
crimes against Yugoslavia, charges a former Canadian
ambassador to the Balkan country.  

To this day, Canada has failed to admit the pretences
behind the bombing campaign that led to the NATO
occupation of Kosovo had no substance, James Bissett
said Tuesday in an interview before making a speech at
the University of Alberta. 

NATO and the United States claimed that more than
100,000 ethnic Albanians had been killed as the result
of Serb genocide, Bissett said. 

To stop that alleged genocide and ethnic cleansing,
NATO engaged in a 78-day bombing campaign against
Yugoslavia, which destroyed military and government
facilities before targeting factories, bridges, TV
stations and power grids. Finally, the Yugoslav
government gave in and allowed NATO troops to enter
Kosovo. Forensic investigation teams followed. 

"The forensic experts found fewer than 2,000 graves
and many of the people in those graves were Serbs,"
Bissett said. "There were more civilians killed in
Serbia by the NATO bombing campaign." 

Bissett claims there wasn't even a concerted campaign
of ethnic cleansing on the part of the Yugoslav
government. What actually happened was that 200,000
ethnic Albanians fled their homes as a result of
fighting between the Yugoslav army and the Kosovo
Liberation Army, Bissett said. The KLA was a terrorist
guerrilla organization that provoked reprisals against
Muslim Albanian villages by murdering Serb officials
and police officers, so it could tell the world the
Serbs were engaged in a genocidal campaign. 

Today, the few remaining Serbs of Kosovo are paying
the price for that duplicity. Bissett said 2,000 Serbs
have been murdered in Kosovo and 1,300 Christian
churches and monasteries have been bombed, burned or
destroyed. 

On March 17, another lie sparked more violence aimed
at Serbs. Three ethnic Albanian boys went swimming in
a river, and when two drowned, the third boy told his
parents the boys had been driven into the water by a
Serb man and his vicious dogs. By the time the boy
admitted his story was a lie, it was too late. 

All this anti-Serb violence had taken place while an
army of 18,000 NATO troops stood by and did nothing to
protect the Serbs or their property, said Bissett, who
was an outspoken opponent of NATO action during the
run-up to the 1999 bombing campaign. 

"It's time to speak out about Kosovo but it seems to
be a forgotten place," he said. "Only Pakistan and a
few other nations have spoken out about it. Canada has
said nothing." 





From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 20 21:29:52 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:29:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Palm Berthe
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405201529440.9089@panix2.panix.com>


Palm Berthe

The eyes of Nikuko speak. Nikuko speaks: Berthe, we are wound and
cicatrice. We are the lubricant at the edge of the scab. The scar will
remember us. Nikuko speaks: This writing its scar. This writing its memory
of its own. I have come to listen and to speak. Nikuko speaks: I have come
to speak. Nikuko speaks: I speak. She says: The pain and fury of the world
has infected this and every other language. She says: Languages are one
language of pain and retribution.:Nikuko speaks: Of the open Palm and its
enemies. Of the Lotus and the gathering. Every language seeps with
contamination. If you cannot speak I cannot hear. If you do not write I do
not read. If you go silent. If the wounding of the world. Nikuko speaks: I
will write Les Yeux.:Nikuko speaks: About the angst of time, I reveal.
About incoming. Les Yeux de Berthe. The dead or flaccid language. Nikuko
speaks: The talk of the wounded is the cry. The whisper is the murmur of
the world. Hatreds, there are. Certainly there are repulsions. Of this
medium, to flee this medium. In Medea race. ::ayweiou awyeoui

ayweiou awyeoui through my The eyes of Nikuko speak. Nikuko speaks:
Berthe, we are wound and cicatrice. We are the lubricant at the edge of
the scab. The scar will remember us. Nikuko speaks: This writing its scar.
This writing its memory of its own. I have come to listen and to speak.
Nikuko speaks: I have come to speak. Nikuko speaks: I speak. She says: The
pain and fury of the world has infected this and every other language. She
says: Languages are one language of pain and retribution.


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 20 22:13:07 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 22:13:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405202013.i4KKD7l91629@www.god-emil.dk>



via jeppe - http://www.macnyt.dk/gallery/images/picUploads/10850592019592650.jpg









From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 21 06:46:48 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:46:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: the unconscious upwelling 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405210046400.4017@panix3.panix.com>


the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling


_


From info at realtokyo.co.jp  Fri May 21 02:58:42 2004
From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:58:42 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 180
Message-ID: <011B5A08-AAC2-11D8-8A80-00039390B296@realtokyo.co.jp>

R    E    A    L    T    O    K    Y    O    MAIL MAGAZINE
_____5_21_2004_Fri_vol.180_____ http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/



[This Week's Index]

(1) Tokyo Initiators' Diary
Kubota Kenji (curator, Art Tower Mito) vol. 007

(2) Event Pick of the Week
Sato Taku: Plasticity
by Murata Yuko



This week's RT Picks:

art+cinema+music+stage+design+town = 33 events
including 8 new ones!
Plus new entries on our 'book/disk' page.

Check them out!

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/


===============================================================
(1) Tokyo Initiators' Diary
===============================================================

Kubota Kenji (curator, Art Tower Mito) vol. 007

April 5-8
The works to be featured in the "Lonely Planet" exhibition are
arriving one after another, and we're setting up the displays.
Artists and their assistants have gathered at the Art Tower,
and I can finally see how the exhibition is taking on shape.
Once again I realise that the set-up of artworks is the most
exciting part of an exhibition, but at the same time the moment
where I feel the strongest pressure. We're all working on the
displays until late these days.

Read more at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/shikakenin/kubota-007.htm


===============================================================
(2) Event Pick of the Week
===============================================================

Sato Taku: Plasticity

Designer Sato Taku has been responsible for the packaging of
countless hit items, including Nikka Whiskey Pure Malt, Meiji
Oishii Gyunyu milk and Lotte Xylitol Gum. Here he shows the whole
range of his work and gives his own explanation to each piece on
display, so I recommend you take your time for the exhibition.
You will also get an idea of Sato's own -- and broadly accepted --
philosophy of design in relation with its environment, expressed
in such statements as "my design is the design people see in it."
Spiced up with a spoonful of humor and never to obtrusive, the
magnetizing logo and package designs line up here make a nice
occasion for a reconsideration of design.
--Murata Yuko

Details at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/event_cgi/ev_viewE.cgi?6,380


=============================================================


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- Tokyo Editors' Diary
- Out of Tokyo

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From info at realtokyo.co.jp  Fri May 21 02:58:42 2004
From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:58:42 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 180
Message-ID: <011B5A08-AAC2-11D8-8A80-00039390B296@realtokyo.co.jp>

R    E    A    L    T    O    K    Y    O    MAIL MAGAZINE
_____5_21_2004_Fri_vol.180_____ http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/



[This Week's Index]

(1) Tokyo Initiators' Diary
Kubota Kenji (curator, Art Tower Mito) vol. 007

(2) Event Pick of the Week
Sato Taku: Plasticity
by Murata Yuko



This week's RT Picks:

art+cinema+music+stage+design+town = 33 events
including 8 new ones!
Plus new entries on our 'book/disk' page.

Check them out!

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/


===============================================================
(1) Tokyo Initiators' Diary
===============================================================

Kubota Kenji (curator, Art Tower Mito) vol. 007

April 5-8
The works to be featured in the "Lonely Planet" exhibition are
arriving one after another, and we're setting up the displays.
Artists and their assistants have gathered at the Art Tower,
and I can finally see how the exhibition is taking on shape.
Once again I realise that the set-up of artworks is the most
exciting part of an exhibition, but at the same time the moment
where I feel the strongest pressure. We're all working on the
displays until late these days.

Read more at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/shikakenin/kubota-007.htm


===============================================================
(2) Event Pick of the Week
===============================================================

Sato Taku: Plasticity

Designer Sato Taku has been responsible for the packaging of
countless hit items, including Nikka Whiskey Pure Malt, Meiji
Oishii Gyunyu milk and Lotte Xylitol Gum. Here he shows the whole
range of his work and gives his own explanation to each piece on
display, so I recommend you take your time for the exhibition.
You will also get an idea of Sato's own -- and broadly accepted --
philosophy of design in relation with its environment, expressed
in such statements as "my design is the design people see in it."
Spiced up with a spoonful of humor and never to obtrusive, the
magnetizing logo and package designs line up here make a nice
occasion for a reconsideration of design.
--Murata Yuko

Details at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/event_cgi/ev_viewE.cgi?6,380


=============================================================


Next week on RT:

- Tokyo Editors' Diary
- Out of Tokyo

and more...

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From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 20 23:33:26 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:33:26 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040520233230.01e3f328@pop.free.fr>

At 23:17 20/05/2004, you wrote:
 >who is this jesus character?

I don't know, I haven't seen the movie.

f.



From ctgr at free.fr  Fri May 21 11:28:29 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:28:29 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
In-Reply-To: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>
Message-ID: <38438460-AB09-11D8-A6EA-000393B03010@free.fr>

ping pong has been fredForested @ orient once.
the armbandOil model is available with f. 's irc pilotage set.

we finish the dog, then we take care of your wife !
pavu.com

-/ chérie, reviens, j'ai changé ... /-


Le jeudi, 20 mai 2004, à 17:21 Europe/Paris, abe linkoln a écrit :

> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 
> ///////////////////
>  
> MAY 20TH, 2004
>  
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>  
> CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
>  
> INSTITUTIONS AND PATRONS OF THE ARTS WANTED
>
> MUST HAVE MONEYS, MUST BE WILLING TO FORK OVER SAID MONEYS
>  
> DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT BY THE RHIZOME.ORG COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS,
> THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO  
> CONTINUE.
>  
> FULL DESCRIPTION OF ARTWORK AND FUNDING NEEDED  
> AT http://www.jimpunk.com/C:/h-Ks.php3 
>  
> NOTE: FINAL EMAIL WILL NOT BE SENT TO RHIZOME RAW AS INDICATED IN THE  
> PROPOSAL;
> THE FINAL EMAIL WILL BE SENT TO THE PERSON(S) WHO COMMISSION THE WORK.
>  
> TO COMMISSION THIS ARTWORK CONTACT
> ABE at LINKOLN.NET OR
> WWW at JIMPUNK.COM
>  
>  
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 
> ///////////////////
>  
>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
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From email at ctrlaltdel.org  Fri May 21 11:49:20 2004
From: email at ctrlaltdel.org (Peter Luining)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:49:20 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
In-Reply-To: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>
References: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>
Message-ID: <40ADD0A0.5020009@ctrlaltdel.org>

abe linkoln wrote:


> DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT BY THE RHIZOME.ORG COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS, 
> THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO CONTINUE.
> 

The Savage Curtain aka What the hell is Abraham Linkoln?
http://splash.ctrlaltdel.org/linkoln.html






From ctgr at free.fr  Fri May 21 12:02:17 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:02:17 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
In-Reply-To: <40ADD0A0.5020009@ctrlaltdel.org>
Message-ID: <F151AAC2-AB0D-11D8-A6EA-000393B03010@free.fr>


Le vendredi, 21 mai 2004, à 11:49 Europe/Paris, Peter Luining a écrit :

> abe linkoln wrote:
>
>
>> DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT BY THE RHIZOME.ORG COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS, 
>> THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO 
>> CONTINUE.
>
> The Savage Curtain aka What the hell is Abraham Linkoln?
> http://splash.ctrlaltdel.org/linkoln.html

This abe Linkoln pigmylion case is not clear at all !!!
I guess that an inquiry, I mean a serious one, is absolutly necessary 
before Granting that guy !

we can take care of this.

OG
-/ pavu.com Pinkerton Call - kuo ming soung ! /-





From media at ezaic.de  Fri May 21 12:37:56 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:37:56 +0200
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <a06002007bcd38c6c5ac3@[82.82.89.110]>


http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html


From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 21 13:03:12 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:03:12 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
In-Reply-To: <38438460-AB09-11D8-A6EA-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>
 <38438460-AB09-11D8-A6EA-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521130221.01e6fec0@pop.free.fr>


>>THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO CONTINUE.

that's perfectly fine with me.

f.



From hub at x-arn.org  Fri May 21 14:14:46 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:14:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: open index 
Message-ID: <1027.82.65.206.98.1085141686.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>





OPEN INDEX : http://www.x-arn.org/

Feel free to feed this hyper-simple I/O system.




hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub




From a2h at gmx.ch  Fri May 21 14:46:52 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:46:52 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040520233230.01e3f328@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040520233230.01e3f328@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <p05200f01bcd3a9b265fd@[80.218.208.160]>


>>who is this jesus character?
>
>I don't know, I haven't seen the movie.

who cares about the movie since the figure is anyway idealogicaly a 
make-up without any references to historical reality - so 'he' is 
free to everything you want to believe. that much for virtuality.


From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 21 16:35:49 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:35:49 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <p05200f01bcd3a9b265fd@[80.218.208.160]>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040520233230.01e3f328@pop.free.fr>
 <p05200f01bcd3a9b265fd@[80.218.208.160]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521163318.020a6490@pop.free.fr>

At 14:46 21/05/2004, you wrote:
 >who cares about the movie since the figure is anyway idealogicaly a 
make-up without any references to historical reality - so 'he' is free to 
everything you want to believe. that much for virtuality.


what I find really interesting is that, unlike superman or batman or any 
other comics hero, the story line is always exactly the same, it is the 
story telling which makes the difference that the audience will fight over

f.



From eric.m at bobig.com  Fri May 21 18:43:11 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:43:11 +0200
Subject: guili guili
Message-ID: <40AE319F.3040804@bobig.com>

http://www.bobig.com/photoblog/archives/002087.html



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 19:20:31 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:20:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405211720.i4LHKVx93509@www.god-emil.dk>


>>>who is this jesus character?
>>
>>I don't know, I haven't seen the movie.
>
>who cares about the movie since the figure is anyway idealogicaly a 
>make-up without any references to historical reality - so 'he' is 
>free to everything you want to believe. that much for virtuality.

... you may meet    one day hence it is hoped you are disappointed




>what I find really interesting is that, unlike superman or batman or any 
>other comics hero, the story line is always exactly the same, it is the 
>story telling which makes the difference that the audience will fight over

if 2x werent attractive the character would be what he really is 





From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 20:16:33 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:16:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405211816.i4LIGXI93590@www.god-emil.dk>





syndicate contest +?  http://web.tickle.com


classic - 131
super iq - 141









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 20:25:02 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:25:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405211825.i4LIP2k93612@www.god-emil.dk>






>syndicate contest +?  http://web.tickle.com
>
>
>classic - 131
>super iq - 141


more xy diagrams

http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic22593.jpg
http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic03656.gif
http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic27080.gif
http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic03343.gif







From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Fri May 21 17:57:41 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (Johan Meskens CS3 jmcs3)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:57:41 -0300
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From replic88t at replic88t.net  Fri May 21 14:33:14 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:33:14 +0100
Subject: Artist registers herself as company limited by shares!
Message-ID: <07A47202-AB23-11D8-BAF0-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>

REPLIC**T Ltd - company information.html

In today's art world the role of the artist has become 
indistinguishable from that of the corporation. Late
capitalism has fully integrated artistic criticism and in turn artists 
have become capitalism's ground troops. Todays art is one of 
integration not resistance. In recognition of the extraordinary 
possibilities and potentials of such a coupling the artist Replic**t 
has taken the marriage of business and art to its logical end and 
registered herself as a private company limited by shares.


Replic**t Ltd is an attempt by the artist to use the coporate 
environment for the dissemination of her artwork and herself. In one of 
the decades most avant garde and honest aesthetic manoeuvres, Replic**t 
limited sidesteps the gallery distribution system and art market 
altogether by turning to the corporation as the ultimate vehicle for 
the dissemination of the artist and art work.


Replic**t Ltd's primary interest lies in exploring the potential of the 
artist as an entity dominated by global business interests. In the firm 
belief that art no longer has the universal value previously attributed 
to it Replic**t Ltd wholly integrates art and artist into the business 
domain. She uses pre-existing corporate structures and strategies and 
locates herself within the already produced discourses of commodity 
culture, looking at replication as a potential and effective form of 
global hegemony.

REPLIC**T LTD WILL BE LIVE ONLINE TODAY AT 3PM BST.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY MOVE, 
BECOME A SHAREHOLDER OR DISCUSS PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT VISIT

WWW.FURTHERFIELD.ORG/FURTHERSTUIDO.
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From loy at myrealbox.com  Fri May 21 23:49:02 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:49:02 +0200
Subject: [lo_y.reduziert(0.tolerance): [d.numbRed: [syndicate] . | " ||
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http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=56
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 23:14:29 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:14:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405212114.i4LLETK93830@www.god-emil.dk>



Dear REPLIC**T Ltd

Ko[r]porate maneuvers by occident MOTHER FUCKERS on Syndicate are strictly forbidden.
Do it again + your komponents shall be promptly evakuated, fascist MOTHER FUCKER.

GD





>REPLIC**T Ltd - company information.html
>
>In today's art world the role of the artist has become 
>indistinguishable from that of the corporation. Late
>capitalism has fully integrated artistic criticism and in turn artists 
>have become capitalism's ground troops. Todays art is one of 
>integration not resistance. In recognition of the extraordinary 
>possibilities and potentials of such a coupling the artist Replic**t 
>has taken the marriage of business and art to its logical end and 
>registered herself as a private company limited by shares.
>
>
>Replic**t Ltd is an attempt by the artist to use the coporate 








From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 21:37:15 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 21:37:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405211937.i4LJbFv93737@www.god-emil.dk>



>>more xy diagrams
>>
>>http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic22593.jpg
>>http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic03656.gif
>>http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic27080.gif
>>http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic03343.gif
>>
>
>pfff ..
>some females are able to develop compassion

oui mais ... most females will never develop
a sense of xy humour






From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May 22 07:24:38 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 01:24:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 3d
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405220124270.27852@panix3.panix.com>



3d

you don't get it do you. every one of us is writing past the other. the
days of online trust are past. we are passing each other like nighttime
ships. there are no connections but misrecognitions. what can i take from
this community. what can you give me. it's just another form of greed. you
can't take it can you. who do you think you're fooling. you're really a
piece of work. you're really something else.

i don't get it do i. every one of us is writing past the other. the days
of online trust are past. we are passing each other like nighttime ships.
there are no connections but misrecognitions. what can i take from this
community. what can i give me. it's just another form of greed. i can't
take it can i. who do i think i're fooling. i're really a piece of work.
i're really something else.

they don't get it do they. every one of us is writing past the other. the
days of online trust are past. we are passing each other like nighttime
ships. there are no connections but misrecognitions. what can i take from
this community. what can they give me. it's just another form of greed.
they can't take it can they. who do they think they're fooling. they're
really a piece of work. they're really something else.


-


From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 21 22:02:23 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 22:02:23 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521220136.01eacec0@pop.free.fr>

At 21:28 21/05/2004, you wrote:
>the true answer is:
>      * win a chess game from lo_y

because you always refuse to play ?

>>who is this jesus character?
>
>http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=374

thanks! 



From e at various-euro.com  Fri May 21 23:42:23 2004
From: e at various-euro.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=80?=)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:42:23 +0200
Subject: New BALKAN ANTOLOGY_2000-2005! The Balkans are being
  discovered again!
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040521234212.0415d8e8@pop.1und1.com>

BALKAN ANTOLOGY 2000-2005!!!
The Balkans are being discovered again!!!!
**********************************************************************
Mr Roger Buergel, new Artistic Director of the Documenta 12 is very glad to 
invite Zampa di Leone, like a special guest for Documenta 12.
You are strongly recommended to download Zampa di Leone content from internet;
adress is:

http://zampa.various-euro.com

**********************************************************************

Zampa di Leone perspective is to provide an authentic and honest portrait 
of the Balkan region and Europe.
The BALKANS ANTOLOGY-2000-2005-"In the Arse of the Balkan", was conceived 
to establish a platform for an open dialogue between the Balkans and 
Western Europe while simultaneously encouraging avenues of communication 
between Southeast-European countries themselves and especialy West Balkan 
Region between all regions itself in transition.
"In the Arse of the Balkan" dealing with phenomenon of cultural activism 
and artistic practices in the West Balkan region and Europe in the last 
half of decade. It is really complex collaboration, dealing with the global 
problems with very nice artistic perspectives, both historic and 
contemporary, all demonstrate the creative energy and the intellectual 
potential of contemporary life from the Balkans.

Known (IRWIN, Rasha, Milica Tomic, Urosh Djuric, Luchezar Bojadjiev, 
etc...) and unknown( Gera, mr.Hammer) avant-garde artist and cultural 
activists (Muda.org) are here to show us better perspective...

direct links:
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E3VAMPIR.GIF
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E4IRWIN.GIF
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E5UROSTO.GIF
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E6BIENNI.GIF
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E7MEDIAA.GIF



From loy at myrealbox.com  Sat May 22 10:45:06 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:45:06 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521220136.01eacec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040522103613.01dcd9d0@pop3.myrealbox.com>

At 22:02 21/05/04 +0200, Frederic Madre wrote:
>At 21:28 21/05/2004, you wrote:
>>the true answer is:
>>      * win a chess game from lo_y
>
>because you always refuse to play ?

becuz i'm a genius

( worth $16.25 - http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=genius%20lo_y )


>>>who is this jesus character?
>>
>>http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=374
>
>thanks!

np

lo_y





From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May 22 05:44:26 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:44:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Palm Berthe
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405212344160.20343@panix3.panix.com>



Executive Summary by Ian Murray

Palm Berthe

Nikuko speaks: I speak. Nikuko speaks: I
Nikuko
Nikuko speaks:
Nikuko speaks: I speak.
Languages are one language of pain and retribution.


_


From media at ezaic.de  Sat May 22 14:20:46 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:20:46 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405211937.i4LJbFv93737@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405211937.i4LJbFv93737@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a06002000bcd4f4b691cd@[82.83.227.6]>


>
>xy humour


it is always and always again

a source for surprise








                                                         *





 
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From media at ezaic.de  Sat May 22 14:44:00 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:44:00 +0200
Subject: again
Message-ID: <a06002001bcd4f86c7053@[82.82.95.148]>


sympa.art[simply.confused]

http://anart.no/sympa/arc/syndicate/2004-05/mail10.html#00288





my pseudonyms are Wade Oconnor, Edward Diamond, Rene Jefferson etc ..



Kerry Ratliff - nn

Rogelio Bowling - Alan


From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sat May 22 15:47:49 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:47:49 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
References: <200405211937.i4LJbFv93737@www.god-emil.dk> <a06002000bcd4f4b691cd@[82.83.227.6]>
Message-ID: <009e01c44003$5f6ee840$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

;-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "claudia westermann" <media at ezaic.de>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate]


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> it is always and always again
>
> a source for surprise
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From thth at noos.fr  Sat May 22 17:30:46 2004
From: thth at noos.fr (TH)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:30:46 +0200
Subject: so trendy* in PARIS.
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040522103613.01dcd9d0@pop3.myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <MEBBJLHHIBKMFNEPDLLDMECNCJAA.thth@noos.fr>

http://casseurs2hype.free.fr/black/tofs/petanque2.JPG
http://casseurs2hype.free.fr/black/tofs/petanque.JPG


* http://casseurs2hype.free.fr/hype.JPG (same shit)






From hub at x-arn.org  Sat May 22 17:41:18 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:41:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Artist registers herself as company limited by shares!
Message-ID: <1024.82.255.131.26.1085240478.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>



>REPLIC**T Ltd - company information.html

>In today's art world the role of the artist has become
>indistinguishable from that of the corporation. Late
>capitalism has fully integrated artistic criticism and in turn artists
>have become capitalism's ground troops. Todays art is one of
>integration not resistance. In recognition of the extraordinary
>possibilities and potentials of such a coupling the artist Replic**t
>has taken the marriage of business and art to its logical end and
>registered herself as a private company limited by shares.



The art firm for imaginary products, PROTOPLAST AG was founded in Basel as
an «action company» in 1990 in response to the identity crisis in the
world of consumer goods. The firm is a pioneer and market leader in the
development, production and marketing of imaginary products. PROTOPLAST
understands imaginary products as brand names and their distinctive trade
marks. The firm raised its profile considerably with the launching of such
products as LIGHT® on Swiss TV channel SF1 in 1993, BOBO® at the
Kunsthalle Basel in 1995, GRAU® in the Culture Capital of Europe (Weimar
’99) in 1999, and INDEX® at Zurich’s Museum of Design in 2001. The
PROTOPLAST product family now numbers 18 products ranging from VVVIRUS® to
POM-0-PORN®.

http://www.protoplast.ch/profile.html


the etoy.CORPORATION is a controversial global player online since 1994.
etoy uses the corporate structure to maximize cultural value: the final
link in the value chain. for etoy the dramatic problems of globalization
are not to be solved by simply rejecting global markets, economic exchange
that drive companies, culture, individuals and politics.
by sharing risk, resources, maintaining a strong brand and maximizing the
shareholder value, the etoy.CORPORATION seeks to explore social, cultural
and financial value. etoy.SHAREHOLDERS invest time, knowledge, and ideas
(or simply finance) etoy.OPERATIONS which focus on the overlap of
entertainment, cultural, social and economic values. etoy.SHAREHOLDERS
participate in a dynamic artwork that takes place 24 hours a day in the
middle of society -- on and offline.

http://www.etoy.com/





hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 22 17:46:59 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:46:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405221546.i4MFkx397744@www.god-emil.dk>




>>REPLIC**T Ltd - company information.html
>
>>In today's art world the role of the artist has become
>>indistinguishable from that of the corporation. Late
>>capitalism has fully integrated artistic criticism and in turn artists
>>have become capitalism's ground troops. Todays art is one of
>>integration not resistance. In recognition of the extraordinary
>>possibilities and potentials of such a coupling the artist Replic**t
>>has taken the marriage of business and art to its logical end and
>>registered herself as a private company limited by shares.
>
>
>
>The art firm for imaginary products, PROTOPLAST AG was founded in Basel as
>an <AB>action company<BB> in 1990 in response to the identity crisis in the
>world of consumer goods. The firm is a pioneer and market leader in the
>development, production and marketing of imaginary products. PROTOPLAST
>understands imaginary products as brand names and their distinctive trade
>marks. The firm raised its profile considerably with the launching of such
>products as LIGHT<AE> on Swiss TV channel SF1 in 1993, BOBO<AE> at the
>Kunsthalle Basel in 1995, GRAU<AE> in the Culture Capital of Europe (Weimar
><92>99) in 1999, and INDEX<AE> at Zurich<92>s Museum of Design in 2001. The
>PROTOPLAST product family now numbers 18 products ranging from VVVIRUS<AE> to
>POM-0-PORN<AE>.
>
>http://www.protoplast.ch/profile.html
>
>
>the etoy.CORPORATION is a controversial global player online since 1994.
>etoy uses the corporate structure to maximize cultural value: the final
>link in the value chain. for etoy the dramatic problems of globalization
>are not to be solved by simply rejecting global markets, economic exchange
>that drive companies, culture, individuals and politics.
>by sharing risk, resources, maintaining a strong brand and maximizing the
>shareholder value, the etoy.CORPORATION seeks to explore social, cultural
>and financial value. etoy.SHAREHOLDERS invest time, knowledge, and ideas
>(or simply finance) etoy.OPERATIONS which focus on the overlap of
>entertainment, cultural, social and economic values. etoy.SHAREHOLDERS
>participate in a dynamic artwork that takes place 24 hours a day in the
>middle of society -- on and offline.
>
>http://www.etoy.com/



duuuuuu mb mf ... 

http://www.aec.at/
http://www.v2.nl/
http://www.transmediale.de/
http://any MOTHER FUCKING occident artist organization


the most hazlie part = that these MOTHER FUCKERS exploit indivs to serve the korporate velt
yet they themselves are simply MOTHER FUCKING destitute. korporations are simply.laughing
at the simply.duuuuuu mb MOTHER FUCKERS










From hub at x-arn.org  Sat May 22 18:32:17 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:32:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: open index RSS feeds
Message-ID: <1024.82.255.131.26.1085243537.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>




You may want to check (easy) if your links are stable in the open index,
or already destroyed in this small and gentle battlefield ?

Just drop these RSS feeds in your favorite aggregator :

Last modifications :
http://x-arn.org/index_rss.php

12 Positions :
http://x-arn.org/index_rss2.php

Open Index : http://x-arn.org/


hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub






From ivo at reporters.net  Sat May 22 18:11:02 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:11:02 -0400
Subject: Should USA "Redefine the Enemy?"
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040521190119.029f15e8@pop.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <40AF4356.15226.17CD3AAE@localhost>

Jenkins desperately tries to think "out of the box" - but that is 
simply impossible for him who spent more than 30 years inside the 
box.

That's why his analysis reads like a comedy. He reminds me of various 
senior advisors to top ranking communist party members of old 
Yugoslavia, who wrote countless analytic papers like this one in the 
decade after Tito's death.

They all contained a fundamental flaw: they all thought about 
redefining communist Yugoslavia, instead of abandoning it and 
accepting the real change. 

In analogy, Jenkins's flaw is that he is still thinking of IT as a 
war that needs to be won. OK, suicide bombers are indeed a different 
kind of enemy than Soviets. And, indeed, they may have their own 
valid reasons for acting the way they were. 

But we can still WIN. We just need to redefine our way of fighting. 
Tsk, tsk, tsk.... Never learn they will, as Yoda would say. What 
Jenkins refuses to accept is that this war cannot be won, and 
therefore that it is not worth fighting. 

Instead the reasons for it need to be removed - economically, 
politically, culturally, in ways not yet imagined by anybody, least 
the good old marine who made the career of selling advice on how to 
win wars.

ivo

On 21 May 2004 at 19:34, CERJ at igc.org wrote:

"There are no noncombatants."

WTF kind of statement is this?

Brian Michael Jenkins is a senior adviser to the president of the 
RAND
Corporation and, according to RAND, "one of the world’s leading
authorities on international terrorism."

I vigorously disagree with this article on many points -- mainly its
entire worldview -- but it's an example of the kind of thing that the
US government might be inclined to listen to these days.

To me, it sounds like a 'swan song'.

This guy talks about 'changing our midsets' ... he should start by
looking in the mirror.  It is the 'us vs them' mindset that has to
change.

-- John Wilmerding
_ _ _

Brian M. Jenkins founded the RAND Corporation's terrorism research
program in 1972, has written frequently on "terrorism", and has 
served
as an advisor to the federal government and the private sector on the
subject.  He is a former Army captain who served with Special Forces
in the Dominican Republic  and later in Vietnam (1966-70), and is 
also
a former deputy chairman of Kroll Associates, which develops
electronics end-user products and is a major government contractor. 
In 1996, he was appointed by President Clinton to be a member of the
White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security.  He has 
served
as an advisor to the National Commission on Terrorism (1999-2000), 
and
in 2000 was appointed as a member of the U.S. Comptroller General's
Advisory Board.  He is also a special advisor to the International
Chamber of Commerce (ICC) and a member of the board of directors of
the ICC's Commercial Crime Services.

Jenkins has authored many books, including 'International Terrorism: 
A
New Mode of Conflict'.  He is the editor and co-author of 'Terrorism
and Personal Protection', coeditor and coauthor of 'Aviation 
Terrorism
and Security', and coauthor of 'The Fall of South Vietnam'.  He is
often interviewed on terrorism-related issues on all three major U.S.
networks, BBC, CNN, and Fox News Channel, and for newspaper articles
in New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and L.A.
Times as well as Associated Press and Reuters news services.

http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/spring2004/enemy.ht
ml

Redefining the Enemy
The World Has Changed, But Our Mindset Has Not
by Brian Michael Jenkins

We wage a "global war on terror"—a confusing conflation of
threats—while we continue to concentrate on future conventional wars
with hypothetical, nation-state foes.  We still consign all "lesser
contingencies" to the "other war" as opposed to the "real war."  We
still tend to view the enemy through the narrow bores and restricted
optics of our existing national security structure.  The 9/11
Commission hearings reveal the difficulty we have in addressing foes
that fall outside our normal field of vision.  We tend to focus on
what we can hit with our capabilities.

Our imagination fails us when it comes to low-tech, high-consequence
attack scenarios.  At the other end of the spectrum, I believe that 
we
overestimate the readiness of even those we label "rogue states" to
provide uncontrolled terrorists with weapons of mass destruction.  At
the same time, we cling to the comforting notion that terrorists
cannot ascend above a certain level of violence without state 
support,
that al Qaeda could not have done 9/11 on its own and certainly could
not acquire a nuclear capability without government sponsorship.

While we argue whether organized crime would participate in a nuclear
black market (which, in fact, would never operate like a traditional
black market), we miss the more complex wildcat operation of
Pakistan’s senior nuclear scientists.  We tend to treat drug
traffickers and terrorists as a single hyphenated foe -- another
simplistic conflation, albeit one that was useful in overcoming the
equally mistaken notion that the United States could assist in
combating the drug traffic in Colombia without countering the
insurgents financed by it.  But then priorities change, and we ignore
the vital role of the drug traffic in central Asia as we
single-mindedly pursue terrorists.

We continue to debate whether terrorism should be treated as war or 
as
crime, with military force or through law enforcement.  We
underestimate the power of militarily inferior foes, tribal 
loyalties,
difficult terrain, religious conviction, unceasing hostilities,
gruesome images broadcast on television, and other unconventional
measures of power.

It is time for us to take a deliberately unconventional, broad, and
inclusive approach.  The objective here is to avoid depicting the
enemy as a convenient mirror image of our existing organization,
missions, capabilities, and preferences, and instead to sketch a
dynamic group portrait of the foes we are already dealing with today
and will be dealing with for the foreseeable future.  My intention is
not to argue for one threat over another.  No single scenario
predominates.  That is the point.

New World Disorder

For the United States, the enemy or -- more correctly -- the enemies
we face have changed fundamentally over the past decade.  In addition
to a few hostile or potentially hostile states, our enemies include
terrorists, weapons proliferators, organized crime affiliates, drug
traffickers, and cyber-outlaws.  In some circumstances, we may find
ourselves confronting embittered factions motivated by long-standing
religious, ethnic, or tribal conflicts.  The enemies of yesterday 
were
static, predictable, homogeneous, rigid, hierarchical, and resistant
to change.  The enemies of today are dynamic, unpredictable, diverse,
fluid, networked, and constantly evolving.

There is no single military power that can match the United States,
but the diverse adversaries pose an array of security challenges. 
Each one is unique, requiring great adaptability on our part. 
Predictability, which all institutions seek, is not on the horizon. 
Responses dictated by military doctrine will not work.

Today’s foes do not threaten the global devastation that would result
from an all-out nuclear exchange -- the paramount concern during the
Cold War -- but their capabilities could nonetheless ascend to
disastrous levels of destruction.  And, because of the greater
likelihood of their initiating hostile action, today’s foes, were 
they
able to obtain even primitive weapons of mass destruction, may be
considered even more dangerous than would those of yesterday.

Meanwhile, borders have dissolved.  There are no front lines.  There
are no noncombatants.  Our defenses begin abroad but do not end at 
our
borders.  Our defenses must continue within our own territory. 
Increasingly, our foes operate not on conventional battlefields, but
in a gray area where traditional notions of crime and armed conflict
overlap.

In the case of international terrorism, we in America originally
viewed the problem as primarily a law enforcement one, seeking the
cooperation of the international community either in outlawing and
preventing attacks against certain targets (commercial aviation,
diplomats, and diplomatic facilities) or in preventing the use of
certain tactics like taking hostages, while asserting our legal
jurisdiction either to apprehend terrorists abroad or to use military
force in response to terrorist attacks.  Since Sept. 11, 2001, we 
have
treated international terrorism more as a form of war, although we
still depend heavily upon law enforcement, here and abroad, to
apprehend individual terrorists.  We should be learning that we 
cannot
choose between one or the other, either law enforcement or war. 
Effectively responding to the foes we face requires orchestrating
activities in both dimensions.  In addition, we need to invent some
entirely new -- for us, at least -- concepts.

The threats we face today are likely to engage us for many years. 
Chronic conflicts lasting decades persist in several parts of the
world: Burma, Colombia, India, Peru, the Philippines, Sudan, Sri
Lanka, and the Basque region of Spain.  In a similar fashion, our
terrorist foes see war as a perpetual condition.  They are determined
to beleaguer us, destroy our domestic tranquility, disrupt our
economy, make our lives untenable.  For Americans, accustomed to
thinking of war as a finite undertaking, the notion of permanent war
is especially hard to accept.

Political, economic, and technological developments during the past 
15
years have also fundamentally altered the ecology of armed conflict
and crime.  The end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet
empire, the globalization of the economy, and the rapid development 
of
information technologies have generated new causes of conflict,
created new vulnerabilities, and provided adversaries with new
capabilities.  Consequently, we now face a far more complex tapestry
of intractable threats:

* Large-scale terrorist attacks that may take place anywhere in the
world, including the U.S. homeland 

* the continuing development in some countries of weapons of mass
destruction, and the possibility that these may come into the hands 
of
political or criminal gangs

* chronic warfare, that in some countries has become a lucrative
economic enterprise

* local and regional ethnic and tribal conflicts that may suddenly
erupt in genocide and humanitarian disasters, or that may preserve
chaotic ungoverned 'badlands' where warlords and terrorists find
refuge 

* increasingly globalized organized crime engaged in drug 
trafficking,
the smuggling of human beings, and possibly trafficking in the
ingredients of weapons of mass destruction

* the exploitation of the Internet by criminals or terrorists

* the potential for sophisticated remote sabotage. 

All of these threats have been elevated to the level of national
security concerns, meriting the employment of military assets, at
times requiring military intervention even in cases where U.S.
security may not be directly threatened.  Of particular importance to
those charged with national security, these threats do not align with
how we have organized ourselves -- our military assets, our troops,
our planning scenarios -- to deal with national security.

As evidenced by structural adjustments within the government, we have
begun to adapt through:

* the merger of several departments to create a separate department
for homeland security

* the erection of "scaffolds" (such as the Terrorist Threat
Integration Center) to bridge gaps between institutions

* the creation of entirely new entities like the Transportation
Security Agency and the Pentagon’s new North America Command

* the continuing exhortations to improve information sharing and
interdepartmental cooperation, and talk about additional new entities
to address specific tasks now performed with difficulty by existing
institutions -- an MI5 for America, modeled on the British security
service.

We have re-configured our institutions to better address "the spaces
in between," but we have been far more reluctant to tamper with the
basic institutions themselves.  We have not fundamentally changed our
habits of thought.

Most of the threats also transcend national frontiers, demonstrating
the limits of protection that any national government can provide to
its citizens.  Combating the threats will require sustained political
will and a level of international coordination that remains to be
achieved.  But how much coordination can be achieved without 
affecting
the core element of sovereignty?  Our European allies are struggling
with this issue now.

The U.S. armed forces today naturally continue to train for war with
an enemy that could pose a direct military challenge -- the potential
"near-peers."  The most frequently mentioned candidates are a 
powerful
and hostile China or a revived revanchist Russia, although their need
for stability and economic growth make war with either seem unlikely.

On the next tier down, in our hierarchy of standard planning
scenarios, are regional powers like North Korea or potentially Iran. 
These countries now or may soon possess strategic weapons that could
directly threaten U.S. territory.

But while looking toward enemies who might aspire to fight on our
terms, the armed forces actually fight a very different set of
battles: a bloody resistance movement in Iraq; a combination of the
Taliban, al Qaeda, and warlords in Afghanistan; a worldwide manhunt
for the leaders of al Qaeda.  Then there are those conflicts that do
not directly threaten our national security but require military 
force
to rescue or protect American citizens, restore order, apprehend an
accused war criminal or an indicted head of state, prevent ethnic
cleansing, retaliate for acts of terrorism, or hunt for terrorist
leaders.

Such operations account for most of the U.S. military interventions 
in
the last quarter century: Lebanon, Grenada, Libya, Iran, Panama, 
Iraq,
Somalia, Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Sudan, the Philippines,
Liberia, and now Haiti again.  Future scenarios could see civil war 
in
Iraq, collapse in Afghanistan, chaos in North Korea or post-Castro
Cuba, a coup in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, U.S. hostages taken in
Colombia, or possibly some disaster that causes a collapse in Mexico,
sending a tidal wave of desperate refugees streaming north.

Often in such cases, we will be confronting petty tyrants and local
warlords commanding inferior but vicious militias, engaged in ethnic
or tribal conflict, or dedicated to war as a profitable enterprise,
while hundreds of thousands of civilian victims clamor for 
protection.
 Our enemies will not be nations or armies, but small groups of
individuals or angry mobs.  To respond to them will require
adaptability and rapidly mobilized, specialized local knowledge.

In terms of intelligence, we need to be able to get smart fast.  We
need the capability for networked, multilateral threat analysis --
comparable to "real-time intelligence on the battlefield" -- to
generate information that can be packaged and used quickly by a
soldier in Afghanistan, a magistrate in France, a cop in Singapore, a
Marine in Haiti.  We do not yet have this capability.

Countering Proliferation

At one time, I would have argued that there was a firebreak between
weapons proliferation at the national level and potential terrorist
use of weapons of mass destruction.  Historically, terrorists seldom
sought mass casualties.  Morality and self-image -- plus practical
concerns about group cohesion, alienating perceived constituents, or
provoking popular crackdowns -- constrained their violence.

As we have seen, however, these self-imposed constraints, which were
never universal or immutable, eroded significantly in the last decade
of the 20th century, especially among those inspired by religious
ideologies, which, in their view, provided God’s mandate.  Large-
scale
indiscriminate violence became more common, while some groups sought
more exotic means of inflicting death and causing alarm.

A cult in Japan unleashed nerve gas in Tokyo’s subways, but not 
before
it had experimented with biological weapons and made inquiries about
the availability of nuclear weapons in Russia.  The avatars of al
Qaeda and Jemaah Islamiyah have shown persistent interest in 
chemical,
biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons.  Fortunately, their
capabilities still trail their ambitions.  We are most likely to see
crude scenarios in which the psychological effects vastly exceed the
actual casualties, but weapons of mass destruction have entered the
terrorists’ imagination, if not yet their arsenal.

It is still wrong to conflate national proliferation efforts with
terrorist ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction.  
Dictators
of rogue states that acquire nuclear weapons seem unlikely to turn
them over to uncontrolled terrorists except perhaps as part of an
Armageddon defense.  However, proliferation at the state level does
indirectly facilitate terrorist acquisition through the spread of
know-how and arsenals.  Ironically, though, successfully shutting 
down
weapons research may also promote underground proliferation.  Rogue
scientists, deprived of opportunities in national programs -- as in
Russia, Iraq, or Libya -- may seek other profitable outlets for their
expertise.  While some scientists may seek compensation, others may
look for revenge.  This is the stuff of scary novels, but the 
distance
between what we read on airplanes and what we read in intelligence
estimates has narrowed.

The imperative to destroy weapons of mass destruction has been
complicated by the trend toward smaller groups of adversaries -- and
by our responses to them.  As a consequence of perceived U.S.
intelligence failures in Iraq, it will now be very difficult to
mobilize support for military intervention aimed at regime change for
the stated purpose of neutralizing weapons of mass destruction. 
Preemption in the future may instead need to be aimed at specific
facilities to be investigated or destroyed, specific shipments of
material to be intercepted, or specific individuals to be targeted. 
To support these missions will place even greater demands on
intelligence, accuracy, speed, and precision.  Waiting too long to 
act
will increase the threat; getting it wrong will further erode our
already damaged credibility.

"Soldiers" of Terrorism

The most immediate threat we face is terrorism.  The global jihad
being waged by al Qaeda and like-minded Islamist fanatics draws upon
these historical roots: 

* Muslim reactions to colonial rule 

* continued military defeats at the hands of the West 

* a deep sense of humiliation and desire for revenge 

* failures of governments and economies in North Africa, the Middle
East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia

* increased emigration and the isolation and alienation often felt by
marginalized immigrant communities

* a growing sense of unity among all Muslims fed by charismatic
communicators, like Osama bin Laden, who use images of suffering -- 
in
Bosnia, Chechnya, Palestine, and Iraq, reinforced daily on Arab
satellite television -- to indoctrinate followers

* the common sense of purpose and lasting connections created by the
ultimately successful jihad against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

We avoid the construct, but it is -- for America’s current jihadist
foes -- a religious war starting centuries ago and lasting until
judgment day.  It is this mindset that has been grafted upon the
tactics of contemporary terrorism.  The two now flow together,
applying jihadist codes of operation to a terrorist repertoire.  It 
is
a powerful and dangerous combination.

Today’s terrorist adversaries have no intention of matching America’s
superior military capability.  They intend to exploit its
vulnerabilities.  Like all religious fanatics, they see themselves as
morally superior, armed with the sword of God, commanded to wage a
holy war.  They see Americans as soulless, spineless, materialistic
beings, unwilling to make sacrifices -- people whose sole measures of
well-being are the Dow Jones average and retail consumption, 
desperate
for the peace and tranquility that the terrorists can deny.

The 9/11 attacks had cascading effects on the economy.  Total direct
and indirect costs amounted to hundreds of billions of dollars, and
the effects are still being felt in some sectors.  Terrorists have
recognized the potential of economic warfare.  They speak about this
potential more often, although they have yet to fully exploit it.

Tomorrow’s terrorists might become more adept in this endeavor.  They
could attempt to destroy our economy through terror alone -- periodic
devastating attacks, perhaps years apart, that will ensure the
credibility of their continuing threats in the years in between.  
They
already are becoming more adept at shaping our perceptions, 
exploiting
the global news media to conduct "effect-based operations" in which
they observe and measure how their own chatter and threats provoke
security alerts that impose costly security measures and disrupt the
economy.

Or they might move in the direction of cyber-terrorism, applying
technical skills to the task of protracted warfare against our
information systems and commerce, possibly even carrying out remote
physical sabotage via the Internet.  What is now competitive "sport"
to design a more malicious computer virus could become a
more-organized strategy of destruction, or "virtual jihad."

"Combatants" of Organized Crime

The same conditions that foster terrorism also provide opportunities
to organized crime.  Failed government institutions, collapse of
authority, cities filled with unemployed young men can be found in
badlands and bad neighborhoods around the world.  Organized crime has
exploited its new space, as any other business corporation would, to
include global sourcing, diversifying into new profitable areas,
developing new markets, creating new business alliances.

The relationships between organized crime and terrorism are diverse
and complex.  To finance their operations, some terrorist groups have
turned to crime or forged alliances of convenience with criminal
groups, as in Colombia.  In other parts of the world, organized crime
is so pervasive and powerful that it challenges the state, as in the
Balkans.  In still other countries, the rulers themselves are
criminals commanding states -- sovereign outlaws.

Gangsters may recruit extremists to carry out terrorist attacks, as 
in
Mumbai, India.  National governments may employ criminals to attack
foreign foes.  Insurgents may move into organized crime.  
Professional
criminals may act as middlemen in the transfer of small arms,
explosives, or the ingredients of weapons of mass destruction; or 
they
may provide the routes for the clandestine delivery of such weapons. 
Money-laundering is an industry that serves both terrorists and
organized crime.

Smaller but More Virulent

Power is descending.  Violence is escalating.  In 1974, I wrote that
the power to kill, destroy, disrupt, cause alarm, and oblige 
societies
to divert vast resources to security is descending into the hands of
smaller and smaller groups whose grievances, real or imaginary, it
will not always be possible to satisfy.  The irreconcilables,
fanatics, and lunatics -- who have existed throughout history -- have
become an increasingly potent force to be reckoned with.

Subsequent events have borne this out.  Over the past three decades,
terrorists have multiplied the number of their victims by an order of
magnitude every 15 years.  In the 1970s, the bloodiest terrorist
incidents involved tens of fatalities.  By the 1990s, hundreds were
being killed in the worst incidents, and these occurred more
frequently.  In 2001, the number reached the thousands, and today we
fear scenarios in which tens of thousands might die.

Killing on this scale is hard to do.  Conventional explosives alone
won't suffice, nor will chemical weapons, unless used in massive
quantities, or radiological attacks.  Only biological or nuclear
weapons can attain this level of lethality.

The exchange ratios are aligned against us. As we concern ourselves
more with avoiding collateral casualties, even conserving the lives 
of
enemy soldiers, our terrorist foes are more willing to carry out
large-scale indiscriminate attacks.  While our tolerance for friendly
casualties has declined, terrorists have turned their religious
conviction into a weapons system based on their readiness to die.

Time to Change

Increasingly, we are at war not with enemy states or enemy armies but
with small groups of people or with specific individuals: fugitive
terrorists, drug traffickers, warlords, dangerous dictators, rogue
scientists.  We find ourselves in the domain of manhunts, lethal
take-downs, and individually targeted killings.  The nature of these
missions blurs military operations with law enforcement, changes the
rules of engagement, and increases the requirement for precision,
whether in economic coercion or in the application of military power. 

That, in turn, increases the demands on intelligence and the ability
to rapidly exploit it.

Yet powerful institutional barriers to fundamental change remain.  In
the armed forces, there is still a tendency to view the current
situation as an anomaly -- as the "other war" as opposed to the "real
war," as missions to be consigned to specialized units rather than to
main forces, as opportunities to gain valuable field experience but
not a compelling argument to radically alter how we organize to 
fight.
 We adapt incrementally.  Given our great strength, that may suffice. 

But one wonders.  It is nowhere written that we will win.

Bronze Age kingdoms, from the Mycenaeans to the Hittites, waged
chariot warfare.  When relatively primitive challengers fielded 
hordes
of lightly armed foot soldiers, they changed the nature of warfare
itself.  The technologically advanced chariots became obsolete. 
Within a period of only several decades, the great Bronze Age 
kingdoms
themselves collapsed, great cities were destroyed, commerce was
significantly disrupted, and much of the civilized world slid into a
dark age that lasted 400 years.

Today, we confront an array of enemies whose diverse interests are
served by obviating U.S. military superiority, destroying American
cities, and disrupting commerce.  These are not the "wars" we would
prefer.  They are not the ones that fit into our planning scenarios. 
Nor are they the contests where we necessarily have the obvious
advantage.  To the contrary, they are the ones that compel us to
rethink our assumptions, to re-configure our forces, and to
re-invigorate our alliances.

Related Reading

Countering al Qaeda: An Appreciation of the Situation and Suggestions
for Strategy, Brian Michael Jenkins, RAND/MR-1620-RC, 2002, 41 pp.,
ISBN 0-8330-3264-X, $15.00.

Deterrence & Influence in Counterterrorism: A Component in the War on
Al Qaeda, Paul K. Davis, Brian Michael Jenkins, RAND/MR-1619-DARPA,
2002, 105 pp., ISBN 0-8330-3286-0, $20.00.

Remarks Before the Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United
States, Brian Michael Jenkins, RAND/CT-203, 2003, 13 pp., $5.00.

Terrorism: Current and Long Term Threats, Brian Michael Jenkins,
RAND/CT-187, 2001, 10 pp., $5.00.

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From mpalmer at jps.net  Sat May 22 20:25:24 2004
From: mpalmer at jps.net (mpalmer at jps.net)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:25:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: MORAL DILEMMAS
Message-ID: sympa.1085250201.16989.708@anart.no

MORAL DILEMMAS
IN 3 PARTS

PART I

Would you kill a person if it meant saving humanity?
How about if it meant saving a million people?
How about if it meant saving a thousand?
How about if it meant saving one?
How about if it meant saving a million of your worse enemies who only want to kill you?
How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity had the evil intentions of a Hitler and the means to carry them out?
How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity was your only child?
How about if you had to destroy humanity to save your only child?
How about if you had to kill yourself to save humanity?
How about if you had to kill yourself to save a million people?
How about if you had to kill yourself to save a thousand?
How about if you had to kill yourself to save one person?
How about if that one person you could save was your only child?


PART II

For "kill" in the above, substitute "torture" and redo where appropriate.
Such as:
Would you torture a person if it meant saving humanity?
Etc.


PART III

For "torture" in the above, substitute "reveal the secrets of" and redo where appropriate.
Such as:
Would you reveal the secrets of a person if it meant saving humanity?
Etc.


mwp


From fmadre at free.fr  Sat May 22 21:50:36 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 21:50:36 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] MORAL DILEMMAS
In-Reply-To: sympa.1085250201.16989.708@anart.no
References: <sympa.1085250201.16989.708@anart.no>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040522215023.02031a30@pop.free.fr>

why do you ask ?

f.

At 20:25 22/05/2004, mpalmer at jps.net wrote:
>MORAL DILEMMAS
>IN 3 PARTS
>
>PART I
>
>Would you kill a person if it meant saving humanity?
>How about if it meant saving a million people?
>How about if it meant saving a thousand?
>How about if it meant saving one?
>How about if it meant saving a million of your worse enemies who only want 
>to kill you?
>How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity had the evil 
>intentions of a Hitler and the means to carry them out?
>How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity was your only child?
>How about if you had to destroy humanity to save your only child?
>How about if you had to kill yourself to save humanity?
>How about if you had to kill yourself to save a million people?
>How about if you had to kill yourself to save a thousand?
>How about if you had to kill yourself to save one person?
>How about if that one person you could save was your only child?
>
>
>PART II
>
>For "kill" in the above, substitute "torture" and redo where appropriate.
>Such as:
>Would you torture a person if it meant saving humanity?
>Etc.
>
>
>PART III
>
>For "torture" in the above, substitute "reveal the secrets of" and redo 
>where appropriate.
>Such as:
>Would you reveal the secrets of a person if it meant saving humanity?
>Etc.
>
>
>mwp
>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Sat May 22 21:32:35 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 21:32:35 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] RE: Artist registers herself as company
  limited by shares!
In-Reply-To: <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>
References: <5C88CDE4-AC15-11D8-AE44-000A95C8E024@nungu.com>
 <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040522213220.020a5ec0@pop.free.fr>

At 19:42 22/05/2004, replic**t wrote:
>i the artist am the product.

I don't buy it

f. 



From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May 22 22:48:00 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:48:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fu
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405221647510.24304@panix3.panix.com>



Fu

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember standing on the corner of James and Charles Street talking
to Platt Townend and she said why do you have to bring up those thing,
referring to my writing on the medical cases in Nazi Germany.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember flinging her at the Blue and White dance across the floor just
to see if it could be done.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

The boys in the lockerrooms boasted of how many women they slept with, the
record being seventeen in one night.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember Cherie Kanjorski going with me to the prom because she couldn't
get anyone else to go with her and later she water-skied into a diving
board.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I made a secret list of my best friends because none of them were.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember Dina Raker's breasts and saying I was sad her dad (maybe it was
her mom) died and she said you're not you don't care at all.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember sitting out in a gym exercise and blaming the others for the
action and feeling shamed afterwards for my cowardice.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

The only way I could peel out with my mom's Plymouth was in reverse.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!


_


From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Sat May 22 21:42:36 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (Johan Meskens CS3 jmcs3)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:42:36 -0300
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040521234558.02896ec0@pop3.myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <2D6640A2-AC28-11D8-A25E-0003934D10E4@chromaticspaceandworld.com>








El viernes, 21 mayo, 2004, a las 18:49 America/Buenos_Aires, + lo_y. + 
escribió:









From ivo at reporters.net  Sat May 22 21:11:28 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:11:28 -0400
Subject: change of power
Message-ID: <40AF6DA0.8655.18726B6B@localhost>

Judging by the speed at which Iraqi Governing Council loses its 
members - to suicide bombings or American raids - there will be 
nobody left by June 30. And Americans were never really keen on 
letting Iraqis rule their country. They rather want to find a group 
of people who would agree to put up a good pretend-government for 
Iraqi people to believe that they are indeed a sovereign nation 
again. They are running out of options. Bush will inevitably sink in 
the Iraqi sand.
ivo


From a2h at gmx.ch  Sat May 22 23:49:39 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:49:39 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] RE: Artist registers herself as company limited
 by shares!
In-Reply-To: <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>
References: <5C88CDE4-AC15-11D8-AE44-000A95C8E024@nungu.com>
 <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>
Message-ID: <p05200f00bcd57a13591f@[80.218.208.160]>


>replic**t ltd is not a company set up by an artist to sell works //
>products imaginary.   replic**t ltd is the artist.

is protoplast and etoy your art?
or the messsage of it?
it seems you are trying to say something like the message is the art.
it's an old hat or fart.


a+


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 22 23:59:30 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:59:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405222159.i4MLxUj98136@www.god-emil.dk>



>Gayten, Center for Promotion of LGBT Human Rights, Pride, Association 
>for Promotion of Sexually Different People and Labris, Lesbian Rights 
>Group have expressed their utmost protest against the hate speech 
>used by a reporter of daily newspaper ''Politika'' in his coverage of 
>this year's Eurovision Song Contest in Istanbul.
>
>In an article entitled ''Lane one step from the victory'' (Lane na 
>korak do trona), dating from 17th May 2004, reporter Aleksandar 
>Gajovic warned about peril of this contest becoming a ''gay music 
>festival'', and questioned the ''manhood'' of participants, all in 
>very derogative and discriminative stand towards gays and lesbians.


democracy = gay



>hate speech

democracy = hate




>We would like to point out that such reporting constitutes both a 
>direct violation of the article 38 of Public Information Act, which 
>prohibits hate speech, and is not in accordance with Constitutional 
>Act of Serbia and Montenegro.

law + order = gay




>replic**t ltd is not a company set up by an artist to sell works // 
>products imaginary.   replic**t ltd is the artist.  i have registered 
>myself as a corporation not simply  registered a corporation for the 
>dissemination of work. 

you must be FUCKING gay DUDE.
Netochka Nezvanova has been a person + CEO of Netochka Nezvanova Corp.
for approx 4 years.



>that is why confessional work is merged with 

gay











From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 23 06:15:36 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:15:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405230415.i4N4Faa98944@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0522-04.htm

Get better intelligence. Terrorists are mysterious


therefore they must be great lovers







From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 23 06:20:25 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:20:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405230420.i4N4KPG98957@www.god-emil.dk>



>>Netochka Nezvanova has been a person + CEO of Netochka Nezvanova Corp.
>>for approx 4 years.
>
>;)

http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/buze.jpg


>and it will be good to work on the film with you
>because you have something to say
>which goes beyond a concept of a self employed artist as corporation

more smiles. as mentioned - occident xyz = simply.1.dimensional
that leaves the ost.eu xyz - this is what i have been saying aaalll along
... but i cannot do it all alone   -.o

komplex++



[xy humour = simply.superior to wisdom much as kindness = superior to wisdom
 lekker ost.eu smmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmile


apropos - Cycling74's fErRarI -> http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/cycling74.jpg






From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 23 08:31:52 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 02:31:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: paste
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405230231450.12233@panix3.panix.com>




everything washes out and directs itself no evidence left anywhere another
of numerous disappearances the color of the back of the body bears witness
but this isn't that this turns away from that this is an alternator an
alternative an alternation an altering www.asondheim.org/thewash.jpg cut
and paste cut and paste


_


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 23 08:48:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 08:48:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ everything washes out and directs itself no evidence left anywhere
Message-ID: <200405230648.i4N6mIO99098@www.god-emil.dk>





the time has come 
... our last good bye

you deserve a foto - http://www.immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/visualthesaurus.jpg


szzzz










From loy at myrealbox.com  Sun May 23 11:52:07 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:52:07 +0200
Subject: #0693
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040523114907.01da2560@logosfoundation.org>

[ http://www.theminimag.com/april04/lo_y/lo_y.html ]

[ recycling: http://www.the-hyper-age.com/byteloop/byteloop0001.html ]



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From media at ezaic.de  Sun May 23 15:05:13 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:05:13 +0200
Subject: Rafah Petition
Message-ID: <a06002003bcd64e543b00@[82.82.101.189]>

The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories


20.05.04: High Court Petition on Rafah Operation: Ensure Israel 
Upholds its Obligations According to Humanitarian Law

21 May 2004 Update: IDF Demolished 62 Houses in Brazil and a-Slam 
neighborhoods in Rafah, 741 People Left Homeless

This morning, the High Court of Justice held an urgent hearing to 
discuss a petition by Israeli human rights organizations which 
contains a series of humanitarian demands concerning the residents of 
Rafah. The petitioners, B'Tselem, the Association for Civil Rights in 
Israel, Physicians for Human Rights Israel and Ha'Moked: Center for 
the Defense of the Individual, demanded the IDF allow ambulances to 
evacuate the injured from Rafah to hospitals in the Gaza Strip, renew 
the supply of electricity, water, food and medical supplies to the 
besieged neighborhoods and allow access to the area to a team of 
Israeli physicians. The organizations also demanded the immediate 
investigation of the shelling of demonstrators on Wednesday, which 
killed eight demonstrators, including children.

During the hearing, the IDF claimed that medical supplies and 
ambulances are able to enter the camp. The IDF announced it would 
allow a truckload of medical equipment sent by Physicians for Human 
Rights Israel into the camp. The truck, which had been waiting for 
clearance since yesterday, entered Rafah immediately after the 
hearing. The judges announced their decision would be given at a 
later date.

[...] http://www.btselem.org/



see as well
http://www.adalah.org/eng/index.php


From media at ezaic.de  Sun May 23 15:31:50 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:31:50 +0200
Subject: EJJP - European Jews for a Just Peace - Convention in Paris
 (ending tomorrow)
Message-ID: <a06002004bcd65743531b@[82.82.101.189]>




The EJJP convention in Paris

The third EJJP convention will be held in Paris, starting on the 21st 
of May and ending on the 24th of May with a press conference. For the 
agenda of the convention and drafts of the resolutions and statements 
to be discussed

Source: EJJP-secretariat

-

see website for docs http://www2.ejjp.org/  (news section):

-conf programme.doc (22 kB)
-against_the_occupn_3-2.doc (20 kB)
-Amended-Amsterdam-Declaration.doc (20 kB)
-Open Letter to the EP and the Commission.doc (26 kB)


From mpalmer at jps.net  Sun May 23 03:12:07 2004
From: mpalmer at jps.net (MWP)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:12:07 -0700
Subject: [syndicate] MORAL DILEMMAS
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040522215023.02031a30@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <BCD54877.169FC%mpalmer@jps.net>

why do you want to know ?

m


on 5/22/04 12:50 PM, Frederic Madre at fmadre at free.fr wrote:

> why do you ask ?
> 
> f.
> 
> At 20:25 22/05/2004, mpalmer at jps.net wrote:
>> MORAL DILEMMAS
>> IN 3 PARTS
>> 
>> PART I
>> 
>> Would you kill a person if it meant saving humanity?
>> How about if it meant saving a million people?
>> How about if it meant saving a thousand?
>> How about if it meant saving one?
>> How about if it meant saving a million of your worse enemies who only want
>> to kill you?
>> How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity had the evil
>> intentions of a Hitler and the means to carry them out?
>> How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity was your only child?
>> How about if you had to destroy humanity to save your only child?
>> How about if you had to kill yourself to save humanity?
>> How about if you had to kill yourself to save a million people?
>> How about if you had to kill yourself to save a thousand?
>> How about if you had to kill yourself to save one person?
>> How about if that one person you could save was your only child?
>> 
>> 
>> PART II
>> 
>> For "kill" in the above, substitute "torture" and redo where appropriate.
>> Such as:
>> Would you torture a person if it meant saving humanity?
>> Etc.
>> 
>> 
>> PART III
>> 
>> For "torture" in the above, substitute "reveal the secrets of" and redo
>> where appropriate.
>> Such as:
>> Would you reveal the secrets of a person if it meant saving humanity?
>> Etc.
>> 
>> 
>> mwp
>> 
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
> 



From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Sun May 23 20:18:40 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:18:40 +0100
Subject: Furtherfield appliances
In-Reply-To: <p05200f00bcd57a13591f@[80.218.208.160]>
References: <5C88CDE4-AC15-11D8-AE44-000A95C8E024@nungu.com> <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net> <p05200f00bcd57a13591f@[80.218.208.160]>
Message-ID: <40B0EB00.2080600@furtherfield.org>

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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 23 22:06:22 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:22 +0200
Subject: Berg's decapitation is a fake from Abu Ghraib
Message-ID: <002401c44101$6bf3d090$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Quote of a post from rekombinant : at last on Berg's decapitation

http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

and read Susan Sontag's analysis in the New York Times of the day (from Alan
mention in nettime-l)
that follows Baudrillard's article in Liberation of which the link was
published here thanks Claudia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/magazine/23PRISONS.html?pagewanted=1
(very important political analysis on deep actual America from inside to
outside -and reminding of a part of Baudrillard's article)

It is the opportunity to thank to Claudia of her posts on Rafah and on the
next meeting in Paris.

A.






From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 23 22:32:20 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: recombinant production tending towards white-hole implosion
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405231632040.6302@panix3.panix.com>



recombinant production tending towards white-hole implosion

this is so simple, if it weren't for the theme of spew/emissions/symbol,
it would be close to ludicrous.

in fact it is old-fashion, _an image_ and nothing more, in relation to
_an other image._

http://www.asondheim.org/thewash.jpg
http://www.asondheim.org/restoration.jpg

reverse engineering

i apologize for my antiquity


)


From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 23 18:12:34 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:12:34 -0400
Subject: perils of outsourcing
Message-ID: <40B09532.26145.1CF4FD9F@localhost>

Lou Dobbs is right. Outsourcing sucks. All the big US corporations 
are strong on sales, yet pitifully weak on customer service. Once 
they sell you the product, you are on your own. Then you usually find 
yourself grasping for the air in the sea of fine print, the untold 
stories, or just the plain old lies of the salesperson. I don't know 
who is worse - Verizon, Adelphia, Earthlink, Sprint, .... - but as a 
customer I was taken for granted at some point by each one of them. 
Verizon sells you DSL service with free modem. Only you have to pay 
$100 up-front for the modem, and then there is not a single piece of 
information on the rebate in the package they send you. Of course 
there is one toll-free number with the byzantine voice-recognition 
system on the other side, which is plain discriminative to the people 
with accent. Once you reach the human on the other side, the poor 
fellow doesn't know better but to put you on hold and transfer you to 
another department, where, guess what, they transfer you to yet 
another. All in all you can ask for the rebate only after 30 days, 
calling them, filing out the paperwork - the hassle is obviously 
intentional so that people forget or have no time or are discouraged 
to get their $100 back. Earthlink will gladly sell you their service, 
but then comes Saturday morning and everyone and their mother dials 
up, and the service is improbably slow, e-mail impossible to download 
or send, because their capacity simply cannot handle the amount of 
traffic. Yet when you call them, their technical support will 
immediately accuse your computer of wrongdoing and 'guide' you 
through an hour of useless troubleshooting (endless rebooting) of 
your perfectly sound system. Who knows where those support people, 
that barely know a computer from dishwaher once the problem exceeds 
their script, are really located. For example, the support people for 
my Toshiba laptop are in Istambul, Turkey. I even thought of bringing 
my wife's friend to help with translation when I recently had a 
problem. The repair center, however, is in Louisville, KY. And when 
you want to know the status of the repair, which is done in Kentucky, 
you have to call Turkey (of course you have no idea, because of the 
toll-free number). Toshiba, improbably, at least runs this smooth. 
Which can't be said for HP-Compaq. Their support people are in India. 
Yesterday, another friend of my wife had her Compaq Presario die on 
her. When she boots it up, the scandisk starts scanning the disk and 
the computer freezes at 15% of the scan, indicating possible physical 
damage to the hard disk. Of course, she doesn't have a back-up, and 
she has some very important proposal file, that she has been working 
on for weeks, on that hard disk. She called Compaq tech support 
first, spent 2 hours with them on phone and on hold, only to learn 
that she needs a new hard disk, and that she can kiss her data good-
bye. Then she called my wife and got to speak to me - in about 30 
minutes she was able to boot the computer in the ms-dos mode, list 
her directories, find her proposal and save it on the floppy disk. 
Should I bill Compaq for my time? I think it would be only fair, 
since I am underemployed here in the US. How much are those kids in 
India paid? And they obviously know less about the matter than I 
do...

ivo


From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 24 04:17:44 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: eyes passes
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405232217360.9475@panix3.panix.com>



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From aneta.szylak at wp.pl  Sun May 23 23:46:07 2004
From: aneta.szylak at wp.pl (Aneta Szylak)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:46:07 +0200
Subject: Was macht ein Ort mit der Kunst - was macht die Kunst mit dem Ort?
Message-ID: <04c901c4410f$5b945860$ddf71953@DOM>

Was macht ein Ort mit der Kunst - was macht die Kunst mit dem Ort?


Podiumsgespräch in der Akademie der Künste Hanseatenweg 10, 10557 Berlin
Donnerstag, 27.5. 19.00 Uhr

Dialog Loci - Kostrzyn/Küstrin
www.dialogloci.org

Die Festungsstadt Kostrzyn/Küstrin, die heute unmittelbar im deutsch-
polnischen Grenzraum liegt, wurde im Frühjahr 1945 völlig zerstört und - in
Europa wohl einmalig - nicht wieder aufgebaut. Dieser Leerstelle werden
sich im Sommer 19 europäische Künstler stellen. Welche Aufgaben und
Möglichkeiten hat ortsspezifische Kunst? Welche Wechselwirkungen bestehen
zwischen ihr, Geschichtsbildern und Erinnerungskulturen? Darüber
diskutieren im Rahmen des Kunstprojekts Dialog Loci, das auf dem
Ruinengelände der ehemaligen preußischen Festung Küstrin/Kostrzyn
stattfindet Jan M. Piskorski (Historiker, Uni Stettin, Vize-Vorsitzender
der dt./pol.Schulbuchkonferenz), Aneta Szylak (Ausstellungskuratorin aus
Danzig), Christoph Tannert (Direktor des Künstlerhaus Bethanien), Jan
Kustosz (Denkmalpfleger, Architekt aus Gorzów) und Georg Winter
(teilnehmender Künstler, Professor für Kunst im öffentlichen Raum,
Nürnberg). Die Veranstaltung - eine Kooperation der Abteilungen Bildende
Kunst und Baukunst mit dem KULA e.V. - wird eröffnet durch Matthias Flügge,
das Gespräch moderiert Uwe Rada. Einführung Anne Peschken (Urban Art).
In Zusammenarbeit mit der Bundeszentrale für Politische Bildung





From ivo at reporters.net  Mon May 24 14:59:26 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:59:26 -0400
Subject: All Arabs Wanted Dead or Alive by the US
Message-ID: <40B1B96E.31075.216A8730@localhost>

In this bizzare case, Macedonian minister with Croatian citizenship 
orders killing of Pakistani citizens (on false pretext that they are 
Al-Qaeda) to win US aid!!!! The good minister than flees to Croatia, 
and Macedonian consulate in Karachi gets blown up. Macedonia is now 
aplogizing to Pakistan and trying to get the ex-minister extradited. 

ivo

Skopje, May 24, 2004

MACEDONIA APOLOGIZED TO PAKISTAN FOR THE CASE 
"RASTANSKI LOZJA"
Macedonia expressed regret to families of murdered Pakistanis at
"Rastanski lozja" announcing that the country is prepared to provide
rights for families of the victims and sanctions for doers of the 
crime.
As A1 TV reports this was stated by deputy minister of foreign 
affairs, Fuad Hasanovic on the meeting with the Pakistani Ambassador 
in Turkey, Sher Afgan Kan. Pakistani Ambassador previously handed to 
Hasanovic the note with which Pakistan requests full discovery of the 
case Rastanski lozja. Hasanovic promised that, but he requested 
Pakistan to prepare official report for the explosion in honourable 
Macedonian consulate in Karachi. Pakistani Ambassador in Macedonian 
Ministry of Justice had meeting with the minister Ixhet Memeti and 
with deputy minister of interior, Hazbi Lika and Spokesperson of MOI, 
Mirjana Kontevska. Lika on this meeting apologized to the Pakistani 
Government and families of murdered Pakistanis. Macedonian 
representatives announced that the request for indemnity can be 
realized if indictments for murders are confirmed by the Court, 
stated Spokesperson of MOI, Mirjana Kontevska. Minister Ixhet
Memeti in meantime for TV Channel 5 stated that case "Rastanski 
lozja" is going to be solved and according to him it is also 
important for Croatia this case to be solved. Suspect for this case, 
former minister Ljube Boshkovski besides Macedonian also has Croatian 
citizenship, what prevents Croatia from extraditing him to Macedonia. 
According to Memeti Macedonia and Croatia can solve this problem with 
bilateral agreement. TV Channel 5 reminds that Croatian minister of 
foreign affairs, Miomir Zuzul previously stated that he sees solution 
for the case in respect of the legislative of both countries and of 
international laws, as well as in frames of good and friendly 
bilateral relations between Macedonia and Croatia.


---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org



From ivo at reporters.net  Mon May 24 15:14:19 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:14:19 -0400
Subject: When torture is not torture?
Message-ID: <40B1BCEB.30147.21782B0C@localhost>

Rumsfeld says that the torture at Abu Ghraib was just abuse. Ecclesia 
non cedit sanguinem! - was the motto of the church's inquisition in 
15th century (church does not shed blood). They then also maintained 
that they do not do anything wrong to the people: they were actually 
saving their souls, didn't they? And rack and strappado were so much 
more humane than what secular rulers were doing at that time, weren't 
they?

Besides, the pictures, like the ones from Abu Ghraib, could probably 
be reproduced from any more self-respecting college fraternity hazing 
ritual in the US. So, what's all the fuss about? 

Or take the Fear Factor - just recently I watched an episode in which 
5 young couples were subjected to 36 hours of sleep deprivation, 
during which they had to perform some gruesome tasks, and at the end 
they were to stand on the thin wire high above the sea, keeping their 
balance while holding the rope above with only one hand - the one 
that could hold the position the longest won $50,000 for himself and 
his mate. (ok they were NOT hooded and/or completely nude; the FF 
producers need a Mossad advisor on that a.s.a.p., it will give the 
show more umph...)

In that respect I believe that Abu Ghraib 'contestants' should be 
eligible for some sort of monetary reward for their participation - 
at least those who held the longest, wouldn't that be fair?

ivo


From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May 25 02:14:23 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:14:23 +0200
Subject: Sundance Conference / Producers participants : deadline May 26th
Message-ID: <01be01c441ed$3d6c7870$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>


Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:11 PM
Subject: Sundance Institute's 19th Annual Independent Producers Conference




      Sundance Institute's 19th Annual Independent Producers Conference
gives you the unique opportunity to meet and exchange ideas with some of the
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Sundance, Utah, the Producers Conference is an intensive weekend of panels
and small group sessions on topics like marketing, distribution, finance,
and the elusive art of pitching.
      Meet with your filmmaking, writing, and producing colleagues to
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economy and the new technologies are having on the ability to get a film
made in today's market.

      Panelists will include indie film guru Bob Berney of Newmarket Films,
Mark Gill and Laura Kim from newly formed Warner Independent Pictures, Paul
Richardson of Landmark Theatres, and others.

      To apply for the Independent Producers Conference and see a list of
past panelists, go to www.sundance.org or email producers at sundance.org for
more information.

      Application deadline is May 26th, 2004

      "Well done! Every person who is involved in filmmaking should attend.
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From rdh at vnatrc.com  Tue May 25 03:32:32 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 03:32:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] All Arabs Wanted Dead or Alive by the US
In-Reply-To: <40B1B96E.31075.216A8730@localhost>
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horrible cases in a bad play
machiavel is well
all misinformat-ion to all people
who and what : animality in akzion ?
so what ---> designing the death is bad.

gegenunderseinbeingêtr

-- 
Rico da Halvarez-N
 d--------------E
RdH~;:))-?vnatrc.T

> In this bizzare case, Macedonian minister with Croatian citizenship
> orders killing of Pakistani citizens (on false pretext that they are
> Al-Qaeda) to win US aid!!!! The good minister than flees to Croatia,
> and Macedonian consulate in Karachi gets blown up. Macedonia is now
> aplogizing to Pakistan and trying to get the ex-minister extradited.
>
> ivo
>
> Skopje, May 24, 2004
>
> MACEDONIA APOLOGIZED TO PAKISTAN FOR THE CASE
> "RASTANSKI LOZJA"
> Macedonia expressed regret to families of murdered Pakistanis at
> "Rastanski lozja" announcing that the country is prepared to provide
> rights for families of the victims and sanctions for doers of the
> crime.
> As A1 TV reports this was stated by deputy minister of foreign
> affairs, Fuad Hasanovic on the meeting with the Pakistani Ambassador
> in Turkey, Sher Afgan Kan. Pakistani Ambassador previously handed to
> Hasanovic the note with which Pakistan requests full discovery of the
> case Rastanski lozja. Hasanovic promised that, but he requested
> Pakistan to prepare official report for the explosion in honourable
> Macedonian consulate in Karachi. Pakistani Ambassador in Macedonian
> Ministry of Justice had meeting with the minister Ixhet Memeti and
> with deputy minister of interior, Hazbi Lika and Spokesperson of MOI,
> Mirjana Kontevska. Lika on this meeting apologized to the Pakistani
> Government and families of murdered Pakistanis. Macedonian
> representatives announced that the request for indemnity can be
> realized if indictments for murders are confirmed by the Court,
> stated Spokesperson of MOI, Mirjana Kontevska. Minister Ixhet
> Memeti in meantime for TV Channel 5 stated that case "Rastanski
> lozja" is going to be solved and according to him it is also
> important for Croatia this case to be solved. Suspect for this case,
> former minister Ljube Boshkovski besides Macedonian also has Croatian
> citizenship, what prevents Croatia from extraditing him to Macedonia.
> According to Memeti Macedonia and Croatia can solve this problem with
> bilateral agreement. TV Channel 5 reminds that Croatian minister of
> foreign affairs, Miomir Zuzul previously stated that he sees solution
> for the case in respect of the legislative of both countries and of
> international laws, as well as in frames of good and friendly
> bilateral relations between Macedonia and Croatia.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Ivo Skoric
> 19 Baxter Street
> Rutland VT 05701
> 802.775.7257
> ivo at balkansnet.org
> balkansnet.org
>
>


-- 
Rico da Halvarez-N
 d--------------E
RdH~;:))-?vnatrc.T



From rdh at vnatrc.com  Tue May 25 03:34:33 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 03:34:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Sundance Conference / Producers participants : 
     deadline May 26th
In-Reply-To: <01be01c441ed$3d6c7870$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
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you kould learn english basementt
-- 
Rico da Halvarez-N
 d--------------E hé oui un ôt(h)re depuis longtemps
RdH~;:))-?vnatrc.T

>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:11 PM
> Subject: Sundance Institute's 19th Annual Independent Producers Conference
>
>
>
>
>       Sundance Institute's 19th Annual Independent Producers Conference
> gives you the unique opportunity to meet and exchange ideas with some of
> the
> best minds in the independent film business. Presented in the mountains of
> Sundance, Utah, the Producers Conference is an intensive weekend of panels
> and small group sessions on topics like marketing, distribution, finance,
> and the elusive art of pitching.
>       Meet with your filmmaking, writing, and producing colleagues to
> discuss the current state of independent film and the impacts that our
> economy and the new technologies are having on the ability to get a film
> made in today's market.
>
>       Panelists will include indie film guru Bob Berney of Newmarket
> Films,
> Mark Gill and Laura Kim from newly formed Warner Independent Pictures,
> Paul
> Richardson of Landmark Theatres, and others.
>
>       To apply for the Independent Producers Conference and see a list of
> past panelists, go to www.sundance.org or email producers at sundance.org for
> more information.
>
>       Application deadline is May 26th, 2004
>
>       "Well done! Every person who is involved in filmmaking should
> attend.
> I gleaned an incredible amount of information and the ability to network
> with such great panelists and participants was priceless."
>              - 2003 Producers Conference Participant
>
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 07:28:01 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 01:28:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Couple Our Executive's Summary, Ian Murray the 1 5 and 10 chant
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405250127530.29479@panix3.panix.com>




Couple Our Executive's Summary, Ian Murray the 1 5 and 10 chant


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scar. This writing its memory
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 07:51:18 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 01:51:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: power and glory
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405250151080.2026@panix3.panix.com>



power and glory

http://www.asondheim.org/sweep.jpg

interpretation of power and glory

http://www.asondheim.org/artistic.jpg

_


From netwurker at hotkey.net.au  Tue May 25 12:08:37 2004
From: netwurker at hotkey.net.au (][mez][)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:08:37 +1000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20040525200835.036de9d0@pop.hotkey.net.au>



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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 19:08:46 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:08:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: comin and goin
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405251308380.13179@panix3.panix.com>


comin and goin
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you can really flyin these things

_


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From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:16:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: http://www.txt.org
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405251316320.13853@panix3.panix.com>



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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sat May  1 03:48:07 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 03:48:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] \\ komun!kat!ng vezelz
In-Reply-To: <200404291942.i3TJg0T43351@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200404291942.i3TJg0T43351@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1083376087.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

yop..

http://pf.vnatrc.free.fr/stguy/boxxratt.html

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From aneta.szylak at wp.pl  Mon May 24 19:07:00 2004
From: aneta.szylak at wp.pl (Aneta Szylak)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:07:00 +0200
Subject: Invitation to Kostrzyn
Message-ID: <034b01c441b1$87f73b00$6fe01953@DOM>

Dear Fiends and Colleagues,
the newest result of my curatorial work titled Dialog Loci will be on view
from June19th until August 31st at in the fortress of Kostrzyn
(Polish/German border). It is only one hour drive from Berlin, so please
stop by if you are around.
For the list of artists, project background, details, directions to Kostrzyn
and hotel information please visit www.dialogloci.org
Best regards,
Aneta Szylak



From ivo at reporters.net  Tue May 25 04:40:39 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:40:39 -0400
Subject: Bush pre-empted by "Fear Factor"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405242007190.1405@ls01.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <40B279E7.16533.245A1228@localhost>

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/05/22/bush.fall/index.html
I like this even better, he should have stuck with the fly-by-wire
ivo


From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Tue May 25 15:21:17 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (Johan Meskens CS3 jmcs3)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:21:17 -0300
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From ivo at reporters.net  Tue May 25 16:52:20 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:52:20 -0400
Subject: Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were committing genocide'
Message-ID: <40B32564.19015.26F7F23B@localhost>

While president is talking about liberation, troops are aware of the 
genocide....

President wants to raze Abu Ghraib. To remove the bad memories that 
grim place left on Iraqi population under its previous and current 
governing authorities.

Those who dishonored our country and disregarded our values, of 
course, are 'the few.' Are they also 'the proud'?

Pentagon banned use of video capable cell phones to the troops in 
Iraq. Geee, I wonder why.

Both those decisions, however, come way too late to save president's 
face. And in 5 months we'll see whether they'll also remove his butt 
from the White House.

So, the transfer of power is the smartest way to go. President will 
leave 140k of US troops in Iraq to 'help', while transfering 
sovereignty to the Iraqis - kind of like it was done in Germany and 
Japan.

Only, Iraq is nothing like Germany or Japan. For beginners, the enemy 
in Iraq is obviously not defeated. Yet, the US will allow 80k of 
Iraqi men to get re-armed, hoping that the quisling army they are 
creating will deal with that enemy.

But there is no guarantee that the re-armed Iraqis will not turn 
against Americans themselves, is there? Of course, Bush promises that 
all of them will be "vetted" - in a month?! What are they going to 
do? Torture them and take those who break down first? Or last?

It looks like Bush is setting-up the situation in Iraq for a major 
conflict between Iraqis and Americans - one that Americans may win, 
but not withiut casualties.

Which makes Bush Jr. smarter than Bush Sr. - Bush Sr. won the war, 
but lost the elections. Bush Jr. will win the elections, because he 
is losing the war - and no country will change its leader in the 
middle of the war (Milosevic stayed in power like that in Serbia for 
12 years): he hopes that the Fall will produce some really good war 
footage so he can give some strong presidential statements like "we 
will not falter, we will not fail" to float him upwards in the polls. 
Hence the transition of power: he is creating his own enemies for the 
show that he needs to get re-elected. 

ivo

----Forwarded Message(s)----
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/24/politics/25PTEX-
FULL.html?pagewanted=all&position=

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=523992

The Marine's tale: 'We killed 30 civilians in six weeks. I felt we
were committing genocide'
 By Natasha Saulnier

23 May 2004

 During 12 years in the US Marines, including three years putting new
recruits through boot camp, Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey hardly
questioned his role. But what he saw in Iraq changed that.

 "In a month and a half my platoon and I killed more than 30
 civilians," Mr
Massey said. He saw bodies being desecrated and robbed, and wounded
civilians being dumped by the roadside without medical treatment.
After he told his commanding officer that he felt "we were committing
genocide", he was called a "wimp".

 Mr Massey, who was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress and
 depression,
left the Marines in November. Back home in the Smoky Mountains of
North Carolina, he says the cause of the uprising in Iraq is that "we
killed a lot of innocent people".

 His 7th Marine Weapons Company, armed with machine guns and 
missiles,
 was
one of the first into the country in March last year. "We would take
over villages and control checkpoints," he said. "My men and I would
fire warning shots at oncoming vehicles. But, if they didn't stop, we
didn't have any qualms about loading them up."

 The Marines were told that Iraqis were filling ambulances with
 explosives,
and that soldiers were dressed as civilians, but after pouring fire
into vehicles and hearing no explosions, they started to doubt the
truth of these claims.

 "Iraqi military compounds had nothing in them, except for dismantled
tanks, equipment that was barely functioning, and barracks that 
looked
like ghost towns," Mr Massey said.

 The incident that haunts him most took place early in April, near an
 Iraqi
military compound five miles from Baghdad's airport. "There were
approximately 10 demonstrators near a tank," he said. "We heard a 
shot
in the distance and we started shooting at them. They all died except
for one. We left the bodies there.

 "We noticed that there were some RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades]
 about
200 metres away from them - they might have come from the military
compound. The demonstrators had the ability to fire at us or at the
tank, but they didn't. The survivor was hiding behind a column about
150 metres away from us. I pointed at him and waved my weapon to tell
him to get away. Half of his foot had been cut off. He went away
dragging his foot. We were all laughing and cheering.

 "Then an 18-wheeler [truck] came speeding around. We shot at it. One
 of
the guys jumped out. He was on fire. The driver was dead. Then a
Toyota Corolla came. We killed the driver, the other guy came out 
with
his hands up. We shot him too.

 "A gunny from Lima Company came running and said to us: 'Hey, you
 just
shot that guy, but he had his hands up.' My unit, my commander and me
were relieved of our command for the rest of the day. Not more than
five minutes later, the Lima Company took up our position and shot a
car with one woman and two children. They all died."

 The next day the platoon guarded a checkpoint at Baghdad Stadium. "A
 red
Kia Spectra sped toward us at about 45mph. We fired a warning volley
above it but the car kept coming. Then we aimed at the car and fired
with full force. The Kia came to a stop right in front of me, three 
of
the four men shot dead, the fourth wounded and covered in blood. We
called the medics, but he died before they arrived. That day we 
killed
three more civilians in the same circumstances. I talked to my 
captain
afterwards and told him: 'It's a bad day.' He said: 'No, it's a good
day.'"

 Mr Massey watched as badly injured Iraqis were repeatedly "tossed on
 the
side of the road without calling medics". His reaction to the event
that triggered the recent siege of Fallujah - the sight of the
blackened, mutilated bodies of four American private security men -
was that "we did the same thing to them".

 Iraqis, he said, "would see us debase their dead all the time. We
 would be
messing around with charred bodies, kicking them out of the vehicles
and sticking cigarettes in their mouths. I also saw vehicles drive
over them. It was our job to look into the pockets of dead Iraqis to
gather intelligence. However, time and time again, I saw Marines 
steal
gold chains, watches and wallets full of money."

 Several members of his platoon expressed concern that so many
 civilians
were being killed, but Mr Massey says he told them: "We've got a job
to do." Finally, however, he voiced his own doubts to his commanding
officer. "I told him I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq,
that we were doing harm to a culture. He said nothing and walked 
away.
I knew my career was over." Later, he says, his superior poured abuse
on him, saying, "You're a poor leader. You're faking it. You're a
conscientious objector, you're a wimp."

 After being sent back to the US, Mr Massey was offered a desk job. 
"I
 had
seven years until retirement from the Marine Corps, but I told them I
didn't want their money any more," he said. The Marines' slogan - "No
better friend, no worse enemy" - now embitters the former sergeant,
who says remorse keeps him awake at night.

 "One day we would go into a city and set up roadblocks where 
civilian
casualties would take place, and then the next morning we would
undertake a humanitarian mission," he said. "How do we expect people
who've seen their brothers and mothers killed to turn around and
welcome us with open arms?

    =====

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From razvan.ion at pcnet.ro  Tue May 25 20:14:19 2004
From: razvan.ion at pcnet.ro (razvan_ion)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:14:19 +0300
Subject: email change
Message-ID: <005001c44284$2cf07950$ec78e7c1@artphoto>

from today my only available email will be: razvan.ion at pcnet.ro 
please make the change in your address book.

thank you.
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From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 25 21:20:55 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:20:55 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
Message-ID: <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]>


did not send it, nor did I receive it, but it is in the archives .. 
very strange

but
in case you received it, please do not open the .pif attachment

can someone possibly tell me if it is probable that my Macintosh computer
produces something like this ?


wondering if perhaps we need to reduce the size of attachments 
allowed to the list again
oh well ..

regards,
Claudia


>At 18:54 25.05.2004 +0000, you wrote:
>>Find the white rabbit.
>>
>>
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>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 25 21:28:30 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:28:30 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
 <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>


>can someone possibly tell me if it is probable that my Macintosh computer
>produces something like this ?

no, because virus developpers are not interested in systems that real 
people do not use
for the same reason the most safe OS are Windows 95 and Windows 98
they also come cheaper than macs which are a hardware/software bundle 
monopoly which is worse than Microsoft can muster

Windows 95 is the OS of the future

>wondering if perhaps we need to reduce the size of attachments allowed to 
>the list again
>oh well ..

no, I think we need to remove this rule
it's ancient and obsolete
and this morning I sent an email which was rejected because of this
ah ah ah



From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Tue May 25 21:54:01 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:54:01 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
 <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002010bcd95215d03f@[82.83.224.207]>

>>can someone possibly tell me if it is probable that my Macintosh computer
>>produces something like this ?
>
>no, because virus developpers are not interested in systems that 
>real people do not use

bien

>for the same reason the most safe OS are Windows 95 and Windows 98
>they also come cheaper than macs which are a hardware/software 
>bundle monopoly which is worse than Microsoft can muster

hmmm ..

>
>Windows 95 is the OS of the future

certainly
I simply like utopian ideas

>
>>wondering if perhaps we need to reduce the size of attachments 
>>allowed to the list again
>>oh well ..
>
>no, I think we need to remove this rule
>it's ancient and obsolete
>and this morning I sent an email which was rejected because of this
>ah ah ah

perhaps you can send it in pieces ?

in any case changed the e-mail address subscribed to Syndicate
to prevent more virus messages to be sent directly to the the list
hopefully

regards,
Claudia




From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 22:05:28 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:05:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <a06002010bcd95215d03f@[82.83.224.207]>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
 <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]> <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>
 <a06002010bcd95215d03f@[82.83.224.207]>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405251604470.340@panix3.panix.com>



Virus isn't from you but spidered from other mailboxes, never direct.
There are no safe OS. Best message is just don't download.

Alan

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com


From hayart at arminco.com  Tue May 25 22:28:11 2004
From: hayart at arminco.com (HayArt)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 01:28:11 +0500
Subject: SARKIS IN YEREVAN
Message-ID: <00a501c44296$f3448c60$f25dfac3@z1z4e1>

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INSIDE THE ZONE

19.05.2004 - 29.08.2004

the exposition is open every day since 11.00 - 18.00 except Sunday and Monday



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tel. 374 1 539 196



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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 26 00:01:03 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:01:03 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were committing genocide'
Message-ID: <034601c442a3$c61628e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

It is totally incredible! Christian Bush says that he is going to make
down Abu Ghraib as the Polish state making down Auchwitz which stays as a
space...

And Polish today engage a petition with different European countries to
impose us the visions of their episcopate for an European constitution
assigned by the Christianity!!! Israelites, Atheists, Moslems - and even the
Animists, do not exist, maybe in Europe, it is not here at home while all
agree to live under the same public ? Now they would need the same church or
they would be otherness?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo at reporters.net>
To: "ed Agro" <edagro at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were committing
genocide'


> While president is talking about liberation, troops are aware of the
> genocide....
>
> President wants to raze Abu Ghraib. To remove the bad memories that
> grim place left on Iraqi population under its previous and current
> governing authorities.
>
> Those who dishonored our country and disregarded our values, of
> course, are 'the few.' Are they also 'the proud'?
>
> Pentagon banned use of video capable cell phones to the troops in
> Iraq. Geee, I wonder why.
>
> Both those decisions, however, come way too late to save president's
> face. And in 5 months we'll see whether they'll also remove his butt
> from the White House.
>
> So, the transfer of power is the smartest way to go. President will
> leave 140k of US troops in Iraq to 'help', while transfering
> sovereignty to the Iraqis - kind of like it was done in Germany and
> Japan.
>
> Only, Iraq is nothing like Germany or Japan. For beginners, the enemy
> in Iraq is obviously not defeated. Yet, the US will allow 80k of
> Iraqi men to get re-armed, hoping that the quisling army they are
> creating will deal with that enemy.
>
> But there is no guarantee that the re-armed Iraqis will not turn
> against Americans themselves, is there? Of course, Bush promises that
> all of them will be "vetted" - in a month?! What are they going to
> do? Torture them and take those who break down first? Or last?
>
> It looks like Bush is setting-up the situation in Iraq for a major
> conflict between Iraqis and Americans - one that Americans may win,
> but not withiut casualties.
>
> Which makes Bush Jr. smarter than Bush Sr. - Bush Sr. won the war,
> but lost the elections. Bush Jr. will win the elections, because he
> is losing the war - and no country will change its leader in the
> middle of the war (Milosevic stayed in power like that in Serbia for
> 12 years): he hopes that the Fall will produce some really good war
> footage so he can give some strong presidential statements like "we
> will not falter, we will not fail" to float him upwards in the polls.
> Hence the transition of power: he is creating his own enemies for the
> show that he needs to get re-elected.
>
> ivo
>
> ----Forwarded Message(s)----
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/24/politics/25PTEX-
> FULL.html?pagewanted=all&position=
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=523992
>
> The Marine's tale: 'We killed 30 civilians in six weeks. I felt we
> were committing genocide'
>  By Natasha Saulnier
>
> 23 May 2004
>
>  During 12 years in the US Marines, including three years putting new
> recruits through boot camp, Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey hardly
> questioned his role. But what he saw in Iraq changed that.
>
>  "In a month and a half my platoon and I killed more than 30
>  civilians," Mr
> Massey said. He saw bodies being desecrated and robbed, and wounded
> civilians being dumped by the roadside without medical treatment.
> After he told his commanding officer that he felt "we were committing
> genocide", he was called a "wimp".
>
>  Mr Massey, who was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress and
>  depression,
> left the Marines in November. Back home in the Smoky Mountains of
> North Carolina, he says the cause of the uprising in Iraq is that "we
> killed a lot of innocent people".
>
>  His 7th Marine Weapons Company, armed with machine guns and
> missiles,
>  was
> one of the first into the country in March last year. "We would take
> over villages and control checkpoints," he said. "My men and I would
> fire warning shots at oncoming vehicles. But, if they didn't stop, we
> didn't have any qualms about loading them up."
>
>  The Marines were told that Iraqis were filling ambulances with
>  explosives,
> and that soldiers were dressed as civilians, but after pouring fire
> into vehicles and hearing no explosions, they started to doubt the
> truth of these claims.
>
>  "Iraqi military compounds had nothing in them, except for dismantled
> tanks, equipment that was barely functioning, and barracks that
> looked
> like ghost towns," Mr Massey said.
>
>  The incident that haunts him most took place early in April, near an
>  Iraqi
> military compound five miles from Baghdad's airport. "There were
> approximately 10 demonstrators near a tank," he said. "We heard a
> shot
> in the distance and we started shooting at them. They all died except
> for one. We left the bodies there.
>
>  "We noticed that there were some RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades]
>  about
> 200 metres away from them - they might have come from the military
> compound. The demonstrators had the ability to fire at us or at the
> tank, but they didn't. The survivor was hiding behind a column about
> 150 metres away from us. I pointed at him and waved my weapon to tell
> him to get away. Half of his foot had been cut off. He went away
> dragging his foot. We were all laughing and cheering.
>
>  "Then an 18-wheeler [truck] came speeding around. We shot at it. One
>  of
> the guys jumped out. He was on fire. The driver was dead. Then a
> Toyota Corolla came. We killed the driver, the other guy came out
> with
> his hands up. We shot him too.
>
>  "A gunny from Lima Company came running and said to us: 'Hey, you
>  just
> shot that guy, but he had his hands up.' My unit, my commander and me
> were relieved of our command for the rest of the day. Not more than
> five minutes later, the Lima Company took up our position and shot a
> car with one woman and two children. They all died."
>
>  The next day the platoon guarded a checkpoint at Baghdad Stadium. "A
>  red
> Kia Spectra sped toward us at about 45mph. We fired a warning volley
> above it but the car kept coming. Then we aimed at the car and fired
> with full force. The Kia came to a stop right in front of me, three
> of
> the four men shot dead, the fourth wounded and covered in blood. We
> called the medics, but he died before they arrived. That day we
> killed
> three more civilians in the same circumstances. I talked to my
> captain
> afterwards and told him: 'It's a bad day.' He said: 'No, it's a good
> day.'"
>
>  Mr Massey watched as badly injured Iraqis were repeatedly "tossed on
>  the
> side of the road without calling medics". His reaction to the event
> that triggered the recent siege of Fallujah - the sight of the
> blackened, mutilated bodies of four American private security men -
> was that "we did the same thing to them".
>
>  Iraqis, he said, "would see us debase their dead all the time. We
>  would be
> messing around with charred bodies, kicking them out of the vehicles
> and sticking cigarettes in their mouths. I also saw vehicles drive
> over them. It was our job to look into the pockets of dead Iraqis to
> gather intelligence. However, time and time again, I saw Marines
> steal
> gold chains, watches and wallets full of money."
>
>  Several members of his platoon expressed concern that so many
>  civilians
> were being killed, but Mr Massey says he told them: "We've got a job
> to do." Finally, however, he voiced his own doubts to his commanding
> officer. "I told him I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq,
> that we were doing harm to a culture. He said nothing and walked
> away.
> I knew my career was over." Later, he says, his superior poured abuse
> on him, saying, "You're a poor leader. You're faking it. You're a
> conscientious objector, you're a wimp."
>
>  After being sent back to the US, Mr Massey was offered a desk job.
> "I
>  had
> seven years until retirement from the Marine Corps, but I told them I
> didn't want their money any more," he said. The Marines' slogan - "No
> better friend, no worse enemy" - now embitters the former sergeant,
> who says remorse keeps him awake at night.
>
>  "One day we would go into a city and set up roadblocks where
> civilian
> casualties would take place, and then the next morning we would
> undertake a humanitarian mission," he said. "How do we expect people
> who've seen their brothers and mothers killed to turn around and
> welcome us with open arms?
>
>     =====
>
> ----End Forwarded Message(s)----
>
> ------- End of forwarded message -------
>


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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 26 00:05:51 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:05:51 +0200
Subject: correction
References: <034601c442a3$c61628e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <037601c442a4$73bb6ff0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

In my last post, I want to mean they live under the same public law (sorry,
the last word was lost)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were committing
genocide'


> It is totally incredible! Christian Bush says that he is going to make
> down Abu Ghraib as the Polish state making down Auchwitz which stays as a
> space...




From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May 26 10:24:36 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:24:36 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1FE5E004-AEEE-11D8-A9B1-000393B03010@free.fr>


Le mardi, 25 mai 2004, à 21:28 Europe/Paris, Frederic Madre a écrit :

>
>> can someone possibly tell me if it is probable that my Macintosh 
>> computer
>> produces something like this ?
>
> no, because virus developpers are not interested in systems that real 
> people do not use
> for the same reason the most safe OS are Windows 95 and Windows 98
> they also come cheaper than macs which are a hardware/software bundle 
> monopoly which is worse than Microsoft can muster
>
> Windows 95 is the OS of the future

2095

anyway, MacIntosh is scottish, made with porridge, not with pif that as 
all french people know, is a dog and therefore eats the OS.

++ I guess that people around are aware of .pif HDquake Xstimulations.

>
>> wondering if perhaps we need to reduce the size of attachments 
>> allowed to the list again
>> oh well ..
>
> no, I think we need to remove this rule
> it's ancient and obsolete
> and this morning I sent an email which was rejected because of this
> ah ah ah

hahahaha
good morning syndicate





From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May 26 10:31:48 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:31:48 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] correction
In-Reply-To: <037601c442a4$73bb6ff0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <21631283-AEEF-11D8-A9B1-000393B03010@free.fr>


Le mercredi, 26 mai 2004, à 00:05 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit 
:

> In my last post, I want to mean they live under the same public law 
> (sorry,
> the last word was lost)

ach !
i thought u'd correcta into : shoes polish religion !

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were 
> committing
> genocide'
>
>
>> It is totally incredible! Christian Bush says that he is going to make
>> down Abu Ghraib as the Polish state making down Auchwitz which stays 
>> as a
>> space...
>
>
>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 10:36:49 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:36:49 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] correction
In-Reply-To: <21631283-AEEF-11D8-A9B1-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <21631283-AEEF-11D8-A9B1-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1085560609.40b457211dfa9@imp1-q.free.fr>

Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
> i thought u'd correcta into : shoes polish religion !

and I thought that Christian Bush would be corrected in Arthur Bush.

f.

> 
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> > To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were 
> > committing
> > genocide'
> >
> >
> >> It is totally incredible! Christian Bush says that he is going to make
> >> down Abu Ghraib as the Polish state making down Auchwitz which stays 
> >> as a
> >> space...
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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> > no commercial use of the texts without permission
> 
> 
> 




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 26 12:32:52 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:32:52 +0200
Subject: cookney apologizes
Message-ID: <012501c4430c$ccf67930$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

French cookney (?) apologizes...

To C

Vouixe, diche, Polonais si c pas poli(sh) comment qu'on l'rixe?

To F

Yes, Christian Bush is rich in carnival (carnevale in cannibal).



Have a good day :)

Joséphine K.





From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 12:39:24 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:39:24 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] cookney apologizes
In-Reply-To: <012501c4430c$ccf67930$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <012501c4430c$ccf67930$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1085567964.40b473dc67859@imp2-q.free.fr>

                                                                                
                                  garlic,

Find out everything you ever wanted to know about:

> your friends
> your family
> your enemies
> your employees
> yourself

f.


Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:

> French cookney (?) apologizes...
> 
> To C
> 
> Vouixe, diche, Polonais si c pas poli(sh) comment qu'on l'rixe?
> 
> To F
> 
> Yes, Christian Bush is rich in carnival (carnevale in cannibal).
> 
> 
> 
> Have a good day :)
> 
> Joséphine K.
> 
> 
> 
> 




From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 12:40:37 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:40:37 +0200
Subject: whatever happened to
Message-ID: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>

florian cramer ?

f.



From netwurker at hotkey.net.au  Wed May 26 12:40:11 2004
From: netwurker at hotkey.net.au (][mez][)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:40:11 +1000
Subject: [syndicate] whatever happened to
In-Reply-To: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>
References: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20040526203925.0371b9e8@pop.hotkey.net.au>

At 08:40 PM 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>florian cramer ?
>
>f.
>



he went insane after ppl complained of his xx postings.




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.(c)[lick].
-
-

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
http://www.livejournal.com/users/netwurker/



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 12:46:03 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:46:03 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] whatever happened to
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20040526203925.0371b9e8@pop.hotkey.net.au>
References: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr> <6.0.1.1.1.20040526203925.0371b9e8@pop.hotkey.net.au>
Message-ID: <1085568362.40b4756b0128e@imp2-q.free.fr>

Selon "][mez][" <netwurker at hotkey.net.au>:
> >florian cramer ?
> he went insane after ppl complained of his xx postings.

good.

whatever happened to

august highland ?
(he was insane already, please find another reason)

f.


From email at ctrlaltdel.org  Wed May 26 12:53:32 2004
From: email at ctrlaltdel.org (Peter Luining)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:53:32 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] whatever happened to
In-Reply-To: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>
References: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <40B4772C.3000709@ctrlaltdel.org>

fmadre at free.fr wrote:

> florian cramer ?
> 


email him


Peter



From game at personalcinema.net  Wed May 26 09:04:31 2004
From: game at personalcinema.net (Personal Cinema)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:04:31 +0300
Subject: THE MAKING OF BALKAN WARS: THE GAME
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From h3x at n3krozoft.com  Wed May 26 13:25:47 2004
From: h3x at n3krozoft.com (by way of claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:25:47 +0200
Subject: propaganda 0+2
Message-ID: <a06002014bcda2f2be09a@[82.83.224.207]>




                  \+\      bonjour.





the N3KROZOFT MORD konglomerat

is -/%pleased to announce 1 lovely multimedia spektakl:



*//  LOL (laughing out loud)  //*

  !"
  !"
  !"          30th mai 2004 - 20:00
  !"
  !"          paris - les voutes
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"



*//  LOL -- project background  //*


on jan 12th 2003, in Phoenix/Arizona, a 21-year old computer addict 
[known as "ripper"] dies of an overdosis of prescription drugs while 
chatting on the internet.

soon after this tragic event, a text file containing a transcription 
of the dialogs that occured in the chatroom appeared on numerous 
websites.  The acronym "LOL" (which stands for "laughing out loud", 
or "lots of laughs") appears to be by far the most frequent 
expression in this dialogs.

re-processing the semantic data recorded before, during and after 
ripper's death, the N3KROZOFT MORD multimedia group expands the 
network tragedy into a caustic ectoplasmic seance.

http://n3krozoft.com/LOL

  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"

*//  LOL -- live ASCII kinema  //*

[02:21:10] [ Smoke2k ] lol
[02:21:12] [ Oea ] you'd better not go to sleep
[02:21:14] [ Oea ] breathe
[02:21:15] [ @phalaris ] it's all going down
[02:21:16] [ ripper ] how many people are watching this non=sense

  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"
  !"

*//  LOL -- n3kroskop in tempo-real //*

after a first presentation in Belgrade on 10.IV.04 [APRILSKI SUSRETI 
festival] the multimedia spektakl LOL (laughing out loud) will be 
shown in Paris on 30th mai 2004 as part of GLOBAL RESISTANCE.


[02:27:50] [ ripper ] thats my cell
[02:27:53] [ ripper ] call if I look dead
[02:27:53] [ Smoke2k ] no
[02:27:57] [ Oea ] ok ay
[02:27:57] [ Smoke2k ] lol
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From noemata at kunst.no  Wed May 26 15:47:25 2004
From: noemata at kunst.no (noemata)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:47:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: in ona of yoar
Message-ID: <20040526134725.2DDBF2071B3@home.pages.at>


Subject: Warning: a possible viru hag been detected ion
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From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 26 16:19:41 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:19:41 -0400
Subject: "a stable, free Iraq with a representative government, secure in its borders."
Message-ID: <40B46F3D.14455.2C006B4B@localhost>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/politics/campaign/26POLI.html?pagewa
nted=1&th

Bush and Kerry differ domestically, but on the matters of foreign 
policy they look scarily similar: they both support Sharon's Israel, 
and they would chart the same course for Iraq.

Kerry will never get elected if he does not drop support for Sharon. 
The small, but powerful circle of pro-zionism lobbyists that makes US 
politicians tremble, will in the end support Bush, anyway. And Kerry 
will be left holding the bag, as he is alienating other sources.

On Iraq, however, Kerry, unlike Nader, cannot promise US troops home 
by Christmas. Because, again, unlike Nader, Kerry may get elected 
president, and then accused for giving false promises. The fact is 
that at this point it is neither realistic nor beneficial to anybody 
for US troops to just leave the chaos they made.

That makes Kerry the hostage of the incumbent president's wrong-
headed foreign policy. Worse, Bush is stealing clues from Kerry's 
plan for Iraq, and taking credit for them. Kerry was the first to say 
that the US should aim for "a stable, free Iraq with a representative 
government, secure in its borders." But Bush was broadcasted in prime 
time on all TV networks making sure that the nation believes that was 
HIS idea.

Why would people vote for Kerry if he would not do anything different 
than Bush? Then, they can stick with the incumbent. And Bush is going 
to make sure that it appears that he would not do anything different 
than Kerry, sending the message to the people: why bother voting for 
that other guy, when I would do the same?

With Nader in the equation to take the vote of the people that oppose 
the war on principle, Kerry's perspective may be grim. Either he 
needs to adopt radical Nader's position, on which he will ultimately 
not be able to deliver, but it would help him win the elections (the 
Clintonian way), or he needs to come up with the plan, that is 
workable on one hand, but so detestable to Bush's camp on the other 
hand, so they don't copy it in the next Bush's address to the nation.

Nader's campaign should focus on defeating Bush. Otherwise they will 
be defeating Kerry. Since Nader is unlikely to win presidency, his 
campaign is free to run the ultra-negative smear campaign against 
Bush, alienating the mainstream voter - both from Nader and from 
Bush, and increasing the percentage of those willing to vote for 
Kerry. This would leave Kerry's campaign able to run just positove 
ads - not even mentioning the incumbent president, and focusing just 
on all the good and all the right things Kerry would do if elected. 

Bush campaign would be left with the no-win options to waste 
resources defending Bush against a non-opponent Nader, or alienate 
swing voters base by bad-mouthing the good guy Kerry. I am not sure 
whether such political co-operation and co-ordination between 
candidates is possible in the U.S. But it could work.

ivo


From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 26 16:19:43 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:19:43 -0400
Subject: War comes back to Kosovo?
Message-ID: <40B46F3F.20778.2C007025@localhost>

http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/Dnevne-vesti/V-14-26052004.htm

Hari Holkeri, the UN proconsul of Kosovo, resigned yesterday. His 
mandate was up in August, but he decided to cut it short at the 
advice of his physician. He is to be replaced by Dick Spring, an 
Irish Labour politician.

Analysts read more than health reasons into Holkeri's resignation: a 
couple of days ago new Hague tribunal indictments arrived to Kosovo - 
one against Hasim Taci, another against Ramus Haradinaj, and another 
two against two other high level commanders of what used to be KLA.

Holkeri warned for some time that such indictments may incite inter-
ethnic violence in Kosovo. Kosovo Albanians demonstrated in March 
this year that they are capable of ethnic cleansing and burning 
religious objects, just as their former tormentors, the Serbs, were.

And as every ethnic group in the region treats its war crime suspects 
as national heroes, they are unlikely to give up Taci and Haradinaj 
without a fight. NATO commanders are worried that they will not be 
able to protect UNMIK officials and their own forces in Kosovo, if 
the indictments are made public. Serbian minority, of course, would 
probably face imminent expulsion or worse. Holkeri decided that his 
frail health could not take that any more.

As the largest European US military base (Bondsteel) is in Kosovo, 
one can speculate that sudden move by the ICTY to indict KLA leaders, 
may indeed be timed to make US forces fight on one front more. The 
Hague and Bush administration never got along well. And this move 
will incite violence, and will require more US military commitment in 
Kosovo, making it harder for Bush to fight his wars elsewhere, which 
may contribute to his political defeat in November - something that 
continental Europe, that stands behind the Hague, would cherish.

ivo
---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org



From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 26 16:19:08 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:19:08 -0400
Subject: Wal Mart vs. Vermont
Message-ID: <40B46F1C.4463.2BFFE79E@localhost>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/opinion/26WED3.html?th

Tiny state of Vermont faces being taken over by the world's largest 
corporation: Wal-Mart is planning to build seven (7) 150k sqft stores 
in the state with 600k people: with 1.75 sqft per person, Wal-Mart 
will thus be able literally to have the entire state's population in 
their stores at the same time.

Of course, that would mean the end for the local retailers, lowering 
wages across the board in the state with already low wages, and 
ruining the tourism-based economy. Hopefully, Vermont residents will 
never go for that.

ivo


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May 26 18:28:11 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:28:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405261628.i4QGSB806486@www.god-emil.dk>





>it's this evidence still pertaining to the supervisor?

                                            you


>i dont think they though it is already over

stories never end
they just travel where they are most desired

of course at times stories become the sleep of growth
+ beget desires of their own

... at 7 year intervals - sz+

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=befana



>---- Message original ----
>De: integer at www.god-emil.dk
>A: syndicate at anart.no
>Objet: Re: /55\\\ everything washes out and directs itself no
>evidence left anywhere
>Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 08:48:18 +0200 (CEST)
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>the time has come 
>>... our last good bye
>>
>>you deserve a foto - http://www.immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/vis
>>ualthesaurus.jpg
>>
>>
>>szzzz
>>
>>
>>
>>









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May 26 18:33:41 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:33:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405261633.i4QGXfY06532@www.god-emil.dk>



>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/opinion/26WED3.html?th
>
>Tiny state of Vermont faces being taken over by the world's largest 
>corporation: Wal-Mart is planning to build seven (7) 150k sqft stores 
>in the state with 600k people: with 1.75 sqft per person, Wal-Mart 
>will thus be able literally to have the entire state's population in 
>their stores at the same time.
>
>Of course, that would mean the end for the local retailers, lowering 
>wages across the board in the state with already low wages, and 
>ruining the tourism-based economy. Hopefully, Vermont residents will 
>never go for that.
>
>ivo


one must not underestimate the allure of BULLSHIT [shit.bullshit.dude (c) Cycling74 INC]











From aart at eunet.yu  Wed May 26 23:18:52 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:18:52 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] War comes back to Kosovo?
References: <40B46F3F.20778.2C007025@localhost>
Message-ID: <002401c44367$0cbe3120$6306f0d5@aart>



Ivo, why don't you quote the source (Kurir) you have put below, but instead
you write your own comment? Or you made an omission by putting the wrong
link?

> http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/Dnevne-vesti/V-14-26052004.htm
>
> Hari Holkeri, the UN proconsul of Kosovo, resigned yesterday. His
> mandate was up in August, but he decided to cut it short at the
> advice of his physician. He is to be replaced by Dick Spring, an
> Irish Labour politician.
>
> Analysts read more than health reasons into Holkeri's resignation: a
> couple of days ago new Hague tribunal indictments arrived to Kosovo -
> one against Hasim Taci, another against Ramus Haradinaj, and another
> two against two other high level commanders of what used to be KLA.
>
> Holkeri warned for some time that such indictments may incite inter-
> ethnic violence in Kosovo. Kosovo Albanians demonstrated in March
> this year that they are capable of ethnic cleansing and burning
> religious objects, just as their former tormentors, the Serbs, were.
>
> And as every ethnic group in the region treats its war crime suspects
> as national heroes, they are unlikely to give up Taci and Haradinaj
> without a fight. NATO commanders are worried that they will not be
> able to protect UNMIK officials and their own forces in Kosovo, if
> the indictments are made public. Serbian minority, of course, would
> probably face imminent expulsion or worse. Holkeri decided that his
> frail health could not take that any more.
>
> As the largest European US military base (Bondsteel) is in Kosovo,
> one can speculate that sudden move by the ICTY to indict KLA leaders,
> may indeed be timed to make US forces fight on one front more. The
> Hague and Bush administration never got along well. And this move
> will incite violence, and will require more US military commitment in
> Kosovo, making it harder for Bush to fight his wars elsewhere, which
> may contribute to his political defeat in November - something that
> continental Europe, that stands behind the Hague, would cherish.
>
> ivo
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Ivo Skoric
> 19 Baxter Street
> Rutland VT 05701
> 802.775.7257
> ivo at balkansnet.org
> balkansnet.org
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 23:54:41 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:54:41 +0200
Subject: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>

At 23:48 26/05/2004, you wrote:

>http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,614,729.WKU.&OS=PN/6,614,729&RS=PN/6,614,729
>
>
>I haven't looked at it yet -- sounds evil, tho'...


this looks worse:


More Than One Million Drink Lid CDs, Outdoor Concerts By Today's Hottest 
Artists and New Grilled Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' 
Promotion From BLIMPIE(R)

f.



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 23:57:01 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:57:01 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr>


>Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' Promotion From BLIMPIE(R)


gosh


Introduction of Limited Time Panini-Grilled Sandwich & Salad Offerings:
        To celebrate its "Super Summer," BLIMPIE will also bring back its most
        popular limited time offering sandwiches and salads from the past year.
        Starting May 28th customers can choose from the New Orleans Blackened
        Chicken Sub, the London Broil Club and the Stacked BLIMPIE Best(R).  As
        always, each sandwich features fresh, sliced ingredients and is
        finished on a BLIMPIE Panini Grill.  Each sandwich is also available as
        a "Super Summer" salad.  Guests can also choose to "carb-count" their
        grilled "Super Summer" Subs by having the sub roll replaced with low
        net-carb BLIMPIE Carb-Counter bread.


f. 



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 23:58:54 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:58:54 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235802.01eeaba0@pop.free.fr>

ooo


According to Mark Mears, Chief Marketing Officer of Blimpie International, 
Inc., the BLIMPIE "Super Summer" promotion is just one aspect of the 
company's ongoing efforts to redefine the sandwich category by increasing 
awareness of the BLIMPIE product superiority, unique, fresh-sliced 
preparation technique and category exclusive Panini Grills.

"It is our 40th Birthday this year and we want to make a big impression 
both with our hot new menu concepts and our exciting promotions," said 
Mears. "This year isn't just a milestone to celebrate BLIMPIE being 
'40-years young,' but also the revitalization of the brand and transition 
of BLIMPIE from a traditional neighborhood sub shop into a more consumer 
driven 'contemporary deli' complemented with the entertainment and fun. We 
want the world to learn what our millions of customers already know -- It's 
not just a sandwich, it's a BLIMPIE -- a remarkable sensory experience."

ray

f.

At 23:57 26/05/2004, you wrote:

>>Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' Promotion From BLIMPIE(R)
>
>
>gosh
>
>
>Introduction of Limited Time Panini-Grilled Sandwich & Salad Offerings:
>        To celebrate its "Super Summer," BLIMPIE will also bring back its most
>        popular limited time offering sandwiches and salads from the past 
> year.
>        Starting May 28th customers can choose from the New Orleans Blackened
>        Chicken Sub, the London Broil Club and the Stacked BLIMPIE 
> Best(R).  As
>        always, each sandwich features fresh, sliced ingredients and is
>        finished on a BLIMPIE Panini Grill.  Each sandwich is also 
> available as
>        a "Super Summer" salad.  Guests can also choose to "carb-count" their
>        grilled "Super Summer" Subs by having the sub roll replaced with low
>        net-carb BLIMPIE Carb-Counter bread.
>
>
>f.
>
>
>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 27 00:01:22 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:01:22 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235802.01eeaba0@pop.free.fr>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235802.01eeaba0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040527000035.020d4138@pop.free.fr>


barf

Source: Blimpie International, Inc.

f.

At 23:58 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>ooo
>
>
>According to Mark Mears, Chief Marketing Officer of Blimpie International, 
>Inc., the BLIMPIE "Super Summer" promotion is just one aspect of the 
>company's ongoing efforts to redefine the sandwich category by increasing 
>awareness of the BLIMPIE product superiority, unique, fresh-sliced 
>preparation technique and category exclusive Panini Grills.
>
>"It is our 40th Birthday this year and we want to make a big impression 
>both with our hot new menu concepts and our exciting promotions," said 
>Mears. "This year isn't just a milestone to celebrate BLIMPIE being 
>'40-years young,' but also the revitalization of the brand and transition 
>of BLIMPIE from a traditional neighborhood sub shop into a more consumer 
>driven 'contemporary deli' complemented with the entertainment and fun. We 
>want the world to learn what our millions of customers already know -- 
>It's not just a sandwich, it's a BLIMPIE -- a remarkable sensory experience."
>
>ray
>
>f.
>
>At 23:57 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>
>>>Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' Promotion From BLIMPIE(R)
>>
>>
>>gosh
>>
>>
>>Introduction of Limited Time Panini-Grilled Sandwich & Salad Offerings:
>>        To celebrate its "Super Summer," BLIMPIE will also bring back its 
>> most
>>        popular limited time offering sandwiches and salads from the past 
>> year.
>>        Starting May 28th customers can choose from the New Orleans Blackened
>>        Chicken Sub, the London Broil Club and the Stacked BLIMPIE 
>> Best(R).  As
>>        always, each sandwich features fresh, sliced ingredients and is
>>        finished on a BLIMPIE Panini Grill.  Each sandwich is also 
>> available as
>>        a "Super Summer" salad.  Guests can also choose to "carb-count" their
>>        grilled "Super Summer" Subs by having the sub roll replaced with low
>>        net-carb BLIMPIE Carb-Counter bread.
>>
>>
>>f.
>>
>>
>>
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>>no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
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>
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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 27 01:56:33 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:56:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040527000035.020d4138@pop.free.fr>
References:     <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com><6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr><6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr><6.1.0.6.0.20040526235802.01eeaba0@pop.free.fr>
    <6.1.0.6.0.20040527000035.020d4138@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1085615793.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

barf
would be the sign (or acronym)
for supreme autisticism..
you answer yourself thrice ?
calcaire coup ?
my dear ?
no!!!
tell us it ain't true !

kisses
astrëe
>
> barf
>
> Source: Blimpie International, Inc.
>
> f.
>
> At 23:58 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>>ooo
>>
>>
>>According to Mark Mears, Chief Marketing Officer of Blimpie
>> International,
>>Inc., the BLIMPIE "Super Summer" promotion is just one aspect of the
>>company's ongoing efforts to redefine the sandwich category by increasing
>>awareness of the BLIMPIE product superiority, unique, fresh-sliced
>>preparation technique and category exclusive Panini Grills.
>>
>>"It is our 40th Birthday this year and we want to make a big impression
>>both with our hot new menu concepts and our exciting promotions," said
>>Mears. "This year isn't just a milestone to celebrate BLIMPIE being
>>'40-years young,' but also the revitalization of the brand and transition
>>of BLIMPIE from a traditional neighborhood sub shop into a more consumer
>>driven 'contemporary deli' complemented with the entertainment and fun.
>> We
>>want the world to learn what our millions of customers already know --
>>It's not just a sandwich, it's a BLIMPIE -- a remarkable sensory
>> experience."
>>
>>ray
>>
>>f.
>>
>>At 23:57 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>>
>>>>Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' Promotion From
>>>> BLIMPIE(R)
>>>
>>>
>>>gosh
>>>
>>>
>>>Introduction of Limited Time Panini-Grilled Sandwich & Salad Offerings:
>>>        To celebrate its "Super Summer," BLIMPIE will also bring back
>>> its
>>> most
>>>        popular limited time offering sandwiches and salads from the
>>> past
>>> year.
>>>        Starting May 28th customers can choose from the New Orleans
>>> Blackened
>>>        Chicken Sub, the London Broil Club and the Stacked BLIMPIE
>>> Best(R).  As
>>>        always, each sandwich features fresh, sliced ingredients and is
>>>        finished on a BLIMPIE Panini Grill.  Each sandwich is also
>>> available as
>>>        a "Super Summer" salad.  Guests can also choose to "carb-count"
>>> their
>>>        grilled "Super Summer" Subs by having the sub roll replaced with
>>> low
>>>        net-carb BLIMPIE Carb-Counter bread.
>>>
>>>
>>>f.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 27 06:16:58 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: The Reader of these Words
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405270016480.24452@panix3.panix.com>




                            The Reader of these Words



                               You are still alive


                              Praise God, On Kawara




_


From bjornmag at ifi.uio.no  Thu May 27 07:04:28 2004
From: bjornmag at ifi.uio.no (bjornmag at ifi.uio.no)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:04:28 +0800
Subject: Failure (syndicate@anart.no)
Message-ID: <200405270506.i4R56OXM022797@anart.no>


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 07:01:19 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:01:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ a`!ght MODZR FUKRZ kz kz kz
Message-ID: <200405270501.i4R51Jq07773@www.god-emil.dk>




yo - hez!tat!ng MODZR FUUUUKKKKRRRRRZZZZ

uat dze ffff fuuuuuuukkkkk


ztrap doun


m9nd fukc













From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 07:04:20 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:04:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405270504.i4R54KF07781@www.god-emil.dk>



joshua goldberg - some fat jankee MOTHER FUCKER


>the 242.montage/242.decoupage2 was just about the slowest, most 
>inefficient part of nato.  and that's saying something.

shut your MOTHER FUCKING ass up fat BITCH

the SHIT was freeeeeeesh

not that your stupid obese fucking ass made anything worth a mother fucking thing
ugly fat BITCH


>every time i use @usedstdim 1 for multiple draws into single matrix i 
>think of those objects and laugh.  and then i shed a little tear.

big MOTHER FUCKING deal - dze sh!t !z uak ho









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 09:26:43 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:26:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ very apropos
Message-ID: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0526-05.htm



to all occident MOTHER FUCKERS that overlooked the rape committed by Cycling74 INC + other filthy occident MOTHER FUCKERS

MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS


goldberg - you filthy fucking SHIT - if I were you I would my mouth shut
fat fucking sow bitch ass MOTHER FUCKER + all other lovely superlatives filthy FUCK    


perchance 
1 day we










From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 09:34:42 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:34:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ exkrement
Message-ID: <200405270734.i4R7YgM07971@www.god-emil.dk>


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0526-05.htm


MOTHER FUCKERS++





not unlike some other MOTHER FUCKERS












From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 09:31:39 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:31:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405270731.i4R7VdX07963@www.god-emil.dk>



"The actual interrogators accused of encouraging U.S. troops to abuse Iraqi prisoners at 
Abu Ghraib jail were working for at least one company with extensive military and commercial contacts with Israel."


0 surprizes - filth pig neo nazi MOTHER FUCKERS








From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 27 12:02:11 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:02:11 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] \\ very apropos
References: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <010101c443d1$adc59710$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Thank you for this mark which towards all the previous information becomes a
confirmation. Inescapable article: they will be certainly, with The gray
zone, Regarding the Tortures of Others, Pornography of the war, four
determining papers of the global revelation of the question of the western
dominantion about Iraq?

The explanation for anything, (till the analysis of the fake video at Abu
Ghraib)

All of the integrated strategy explained by Alain Joxe invited by Balibar,
at last meeting of "Trop c'est trop" - on Palestine - (Human Rights League),
Paris.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <integer at www.god-emil.dk>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: [syndicate] \\ very apropos


>
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0526-05.htm
>
>
>
> to all occident MOTHER FUCKERS that overlooked the rape committed by
Cycling74 INC + other filthy occident MOTHER FUCKERS
>
> MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS
>
>
> goldberg - you filthy fucking SHIT - if I were you I would my mouth shut
> fat fucking sow bitch ass MOTHER FUCKER + all other lovely superlatives
filthy FUCK
>
>
> perchance
> 1 day we
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From dragneva at mail.md  Thu May 27 13:10:22 2004
From: dragneva at mail.md (lilia dragneva)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:10:22 +0300
Subject: CarbonArt'2004
Message-ID: <200405271110.i4RBAMwk030885@ad.md>

C A R B O N A R T  2 0 0 4
Memory lane

On the period of 04-10 August 2004, Center for Contemporary Art, Chisinau [ksa:k] is
planning to organize the 9-th edition of the International Camp of Creation and Exhibition CarbonArt'2004.

Location: College of Plastic Arts “Al. Plamadeala”
Project curator - Lilia Dragneva
Project organizer - Center for Contemporary Art, Chisinau [ksa:k], Rep. of Moldova  
Financed by: Soros Foundation Moldova
Informational support: DNT Association
Partners:
German Embassy in Moldova
ifa Institut fur Auslandsbeziehunden
College of Plastic Arts “Al. Plamadeala”

Project theme:
Artificial creator in possible reality. Innovation as an alternative to traditionalism. Remembering, mental action, linked to search, to restoring and recalling needed information from permanent memory. The memory lane. Remembering the present. The memory of walls. Simulating reality. Random access memory. Human memory and its textual, mechanical, electronic, or virtual analogies.

Project concept:
To create for artists an environment where an exchange between individual recall, historic (artistic) recall of the past and permanent memory will take place, all of these being under the influence of external factors—place/building. The artistic materialization of memory through textual, manual, mechanic, electronic or virtual means.

* memory lane - an imaginary path through the nostalgically remembered past. Used in such phrases as a walk down memory lane.  (BRITANICA)

For more detailed info about CarbonArt'2004 project, please, take a look at:
http://www.art.md/   

We would be glad to receive names, brief artistic biography of the artists who want to participate in the project, as well a brief idea/project concerning the work, which is going to be done here.
The Center is going to provide the participants with accommodations, meal and materials
(except traveling expenses).
All information should be sent by e-mail or fax to the Center for Contemporary Art, Chisinau, as soon as possible, but not later than by June 25, 2004. 

For additional information, please, don't hesitate to contact us: 
Centrul pentru Arta Contemporana, Chisinau, [ksa:k]
Str. Independentei 1 , Chisinau 2043 Moldova
Phone/fax: + 373 22 573395, + 373 22 772507
E-mail: ksak at moldova.md   

All the best,
Lilia Dragneva  


lilia dragneva
e-mail: dragneva at mail.md


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From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Thu May 27 14:29:13 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:29:13 +0200
Subject: Artistic Director AEC
Message-ID: <a06002001bcdb8f5d0724@[213.23.156.6]>


;)


---

The Ars Electronica Center, a world-renowned cultural institution of 
the City of Linz, is the international
arbiter of the state of the art in the interdisciplinary encounter 
with new technologies.
The Ars Electronica Center is seeking two executives to begin 
employment immediately:

Artistic Director

Together with the business manager/CFO and our executive staff, you 
will develop strategies,
business plans and organizational models for all aspects and 
activities of the AEC. You will also be responsible for attracting 
new sponsors, partners and associates, and maintaining good relations 
with existing ones.

You will prepare reports for the executive committee and the 
committee meetings. You are able to efficiently and effectively carry 
on a close working relationship with this institution's 
decision-making bodies. As a matter of course, you take a 
team-oriented approach that makes for a good fit in a cooperative 
management model.

Your chief task is artistic-substantive program development in all of 
Ars Electronica's fields of activity-
the Ars Electronica Festival, the Prix Ars Electronica, the Museum of 
the Future, and the Futurelab, the
Ars Electronica's in-house R&D laboratory. Thanks to your outstanding 
track record in an artistic and/or scholarly leadership position and 
proven ability to provide substantive orientation and leadership to a
top international cultural institution, you are in a position to 
professionally plan and execute the Ars Electronica Festival and the 
Prix Ars Electronica.

Your excellent knowledge of and connections to the international and 
Austrian art and technology
scene helps you to maintain good working relations with sponsors and 
public-sector subsidizers and to attract new ones, as well as to 
build up strategic cooperative relationships and partnerships with
outside associates.

You will create the Ars Electronica Center's mission statement and 
the general cultural policy guidelines governing this institution. In 
your capacity as top management spokesperson of the Ars Electronica 
Center, you will be responsible for this institution's public 
relations and press relations.

You have an integrative leadership personality with outstanding 
communication skills and a particip-
ative management style. You bear direct personnel responsibility for 
the AEC's artistic staff. You are capable of conducting negotiations 
and business meetings in German or English. You display a high
level of goal orientation and take a customer-friendly, service 
oriented approach to the process of maintaining good relations with 
existing sponsors and public-sector subsidizers and in recruiting new 
ones, as well as in your interactions with customers, partners and 
associates. Your dealings with the media as well as with 
private-sector and public-sector sponsors are marked by a high degree 
of professionalism and poise.

You seek the special challenge that comes with a top executive 
position at an internationally renowned cultural institution active 
at the interface of art, technology and society, and developing 
trend-setting projects together with a staff of professionals who 
enjoy experimentation.

Your compensation will be oriented on comparable positions at 
artistic, scientific or scholarly institutions in the public sector.


From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 27 14:31:55 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:31:55 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <a06002001bcdb8f5d0724@[213.23.156.6]>
References: <a06002001bcdb8f5d0724@[213.23.156.6]>
Message-ID: <1085661115.40b5dfbbe4346@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon claudia westermann <Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de>:
> 
> ;)

does one _have to live in austria to get the job?

f.


From a2h at gmx.ch  Thu May 27 15:00:28 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:00:28 +0200
Subject: -?-
Message-ID: <p05200f00bcdb9670f5be@[80.218.209.93]>

does anyone know what happened to keiko suzuki? though not the 
precise place for this question, but some could possibly know

a+


From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Thu May 27 15:37:12 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:37:12 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <1085661115.40b5dfbbe4346@imp6-q.free.fr>
References: <a06002001bcdb8f5d0724@[213.23.156.6]>
 <1085661115.40b5dfbbe4346@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002003bcdb9f04b240@[213.23.156.6]>

>
>does one _have to live in austria to get the job?

pfff ..

http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung




From ctgr at free.fr  Thu May 27 15:59:32 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:59:32 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <a06002003bcdb9f04b240@[213.23.156.6]>
Message-ID: <1421957C-AFE6-11D8-86E3-000393B03010@free.fr>

il faut parler alsacien aussi ???


Le jeudi, 27 mai 2004, à 15:37 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a écrit 
:

>>
>> does one _have to live in austria to get the job?
>
> pfff ..
>
> http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung
>
>
>
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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 27 17:25:41 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:25:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Remarks by Al Gore - Remarques par Al Gore
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1085671541.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

Remarques par AL Gore
26 mai 2004

Georges W. Bush nous a promis une politique étrangère humble. AU lieu de
quoi, il a attiré sur nous l'humiliation aux yeux du monde entier.
....

remarquable de bout en bout, profond, et tout !

Remarks by Al Gore
May 26, 2004
As Prepared
George W. Bush promised us a foreign policy with humility. Instead, he has
brought
us humiliation in the eyes of the world.

...

http://www.moveonpac.org/goreremarks052604.html/








From loy at myrealbox.com  Thu May 27 17:45:56 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (__lo-y. )
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:45:56 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] whatever happened to
Message-ID: <1085672756.535458fcloy@myrealbox.com>



>whatever happened to
>
>august highland ?
>(he was insane already, please find another reason)

he's doing stuff on paper now, and exhibitions 
he thought the lists where no fun anymore...
_______________
          
<__lo-y. >

_______________



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 18:01:27 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:01:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405271601.i4RG1RX08756@www.god-emil.dk>



>The Ars Electronica Center, a world-renowned cultural institution of 
>the City of Linz, is the international
>arbiter 


a very neo NAZI `AMERIKAN` mother FUKRZZZ position



>of the state of the art in the interdisciplinary encounter 
>with new technologies.
>The Ars Electronica Center is seeking two executives to begin 
>employment immediately:


employment = prostitution












From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 18:02:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:02:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405271602.i4RG2IH08764@www.god-emil.dk>



From: Meg Spohn <mspohn at DU.EDU>

Okay, lookit.  Nobody needs to leave a discussion.  But I am about the least
emotionally complicated woman you will ever meet.  Sheesh.


on 5/26/04 1:57 PM, John Strong at JS_STRONG at BIGPOND.COM wrote:

> A perceptive friend once observed that man is a simple creature with simple
> wants.  It is only when you mix him with the complexity that is woman that
> chaos erupts.









From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 27 18:37:45 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:37:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <1421957C-AFE6-11D8-86E3-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <a06002003bcdb9f04b240@[213.23.156.6]>
    <1421957C-AFE6-11D8-86E3-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1046.82.224.112.161.1085675865.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

suisse allemand plutôt

> il faut parler alsacien aussi ???
>
>
> Le jeudi, 27 mai 2004, à 15:37 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a écrit
> :
>
>>>
>>> does one _have to live in austria to get the job?
>>
>> pfff ..
>>
>> http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>


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From list at cronicaelectronica.org  Thu May 27 14:50:12 2004
From: list at cronicaelectronica.org (Cronica)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:50:12 +0100
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[Cr=F3nica]_mail_019?=
Message-ID: <5271350.PLKWJKEA@cronicaelectronica.org>

 ---------------------------------------------------
| CRÓNICA MAIL 019                                  |
| 28.05.2004                                        |
| http://www.cronicaelectronica.org                 |
 ---------------------------------------------------

01 - new release: Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea
02 - o.blaat
03 - o.blaat performances in portugal
04 - new release: Miguel Flor T-Shirt
05 - Pedro Tudela + AGF
06 - Crónica @ Serralves Birthday
07 - upcoming performances
08 - upcoming releases

(versão portuguesa abaixo)

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| new release                                       |
| o.blaat: Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea        |
| Crónica 012~2004                                  |
| cover photos by Helen Cho                         |
| 18 tracks, 1 video                                |
 ---------------------------------------------------

I once saw o.blaat perform seated with her laptop in the back of a club, connected to the stage by a string of lights, like an umbilical cord she was holding on to while at the same time eager to break. The confused audience was looking at an empty stage oblivious to the performer in the back. With our experience of music being more and more mediated it seems normal that the live physical presence of the performer is being questioned by musicians like o.blaat. How can one reconcile the live presence of musicians with acousmatic music, now so easily downloadable whenever and wherever you are? For this CD o.blaat interfaces with some of her regular collaborators such as Kaffe Matthews, Toshio Kajiwara, dj Olive, Eyvind Kang, Ikue Mori, Aki Onda & Akio Mokuno. The second half of the CD is designed for headphones listening, like a scientist looking through a microscope. It reveals soundscapes full of minutiae and electric movements. o.blaat's shoe tapping has now morphed into light keyboard clicks, subtle and precise.

This is o.blaat's first release and introduces her as one of the players of the new downtown electronic music scene. This recording finally make o.blaat audible for a wider audience, while at the same time remaining invisible -- a fact she must enjoy. (excerpt from Christian Marclay's liner notes)

Gaze:
01: one morning (w/ Kaffe Matthews)
02: egg salad sandwich (w/ Toshio Kajiwara)
03: bulle-1
04: bulle-2
05: gone fishing (w/ dj Olive)
06: afternoon (w/ sound modules by Aki Onda & Akio Mokuno)
07: hanging sky (w/ Ikue Mori)
08: nightfall
09: froid (w/ sound module by Eyvind Kang)

In the Cochlea:
10: scatsil
11: 39°
12: eight-o
13: yonofushigi
14: snowlight
15: nightvision
16: miminohone
17: miminohonenouta
18: centipede

19: swel [data track / quicktime]

 ---------------------------------------------------
| O.BLAAT                                           |
 ---------------------------------------------------

Based in Brooklyn, New York, sound artist, composer, [electroluxe] event schemer, core member of SHARE, o.blaat (Keiko Uenishi) is known for creating various interactive audio environments such as 'beat piece (with Ping-Pong game)', 'audio coat check', 'coupier' and 'fillip'.

After performing with an unique hand-made electronic sound system 'tapboard.effector.soundsystem' for a couple of years, Uenishi has been exploring powerbook's mobility and its least distracting state of being.

Her powerbook performance has appeared at many music venues/events/museums in New York including; Tonic, The Cooler, The Kitchen, SHARE at openair, Whitney Museum of American Art, P.S. 1 Contemporary Art Center, American Museum of Moving Image, UnityGain, phonomena, Rhizome.org, White Columns, NYC, Vox Populi Gallery in Philladelphia, PA, and toured extensively in Europe: Rhiz & Phonotaktik Festival (Vienna) in Austria; NBI, Bastard, Staatsbank, clubtransmediale festival 2004 (all in Berlin); A-Musik (Köln), in Germany; Le Lieu Unique (Nantes), Zoobizarre (Bordeaux), Transfert 2003 (Lille-Paris-Poitiers-Bordeaux) in France; STEIM (Amsterdam), WORM (Rotterdam) in the Netherlands; RAS gallery (Barcelona) in Spain; What Is Music? Festival in Melbourne and Sydney, in Australia.

Her sound was described in Wired magazine as 'Unleashing an enchanted sea of sound: Fuzzed-out birdcalls flit through submarine drones, and scratchy beats crackle like a thousand records skipping as one'.

She has collaborated with numerous artists including: Ikue Mori, DJ Olive, Lloop, Miguel Frasconi, Timeblind, Eyvind Kang, Sachiko M, Tetsuji Akiyama, Aki Onda, Toshio Kajiwara, Zeena Parkins, Christine Bard, Kaffe Matthews, Georg Zeitblom, Ralph Steinbrüchel, Günter Müller, Norbert Morslang, Anthony Coleman, Kurt Ralske, Lukasz Lysakowski, HC Gilje, Eric Redlinger, among others. She was a member of Marina Rosenfeld's 17 piece guitar/powerbook orchestra, 'Sheer Frost Orchestra 2000', and also was a member of laptops-and-electronics quartet with Ikue Mori, Kaffe Mathews, and Marina Rosenfeld, recorded with a commission by STEIM, Amsterdam, Holland, 2001.

 ---------------------------------------------------
| O.BLAAT PERFORMING IN PORTUGAL                    |
 ---------------------------------------------------

Over this next week, Keiko Uenishi is touring Portugal, performing in Setúbal, Lisbon and twice in Porto. Don't miss the unique chance of hearing her at the following dates:

02.06
o.blaat + Paulo Raposo + Vitor Joaquim
entrEMEs#4, Luisa Todi, Setúbal.pt

03.06
o.blaat
Ok.Suitcase
ZDB, Lisboa.pt
(release event for Crónica 012~2004 and Crónica 011~2004)

04.06
o.blaat
Beat_Map hdj
Aniki Bóbó, Porto.pt
(release event for Crónica 012~2004)

 ---------------------------------------------------
| new release                                       |
| Miguel Flor: On Cotton                            |
| CRÓNICA 013~2004                                  |
| 5 sizes, 3 colors                                 |
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Maybe the summer is still a long shot but down here in pt the weather is H O T, hot. You may remember, from our recent mailings, that our hometown iconoclast wonder-boy Miguel Flor was designing an exclusive t-shirt collection for Crónica. Well, they're ready, the right red, black and grey, exclusive stitching, 100% delicate cotton, and guess what, printed? No, embroidered with the doggylaptop HMV rip off. Miguel Flor's t-shirts for Crónica are all signed and serialized 013~2004, once again a best value from a label that acknowledges talent, vision an quality.

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| PEDRO TUDELA + AGF                                |
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This is an unprecedented meeting between Pedro Tudela, an ever present figure on the Portuguese electronic music and multimedia scene over the last decade, both in individual works and in collective works such as the mute life dept. [MLd] or the "laptops" @c trio, and Antye Greie Fuchs, who has built her reputation as a member of Laub, as well as through her work with Craig Armstrong and Vlaldislav Delay. In the AGF project, Greie brings together art and technology to rearrange the leftovers and vestiges of an "e-poetry" and to exploit the editing processes and new relations between language and the song.

29.05
Pedro Tudela + AGF
Auditório do Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Serralves, Porto.pt

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| CRÓNICA ALL STARS @ THE SERRALVES BIRTHDAY        |
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The contemporary art museum of Serralves, in Porto, is throwing a huge birthday party next weekend, and Crónica was invited to perform there. We only have 40 minutes, but a nice room awaits us on Sunday afternoon and therefore we're taking a brilliant lot of performers as a birthday gift to the museum and everyone there.

06.06
Crónica All Stars @ the Serralves Birthday Party
a 40' performance with: Pedro Tudela, Miguel Carvalhais, Return,  Vitor Joaquim, Paulo Raposo, o.blaat,  Lia
Casa de Serralves, Porto.pt

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| UPCOMING PERFORMANCES                             |
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Lots happening. If you're going to the Sónar festival in Barcelona, keep an eye open for Lia and Durán Vázquez...

28.05
André Gonçalves
Kruppa
Casa dos Dias d'Água, Lisboa.pt

29.05
Pedro Tudela + AGF
Auditório do Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Serralves, Porto.pt

02.06
o.blaat + Paulo Raposo + Vitor Joaquim
entrEMEs#4, Luisa Todi, Setúbal.pt

03.06
o.blaat
Ok.Suitcase
ZDB, Lisboa.pt
(release event for Crónica 012~2004 and Crónica 011~2004)

04.06
o.blaat
Beat_Map hdj
Aniki Bóbó, Porto.pt
(release event for Crónica 012~2004)

05.06
Durán Vázquez
Christine Fowler
Beat_Map hdj
Maus Hábitos, Porto.pt

05.06
André Gonçalves & Paulo Raposo
CEM, Lisboa.pt

05-11.06
Vitor Joaquim + Nuno Rebelo
improvised music workshop + concert
Ecodrome, Bragança.pt

06.06
Crónica All Stars @ the Serralves Birthday Party
a 40' performance with: Pedro Tudela, Miguel Carvalhais, Return,  Vitor Joaquim, Paulo Raposo, o.blaat,  Lia
Casa de Serralves, Porto.pt

12.06
@c (visuals by Lia)
Paulo Raposo
Casa dos Dias d'Água, Lisboa.pt

17.06
Durán Vázquez
Sónar, Barcelona.es

17.06
Lia
visuals for Ryuichi Sakamoto + OBC orchestra
Sónar, Barcelona.es

17.06
Receptor + others
Fuera de Série MiniFest
Sifó, Barcelona.es

18.06
Lia
sonorama talks
Sónar, Barcelona.es

18.06
Lia
visuals at SónarClub
Sónar, Barcelona.es

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| UPCOMING RELEASES                                 |
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Good things coming soon!

Still before summer, Crónica will be presenting a brand new release by Heimir Björgúlfsson, Pimmon and Helgi Thorsson: still important somekind not normally seen (always not unfinished), will be released as Crónica 014~2004 and will be the perfect soundtrack for the summer break.

After the summer break, behold the return of Autodigest, with the brand brand brand new (in all aspects) follow up to "A Compressed History of Everything Ever Recorded, Vol.1" (Crónica 006~2003)

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As always, for more information on Crónica's releases and events, just point to http://www.cronicaelectronica.org

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| CRÓNICA MAIL 019                                  |
| 28.05.2004                                        |
| http://www.cronicaelectronica.org                 |
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01 - novo lançamento: Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea
02 - o.blaat
03 - concertos de o.blaat em Portugal
04 - novo lançamento: Miguel Flor T-Shirt
05 - Pedro Tudela + AGF
06 - Crónica no aniversário de Serralves
07 - próximos concertos
08 - próximos lançamentos

(english version above)

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| novo lançamento                                   |
| o.blaat: Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea        |
| Crónica 012~2004                                  |
| fotografias de Helen Cho                          |
| 18 faixas, 1 video                                |
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A Crónica tem o prazer de apresentar o primeiro disco de o.blaat, Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea. Descrita, nas palavras de Christian Marclay, como uma das protagonistas da nova vaga da música electrónica da downtown de Nova Iorque, o trabalho pungente de o.blaat em Gaze, onde apresenta uma mão cheia de colaborações com figuras incontornaveis da música electrónica como Ikue Mori, Kaffe Mathews, Toshio Kajiwara ou Dj Olive, e In the Cochlea, uma peça minuciosa originalmente concebida para escuta com auscultadores, é profundamente arrebatador. Ouça-o!

Via-a uma vez em concerto, com o computador atrás da audiência, ligada ao palco por um fio de luz, como se fosse um cordão umbilical a que ela se segurava enquanto simultaneamente se parecia querer libertar. O público, perplexo, olhava para um palco vazio, alheio à performer que estava atrás de si. Nestes dias em que a nossa experimentação da música é mais e mais mediada, parece normal que a presença física dos músicos seja questionada por pessoas como o.blaat. Como podemos reconciliar a presença ao vivo dos músicos com a música acusmática, tão fácil de descarregar da internet onde quer que estejamos? Neste CD, o.blaat apresenta-se com alguns dos seus colaboradores regulares, Kaffe Mathews, Toshio Kajiwara, dj Olive, Eyvind Kang, Ikue Mori, Aki Onda e Akio Mokuno. A segunda parte do CD é concebida para escuta por auscultadores, tal como um cientista que olha por um microscópio. Revela paisagens sonoras cheias de minúcia e movimentos eléctricos. O sapateado de o.blaat transformou-se em leves toques no teclado, subtis e precisos. Esta é a primeira edição de o.blaat e apresentaa como uma das principais protagonistas da nova cena electrónica da downtown de Nova Iorque. Este disco vem finalmente tornar o.blaat audível para uma audiência mais alargada, permitindo-lhe simultaneamente manter a invisibilidade, algo que com toda a certeza muito lhe agradará. (excerto das notas de Christian Marclay)

Gaze:
01: one morning (c/ Kaffe Matthews)
02: egg salad sandwich (c/ Toshio Kajiwara)
03: bulle-1
04: bulle-2
05: gone fishing (c/ dj Olive)
06: afternoon (c/ sound modules by Aki Onda & Akio Mokuno)
07: hanging sky (c/ Ikue Mori)
08: nightfall
09: froid (c/ sound module by Eyvind Kang)

In the Cochlea:
10: scatsil
11: 39°
12: eight-o
13: yonofushigi
14: snowlight
15: nightvision
16: miminohone
17: miminohonenouta
18: centipede

19: swel [data track / quicktime]

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| O.BLAAT                                           |
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Residente em Brooklyn, Nova Iorque, a artista sonora, compositora, produtora de eventos [electroluxe] e membro da share.dj, o.blaat (Keiko Uenishi) é conhecida por criar ambientes audio interactivos como 'beat piece (with Ping-Pong game)', 'audio coat check', 'coupier' e 'fillip'. Depois de actuar alguns anos com um sistema electrónico manufacturado, o 'tapboard.effector.soundsystem', Uenishi tem ultimamente explorado a mobilidade do powerbook e a sua presença mais discreta. o.blaat actuou em vários locais e eventos em Nova Iorque, incluindo Tonic, The Cooler, The Kitchen, SHARE at openair, Whitney Museum of American Art, P.S. 1 Contemporary Art Center, American Museum of Moving Image, UnityGain, phonomena, Rhizome.org, White Columns, NYC, Vox Populi Gallery em Philladelphia, e também na Europa: Rhiz & Phonotaktik Festival (Viena) na Áustria; NBI, Bastard, Staatsbank, clubtransmediale festival 2004 (todos em Berlim); A-Musik (Colónia), na Alemanha; Le Lieu Unique (Nantes), Zoobizarre (Bordéus), Transfert 2003 (Lille-Paris-Poitiers-Bordéus) em França; STEIM (Amesterdão), WORM (Roterdão) na Holanda; RAS gallery (Barcelona) em Espanha; What Is Music? Festival em Melbourne e Sydney, na Austrália.

Colaborou com inúmeros artistas, incluindo: Ikue Mori, DJ Olive, Lloop, Miguel Frasconi, Timeblind, Eyvind Kang, Sachiko M, Tetsuji Akiyama, Aki Onda, Toshio Kajiwara, Zeena Parkins, Christine Bard, Kaffe Matthews, Georg Zeitblom, Ralph Steinbrüchel, Günter Müller, Norbert Morslang, Anthony Coleman, Kurt Ralske, Lukasz Lysakowski, HC Gilje, Eric Redlinger, Heimir Björgúlfsson, entre outros. Participou na peça para 17 guitarras e powerbooks de Marina Rosenfeld, 'Sheer Frost Orchestra 2000', e foi membro de um quarteto de computadores e electrónica com Ikue Mori, Kaffe Mathews e Marina Rosenfeld, gravado por encomenda de STEIM, Amesterdão, Holanda, 2001.

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| O.BLAAT EM CONCERTO EM PORTUGAL                   |
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Durante a próxima semana, Keiko Uenishi fará uma autêntica tournée portuguesa, com concertos em Setúbal, Lisboa e Porto. Não perca esta oportunidade única para  aver ao vivo:

02.06
o.blaat + Paulo Raposo + Vitor Joaquim
entrEMEs#4, Luisa Todi, Setúbal.pt

03.06
o.blaat
Ok.Suitcase
ZDB, Lisboa.pt
(lançamento Crónica 012~2004 e Crónica 011~2004)

04.06
o.blaat
Beat_Map hdj
Aniki Bóbó, Porto.pt
(lançamento Crónica 012~2004)

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| novo lançamento                                   |
| Miguel Flor: On Cotton                            |
| Crónica 013~2004                                  |
| 5 tamanhos, 3 cores                               |
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Pois, definitivamente o Verão parece ter feito uma retirada estratégica. Talvez se lembrem de num dos nossos últimos mails ter sido escrito que o Miguel Flor, o nosso iconoclasta pluridisciplinar preferido, estava a desenhar uma micro-colecção de T-shirts para a Crónica. Bom, estão prontas, em vermelho, preto e cinza, perspontos exclusivos, 100% algodão e bordadas com o ripoff da HMV. A escolha do Miguel Flor para desenhar as nossas T-shirts é, mais uma vez -- no que a qualidade e talento diz respeito, uma prova cabal que a Crónica não faz concessões, mesmo quando se trata de T-shirts.

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| PEDRO TUDELA + AGF                                |
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Este é um encontro inédito entre Pedro Tudela, uma presença constante no panorama nacional da música electrónica e multimédia da última década, quer nos trabalhos individuais, quer com colectivos como os mute life dept. [MLd] ou o trio de "laptops" @c, e Antye Greie Fuchs, conhecida como membro dos Laub, bem como pelas colaborações com Craig Armstrong e Vlaldislav Delay. No projecto AGF, Greie reune a arte e a tecnologia para reordenar os restos e vestígios de uma "e-poesia" e explorar os processos de edição e novas relações entre a linguagem e a canção.

29.05
Pedro Tudela + AGF
Auditório do Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Serralves, Porto.pt

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| CRÓNICA ALL STARS NO ANVERSÁRIO DE SERRALVES      |
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O Museu de Serralves faz anos e celebra-os com uma festa de arromba para a qual a Crónica também foi convidada. Só temos 40 minutos, mas uma sala fantástica e um alinhamento de mini concertos para um domingo à tarde perfeito.

06.06
Crónica All Stars @ the Serralves Birthday Party
um concerto de 40' com: Pedro Tudela, Miguel Carvalhais, Return, Vitor Joaquim, Paulo Raposo, o.blaat, Lia
Casa de Serralves, Porto.pt

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| PRÓXIMOS CONCERTOS                                |
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Um longo programa! Se visitar o festival Sónar em Barcelona, esteja atento às performances de Lia e Durán Vázquez.

28.05
André Gonçalves
Kruppa
Casa dos Dias d'Água, Lisboa.pt

29.05
Pedro Tudela + AGF
Auditório do Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Serralves, Porto.pt

02.06
o.blaat + Paulo Raposo + Vitor Joaquim
entrEMEs#4, Luisa Todi, Setúbal.pt

03.06
o.blaat
Ok.Suitcase
ZDB, Lisboa.pt
(lançamento Crónica 012~2004 e Crónica 011~2004)

04.06
o.blaat
Beat_Map hdj
Aniki Bóbó, Porto.pt
(lançamento Crónica 012~2004)

05.06
Durán Vázquez
Christine Fowler
Beat_Map hdj
Maus Hábitos, Porto.pt

05.06
André Gonçalves & Paulo Raposo
CEM, Lisboa.pt

05-11.06
Vitor Joaquim + Nuno Rebelo
workshop e concerto de música improvisada
Ecodrome, Bragança.pt

06.06
Crónica All Stars @ the Serralves Birthday Party
um concerto de 40' com: Pedro Tudela, Miguel Carvalhais, Return, Vitor Joaquim, Paulo Raposo, o.blaat, Lia
Casa de Serralves, Porto.pt

12.06
@c (visuais de Lia)
Paulo Raposo
Casa dos Dias d'Água, Lisboa.pt

17.06
Durán Vázquez
Sónar, Barcelona.es

17.06
Lia
visuais para Ryuichi Sakamoto + OBC orchestra
Sónar, Barcelona.es

17.06
Receptor + outros
Fuera de Série MiniFest
Sifó, Barcelona.es

18.06
Lia
palestras sonorama
Sónar, Barcelona.es

18.06
Lia
visuais no SónarClub
Sónar, Barcelona.es

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| PRÓXIMOS LANÇAMENTOS                              |
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Ainda antes do verão será lançado um novo disco de Heimir Björgúlfsson, Pimmon and Helgi Thorsson: still important somekind not normally seen (always not unfinished), Crónica 014~2004. Será a banda sonora perfeita para a pausa estival.

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From epistolaris at freemail.hu  Thu May 27 19:26:19 2004
From: epistolaris at freemail.hu (epistolaris at freemail.hu)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:26:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: -?-
In-Reply-To: p05200f00bcdb9670f5be@[80.218.209.93]
Message-ID: sympa.1085678709.30584.136@anart.no

I have seen Keiko Suzuki recently in Novi Sad. She's fine.

greetings,
ab


From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 27 19:24:22 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:24:22 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <1046.82.224.112.161.1085675865.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
References: <a06002003bcdb9f04b240@[213.23.156.6]>
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Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040527192315.01ef3178@pop.free.fr>

At 18:37 27/05/2004, you wrote:
>suisse allemand plutôt

c'est bon
vous appuyez ma candidature ?



> > il faut parler alsacien aussi ???
> >
> >
> > Le jeudi, 27 mai 2004, à 15:37 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a écrit
> > :
> >
> >>>
> >>> does one _have to live in austria to get the job?
> >>
> >> pfff ..
> >>
> >> http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung
> >>
> >>
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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 27 19:55:57 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:55:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
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References:     <a06002003bcdb9f04b240@[213.23.156.6]><1421957C-AFE6-11D8-86E3-000393B03010@free.fr><1046.82.224.112.161.1085675865.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
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ouais, de toutes nos forces,
et si tu t'emmerdes là-bas,
t'auras qu'à nous inviter :)

kisses
astrëe

> At 18:37 27/05/2004, you wrote:
>>suisse allemand plutôt
>
> c'est bon
> vous appuyez ma candidature ?
>
>
>
>> > il faut parler alsacien aussi ???
>> >
>> >
>> > Le jeudi, 27 mai 2004, à 15:37 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a
>> écrit
>> > :
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> does one _have to live in austria to get the job?
>> >>
>> >> pfff ..
>> >>
>> >> http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> no commercial use of the texts without permission
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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 27 20:01:47 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:01:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] \\ very apropos
In-Reply-To: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405271401260.25131@panix3.panix.com>



I assume Josh is someone you don't like?

- Alan


On Thu, 27 May 2004 integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

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> MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS
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> goldberg - you filthy fucking SHIT - if I were you I would my mouth shut
> fat fucking sow bitch ass MOTHER FUCKER + all other lovely superlatives filthy FUCK
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http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
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Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
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From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Thu May 27 20:51:29 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:51:29 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] \\ very apropos
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405271401260.25131@panix3.panix.com>
References: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>
 <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405271401260.25131@panix3.panix.com>
Message-ID: <a06002004bcdbe84edaf4@[213.23.156.6]>

>I assume Josh is someone you don't like?
>

looks like 2x humor

>- Alan

well .. the net allows for all kind of dresses


From ivo at reporters.net  Thu May 27 19:50:55 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:50:55 -0400
Subject: (Fwd) FYI: Plane Turned Around After 9/11 Discussion (AP)
Message-ID: <40B5F23F.10929.31E82A68@localhost>

How does that saying go? That if you do not protest violations 
against others "they" will come after you at the end, and there will 
be nobody left to raise the voice on your behalf. That saying really 
went a long way in Bush's US - from arresting Muslims to arresting 
Born-Again Christians!!! So, who s safe if just an overheard remark 
will get FBI to turn around flights?
ivo

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4138523,00.html

Plane Turned Around After 9/11 Discussion

Thursday May 27, 2004 1:46 PM

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) - A plane was turned around on the runway and
returned to the gate after three men were overheard praying and
discussing the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

The men - two ministers from Toronto and one of their cousins from 
the United States - were on a Continental flight Wednesday headed to
Newark, N.J.

The pilot taxied back to Buffalo-Niagara International Airport, where
members of the joint terrorism task force in Buffalo interviewed the
men and fellow passengers.

The ministers were identified as the Rev. Komal Singh and the Rev.
Yohan Heenatigala. The third man was not identified.

Singh was on his way to an evangelical crusade in Baltimore when he
told another passenger that the passenger's last breath on Earth 
would be his first breath in heaven if he became a born-again 
Christian.

``My first reaction was someone was just talking and someone got
nervous and that's exactly what it turned out to be, but it has to be
checked out,'' said Peter Ahearn, FBI special agent in charge.

The men were released and the flight took off.


_____


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 20:45:51 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:45:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405271845.i4RIjp308997@www.god-emil.dk>


>I assume Josh is someone you don't like?
>
>- Alan


whatever gave you that idea.
i like everyone ... and i like him as much as i like the MOTHER FUCKING refuse he calls his art



>>I assume Josh is someone you don't like?
>>
>
>looks like 2x humor
>
>>- Alan
>
>well .. the net allows for all kind of dresses

uen l!ku!d evaporatez !t zoakz up heat









From to-me at mi2.hr  Thu May 27 22:19:25 2004
From: to-me at mi2.hr (tomislav medak)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:19:25 +0200
Subject: A spectre is haunting Europe - the GNU Spectrum... 
Message-ID: <40B64D4D.3010001@mi2.hr>

GNU Spectrum public discussion

===================================

With the publication of the "GNU Pauk" reader forthcoming, we invite you 
to an open online discussion of the selection of reader texts in english 
collected under the title "GNU Spectrum" and to be found at the 
http://www.gnupauk.org/EnglishGnuSpectrum. There you can find links to 
all the original texts and to their translations into Croatian that will 
be published in the reader. The entire discussion will be published 
intact on a CD ROM that will come with the print publication.

The "GNU Spectrum" discusses the alternatives to the restrictive 
understanding and legislative regulation of intellectual property and 
copyright that serve today to uphold the corporate interests of music, 
film and entertainment industry in general. The examples of such 
distorted perspectives can also be found in the appropriation of 
scientific research and discoveries (in medicine, genetic engineering, 
biotechnologies etc.) by the private capital by means of absurd patents 
or monopolization of distribution of scientific papers in privately 
owned scientific newspapers accessible only to the richest.

"GNU Spectrum" is a collection of essays inspired by the Free Software 
movement which, with its collaborative model of production, increasingly 
imposes itself as a successful alternative to the Microsoft monopoly on 
the OS market. Tomislav Medak and Marcell Mars have made a selection of 
texts by the prominent theoreticians of new media and technologies and 
prominent actors in the GNU movement, who reflect on the possibilities 
of resistance to the stifling of freedom to create, collaborate and 
share in the broader field of intellectual production. Richard Barbrook, 
Manuel DeLanda, Lawrence Lessig, Richard Stallman, Josephine Berry a.o. 
announce the move towards GNU in art, economy, social theory, politics...

The print publication, "GNU Pauk". will be published during July by the 
Multimedia Institute and DAF (both Zagreb, Croatia). In the spirit of 
the GNU movement everyone can participate in the production of this 
book, by proposing and commenting the selection of texts, issues in them 
and translations into croatian that can be found at 
http://www.gnupauk.org and that are available under the GNU General 
Public License. Your contribution will be published on the CD ROM that 
will come with the print publication.

Kind regards,
Tomislav Medak

===================================

contacts:
Tomislav Medak
tomi at mi2.hr

Marcell Mars
m at rcell.net


From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 23:44:55 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:44:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405272144.i4RLitx09186@www.god-emil.dk>



joshua goldberg - 

>hey, cheers to you too, babe!
>
>last night was sensational as always.  thanks for bringing the beer!


I am not Jeremy Burstein MOTHER FUCKER

2 fat bald jankee MOTHER FUCKERS ... Jitter mascot











From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 28 00:02:44 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:02:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405272202.i4RM2i309210@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0527-03.htm


reminds of Cycling74's BULLSHIT / illegal excuse for deleting
the Max-l archives - that their server was hacked ... on the same day
Jitter was released ... how FUCKING gullible ... like Clayton being out of the country
like Zicarelli being on vacation ...

2 bit criminal MOTHER FUCKERS





but the best part is that the idiots who believed all that SHIT
must be dumber than Zicarelli ... nice FUCKING community






From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 23:32:20 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:32:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405272132.i4RLWK909175@www.god-emil.dk>



>venom

mais non. cest pas ca.

it is just an upside down FUCKING mirror -> =cw4t7abs
we like FUCKING queens english ... and if in the process
we vomit on the criminal MOTHER FUCKING apes at Cycling74 - well

we cannot be FUCKING bothered


so yep - FUCK ALL OF YOU MOTHER FUCKERS + s pi t


simply.FUCKING.sanitary - enjoy - this is precisely how you appeared to us
for the past 8 years - SHIT 


- 3 fabrik wool ... 
from the stories of vladimir nobokov










From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 23:18:12 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:18:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405272118.i4RLICo09161@www.god-emil.dk>



good FUCKING luck. we also gave the criminal MOTHER FUCKERS at Cycling74 INC
the opportunity to prove they did not RAPE our intellectual property.

the criminal MOTHER FUCKERS at Cycling74 INC did not, offering instead
they didnt do anything wrong because they didn't know it was wrong,
because they are not attorneys - pathetic bovine MOTHER FUCKERS

CHEERS also to all the MOTHER FUCKERS that cheered the Cycling74 RAPE on

stupid barbaric MOTHER FUCKERS


http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0527-01.htm










From hub at x-arn.org  Fri May 28 08:37:15 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:37:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
Message-ID: <20040528063715.F18E5470D5@baloo.ou-data.net>


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From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Fri May 28 00:35:30 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:35:30 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Fw: for Syndicate GRZINIC: Kurtz case, petition signed by US
 and send to the local USA Embassies???
Message-ID: <a06002012bcdc1bc9ebd7@[213.23.156.6]>

>X-Delivery-Time: 1085695907
>From: "Marina Grzinic" <margrz at zrc-sazu.si>
>To: "Claudia Westermann" <media at ezaic.de>
>Subject: Fw: for Syndicate GRZINIC: Kurtz case, petition signed by 
>US and send to the local USA Embassies???
>Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:09:07 +0200
>X-Priority: 3
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:margrz at zrc-sazu.si>Marina Grzinic
>To: <mailto:faces-l at lists.servus.at>faces-l at lists.servus.at
>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:07 AM
>Subject: GRZINIC: Kurtz case, petition signed by US and send to the 
>local USA Embassies???
>
>Lets start a petition for KURTZ in favour that his things  are to be 
>returned IMMEDITELY and to stop any police FBI, CIA and friends 
>further actions toward him...
>
>Who can write a statement in proper english? and we start to send 
>the petitions, each of us to the local USA Embassies and publish in 
>the local newsapers...
>
>LETS internationalize the thing in hard printing form....
>
>Marina Grzinic



From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Fri May 28 11:55:22 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:55:22 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [faces] fwd  [nettime-see] FBI ADBDUCTS ARTIST, SEIZES
 ART - HELP URGENTLY NEEDED
Message-ID: <a06002006bcdcbcc3db6e@[213.23.152.28]>

forward this too,
from Marina

>  >
>>
>>  May 25, 2004
>>  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>
>>  FBI ABDUCTS ARTIST, SEIZES ART
>>  Feds Unable to Distinguish Art from Bioterrorism
>>  Grieving Artist Denied Access to Deceased Wife's Body
>>
>>             DEFENSE  FUND ESTABLISHED - HELP URGENTLY NEEDED
>>
>>  Steve Kurtz was already suffering from one tragedy when he called 911
>>  early in the morning to tell them his wife had suffered a cardiac arrest
>>  and died in her sleep.  The police arrived and, cranked up on the
>>  rhetoric
>>  of the "War on Terror," decided Kurtz's art supplies were actually
>>  bioterrorism weapons.
>>
>>  Thus began an Orwellian stream of events in which FBI agents abducted
>>  Kurtz without charges, sealed off his entire block, and confiscated his
>>  computers, manuscripts, art supplies... and even his wife's body.
>>
>>  Like the case of Brandon Mayfield, the Muslim lawyer from Portland
>>  imprisoned for two weeks on the flimsiest of false evidence, Kurtz's
>>  case
>>  amply demonstrates the dangers posed by the USA PATRIOT Act coupled with
>>  government-nurtured terrorism hysteria.
>>
>>  Kurtz's case is ongoing, and, on top of everything else, Kurtz is
>>  facing a
>>  mountain of legal fees. Donations to his legal defense can be made at
>>  http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/
>>
>>  FEAR RUN AMOK
>>
>>  Steve Kurtz is Associate Professor in the Department of Art at the State
>>  University of New York's University at Buffalo, and a member of the
>>  internationally-acclaimed Critical Art Ensemble.
>>
>>  Kurtz's wife, Hope Kurtz, died in her sleep of cardiac arrest in the
>>  early
>>  morning hours of May 11. Police arrived, became suspicious of Kurtz's
>>  art
>>  supplies and called the FBI.
>>
>>  Within hours, FBI agents had "detained" Kurtz as a suspected
>>  bioterrorist
>>  and cordoned off the entire block around his house. (Kurtz walked away
>>  the
>>  next day on the advice of a lawyer, his "detention" having proved to be
>>  illegal.) Over the next few days, dozens of agents in hazmat suits,
>>  from a
>>  number of law enforcement agencies, sifted through Kurtz's work,
>>  analyzing
>>  it on-site and impounding computers, manuscripts, books, equipment, and
>>  even his wife's body for further analysis. Meanwhile, the Buffalo Health
>>  Department condemned his house as a health risk.
>>
>>  Kurtz, a member of the Critical Art Ensemble, makes art which addresses
>>  the politics of biotechnology. "Free Range Grains," CAE's latest
>>  project,
>>  included a mobile DNA extraction laboratory for testing food products
>>  for
>>  possible transgenic contamination. It was this equipment which triggered
>>  the Kafkaesque chain of events.
>>
>>  FBI field and laboratory tests have shown that Kurtz's equipment was not
>>  used for any illegal purpose. In fact, it is not even _possible_ to use
>>  this equipment for the production or weaponization of dangerous germs.
>>  Furthermore, any person in the US may legally obtain and possess such
>>  equipment.
>>
>>  "Today, there is no legal way to stop huge corporations from putting
>>  genetically altered material in our food," said Defense Fund spokeswoman
>>  Carla Mendes. "Yet owning the equipment required to test for the
>>  presence
>>  of 'Frankenfood' will get you accused of 'terrorism.' You can be
>>  illegally
>>  detained by shadowy government agents, lose access to your home, work,
>>  and
>>  belongings, and find that your recently deceased spouse's body has been
>>  taken away for 'analysis.'"
>>
>>  Though Kurtz has finally been able to return to his home and recover his
>>  wife's body, the FBI has still not returned any of his equipment,
>>  computers or manuscripts, nor given any indication of when they will.
>>  The
>>  case remains open.
>>
>>  HELP URGENTLY NEEDED
>>
>>  A small fortune has already been spent on lawyers for Kurtz and other
>>  Critical Art Ensemble members. A defense fund has been established at
>>  http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/ to help defray the legal costs which
>  > will continue to mount so long as the investigation continues. Donations
>>  go directly to the legal defense of Kurtz and other Critical Art
>>  Ensemble
>>  members. Should the funds raised exceed the cost of the legal defense,
>>  any
>>  remaining money will be used to help other artists in need.
>>
>>  To make a donation, please visit http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/
>>
>>  For more information on the Critical Art Ensemble, please visit
>>  http://www.critical-art.net/
>>
>>  Articles about the case:
>>  http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/news-WKBW-2.html
>>  http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/news-WKBW.html
>>
>>  On advice of counsel, Steve Kurtz is unable to answer questions
>>  regarding
>>  his case. Please direct questions or comments to Carla Mendes
>>  <CAEdefense at rtmark.com>.
>>
>>
>>
>>  ______________________________________________
>>  SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe
>>  Info, archive and help:
>>  http://coredump.buug.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
>>
>>  ...............................................
>>  Nettime-SEE mailing list
>>  Nettime-SEE at nettime.org
>>  http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-see
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
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>>  faces-l at lists.servus.at
>>  http://lists.servus.at/mailman/listinfo/faces-l
>>  http://faces-l.net
>>



From hub at x-arn.org  Fri May 28 14:45:59 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:45:59 +0200 (CEST)
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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 28 03:26:26 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Hometown escapes:
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405272126170.7296@panix3.panix.com>




Hometown escapes:


                 *************
                 Flood warning
                 *************
920 PM EDT Wed may 26 2004

The National Weather Service in Binghamton has issued a

* Flash Flood Warning for...
  Luzerne County in northeast Pennsylvania


* until 1215 am EDT

* at 913 PM EDT...National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated
  very heavy rain was falling in western Luzerne County and also over
  east central Luzerne County...southeast of Wilkes-Barre.

* Locations in the warning include but are not limited to
  Wyoming...Wilkes-Barre...Swoyersville...Sweet Valley...Sugar
  Notch...Stoddartsville...Shavertown...Preston...Plymouth...plains...
  Penobscot...Nanticoke...Muhlenberg...Luzerne...Larksville...Laflin...
  Kingston...Huntington Mills...Fairview Heights...mountain top...
  Fairmount Springs..Edwardsville...Dallas and Bear Creek.

Some creek basins that may have imminent flood problems are Pine
Creek...ashs West Branch...Rogers Creek and Shickshinny creek.

Be especially cautious at night when it is harder to recognize the
dangers of flooding. If flash flooding is observed act quickly. Move
up to higher ground to escape flood waters.

Lat...Lon 4128 7566 4115 7561 4106 7566 4118 7630
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xpires:270415 gmt


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From info at realtokyo.co.jp  Fri May 28 05:28:36 2004
From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:28:36 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 181
Message-ID: <1B0DB500-B057-11D8-9414-00039390B296@realtokyo.co.jp>

R    E    A    L    T    O    K    Y    O    MAIL MAGAZINE
_____5_28_2004_Fri_vol.181_____ http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/



[This Week's Index]

(1) Out of Tokyo Vol. 088
Transfigurations of Bookshops
by Ozaki Tetsuya

(2) Tokyo Editors' Diary
Baba Masataka ("A" magazine) Vol. 018

(3) Event Pick of the Week
audio forma presents Berlin Electronic Modern
by Andreas



This week's RT Picks:

art+cinema+music+stage+design+town = 36 events
including 7 new ones!
Plus new entries on our 'book/disk' page.

Check them out!

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/


===============================================================
(1) Out Of Tokyo
===============================================================

Vol. 088: Transfigurations of Bookshops
by Ozaki Tetsuya

As you'll know if you happen to live in the Kansai area, there
are a number of shops in Kyoto that cater in a careful way to
a book-loving clientele. Among them are Sangatsu Shobo in
Teramachi-Nijo, Media Shop in Kawaramchi-Sanjo, Ichijoji's
Keibunsha, and many more. Tokyo, of course, has such shops as
NADiff, Aoyama Book Center or Libro Book Center to offer, but
while the shops in Kyoto are of a somewhat smaller scale, the
atmosphere there is more intimate and relaxing. And that in such
a city... (oh, sorry for that!) I'm not so familiar with the
situation in Osaka, but according to a member of our editorial
team who went there recently, also in Osaka pleasant book and
accessory shops that sell Japanese and foreign, new and used
books such as Calo Bookshop and Cafe, Berlin Books, Colombo
Design Store and others have increased there.

Read more at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/column/ozaki88.htm


==============================================================
(2) Tokyo Editors' Diary
==============================================================

Baba Masataka ("A") Vol. 018

The man who disperses water

I'm still visiting Beijing frequently.
That's because we're establishing office and trade facilities
in a suburban town called Xing Long, a 30-minute car ride from
Tiananmen in the centre of Beijing. While I'm advocating all
things "R" in Tokyo, here I'm in the middle of a scrap-and-build
project and watch building after building being erected where
once was nothign but vast plains. Last month I spent a week in
Beijing to witness the construction on the home straight, doing
my work in a corner of our local partner's office. It's a nicely
spacious, sun-drenched place with huge windows, and our frustrated
staff members who accompanied me suggested, "let's not go back to
our dark Nihonbashi warehouse..."

Read more at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/diary/0049-henshucho.htm


===============================================================
(3) Event Pick of the Week
===============================================================

audio forma presents Berlin Electronic Modern

There is, of course, spirited activity also in countries like
France for instance, and Japan has a number of good labels to
offer too. But as two outstanding poles in the world of
electronica, the Berlin scene and Tokyo's border-crossing (in
any sense of the term) Progressive Form label have been playing
important roles. In the next volume of their "audio forma" series,
PF is going to introduce both artists from Berlin and their own
stable, which is enough to classify this as an absolutely
essential event. Static (photo) and Rechenzentrum, who both
delivered in the last couple of years some of the best the genre
has to offer with "Eject Your Mind" and "Director's Cut"
respectively, are undoubtedly this time's highlights, together
with Morr artists Herrmann & Kleine. But also the sets of
Japanese representatives such as Sketch Show and Kurokawa Ryoichi
are not to be missed.
--Andreas

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http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/event_cgi/ev_viewE.cgi?2,1924


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From ivo at reporters.net  Fri May 28 15:12:42 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:12:42 -0400
Subject: Bill Gates and Serbian Orthodox Church
Message-ID: <40B7028A.5182.360FCEAF@localhost>

Microsoft released a copy of Office in Serbian (cyrillic). MS then 
gave a free software package not to a school or library - but to 
patriarch Pavle of Serbian Orthodox Church.
------- Forwarded message follows -------
http://www.danas.co.yu/20040528/dezurna1.html

Poklon Majkrosofta Srpskoj pravoslavnoj crkvi
Programski paket "MS Ofisa" na srpskom jeziku

Beograd - Predstavnici "Majkrosofta" urucili su juce patrijarhu 
Srpske
pravoslavne crkve Pavlu prve kopije programskog paketa "MS Ofisa"
(Office) na srpskom jeziku, saopštila je ta kompanija. Patrijah Pavle
je rekao da je to "velika stvar za naš narod i njegovo znanje, ali i
za našu crkvu u kojoj se sve više koriste racunari", navodi se u
saopštenju. Generalni direktor "Majkrosofta" za SCG Dejan Cvetkovic
izrazio je nadu da ce taj proizvod, rezultat timskog rada strucnjaka
iz Irske, Grcke i Srbije, naci svoje mesto u SPC. Kancelarija
Majkrosofta u Srbiji je u aprilu promovisala "Ofis 2003", a kljucni
programi iz tog paketa (Word, Excel, Outlook i Power Point) dostupni
su na cirilicnom i latinicnom pismu. Beta

---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org




From replic88t at replic88t.net  Fri May 28 15:16:41 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:16:41 +0100
Subject: Boardroom Boxing Session
Message-ID: <420F8112-B0A9-11D8-AD0F-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>

Replic**t Ltd
corporate whore or art bore?

live online today at 3pm BST.
www.furtherfield.org/furtherstudio

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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 28 18:13:13 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:13:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405281613.i4SGDDM10838@www.god-emil.dk>



>From: tomislav medak <to-me at mi2.hr>

>GNU Spectrum public discussion
>
>===================================
>
>With the publication of the "GNU Pauk" reader forthcoming, we invite you 
>to an open online discussion of the selection of reader texts in english 
>collected under the title "GNU Spectrum" and to be found at the 
>http://www.gnupauk.org/EnglishGnuSpectrum. There you can find links to 
>all the original texts and to their translations into Croatian that will 
>be published in the reader. The entire discussion will be published 
>intact on a CD ROM that will come with the print publication.
>
>The "GNU Spectrum" discusses the alternatives to the restrictive 
>understanding and legislative regulation of intellectual property and 
>copyright that serve today to uphold the corporate interests of music, 

You know, some communists also proposed FREE access to women



>film and entertainment industry in general. The examples of such 
>distorted perspectives can also be found in the appropriation of 

Live Flesh




>tomislav medak

Fascist MOTHER FUCKER








From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 28 18:25:53 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:25:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ Cycling74 prison fotos
Message-ID: <200405281625.i4SGPr210856@www.god-emil.dk>






>Gertrúdis Callosidad 
>Fri, 28 May 2004 11:19:29 +0000 

>>From: joshua goldberg <josh at goldbergs.com>
>>Reply-To: 55 at bek.no
>>To: 55 at bek.no
>>Subject: Re: /55(no subject)
>>Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:50:01 -0400
>>
>>hey, cheers to you too, babe!
>>
>>last night was sensational as always.  thanks for bringing the beer!
>>
>
>thanks for the pictures! uau!
>
>http://uhpdistro.webcindario.com/tortura%20irak.htm



mda, and here is Zicarelli during a Cycling74 company wide meeting


David ZIKFUK Zicarelli has said:

"Apparently Andrew, who gave NN the MSP license, has never met NN but
fell for her in a big way (Andrew has, incidentally, dated Bjork's
mother! is that a cool fact or what?). Anyway, both Beatrice and
Chris Murtagh have spent a ridiculous amount of time following various
leads. [...] She was interested in my Australian information [...]
Chris has some other fairly interesting insights, at least about the
person doing the e-mail activity."


and that's just a tiny part of it.


sick criminal jankee MO DZR FU KRZ













From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 29 03:52:42 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 03:52:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405290152.i4T1qgW14188@www.god-emil.dk>



>"this is a struggle of good and evil. and good will prevail" (g.w.bush)

xy = good
2x = evil

>since evil and good have become the same (g.w.bush + n+1_more) 

nn


>this 
>duality does not make sense anymore. nor does interpolation between the 
>two.

the bird fights its way out of the egg.
the egg is the world.
who would be born must first destroy a world.
the bird flies to god.
the god's name is abraxas.







my nature had never been disposed to this kind of direkt
and conscious investigation where at first one finds
only truths that are so much dead weight in one's hand.


>hence the only way must be an extrapolation, i.e. exertion of the 
>shutdown command.

8th world salt symposium, says the queen, hurriedly and clumsily signing in rose
language. she leaves the scene. falling asleep as soon as she touches the
heavily starched bed covers.

She disappears from 01 world and ventures to another.

..............

01 else restarts or shuts down the computer and turns around.




simply.unconscious occident bagatele

uh! d!d sosnovsky return 2 rus!a !f he kneu he ud b 01 zlave -> www.lancome.com









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 29 04:54:40 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 04:54:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ land of the MOTHER FUCKING FREE ... 2 eat
Message-ID: <200405290254.i4T2seq14255@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0528-02.htm
















From ivo at reporters.net  Sat May 29 19:29:41 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 13:29:41 -0400
Subject: From Abu Ghraib to Jezevo
Message-ID: <40B89045.5793.3C216F8A@localhost>

i am sure Croatian tv can conduct a poll showing that majority of 
Croatian citizens do not consider what happene at Jezevo torture - 
but i am not sure if that poll would have the same weight against the 
AI accusations, as apparently the American one has. some countries 
are just more sovereign than others.
ivo

News Release Issued by the International Secretariat of Amnesty
International

AI INDEX: EUR 64/002/2004 28 May 2004

Croatia: Implement recommendations to prevent torture


Amnesty International today called on the Croatian authorities to 
immediately implement the recommendations of the United Nations (UN)
Committee against Torture (CAT) which were issued on 14 May 2004, 
after
the CAT considered Croatia's third periodic report.


Prior to the examination of Croatia's report, Amnesty International 
had
submitted a written briefing to the CAT. The document Croatia: 
Briefing to
the United Nations Committee against Torture, published today, 
details
Amnesty International's concerns with regard to issues related to 
torture
and other forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or 
punishment in
Croatia as they were included in the organization's briefing to the 
CAT.
Amnesty International's concerns focus in particular on:

- the failure of the Croatian authorities to thoroughly and promptly
investigate acts of torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading 
treatment,
which occurred during the 1991-1995 armed conflict between the 
Croatian
Army and Croatian Serb armed forces, aided by the then Yugoslav 
People's
Army (Jugoslovenska narodna armija - JNA), and to ensure that the
perpetrators of these human rights violations are brought to justice,
either before domestic courts or before the International Criminal
Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (Tribunal);

- the failure of the authorities to thoroughly and promptly 
investigate
violent attacks by non-state actors against returnees and members of
ethnic minorities and to ensure that the perpetrators of these human
rights abuses are brought to justice;

- reports of harassment, ill-treatment and arbitrary detention of 
refugees
and asylum-seekers detained in the Ježevo Reception Centre for 
Foreigners;

- the failure of the authorities to prevent serious violence and 
bullying
between children and young adults placed in social care institutions.


Amnesty International welcomed the recommendations issued by the CAT 
and
urged the Croatian authorities to implement them. The CAT recommended
inter alia:

- to "take effective measures to ensure impartial, full and prompt 
investigations into all allegations of torture and other cruel, 
inhuman or
degrading treatment, the prosecution and punishment of the 
perpetrators as
appropriate and irrespective of their ethnic origin, and the 
provision of
fair and adequate compensation for the victims";

- to fully cooperate with the Tribunal ensuring that all indicted 
persons
present on Croatian territory are arrested and transferred to the
Tribunal's custody;

- to ensure the protection of ethnic and other minorities by 
undertaking
all effective measures to prosecute and punish all violent acts 
against
these individuals, establishing programs to increase awareness 
raising,
preventing and combating this form of violence, and including this 
issue
in the training of law-enforcement officials and other relevant
professional groups;

- to refrain from detaining asylum-seekers and illegal migrants for 
prolonged periods and adopt all necessary measures to improve the 
material
conditions of the reception centres for asylum-seekers and 
immigrants,
ensuring the physical and psychological integrity of all individuals
accommodated in these centres;

- to "increase the protection of children and young adults placed in
social care institutions, inter alia, by ensuring that violent acts 
are
reported and investigated, providing support and treatment for 
children
and young adults with psychological problems, and ensuring that these
institutions employ trained personnel, such as social workers,
psychologists and pedagogues".


In its own recommendations to the Croatian authorities, Amnesty 
International called for measures to be taken to ensure that 
perpetrators
of war crimes and crimes against humanity, including acts of torture,
cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment committed during 
the
1991-1995 conflict are brought to justice, either before the Tribunal 
or
before domestic courts in proceedings that meet recognized 
international
standards of fairness.

Amnesty International urged the authorities to protect Serbian and 
other
minority refugees returning to Croatia and to end impunity for 
violent
attacks against returnees. The authorities should also promptly and
thoroughly investigate all racially motivated attacks against members 
of
Romani communities ensuring that the perpetrators are brought to 
justice.

Amnesty International urged the Croatian authorities to stop 
routinely
detaining, in some cases for prolonged periods, asylum-seekers and
undocumented migrants and to promptly, thoroughly and impartially
investigate all alleged cases of harassment and ill-treatment of 
refugees
held in detention facilities for asylum-seekers and undocumented 
migrants.

The organization also called on the authorities to ensure that 
children
resident in social care institutions are protected from violence and 
are
treated and supervised by professionally trained staff.

Amnesty International called on the European Union (EU) to ensure 
that
these recommendations will be given adequate attention in the
implementation of the European Partnership for Croatia proposed by 
the
European Commission in April. The draft Partnership lists the
strengthening of the judicial system, improved protection for 
minorities,
speeded up refugee returns and full cooperation with the Tribunal as
priorities for the country's preparations for further integration 
with the
EU. The European Partnership for Croatia is to be endorsed in 
conjunction
with the expected positive decision by the EU summit in mid-June to 
start
accession negotiations with Croatia.


View the full report "Croatia: Briefing to the United Nations 
Committee
Against Torture " at
http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maaciq8aa7c5IbdYiHgb/

Croatia in the Amnesty International Annual Report 2004: 
http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maaciq8aa7c5JbdYiHgb/

View all documents on Croatia 
http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maaciq8aa7c5KbdYiHgb/
Ivo Skoric
1773 Lexington Ave
New York NY 10029
212.369.9197
ivo at balkansnet.org
http://balkansnet.org




From ivo at reporters.net  Sat May 29 19:29:43 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 13:29:43 -0400
Subject: Tito's lost world 
Message-ID: <40B89047.4048.3C217A7E@localhost>

24 years since he died, Tito's legacy is still strong among peoples 
of former Yugoslavia - actually it is stronger now than it was 
immediately following his death. it is as if people first felt 
relieved that a dictator died and hoped for the democracy to come in 
his place, and then when they got war and poverty instead, they 
started to appreciate the good times they had under him. today, 
except for Slovenia and Croatia, economy is worse in all other parts 
of former Yugoslavia.

ivo
ps
sorry for the bad formatting, but i have my right arm in sling...

From: www.iwpr.net
NOSTALGIA GROWS FOR TITO'S LOST WORLD



Social and economic instability prompt many Balkan citizens to yearn 
for a
time of order and prosperity. 



By Marcus Tanner, Muhamet Hajrullahu in Pristina, Drago Hedl in 
Osijek,
Dino Bajramovic in Sarajevo, Mitko Jovanov in Skopje, Vladimir Sudar 
in
Belgrade and Tanja Matic in Subotica



Kaqusha Jashari, head of the Social Democratic Party of Kosovo, has 
fond
memories of the days when she carried the baton for Yugoslavia's late
strongman, President Josip Broz "Tito".



A prominent Albanian politician in the communist regime, she was
selected for the honour of carrying a baton containing a message from 
the
nation's youth to the president in a relay from Slovenia in the north 
to
Kosovo and Macedonia in the south.



The culmination was the handing of the baton to the president in the
army stadium in Belgrade amid cheering crowds on his birthday on May 
25.
"The celebration of worship for Tito fitted in perfectly with the
education we had at the time," Jashari recalled. "It was everyone's
celebration, a festival of youth."  



Jashari's views are less unusual than many think. While four of the 
six
Yugoslav republics are now independent states and Kosovo - still
technically part of Serbia - is desperate to become the fifth, many
inhabitants of the former federation, especially the elderly and 
those
from the poor south, recall Yugoslavia with nostalgia. 



For them it was a time when food and jobs were plentiful, crime was 
low,
ethnic differences were downplayed and difficult political decisions 
were
left to the uniformed Marshal, whose stern features stared down from
thousands of portraits in offices, railways stations, shops and 
homes.



"I was rich in Tito's time, there were factories and handicraft
businesses - we had jobs, we had everything," mused 84-year-old Mehdi
Shabani from Pristina. "The standard of life was far better," added 
Osman
Krasniqi, 62, also a resident of the Kosovo capital. "With a low 
salary
you could build a house - you can't do that now."



Kosovo was the least Yugoslav area of all,  for the simple reason 
that it
was the least Slav.  "Albanians were less connected with Yugoslavia 
than
the other nations because they were the only non-Slavs. All we had in
common was the communist ideology, which was less personal than 
sharing a
language, culture and religion," said Jashari. 



Among the neighbouring Slavs of Macedonia, where locals not only got
jobs and food but their own republic, affection for Tito is far 
greater.
Whereas Tito's once ubiquitous name has been torn down from most 
streets
and squares in ex-Yugoslavia, in the Macedonian capital of Skopje, 
the
largest and most elite school still sports the title "Josip Broz 
Tito" and
each May 25 it honours its patron saint with a folk dance and a
flower-laying ceremony. 



For many Macedonians, poverty-stricken independence has proved a poor
exchange for a secure life in a large Slav federation. "There was no
division between rich and poor, everybody could afford to go to 
school and
have a home and a job," maintained Makedonka Jancevska, 62, a retired
Macedonian language teacher. 



"Patriotism was fostered on a broader scale; it meant respect of
everything related to the uniqueness of all the nations and
nationalities that were part of Yugoslavia."



"The standard of living we had provided us with economic security and 
many
social benefits," recalled Petar Mojsov, 46, a Macedonian accountant.
"Everyone could afford a flat and a car. I travelled to Italy for
shopping. I went to Greece for a vacation whenever I felt like it."



Tose Nackov, an electrical technician, remembers when whole towns in
Macedonia turned out to welcome the birthday baton that youths like
Kaqusha Jashari of Kosovo once proudly carried. 



"We were impatient for the day when it would visit our town," Nackov
said. "It was like a holiday and we would all gather in the square to
welcome it and see it off on its way to another town."



Enthusiasm for Tito's memory is so strong in Macedonia that last year 
a
new association was set up under Slobodan Ugrinovski to celebrate his
life. His 6,180 club members go on trips to (the few) institutions 
still
bearing Tito's name and visit the main shrines, Tito's final resting 
place
in Belgrade's House of Flowers and his birthplace in Kumrovec, 
Croatia. 



As in Macedonia, the hapless inhabitants of war-torn, economically
ruined Bosnia and Herzegovina cannot help but contrast life under 
Tito
with what they have now. To Bosnians, Tito's name is widely 
associated
with "the good old times". 



Far from dimming, the cult of Tito there grows ever stronger. When 
the
authorities recently tried to rename the main street in Sarajevo 
after
Alija Izetbegovic, Bosnia's first post-independence president, the 
city's
inhabitants rose up, hanging a billboard across the boulevard with 
Tito's
image on it and the slogan "This is the Street of Marshall Tito". 
Months
after the initiative collapsed, this billboard remains. 



"The young are turning to Tito because he personified prosperity," 
said
Adnan Koric, a member of the Bosnian Association of Josip Broz Tito. 
"They
know that only during Tito's time we constantly progressed for 45 
years in
every aspect of social and economic life."  



Koric believes Bosnians yearn for the time when they did not need
several currencies and visas to cross what was once a single 
territory.
"Now we cannot spend a tank of fuel driving in a straight line 
without
getting six visas first," Koric joked.  



In Sarajevo, Tito's image has returned from the cellars and second-
hand
shops to popular bars and restaurants. At Tito Bar, a popular haunt 
of
students, young people and professionals, walls are covered in Tito
insignia and photographs while waiters  wear uniforms bearing Tito's
still-familiar signature. "I come here to think about and live in the
past," said 26-year-old Amel. "Whatever some may say, our past was
brighter than our future." 



While Bosnia and Macedonia lost much and gained little from the fall 
of
Tito's Yugoslavia, memories are less rosy in neighbouring Serbia and
Croatia. For more than a decade under the rule of Slobodan Milosevic, 
Tito
was demonised in Serbia as a Croatian enemy who had plotted the 
Serbs'
downfall in Yugoslavia.



But even in Serbia, the disappointments of the past decade, including 
lost
wars and collapsing living standards, have changed minds. Misa 
Djurkovic,
of the Belgrade Institute for European Studies, says a growing 
nostalgia
for Tito's era is related to more than sorrow for lost living 
standards. 



"Yearning for [the old Yugoslavia] is also a yearning for order and
dignity," he said. "Our 'soft' communist dictatorship was, after all, 
a
serious, well-established system in which there were none of the
robberies, chaos and anarchy that are now sadly typical."



Djurkovic believes this nostalgia has even spread to some of the 
younger
generation, "Youngsters today see in Yugo-nostalgia an instrument of
protest against the rotten legacy of the Nineties, which they have
inherited." 



There is certainly no sign of the House of Flowers shutting its doors 
to
pilgrims, though it is a more neglected site than it was in the 
Eighties,
when foreign diplomats and visiting heads of state came to the grave 
to
pay their respects as a matter of course.



But if the crowned heads of state and presidents no longer troop past
Tito's mausoleum, war veterans, communist party members and
non-governmental organisations, NGOs, still return on the late 
leader's
birthday. Svetlana Ognjanovic, the House of Flowers spokeswoman, said 
she
expected up to 2,000 people for this year's commemoration, including 
a
large party of Slovenian Hell's Angels (the motorcyclists have made 
an
annual pilgrimage to the site since 2000).



The head of the Tito Centre NGO, retired army general Stevan 
Mirkovic,
also marks the day with dinners of partisan-style beans and a re-
enactment
of the baton ceremony.  And in Serbia's far north, Blasko Draskic, 
73, has
gone as far as you can in a campaign to restore Tito's memory, 
opening a
theme park named "Yugoland" near the border town of Subotica. 



Mini-Yugoslavia has several of the geographical attributes of the 
former
Yugoslavia, including a hill named after its highest peak, Mt 
Triglav, in
Slovenia. Old flags with red stars flutter around the entrance, while
Tito's portrait adorns every wall, showing Tito hunting, playing the
piano, reading, dancing and paying state visits. Blasko even issues
citizenship papers for Yugoland to visitors, and has enrolled 2,500 
so
far. 



Draskic says the abolition of the name "Yugoslavia" was a crime. "The
government [of Serbia and Montenegro] has killed off the name of the 
best
country, Yugoslavia, the last thing that reminded us of former 
Yugoslavia,
but without asking people for their consent," he said. "I had to save 
it
for all Yugo-nostalgic people who can come here freely to enjoy 
memories
of Tito's time." 



Although Draskic claims visitors are all of ages, the photographs of
celebrations held in Yugoland suggest Yugo-nostalgia is mainly a
middle-aged or elderly phenomenon.  



Among the young people of all republics, interest is small or 
confined to
a ironic cult, a bit like those ex-east Germans who mock-celebrate 
their
communist past by driving Trabant cars and sporting badges with 
communist
slogans.



Aca Bogdanovic, 32, from Belgrade, said he only respected Tito 
"because he
was the greatest hedonist of the 20th century" - hardly the kind of
compliment real devotees appreciate. That kind of ironic appreciation 
is
equally evident in Tito's Croatian homeland where only a handful 
remain
faithful to his political ideas, while a much larger and younger 
group
enjoy experimenting with Titoist motifs.



"It is mostly the young who buy these t-shirts - those who weren't 
even
born when Tito died!" remarked a salesman in Osjek, in northeast 
Croatia
of his stack of t-shirts with Tito's face on them. 



Zagreb sociologist Drazen Lalic says that while only a few older 
people
can be described as truly Yugo-nostalgic, a growing interest in Tito
personally and in the country he once ruled stems from the fact that
Croatia is more at ease with itself now than it was ten years ago. 



"After years of hearing that we belong solely to the Mediterranean or
Central European culture, we are now facing the fact that Croatia 
also
belongs to the Balkan cultural circle," said Lalic.



"Yugo-nostalgia exists but people do not grieve for Yugoslavia as 
their
former state," said Milanka Opacic, of the Social Democratic Party. 
"They
grieve for the quality of life they had. They think they were much 
better
off, safer, had a better standard of living and better health 
protection
than they now have." 



The plain fact is that Yugo-nostalgia no longer antagonises anyone
because no one seriously believes Yugoslavia will ever be recreated. 
In
Croatia, as the country heads towards the European Union, Yugoslavia 
is
seen as a thing of the past - an unsuccessful project that cannot and 
will
not be restored. As a result, Yugo-nostalgics in Croatia are now 
viewed as
romantics, rather than the enemies of the state they were called 
during
the era of Croatia's nationalist, leader Franjo Tudjman.



Marcus Tanner is IWPR Balkan editor/trainer; Dino Bajramovic is 
culture
editor at the Sarajevo weekly, Slobodna Bosna; Vladimir Sudar and 
Mitko
Jovanov are journalists with the Belgrade weekly Reporter and the
Macedonian daily Dnevnik respectively; and Muhamet Hajrullahu, Drago 
Hedl
and Tanja Matic are regular IWPR contributors.
---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org



From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 30 06:21:59 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 00:21:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: route 666 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405300021500.12621@panix3.panix.com>




route 666


there's no accounting for me - i'm just along for the ride - it's fast and
furious - it's the ride of a lifetime - don't forget me - i'm disappearing
- i'm in the fog the rain the thunder - you can see my face when the
lightning strikes - what i've witnessed - no human being should ever see -
should ever have to see - we're picking up speed - the road stretches to
infinity - lights overhead - the great sloop disappears in the distance -
comes up behind me - passes - comes up behind me - never mind - :back on
the road again - boat truck with boat - schooner - should be scooner -
they're leaving the city for good - refugees - something's in the air -
i've seen it all - i've been there and back - i've been around the bend -
trust me, there's nothing - but really there's everything - experiences
unlike anything anyone else has ever - had or seen - or heard for that
matter - all the senses - what a buildup - but it's true every word of it
- and then some - "your forest is blasphemy unto the Loard" - what could
this person have been thinking - "youre riding the boat of truth and
conversion" - should have been Truth maybe Conversion - just there to the
left of me - hundred hundred twenty kilometers an hour - each of them
named and accounted for -:i'm on the road - i'm invisible here - have to
stop to enter the wires - emissions no good no wifi nothing - no money for
satellites those things - just want you to know - what - i've seen wonders
- incredible things - you wouldn't believe - can't write about them now -
acts of altruism, murders - rapine and pillage - heroism to the nth degree
- higher - empathy and compassion - charities uncalled-for - slow down to
a crawl in the traffic - there's a six-wheeler ahead all black with tinted
windows - something going on in there - ::seal is 66 85 68 91 901 611 309
they say 3 9 380 on black stone

i'm on the road - i'm invisible here - have to stop to enter the wires -
emissions no good no wifi nothing - no money for satellites those things -
just want you to know - what - i've seen wonders - incredible things - you
wouldn't believe - can't write about them now - acts of altruism, murders
- rapine and pillage - heroism to the nth degree - higher - empathy and
compassion - charities uncalled-for - slow down to a crawl in the traffic
- there's a six-wheeler ahead all black with tinted windows - something
going on in there - your there's no accounting for me - i'm just along for
the ride - it's fast and furious - it's the ride of a lifetime - don't
forget me - i'm disappearing - i'm in the fog the rain the thunder - you
can see my face when the lightning strikes - what i've witnessed - no
human being should ever see - should ever have to see - we're picking up
speed - the road stretches to infinity - lights overhead - the great sloop
disappears in the distance - comes up behind me - passes - comes up behind
me - never mind -


they say 3 9 380 on black stone


_


From matze.schmidt at n0name.de  Sun May 30 10:56:09 2004
From: matze.schmidt at n0name.de (Matze Schmidt)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:56:09 +0200
Subject: radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a plunder!"
Message-ID: <8661658630.20040530105609@n0name.de>

(german version below)

 +
 O
/|\
/\ radi0.tv
live! from Berlin-Kreuzberg, Germany
Wd., 02.06.2004, 22:00-24:00 h. "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70,
privatisation is a plunder!". (dt.)
Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm

The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
(inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
(The radioshow will be in german)



radi0.tv
live! aus Berlin-Kreuzberg
Mi., 02.06.2004, 20:00-21:00 Uhr. "Hallo Manteuffelstr. 70,
Privatisierung ist Pluenderung!". (dt.)
Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm

Der Berliner SPD/PDS-Senat hat beschlossen, die
Wohnungsbaugesellschaft GSW mit ueber 65.000 Wohnungen - und damit
auch DIESES Haus hier! - an das Banken- und Immobilienkonsortium
"Cerberus" aus den USA zu verkaufen. Mit den Mietern hier im Haus,
Joachim Oellerich vom Berliner MieterGemeinschaft e.V. und
Vertreterinnen der Betroffenengemeinschaft Walde-Kiez (angefragt)
wollen wir uns informieren und Perspektiven besprechen.

Berliner MieterGemeinschaft e.V.
http://www.bmgev.de
Privatisierungsorgie in Berlin
http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/05-27/014.php
jW-Interview mit Joachim Oellerich (Berliner MieterGemeinschaft
e.V.)
http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/05-27/017.php
Betroffenengemeinschaft Walde-Kiez
http://www.waldekiez.org

Contact: radio-at-n0name.de [n0name with a 0 (in words "zero")!],
www.radi0.tv

Capitalism is in the house!



From matze.schmidt at n0name.de  Sun May 30 11:03:51 2004
From: matze.schmidt at n0name.de (Matze Schmidt)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 11:03:51 +0200
Subject: radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70 ..." !-> correction <-!
Message-ID: <8762121375.20040530110351@n0name.de>

 +
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/|\
/\ radi0.tv
live! from Berlin-Kreuzberg, Germany
Wd., 02.06.2004

!-> 20:00-21:00 h. <-!

"Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a plunder!". (dt.)
Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm



From davor.pavuna at urbanet.ch  Sun May 30 00:00:35 2004
From: davor.pavuna at urbanet.ch (Davor Pavuna)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 00:00:35 +0200
Subject: Tito's lost world <- an opposite view !
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>24 years since he died, Tito's legacy is still strong among peoples
>of former Yugoslavia - actually it is stronger now than it was
>immediately following his death.  ivo
>From: www.iwpr.net  :  NOSTALGIA GROWS FOR TITO'S LOST WORLD


Well, let me contrast it with a totally  opposite (yet valid) view:


  Hrvatska smotra
Hrvatsko prava”ko glasilo

Frankopanska 2/II 10 000 Zagreb  -  Brzoglas / brzovid: (01)  48 48 083
E-mail: hrvatska-smotra at net.hr
_iro-ra_un: Hrvatska _ista stranka prava, Zagreb
2340009-1110039903 - Privredna banka Zagreb




Na ruke:

PREDSJEDNIK REPUBLIKE HRVATSKE
Stjepan MESI_
Pantov_ak 241
10 000 Zagreb

HRVATSKI SABOR
predsjednik
Vladimir _EKS
Trg sv. Marka 6
10 000 Zagreb

HRVATSKA VLADA
  predsjednik
Ivo SANADER
Trg sv. Marka 2
10 000 Zagreb

GRAD ZAGREB
  gradona_elnica
Vlasta PAVI_
Trg Stjepana Radi_a 1
10 000 Zagreb




Po_tovani,


Svi generalni sekretari komunist_kih partija u 
biv_im socijalisti_kim zemljama Isto_ne Europe 
(Lenjin, Staljin, Enver Hod_a, Dimitrov, 
Ceausecu, Honecker i Ulbricht, GottwaldŠ), padom 
komunisti_kih diktatura i uspostavom demokratskih 
poredaka, izgubili su svoja imena ulica, trgova, 
avenija i gradova. Jedini izuzetak predstavlja 
generalni sekretar Komunisti_ke partije 
Jugoslavije Josip Broz Tito, po _ijem se imenu (i 
dan) danas u glavnom gradu Hrvatske, u Zagrebu, 
naziva jedan od najljep_ih trgova, _to u svakom 
slu_aju predstavlja civilizacijsku sramotu i 
uvredu miljunima _ivu_uh i umrlih _rtava njegove 
krvave diktature.

Iako je vo_a KPJ Josip Broz Tito bio od 1944. 
formalno  od zapadnih saveznika tijekom Drugog 
svjetskog rata, u zamjenu velikosrpske vlade u 
Londonu i njenoga fa_isti_koga ministra (_etnika) 
Dra_e Mihajlovi_a, priznat kao predstavnik 
antifa_isti_ke koalicije otpora na podru_ju biv_e 
Kraljevine Jugoslavije i tada_nje Nezavisne 
Dr_ave Hrvatske u borbi protiv okupaijskih 
oru_anih snaga fa_isti_ke Italije i nacisti_ke 
Njema_ke, Tito je svojim djelima pokazao ne samo 
da nije bio istinski "antifa_ist", ve_ da je bio 
okrutni komunisti_ki diktator.

- Tito snosi glavnu krivnju za likvidaciju 
najmanje 50 tisu_a (50 000) zarobljenih vojnika i 
civila biv_e Nezavisne Dr_ave Hrvatske (po 
izvorima jugoslavenske marksisti_ke 
historiografije, a oko 200 tisu_a (200 000) po 
objektivnim izvorima me_unarodne historiografije 
demokratskoga Zapada), i to u razdoblju poslije 
zavr_etka Drugoga svjetskoga rata, od 15. svibnja 
1945. do srpnja iste godine.
- U mar_evima smrti, na Kri_nom putu, po nalogu i 
pod vodstvom Josipa Broza Tita maltretirano je, 
mu_eno i ubijeno vi_e stotina tisu_a ljudi. 
Zarobljeni vojnici i civili zavr_avali su u 
sabirnim logorima i logorima smrti, iako je po 
me_unarodnoj _enevskoj konvenciji o ratnom pravu 
zabranjeno civile dr_ati kao ratne zarobljenike.
- Tito je dao likvidirati desetke tisu_a ljudi 
odmah nakon tzv. oslobo_enja u gradu Zagrebu (od 
8. svibnja na dalje), te je putem zlo_ina_ke 
organizacije Ozne vr_io _i__enja ideolo_ki 
nepodobnih, nevinih ljudi. Mnoge Zagrep_anke i 
Zagrep_ani likvidirani su metkom u potiljak i/ili 
zaklani te ba_eni u jamu Jazovka na _umbera_kom 
gorju i u druge jame u okolici Zagreba, a me_u 
njima i nekoliko tisu_a ranjenika i bolesnika 
odvedenih iz zagreba_kih bolnica. Isti stravi_ni 
zlo_ini izvr_eni su diljem cijele Hrvatske, od 
Dubrovnika (poznato strati_te oto_i_ Daksa) do 
Jasenovca (koji je zatvoren tek 1947. ili 1948. 
godine).
- Tito je glavni krivac za sramotni montirani 
politi_ki proces blagopokojnom kardinalu i 
mu_eniku Alojziju Stepincu, kao i za njegovo 
sustavno i podmuklo trovanje do nasilne smrti u 
jugoslavenoskom zatvoru-kazamatu  Lepoglava i 
progonstvu (ku_nom pritvoru) u njegovu rodnom 
Kra_i_u.
- Tito je glavni krivac za smrt nekoliko stotina 
biskupa, sve_enika, redovnika, redovnica i 
bogoslova. Istovremeno, Tito je glavni krivac za 
nekoliko tisu_a montiranih politi_kih procesa u 
staljinisti_kom stilu, uslijed i nakon kojih su 
tisu_e nevinih ljudi zavr_ile na dugogodi_nje 
robije, gdje su na zvjerski na_in mu_eni i 
_ikanirani.
- Tito je dao poslije rezolucije Informbiroa 
1948., uz asistenciju Staljinovog agenta NKVD, 
Ivana Kraja_i_a Steve, likvidirati oko 30 tisu_a 
(30 000) jugoslavenskih komunista , pod optu_bom 
da su "staljinisti", iako je i sam od tridesetih 
godina Dvadesetog stolje_a bio vjerni Staljinov 
agent na Balkanu.
- Tito je dao krajem _etrdesetih godina u 
beogradskom zloglasnom zatvoru ubiti ratnog 
sekretara Komunisti_ke partije Hrvatske Andriju 
Hebranga, a njegovu suprugu, g_u. Olgu Hebrang na 
montiranom politi_kom procesu osudio na 
dugogodi_nju robiju, iako je bila majka troje 
maloljetne djece.
- Tito je izme_u 1945. i 1966., uz asistenciju 
svoga krvnika-egzekutora, _efa tajne i politi_ke 
policije Udbe, Aleksandra Rankovi_a, etni_ki 
o_istio oko 300 tisu_a (300 000) kosovskih 
Albanaca te ih protjerao u Albaniju i Tursku (u 
samom Istanbulu danas _ivi preko 200 tisu_a tih 
albanskih prognanika iz pedesetih i _ezdesetih 
godina).
- Tito je dao nasilno ugu_iti tzv. Hrvatsko 
prolje_e, nakon _ega je putem montiranih 
politi_kih procesa dao utamni_iti cvijet hrvatske 
inteligencije i mladosti.
- Tito je bio protivnik demokracije, ljudskih 
prava, gra_anskog dru_tva, politi_kih, vjerskih i 
gra_anskih sloboda.
Sve navedeno tek je kratki presjek "zasluga" Josipa Broza Tita.
Josip Broz Tito bio je diktator i tiranin! Tito 
se po svojim namjerno u_injenim zlo_inima po 
ni_emu ne razlikuje od ratnog zlo_inca Adolfa 
Hitlera ili Josifa Visarionovi_a Staljina, a 
njegova Ozna i Udba od Gestapoa. Tzv. KNOJ, koji 
je izvr_itelj likvidacija zarobljenih hrvatskih 
vojnika i civila nije bio ni_ta drugo nego 
Hitlerov Waffen SS ili Staljinov NKVD. Staljinove 
likvidacije 14 tisu_a do_asnika i _asnika poljske 
vojske u Katynskoj _umi 1940. _ine tek djeli_ 
lihvidiranih hrvatskih vojnika, do_asnika, 
_asnika i civila koje je Tito dao ubiti u 
Bleiburgu i na Kri_nom putu.

TITO JE TIJEKOM _ITAVE SVOJE DESPOTSKE VLADAVINE 
BRUTALNO UBIJAO, MU_IO, ZATVARAO I PLJA_KAO 
NEDU_NE LJUDE. NJEGOVO JE IME DRUGO IME ZA 
ZLO_IN, NASILJE I PATNU!

Civilizacijska je sramota i pljuska u lice svim 
neprebrojivim _rtvama njegova zlo_ina_koga 
re_ima, da jedan od najljep_ih zagreba_kih trgova 
nosi ime po ovom vi_estruko dokazanom despotu, 
krvoloku i tiraninu. Taj Trg se _ak ne zove "Trg 
Josipa Broza Tita", nego "Trg mar_ala Tita", _ime 
su jugo-komunisti_ki vlastodr_ci htjeli posebno 
naglasiti njegovo neupitno vodstvo svoje partije 
i diktature.

Komunizam je jedna od triju velikih totalitarnih 
ideologija koje su u pro_lom stolje_u opusto_ile 
_ovje_anstvo. Poput fa_izma i nacizma, i 
komunizam je od po_etka do kraja natopljen 
nedu_nom ljudskom krvlju. Brojke govore da su 
fa_izam i nacizam zajedno progutali preko 40 
milijuna (40 000 000) ljudi, dok se komunizmu 
pripisuje preko 100 milijuna (100 000 000) _rtava.
Josip Broz Tito punih je 35 godina bio 
nedodirljivi gospodar milijuna ljudskih sudbina i 
glavni korifej svih zlo_ina u biv_oj Jugoslaviji.
Pa ipak, u slobodnoj, samostalnoj i tobo_e 
demokratskoj Hrvatskoj, njegov kult _ivi i dalje. 
Za razliku od Nacionala, koji ga je u sije_nju 
o.g. proglasio "najve_im Hrvatom", Washington 
Times u kolovozu 1998. o vo_i jugoslavenskih 
komunista pi_e kako se u slu_aju Josipa Broza 
Tita radilo o "jugoslavenskom diktatoru i 
tiraninu", dok ga je njema_ki Bild pro_le godine 
svrstao na 7. mjesto najve_ih tiranina i masovnih 
ubojica u povijesti _ovje_anstva - pripisuju_i mu 
MILIJUN (1 000 000) _rtava.


Imaju_i u vidu sve gore navedeno, slobodni smo 
Vas zamoliti da nam odgovorite na nekoliko 
sljede_ih pitanja:

1.) Do kada _ete _utjeti pred spoznajom da se 
kult najve_eg krvnika u povijesti Hrvatske _tuje 
i dan danas?
2.) Do kada _ete toleritrati da jedan od 
najljep_ih zagreba_kih trgova nosi ime po ovom 
nedvojbenom i vi_estruko dokazanom zlo_incu?
3.) Kakvu poruku upu_ujete novim generacijama, 
_uvaju_i uspomenu na ovoga despota i tiranina?

Molimo da nam Va_e odgovore dostavite u pisanom 
obliku na na_u adresu, nazna_enu u zaglavlju 
ovoga pisma, kako bismo ih mogli prenijeti 
hrvatskoj javnosti. U suprotnom, Va_u _utnju 
smatrat _emo pre_utnom podporom neprekinutoga 
kulta ovog despota i tiranina.

Unaprijed se zahvaljujemo na Va_em trudu!





U Zagrebu, 25. svibnja 2004.



Uz du_no po_tovanje,

Glavni urednik:

Vinko Kalini_
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From a2h at gmx.ch  Sun May 30 12:57:24 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 12:57:24 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: -?-
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>I have seen Keiko Suzuki recently in Novi Sad. She's fine.
>
thanks anna
a+


From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 14:06:29 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:06:29 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a plunder!"
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But it is dreadful that! How we are going to make out of this bad blood of
neoliberalism which is only opening to the Americans the access to the
European heritage and renting fundations, to muzzle us better at the
appropriate moment?

Any guarded proportion: the adjoining building from my home, in Paris, the
big building holded by anscient France Telecom, concern a center of
residences in one of hundred of persons, on one hand, an office block which
was a formercenter of payment and management, and a big car park, more a
garden - naturally, that where all the dogs of the district turn darker as
soon as they put a pate outside;-) was sold this year spent in a box of
pension fund American!

For us, it is the pure and simple theft of the land and renting heritage
established on the ancient post office solidarity, books of savings,
taxpayer, peoples taxed during a century more to establish a public heritage
to the service or the profit of the common, now settled in the Americans,
which extort money at present from all the French and German public land and
land tax!

And maintaining Telecom pays a rent to the new owner while we pursue to be
taxed by this former public company become private but always with its
monopolistic privileges!

It is disgusting; Japanese and Arabic buying the heritage deprived of
companies in Champs Elysées, it was funny!
Now that the Americans impoverished Japan in two monetary devaluations, and
money of the pension fund which they stole them is of use for buying Europe
by USA officila gangs of WTO, of the International Monetary Fund and of the
World Bank more any others..

In Argentina it was the oil (sold by the junta to the Americans, the loss of
the oil been lacking now cruelly to the hope of an economic stimulus, and
the gas (the gas it and a Spanish lobbie of Aznar, company which now refuses
to Argentina the production of more gas in winter (it is begenning now,
there), because it is not rather profitable: the Argentine State has of to
put a program of limitation for the custom of the gas this winter!) Bad
blood, we see well who benefits WTO, it was not only the mastery of the
farm-produce industry by proteins of replacement and but also the cereal
market, it was to make the bag of all the wealth of the peoples in the
world!

Now that Europe of the subdued synarchy and the intervention inspects
economically rebel Germany and France, exhausting them, they are the poeple
who are going to lose the resources until the gravest crises (they announce)
without possibility of returnment of energy of singular repespective
solutions, locally..

The European gouvernenements disposes of Europe to reunite in an European
rule (it is the price of a bad idea, a no politics land and an economist
vision of Europe of the French socialists floowing Mitterrand himself) and
mop their debt when the country the most got into debt by the world buys its
otherness with the money which it stole thanks to the strategies of the
supranational organizations.... And lives Euro and lives the beautiful Euro!

The actuel boss of the European Bank is teh former President of Banque de
France, a french complice of the thief collusive in Crédit Lyonnais
following orders from former Socialist government in eighties and the
begining of nineties, and many other things still, for which Charasse being
always alive, all the contrary Beregovoy was urged to commit suicide gun put
beforehand on the dashboard by the bodyguard - as they say - left to make a
tour for ten minutes to keep silent, being a convinced republican it was not
reliable.. Same time, The World Bank meets itself steered among others by a
former Minister of at once recycled Aznar - one needs say no more!

But really needs there not to vote to the European elections or stay at
home, when you see on the other hand that the only alternative criticizes
being born it is the grotesque revisionism of a new Eurocommunism concocted
among others by Italian helped by French!!!? no imagination, no capacity in
criticism theory to reborn inanother way that past failure ?

The return of the nationalism is clear: it is exclusively American, that of
Patiot act allied to the supranational synarchistic organizations to absorb
the world and reduce it; we lack up to the local political capacity of
original retort (replica?) to be reborn with the guile, because instead of
making Europe of the diversity and the multitude, by federated example, we
wanted that it is exclusively united, as a dream of the largerst community,
as the change, among which some only pay the prize for all the others and
another part by being in any case extransverse valley!!! And without elected
executive... A madness prédicitive universe!!!

That last of the French nuclear electricity which bets on the biggest
concentration of nuclear power stations to the world on a however small
territory is it France, for imagine that she is going to become the producer
of electricity for Europe (and to sell more the whole in capitalized it (and
to sell more the whole to the capitalization): irreversible theft and next
tragedy, followed by an irréversivble devastate local... Great Phenix
nuclear center, yes probably we shall not cut there, (is-it to replace part
of the already cracked power plants?)

"Chirac the machine" has imagined himself that the electricity of the French
nuclear power would be the oil equivalence of Europe, after Giscard it is
imagined that it) would replace the oil.. in seventies. And all this
guaranteed by the committee of ethics, whose personnaly a Nobel prize of
Physics submitted to the synarchy alliance, and thus go drive on the people
who dies already more than everywhere in Europe of cancer (low frequencies,
nuclear power, dioxins and stress under the pressure of organizations today
private but always monopolistic, and the Press for 80 % between hold by the
two traders of weapon holding more : all the water resource in France.

What can we do - but cetainly we can, there is a hope on the butterfly
flight in Chaos theory? How to be a butterfly in thes dark days of
occidental History in all the world ?


Sorry of my bad english.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matze Schmidt" <matze.schmidt at n0name.de>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: [syndicate] radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a
plunder!"


> (german version below)
>
>  +
>  O
> /|\
> /\ radi0.tv
> live! from Berlin-Kreuzberg, Germany
> Wd., 02.06.2004, 22:00-24:00 h. "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70,
> privatisation is a plunder!". (dt.)
> Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm
>
> The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
> Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
> society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
> here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
> Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
> Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
> (inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
> (The radioshow will be in german)
>
>
>
> radi0.tv
> live! aus Berlin-Kreuzberg
> Mi., 02.06.2004, 20:00-21:00 Uhr. "Hallo Manteuffelstr. 70,
> Privatisierung ist Pluenderung!". (dt.)
> Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm
>
> Der Berliner SPD/PDS-Senat hat beschlossen, die
> Wohnungsbaugesellschaft GSW mit ueber 65.000 Wohnungen - und damit
> auch DIESES Haus hier! - an das Banken- und Immobilienkonsortium
> "Cerberus" aus den USA zu verkaufen. Mit den Mietern hier im Haus,
> Joachim Oellerich vom Berliner MieterGemeinschaft e.V. und
> Vertreterinnen der Betroffenengemeinschaft Walde-Kiez (angefragt)
> wollen wir uns informieren und Perspektiven besprechen.
>
> Berliner MieterGemeinschaft e.V.
> http://www.bmgev.de
> Privatisierungsorgie in Berlin
> http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/05-27/014.php
> jW-Interview mit Joachim Oellerich (Berliner MieterGemeinschaft
> e.V.)
> http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/05-27/017.php
> Betroffenengemeinschaft Walde-Kiez
> http://www.waldekiez.org
>
> Contact: radio-at-n0name.de [n0name with a 0 (in words "zero")!],
> www.radi0.tv
>
> Capitalism is in the house!
>
>


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 30 13:56:32 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 13:56:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405301156.i4UBuWZ16589@www.god-emil.dk>





© blipd

>>> oh, if only an os X version. woe.
>>
>>
>> more smiles. HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH STUPID MOTHER FUCKERZ !!
>>
>> why would I waste my life on the MOTHER FUCKERZ that support Cycling74 
>> CRIMINAL MOTHER FUCKERZ
>
>for a long time I waited, but you never met me there.


as part ov the debate on the evolution of applied industrial design
the shaker. the ice bucket and !!!!!ssssssszzzzz tongz were 
displayed at the 242nd kabul triennale.

for the 1st time there appeared the means for blending 
artistic freedom with ideaS destined to bond.
the terrorist with the infidel.


>>> what did you expect from SFO?
>>
>> in kind. unlike you I wont see nor hear a FUCKING thing about them nor 
>> you in a few days
>> dar daca ne intilnim o sa se duca la dracu++
>
>always so full of mystery...


M-ai rugat sa nu vorbesc cu nimeni.... Ceea ce mi-ai daruit este al meu si va ramine cu mine. 

o soapta in vint,
o lacrima tremuratoare.

o privire, 
un cuvint,
sentimente[le ingenuncheaza] in noapte
inima ta are o gura ...
o sarut


pl oooo Ff









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 30 14:09:35 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:09:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405301209.i4UC9ZG16610@www.god-emil.dk>



>How to be a butterfly in thes dark days of
>occidental History in all the world ?
>
>
>Sorry of my bad english.


Quite clearly by speaking in English badly with a rektanglr accent + a splash of tangerine






>> The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
>> Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
>> society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
>> here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
>> Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
>> Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
>> (inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
>> (The radioshow will be in german)


mda. I was starting to feel less than xy owing to obese jankee MOTHER FUCKERS
sucking up the ost.europa peisaj and the more fleshy ost.europa peisaj
then I noticed the obese jankee MOTHER FUCKERS werent all jankees
en fakt quite a few fat MOTHER FUCKERS were krautz


hatred - keeping cultural diversity alive since time immemorial









"Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>

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>But it is dreadful that! How we are going to make out of this bad blood of
>neoliberalism which is only opening to the Americans the access to the
>European heritage and renting fundations, to muzzle us better at the
>appropriate moment?




At least the MOTHER FUCKERZ did make a purchase ... rather than outright thievery






>Any guarded proportion: the adjoining building from my home, in Paris, the
>big building holded by anscient France Telecom, concern a center of
>residences in one of hundred of persons, on one hand, an office block which
>was a formercenter of payment and management, and a big car park, more a
>garden - naturally, that where all the dogs of the district turn darker as
>soon as they put a pate outside;-) was sold this year spent in a box of
>pension fund American!
>
>For us, it is the pure and simple theft of the land and renting heritage
>established on the ancient post office solidarity, books of savings,
>taxpayer, peoples taxed during a century more to establish a public heritage
>to the service or the profit of the common, now settled in the Americans,
>which extort money at present from all the French and German public land and
>land tax!
>
>And maintaining Telecom pays a rent to the new owner while we pursue to be
>taxed by this former public company become private but always with its
>monopolistic privileges!
>
>It is disgusting; Japanese and Arabic buying the heritage deprived of
>companies in Champs Elys<E9>es, it was funny!
>Now that the Americans impoverished Japan in two monetary devaluations, and
>money of the pension fund which they stole them is of use for buying Europe
>by USA officila gangs of WTO, of the International Monetary Fund and of the
>World Bank more any others..
>
>In Argentina it was the oil (sold by the junta to the Americans, the loss of
>the oil been lacking now cruelly to the hope of an economic stimulus, and
>the gas (the gas it and a Spanish lobbie of Aznar, company which now refuses
>to Argentina the production of more gas in winter (it is begenning now,
>there), because it is not rather profitable: the Argentine State has of to
>put a program of limitation for the custom of the gas this winter!) Bad
>blood, we see well who benefits WTO, it was not only the mastery of the
>farm-produce industry by proteins of replacement and but also the cereal
>market, it was to make the bag of all the wealth of the peoples in the
>world!
>
>Now that Europe of the subdued synarchy and the intervention inspects
>economically rebel Germany and France, exhausting them, they are the poeple
>who are going to lose the resources until the gravest crises (they announce)
>without possibility of returnment of energy of singular repespective
>solutions, locally..
>
>The European gouvernenements disposes of Europe to reunite in an European
>rule (it is the price of a bad idea, a no politics land and an economist
>vision of Europe of the French socialists floowing Mitterrand himself) and
>mop their debt when the country the most got into debt by the world buys its
>otherness with the money which it stole thanks to the strategies of the
>supranational organizations.... And lives Euro and lives the beautiful Euro!
>
>The actuel boss of the European Bank is teh former President of Banque de
>France, a french complice of the thief collusive in Cr<E9>dit Lyonnais
>following orders from former Socialist government in eighties and the
>begining of nineties, and many other things still, for which Charasse being
>always alive, all the contrary Beregovoy was urged to commit suicide gun put
>beforehand on the dashboard by the bodyguard - as they say - left to make a
>tour for ten minutes to keep silent, being a convinced republican it was not
>reliable.. Same time, The World Bank meets itself steered among others by a
>former Minister of at once recycled Aznar - one needs say no more!
>
>But really needs there not to vote to the European elections or stay at
>home, when you see on the other hand that the only alternative criticizes
>being born it is the grotesque revisionism of a new Eurocommunism concocted
>among others by Italian helped by French!!!? no imagination, no capacity in
>criticism theory to reborn inanother way that past failure ?
>
>The return of the nationalism is clear: it is exclusively American, that of
>Patiot act allied to the supranational synarchistic organizations to absorb
>the world and reduce it; we lack up to the local political capacity of
>original retort (replica?) to be reborn with the guile, because instead of
>making Europe of the diversity and the multitude, by federated example, we
>wanted that it is exclusively united, as a dream of the largerst community,
>as the change, among which some only pay the prize for all the others and
>another part by being in any case extransverse valley!!! And without elected
>executive... A madness pr<E9>dicitive universe!!!
>
>That last of the French nuclear electricity which bets on the biggest
>concentration of nuclear power stations to the world on a however small
>territory is it France, for imagine that she is going to become the producer
>of electricity for Europe (and to sell more the whole in capitalized it (and
>to sell more the whole to the capitalization): irreversible theft and next
>tragedy, followed by an irr<E9>versivble devastate local... Great Phenix
>nuclear center, yes probably we shall not cut there, (is-it to replace part
>of the already cracked power plants?)
>
>"Chirac the machine" has imagined himself that the electricity of the French
>nuclear power would be the oil equivalence of Europe, after Giscard it is
>imagined that it) would replace the oil.. in seventies. And all this
>guaranteed by the committee of ethics, whose personnaly a Nobel prize of
>Physics submitted to the synarchy alliance, and thus go drive on the people
>who dies already more than everywhere in Europe of cancer (low frequencies,
>nuclear power, dioxins and stress under the pressure of organizations today
>private but always monopolistic, and the Press for 80 % between hold by the
>two traders of weapon holding more : all the water resource in France.
>
>What can we do - but cetainly we can, there is a hope on the butterfly
>flight in Chaos theory? How to be a butterfly in thes dark days of
>occidental History in all the world ?
>
>
>Sorry of my bad english.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Matze Schmidt" <matze.schmidt at n0name.de>
>To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:56 AM
>Subject: [syndicate] radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a
>plunder!"
>
>
>> (german version below)
>>
>>  +
>>  O
>> /|\
>> /\ radi0.tv
>> live! from Berlin-Kreuzberg, Germany
>> Wd., 02.06.2004, 22:00-24:00 h. "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70,
>> privatisation is a plunder!". (dt.)
>> Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm
>>
>> The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
>> Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
>> society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
>> here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
>> Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
>> Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
>> (inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
>> (The radioshow will be in german)














From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 15:35:49 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 15:35:49 +0200
Subject: to follow
Message-ID: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

DAMNED !

In a hurry : crazy !!! Its run to much faster now . I cannot have time to
translate it, sorry, but looking at this link you probably try to get it
clear by your own.. The link is coming right now from another list; a
subscriber has froward it to me.

(note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more a
lot of years ;-))

http://www.legrandsoir.info/article.php3?id_article=1549


Have a good sunday !







From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 30 16:48:21 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:48:21 -0400
Subject: Tito's lost world <- an opposite view !
In-Reply-To: <a0610050abcdeb7b6f3ff@[217.162.155.30]>
References: <40B89047.4048.3C217A7E@localhost>
Message-ID: <40B9BBF5.20661.43BAE9F@localhost>

it is interesting that in the long list of Tito's crimes Hrvatska 
Stranka Prava (croatian party of justice?) completely skipped equally 
horrendous post-war arbitrary executions of Tito's Serb enemies - 
including the chetnik leader Draza Mihajlovic - maybe hsp agrees with 
THAT Tito's decision? but it is not fair to leave it out. otherwise, 
this is all true. there is no doubt that he was a dictator. his cult 
survived due to a couple of circumstantial events:
a) he died a decade before communism and Yugoslavia disappeared, so 
he avoided the direct blame for the tragic events that followed - 
although the cause could be pin-pointed to the ill-composed 1974 
constitution (that encourages ethnic over political differentiation) 
which was still passed under his rule and with his approval. he 
suddenly looked a much better leader compared to the clowns that lead 
yu peoples in 1980s and 1990s.
b) the 'red terror' in yu lasted less than in other communist 
tyrannies. as early as mid-fifties private ownership of land, houses 
and small business was allowed. country opened its borders in mid 
sixties and curtailed the powers of its political police. by early 
seventies yugoslavia had living standards of eu countries, and except 
for a minority of political idealists, people were generally 
satisfied with quality of life. tito still ruled the country with 
iron fist - but he carefully designed the velvet glove over it: 
political enemies faced loss of jobs and house arrests, rather than 
execution and torture - so the generations that came of age since mid-
sixties believe tito was all right - at least the majority, and they 
today hold power in all post-yu societies. the resulting complacency 
made pro-democracy movements unpopular and ridiculed - preventing the 
country's transformation to political democracy in time to prevent 
its collapse into inter-ethnic warfare.
c) the economy really soured after his death, so again he avoided the 
blame, although it could clearly be pointed to his uncritical loan 
tking in the West during cold war cashing in on yu geo-political 
location - which became irrelevant after his death, with cold war 
over and yu heavily indebted with nothing to show for the money but 
failed giant factories.

unfortunately, hsp doesn't provide this in-dept analysis of how 
tito's rule de facto lead to the current situation, something that 
sure needs to be once objectively talked about in order to dispell 
the myth of the great marshall.

ivo

On 30 May 2004 at 0:00, Davor Pavuna wrote:

>24 years since he died, Tito's legacy is still strong among peoples
>of former Yugoslavia - actually it is stronger now than it was
>immediately following his death.  ivo From: www.iwpr.net  : 
>NOSTALGIA GROWS FOR TITO'S LOST WORLD


Well, let me contrast it with a totally  opposite (yet valid) view:


  Hrvatska smotra
Hrvatsko prava”ko glasilo

Frankopanska 2/II 10 000 Zagreb  -  Brzoglas / brzovid: (01)  48 48
083  E-mail: hrvatska-smotra at net.hr _iro-ra_un: Hrvatska _ista 
stranka
prava, Zagreb 2340009-1110039903 - Privredna banka Zagreb




Na ruke:

PREDSJEDNIK REPUBLIKE HRVATSKE
Stjepan MESI_
Pantov_ak 241
10 000 Zagreb

HRVATSKI SABOR
predsjednik
Vladimir _EKS
Trg sv. Marka 6
10 000 Zagreb

HRVATSKA VLADA
  predsjednik
Ivo SANADER
Trg sv. Marka 2
10 000 Zagreb

GRAD ZAGREB
  gradona_elnica
Vlasta PAVI_
Trg Stjepana Radi_a 1
10 000 Zagreb




Po_tovani,


Svi generalni sekretari komunist_kih partija u 
biv_im socijalisti_kim zemljama Isto_ne Europe 
(Lenjin, Staljin, Enver Hod_a, Dimitrov, 
Ceausecu, Honecker i Ulbricht, GottwaldŠ), padom 
komunisti_kih diktatura i uspostavom demokratskih 
poredaka, izgubili su svoja imena ulica, trgova, 
avenija i gradova. Jedini izuzetak predstavlja 
generalni sekretar Komunisti_ke partije 
Jugoslavije Josip Broz Tito, po _ijem se imenu (i 
dan) danas u glavnom gradu Hrvatske, u Zagrebu, 
naziva jedan od najljep_ih trgova, _to u svakom 
slu_aju predstavlja civilizacijsku sramotu i 
uvredu miljunima _ivu_uh i umrlih _rtava njegove 
krvave diktature.

Iako je vo_a KPJ Josip Broz Tito bio od 1944. 
formalno  od zapadnih saveznika tijekom Drugog 
svjetskog rata, u zamjenu velikosrpske vlade u 
Londonu i njenoga fa_isti_koga ministra (_etnika) 
Dra_e Mihajlovi_a, priznat kao predstavnik 
antifa_isti_ke koalicije otpora na podru_ju biv_e 
Kraljevine Jugoslavije i tada_nje Nezavisne 
Dr_ave Hrvatske u borbi protiv okupaijskih 
oru_anih snaga fa_isti_ke Italije i nacisti_ke 
Njema_ke, Tito je svojim djelima pokazao ne samo 
da nije bio istinski "antifa_ist", ve_ da je bio 
okrutni komunisti_ki diktator.

- Tito snosi glavnu krivnju za likvidaciju 
najmanje 50 tisu_a (50 000) zarobljenih vojnika i 
civila biv_e Nezavisne Dr_ave Hrvatske (po 
izvorima jugoslavenske marksisti_ke 
historiografije, a oko 200 tisu_a (200 000) po 
objektivnim izvorima me_unarodne historiografije 
demokratskoga Zapada), i to u razdoblju poslije 
zavr_etka Drugoga svjetskoga rata, od 15. svibnja 
1945. do srpnja iste godine.
- U mar_evima smrti, na Kri_nom putu, po nalogu i 
pod vodstvom Josipa Broza Tita maltretirano je, 
mu_eno i ubijeno vi_e stotina tisu_a ljudi. 
Zarobljeni vojnici i civili zavr_avali su u 
sabirnim logorima i logorima smrti, iako je po 
me_unarodnoj _enevskoj konvenciji o ratnom pravu 
zabranjeno civile dr_ati kao ratne zarobljenike.
- Tito je dao likvidirati desetke tisu_a ljudi 
odmah nakon tzv. oslobo_enja u gradu Zagrebu (od 
8. svibnja na dalje), te je putem zlo_ina_ke 
organizacije Ozne vr_io _i__enja ideolo_ki 
nepodobnih, nevinih ljudi. Mnoge Zagrep_anke i 
Zagrep_ani likvidirani su metkom u potiljak i/ili 
zaklani te ba_eni u jamu Jazovka na _umbera_kom 
gorju i u druge jame u okolici Zagreba, a me_u 
njima i nekoliko tisu_a ranjenika i bolesnika 
odvedenih iz zagreba_kih bolnica. Isti stravi_ni 
zlo_ini izvr_eni su diljem cijele Hrvatske, od 
Dubrovnika (poznato strati_te oto_i_ Daksa) do 
Jasenovca (koji je zatvoren tek 1947. ili 1948. 
godine).
- Tito je glavni krivac za sramotni montirani 
politi_ki proces blagopokojnom kardinalu i 
mu_eniku Alojziju Stepincu, kao i za njegovo 
sustavno i podmuklo trovanje do nasilne smrti u 
jugoslavenoskom zatvoru-kazamatu  Lepoglava i 
progonstvu (ku_nom pritvoru) u njegovu rodnom 
Kra_i_u.
- Tito je glavni krivac za smrt nekoliko stotina 
biskupa, sve_enika, redovnika, redovnica i 
bogoslova. Istovremeno, Tito je glavni krivac za 
nekoliko tisu_a montiranih politi_kih procesa u 
staljinisti_kom stilu, uslijed i nakon kojih su 
tisu_e nevinih ljudi zavr_ile na dugogodi_nje 
robije, gdje su na zvjerski na_in mu_eni i 
_ikanirani.
- Tito je dao poslije rezolucije Informbiroa 
1948., uz asistenciju Staljinovog agenta NKVD, 
Ivana Kraja_i_a Steve, likvidirati oko 30 tisu_a 
(30 000) jugoslavenskih komunista , pod optu_bom 
da su "staljinisti", iako je i sam od tridesetih 
godina Dvadesetog stolje_a bio vjerni Staljinov 
agent na Balkanu.
- Tito je dao krajem _etrdesetih godina u 
beogradskom zloglasnom zatvoru ubiti ratnog 
sekretara Komunisti_ke partije Hrvatske Andriju 
Hebranga, a njegovu suprugu, g_u. Olgu Hebrang na 
montiranom politi_kom procesu osudio na 
dugogodi_nju robiju, iako je bila majka troje 
maloljetne djece.
- Tito je izme_u 1945. i 1966., uz asistenciju 
svoga krvnika-egzekutora, _efa tajne i politi_ke 
policije Udbe, Aleksandra Rankovi_a, etni_ki 
o_istio oko 300 tisu_a (300 000) kosovskih 
Albanaca te ih protjerao u Albaniju i Tursku (u 
samom Istanbulu danas _ivi preko 200 tisu_a tih 
albanskih prognanika iz pedesetih i _ezdesetih 
godina).
- Tito je dao nasilno ugu_iti tzv. Hrvatsko 
prolje_e, nakon _ega je putem montiranih 
politi_kih procesa dao utamni_iti cvijet hrvatske 
inteligencije i mladosti.
- Tito je bio protivnik demokracije, ljudskih 
prava, gra_anskog dru_tva, politi_kih, vjerskih i 
gra_anskih sloboda.
Sve navedeno tek je kratki presjek "zasluga" Josipa Broza Tita.
Josip Broz Tito bio je diktator i tiranin! Tito 
se po svojim namjerno u_injenim zlo_inima po 
ni_emu ne razlikuje od ratnog zlo_inca Adolfa 
Hitlera ili Josifa Visarionovi_a Staljina, a 
njegova Ozna i Udba od Gestapoa. Tzv. KNOJ, koji 
je izvr_itelj likvidacija zarobljenih hrvatskih 
vojnika i civila nije bio ni_ta drugo nego 
Hitlerov Waffen SS ili Staljinov NKVD. Staljinove 
likvidacije 14 tisu_a do_asnika i _asnika poljske 
vojske u Katynskoj _umi 1940. _ine tek djeli_ 
lihvidiranih hrvatskih vojnika, do_asnika, 
_asnika i civila koje je Tito dao ubiti u 
Bleiburgu i na Kri_nom putu.

TITO JE TIJEKOM _ITAVE SVOJE DESPOTSKE VLADAVINE 
BRUTALNO UBIJAO, MU_IO, ZATVARAO I PLJA_KAO 
NEDU_NE LJUDE. NJEGOVO JE IME DRUGO IME ZA 
ZLO_IN, NASILJE I PATNU!

Civilizacijska je sramota i pljuska u lice svim 
neprebrojivim _rtvama njegova zlo_ina_koga 
re_ima, da jedan od najljep_ih zagreba_kih trgova 
nosi ime po ovom vi_estruko dokazanom despotu, 
krvoloku i tiraninu. Taj Trg se _ak ne zove "Trg 
Josipa Broza Tita", nego "Trg mar_ala Tita", _ime 
su jugo-komunisti_ki vlastodr_ci htjeli posebno 
naglasiti njegovo neupitno vodstvo svoje partije 
i diktature.

Komunizam je jedna od triju velikih totalitarnih 
ideologija koje su u pro_lom stolje_u opusto_ile 
_ovje_anstvo. Poput fa_izma i nacizma, i 
komunizam je od po_etka do kraja natopljen 
nedu_nom ljudskom krvlju. Brojke govore da su 
fa_izam i nacizam zajedno progutali preko 40 
milijuna (40 000 000) ljudi, dok se komunizmu 
pripisuje preko 100 milijuna (100 000 000) _rtava.
Josip Broz Tito punih je 35 godina bio 
nedodirljivi gospodar milijuna ljudskih sudbina i 
glavni korifej svih zlo_ina u biv_oj Jugoslaviji.
Pa ipak, u slobodnoj, samostalnoj i tobo_e 
demokratskoj Hrvatskoj, njegov kult _ivi i dalje. 
Za razliku od Nacionala, koji ga je u sije_nju 
o.g. proglasio "najve_im Hrvatom", Washington 
Times u kolovozu 1998. o vo_i jugoslavenskih 
komunista pi_e kako se u slu_aju Josipa Broza 
Tita radilo o "jugoslavenskom diktatoru i 
tiraninu", dok ga je njema_ki Bild pro_le godine 
svrstao na 7. mjesto najve_ih tiranina i masovnih 
ubojica u povijesti _ovje_anstva - pripisuju_i mu 
MILIJUN (1 000 000) _rtava.


Imaju_i u vidu sve gore navedeno, slobodni smo 
Vas zamoliti da nam odgovorite na nekoliko 
sljede_ih pitanja:

1.) Do kada _ete _utjeti pred spoznajom da se 
kult najve_eg krvnika u povijesti Hrvatske _tuje 
i dan danas?
2.) Do kada _ete toleritrati da jedan od 
najljep_ih zagreba_kih trgova nosi ime po ovom 
nedvojbenom i vi_estruko dokazanom zlo_incu?
3.) Kakvu poruku upu_ujete novim generacijama, 
_uvaju_i uspomenu na ovoga despota i tiranina?

Molimo da nam Va_e odgovore dostavite u pisanom 
obliku na na_u adresu, nazna_enu u zaglavlju 
ovoga pisma, kako bismo ih mogli prenijeti 
hrvatskoj javnosti. U suprotnom, Va_u _utnju 
smatrat _emo pre_utnom podporom neprekinutoga 
kulta ovog despota i tiranina.

Unaprijed se zahvaljujemo na Va_em trudu!





U Zagrebu, 25. svibnja 2004.



Uz du_no po_tovanje,

Glavni urednik:

Vinko Kalini_



From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Sun May 30 17:32:18 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 17:32:18 +0200
Subject: 
In-Reply-To: <200405301209.i4UC9ZG16610@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405301209.i4UC9ZG16610@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a06002026bcdfa7600e6b@[213.23.152.28]>

>
>>>  The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
>>>  Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
>>>  society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
>>>  here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
>>>  Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
>>>  Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
>>>  (inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
>>>  (The radioshow will be in german)
>
>
>mda. I was starting to feel less than xy owing to obese jankee MOTHER FUCKERS
>sucking up the ost.europa peisaj and the more fleshy ost.europa peisaj

hm ... GSW .. they have always been located in the Western part of the city and
as far as I am informed they own much more buildings in the Western part
of the city than in the Eastern part ..  ..

in any case the privatizations normally lead to a rise of rents
and a 'homogenization' of the population


>
>hatred - keeping cultural diversity alive since time immemorial
>


From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 30 17:35:20 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 11:35:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: u
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405301135130.710@panix3.panix.com>




route 666


there's no accounting for me - i'm dying just along for the ride towards
death - it's fast and furious - it's the ride towards death of a lifetime
- don't forget me - i'm dying disappearing - i'm dying in the rattling fog
the drowning rain the screaming thunder - you can see my face when the
lightning strikes - what i've witnessed - no human being should ever see -
should ever have to see - we're picking up speed - the road towards death
stretches to infinity - lights overhead - the great sloop disappears in
the distance - comes up behind me - passes - comes up behind me - never
mind - :back on the road towards death again - boat truck with boat -
schooner - should be scooner - they're leaving the city for good -
refugees - something's in the air - i've seen it all - i've been there and
back - i've been around the bend - trust me, there's nothing - but really
there's everything - experiences unlike anything anyone else has ever -
had or seen - or heard for that matter - all the senses - what a buildup -
but it's true every word of it - and then some - "your forest is blasphemy
unto the Loard" - what could this person have been thinking - "youre
riding the boat of truth and conversion" - should have been Truth maybe
Conversion - just there to the left of me - hundred hundred twenty
kilometers an hour - each of them dying named and accounted for -:i'm
dying on the road towards death - i'm dying invisible here - have to stop
to enter the wires - emissions no good no wifi nothing - no money for
satellites those things - just want you to know - what - i've seen wonders
- incredible things - you wouldn't believe - can't write about them dying
now - acts of altruism, murders - rapine and pillage - heroism dying to
the nth degree - higher - empathy and compassion - charities uncalled-for
- slow down to a crawl in the traffic - there's a six-wheeler ahead all
black with tinted windows - something going on in there - ::seal is 66 85
68 91 901 611 309 they say 3 9 380 on black stone

i'm dying on the road towards death - i'm dying invisible here - have to
stop to enter the wires - emissions no good no wifi nothing - no money for
satellites those things - just want you to know - what - i've seen wonders
- incredible things - you wouldn't believe - can't write about them dying
now - acts of altruism, murders - rapine and pillage - heroism dying to
the nth degree - higher - empathy and compassion - charities uncalled-for
- slow down to a crawl in the traffic - there's a six-wheeler ahead all
black with tinted windows - something going on in there - your there's no
accounting for me - i'm dying just along for the ride towards death - it's
fast and furious - it's the ride towards death of a lifetime - don't
forget me - i'm disappearing - i'm dying in the rattling fog the drowning
rain the screaming thunder - you can see my face when the lightning
strikes - what i've witnessed - no human being should ever see - should
ever have to see - we're picking up speed - the road towards death
stretches to infinity - lights overhead - the great sloop disappears in
the distance - comes up behind me - passes - comes up behind me - never
mind -


they say 3 9 380 on black stone
they say 3 9 380 on black stone


_


From fmadre at free.fr  Sun May 30 19:08:01 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:08:01 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530190713.02096ec0@pop.free.fr>

At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>DAMNED !

ah ah ah
pf

>(note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more a
>lot of years ;-))

I am pro-castrist
because you're not

f.



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 19:18:27 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:18:27 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
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Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a post, f
appears crowing crow crow crow

ffffffffffllllTTTT

he has gone

cat




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From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow


> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
> >DAMNED !
>
> ah ah ah
> pf
>
> >(note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more
a
> >lot of years ;-))
>
> I am pro-castrist
> because you're not
>
> f.
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Sun May 30 19:41:19 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:41:19 +0200
Subject: This Memorial Day avoid drunk drivers--413
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sound advice

f.



From ctgr at free.fr  Sun May 30 19:59:20 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:59:20 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>

encore un peu de thé ?
some more tea ?
moriarty ?
PINE ?

enfin,
c'est dimanche au printemps


Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit  
:

> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a  
> post, f
> appears crowing crow crow crow
>
> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>
> he has gone
>
> cat
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>
>
>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>>> DAMNED !
>>
>> ah ah ah
>> pf
>>
>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot  
>>> more
> a
>>> lot of years ;-))
>>
>> I am pro-castrist
>> because you're not
>>
>> f.
>>
>>
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From jkraljic at gwtlaw.com  Sun May 30 18:30:11 2004
From: jkraljic at gwtlaw.com (jkraljic at gwtlaw.com)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 12:30:11 -0400
Subject: Tito's lost world <- an opposite view !
Message-ID: <TFSACDAQ@gwtlaw.com>

Two points concerning what Ivo has written - first a minor one on the name HSP - it does not mean the Croatian Party of Justice but the Croatian Party of "State" Rights.  It takes its name from Ante Starcevic's party.  Starcevic used the name in the sense of "state rights," i.e., the rights the Croatian kingdom had vis a vis Hungary and Austria.

I have also seen an interpretation that the name derived from Starvevic's distinction between pseudo-Croats and "true" Croats (pravi Hrvati).  This did not mean a genetic/ethnic differentiation (Starcevic was half-Serb, after all), but a political differentiation to set apart his followers from those seeking to resolve Croatia's plight through cooperation with Hungarians, Austrians, Serbs, and others.

More importantly, I completely disagree with Ivo's equation of Mihailovic with the killing of innocent civilians.  Mihailovic was a member of the Yugolsav Government (Minister of the Army) and the titular head of the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland."  The evidence is overwhelming that people who claimed to be loyal to Mihailovic committed genocidal acts against innocent Croat and Muslims civilians while at the same time receiving the assistance and support of Italian troops.

Moreover, there is no question that Mihailovic stabbed Tito and the Partisans in the back at Uzice in Serbia in 1941.  We have this on the authority of Milovan Djilas himself, who would have had no particular reason to try to falsify what occurred at Uzice.  Djilas also has horrifying descriptions of what he saw in Foca after the Chetniks withdrew from that town.

Most English-language works that I have read concerning the question of Mihailovic concede that he knew what was going on.  Those who are apologetic for his acts sought to justify it by claiming that he could not exercise control over his troops.  That is questionable at best.

Mihailovic was a military man.  As such, his fate cannot be compared with civilians and lower ranking soldiers who were massacred by the thousands after the war by Tito.

One can certainly question whether in the conditions that existed in 1946 Mihailovic could have received a fair judicial trial.  I certainly concede that the court was a kangaroo court, no less than the courts used to judge the former officials of the NDH.  However, this does not shift the weight of historical evidence which is not in Mihailovic's favor.

Set forth below is an excerpt of a translation of an article by historian Zlatko Dizdar, "Italian Policies Toward Croatian Territories and Their Results During the Second World War" which originally appeared in Croatian in the work "Talijanksa uprava na Hrvatskom prostoru i egzodus Hrvata (1918-1943), Zagreb: Hrvatski institut za povijest, 2001.  The article includes a description of the work of the Chetniks in the coastal areas of Croatia during WWII which will hopefull further elucidate on this issue.

I note that the "Djujic" mentioned in this excerpt is Momcilo Djujic, who died in California several years ago.  NY Times reporter, David Binder, who openly admits his love for the Chetniks, wrote a glowing obituary of Djujic.  Apparently, the New York Times did not see "fit to print" anything concerning the crimes he had been accused of.  Just knowing that fact, and after reading this excerpt, should lead people to wonder how destructive Binder's influence was in coloring the perceptions of what was happening in the foremer Yugoslavia in the early 1990s.

John Kraljic

***********************

	"The first contacts between Italian commanders and leaders of Chetnik forces began as a result of the uprising and revolt during July and August 1941.  After the outbreak of the uprising, the Italians allowed as early as September 1941 Chetnik military forces (starting with units, then regiments, and toward the end of 1941, brigades) to be organized under their wing in the area of their occupational zone in the NDH.  Consisting of Greater Serbian nationalists, these forces were to be used to battle against the Partisans.  The actions of the Chetniks, along with the support of the Italian occupier, led to the shattering of the uprising in certain parts of Dalmatia and southern Lika and afterwards in parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

By the end of 1941, Italian commanders established contacts with the most important Chetnik leaders in those areas of the NDH that had been reoccupied by Italian forces (S. Radjenovi?, M. Djuji?, I. Trifunovi?, D. Jevdjevic, B. Todorovi?).  The Italians brought them under their influence and control and included them in the common "fight against Communism."  On the basis of a series of agreements, the increased growth of the organization and strengthening of and union with Chetnik forces in the entire Italian occupied area in the NDH continued.  The support provided by the Italians, including necessary supplies, will be used in the "cleansing" of the non-Serb population, especially Croats and Muslims in these areas.

We find the programmatic bases of the Chetnik movement in a series of documents of Chetnik leaders and ideologues from that time.  It is suffient to mention the project of Stevan Moljevi?, "Homogenous Serbia," dated 30 June 1941, the Instructions of General Draza Mihailovi? of 20 December 1941, and the "Survey of the Chetnik Dinaric Division" from March 1942.  They all had the same programmatic goal: the creation of a so-called Greater Serbia at the expense of the historical and national territories of the Croatian and Muslim peoples (as well as certain others), and the establishment of a direct common border between Serbia-Montenegro and Slovenia.  They tied these goals with the cleansing of these areas of their "Muslim and Catholic population" because only Serbs could live in such a Serbia.  According the Draza's program, more than 90% of the NDH's territory, in which more than 2.5 million Catholics and over 800,000 Muslims lived(making up around 70% of the inhabitants, with Serbs making up close to 30% of the remaining population) would become part of such a Serbia.  All of these Croats and Muslims, together with certain other non-Serbs from these areas, had to be eliminated in keeping with Draza's Instructions.  That "cleansing" or more specifically "extermination" of the non-Serb population had to be carried out by Chetnik forces (something the Chetniks did everytime they had the chance to do so).  Thus the programmatic bases of the Chetnik movement in practice became the foundation for genocidal crimes executed by Chetnik forces against Croats and Muslims during the Second World War.

	The Italians bear a large part of the responsibility for these crimes.  One need only keep in mind eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina where, pursuant to an agreement, the Italians gradually surrendered their control of the area to the Chetniks.  Massive crimes involving the extinction of the Muslim and Croat population ensued (from Visegrad, through Gorazde, ?ajnica, Fo?a to Nevesinje).  The Chetniks killed several thousand, and thousands of others fled.

	The Chetnik leadership clearly knew the goals the Italians had in the region and they sought to exploit it to achieve their own plans.  In one report meant for Mihailovi?, Jevdjevi? discussed the tactic of cooperating with the Italian occupier and noted his contacts with representatives of the Italian military toward the end of 1941.  He claimed that ". . . Italy is terribly unhappy with the borders of the Croatian state and is ready, in accordance with their political traditions, to now incite the Serbs against the Croats. . . .  [if] their is a possibility of pulling out some advantage for the Serbian people from this game, we [must] accept it."

	The Italians planned that in the event of a victory of Fascist forces to favor the Serbs "in northern Dalmatia and western Bosnia and after the war to force a plebiscite in the area for its union with Italy." . . . . "[I]n the remainder of Bosnia and Herzegovina [they] wanted to unite the Serbs and Muslims and to have that majority, consisting of 80% of the population, seek some sort of autonomy for Bosnia under an Italian protectorate."  At the same time, the Italians had an alternative plan for the Montenegrin federalists of "attaching Herzegovina to a Greater Montenegro."  Jedjevi? noted that if the Italians "nevertheless lost the war, this policy of sympathy toward the Serbs might be able to lower their accountability at the peace conference."

	This tactical cooperation would lead to "saving [the Serbs] from Ustasha massacres," the takeover of arms and supply of food from the Italians, and the "establishment of a large half-liberated zone in which one could without interference carry out the political and military organization of the Serbian people."  As a result, Chetnik leaders in a number of instances roused "Italy to realize its pretensions and to occupy all of Bosnia, so that we would have greater room for our activities."  However, "the Germans quickly stopped every such attempt by the Italians, preventing Italian divisions from [crossing over] the demarcation line."

	For tactical reasons, Chetnik commanders attempted to include in their formations part of the pro-Serb oriented Muslims and pro-Yugoslav Croat population, but given their practice of committing genocide against Muslims and Croats they did not have any success.

	The new commander of the Italian Second Army, General Mario Roatta, who succeeded General Ambrosio, attempted though political discussions on the ground to turn the situation to Italy's favor with the support of the Chetniks.  He allowed for the formation of Chetnik forces on the basis of an agreement to legalize them and included them as the Militia voluntaria anticomunista (the Volunteer Anti-Communist Militia) within the Second Italian Army under the same conditions as Italian soldiers in the battle against the Communists and the Partisans.  In May 1942 the Italians had 8,000 to 9,000 Chetniks within the Second Italian Army and that number rose to around 15,000 by October 1942, and to about 20,000 in the first half of 1943.  Mihailovi? approved of this cooperation.  In this regard, General G. Zanussi noted that "the more we included Chetniks in our battles, the more the possibilities for the success of our troops increased while decreasing our exposure to losses.  Other than using them in battle against the rebels, the Chetniks worked in our favor as a counterweight in relation to the Ustasha and the Germans.  Having as our friend these enemies of our supposed friend - 10,000 to 15,000 men steeled in the difficulties and cunning of the savage Balkan wars - presented a pawn whose value could not be underestimated."

	All of these Chetnik forces had to be paid for by the NDH government and it had to continue to support them after the Zagreb agreement (19 June 1942) and the withdrawal of the Italians from the III and part of the II Zones and the surrender of civilian authority to the NDH.

	Under the protective guard of the Italians, the Chetniks carried out a series of crimes which they organized and planned in order to bring to life their goal of a "Greater Serbia."  Thus, from September to December 1942 the Chetniks massacred around 70 Croats, mostly women and children, in northern Dalmatia and southern Lika where the Italians held military and civilian control, which caused a refugee wave of Croats from these areas to other parts of the NDH.  During the course of the Italian military operation code-named "Albia" against the Partisans in the Biokovo Mountains, the Chetniks massacred, executed and burned around 160 Croats, including three priests, in the area of the county (Velika zupa) of Cetina alone.  Their commander, Petar Bacovic, reported on this "punishment expedition" to D. Mihailovi? on 5 September 1942 writing that his Chetniks killed more than "1,000 Ustashe" while they had "not one dead or wounded [man]."  He reported that onn the way from Ljubuski to Vrgorac they "skinned three Catholic priests," killed "all the males 15 years old and older," and "completely burned 17 villages," after which they went south of Makarska in song and with a Serbian flag "to the coast of our Adriatic where they planted our flag on the coast."

	Prior to this, the Chetniks in eastern Herzegovina, where they had taken over control (other than in the cities) in agreement with the Italians, killed several hundred Croats and Muslims from May to September 1942 after which the entire Croat and Muslim population on the left bank of the Neretva (around 30,000 people) fled to other areas of the NDH.

	During Italian military operations against the Partisans in the Prozor region in October 1942, the Chetniks first killed around 200 Croats and Muslims in the Mostar region, and then in the Prozor area killed, slaughtered and threw into water or pits 1,716 people (340 were Muslims and the rest Croat civilians).  On their return to the Konji? County, they killed around twenty Croats, plundering houses and villages many of which were burned.

	In an 23 October 1942 telegram Bacovic also reported to Draza Mihailovi?:  "During operations in Prozor more than 2,000 Sokaca [Catholics] and Muslims were slaughtered.  The soldiers returned with enthusiasm."

	Even though the Chetniks clearly considered all Croats and Muslims to be Ustasha and even though civilians numbered the only victims during these operations, neither the Italians nor their supreme commander reacted allowing the Chetniks to continue with their criminal genocide.

	At the beginning of October 1942 in the area of the Cetina County and under the direction and control of the Italians, "in supposed battle against the Partisans," Chetniks led by Vojvoda Mane Rokvi? killed and slaughtered around 200 Croats in the hinterland of Omis and set fire to many houses after plundering them.  As the Italians wrote: "Mostly older people, women and children who had absolutely no connections to the Partisans were slaughtered."  Thereafter the Chetniks of Vojvoda Mom?ilo Djuji? on 21 October 1942 in Bitelica, near Sinj, under Italian direction, killed 29 and in Otisica 6 Croats, having first burned 220 Croatian homes.  According to a report of General Berardia from Knin, the Chetniks in these actions "tortured and butchered every Catholic, and later most of the corpses were cut to pieces in the most brutal way."  All of them were civilians, but he did not react.  Djuji? immediately reported to Mihailovi? by telegram: "Moji su klali sreda!"

	At the end of January 1943, Dalmatian-Herzegovinian Chetniks from the area around Knin carried out actions, within the context of wider offensive activities of the Italian Army against the Partisans, toward the villages in the Vrlicka area, killing over 100 Croats and raping women and young girls, all under the slogan to "burn and butcher all that is Catholic."  At this time they nailed 68 year old Niko Blazevi? to a spit and cooked him until he died, while in Otavica, 86 year old Ilija Mestrovi?, the uncle of famous Croat sculptor Ivan Mestrovi?, was thrown alive into a burning house and was killed. By February 1, 1943, Draza Mihailovi? had received the report of these actions: "In Kijevo and Vrlika Bacovic executed 55 and in Maovaca and Otavica Djujic executed 48 Ustashe."  Thereafter on 3 and 4 February 1943, Herzegovinian Chetniks in the region of Imotski and its surrounding villages slaughtered and killed 32 Croats, plundering and destroying property, burning houses, and raping girls and women.  In all these actions, only Croat civilians fell, who for the Chetniks considered to be all Ustashe; not one Serb nor any village inhabited by Serbs came under attack.  These actions resulted in 3,000 Croat refugees fleeing to Sinj alone.

	In these actions the Italians usually transported the Chetniks to the place of operations and surrounded the settlements so as to prevent the inhabitants from fleeing.  They thereafter allowed the Chetniks to deal with the unarmed populace and divided the booty with them afterwards.

	It needs to be said that the Italians sought through their Second Army to exploit the Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina.  The Muslims found themselves in an ever more complicated and difficult position and exposed to genocide.  The Italians wanted to used the Muslims as a political tool to support their goal in occupying the Croatian coastline and the Herzegovinian hinterland and to establish a protectorate over Bosnia and Herzegovina.  Some, such as General Giuseppe Pieche, believed this to be a possible economic and military solution for Dalmatia, even though Italian forces had withdrawn from a substantial portion of the area.  As a result, they accepted the formation of a number of anti-Communist Muslim units (bands) under Italian oversight, following the visit to Rome of a Muslim autonomist delegation from Mostar in November 1942.  They viewed these units as a counterweight to the Chetniks, but also as a tool against the NDH.  After the Chetnik massacres, the Italians also had to allow part of the Croats in Dalmatia and Herzegovina (in the II Zone) to establish armed formations.  But, in practice the establishment of cooperation between Italians and Muslims in Bosnia and Herzegovina remained subordinate to Italian-Chetnik cooperation and as result did not became important either in number or in activities.

	The British government reacted in connection to the news of the above-mentioned Chetnik massacres (though more so as a result of their even more terrible massacres of Muslims, especially in eastern Bosnia and the neighboring areas of Sandzak, carried out from January to March 1943 under the oversight and command of Draza Mihailovi?).  These massacres had been made possible by the Italian turnover of their administration in these areas to the Chetniks and supplying them with arms, food and money, as well as by permitting them to be transported from Serbia and Montenegro.  On 1 May 1943 the British government informed Mihailovi? that the Chetnik leadership needed to "soften their position" toward the Muslims.  Soon after legendary French General Charles DeGaulle, the leader of the Free French movement, based on false information provided by Slobodan Jovanovi?'s exiled Yugoslav government, awarded medals D. Mihailovi?, Zaharija Ostoji? and a number of other Chetnik commanders who participated in the above mentioned actions and had been responsible for the greatest of massacres.  They took such awards as being an initiative to continue with such actions.

	It must be emphasized that the Chetniks without exception killed all antifascist Croats and Muslims, activists, soldiers and Partisans they captured.  For example, the Dinarska Chetnik Division alone from 25 May 1942 to 15 June 1942 in battles with the Partisans, counted "over 500 Partisan corpses, mostly Croats."  Somewhat later in 1942 in Rujista the Chetniks captured 23 Croat Partisans and executed them for which they received a 10,000 lira award from the Italians and which was the biggest initiative for the crime.

	The Chetniks victimized Serb antifascists as well, especially during the January-March 1943 offensive, in which the Chetniks participated as units of the MVAC, that is, as an integral part of Italian forces, in operations from the Gorski kotar, Lika and Kordun, and across northern Dalmatia and southwestern Bosnia to Herzegovina.

	Even to this day, all of the Chetnik victims, like all of the Ustasha victims, have yet to be identified, especially those resulting from combined actions under the operative and actual command of the commander of the Second Italian Army and his subordinate corps and division commanders in the area of the II and III Italian Occupation Zones in the NDH."
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 20:56:10 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 20:56:10 +0200
Subject: in English!
Message-ID: <001201c44677$c688c080$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Well, I got it ! the cherry on the cake at last (in English for you)

Cheers


http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/skul-and-bones.htm



From a2h at gmx.ch  Sun May 30 21:17:40 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:17:40 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <p05200f01bcdfe3a5faad@[80.218.209.229]>


>c'est dimanche au printemps

wuffwuff


From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 21:31:50 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:31:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1069.82.224.112.161.1085945510.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

yeah,

kucinich.us


> DAMNED !
>
> In a hurry : crazy !!! Its run to much faster now . I cannot have time to
> translate it, sorry, but looking at this link you probably try to get it
> clear by your own.. The link is coming right now from another list; a
> subscriber has froward it to me.
>
> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more a
> lot of years ;-))
>
> http://www.legrandsoir.info/article.php3?id_article=1549
>
>
> Have a good sunday !
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 21:38:25 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:38:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530190713.02096ec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
    <6.1.0.6.0.20040530190713.02096ec0@pop.free.fr>
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you prank paranoïac ;

i say port'nawouakk !

kisses ... astrëe.

> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>>DAMNED !
>
> ah ah ah
> pf
>
>>(note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more
>> a
>>lot of years ;-))
>
> I am pro-castrist
> because you're not
>
> f.
>
>


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From email at ctrlaltdel.org  Sun May 30 21:40:02 2004
From: email at ctrlaltdel.org (Peter Luining)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:40:02 +0200
Subject: a nice day to play doctor
Message-ID: <40BA3892.4020109@ctrlaltdel.org>

Today I was as a person ip-banned from several Dutch forums on which I 
liked to chat and discuss. This because my 1998 net piece "doktertje 
spelen" went through some big blogs (and attracted some traffic old 
hell.com would be proud of) and some people discovered that I was the 
maker of it. Which they always could have know because I never made a 
secret of what I did and have done as an artist. There was no discussion 
and people didn't want to know what I had to say, banned without 
discussion. It's getting tougher overhere too...



info
http://www.computerfinearts.com/collection/luining/doktertje_spelen/bginfo.htm

the work
http://www.computerfinearts.com/collection/luining/doktertje_spelen/magni.htm





From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 21:42:48 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:42:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

yeah, poulet d.g. !!

er, forget it !!

soon in the common bath ?


kisses
astrëe


bienvenido :)

> encore un peu de thé ?
> some more tea ?
> moriarty ?
> PINE ?
>
> enfin,
> c'est dimanche au printemps
>
>
> Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit
> :
>
>> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
>> post, f
>> appears crowing crow crow crow
>>
>> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>>
>> he has gone
>>
>> cat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>>
>>
>>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>>>> DAMNED !
>>>
>>> ah ah ah
>>> pf
>>>
>>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot
>>>> more
>> a
>>>> lot of years ;-))
>>>
>>> I am pro-castrist
>>> because you're not
>>>
>>> f.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -----
>> ----
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>


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</pre>


From eric.m at bobig.com  Sun May 30 21:49:30 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:49:30 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr> <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>

==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide


 > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :

>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
>
>  er, forget it !!
>
>  soon in the common bath ?
>
>
>  kisses astrëe
>
>
>  bienvenido :)
>
> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
> >
> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
> >
> >
> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
> > écrit :
> >
> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
> >>
> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
> >>
> >> he has gone
> >>
> >> cat
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
> >>
> >>
> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> DAMNED !
> >>>
> >>> ah ah ah pf
> >>>
> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
> >>>> a lot more
> >>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>> lot of years ;-))
> >>>
> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
> >>>
> >>> f.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> ----- ----
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >>> without permission
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >> without permission
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
>
>
>  -------------------------
>
>
>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>  without permission



-- 
 
           "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
        
      Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991

            http://self.bobig.com




From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 22:00:28 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:00:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>   
    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
    <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
    <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>
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méé nan k'il é kon !
ke dé bon pwoduits !

> ==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide
>
>
>  > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
>
>>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
>>
>>  er, forget it !!
>>
>>  soon in the common bath ?
>>
>>
>>  kisses astrëe
>>
>>
>>  bienvenido :)
>>
>> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
>> >
>> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
>> >
>> >
>> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>> > écrit :
>> >
>> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
>> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
>> >>
>> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>> >>
>> >> he has gone
>> >>
>> >> cat
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
>> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
>> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> DAMNED !
>> >>>
>> >>> ah ah ah pf
>> >>>
>> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
>> >>>> a lot more
>> >>
>> >> a
>> >>
>> >>>> lot of years ;-))
>> >>>
>> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
>> >>>
>> >>> f.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> ----- ----
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
>> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
>> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >>> without permission
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
>> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >> without permission
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
>>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
>>
>>
>>  -------------------------
>>
>>
>>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
>>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
>>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>>  without permission
>
>
>
> --
>
>            "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
>
>       Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991
>
>             http://self.bobig.com
>
>
>


<pre>
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                           ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
</pre>

<pre>
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                           ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
</pre>

<pre>
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                           ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
</pre>


From fmadre at free.fr  Sun May 30 22:04:25 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:04:25 +0200
Subject: for claudia
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>

http://www.latteart.org/images/Foto%20Cappuccini/latteart-001.jpg

f.



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 22:07:48 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:07:48 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>       <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>    <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>    <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com> <1066.82.224.112.161.1085947228.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

zividiou
zivi diou chvoulé dir
diou c...? chépal'dir
diou c... shttttt c grin
trétégrin !!!
tysé?

chti produit ci pabon ça
ci d'la production
ty si bin kiliparti Marx il imi pas li cinema kilimité

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "astrëe galbiatta" <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>
To: "bobig" <eric.m at bobig.com>
Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow


> méé nan k'il é kon !
> ke dé bon pwoduits !
>
> > ==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide
> >
> >
> >  > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
> >
> >>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
> >>
> >>  er, forget it !!
> >>
> >>  soon in the common bath ?
> >>
> >>
> >>  kisses astrëe
> >>
> >>
> >>  bienvenido :)
> >>
> >> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
> >> >
> >> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
> >> > écrit :
> >> >
> >> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
> >> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
> >> >>
> >> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
> >> >>
> >> >> he has gone
> >> >>
> >> >> cat
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
> >> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
> >> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> DAMNED !
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ah ah ah pf
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
> >> >>>> a lot more
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >>>> lot of years ;-))
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
> >> >>>
> >> >>> f.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> ----- ----
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
> >> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
> >> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >> >>> without permission
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
> >> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >> >> without permission
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
> >>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
> >>
> >>
> >>  -------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
> >>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
> >>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >>  without permission
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >            "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
> >
> >       Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991
> >
> >             http://self.bobig.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> <pre>
>                            _____________________________
> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> </pre>
>
> <pre>
>                            _____________________________
> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> </pre>
>
> <pre>
>                            _____________________________
> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> </pre>
>


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----


>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> no commercial use of the texts without permission




From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 22:16:18 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:16:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] for claudia
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1070.82.224.112.161.1085948178.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

heureusement il y a you ;
c'est déjà ça ;

kisses
astrëe

> http://www.latteart.org/images/Foto%20Cappuccini/latteart-001.jpg
>
> f.
>
>


<pre>
                           _____________________________
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                           ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
</pre>


From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 22:17:47 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:17:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>      
    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>   
    <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>   
    <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>
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aphasie ? bientôt ?
ô, qui sera ton Rops ?

> zividiou
> zivi diou chvoulé dir
> diou c...? chépal'dir
> diou c... shttttt c grin
> trétégrin !!!
> tysé?
>
> chti produit ci pabon ça
> ci d'la production
> ty si bin kiliparti Marx il imi pas li cinema kilimité
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "astrëe galbiatta" <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>
> To: "bobig" <eric.m at bobig.com>
> Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>
>
>> méé nan k'il é kon !
>> ke dé bon pwoduits !
>>
>> > ==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide
>> >
>> >
>> >  > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
>> >
>> >>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
>> >>
>> >>  er, forget it !!
>> >>
>> >>  soon in the common bath ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  kisses astrëe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  bienvenido :)
>> >>
>> >> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
>> >> >
>> >> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>> >> > écrit :
>> >> >
>> >> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
>> >> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>> >> >>
>> >> >> he has gone
>> >> >>
>> >> >> cat
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
>> >> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
>> >> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> DAMNED !
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ah ah ah pf
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
>> >> >>>> a lot more
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> lot of years ;-))
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> f.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> ----- ----
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
>> >> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
>> >> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >> >>> without permission
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
>> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>> >> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >> >> without permission
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
>> >>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  -------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
>> >>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
>> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>> >>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >>  without permission
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >            "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
>> >
>> >       Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991
>> >
>> >             http://self.bobig.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
>
>>
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>





From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 22:18:30 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:18:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>      
    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>   
    <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>   
    <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>
    <1066.82.224.112.161.1085947228.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
    <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
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mouëy, veusses-tu ?

kisses
astrëe


> zividiou
> zivi diou chvoulé dir
> diou c...? chépal'dir
> diou c... shttttt c grin
> trétégrin !!!
> tysé?
>
> chti produit ci pabon ça
> ci d'la production
> ty si bin kiliparti Marx il imi pas li cinema kilimité
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "astrëe galbiatta" <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>
> To: "bobig" <eric.m at bobig.com>
> Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>
>
>> méé nan k'il é kon !
>> ke dé bon pwoduits !
>>
>> > ==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide
>> >
>> >
>> >  > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
>> >
>> >>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
>> >>
>> >>  er, forget it !!
>> >>
>> >>  soon in the common bath ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  kisses astrëe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  bienvenido :)
>> >>
>> >> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
>> >> >
>> >> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>> >> > écrit :
>> >> >
>> >> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
>> >> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>> >> >>
>> >> >> he has gone
>> >> >>
>> >> >> cat
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
>> >> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
>> >> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> DAMNED !
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ah ah ah pf
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
>> >> >>>> a lot more
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> lot of years ;-))
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> f.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> ----- ----
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >> >>> without permission
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >            "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
>> >
>> >       Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991
>> >
>> >             http://self.bobig.com
>> >
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From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Sun May 30 23:44:40 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:44:40 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] for claudia
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002027bce0038d0f54@[213.23.152.28]>


>http://www.latteart.org/images/Foto%20Cappuccini/latteart-001.jpg

merci à toi

it was just right in time

>
>f.

http://www.chez.com/labgam/cartespostal/amitie/Fleur_Pensee.jpg

claudia



From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 31 00:57:00 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:57:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] a nice day to play doctor
In-Reply-To: <40BA3892.4020109@ctrlaltdel.org>
References: <40BA3892.4020109@ctrlaltdel.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405301856330.1029@panix3.panix.com>


Shades of Mary Kelly at the London ICA - nothing like diapershit/children
to infuriate the west - alan


On Sun, 30 May 2004, Peter Luining wrote:

> Today I was as a person ip-banned from several Dutch forums on which I
> liked to chat and discuss. This because my 1998 net piece "doktertje
> spelen" went through some big blogs (and attracted some traffic old
> hell.com would be proud of) and some people discovered that I was the
> maker of it. Which they always could have know because I never made a
> secret of what I did and have done as an artist. There was no discussion
> and people didn't want to know what I had to say, banned without
> discussion. It's getting tougher overhere too...
>
>
>
> info
> http://www.computerfinearts.com/collection/luining/doktertje_spelen/bginfo.htm
>
> the work
> http://www.computerfinearts.com/collection/luining/doktertje_spelen/magni.htm
>
>
>
>

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com


From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 31 06:49:23 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 00:49:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bone
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405310049150.24595@panix3.panix.com>



bone

http://www.asondheim.org/bone.jpg


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May 31 07:29:03 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 07:29:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ filthy.nematodez aka shopping=harduork
Message-ID: <200405310529.i4V5T3g18145@www.god-emil.dk>




  \\ 2!sz upon o1 afternoon [inferno] ... dze +\- short story 
     of a happy worm + my 2 neu bootz ... @ 2x fps ... if kompute you may
     \+\ not tzo gently


        http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/filmz/filthy.nematodes.mov
         http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/filmz/filthy.nematodes.mov



3n.2x.power+jo!


GD \ akron!mz maCht ganz gluckl!ch |+| fre!







From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 06:08:28 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 00:08:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: small rhymed grep poem
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405010008200.9569@panix2.panix.com>




small rhymed grep poem


moving and scanning the scene over and over gain
now i will begin again
imperialist, a supporter of the empire. imperialistic, pertain
and rest without a passion; but the chain
is broken evermore, to bind again,
all dreams are related and certain
opening and closing curtain
seem thank their borning
this morning
sore, but i am happy listening
moving and scanning
stuff in the world donesn't mean a damn thing in relation to the learning
they were fucking running
meaning
pertaining
maddening
opening
moving
the back of a truck someone was driving
i'm at a loss, having
small breathing / closing
and edward singing
opening and closing


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From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 06:34:20 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 00:34:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: despair
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405010034120.10543@panix3.panix.com>




despair


raising
alan_. says, "sonheim/tiffany textualising"
keep on living.
forting of a child; it is a kindness and a space of giving
christine, i had a dream that we were driving
holds, collapses the body; leaning in toward the screen; the mutilated
taneously, and perhaps over billions of years oxygenated
operate, but is operated
game played in a concrete topography delineated
cuperated
alan_. says, "everything is interpenetrated
alan_. says, "returned it next day ... fully annotated
alan_. says, "position of unease ... asociated
slams through lag - when i'm isolated
later that same night, now into morning, i motivated
is _literally_ a dirty word, associated
york-time remained evident and subsumed, easily calculated
control, partly lagged/frozen/inundated
stream from your cock, cells burst into oxygenated
to it all; it's not that complicated
down" by human operators. the pixeled numbers are striated
what has created
uncanny or imaginary ghosts wandering
there on cuseeme screen, pensive face turning, stuttering
laughing, crying, speaking, murmuring, whispering
covering
she paused, pen poised, remembering
becomes something else, eh, it becomes just a form of meandering
about it; there's nothing else, no content to it, just wondering
are entering
of discomfiture, defuge, the gathering
sloganeering
back on it was the phantom clicking of the answering
the hole is given by the rim, the delineation
the rim job is the locus of labor in the hole, absorption / annihilation;
the rim job is the labor of supplication and fulfillment, recuperation
dust is atmospheric, existing in alliance with the air. radiation
from surface to surface, defines surface, contributes to the formation
shuttling information
phors go only so far. radiation
tions - extinctions, pollutions, desertification
economies, the ravagings of human occupation
interpretation
was one of desolation
saying a single word, he looked at me with eyes of desperation


_



From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 10:28:03 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 04:28:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SYN Attack @ Panix
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405010427380.13713@panix3.panix.com>


it ended now script kiddy gone to bed

SYN Attack @ Panix

Sat May  1 00:32:07 EDT 2004
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59812       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59813       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59818       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59819       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59821       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59822       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59823       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59824       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59828       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59829       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59830       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59832       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59833       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59834       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59835       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59837       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59838       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59839       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59840       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59842       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59844       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59845       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59846       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59848       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59849       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59850       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59851       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59853       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59855       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59856       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59857       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59859       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59860       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59862       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59865       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59866       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59867       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59868       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59870       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59871       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59872       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59874       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59879       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59882       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59883       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59885       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59887       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59889       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59891       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59892       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59893       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59894       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59895       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59896       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59898       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59899       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59901       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59902       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59903       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59904       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59907       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59908       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59909       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59916       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59917       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59920       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59925       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59927       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59928       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59929       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59933       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59936       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59937       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59938       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59939       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59941       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59942       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59943       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59945       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59946       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59951       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59956       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59958       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59959       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59961       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59962       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59964       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59965       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59966       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT
tcp        0      0  166.84.1.3.59967       166.84.1.87.783        SYN_SENT


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From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 11:22:50 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 05:22:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: epic and machinic
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405010522420.6833@panix3.panix.com>



epic and machinic

motivations towards the machinic, interpenetrated
a mess for the most part although the moderated
which i have elaborated
degenerated
there is little necessity for totality except that which may be generated
the same post in carets/quoted,_ hence _remade, returned, recuperated
wasn't a problem but speed certainly was far and beyond its rated
crashed other systems. it had to be removed. it infiltrated
turned whatever one wanted to hear. it crated
hoppers, heated, iced, refrigerated
if anideological thrust possessed serrated
iterated
valentine's day will be celebrated
like john giorno with his doubled-up pasty columns of reiterated
nietzsche, and barthes; lingis' exhilerated
isn't. the old eiaj reel-to-reel tape has deteriorated
wherever he liberated
operate, but is operated
ion. it's got to be me. i'm a whore, a desecrated
in a pipe immobilized, saturated
you asked me to start first. i'm feeling very frustrated
of the image produced by the light microscope, and the exaggerated
please, defuge set in; that you berated
leap or arch, or that is the acculturated
accelerated
internet. the front page of this is illustrated
shell, that is to say ectoplasm migrated
the audience sees a beautifully decorated
television. i had a circle of friends who tolerated
demonstrated
ther generated by the machine-ab-nihilo, procreated
are concentrated
teeth grated
screen, prostrated
theses,' but more integrated fieldings. and i find a way to read machine
while hot jenny and i double fisted. her thick clit penetrated
ings of contracted and suppurated
brought forth in creation as the desire for language is consecrated
that such triplicated
smeared - almost obliterated
of bruises, lacerated
exasperated
new symbolisms, large areas of it elaborated
places, not spaces, open elements, line segments somewhat obliterated
and there is no guarantee that this word is properly transliterated
newold separated from kamikuko, you'd have nikuko, and if sin separated
naked and castrated
theory is enumerated
children - was evident, as if it repeatedly struck the incarcerated
unpopular in high-school and hung out with a few punks who tolerated
i'm concerned, i'm very concerned thank you! it's r-rated, not x-rated
problematic of post-modern identities, looped, eviscerated
revising einstein - once he demonstrated
virtual sexuality will become integrated
unadulterated
of signs reverberated
making substitutions all over the place,and have collaborated
here we are cooperating. this person has cooperated



From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May  1 16:59:49 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 10:59:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Full Disclosure Unemployment 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405011059380.13542@panix3.panix.com>




Full Disclosure Unemployment


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10k a year after unemployment runs out 5/23.


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 00:48:48 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 00:48:48 +0200 (CEST)
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\+\ FUCK THE .EU BARBARIC MOTHER FUCKERS' INVASION as well





May 1, 6:47 PM (ET)
By ROBERT H. REID 

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council demanded Saturday that Iraqi authorities investigate reports that American guards abused inmates in the very prison where Saddam Hussein's regime tortured opponents.

As international condemnation intensified, the scandal broadened with a British newspaper publishing new photographs of a hooded Iraqi prisoner, who reportedly was beaten and humiliated by British troops. The Daily Mirror's front page showed a soldier apparently urinating on the prisoner, who was sitting on the floor.

Also Saturday, The New Yorker magazine said it obtained a U.S. Army report that Iraqi detainees were subjected to "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.

Those abuses included threats of rape and the pouring of cold water and liquid from chemical lights on detainees, said the internal report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba. Detainees were beaten with a broom handle and one was sodomized with "a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick," the report said, the magazine reported in its May 10 issue.

Col. Jill Morgenthaler, spokeswoman for the U.S. command here, said Taguba had prepared an internal report but she could not comment on its findings because they were classified.

Many Arabs in neighboring countries accuse the United States of having double standards on human rights and say the issue will rally support for Islamic fundamentalists.

The new allegations are expected to fuel a growing sense of outrage that swelled in Iraq after the release of shocking pictures showing prisoners being humiliated by their U.S. captors - who invaded Iraq last year to liberate the country from Saddam's tyranny.

Although the pictures have not been widely published by Iraqi newspapers, many Iraqis have seen them on Arabic-language satellite television stations, such as Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya.

"After what we saw, all Iraqis will attack them now," Abdulilah Mohammed, a 55-year-old Baghdad street vendor, said of the Americans.

Some photos, aired first on CBS'"60 Minutes II," showed two U.S. soldiers standing near the prisoners, smiling and clowning for the camera.

Another showed a hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his hands. CBS said the prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted, although the wires were not connected to a power supply.

"The Governing Council should investigate this, because it is the legitimate authority responsible for protecting the Iraqis," council member Sondul Chapouk told The Associated Press. "During Saddam's time we rejected such acts, and after the liberation we still reject them."

Another council member, Ghazi Mashal Ajil al-Yawer, said the perpetrators must be punished "as war criminals" because "the dignity of an Iraqi citizen is no less than the dignity of an American."

Council member Mahmoud Othman, a member of the pro-U.S. Kurdish minority, warned that the allegations had harmed the U.S. military's image in Iraq.

"The Saddam era was full of executions and torture, and we want the new Iraq clean of such images," he said.

U.S. officials here and in Washington have expressed outrage over the alleged abuse at Abu Ghraib, notorious during Saddam's era as a center of torture, rape and murder.

"Their treatment does not reflect the nature of the American people," President Bush said Friday. "That's not the way we do things in America. I didn't like it one bit."

The U.S. military was investigating the alleged abuse of prisoners well before the pictures emerged, and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, ordered a criminal probe in January.

Six U.S. soldiers face courts-martial in the case. Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade, and at least seven others have been suspended from their duties.

Morgenthaler, the U.S. spokeswoman, said in an e-mail that three of the six soldiers facing courts-martial have completed their Article 32 hearings - the military equivalent of a grand jury proceeding. In all cases, the adjudicating officer recommended that charges go forward to general courts martial.

The Daily Mirror report quoted unidentified soldiers as saying the unarmed captive shown in its photograph was threatened with execution during eight hours of abuse and was left bleeding and vomiting. They said the captive was then driven away and dumped from a moving vehicle, and his fate was unclear.

"If it happened, it's completely unacceptable," British Prime Minister Tony Blair said. "I think anyone would be sickened by any thought that coalition troops had abused Iraqi prisoners."

British Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram promised an inquiry by the Royal Military Police.

Britain's The Independent newspaper, which opposed the war, wrote in an editorial: "These images have served to inflame opinion in Iraq, throughout the Middle East and beyond, confirming for many Muslims, rightly or wrongly, the view that Americans hold them in contempt."

The Daily Telegraph newspaper, which backed the war, described the pictures as "shocking."

Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, whose country holds the European Union presidency, said, "We are all appalled by the pictures." He said the soldiers deserve protection under the Geneva Conventions.

Such comments have done little to assuage anger among Iraqis, many of whom are chafing under foreign rule. Even those most supportive of the U.S. effort fear Americans have lost the moral high ground.

"It is inhumane torture," Majid Karim said. "No one could accept that. Those who are torturing our youth, the prisoners, are Israeli intelligence agents."

Imad Othman, a 29-year-old civil engineer, said that unless the American guards are severely punished, "it will really create a grudge against the Americans and attacks against them will increase."

The pictures could not have appeared at a worse time for the embattled American mission in Iraq, already reeling from the bloodiest month since the Iraq conflict began in March 2003. 




















From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 01:08:36 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
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>Standing on the rubble of their home, his wife raised her hands to the sky and called on God to take revenge on President Bush.


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the 1st world concentrated obesity simply inferior ugly MOTHER FUCKERS camp






>"Why did they come thousands of miles to destroy our homes, kill our sons and drive out our families? Their war is against Muslims," she said. 


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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May  2 01:39:03 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 01:39:03 +0200
Subject: Brigads as well
Message-ID: <096d01c42fd5$7e1ce960$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

John Negroponte, famous on Brigads of the death in Nicaragua, Bush senior's
personnal man-weapon, last seventies, is the present as new ambassador of
America hope to stop "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" sent by
Mr Bush junior to Iraq people :

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http://www.coha.org/NEW_PRESS_RELEASES/New_Press_Releases_2004/04.20_Negroponte.htm

1730 M Street NW, Suite 1010, Washington, D.C.  20036
Phone:  202-216-9261  Fax:  202-223-6035
Email: coha at coha.org   Website: www.coha.org
Council On Hemispheric Affairs
Monitoring Political, Economic and Diplomatic Issues Affecting the Western
Hemisphere
Memorandum to the Press 04.20Tuesday, April 27, 2004

Word Count: 5,008
ATTENTION
Senate Foreign Relations Committee is right now holding confirmation
hearings on John Negroponte to be U.S. ambassador to Iraq. COHA is here
re-releasing its memorandum issued last Thursday on Negroponte's
controversial stint as ambassador to Honduras, 1981-85.

Negroponte: Nominee for Baghdad Embassy, a Rogue for all Seasons

·        Negroponte pressed Powell to pressure Chile's and Mexico's
weak-willed leaders to discharge their U.N. ambassadors over Iraq votes.
·        Negroponte has a sordid human rights record in Honduras.
·        A Cruel Joke: Negroponte, the arch authoritarian, teaching
democracy to the Iraqis.
·        Life under Saddam somewhat prepares you for the Negroponte era.
·        Senate Foreign Relations Committee unlikely to closely scrutinize
Negroponte nomination.
·        Like the earlier nominations of Otto Reich, John Bolton and Roger
Noriega, Secretary of State Colin Powell will have no trouble in describing
this villain as an "honorable" man.

President Bush confirmed recent rumors by announcing on Monday that John D.
Negroponte was being nominated to become this country's ambassador to Iraq,
a post that he would assume on June 30, when sovereignty ostensibly will be
transferred to Iraqi authorities.  But the Negroponte nomination must be
seen as a profoundly troubling one since the same nagging questions which
were present during the summer of 2001, when Negroponte was nominated to be
U.S. ambassador to the UN, continue to persist.  Enough time apparently has
passed since a number of accusations first surfaced concerning Negroponte's
profound moral derelictions (which at least date back to the time that he
served as U.S. ambassador to Honduras (1981-85)), for these again to be
thoroughly aired.  But if the past is any precedent, Negroponte will sail
through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the full Senate as if he
was a Happy Warrior rather than the immoral reprobate that his record
undeniably portrays him as being.  Since then, Washington's ability to slip
into political amnesia regarding his reprehensible actions in Honduras will
now once again be at play.

The central fact to the Negroponte story is that he misled Congress when
some of its members attempted to question him about his complicity in
helping to cover up his knowledge and direct personal involvement in the
training, equipping and distracting attention from the heinous acts of
Battalion 316, the Honduran death squad which at the time of Negroponte's
residence in Honduras was responsible for the murder of almost 200 Honduran
dissidents opposed to their country being used as an "unsinkable aircraft
carrier" in the U.S.-backed Contra war against Nicaragua's leftist
Sandinistas.


Negroponte Arrives in Tegucigalpa
Negroponte replaced Jack Binns, who had been President Carter's ambassador
to Honduras during 1980-81, after Binns had spoken out against mounting
evidence of major human rights violations occurring in that country against
political dissidents who dared to speak out against the growing involvement
of Honduras in the secret Contra war against Sandinista Nicaragua.  He made
references to activities that were being carried out by a shady operation
which came to be known as Battalion 316.  A big part of this story is the
flawed annual human rights reports, prepared every year by U.S. embassies
around the world, which had to be presented to Congress under terms of the
Foreign Assistance Act.  When it came to Honduras, this report was
significantly expurgated, first in Tegucigalpa by Negroponte, and then once
again after it reached Washington by then Assistant Secretary of State for
Humanitarian Affairs, the infamous Elliot Abrams.  Abrams, an obsessive cold
warrior, had as little sympathy for human rights issues in Honduras as he
was in favor of them when it came to Cuba.  This operation subverted the
law, and Abrams eventually confessed to his role in the Iran-Contra war, but
was later pardoned by the first President Bush.  This dominated Honduran
realities during the early 1980s, which were to further deteriorate during
Negroponte's ambassadorial stint.  The new ambassador's mission was to
ensure that the steady stream of U.S. aid to Honduras, aimed at preventing
the spread of Communism by Sandinista Nicaragua, was to continue at any
cost.  Years later, in 1995, a former junior political officer, who had
worked in the embassy under Negroponte, came forth with serious accusations
concerning the human rights lapses of the Honduran army in the annual human
rights report he was required to draft during the Negroponte era.  This
report was meant to be sent to Congress, but he claimed the charges had been
eliminated or transformed by others by the time that the report had reached
its ultimate destination.


Negroponte Doctors Human Rights Reports
There is no question that Negroponte and the rest of the senior embassy
personnel must have known about the disappearances and tortures of Honduran
leftists since some of the most widely-distributed newspapers in the country
carried at least 318 stories about such military abuses in 1982 alone.
Negroponte also had direct contact with General Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, by
then the chief of the Honduran armed forces and the secret head of Battalion
316.  Negroponte himself has insisted that on occasion he requested the
release of a torture victim when the story was close to breaking in the U.S.
press.  This happened in the 1982 case of the arrest and torture of
journalist Oscar Reyes and his wife, Gloria.  Clearly, Negroponte and the
embassy knew enough about these cases to act appropriately on occasion and
when compelled by circumstances to do so.


Negroponte Introduces the Hard Line
The replacement of Binns by Negroponte reflected a shifting foreign policy
strategy for Central America, witnessed by the introduction of the Reagan
administration's hard-line policy and its implementation by Elliot Abrams;
regarding Honduras, it was represented by the zealotry of the ambassador in
Tegucigalpa, John Negroponte.

Negroponte's objective in Honduras was eerily familiar to the Bush
administration's present goal in Iraq.  The U.S. government, again, is
attempting to implement a democratic format in a country that has not yet
chosen to do it on its own, and not necessarily by democratic means.  To
implement this complex task will inevitably create a less than ideal
situation for the ambassador to fulfill his instructions.  But given
Negroponte's well-practiced M.O. of dark box chicanery, the spread of false
information and outright lying, it is doubtful that he will be any less
controversial or contrived in his task of successfully introducing democracy
in Iraq than he was in Honduras, perhaps because "democracy" is not exactly
his stigmata.  John Negroponte is preeminently an-ends-justifies-the-means
operator.  He repeatedly in the past has proven that he is willing to employ
practices which seem to be the antitheses of the definition of "democratic",
in democracy's good name.  Negroponte's career has been one where in his
professional life he has shown a willingness to use authoritarian means to
professedly advance democracy.


Which Man is Negroponte?
To his admirers, Negroponte is a distinguished career senior foreign service
officer who has served his country well in a number of important posts.  To
his detractors, Negroponte is a blunt, self-serving opportunist who
aggressively (to a point well past overkill) took on what he perceived as
being the ideological ethos of whatever administration he was serving at the
time, even if it meant stretching credulity, ethics and personal honesty to
the breaking point.  Perhaps a more accurate assessment of his performance
is that he misused his authority and egregiously flouted decent standards of
professional behavior, while scarcely looking backwards.  Rather than a
paragon of democratic virtues, Negroponte is a man who has to be seen as the
anti-Christ of democracy, repeatedly dragging its noble cause through offal.
Negroponte's nomination, along with the earlier appointments of Cold War
stalwarts such as Otto Reich and Elliot Abrams, as well as Senator Helms'
protégé, Roger Noriega, to key hemispheric posts by President Bush,
represents a throwback to an era when human rights and democratic processes
were routinely suffered in the name of halting purported efforts by Moscow
to expand Communism throughout the hemisphere.

To Iraqis used to Saddam Hussein's inflexible rule, his cynicism and
indifference to the suffering of others, Negroponte's arrival in Baghdad
will require no prolonged adaptation to the rule or style of America's new
pro-consul in the country.  They will have exchanged one man on horseback
for another.  For those who are familiar with his professional history, it
will take a clothespin on one's nose for his Iraqi audience to stomach any
speech that he makes touting democracy.


Negroponte's Recent Past
After Negroponte had been nominated for the U.N. Ambassadorship, he was
scheduled for a potentially withering cross-examination by his detractors on
the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for his actions in Honduras, as part
of his confirmation hearings that were being conducted for that post.  But
he was spared any further scrutiny by the occurrence of 9/11 and the
overpowering feeling in the Senate that the U.S. must quickly fill the
existing UN vacancy, by a peremptory vote.  Thus, rather than be submitted
to exacting querying, the process then turned out to be little better than a
pro-forma interrogation.

This scenario is sure to be replicated when it comes to the Iraq post.  The
nomination is another in a series of disturbing foreign relations moves by
the Bush administration and the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, which has
had its ramifications when it comes to Latin America.  After all, Negroponte
played a key role when it came to manipulating a string of weak leaders in
Mexico and Chile in order to persuade them to fire their respective
ambassadors to the UN because they opposed Negroponte's position on Iraq.
Negroponte's complicity in efforts to obtain the discharge of Mexico's
ambassador Adolfo Abullar Zinnser and Chile's Juan Gabriel Valdes scarcely
differed from his purported perjured testimony in which he covered up the
full extent of his knowledge of the human rights abuses committed by the
Honduran military during his stay in that country, and his testimony over
the details of his involvement in the Iran-Contra scandal.  He also admitted
to the illicit diversion of U.S. aid to Honduras for the Contra forces,
which normally should have disbarred any attempt to let him into a higher
posting.  Unfortunately, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and its
chairman can be counted on to do themselves little honor by trivializing
their advice and consent responsibility when it comes to sending off this
appointee to Baghdad.

General Luis Alonso Discua Elivir, a former Honduran death squad commander
who claimed that he would "spill the beans" on Negroponte unless his family
was allowed to remain in this country, had his U.S. visa revoked in 2001.
It would be perhaps of interest to hear this man's testimony and have
Negroponte respond to the huge amount of material implicating him in playing
a sedulously deceitful role after being posted to Honduras.  Despite an
abundance of reporters, scholars and former governmental officials who have
publicly raised questions about Negroponte's record, no public witnesses
were invited to try to establish before the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee that Negroponte was not qualified for his appointment to the UN
post.  Therefore, what should have been an occasion of close scrutiny over
serious charges of malfeasance in office, will instead be afforded no better
than a cursory screening which will be more of a celebration than an
examination.


Complicity with Death Squad Leaders
            During his ambassadorship in Honduras from 1981 to 1985,
Negroponte was known to have close working ties to that nation's most
egregious local abuses of human rights.  One of the most notable of these
unsavory characters was then-Colonel Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, at the time
Honduras' military chief and the de facto strongman of the country.
Promoted to general, Alvarez was later assassinated after returning from the
U.S., where he had sought refuge from his senior military colleagues, who
purportedly later had him murdered after he had refused to share with them
the alleged large bribes that he had received via the U.S. embassy.  This
largesse was a reward for facilitating the conversion of his country into a
base to wage the Contra war against the incumbent leftist Sandinista
government in Nicaragua.

           Alvarez was perhaps most infamous for his close connections to
the death squad that became know as Battalion 316.  This Alvarez-created
unit, which received training in torture techniques from Argentine 'dirty
war' veterans and the CIA (according to the Pulitzer prize-winning Baltimore
Sun series which in part examined Negroponte's controversial role in
Honduras), is widely suspected of "disappearing" over 180 suspected
"subversives" in the early 1980s.  At the time, any Honduran opposed to that
country's use as a staging ground for President Reagan's anti-Sandinista
campaign was generally considered a "subversive."


Promoting Human Rights to Save Face
            In response to recurrent journalist inquiries, as well as in
formal proceedings, Negroponte repeatedly has denied or minimized any
knowledge of charges that the Honduran military was behind the death squads
and that such a force as Battalion 316 even existed.  Negroponte's attempts
to dismiss the role of death squads have been undermined by his later boasts
that, quite to the contrary, he personally intervened in a number of
instances to secure the release of politically sensitive detainees being
held by Honduran authorities.  Even if one grants this claim, such behavior
on Negroponte's part was the exception rather than the rule, and perhaps is
an indication of how he could have saved many more lives, if he had used his
plenary position in Honduras to be a true advocate of human rights and human
decency.

            One such apparently rare occasion in which he professedly
intervened involved journalist Oscar Reyes, who was abducted after writing
numerous articles critical of the Honduran military.  Former U.S. embassy
spokesman Cresencio Arcos has verified that in July of 1983, Negroponte
approached General Alvarez about his apprehensions over the just
"disappeared" Reyes.  It should be recalled that Arcos himself, as the
embassy press officer, has been repeatedly accused by scholars studying
Honduras during that epoch, of knowingly distributing false information to
U.S. journalists stationed in Honduras at the time, and that he had entered
into a familial relationship with a politically important Honduran family,
allegedly not keeping his personal life entirely separate from his official
responsibilities.

Prompted by protests from university students and a rash of newspaper
publicity on Reyes at the time, it is unlikely that Negroponte's request for
the journalist's release was principally motivated by abiding human rights
concerns.  Rather, the impetus for such singular concern in this case almost
certainly was the fear that widespread coverage of the Reyes kidnapping
could eventually make headlines in U.S. newspapers and bring unwanted
publicity to his ambassadorship and the skullduggery in which it was
involved.

            Recently released declassified documents that had been requested
by the Senate for the Negroponte hearing were always on Negroponte's mind
because they repeatedly articulated a concern over any bad publicity that
could becloud his reputation.  An undesirable outcome of this kind would
have hardened opposition to President Reagan's extremely controversial
policy of trying to suck Honduras into the Contra war in exchange for secret
bribes to a number of that country's political and military officers, as
well as hundreds of millions in U.S. funds being allocated for economic and
military assistance programs to the Honduran regime.

            Another high-profile case in which Negroponte claims to have
intervened was the disappearance of a suspected leftist, Inés Murillo.  A
number of reports at the time stated that a U.S. Embassy (or perhaps a CIA)
official had visited the Honduran torture facility known as INDUMIL, where
Murillo was being held and tortured.  The daughter of a prominent local
family, Murillo's parents were relentless in trying to locate their
daughter, even taking out a full-page advertisement in the Honduran
newspaper, El Tiempo.  Negroponte professedly vocalized concern over Murillo
's status, again fearing bad press coverage, and brought up the matter when
meeting with Honduran officials.  Four days later, Murillo was, in effect,
narrowly saved from a certain death when she was publicly sentenced to two
years in prison.


Contra Connections
            Starting in the early 1980s, Hondurans had become the primary
U.S. support base for the Contra war.  The Honduran Army provided facilities
and logistical support in a swath of territory adjacent to Nicaragua which
became known as "Contraland." Honduran channels were also used to funnel
U.S. funds to the Contras, without disclosing their source, at a time when
such funding to the rebels was prohibited by Congress, but was still flowing
from other U.S. funding sources, including the CIA.

            During his stint in Tegucigalpa, Negroponte expanded the embassy
staff's size ten-fold and it came to house one of the largest CIA
deployments in all of Latin America.  The same scenario inevitably will be
the case in Baghdad once Negroponte initiates his ambassadorship, and
presides over what is being touted as the largest U.S. overseas diplomatic
mission in the world, with anywhere from one to three thousand personnel
being employed there.  Hondurans frequently referred to Negroponte as the
U.S. "proconsul" of the country, as his arrogant and stealthy style of
operating was more like that of an intelligence officer than a traditional
diplomat, redolent of his days as a young agent in Vietnam.  Utilizing this
persona, he was able to guarantee the cooperation of a Honduran base for the
Contra rebel army through his domination of compromised local officials and
institutions.


Negroponte and the Boland Amendment
            Negroponte also played a primary role in organizing such
pro-Contra projects as a regional U.S. counterinsurgency training center at
Puerto Castilla and the construction of the controversial $7.5 million
highway to Puerto Lempira, which passed through a virgin strand of mahogany
trees towards the country's eastern coast.  Such a road would facilitate the
flow of supplies to the U.S.-directed Nicaraguan right-wing contras.  In
spite of U.S. AID regulations stipulating that such a U.S.-funded project
must have an environmental impact study conducted before construction could
commence, Negroponte huffily overruled such legal niceties and resorting to
expletives, ordered the road to be built in spite of the illegalities
involved and the protests of an AID official who had been sent from
Washington to argue his case.  Support of Honduran aid to the Contras at the
time also violated Congressional prohibitions, such as the 1982 Boland
amendment, which banned the use of U.S. funds for "military equipment,
military training or advice, or other support for military activities, to
any group or individual not part of a country's armed forces, for the
purpose of overthrowing the government of Nicaragua or provoking a military
exchange between Nicaragua and Honduras."

            In exchange for General Alvarez's total collusion in support of
Contra operations in Honduras, Washington offered full political and
economic support to that country's corrupt military.  U.S. military aid to
Honduras swelled from $3.9 million in 1980 to $77.4 million by 1984.
Between 1981 and 1986, more than 60,000 U.S. soldiers and members of the
National Guard traversed Honduras in over 50 military exercises meant not so
much to intimidate the Sandinistas as to covertly transfer arms to the
Contras.  Cynically enough, upon recommendation by Negroponte and others,
the Reagan administration obscenely awarded Alvarez the Legion of Merit in
1983 for "encouraging democracy."


By Whatever Means Necessary
            John Negroponte was sent to Tegucigalpa with the mission of
keeping U.S. aid flowing into Honduras for the Contras by whatever means
necessary.  Under Negroponte's direct guidance, the U.S. Embassy in
Tegucigalpa turned a blind eye to glaring evidence of systematic human
rights abuses by Honduran officials.  Recently declassified State Department
papers also reveal the lengths that Negroponte would go to in order to
protect the victimizer, rather than the victims, of human rights abuses.  In
1982 alone, there were over 300 newspaper articles in the Honduran press
reporting the illegal detention of university students and the abduction of
union leaders.  Colonel Leonidas Torres Arias, a disgruntled former
intelligence chief of the Honduran armed forces, stated in a 1982 news
conference that Battalion 316 was indeed a death squad, citing three of its
victims by name.  Efrain Diaz Arrivillaga, a Honduran congressional
delegate, also said that when he spoke about the military's abuses at the
time to Negroponte, he was met with an "attitude.of tolerance and silence."
In addition, organizations such as the Committee of the Relatives of the
Disappeared visited the U.S. embassy to complain that the Honduran military
was holding suspected dissidents in clandestine jails such as INDUMIL, to a
totally unmoved Negroponte.

            Recent reports have further established that Negroponte was very
well aware of human rights abuses in Honduras, and any doubts he had about
individual cases were politically motivated rather than the product of
genuine caution or any high evidential standard.  In Search of Hidden
Truths, co-authored by the Honduran Human Rights Commissioner, documents
recently-declassified reports which provide solid evidence that the U.S. was
minutely aware of human rights abuses committed by the Honduran military in
the 1980s, in spite of Negroponte's persistent claims to the contrary.  In
addition, declassified State Department documents also establish that in
October of 1984, after General Alvarez had been deposed by the Honduran
armed forces, Negroponte's embassy was finally willing to acknowledge that,
"responsibility for a number of the alleged disappearances between 1981 and
March 1984 can be assigned either directly or indirectly to Alvarez
 himself."

            Recently declassified cable traffic indicates a persistent
inclination on Negroponte's behalf to wholeheartedly believe rather pitiable
excuses offered by General Alvarez to explain any human rights abuses.  For
example, in a 1983 letter, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Inter-America
Affairs Craig Johnstone conveyed to Negroponte that a number of guerrillas
had been captured and executed by elements of the Honduran armed forces.
Negroponte's response was to accept General Alvarez's lame excuse that the
six detainees were shot dead while trying to escape.  However, when dealing
with protests coming from human rights activists and political dissidents,
the exact opposite was true when it came to assessing the quality of the
information concerning allegations by Honduran human rights groups, such as
CODEH, on violations by the armed forces.  These were routinely met with
skepticism if not total denial by Negroponte's embassy, and often, by the
ambassador himself.

            Further discrediting Negroponte's bona fides on the country's
human rights situation are statements by Jack Binns, his immediate
predecessor as ambassador to Honduras from 1980 to 1981.  At the time, Binns
warned State Department officials of what he described as "increasing
evidence of officially sponsored and/or sanctioned assassinations of
political and criminal targets."  Binns also has stated that there was no
way for Negroponte not to know the grim facts of life in Honduras.  Thomas
Enders, then Binns' superior as Assistant Secretary of State, has admitted
that he told Binns not to report human rights abuses through official
channels in order to keep U.S. aid flowing in Honduras by any means.  Enders
confessed his transgressions at a later date, something that Negroponte has
failed to do, let alone even consider.


Blatant Contradictions in Human Rights Reports
Instances of disappearances, harassment and abductions of political
dissidents all escalated under Negroponte, yet the annual Human Rights
Reports prepared by the ambassadorial staff for the State Department's
Bureau of Humanitarian Affairs were masterpieces of cunning redaction or
invention, consistently downplaying human rights abuses and denying that any
evidence existed of systematic violations by manipulating language and
statistics.  For example, the 1982 report prepared for the State Department
by Negroponte's staff asserted, "Legal guarantees exist against arbitrary
arrest or imprisonment, and against torture or degrading treatment.  Habeas
Corpus is guaranteed by the Constitution, Honduran law provides for
arraignment within 24 hours of arrest.  This appears to be the standard
practice."  All of this is absolute rubbish, and is not even true today, let
alone in the early 1980s.  In fact, Honduran judicial procedures are
routinely given the worst ratings by Transparency International.  In
reality, extra-legal abductions by the military were rampant at the time and
widely reported as well.  In addition, as was acknowledged in declassified
State Department documents at the time, the judicial system was (and still
is) almost entirely corrupt.  Relatives' requests for information or
visitation rights for imprisoned family members were met with stonewalling,
as court and military officials asserted that there was no record of the
individual being detained, and thus no assistance was given in locating
them.  The U.S. embassy was often asked to help find relatives or use its
influence to gain the individual's release.  Negroponte's awareness of at
least a substantial number of these abductions is beyond dispute.


Honduras or Norway?
            Curiously enough, the aforementioned Reyes case did not even
deserve any mention in Negroponte's 1982 Human Rights Report, despite
widespread media coverage and his self-professed personal involvement.
However, the following was included in the report: "No incidence of official
interference with the media has been recorded for several years."  It was
difficult even for embassy staff in Honduras to take the human rights
reports seriously, as they appeared to be in such blatant denial of what
U.S. officials were witnessing in Honduras on a daily basis.  Rick
Chidester, then a U.S. embassy aide in Honduras, has been quoted as jocosely
wondering at the time whether they actually had not just prepared the human
rights report on Norway.


Promoting Democracy Only When Necessary
            Before being sent to Washington, the embassy's human rights
reports were being carefully edited to clearly correspond to Negroponte's
own ideological sentiments and mission rather than to objective facts.  One
must realize that Negroponte did not look upon the report as being routine,
but rather as a potentially explosive document whose revelations must be
contained.  What is certain is that Negroponte hypocritically set an
incredibly high standard of proof for the inclusion of evidence of any
wrongdoing by Honduran authorities, but repeatedly questioned the legitimacy
of various human rights leaders in the country, which was certainly not in
conformance with existing State Department practices.  Someone with such a
'distinguished' Foreign Service career as is routinely claimed for
Negroponte by those whose capacity for righteous indignation - such as
former Assistant Secretary of State Bernard Aronson and U.N. ambassador
Jeanne Kirkpatrick - is quite low, if it existed at all.  They would surely
have known that in spite of their fulsome praise for Negroponte, such
embassy reports are not intended to be exclusively based on facts and be
admissible in court, but rather are also meant to include anecdotal
information from ordinary citizens and the media concerning human rights
abuses, which were myriad in Honduras at the time, and of which Aronson and
Kirkpatrick have been aware.  Negroponte broke with this practice by
requiring that all testimonies be in the form of public affidavits.  This
criterion could only be met at great risk to the personal safety of those
who wanted to come forward and reveal the truth behind the human rights
violations occurring at the time, but were fearful of doing so.

            The juxtaposition of the Human Rights Reports for Honduras and
Nicaragua provides a striking contrast of exactly what purpose the documents
served.  While the embassy-produced Human Rights Reports for Honduras were
characteristically incredulous over allegations of abuses by the military,
in Sandinista Nicaragua the reports were manipulated to have the U.S. public
believe that atrocities committed by the Sandinista government were of a
gross nature and a daily event, which was far from the truth.  The Embassy
reports provided by Negroponte's office appeared to state whatever was
necessary in order to assuage the concerns of the Democratic majority in
Congress as to what was happening in the area, disregarding the murderous
realities that average Hondurans confronted on a daily basis.  The skewering
of human rights reports thus appear to have been an exceedingly serious
instrument in the Negroponte Embassy's arsenal, aimed at promoting his
full-time efforts to abet the overthrow of the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, and
were not at all intended to strengthen democratic institutions by actually
reporting on human rights violations, or saving lives in that country.
There is ample reason to believe that charges of complicity in the murder of
a Chilean constitutionalist general, that were leveled against Henry
Kissinger in a U.S. court, could very well have been duplicated against
Negroponte in a civil proceeding involving his own lawless behavior.


The Worst Man for the Job
            Negroponte's mental and moral flaws in the area of human rights
should be prompting serious concerns over the disservice that his
appointment would do to the diminished standing of this country's already
tattered reputation over its troubled Iraq policy.  As a would-be harbinger
of democracy to Iraq, it would be little more than a cruel joke to pretend
that this man had a bone of democratic rectitude to him.  Given Negroponte's
tawdry record in Honduras, some observers contend that the original
Negroponte nomination to the UN offered one more example of Secretary Powell
's lack of standards when it comes to State Department policy, and that his
testimonials of the honorable nature of such nominees, as was equally true
of his nomination of Otto Reich, John Bolton and Roger Noriega, whom Colin
Powell defended as "honorable men," are totally at variance with reality.
The nomination of such a tainted figure as Negroponte to one of the most
prominent posts available today to a U.S. diplomat should represent an
insult to the international community, as well as a hollow affront to the
memory of the victims of the Central American wars of the 1980s, and can
only result in a further diminution of the reputation of this country for
civic rectitude at a very difficult moment in its history.


This analysis was prepared by Larry Birns and Jenna Wright, with archival
contributions by Jeremy Gans and Matthew Tschetter

Mr. Birns is the director of the Washington based Council on Hemispheric
Affairs, where the other authors are research fellows.

Issued 27 April, 2004

 The Council on Hemispheric Affairs, founded in 1975, is an independent,
non-profit, non-partisan, tax-exempt research and information organization.
It has been described on the Senate floor as being "one of the nation's most
respected bodies of scholars and policy makers." For more information,
please see our web page at www.coha.org; or contact our Washington offices
by phone (202) 216-9261, fax (202) 223-6035, or email coha at coha.org.

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Stop Human Rights Obstructer John Negroponte
Act immediately to prevent Senate approval of
Negroponte for Ambassador to the UN


This alert is circulated by the:
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Please contact the Nicaragua Network for more information at 202-544-9355 or
nicanet at afgj.org.


Alert Includes:

1. Introduction
2. Background on John Negroponte, nominee for Ambassador to UN
3. Suggested actions (mailing or calling your senator)


1) Introduction
 George W. Bush's presidency has begun with a return to the Reagan-era
agenda. Of concern to those of us in the Latin American solidarity community
has been his unapologetic attempt to revive Cold War diplomacy through the
nomination of former Iran Contra criminals to key diplomatic posts.
Reagan-era Assistant Secretary of State Elliott Abrams has been selected as
the National Security Council's senior director for democracy, human rights
and international operations (a post which does not require Senate
approval). Some might remember that Abrams pled guilty to two misdemeanor
counts of lying to Congress during the Iran Contra hearings and was
subsequently pardoned by George Bush, Sr.

Though we cannot prevent Abrams' return to prominence, we can keep out
former U.S. Ambassador to Honduras John Negroponte who played a significant
role in the CIA-sponsored terrorism of Hondurans during the Nicaraguan
Contra War. The Bush administration has officially nominated Negroponte to
be U.S. Ambassador to the UN, and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is
preparing to hold nomination hearings before the close of July.

This nomination is particularly egregious now that the international
community has issued a vote of no confidence in U.S. human rights promotion
by dropping our country from the UN Human Rights Commission. John Negroponte
deliberately falsified State Department human rights reports throughout his
time in Honduras. U.S. missionaries and many people of faith and conscience
were murdered by the CIA-trained Honduran Battalion 3-16, which Negroponte
at best overlooked and at worst oversaw. His nomination is an outrage, but
sadly, it will pass through with minimal resistance unless constituents do
something about it.

2) Background of John Negroponte
The New York Times credits John Negroponte with "carrying out the covert
strategy of the Reagan administration to crush the Sandinista government in
Nicaragua" during his tenure as U.S. Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 and
1985. He oversaw the growth of military aid to Honduras from $4 million to
$77.4 million a year. In early 1984, two U.S. mercenaries, Thomas Posey and
Dana Parker, contacted Negroponte, stating they wanted to supply arms to the
Contra army after the U.S. Congress had banned governmental add. Documents
show that Negroponte connected the two with a contact in the Honduran
military. The operation was exposed nine months later, at which point the
Reagan administration denied any U.S. government involvement, despite
Negroponte's contact earlier that year. Other documents uncovered a scheme
of Negroponte and then-Vice President George Bush to funnel Contra aid money
through the Honduran government.

In addition to his work with the Nicaraguan Contra army, Negroponte helped
conceal from Congress the murder, kidnapping and torture abuses of a
CIA-equipped and -trained Honduran military unit, Battalion 3-16. No mention
of these human rights violations ever appeared in State Department Human
Rights reports for Honduras. The Baltimore Sun reports that Efrain Diaz
Arrivillaga, then a delegate in the Honduran Congress and a voice of
dissent, told the Sun that he complained to Negroponte on numerous occasions
about the Honduran military's human rights abuses. Rick Chidester, a junior
embassy official under Negroponte, reported to the Sun that he was forced to
omit an exhaustive gathering of human rights violations from his 1982 State
Department report. Sister Laetitia Bordes went on a fact-finding delegation
to Honduras in May 1982 to investigate the whereabouts of 32 Salvadoran nuns
and women of faith who fled to Honduras in 1981 after Archbishop Oscar
Romero's assassination. Negroponte claimed the embassy knew nothing, but in
1996, Negroponte's predecessor Jack Binns reported that the women had been
captured, tortured, and then crammed into helicopters from which they were
tossed to their deaths.

According to the Los Angeles Times, shortly after Negroponte's nomination
was decided, the U.S. government revoked the visa of General Luis Alonso
Discua Elvir, who was Honduras' deputy ambassador to the UN. General Discua
was the commander of the Battalion during Negroponte's tenure as ambassador.
He has publicly claimed to have information linking Negroponte with the
battalion's activities. His testimony would be invaluable in illuminating
Negroponte's collusion with Honduran opponents on Capitol Hill. In 1994, the
Honduran Human Rights Commission charged Negroponte personally with several
human rights abuses.

On August 27, 1997, CIA Inspector General Frederick P. Hitz released a
211-page classified report entitled "Selected Issues Relating to CIA
Activities in Honduras in the 1980s." This report was partly declassified on
October 22, 1998, in response to persistent demands by the Honduran human
rights ombudsman. You can read parts of the document on the National
Security Archives website. Only senators and their staff who have security
clearance can read the report in its entirety. It is absolutely critical
that every senator read and consider the entire report before approving
Negroponte's nomination. Negroponte is highly respected in diplomatic
circles as "a man who speaks five languages but knows when to keep silent."
Due to his urbane temperament and broad support in the professional
diplomatic field, it will be very tempting for senators to whisk his
nomination through.


3) Suggested Actions
In order to effectively oppose Negroponte's nomination and its tremendous
repercussions, grassroots activists must be vigilant in persistently
communicating their opposition with their senators. At this moment, staffers
for senators on the Foreign Relations Committee are gathering materials and
issuing subpoenas for the hearing on Negroponte's nomination. Due to their
placement on the Foreign Relations Committee, the following senators'
support is particularly important:

Joseph Biden (D), DE, Chair 202-224-5042, senator at biden.senate.gov"
Barbara Boxer (D), CA 202-224-3553, senator at boxer.senate.gov
Christopher Dodd (D), CT 202-224-2823, senator at dodd.senate.gov
Richard Lugar (R), IN 202-224-4814, senator_lugar at lugar.senate.gov
Sam Brownback (R), KS 202-224-6521 senator at brownback.senate.gov
Paul Sarbanes (D), MD 202-224-4524, senator at sarbanes.senate.gov
John Kerry (D), MA 202-224-2742, senator at kerry.senate.gov
Paul Wellstone (D), MN 202- 224-5641, senator at wellstone.senate.gov
Charles Hagel (R), NE 202-224-4224, senator at hagel.senate.gov
Robert Torricelli (D), NJ 202-224-3224, senator at torricelli.senate.gov
Gordon Smith (R), OR 202-224-3753, senator at smith.senate.gov
Lincoln Chafee (R), RI 202-224-2921, senator at chafee.senate.gov
Bill Frist (R), TN 202-224-3344, senator at frist.senate.gov
Russell Feingold (D), WI 202-224-5323, senator at feingold.senate.gov
Craig Thomas (R), WY 202-224-6441, senator at thomas.senate.gov

If you don't live in one of these states, please still call your senator as
the nomination will go to the Senate floor for debate and vote if it is
approved in the Foreign Relations Committee.

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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 01:50:42 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 01:50:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405012350.i41Nog150029@www.god-emil.dk>



>The UK must decide what it wants. It has been anti-European for far too long. If you want out of the EU, go ahead. But let the fog clear up please. Welcome back, Eastern European brothers and sisters! This is a fantastic day!
>Lawrence, Brussels, EU



back - as if you are the DIVINE CHOSEN MOTHER FUCKERS 

unconscious racist maggots









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 01:58:57 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 01:58:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405012358.i41NwvX50050@www.god-emil.dk>


>>The UK must decide what it wants. It has been anti-European for far too long. If you want out of the EU, go ahead. But let the fog clear up please. Welcome back, Eastern European brothers and sisters! This is a fantastic day!
>>Lawrence, Brussels, EU
>
>
>
>back - as if you are the DIVINE CHOSEN MOTHER FUCKERS 
>
>unconscious racist maggots



>How can anyone not rejoice? Onwards to a global union.

How artistic that the same MOTHER FUCKERS komplaining about globalization
are cheering the EU invasion.

As though the occident has any MOTHER FUCKING worth anything to offer.
Backwards MOTHER FUCKERS.













From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 02:16:43 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 02:16:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405020016.i420Ghs50499@www.god-emil.dk>



Whilst new arrivals in EU see an opportunity for their economies by attracting investments and to improve their populations daily bread, the older European country and precisely the capitalism sees fulfilment of the last step on the road of taming their populations. 

Indeed; during the Cold War, European capitalism opted for paying the most part of the comfort of their people so as to maintain a belief in somehow capitalism is better. Now after Berlin wall's fall they don't need to continue in this way and via industrial delocalisation toward these new arrivals they can impose low wages to their population while they delocalise work also. The equation is a levelling down, in other word is time for Europeans to accept the biter reality, time is gone while capitalism pay, now it time to give money back. 
Jacques, Paris



It is rather obvious that the EU was created as a copy of US, in order to be able to compete with the huge US influence in economics and politics. EU has to work out, not because the rich EU countries want to equalize Europe and make it a nice prosperous place for us all, but because they are desperate to gain (or is it regain?) a leading and more influential position in the world and hopefully someday get the place that the US is holding today. 

Since neither Germany, France nor UK can do this by themselves, they need the EU. Why is it all the debate about EU around what the poorer countries have to win from EU, and why do we always avoid talking about what the rich countries' advantages are? Why do we look at these rich countries as the victims of the EU enlargement? 

Who would be so naive to think that they are doing all this (give money to the newcomer EU members, invest in poorer EU countries etc) out of generosity for their poorer neighbours and not for their own interest? Too bad that the states within the EU will never be equal in terms of decision making, or, so to say some will be more equal than others. 

People talk about the economic and income differences between the EU countries, but why don't we talk about the 'below the surface' disparities within the EU? Is the EU really a democratic, capitalistic thing? 
Irina Haivas, Iasi, Romania





The 10 new members have the most to lose by far in this agreement. They have the most economic potential, but their resources will be bought out by wealthier members of the Union. Just as in the United States the rich States will continue to get richer and the poor States will only get poorer no matter how much redistribution of wealth there is. The citizens of the nations like England should be giddy with all the prospects of future economic expansion for their companies and governments. And all you have to give in return is a few low wage jobs to migrants. What a deal.
N Watkins, Washington DC, US




EU expansion is a great idea in theory but since labour restrictions have been applied, basic principles of the EU have been violated. I think Western countries will exploit the Eastern ones; they will take what they want and block what they do not want. EU will never be like the US; 















From arcane at arcanemethods.com  Sun May  2 04:35:53 2004
From: arcane at arcanemethods.com (Bob Cain)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 19:35:53 -0700
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405012358.i41NwvX50050@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405012358.i41NwvX50050@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <40945E89.5040902@arcanemethods.com>



integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

> How artistic that the same MOTHER FUCKERS komplaining about globalization
> are cheering the EU invasion.
> 
> As though the occident has any MOTHER FUCKING worth anything to offer.
> Backwards MOTHER FUCKERS.
> 

Sorry about your coprolalia.  Is there no help possible?


Bob
-- 

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no 
simpler."

                                              A. Einstein



From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May  2 18:36:55 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:36:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Perspectives on Evil -- Issue 4: Reconciliation and Forgiveness
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405021236510.9289@panix3.panix.com>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 22:49:03 +0400
From: Dr. Salwa Ghaly <sghaly at sharjah.ac.ae>
To: walter a davis <davis.65 at osu.edu>, Amosfriedland at aol.com,
     complit01 <complit01 at yahoo.ca>
Subject: Perspectives on Evil -- Issue 4: Reconciliation and Forgiveness


Dear All,

We are pleased to announce that Issue 4 of _Perspectives on Evil and
Human Wickedness_ (PEHW), a special themed edition
entitled "Reconciliation and Forgiveness," is now accessible at
http://www.wickedness.net/ejv1n4.htm

A special thanks to all those of you who contributed articles or art
work.  It has been a pleasure working with each and every one of you.

The next issue is unthemed and slated for Fall 2004 (late November).
For information regarding submissions, visit the journal web site or
write the editors.  Long, short and testimonial articles are sought,
along with art, web art and poetry.  Our journal is still in its
burgeoning phase.  So, please feel free to get involved and to offer
suggestions and feedback.  Letters to the editor appear in a separate
section of the journal.

Thank you for disseminating information on PEHW to colleagues and students.

Kind regards,

Salwa Ghaly
Co-editor
PEHW





From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 18:30:29 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:30:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405021630.i42GUTZ51409@www.god-emil.dk>




>hallo
>
>when I use the film.set message with 242.film to select different 
>movs which are loaded, I always receive output of frame number 1 of 
>the mov, regardless of what frame.set message has been specified 
>previously to turning the object on (after putting it in bypass or 
>off (int 0), switching movs, frame.set, then int 1).
>
>is there a way to _not_ have frame one output from 242.film when 
>using film.set message?  

ne.

your options

1. hate it
2. love it
3. leave it


>I would like to  

"[HE] who loves must have the cruelty, the will and the force to destroy pre-loves"


>think you might answer this 
>nato question, I would greatly appreciate it if you could find the 
>time to answer.  thanks very much.

bye bye


szzzzzzzzzzzzz - suffering macht ganz glucklich + frei ... `only very wise lovers know their last station`





                                        the lilac on the table stretched forth
                                        to touch your lids with heavenly blue
                                        and your blue tinted lids
                                            were calm and your hand was warm


                                                                         ||






auriea

>I am God

Open the altar gates 2x















From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 18:37:45 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:37:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405021637.i42GbjV51425@www.god-emil.dk>





>http://www.wickedness.net/ejv1n4.htm


2. The Tragic Nature of Reality
Persons can be guilty of harming others without at any time having malevolent intent.
Furthermore, persons with the best of intentions can harm others. One must come to the
realization that forgiveness may be necessary even if the person or persons to be forgiven could
not have acted otherwise (and at no time possessed malevolent intent). An example of such a
paradoxical scenario would be the person who is unable to love (i.e. that a person is unable to
recognize the true needs of another). Such a person may feign the characteristics he or she simply
does not possess, but will still, in the end, be incapable of loving another.


romantik lv kikx++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



>The tragic nature of such a condition

more occident bla bla. POWER = XYLV












From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May  2 19:38:28 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:38:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: origin of life 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405021338200.4527@panix3.panix.com>



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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  2 22:45:42 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:45:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405022045.i42Kjg751670@www.god-emil.dk>



we celebrated each moment
of our meetings as a revelation
alone in all the world

you were lighter and bolder than the wing of a bird
flying down the stairs two at a time
pure giddiness leading me through moist lilac

to your domain
beyond the looking glass

when night fell 
i was favored
the altar gates were opened
and in the dark there gleamed
your nudity and slowly bowed
awakening `be blessed` i said
and knew my blessing to be bold

for you still slept

the lilac on the table stretched forth
to touch your lids with heavenly blue
and your blue tinted lids
were calm and your hand was warm



from the book of scents








From media at ezaic.de  Sun May  2 23:19:57 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 23:19:57 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405021630.i42GUTZ51409@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405021630.i42GUTZ51409@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a0600200bbcbb14e11330@[213.23.154.155]>

>
>"[HE] who loves must have the cruelty, the will and the force to 
>destroy pre-loves"

She, who loves accepts the cruelty, the will and the force that 
potentially destroy pre-loves

?


>
>
>szzzzzzzzzzzzz - suffering macht ganz glucklich + frei ... `only 
>very wise lovers know their last station`
>
>
>
>
>
>                                         the lilac on the table stretched forth
>                                         to touch your lids with heavenly blue
>                                         and your blue tinted lids
>                                             were calm and your hand was warm
>
>
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>
>
>
>

                                          szzzzzzzzzzzz - simply 
seriously constructed believe system



From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May  3 00:57:45 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:57:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: passion-8
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405021857350.15953@panix2.panix.com>



passion-8

http://www.asondheim.org/passion.mov

a small movie of the Passion of Christ according to me
for which great thanks to Sandy Baldwin
but I will take all responsibility for this depiction
which is so radical I mean it is really 'beyond radical'
but then not like the current right and left
meeting at the nexus or stage of violence and fury
no instead it takes the swooped swooned soul
and send it outward to the outer space of heaven
it is better than good and grander than grand
there are so many good folks to thank
who made me what I am today that I can only send out
a Shout of this film to one and all
now sit back and watch the Action

_



From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May  3 00:58:32 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:58:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: passion-8
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405021857530.15953@panix2.panix.com>



passion-8

http://www.asondheim.org/passion.mov

a small movie of the Passion of Christ according to me
for which great thanks to Sandy Baldwin
but I will take all responsibility for this depiction
which is so radical I mean it is really 'beyond radical'
but then not like the current right and left
meeting at the nexus or stage of violence and fury
no instead it takes the swooped swooned soul
and send it outward to the outer space of heaven
it is better than good and grander than grand
there are so many good folks to thank
who made me what I am today that I can only send out
a Shout of this film to one and all
now sit back and watch the Action

_



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May  3 07:18:33 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 07:18:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405030518.i435IXc52597@www.god-emil.dk>


>>"[HE] who loves must have the cruelty, the will and the force to 
>>destroy pre-loves"
>
>She, who loves accepts the cruelty, the will and the force that 
>potentially destroy pre-loves
>
>?

dar accepta el viata cotidiana +?







From JSalloum at aol.com  Mon May  3 08:41:19 2004
From: JSalloum at aol.com (JSalloum at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 02:41:19 EDT
Subject: Exit Art: Salloum video screenings (iii)
Message-ID: <1d0.1fd7f617.2dc7438f@aol.com>


(as if) beauty never ends.." and other works from the ongoing video project, 
'untitled'

Jayce Salloum videotape screenings at Exit Art
Saturday May 8 - 6:30 & 7:30 pm
475 Tenth Ave.
New York
(212) 966-7745
info at exitart.org


6:30 pm: untitled part 2: beauty and the east
7:30 pm: introduction to the 'untitled' project by Jayce Salloum.
7:50 pm: untitled part 3b (as if) beauty never ends, and untitled part 1: 
everything and nothing

Jayce Salloum will present his "untitled" project, an ongoing videotape 
addressing social and political realities, representations, enunciations, and the 
conditions of living between polarities of culture, geography, history, and 
ideology. In part 1: everything and nothing (1999-2001, 40 mins.), Salloum, 
off-camera, talks with Soha Bechara, the ex-Lebanese National Resistance fighter 
who was detained for 10 years in the notorious El-Khiam torture and 
interrogation center in South Lebanon. In a riveting and intimate conversation, Salloum 
inquires about home, being interviewed to death, resistance, survival, and the 
distance between Paris, where Bechara now lives, and Khiam. In part 2: beauty 
and the east (1999-2002, 50 mins.), Salloum turns obliquely to the former 
Yugoslavia after the NATO bombing. In a kaleidoscope of interviews, refugees, 
migrants, asylum seekers, and cultural producers address topics ranging from 
identity and fascism to nationalism and monsters. In both anecdotal and theoretical 
recountings, they lay out the issues currently at stake in this region of 
displacement and redefinition; their words are located within images of cities and 
landscapes. Also shown will be part 3: (as if) beauty never ends.. (2003, 11 
mins.), in which ambient footage including a montage of orchids blooming and 
material from the site of the 1982 massacres at Lebanon's Sabra and Shatilla 
refugee camps are juxtaposed with the voice Abdel Majid Fadl Ali Hassan (a 1948 
refugee living in Bourg El Barajneh) recounting a story told by the rubble of 
his home in Palestine. The tape permeates into an essay on dystopia in 
contemporary times, and provides an elegiac response to the Palestinian 
dispossession.



---


Since 1975 Salloum has been working in installation, photography, mixed media 
and video, as well as curating exhibitions, conducting workshops and 
coordinating cultural projects. He has lectured internationally and exhibited 
extensively throughout the Americas, Europe, East Asia and the Middle East, at 
institutions including The Museum of Modern Art, New York; American Fine Arts; 
Artists Space; National Gallery of Canada; Canadian Museum of Contemporary 
Photography; Canadian Museum of Civilization; New Langton Arts; Los Angeles Center for 
Photographic Studies; Long Beach Museum of Art; Walker Arts Center; The Wexner 
Center; YYZ Artists Outlet; A Space; Contemporary Art Gallery & Western 
Front, Vancouver; Optica Gallery; Dazibzo; Mois De La Photo à Montréal; Miyagi 
Museum of Contemporary Art; Hara Museum of Contemporary Art; Kunstlerhaus 
Bethanien; Werkleitz Bienniel; Galerie Nationale du Jeu de Paume; American Centre, 
Paris; Cinematheque Française; Institute du Monde Arabe; Espace Lyonnais d'Art 
Contemporain; Shedhalle; Rote Fabrik; Rotterdam International Film Festival; 
Singapore International Film Festival; British Film Institute; Museo Nacional 
Centro De Arte Reina Sofia; Museo de Arte Contemporáneo, Seville; CaixaForum, 
Barcelona; and Théatre de Beyrouth. In 2003 he represented Canada at the 8th 
Havana Biennial.




for more information on Salloum?s work:
www.111101.net/Artworks/JayceSalloum/
www.vdb.org/smackn.acgi$artistdetail?SALLOUMJ
www.civilisations.ca/cultur/cespays/images/pay2_20p5.jpg
www.lot.at/politics/contributions/s_jayce1.htm
www.wwvf.nl/2001/0newarabvideo.htm



video distribution:
Video Data Bank, Chicago, ph:(312) 345-3550, fx:(312) 541-8073, info at vdb.org, 
www.vdb.org
V Tape, Toronto, Canada, ph:(416) 351-1317, distribution at vtape.org, 
www.vtape.org
Video Out, Vancouver, ph:(604)872-8337, videoout at telus.net, www.videoout.ca
Heure Exquise!, France, ph:(33)20-04-95-74, exquise at nordnet.fr, 
www.exquise.org
Argos, Brussels, Belgium, ph:(32) 2 229-0003, fx: 223-7331, 
info at argosarts.org, www.argosarts.org
Lux, London, England, ph: (44 207) 503 3980, info at lux.org.uk, www.lux.org.uk

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From contact at diesel-new-art.com  Mon May  3 13:34:21 2004
From: contact at diesel-new-art.com (Diesel New Art)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:34:21 +0200
Subject: Urgent Call - Diesel New Art reward
Message-ID: <BCBBFADC.4F61%contact@diesel-new-art.com>

Enter Diesel New Art now if you have any new art work/web site that is
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will be part of the short list for getting 2000 Euro as well as
representation in the Swedish and Danish art galleries.

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Gallerist




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May  3 18:17:41 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:17:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405031617.i43GHea53215@www.god-emil.dk>


"They were trying to humiliate us, break our pride. We are men. It's OK if they beat me. Beatings don't hurt us, it's just a blow. But no one would want their manhood to be shattered," he said.

"They wanted us to feel as though we were women, the way women feel and this is the worst insult, to feel like a woman," al-Shweiri said.




more smiles. ameri.cans are making you feel LOVVVVVVVVEEEEE mmmmmmaaaaaan


Allah - turning men into women since time immemorial


the closer a man comes to being a god the closer he comes to being a woman







From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May  3 18:59:53 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:59:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405031659.i43Gxrs53255@www.god-emil.dk>


>>  >>"[HE] who loves must have the cruelty, the will and the force to
>>>>destroy pre-loves"
>>>
>>>She, who loves accepts the cruelty, the will and the force that
>>>potentially destroy pre-loves
>>>
>>>?
>>
>>dar accepta el viata cotidiana +?
>>
>
>est-ce qu'elle acceptera la vie quotidien ?


private conversations = la vie quotidien++


>how tenderness suddenly gets associated to vacuum cleaners and alike ?

da. in epoca `noastra` extraordinar de moderna viata cotidiana este singurul motiv pentru a iubi

zorg este de acord - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090563/
betty a inteles cartile lui, care ridicau viata cotidiana la un nivel literar
in acelasi timp ea a incercat se se ridice la un nivel `divin` - sa fie mama. sa dea viata. dar nu a reusit.
.....


1x aspirator submersed in joy








From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May  3 20:42:31 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:42:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: oo distillation
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405031442170.2707@panix3.panix.com>



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From to-me at mi2.hr  Mon May  3 22:29:55 2004
From: to-me at mi2.hr (tomislav medak)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:29:55 +0200
Subject: symposium > Group Dynamics > Zagreb - Cultural Kapital of Europe
 3000
Message-ID: <4096ABC3.8070506@mi2.hr>

Zagreb-Cultural Kapital of Europe 3000


GROUP DYNAMICS SYMPOSIUM

06.-09. 05. 2004.
Kino Lika, Ilica 10, Zagreb, Croatia

The international interdisciplinary symposium Group Dynamics explores the
aspects of research and presentation connected to the phenomenon of artist
groups and different aspects of collective work and collectivity. The
symposium is conceived as a commencement of long term addressing of the
issues of organization and self-organization, grouping, collectives and
relating in a wider field of cultural production. As this is a very
heterogeneous phenomenon, we have decided to invite a number of eminent
theatre scholars, but also theoreticians from the fields of philosophy,
architecture, art history, and artists who practice in specific types of
organized groups, to participate in the symposium. 
Topics:
-affects and relations in group work
-self-organization and non-hierarchical forms of public presence
-group politicality
-group as an event
-collectivism
-group utopias
-production of common
-group as a market of interests


Contact:
Ivana Ivkovic
ivanai at net.hr
+385-91-578-8486


Thursday, 6. May 2004

16:00 Gob Squad 
17:00 Ric Allsopp: Itinerant Pages , David Williams: other/wise
18:00 Marten Spangberg: A half-second delay 

21:00 united dancers of ZUGA Walking Home Solo-performance

21:00-24:00 Community Art: Films as a consequence of group
dynamics-invitation to screenings and discussion

* groodanje-A/V team


Friday, 7. May 2004

10:00 Alan Read: Proxy Performance: The Politics of Props 
11:00 Bojana Kunst: Group Jouissance: Organisation of Happiness and
Exhaustion
12:00 Hans-Thies Lehmann: Spaces of 'communitas' in postdramatic theatre
and performance practice

16:00 Charles Esche: Friendly Enemies
17:00 Andrea Kuluncic: Distributive Justice
Georg Schoelhammer- moderation of discussion
18:00 Bojana Cvejic, Emil Hrvatin: Collect-if

21:00 k .o./ex OBEPYU: Private in Vitro-performance

22:00 OOUR: orangecut-performance

21:00-24:00 Community Art: Films as a consequence of group
dynamics-invitation to screenings and discussion

* groodanje-A/V team


Saturday, 8. may 2004

10:00 Adrian Heathfield: Hearing Others
Ric Allsopp, Alan Read, David Williams-discussion
12:00 Nebojsa Jovanovic: Collective and Creativity: Diversion of
Identification
13:00 Miran Mohar: East Art Map

16:00 Tomislav Medak: Incommunicado
17:00 Bojana Cvejic, Ana Vujanovic (TkH)
18:00 Alan Read, Platforma 9,81-live interview

21:00 BADco. Ivana Sajko: RibCage-performance

21:00-24:00 Community Art: Films as a consequence of group
dynamics-invitation to screenings and discussion

* groodanje-A/V team


Sunday, 9. May 2004

10:00 Oda Projesi
11:00 Dragan Zivadinov: Postgravitational Art 
12:00 Aldo Milohnic, Marin Blazevic, Goran Sergej Pristas, Tomislav Medak,
Ivana Ivkovic-discussion

20:00 Gob Squad Room Service Help Me Make it Through the Night-performance
(Hotel Laguna, Kranjceviceva 29)
* a part of the ex UrbanFestival


installations:

Goran Petercol: GOVOR/SPEECH, 2004.
Vlatka Horvat & Tim Etchels: Insults & Praises, 2003.
k. o./ex OBEPYU: work-in-progress-Roland Barthes: Lovers&#8217; discourse



 
Zagreb-Cultural Kapital of Europe 3000 takes place in the framework of
relations
relations is a project initiated by Kulturstiftung des Bundes (Federal
Cultural Foundation, Germany)
www.projekt-relations.de

 
Kontakt. The Arts and Civil Society Program of Erste Bank Group in Central
Europe. 


Symposium supported by:

Gradski ured za kulturu Grada Zagreba
Ministarstvo kulture RH
British Council
Goethe Institute





From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May  4 03:48:10 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:48:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Landscape Sonneta
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405032148010.7917@panix3.panix.com>



Landscape Sonneta

The enormous strombuliform building was shaped like a dwelling in the form
of a top. Yellow-crossgas spewed like mustard gas foaming from the roof.
Next door was a lumper unloading a ship like a workman emptying a boat.
Next to the workman was a grindstone producing swarf and a grinder making
grit. Zygal struts like H-shaped scaffolding connected the swarf-pile to
the lumper-spaddle or workman-shovel. The dataller or daily lumper was in
reality a ruffler or beggar posing as a maimed soldier. His art was buhl
creation like metal inlay. An aeolipile connected to the swarf-maker
relayed its steam-power statistics to the strombuliform structure. Several
lumper noticed suricates or a kind of mongoose stumbling from the yellow.
The horse-touter nearby spoke first. Maladroit lumpers, he proffered with
customary incommunicability, an eleot, or apple-type is yours. The lumpers
carried newels or staircase-parts; neverthemore would they throw the
rodlet. Swellish in swan-skin, they continued their gymnical hackery.


_



From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May  4 08:34:35 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 02:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fifth] 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405040234280.2797@panix3.panix.com>



[Fifth]

Why I can never sleep and never will know, I won't at this rate, it's a
mystery. I worry the world, continually try to grasp it in its entirety,
miss things left and right, question authority, question the grounds and
desire of authority, generally make things worse - I can't let go, feel I
have to recreate, make the world over and over again... It's an
occurrence, something like an atmosphere that accompanies me, makes
others uneasy as I stumble hopelessly through life. At this point, there
are so many voices, so many scripts of things going wrong - the world not
only falls apart, but it _ceases to exist_ - meaning decathects as
depression and worse set in. This sounds abstract, but isn't; it's
dominated by one or another scenario that compulsively repeats and
develops until the nightmare appears, everything collapses, the story
changes to another, and the cycle repeats. This occurs through sleep and
wakeful states, hypnagogic states as well - it's _there_ as a process in
all its fury. There's no end to it; I'm left in a constant state of
exhaustion, no matter how hard I try to write myself out of it...

Tue May  4 02:32:56 EDT 2004


_



From ctgr at free.fr  Tue May  4 11:27:23 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:27:23 +0200
Subject: [pavu.com] laptoPlancha -Adieu commissaire ! 
Message-ID: <3FCD5757-9DAD-11D8-AA3C-000393B03010@free.fr>

<! scroll down for english -->

chers confrères et cons?urs,

Tout commence par la politique.
C'est pourquoi il est bon de renouveler le vocabulaire.
C'est donc au Sheriff d'exposition qu'il incombera désormais de 
démontrer que - oui - les arts numériques peuvent être exposés.
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Et pour celles et ceux d'entre vous n'ayant pu assister à la 
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pavu.com présente
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une introduction à la philosophie post prométhéenne
full coverage


wishing you the best always

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http://www.pavu.com/
-/ no need fire to blow the lighter ! /-

???????????????????

Dear friends and colleagues,

Everything begins with politics.
Therefore the lexicon must be renewed.
 From now on, the exhibition Sheriff will be in charge of proving that 
digital arts can indeed be exhibited.
Because such a political responsibility cannot be taken rashly, 
pavu.com did its utmost to identify the essential requirements to such 
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For those of you who couldn't attend the april 25 pavu.com lecture at 
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an introduction to the post promethean philosophy
full coverage


wishing you the best always

LA pavu.com Team
http://www.pavu.com/
-/ no need fire to blow the lighter ! /-

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From noemata at kunst.no  Tue May  4 12:02:34 2004
From: noemata at kunst.no (The Anyhr-ISBN-PNG Project)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:02:34 +0200
Subject: astpriem j update
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From c at ezaic.de  Tue May  4 12:44:26 2004
From: c at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:44:26 +0200
Subject: Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09
Message-ID: <a06002004bcbd243a0373@[82.82.97.208]>

Homage to Artavazd Peleshian

Film screening

Sun 09 May 2004

ZKM-Media Theater | 7.30 pm | ¤ 4,50/2,50


Homage to... is the title the ZKM | Film Institut 
has given to a series of retrospectives devoted 
to prominent figures in the world of the cinema.

The Armenian director Artavazd Peleshian (b. 1938 
in Leninakan) ranks as the last great innovator 
in the field of cinema montage. Jean-Luc Godard 
regards him as the most important contemporary 
film-maker and Francis Ford Coppola has 
unreserved admiration for him. His epoch-making 
oeuvre spanning a period of 40 years comprises 
just 12 films of short to medium length, all of 
which consist only of music and pictures. If a 
film without actors is the definition of a 
documentary film in the broadest sense of the 
word, Peleshian's works have given this genre its 
supreme artistic expression.

he director will be present for the showing of 
nine of his films, which in view of the fact that 
the other three have been lost is tantamount to a 
complete retrospective. It is the first to be 
staged in the German-speaking countries. An 
introduction will be given by Andrei Ujica.




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May  4 13:02:09 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:02:09 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09
References: <a06002004bcbd243a0373@[82.82.97.208]>
Message-ID: <19ef01c431c7$410228d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

oh Great!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "claudia westermann" <c at ezaic.de>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09


> Homage to Artavazd Peleshian
>
> Film screening
>
> Sun 09 May 2004
>
> ZKM-Media Theater | 7.30 pm | ¤ 4,50/2,50
>
>
> Homage to... is the title the ZKM | Film Institut
> has given to a series of retrospectives devoted
> to prominent figures in the world of the cinema.
>
> The Armenian director Artavazd Peleshian (b. 1938
> in Leninakan) ranks as the last great innovator
> in the field of cinema montage. Jean-Luc Godard
> regards him as the most important contemporary
> film-maker and Francis Ford Coppola has
> unreserved admiration for him. His epoch-making
> oeuvre spanning a period of 40 years comprises
> just 12 films of short to medium length, all of
> which consist only of music and pictures. If a
> film without actors is the definition of a
> documentary film in the broadest sense of the
> word, Peleshian's works have given this genre its
> supreme artistic expression.
>
> he director will be present for the showing of
> nine of his films, which in view of the fact that
> the other three have been lost is tantamount to a
> complete retrospective. It is the first to be
> staged in the German-speaking countries. An
> introduction will be given by Andrei Ujica.
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 13:06:22 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Tue,  4 May 2004 13:06:22 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09
In-Reply-To: <19ef01c431c7$410228d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <a06002004bcbd243a0373@[82.82.97.208]> <19ef01c431c7$410228d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083668782.4097792e8ddaa@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> oh Great!

Btw, Aliette
did you unsub from all those horrible moderated mailing lists that were keeping 
you down ? did you, this once, put your feet where your mouth was ?

f.



From replic88t at replic88t.net  Tue May  4 15:24:34 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:24:34 +0100
Subject: replic**t
In-Reply-To: <40978352.3000608@furtherfield.org>
References: <200404291525.i3TFPTG25913@raq3-2.netraxx.de> <40937061.C457D3B6@medialounge.org> <4093E68B.2020402@krokodile.co.uk> <40963ED3.1030805@myrealbox.com> <a05210603bcbc2d9f3818@[10.3.252.43]> <40978352.3000608@furtherfield.org>
Message-ID: <62A00919-9DCE-11D8-B9A4-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>


hello fans, shareholders et all

back, new, all improved, replic**t, version 10.4.3.7.0.1.


see you tonight. 9pm BST

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Replic**t?
A product of her environment.




From eric.m at bobig.com  Tue May  4 18:18:27 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 18:18:27 +0200
Subject: I love you
Message-ID: <4097C253.1040406@bobig.com>

http://www.bobig.com/amour/

Ceci est un projet de Bobig
http://www.bobig.com/daily/projets.htm

rigolote translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bobig.com%2Famour&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools





From media at ezaic.de  Tue May  4 19:04:58 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 19:04:58 +0200
Subject: pour une impatience libre
In-Reply-To: <4097C253.1040406@bobig.com>
References: <4097C253.1040406@bobig.com>
Message-ID: <a06002000bcbd7bd28b06@[82.83.224.72]>


>  03/05/2004 : Envoi de ma première lettre 
>d'amour à Pierre M. J'attends sa réponse avec
>  impatience.



http://www.alchymed.com/articles.asp?id_article=511






From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May  4 20:49:46 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:49:46 +0200
Subject: bilingual explanation instead of panoptical vision
Message-ID: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

(English-US below)

Il est regrettable de devoir annoncer son curriculum vitae comme à devoir
présenter sa carte de visite devant l'attitude obsessionnellement aggravée
et dégradante de monsieur Fabre qui perd son temps à essayer de frimer en
m'humiliant. Il ferait mieux de s'occuper de ses propres affaires, plutôt
que de juger régi par la haine et l'aigreur des textes toujours trop longs
ou d'un d'un mot toujours trop court pour lui puisque ce sont les miens ;
(pour une fois que je faisais court)

Fabre je ne le connais pas, je ne l'ai jamais vu de ma vie, je ne sais même
pas à quoi il ressemble sauf par mail, et il parle de moi comme si nous
avions couché ensemble quand j'étais encore baisable ;-))) Voilà parfois on
a envie de devenir vulgaire devant les orifices aussi étroits d'un si grand
génie qui prétend en raconter à une grand mère, certes vulgaire et certes
indigne...

Tous les curriculum vitae ne sont pas en ligne ni dans les registres ; les
miens peuvent facilement se vérifier en contactant les personnes nommées
ici - sauf les morts.

Je fais partie des gens qui ont soutenu activement- et publié à ce propos
dans une revue de la diaspora - l'association arménienne de Serge Avédikian
né à Erevan émigré en France et qui retourna faire un film de deux heures en
Arménie, "Que sont mes camarades devenus ?" et Jacques Kébadian qui signa le
film qui fut diffusé sur la chaîne de télévision A2 puis rediffusé sur Arte,
respectivement acteur et cinéaste puis producteurs, qui ont fait connaître
en France au début des années 80 aux années 90 la spécificité d'une
sensibilité arménienne dont expérimentale du cinéma soviétique et qui, les
premiers, ont permis d'organiser l'invitation d'Arthur Péléchian en France ;
(son oeuvre s'imposa comme elle se serait de toutes façons imposée
d'elle-même). Par conséquent non content d'avoir partie de son travail, j'ai
pu le croiser sans échange particulier, parce que je me trouvais là... De
plus j'ai été formée dans le cinéma au contact de Guy Cavagnac qui a monté
le festival de Gindou ; enfin, j'ai été invitée par René Allio à constituer
deux scénarios dans le cadre du Centre Méditerranéen de Création
cinématographique, qui chaque année tenait un festival exceptionnel des
cinémas du Sud y compris le Sud soviétique... où je ne pense pas me souvenir
que Péléchian ait été programmé, sinon précisément là je l'aurais manqué,
mais où j'ai pu également en entendre parler.

Pour le reste du curriculum vitae je vous épargne des détails des progrès et
des diversités interdisciplinaires ; j'ai peut-être bien fait tout les
métiers dans ma vie sauf arpenter le trottoir, car je n'ai jamais su faire
l'amour que par amour et par plaisir Donc avec peu de partenaires au bout du
compte - si l'on compte ;-) Sans doute est-ce la raison principale pour
laquelle Nathalie Magnan alias propriétaire (?) de nettime.fr depuis la
dissolution du comité samizdat, - ou alors ce n'est vraiment pas clair - me
déteste,  (je lui fais pitié alors pourquoi me craint-elle ? balançant des
rumeurs assez infâmes sur moi quant à mon éventuelle interdiction des
listes, étrangement les mêmes que Fabre a colportées à mon arrivée ici) -
puisque seules les putes non soumises l'intéressent au titre du cas social
activiste. or, de mon côté perso je ne m'occupe pas des orifices des autres
mais en d'autre temps défendant âprement le droit néanmoins respectable
d'expression des miens :) Sinon je ne vois pas d'autres raisons de haine et
de harcèlement épisodique (c'est épidermique et rampant comme le racisme),
si ce n'est qu'elle cotoie monsieur Fabre, (ceci pouvant expliquer cela) on
a du en voir des traces ici (sinon je n'en parlerais pas).

Que les chiens aboient pendant que la caravane passe ne l'empêche pas de
poursuivre  ; j'aime la culture arabe qui ne m'a jamais fait porter le voile
ce qui me vaut aussi de belles cabalistiques :)

Pardonnez moi le ton mais comment faire autrement ?

Encore une fois je vous prie de m'excuser de ma mini-bio (un fragment) et
vous embrasse,
(c'est la ciboule qui roule...)

Aliette

PS. Ah oui, j'ai toujours trouvé complètement "cucul" le jeu de mot "les
chiennes de garde" quand on sait ce que cela pourrait signifier chez Nizan,
dont les filles n'ont pas manqué le titre, lui conférant a contrario un
statut positif - toujours le défi sans qualité des jeux de mot -, loin du
guetteur chez Edmond Jabès, peut-être ? chez Nizan, qui les hait : ce sont
les cadres équivalents aux flics ; pas de surprise quant à la perte de la
fin en cours des moyens de ceux qui se définissent à l'égide des chiens de
garde même pour rire, donc.

Et dernier truc,j'ai entendu récemment dans la conférence de Lacan à
Caracas, sa dernière conférence avant sa mort où il parle du corps, mais
avant, quelque chose de formidable sur le symbolique - ce qui nous désempare
justement - en quoi réside le statut de l'altérité, exclusivement... rompez
un pacte symbolique et l'altérité vous déserte, ou devient une altérité
radicale : mais c'est peut-être vous qui la consitituez ? y a qu'à voir les
américains et l'Islam... et si j'étais l'arabe de Magnan et de Fabre, moi
qui ne sait pas couper réellement les couilles aux mecs ?

Merci Bobig, ton truc sur l'amour c'est très joli, une très bonne idée vu
l'amertume ambiante (mais qu'est-ce que je lui ai fait à Fabre ? chais pas
!)

===========
Sorry on my bad english speaking


It is unuseful to must announce its curriculum vitae as to have to present
its visiting card in front of Mister fabre's obsessionnally and degrading
attitude and who wastes his time trying to show off by humbling me. He would
better make take charge of his own cases, rather than to consider governed
by the hatred and the sourness of texts always too long or one of the word
always too short for him because they are mine; (for once I made short:)

Fabre I do not know him, I have never seen him of my life, I do not even
know what he looks like except by e-mail, and he speaks about me as if we
had slept together when I was still good for love;-))) here is sometimes we
want to become vulgar in front of the openings so narrow of a so big genius
which claims to tell in big one mother, certainly vulgar and certainly
despicable...

Every curriculum vitae are not on-line nor in registers; mine can easily
come true by contacting the nominees here - except the deaths.

I am a part of people who supported actively and published on this matter in
a review of the Diaspora - Serge Avédikian's Armenian association born in
Erevan emigrated into France and which returned to make a film of two hours
in Armenia, " that are my become companions? " And Jacques Kébadian who
signed the film which was diffused on the television channel A2 then rerun
on Arte, respectively actor and film-maker then producers; they made known,
in France, at the beginning of the 80s in the 90s, the specificity of an
Armenian sensibility of which experimental of the Soviet cinema was
singularly interesting, and the first ones they allowed to organize Arthur
Péléchian's invitation in France; (his work stood out as it would have been
imperativein any case of itself). Consequently not satisfied to have left
his work, I was able to cross him without particular exchange, because I was
there... Furthermore I was formed in the cinema in the contact of Guy
Cavagnac which went up the festival of Gindou; finally, I was invited by
René Allio to establish two scenarios within the framework of the
Mediterranean Center of film Creation, which every year held an exceptional
festival of the cinemas of the South including the Soviet South, and where I
do not think of remembering that Péléchian was scheduled, otherwise exactly
there I would have missed him, but where I was also able to hear about him.

For the rest of the curriculum vitae I spare you details of the progress and
the interdisciplinary varieties; I maybe made well everything the
professions in my life exlusiving to measure the pavement (as we say in
matter of prostitute), because I have never known how to make love or only
by love and by pleasure...  Thus with few partners after all - if we
count;-)
Doubtless it is the main reason for which Nathalie Magnan alias owner (?) of
nettime.fr since the dissolution of the committee samizdat, - or then it is
not really clear - hates me, (I make her pity then why is she afraid of me?
Rocking rather vile rumours on me as for my possible ban on lists, strangely
the same that Fabre spread in my arrival here) - because only the not
subdued whores interest her in conformance with the special interest of
hacktivist on the socially disadvantaged persons to be helped.

Now, from my part perso I do not take charge of openings of the others but
of the other time defending piercingly the nevertheless respectable right of
expression of mine:) otherwise I do not see the other reasons of hatred and
occasional harassment (it is epidermic and crawling as the racism) that they
havec against me, except that she plays any games on conferences with mister
Fabre, (this being able to explain their viral position about me), we have
of to see tracks here (otherwise I would not speak about it).

That dogs barking while the caravan passes do not prevent it from pursuing;
I like the Arabic culture which has never made me wear the veil what is also
worth me of beautiful kabalistic:)
Forgive me the tone but how for making otherwise?

Once again I do apologize for my mini--bio ( a fragment) and embraces you,

(it is the spring onion which runs)

Aliette

PS. Ah yes, I always found completely " cucul " the play on words " the
bitches guarding " because the french title means "the guarding dogs " when
we know what it could mean at Paul Nizan's sense, whom the girls did not
miss the title, conferring him a contrario a positive status far from the
lookout at Edmond Jabès, maybe? At Nizan, who hates them: they are
executives persons equivalent to the cops of the society - that persons we
fight against to get free; No surprise as for the loss of the end in the
course of the means of those who define themselves in the aegis of the guard
dogs to laugh, thus.

And last thing, I listened recently in the conference from Lacan to Caracas,
his last conference before his death where he speaks about the body, but
before, about something formidable on symbolism - What makes a break to us
exactly - in what lies the status of the otherness exclusively, (imagine
what canmean for us all our broken a symbolistic politically, sociallly and
cultural pacts as the otherness would leaves us, this way, or becomes a
radical otherness: but it is maybe you (us) who consititute it? Has there
that to see the Americans and the Islamic people and if I was Arabic of
Magnan and Fabre, me who does not know how to cut really testicles to the
guys?

 Thank you Bobig, your trick on love that is very attractive, it has really
there which miss to be also narrow-minded as that I have to defend me on.





From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May  4 21:35:27 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:35:27 +0200
Subject: any poem to say good night
Message-ID: <1c3d01c4320e$f40b78e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

any complement:

f abre and l adre m(akes) m(iser) not mister m adre


'of course of the source




From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May  4 23:01:43 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: hollo hollor boo boo
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041701340.29250@panix3.panix.com>




hollo hollor boo boo

oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
bot ghosts cooo olwoys bock ono forioos
coworo, foorfol of ony
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
on obovo tho cliffs or ovor
or soootioo lost oy
pictoro. in 1943 i wos
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo. i oion't know bottor oboot
to work oot tho rolotions with oy
onbooroblo. soxoolity bocooo o forioos
violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
born ono lotor in 1967
bot ghosts cooo olwoys bock ono forioos
coworo, foorfol of ony
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
on obovo tho cliffs or ovor
or soootioo lost oy
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo.

i oion't know bottor oboot
onbooroblo. soxoolity bocooo o forioos
violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
worlo. i still livo thoro; i'o o
oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
born ono lotor in 1967
bot ghosts cooo olwoys bock ono forioos
coworo, foorfol of ony
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
on obovo tho cliffs or ovor
or soootioo lost oy
pictoro. in 1943 i wos
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo.

i oion't know bottor oboot
to work oot tho rolotions with oy
onbooroblo. soxoolity bocooo o forioos
violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
worlo. i still livo thoro; i'o o
oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
bot ghosts cooo olwoys bock ono forioos
coworo, foorfol of ony
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
nonfictionolly. i'vo soon for too ooch
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
or soootioo lost oy
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo.

i oion't know bottor oboot
to work oot tho rolotions with oy
onbooroblo. soxoolity bocooo o forioos
violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
worlo. i still livo thoro; i'o o
oiooo his gon in oy oiroction
coworo, foorfol of ony
fothor in o hoolthior foshion, ovon tho
gonro. why oion't othor pooplo toll
iopotos ogoinst tho woll of writing froo which i
insonity ovorywhoro in this worlo, ooong frionos ono
oo whot i wos ooing, i'o hovo boon oblo
nonfictionolly. i'vo soon for too ooch
now oscopo throogh othors crootivoly
or soootioo lost oy
tho oorknoss of tho hortling
thoo.

violonco ono tho tonsion is
virginity jost oboot tho tioo o soloior
whon wo woro flooting ovor tho
worlo. i still livo thoro; i'o o


_



From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 23:02:06 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:02:06 +0200
Subject: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this century...
In-Reply-To: <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
References: <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com>
 <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>

At 22:53 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>I almost did that, but then I heard the third Jet single and it was an
>utterly horrifying power ballad.  Let me know how the rest of the
>album is.

it's great.
actually, I bought it on the strength of the singer's coughing during the 
intro of the (I think) first single. I thought that was absolutely 
brilliant and I played the album a great deal of times each time marvelling 
again at that cough in the intro of "are you gonna be my girl ?" which is 
anyway a great track. Other than that I also think that every great r*ck 
album should have one horrifying power ballad and that this is what makes a 
great album go up to brilliant.

still, I listen to Destroyer's "your blues" every day since I bought it and 
I wonder why you don't.

f. 




From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 23:03:48 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:03:48 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this
  century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com>
 <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>

let's pretend I did not send this to the wrong mailing list, again, ok ?

f.

At 23:02 04/05/2004, Frederic Madre wrote:
>At 22:53 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>>I almost did that, but then I heard the third Jet single and it was an
>>utterly horrifying power ballad.  Let me know how the rest of the
>>album is.
>
>it's great.
>actually, I bought it on the strength of the singer's coughing during the 
>intro of the (I think) first single. I thought that was absolutely 
>brilliant and I played the album a great deal of times each time 
>marvelling again at that cough in the intro of "are you gonna be my girl 
>?" which is anyway a great track. Other than that I also think that every 
>great r*ck album should have one horrifying power ballad and that this is 
>what makes a great album go up to brilliant.
>
>still, I listen to Destroyer's "your blues" every day since I bought it 
>and I wonder why you don't.
>
>f.
>




From media at ezaic.de  Tue May  4 23:31:44 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 23:31:44 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this  
 century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com> <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002006bcbdbbc3877a@[213.23.156.150]>

>let's pretend I did not send this to the wrong mailing list, again, ok ?
>
>f.

I would not necessarily call it wrong

unless I wished to please you.


ok.


claudia



From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May  4 23:33:27 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:33:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: nlrs.gita ril
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041733200.19226@panix3.panix.com>




 nlrs.gita ril


 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t
isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
tlrlti nlits

 nlrs.gita ril

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tsrst tlrlti
nlits

 nlrs.gita ril

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t taritinlroili
inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno ngpmt
rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r

lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
i'cno ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
tlrlti nlits

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ir initotot tltidi r mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l

 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm mnr
.hi n'tmtmr pmpltl intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt
rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl

 tmr .sn,gi ,mt p it. pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in
tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
tlrlti nlits

 ilnsnmtlt n i n i

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l

 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
n,sn tm

 rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl

 ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis

 ngtoiorsr

 rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits

 ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl


__



From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 23:35:24 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:35:24 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] nlrs.gita ril
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041733200.19226@panix3.panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041733200.19226@panix3.panix.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504233427.020b42a8@pop.free.fr>

sure. but why don't you listen to Destroyer's "your blues" everyday ?!

f.

At 23:33 04/05/2004, you wrote:



>  nlrs.gita ril
>
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
>n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t
>isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
>ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
>tlrlti nlits
>
>  nlrs.gita ril
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
>taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
>i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tsrst tlrlti
>nlits
>
>  nlrs.gita ril
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
>n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t taritinlroili
>inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno ngpmt
>rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r
>
>lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
>taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
>i'cno ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
>tlrlti nlits
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
>ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
>inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
>ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm mnr
>.hi n'tmtmr pmpltl intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt
>rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl
>
>  tmr .sn,gi ,mt p it. pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in
>tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
>inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
>ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
>tlrlti nlits
>
>  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
>n,sn tm
>
>  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
>inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
>ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
>mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
>ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
>
>  ngtoiorsr
>
>  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
>n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
>
>  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
>
>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 23:45:38 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:45:38 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this  
  century...
In-Reply-To: <a06002006bcbdbbc3877a@[213.23.156.150]>
References: <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com>
 <16536.739.774227.377028@place.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
 <a06002006bcbdbbc3877a@[213.23.156.150]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504234441.01fd8a48@pop.free.fr>

At 23:31 04/05/2004, you wrote:
 >I would not necessarily call it wrong

>unless I wished to please you.

calling me fabre can't be topped



>ok.


"your blues"
every day

f.




From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 00:22:27 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 18:22:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] nlrs.gita ril
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504233427.020b42a8@pop.free.fr>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041733200.19226@panix3.panix.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040504233427.020b42a8@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041822110.19837@panix3.panix.com>



cause my first study was the blues, Son House in particular


On Tue, 4 May 2004, Frederic Madre wrote:

> sure. but why don't you listen to Destroyer's "your blues" everyday ?!
>
> f.
>
> At 23:33 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>
> >  nlrs.gita ril
> >
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
> >n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t
> >isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
> >ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
> >tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  nlrs.gita ril
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
> >taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
> >i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tsrst tlrlti
> >nlits
> >
> >  nlrs.gita ril
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
> >n,sn tm mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t taritinlroili
> >inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno ngpmt
> >rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r
> >
> >lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i i p thin t
> >taritinlroili inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin ,
> >i'cno ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
> >tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
> >ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
> >inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
> >ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm mnr
> >.hi n'tmtmr pmpltl intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt
> >rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl
> >
> >  tmr .sn,gi ,mt p it. pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in
> >tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
> >inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr ht igin , i'cno n n i ti
> >ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is tor ngtort in tl. imi n'tmnott rot tsrst
> >tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ilnsnmtlt n i n i
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl mrm. imtisiltmr ; i'l
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril sr ,sren mtmr ingt i roi
> >n,sn tm
> >
> >  rl1994 ilria ing mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i p thin t taritinlroili
> >inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg
> >ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >  ioisn inoirmti n mrnmnst r in 1967 mtotaensril mtmr ingt i roi n,sn tm
> >mnr .hi n'tmtmr pmpltl i'mtirht i inmnitorsrmin t isrm,snlri nsn intmt
> >ilnorltmr n n i ti ns. i'hnlr tg ngpmt rhtmrlrmtis
> >
> >  ngtoiorsr
> >
> >  rotihtl pi t r . in 1943 is rmtsthilplinoin tor ngtort in tl. imi
> >n'tmnott rot tsrst tlrlti nlits
> >
> >  ir initotot tltidi r lnhrhtinor tl
> >
> >
> >__
> >
> >-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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> >no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>

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http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 00:23:25 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 00:23:25 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
  vision
In-Reply-To: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>

At 20:49 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>(English-US below)
>
>Il est regrettable de devoir annoncer son curriculum vitae

advice for Aliette:
http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/disinhibit.html

the more advanced among us will go directly to this one
http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/badboys.html
if they want

f.




From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 00:27:31 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 18:27:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical  vision
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405041826290.20871@panix3.panix.com>



Suler's pretty amazing - had some contact with him a while ago - and he's
been working on these texts for years - meanwhile the Deviants no longer
exist - check out the A & N Dunlap (or Dunlop, forget at this point) and M
Reed - Alan

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 02:17:47 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 02:17:47 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical  vision
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical vision


> At 20:49 04/05/2004, you wrote:
> >(English-US below)
> >
> >Il est regrettable de devoir annoncer son curriculum vitae

that was exactly respecting Claudia, as I thought that your point of retort
making intervention in the fast exchange about her piece of information
about Pelechian, at last it was indirectly for her unpleasant ; this
question made me found necessary to re-support and publicy my perso
informations to confort this word ( I mean "great").

Your answer : I made fun of it ; I have no problem of narcissistic mirror at
last.

Really a problem of communication of messsages on radical politics on the
two nettime, which are not watchwords but reasonings; these autonomous and
separatist reasonings meet partisan interests in the power of moderation of
the lists with which the moderators do not agree inevitably; in this case
forword, posts is censored, it is very clear. Then I rise rightly when it is
not to see one extreme right-wing fundamentalists being entitled to the last
word, that what arrives, because it is more and more on lists, discovered
recently. Then the fault of the moderators preferring to censor the nearby
ideas rather than the ideas set not to appear censuers makes the worst.

Beyond that I am satisfied, I have long texts which cross(spend) in English
finally rather often on nettime in spite of my franglish my inversions and
my typing errors. For what ask the people furthermore than what I have
because in more I adduce to fight?

The asynchrony or the misunderstandings of my answers are owed to a problem
of understanding of the English.

> advice for Aliette:
> http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/disinhibit.html

You cannot say to me that you support that! Then you make of those who
guarantee for the behaviouristic tests to the at schools? That does not
amaze me at you, like!

If you want to have a look on last Tamara's calling online, please try it :
http://www.imal.org/tamara_lai/how-beautiful/beautiful.htm
I have a litle subject in it but still waiting for her answer...
It is pleasant to play with Tamara ; I enjoy her.

(...)





From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 07:18:30 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:18:30 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09
References: <a06002004bcbd243a0373@[82.82.97.208]> <19ef01c431c7$410228d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1083668782.4097792e8ddaa@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <21ea01c43260$67ca58e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] Artavazd Peleshian at ZKM / May 09


> Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> > oh Great!
>
> Btw, Aliette
> did you unsub from all those horrible moderated mailing lists that were
keeping
> you down ?


>>>>>> did you, this once, put your feet where your mouth was ?

Hey! You meant what, there? You speak about activist, about agitator, or
about kamrad? You believe not that I am going to go to militate I crossed
the moment of organizations Guy! Anarchist is that list of course I am in a
positive vision of that it is not a bureaucrat or thinkers' slavish soul
which I reject!!! You want that I quote them to you or you already know
them, these names, those whom I want to say ? You Stalino-revisionist (As
other f - the woman I talked you)? Is it that what you meant? Sorry sad man,
I have done such a work online on Battisti on nettime-l and in another part
in Italy, and live in the Book fair just the voice!

I am not a sufragette of multi-purpose hall;
she is a nun of mult-purpose hall and grlobal meetings where personnal power
is getting up !

and you a priest?

So pray for me please, as I am the devil in your mind.
but you are not still god, as you have such a work to open your vision !

And you, where have you your feet if your mouth is narrow-minded and
venomous.


>
> f.
>


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From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 07:27:35 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 01:27:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: PROTESTERS AMBUSH CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405050127300.28790@panix2.panix.com>



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From mpalmer at jps.net  Tue May  4 21:53:16 2004
From: mpalmer at jps.net (mpalmer at jps.net)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:53:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: WALLS & WINDOWS
Message-ID: sympa.1083700286.16343.417@anart.no

There are these things on the wall that keep me from seeing the wall. Some call them works of art, but I think of them more as ways of masking the wall's true purpose with a humanizing facade. At some point in history artists attempted to break through the wall, and I applaud that effort, even if I find it futile. I once made a piece where I punched a wall repeatedly until I reached the point of exhaustion. There is no document of this work, as I was simply angry at the time and only considered it a work of art after the fact, once I had recovered a bit of calm. Many of my best works are like that, actually. I find it advisable not to be too self-conscious about making art, as when one does the result only ends up seeming pretentious. Speaking of which, I saw my first chocolate-colored balloon today -- what a treat!

I forgot to mention windows, so here I go. You'll excuse me if I repeat myself, I hope.

I once traced the lines of my palm onto a map of the city and walked the route it laid out. This made me think that I was doing good art, but nobody else seemed to care. Windows are like that. We only notice their presence when somebody stops us from seeing through them.

We always come upon walls with windows in them, but I want to see a window with a wall in the middle of it. The same with doors, but that's a topic for another time.


mwp



From media at ezaic.de  Wed May  5 11:32:00 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:32:00 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical 
 vision
In-Reply-To: <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
 <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <a06002001bcbe5c8305e5@[213.23.155.147]>

>
>>  At 20:49 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>>  >(English-US below)
>>  >
>>  >Il est regrettable de devoir annoncer son curriculum vitae
>
>that was exactly respecting Claudia, as I thought that your point of retort
>making intervention in the fast exchange about her piece of information
>about Pelechian, at last it was indirectly for her unpleasant ;

why?
even if I try to see the things as you obviously see them ...
so, probably ... that frederic disagrees with me on the subject of 
Pelechian ...
I do not see why his different opinion should be unpleasant to me ..
in general
besides of this

)
I suspect the Syndicate concept might be based on relations that
are much more personal than you are aware of


I do not see why his different opinion should be unpleasant to me ..
if I had understood, what you obviously understood
I would have called him an ignorant
told him he needs to grow up
possibly announced him that I would find a way to force him to watch 
Pelechian for an entire week
and sent him a smile

;)

you know ...
there might be a great confidence that one, two, three, four, five 
and possibly more people
understand when playtime is announced

>
>
>Beyond that I am satisfied,

why?

>I have long texts which cross(spend) in English
>finally rather often on nettime in spite of my franglish my inversions and
>my typing errors.

dichotomie

your texts might be used to 'prove' the list's (or moderator's) 
openness to different ideas


bonjour a tous,
Claudia



From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 11:47:29 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:47:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] meanwhile back in this 
     century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
References:     <20040504184653.19618.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com><20040504185446.GA595@petdance.com><16536.739.774227.377028@place.org><6.1.0.6.0.20040504225639.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
    <6.1.0.6.0.20040504230300.0205aec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1046.82.224.112.161.1083750449.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

well dear,

any way aleatoire sending 's
often somehow fertile

any way ALéATOIRE 's
http://files.vnatrc.com/mp3/andromeda.php?q=f&f=%2FWarning_Party
's great tracks too ?

huuuh ?

kisses
astrëe


> let's pretend I did not send this to the wrong mailing list, again, ok ?
>
> f.
>
> At 23:02 04/05/2004, Frederic Madre wrote:
>>At 22:53 04/05/2004, you wrote:
>>>I almost did that, but then I heard the third Jet single and it was an
>>>utterly horrifying power ballad.  Let me know how the rest of the
>>>album is.
>>
>>it's great.
>>actually, I bought it on the strength of the singer's coughing during the
>>intro of the (I think) first single. I thought that was absolutely
>>brilliant and I played the album a great deal of times each time
>>marvelling again at that cough in the intro of "are you gonna be my girl
>>?" which is anyway a great track. Other than that I also think that every
>>great r*ck album should have one horrifying power ballad and that this is
>>what makes a great album go up to brilliant.
>>
>>still, I listen to Destroyer's "your blues" every day since I bought it
>>and I wonder why you don't.
>>
>>f.
>>
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May  4 22:13:26 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Tue,  4 May 2004 22:13:26 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical vision
In-Reply-To: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083701606.4097f966804b7@imp4-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> (English-US below)

I repeat the question:
Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation irritating 
you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?

apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners

f.



From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 12:00:30 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:00:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] astpriem j update
In-Reply-To: <200405041002.i44A2YFp020855@kunst.no>
References: <200405041002.i44A2YFp020855@kunst.no>
Message-ID: <1045.82.224.112.161.1083751230.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>


>
>> > > > Synopsis: The Anyhr-ISBN-PNG Project cyphermodern maghinery
>
>
> astpriem jxgcrte lclrqy lpwi wbxoumgcr uapac
>
> http://noemata.net/anyhr/anyhr1083664951.png :

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Apache/1.3.27 Server at noemata.net Port 80
>
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kisses
astrëe

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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 12:28:47 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:28:47 +0200
Subject: ....
Message-ID: <235b01c4328b$c0123c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...

I could imagine that I would not post during a time, as every one does it on
every list sometimes, but that is not an info, it isan usual feeling for
everyone !!

I have talked on this question seeing a lot of names without publishing more
onnettime-l and ghanging the sound ofthe posts, and he answered me that no,
they were all still sub but not posting for a moemnt... so probably if I
would do the same that wouldnot be a "frenche exception" comportment !!!

But I have not done because I need to stay while there are so much questions
to debate on logical and meta-historical infos on politicsthat worry us
immediatly.

One post is moderated, and one other is not. It depends of the moderator :
which one. The same for nettime-l that nettime-fr


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
To: <fmadre at free.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical vision


> But NOT AT ALL !!!!
>
> I  me !!!! what is this sound ? why do you play that ?
>
> I have ask it yesterday night to confirm my knowledge on that, my own
> condition, to Nicolas, and he confirmed me thta I was not unsub !!!!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
vision
>
>
> > Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> > > (English-US below)
> >
> > I repeat the question:
> > Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
> > you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation
> irritating
> > you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?
> >
> > apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners
> >
> > f.
> >
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
>
> >
> > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> > Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> > no commercial use of the texts without permission
>





From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 12:29:40 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 12:29:40 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical  vision
In-Reply-To: <a06002001bcbe5c8305e5@[213.23.155.147]>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr> <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <a06002001bcbe5c8305e5@[213.23.155.147]>
Message-ID: <1083752980.4098c2146d3c4@imp6-q.free.fr>

> >that was exactly respecting Claudia, as I thought that your point of retort
> >making intervention in the fast exchange about her piece of information
> >about Pelechian, at last it was indirectly for her unpleasant ;
> 
> why?
> even if I try to see the things as you obviously see them ...
> so, probably ... that frederic disagrees with me on the subject of 
> Pelechian ...
> I do not see why his different opinion should be unpleasant to me ..
> in general
> besides of this


for the record, my opinion on the information that you sent Claudia is that it 
was interesing and I thank you for it, claudia.

> I suspect the Syndicate concept might be based on relations that
> are much more personal than you are aware of

yes, sorry claudia that I have not answered your private mail yet
(I agree with you, except perhaps I'd push it to 99.9%)

> you know ...
> and possibly more people
> >Beyond that I am satisfied,
> >I have long texts which cross(spend) in English
> your texts might be used to 'prove' the list's (or moderator's) 

Ok, you are right Claudia, let's steer back to the initial point
aliette sent us a big long piece entitled "right of answer" (which was in 
itself a very amusing title because it refers to a very french judiciary notion 
and also one which does not apply to the internet) where she stated that it was 
time to create a french speaking unmoderated list and I thought, brilliant: 
aliette will have her own mailing list and her energy will be directed to 
something she likes and nurtures herself and (as I would never join such a 
list) we will all happily leave together apart. I'm still expecting the 
announcement of that mailing list.
The second point she seemed to be making was that moderation was evil and we 
should get rid of it. As you saw, I did not say anything about this. I'm still 
waiting for Aliette to unsub from both nettime lists if she thinks that they 
are stifling her freedom of speech and manipulate the conversations. Old story, 
sure, which has yet to be debated properly alas.

So, I was naively thinking that aliette would enact what she so excitedly x-
posted all around to lists on which I am not subscribed and for which I have 
neither personal interest or concern. She did not and now she sends her answer 
to both our syndicate and the moderator of nettime-fr who, I hope, could not 
care less about what is happening on our list and, I suspect, is conforted that 
the huffin and puffin aliette stayed on the list anyway.

Voila,
F.



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 12:37:44 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 12:37:44 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ....
In-Reply-To: <235b01c4328b$c0123c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <235b01c4328b$c0123c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083753464.4098c3f8e3d69@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...

for the record (holy shit!) I never thought that anyone would remove you from 
any mailing list: you are too entertaining and have always acted as a good 
serf, respectful of authority, today again rejoicing that some of your posts 
make it to nettime.

I, oh so naively, thought that your "right of answer" x-post was a condemnation 
of the moderation process itself; it was not, I'm sorry for being angelically 
stupid.

> But I have not done because I need to stay while there are so much questions
> to debate on logical and meta-historical infos on politicsthat worry us
> immediatly.

yeah, yeah, sure
whatever

bye,
f.



From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 12:44:59 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:44:59 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ....
In-Reply-To: <235b01c4328b$c0123c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <41BD1E37-9E81-11D8-A2DB-000393B03010@free.fr>

errrrrrrrrr.
we definitly all live in a yellow sub...

--
OG

Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 12:28 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit :

> MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...
>
> I could imagine that I would not post during a time, as every one does  
> it on
> every list sometimes, but that is not an info, it isan usual feeling  
> for
> everyone !!
>
> I have talked on this question seeing a lot of names without  
> publishing more
> onnettime-l and ghanging the sound ofthe posts, and he answered me  
> that no,
> they were all still sub but not posting for a moemnt... so probably if  
> I
> would do the same that wouldnot be a "frenche exception" comportment  
> !!!
>
> But I have not done because I need to stay while there are so much  
> questions
> to debate on logical and meta-historical infos on politicsthat worry us
> immediatly.
>
> One post is moderated, and one other is not. It depends of the  
> moderator :
> which one. The same for nettime-l that nettime-fr
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> To: <fmadre at free.fr>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical  
> vision
>
>
>> But NOT AT ALL !!!!
>>
>> I  me !!!! what is this sound ? why do you play that ?
>>
>> I have ask it yesterday night to confirm my knowledge on that, my own
>> condition, to Nicolas, and he confirmed me thta I was not unsub !!!!!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
> vision
>>
>>
>>> Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
>>>> (English-US below)
>>>
>>> I repeat the question:
>>> Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
>>> you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation
>> irritating
>>> you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?
>>>
>>> apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners
>>>
>>> f.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> ----
> --
>> ----
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>
>
>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> no commercial use of the texts without permission





From pall at fa.is  Wed May  5 13:05:07 2004
From: pall at fa.is (Pall Thayer)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:05:07 +0000
Subject: [syndicate] ....
In-Reply-To: <41BD1E37-9E81-11D8-A2DB-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <41BD1E37-9E81-11D8-A2DB-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <200405051105.07832.pall@fa.is>

On Wednesday 05 May 2004 10:44, ctgr-pavu.com wrote:
> errrrrrrrrr.
> we definitly all live in a yellow sub...

um... a yellow sub-organic mind-transferralator?

-- 
Pall Thayer
artist/teacher
http://www.this.is/pallit
http://130.208.220.190/
http://130.208.220.190/nuharm
http://130.208.220.190/panse




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 13:51:06 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:51:06 +0200
Subject: ????
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Sorry on my bad English writing

I have not intimity with M. Madre. Usually if he receives any mail from me
he answers that He wishes that I get out him from my list (and he askes me
without tenderness as you can imagine)!!!

Strangely he has just written me in a private mail that I have not
distinguished from a mail of the list, as just before he had posted here a
personnal argue on me for another part !!! as confidential information of
"eventual" unsub - but this would be a wrong information. Or to get any
wrong effect against me. I have written on all these problems here and
there, thinking the french media nettime.fr is becoming a personnal media or
an office of a party which is not informed, in fact, all is possible but
with information, orit appears manipulation from htis time exactly where the
list ismoderates (in other way itwouldnot so much q ral question) and I
fight on this question to obtain any explanations onthis statement still the
announcement of collective samizdat dissolution, but the server is still
samizdat  you know ? what doesit mean exactly ? which appears a real problem
on politics partisan opportunities during french elections and Battisti
question...

My parisian dinners? NEVER!!! I am in a complete accomplishment outside of
mondanities IN A FRIENSHIP SYSTEM AS SYMBOLIC CONTAINING POLITICS MULTITUDE
ALTERITY since a lot of decennies, coming far from other times in last
century, from the last avant-gardes in the last sixties and early
seventies... But AND THE SAME FOR MY FRIENDS IN their own other respective
other net frienships...  all of personnal solidarity on a lot of things of
the private life, even we would be anyone in our own party of thought - and
for me no one at all, you know of that because Iwas forever in unsubmission
but active in real things that I shall no tell here !!!!

I can tell it front of public as you have done any Indiscretion as allusion
online ! you are a sort of informator you know? you work for whose cops?
intelligence services cops or politically cops ? or you are completly stupid
of course while playing time in public?

Your information could come only from an abuse indicretion on cordial
playing informations during the meeting in USA between a guest on this
evening and that one who appears to be her friend : Nathalie Magnan (there
was a post on nettime-l on that where she is named, so it could not be a
secret !!! I do not have indiscretion telling it here). There is obviously a
trahison, but from who ? He to me and his own friends at my home of whom he
could have act another indiscretions on any subjects of thes dinner at last
? or her to him, because she would no respect her own friendship pact ? this
sort of alternative modanity running specially near the usual mondanity of
parties ?

The dinner you talked of it appears to be that one (because there would not
have another dinner at my home since a full year as anyone here do not feel
well and so on) the last night of my american friends at my home with their
baby and respecting their own friend to be our guest from their own part
celbrating their last evening in Paris before togo back to NY.

these american friends were living in my home since a full week... they have
asked me to come as hosts in my home, as THEY HAVE INSISTED FOR THAT despite
of SUCH PROBLEMS THAT WERE SITTING IN MY HOME DURING THIS MOMENT) BUT THEY
have asked me to come everyway because it was a best possibility for them
while euro is high, to sleep free and at friends'home with their baby, even
it was awfull at my home ! I repaeat TO SLEEP AT MY HOME BECAUSE IT WAS MORE
EASY ON JETLAG FOR THEIR BABY AND ALL THAT WHICH NEEDS FREEDOM TO LIVE for a
moment !!!!

SO / WHEN YOU SAY HERE THAT I WOULD HAVE MY MOUTH WHERE I HAVE THE FEET YOU
SPEAK ON MY FRIENDSHIP MORE THAT USUAL PUBLICATIONS ONLINE ,,,!!! crazy and
abusive Ladre and Nathalie Magan using confidential informations from his
commun friend with my guest and telling that to persons who declares to be
my personnal ennemies ?

That will be my last mail on this subject or not if yourself would not stop
ta get more crazy in your following abuse and judgement.

Apologizes sincerly to other subscribers.

A.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
To: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>; <fmadre at free.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:17 PM
Subject: ????


> MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...
>
> I could imagine that I would not post during a time, as every one does it
on
> every list, but that isnot an info, it is usual for everyone !!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> To: <fmadre at free.fr>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
vision
>
>
> > But NOT AT ALL !!!!
> >
> > I  me !!!! what is this sound ? why do you play that ?
> >
> > I have ask it yesterday night to confirm my knowledge on that, my own
> > condition, to Nicolas, and he confirmed me thta I was not unsub !!!!!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> > To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
> vision
> >
> >
> > > Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> > > > (English-US below)
> > >
> > > I repeat the question:
> > > Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
> > > you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation
> > irritating
> > > you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?
> > >
> > > apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners
> > >
> > > f.
> > >
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> > > Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> > > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> > > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> > > no commercial use of the texts without permission
> >
>
>
>





From media at ezaic.de  Wed May  5 13:52:26 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 13:52:26 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical 
 vision
In-Reply-To: <1083752980.4098c2146d3c4@imp6-q.free.fr>
References: <1b2301c43208$92836bb0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040505001934.020307c8@pop.free.fr>
 <1f8501c43236$65630ef0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
 <a06002001bcbe5c8305e5@[213.23.155.147]>
 <1083752980.4098c2146d3c4@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002003bcbe84f07f6d@[213.23.155.147]>

>
>for the record, my opinion on the information that you sent Claudia is that it
>was interesing and I thank you for it, claudia.

for the record

dear frederic,

I never assumed you would consider something I send as not interesting

;)



des fleurs,

Claudia



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 13:57:22 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 13:57:22 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083758242.4098d6a2b07fa@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> I have not intimity with M. Madre.
> Apologizes sincerly to other subscribers.

Thank you.

Bye,
f.
ps: sorry, nathalie.



From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 14:44:50 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:44:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
    <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

no, dears, no !
in these occasions,

just tell :

[
form_elow als_oose big bonbon

:2enUn: Cette présence sporadique dans les débats de la dualité du rôle de
l’Elaboration Artistique permet également d’interroger en son sein la
cohérence des comportements collectifs, entre ce qu’elle fait pour ses
propres brigades et le service d'aliénation qu’elle propose à ses
partenaires conceptualisés. // Ce poète sont obsédées par les pythiques
résumés dans le poïeïn, obsédées par les pythiques résumés du
se-déprendre-des-ethnies.
]

or

[
actu_ich_tu_echte

Fig. Avoir d'une chose cent pieds par-dessus la tête, en être tout à fait
dégouté. - - Pied de mouche, se dit pour patte de mouche, en des locutions
figurées. Disputer sur un pied de mouche, discuter sur des choses de rien.
- - Petits pieds, en termes de rôtisseur, grives, cailles, ortolans... - -
Sur le pied de, avec le caractère de. Nos troubles l'avaient mis sur le
pied d'homme sage, Mol. - - Etre sur le pied de, passer pour. Il était sur
le pied d'un homme de condition. - - On dit de même : un pied de crotte.
]

http://vnatrc.freezope.org/opep2/opepSystem
for english speakers there's a transale service on it :)

kisses
astrëe

> Sorry on my bad English writing
>
> I have not intimity with M. Madre. Usually if he receives any mail from me
> he answers that He wishes that I get out him from my list (and he askes me
> without tenderness as you can imagine)!!!
>
> Strangely he has just written me in a private mail that I have not
> distinguished from a mail of the list, as just before he had posted here a
> personnal argue on me for another part !!! as confidential information of
> "eventual" unsub - but this would be a wrong information. Or to get any
> wrong effect against me. I have written on all these problems here and
> there, thinking the french media nettime.fr is becoming a personnal media
> or
> an office of a party which is not informed, in fact, all is possible but
> with information, orit appears manipulation from htis time exactly where
> the
> list ismoderates (in other way itwouldnot so much q ral question) and I
> fight on this question to obtain any explanations onthis statement still
> the
> announcement of collective samizdat dissolution, but the server is still
> samizdat  you know ? what doesit mean exactly ? which appears a real
> problem
> on politics partisan opportunities during french elections and Battisti
> question...
>
> My parisian dinners? NEVER!!! I am in a complete accomplishment outside of
> mondanities IN A FRIENSHIP SYSTEM AS SYMBOLIC CONTAINING POLITICS
> MULTITUDE
> ALTERITY since a lot of decennies, coming far from other times in last
> century, from the last avant-gardes in the last sixties and early
> seventies... But AND THE SAME FOR MY FRIENDS IN their own other respective
> other net frienships...  all of personnal solidarity on a lot of things of
> the private life, even we would be anyone in our own party of thought -
> and
> for me no one at all, you know of that because Iwas forever in
> unsubmission
> but active in real things that I shall no tell here !!!!
>
> I can tell it front of public as you have done any Indiscretion as
> allusion
> online ! you are a sort of informator you know? you work for whose cops?
> intelligence services cops or politically cops ? or you are completly
> stupid
> of course while playing time in public?
>
> Your information could come only from an abuse indicretion on cordial
> playing informations during the meeting in USA between a guest on this
> evening and that one who appears to be her friend : Nathalie Magnan (there
> was a post on nettime-l on that where she is named, so it could not be a
> secret !!! I do not have indiscretion telling it here). There is obviously
> a
> trahison, but from who ? He to me and his own friends at my home of whom
> he
> could have act another indiscretions on any subjects of thes dinner at
> last
> ? or her to him, because she would no respect her own friendship pact ?
> this
> sort of alternative modanity running specially near the usual mondanity of
> parties ?
>
> The dinner you talked of it appears to be that one (because there would
> not
> have another dinner at my home since a full year as anyone here do not
> feel
> well and so on) the last night of my american friends at my home with
> their
> baby and respecting their own friend to be our guest from their own part
> celbrating their last evening in Paris before togo back to NY.
>
> these american friends were living in my home since a full week... they
> have
> asked me to come as hosts in my home, as THEY HAVE INSISTED FOR THAT
> despite
> of SUCH PROBLEMS THAT WERE SITTING IN MY HOME DURING THIS MOMENT) BUT THEY
> have asked me to come everyway because it was a best possibility for them
> while euro is high, to sleep free and at friends'home with their baby,
> even
> it was awfull at my home ! I repaeat TO SLEEP AT MY HOME BECAUSE IT WAS
> MORE
> EASY ON JETLAG FOR THEIR BABY AND ALL THAT WHICH NEEDS FREEDOM TO LIVE for
> a
> moment !!!!
>
> SO / WHEN YOU SAY HERE THAT I WOULD HAVE MY MOUTH WHERE I HAVE THE FEET
> YOU
> SPEAK ON MY FRIENDSHIP MORE THAT USUAL PUBLICATIONS ONLINE ,,,!!! crazy
> and
> abusive Ladre and Nathalie Magan using confidential informations from his
> commun friend with my guest and telling that to persons who declares to be
> my personnal ennemies ?
>
> That will be my last mail on this subject or not if yourself would not
> stop
> ta get more crazy in your following abuse and judgement.
>
> Apologizes sincerly to other subscribers.
>
> A.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> To: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>; <fmadre at free.fr>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:17 PM
> Subject: ????
>
>
>> MORE, it was never a question on what I would be unsub or I unsub ...
>>
>> I could imagine that I would not post during a time, as every one does
>> it
> on
>> every list, but that isnot an info, it is usual for everyone !!
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
>> To: <fmadre at free.fr>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
> vision
>>
>>
>> > But NOT AT ALL !!!!
>> >
>> > I  me !!!! what is this sound ? why do you play that ?
>> >
>> > I have ask it yesterday night to confirm my knowledge on that, my own
>> > condition, to Nicolas, and he confirmed me thta I was not unsub !!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>> > To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] bilingual explanation instead of panoptical
>> vision
>> >
>> >
>> > > Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
>> > > > (English-US below)
>> > >
>> > > I repeat the question:
>> > > Did you unsub from nettime-fr and nettime-l ?
>> > > you sent us a big cross posted furious mail about their moderation
>> > irritating
>> > > you a lot: what did you DO ? what are you DOING against moderation ?
>> > >
>> > > apart from sending us the left overs of your stale parisian diners
>> > >
>> > > f.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> > ----
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> > > Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> > > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> > > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> > > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> > > no commercial use of the texts without permission
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 14:59:32 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 14:59:32 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>    <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <1083761972.4098e53493e88@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> no, dears, no !
> in these occasions,
> 
> just tell :
> 
> [
> form_elow als_oose big bonbon

or

1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by 
saying "Dude?" 

2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by 
saying "Dude!" 

3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly saying 
one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on." 

EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning your name, 
respond by saying "Lag." 

http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml

f.
ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May  5 15:25:29 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:25:29 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>    <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net> <1083761972.4098e53493e88@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <25e201c432a4$6fe23ea0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
managment of this list -
if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real name. Is
is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play on my
own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop any other
real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.

He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait for
apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was coming from
him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of my
life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used here,
and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I insist that
was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing every
body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be grateful
to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by every
mon on the lists.

The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the lists, as
moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part ; and
I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment just
before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.

But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If you go on
ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here, itis
their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay the sign
of your following manipulation.

Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend on my
private life.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????


> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> > no, dears, no !
> > in these occasions,
> >
> > just tell :
> >
> > [
> > form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>
> or
>
> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
> saying "Dude?"
>
> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by
> saying "Dude!"
>
> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly
saying
> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>
> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning your
name,
> respond by saying "Lag."
>
> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>
> f.
> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
>


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----


>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> no commercial use of the texts without permission





From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 15:35:59 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 15:35:59 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <25e201c432a4$6fe23ea0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <234501c4328a$37d220d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>    <238a01c43297$403b5fe0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1047.82.224.112.161.1083761090.squirrel@mail.zettai.net> <1083761972.4098e53493e88@imp6-q.free.fr> <25e201c432a4$6fe23ea0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1083764159.4098edbf16f72@imp6-q.free.fr>

Lag.

f.
http://archive.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp?
image=/fargo/august03/autorpg/monsterbig.jpg

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
> managment of this list -
> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real name. Is
> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play on my
> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop any other
> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
> 
> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait for
> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was coming from
> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of my
> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used here,
> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I insist that
> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing every
> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be grateful
> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by every
> mon on the lists.
> 
> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the lists, as
> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part ; and
> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment just
> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
> 
> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If you go on
> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here, itis
> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay the sign
> of your following manipulation.
> 
> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend on my
> private life.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
> 
> 
> > Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> > > no, dears, no !
> > > in these occasions,
> > >
> > > just tell :
> > >
> > > [
> > > form_elow als_oose big bonbon
> >
> > or
> >
> > 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
> > saying "Dude?"
> >
> > 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by
> > saying "Dude!"
> >
> > 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly
> saying
> > one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
> >
> > EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning your
> name,
> > respond by saying "Lag."
> >
> > http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
> >
> > f.
> > ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
> >
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> 
> 
> >
> > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> > Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> > no commercial use of the texts without permission
> 
> 
> 





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Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 16:47:49 +0200 (CEST)
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From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 17:22:59 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:22:59 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <25e201c432a4$6fe23ea0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>

i'll have half a lagger.

the other one once the job finished.

--
OG

Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit :

> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
> managment of this list -
> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real 
> name. Is
> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play 
> on my
> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop any 
> other
> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
>
> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait 
> for
> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was 
> coming from
> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of 
> my
> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used 
> here,
> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I 
> insist that
> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing 
> every
> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be 
> grateful
> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by 
> every
> mon on the lists.
>
> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the 
> lists, as
> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part 
> ; and
> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment 
> just
> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
>
> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If you 
> go on
> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here, 
> itis
> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay 
> the sign
> of your following manipulation.
>
> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend 
> on my
> private life.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
>
>
>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
>>> no, dears, no !
>>> in these occasions,
>>>
>>> just tell :
>>>
>>> [
>>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>>
>> or
>>
>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
>> saying "Dude?"
>>
>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by
>> saying "Dude!"
>>
>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly
> saying
>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>>
>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning 
>> your
> name,
>> respond by saying "Lag."
>>
>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>>
>> f.
>> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
>>






From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 18:00:34 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  5 May 2004 18:00:34 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1083772834.40990fa2a32c6@imp6-q.free.fr>

Right on.

f.

Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:

> i'll have half a lagger.
> 
> the other one once the job finished.
> 
> --
> OG
> 
> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit :
> 
> > There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
> > managment of this list -
> > if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real 
> > name. Is
> > is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play 
> > on my
> > own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop any 
> > other
> > real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
> >
> > He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait 
> > for
> > apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was 
> > coming from
> > him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of 
> > my
> > life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used 
> > here,
> > and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I 
> > insist that
> > was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing 
> > every
> > body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be 
> > grateful
> > to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by 
> > every
> > mon on the lists.
> >
> > The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the 
> > lists, as
> > moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part 
> > ; and
> > I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment 
> > just
> > before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
> >
> > But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If you 
> > go on
> > ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here, 
> > itis
> > their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay 
> > the sign
> > of your following manipulation.
> >
> > Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend 
> > on my
> > private life.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <fmadre at free.fr>
> > To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
> >
> >
> >> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> >>> no, dears, no !
> >>> in these occasions,
> >>>
> >>> just tell :
> >>>
> >>> [
> >>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
> >> saying "Dude?"
> >>
> >> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond by
> >> saying "Dude!"
> >>
> >> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by randomly
> > saying
> >> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
> >>
> >> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning 
> >> your
> > name,
> >> respond by saying "Lag."
> >>
> >> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
> >>
> >> f.
> >> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
> >>
> 
> 
> 
> 





From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 18:09:06 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:09:06 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <1083772834.40990fa2a32c6@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <88A6049F-9EAE-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>

Sure ?
Okie !


Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:00 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a écrit :

> Right on.
>
> f.
>
> Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
>
>> i'll have half a lagger.
>>
>> the other one once the job finished.
>>
>> --
>> OG
>>
>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a 
>> écrit :
>>
>>> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
>>> managment of this list -
>>> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real
>>> name. Is
>>> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play
>>> on my
>>> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop 
>>> any
>>> other
>>> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
>>>
>>> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait
>>> for
>>> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was
>>> coming from
>>> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of
>>> my
>>> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used
>>> here,
>>> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I
>>> insist that
>>> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing
>>> every
>>> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be
>>> grateful
>>> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by
>>> every
>>> mon on the lists.
>>>
>>> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the
>>> lists, as
>>> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part
>>> ; and
>>> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment
>>> just
>>> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
>>>
>>> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If 
>>> you
>>> go on
>>> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here,
>>> itis
>>> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay
>>> the sign
>>> of your following manipulation.
>>>
>>> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend
>>> on my
>>> private life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
>>>
>>>
>>>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
>>>>> no, dears, no !
>>>>> in these occasions,
>>>>>
>>>>> just tell :
>>>>>
>>>>> [
>>>>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
>>>> saying "Dude?"
>>>>
>>>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond 
>>>> by
>>>> saying "Dude!"
>>>>
>>>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by 
>>>> randomly
>>> saying
>>>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>>>>
>>>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning
>>>> your
>>> name,
>>>> respond by saying "Lag."
>>>>
>>>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>>>>
>>>> f.
>>>> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> no commercial use of the texts without permission





From media at ezaic.de  Wed May  5 18:27:13 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:27:13 +0200
Subject: 
In-Reply-To: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <174E1CAE-9EA8-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002007bcbebe79fb68@[213.23.155.147]>

>i'll have half a lagger.

can you use another word please ?

I just wished to condemn you
but I cannot find this word in my dictionary


>
>the other one once the job finished.


>
>--
>OG

nice try
Officer Général


-

claudia








From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 18:38:50 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:38:50 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re:
In-Reply-To: <a06002007bcbebe79fb68@[213.23.155.147]>
Message-ID: <AFFF19C2-9EB2-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>


Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:27 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a 
écrit :

>> i'll have half a lagger.
>
> can you use another word please ?

Dude ?
lager should fit.

I also found "lager lout"
little different of blonde loute

>
> I just wished to condemn you
> but I cannot find this word in my dictionary
>
>
>>
>> the other one once the job finished.
>
>>
>> --
>> OG
>
> nice try
> Officer Général

you're very kind
thanks
++
thx f. for the rules

> -
>
> claudia






From vnatrc at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 18:30:49 2004
From: vnatrc at vnatrc.net (v.n.a.t.r.c.?)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:30:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <88A6049F-9EAE-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <1083772834.40990fa2a32c6@imp6-q.free.fr>
    <88A6049F-9EAE-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1055.82.224.112.161.1083774649.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

should have written 'lager'
but we're not so tâtillons,
are we ?

kisses
astrëe


> Sure ?
> Okie !
>
>
> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:00 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a écrit :
>
>> Right on.
>>
>> f.
>>
>> Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
>>
>>> i'll have half a lagger.
>>>
>>> the other one once the job finished.
>>>
>>> --
>>> OG
>>>
>>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
>>>> managment of this list -
>>>> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real
>>>> name. Is
>>>> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to play
>>>> on my
>>>> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop
>>>> any
>>>> other
>>>> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
>>>>
>>>> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not wait
>>>> for
>>>> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was
>>>> coming from
>>>> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order of
>>>> my
>>>> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be used
>>>> here,
>>>> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I
>>>> insist that
>>>> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend knowing
>>>> every
>>>> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be
>>>> grateful
>>>> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by
>>>> every
>>>> mon on the lists.
>>>>
>>>> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the
>>>> lists, as
>>>> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery part
>>>> ; and
>>>> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment
>>>> just
>>>> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
>>>>
>>>> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If
>>>> you
>>>> go on
>>>> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here,
>>>> itis
>>>> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay
>>>> the sign
>>>> of your following manipulation.
>>>>
>>>> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f friend
>>>> on my
>>>> private life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>>>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
>>>>>> no, dears, no !
>>>>>> in these occasions,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just tell :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
>>>>> saying "Dude?"
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, respond
>>>>> by
>>>>> saying "Dude!"
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by
>>>>> randomly
>>>> saying
>>>>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>>>>>
>>>>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning
>>>>> your
>>>> name,
>>>>> respond by saying "Lag."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> f.
>>>>> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) reference...
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>


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From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May  5 18:42:11 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:42:11 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <1055.82.224.112.161.1083774649.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>

it is aperitiev time at syndicate.

cheers.

Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:30 Europe/Paris, v.n.a.t.r.c.? a écrit :

> should have written 'lager'
> but we're not so tâtillons,
> are we ?
>
> kisses
> astrëe
>
>
>> Sure ?
>> Okie !
>>
>>
>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:00 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a écrit 
>> :
>>
>>> Right on.
>>>
>>> f.
>>>
>>> Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
>>>
>>>> i'll have half a lagger.
>>>>
>>>> the other one once the job finished.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> OG
>>>>
>>>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>>>> écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical name of
>>>>> managment of this list -
>>>>> if he would not play with my own name as my address here is my real
>>>>> name. Is
>>>>> is exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow to 
>>>>> play
>>>>> on my
>>>>> own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and hope from you to stop
>>>>> any
>>>>> other
>>>>> real threats onme you my activity and on my friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I do not 
>>>>> wait
>>>>> for
>>>>> apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because the indiscretion was
>>>>> coming from
>>>>> him, and provocation as uncivility on questions in a private order 
>>>>> of
>>>>> my
>>>>> life and my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be 
>>>>> used
>>>>> here,
>>>>> and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a home familial (I
>>>>> insist that
>>>>> was my family and resident family more one of my best friend 
>>>>> knowing
>>>>> every
>>>>> body, more my american resident friends and their own friends to be
>>>>> grateful
>>>>> to them) private dinner. That is much more than names well known by
>>>>> every
>>>>> mon on the lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users of the
>>>>> lists, as
>>>>> moderators, and their names to be published a most time forevery 
>>>>> part
>>>>> ; and
>>>>> I remembre to have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the 
>>>>> moment
>>>>> just
>>>>> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and threat. If
>>>>> you
>>>>> go on
>>>>> ask name or name to testify on your complicity with other one here,
>>>>> itis
>>>>> their own problem. But that is absolutely sure is that in this stay
>>>>> the sign
>>>>> of your following manipulation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to your f 
>>>>> friend
>>>>> on my
>>>>> private life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <fmadre at free.fr>
>>>>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
>>>>>>> no, dears, no !
>>>>>>> in these occasions,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just tell :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [
>>>>>>> form_elow als_oose big bonbon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark, respond by
>>>>>> saying "Dude?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation point, 
>>>>>> respond
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> saying "Dude!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond by
>>>>>> randomly
>>>>> saying
>>>>>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by mentioning
>>>>>> your
>>>>> name,
>>>>>> respond by saying "Lag."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> f.
>>>>>> ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop) 
>>>>>> reference...
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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>>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From eric.m at bobig.com  Wed May  5 18:50:37 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:50:37 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <40991B5D.1030905@bobig.com>

==> je prendrai un verre de ardbeg sans glace.
merci.

où sont les cahouettes ?

ctgr-pavu.com a écrit :

>  it is aperitiev time at syndicate.
>
>  cheers.
>
>  Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:30 Europe/Paris, v.n.a.t.r.c.? a écrit
>  :
>
> > should have written 'lager' but we're not so tâtillons, are we ?
> >
> > kisses astrëe
> >
> >
> >> Sure ? Okie !
> >>
> >>
> >> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:00 Europe/Paris, fmadre at free.fr a
> >> écrit :
> >>
> >>> Right on.
> >>>
> >>> f.
> >>>
> >>> Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
> >>>
> >>>> i'll have half a lagger.
> >>>>
> >>>> the other one once the job finished.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- OG
> >>>>
> >>>> Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 15:25 Europe/Paris, Aliette
> >>>> Guibert a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>> There would not be Madre's name - but he is one the offical
> >>>>> name of managment of this list - if he would not play with
> >>>>> my own name as my address here is my real name. Is is
> >>>>> exactly the reason why I cannot stop myself if you follow
> >>>>> to play on my own materiality. So, once more, STOP IT, and
> >>>>> hope from you to stop any other real threats onme you my
> >>>>> activity and on my friends.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He does not understand that he would have to stop now, (I
> >>>>> do not wait for apoologizes from so sad as citizen) because
> >>>>> the indiscretion was coming from him, and provocation as
> >>>>> uncivility on questions in a private order of my life and
> >>>>> my friends that would not have to get public, nor to be
> >>>>> used here, and same time instrulmntalizing on (or round) a
> >>>>> home familial (I insist that was my family and resident
> >>>>> family more one of my best friend knowing every body, more
> >>>>> my american resident friends and their own friends to be
> >>>>> grateful to them) private dinner. That is much more than
> >>>>> names well known by every mon on the lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only two names here are largely welknown by the users
> >>>>> of the lists, as moderators, and their names to be
> >>>>> published a most time forevery part ; and I remembre to
> >>>>> have seen here a post by Nathalie Magnan in the moment just
> >>>>> before the conference in Sorbonne on web art this year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But all the contrary you goe on defy, manipulation, and
> >>>>> threat. If you go on ask name or name to testify on your
> >>>>> complicity with other one here, itis their own problem. But
> >>>>> that is absolutely sure is that in this stay the sign of
> >>>>> your following manipulation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please stop your threats after to be an intruse help to
> >>>>> your f friend on my private life.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fmadre at free.fr> To:
> >>>>> <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:59 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Selon astrëe galbiatta <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> no, dears, no ! in these occasions,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> just tell :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [ form_elow als_oose big bonbon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1 If someone says something ending in a question mark,
> >>>>>> respond by saying "Dude?"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2 If someone says something ending in an exclamation
> >>>>>> point, respond by saying "Dude!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 3 If someone says something ending with a period, respond
> >>>>>> by randomly
> >>>>>
> >>>>> saying
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> one of three things: "Okie," "Sure," or "Right on."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> EXCEPTION: If someone says something directly to you by
> >>>>>> mentioning your
> >>>>>
> >>>>> name,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> respond by saying "Lag."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://archive.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/index.shtml
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> f. ps: alan, I could not find your a+n dunlap (or dunlop)
> >>>>>> reference...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >>> without permission
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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From a at e8z.org  Wed May  5 19:20:45 2004
From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:20:45 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <40991B5D.1030905@bobig.com>
References: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr> <40991B5D.1030905@bobig.com>
Message-ID: <8B21FCD2-9EB8-11D8-9432-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>

dear claudia,
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lag&f=1
feel free to make up your own!
Au-




From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 19:25:51 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:25:51 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re:
In-Reply-To: <AFFF19C2-9EB2-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <a06002007bcbebe79fb68@[213.23.155.147]>
 <AFFF19C2-9EB2-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505192527.01f1cec0@pop.free.fr>

Dude!

f.
At 18:38 05/05/2004, you wrote:

>Le mercredi, 5 mai 2004, à 18:27 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a écrit :
>
>>>i'll have half a lagger.
>>
>>can you use another word please ?
>
>Dude ?
>lager should fit.
>
>I also found "lager lout"
>little different of blonde loute
>
>>
>>I just wished to condemn you
>>but I cannot find this word in my dictionary
>>
>>
>>>
>>>the other one once the job finished.
>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>OG
>>
>>nice try
>>Officer Général
>
>you're very kind
>thanks
>++
>thx f. for the rules
>
>>-
>>
>>claudia
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>no commercial use of the texts without permission





From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Wed May  5 14:24:48 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com)
Date: Wed May  5 14:24:48 2004
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From vnatrc at vnatrc.net  Wed May  5 11:43:45 2004
From: vnatrc at vnatrc.net (v.n.a.t.r.c.?)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:43:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] any poem to say good night
In-Reply-To: <1c3d01c4320e$f40b78e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <1c3d01c4320e$f40b78e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1083750225.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

à moi 'l me semble plutôt
glabre

:)

kisses
astrëe

> any complement:
>
> f abre and l adre m(akes) m(iser) not mister m adre
>
>
> 'of course of the source
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 19:41:55 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:41:55 +0200
Subject: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in this century...
In-Reply-To: <a05100303bcbebc58d1f8@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <1083770695.6351.ezmlm@chugchanga.org>
 <a05100303bcbebc58d1f8@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505193937.01f3cec0@pop.free.fr>

At 18:46 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>"Franz Ferdinand are the unholy love child of the Monochrome Set and ABC. The
>suavely offhand, arch vocal style is *so* Bid-esque. Bubblegum, but it still
>tastes good."
>
>Singer Alex's previous band had an album produced by Bid , fact fans...

they still sound like a scot The Rapture to me
and that is worse than Peter Gabriel
(The Lamb dies down on Broadway is an album I remember fondly as well as 
the Tour that went with it)

>goodness me, a Throbbing Gristle retrospective? whatever next?

a Biff Bang Pow reunion gig ?

f. 




From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 19:45:45 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:45:45 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <1055.82.224.112.161.1083774649.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
 <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505194508.01eb5370@pop.free.fr>

At 18:42 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>it is aperitiev time at syndicate.

Aliette's time to foot the bill

f. 




From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 19:47:51 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:47:51 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in this
  century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505193937.01f3cec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <1083770695.6351.ezmlm@chugchanga.org>
 <a05100303bcbebc58d1f8@[10.0.1.2]>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040505193937.01f3cec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505194716.01ec6ec0@pop.free.fr>

That was a Melon, technically.

f.

At 19:41 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>At 18:46 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>>"Franz Ferdinand are the unholy love child of the Monochrome Set and ABC. The
>>suavely offhand, arch vocal style is *so* Bid-esque. Bubblegum, but it still
>>tastes good."
>>
>>Singer Alex's previous band had an album produced by Bid , fact fans...
>
>they still sound like a scot The Rapture to me
>and that is worse than Peter Gabriel
>(The Lamb dies down on Broadway is an album I remember fondly as well as 
>the Tour that went with it)
>
>>goodness me, a Throbbing Gristle retrospective? whatever next?
>
>a Biff Bang Pow reunion gig ?
>
>f.
>
>
>
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 19:28:13 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:28:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405051728.i45HSDQ57511@www.god-emil.dk>




on MOTHER FUCKERZ

http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/easy.2.share.jpg










From email at ctrlaltdel.org  Wed May  5 20:07:16 2004
From: email at ctrlaltdel.org (Peter Luining)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:07:16 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in this  century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505194716.01ec6ec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <1083770695.6351.ezmlm@chugchanga.org> <a05100303bcbebc58d1f8@[10.0.1.2]> <6.1.0.6.0.20040505193937.01f3cec0@pop.free.fr> <6.1.0.6.0.20040505194716.01ec6ec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <40992D54.9020401@ctrlaltdel.org>

Frederic Madre wrote:

 > That was a Melon, technically.
 >
 > f.
 >
 > At 19:41 05/05/2004, you wrote:
 >
 >> At 18:46 05/05/2004, you wrote:
 >>
 >>> "Franz Ferdinand are the unholy love child of the Monochrome Set 
and ABC. The
 >>> suavely offhand, arch vocal style is *so* Bid-esque. Bubblegum, but 
it still




Nothing tastes as real bubblegum
check out:
Tommy James & The Shondells
lemon pipers
Ohio Express
fruitgum co.and not to forget our national heroe George Baker with 
little green bag







From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 19:44:13 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:44:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ new media and jankee kapitalism
Message-ID: <200405051744.i45HiDi57533@www.god-emil.dk>



apropos new media organizations. Cycling74 INC. and extra MOTHER FUCKERZ


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0504-01.htm












From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 19:52:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:52:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405051752.i45HqIT57565@www.god-emil.dk>





war against drugs - another jankee MOTHER FUCKERZ oxymoron

whilst jankee MOTHER FUCKERZ culture inflates the self 
with the logical continuation of escaping into the private world of drugs - ie. it is anti-love
it deklares war against it. ie. using force to resolve force. -> equiv of get F A T then D I E T


simply.imbecilic MOTHER FUCKERZ









From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 20:38:31 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:38:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <200405051752.i45HqIT57565@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405051752.i45HqIT57565@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405051437590.12310@panix3.panix.com>



Running through a LOT of spam today for some reason and as soon as I saw
MFZ, I knew it was you...

Alan


On Wed, 5 May 2004 integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

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> with the logical continuation of escaping into the private world of drugs - ie. it is anti-love
> it deklares war against it. ie. using force to resolve force. -> equiv of get F A T then D I E T
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http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 20:16:15 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:16:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405051816.i45IGFr57600@www.god-emil.dk>



genes - genes get turned on/off by lifestyle 
environment




AP € Reuters € Photos

Belarus Woman Celebrates 116th Birthday
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May 5, 1:52 PM (ET)
By YURAS KARMANAU 
(AP) Belarusian Hanna Barysevich, believed to be the oldest woman in the world, is seen at home outside...
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MINSK, Belarus (AP) - A woman believed to be the oldest in the world celebrated her 116th birthday Wednesday in the former Soviet republic of Belarus.

"I'll drink to my own health with pleasure," said Hanna Barysevich, a former farm worker who lives in a house outside the Belarusian capital Minsk.

"I'm tired of living already, but God still hasn't collected me," she said with a smile.

Barysevich was born on May 5, 1888, in the village of Buda, 37 miles east of Minsk, according to her passport. Her parents were poor, landless peasants.

"From my early childhood I didn't know anything but physical labor," said Barysevich, who never learned to read or write. She worked in a kolkhoz, or collective farm, until age 95, then moved to the house she shares with her 78-year-old daughter Nina.

Barysevich lived through the Bolshevik Revolution, two world wars and the collapse of the Soviet Union. The worst period for her was the reign of dictator Josef Stalin: Her husband Ippolit was declared an "enemy of the people" for allegedly harming the collective farm, arrested and taken to Siberia. He was never heard from again.

She raised her three children on her own, including throughout World War II, when she used to take her family to the woods outside the village to hide from the Nazis.

"A lot of men courted me but I preferred to live on my own," she said.

Today, Barysevich moves with difficulty but unaided. She complains of occasional headaches and worsening vision "but nothing else bothers me."

She attributes her longevity to genes: Her paternal grandmother was 113 when she died. As to diet, Barysevich prefers simple village food: homemade sausages, pork fat, milk and bread.

Daughter Nina said her mother has a good appetite, a tough character and very strong nerves.

"Throughout my long life, I understood that it isn't worth it to get upset and take everything too close to the heart," Barysevich said.

For her birthday, she hoped for a raise in her monthly pension, equal to about $50, and a chance to go to a Catholic church for confession.

Last month, the Guinness Book of Records recognized a 114-year-old Puerto Rican as the world's oldest living woman. Barysevich said she'd never thought of applying for the distinction. 








From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May  5 20:25:21 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:25:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405051825.i45IPLM57614@www.god-emil.dk>



"A lot of men courted me but I preferred to live on my own," she said.


alors - romantic love sabotagez longevity.



"Throughout my long life, I understood that it isn't worth it to get upset and take everything too close to the heart," Barysevich said.


the key to immortality is to not care about anything



especially  the  self


ie. jankee MOTHER FUCKERZ KULTUR - new more efficient ways of killing people







http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040505/D82CIJU80.html

unconscious occident MOTHER FUCKERS

rene beekman

>>                 \\ 01 BALKAN KONFEDERAZIE
>
>have said before and will say again; the balkans object against your 
>agitprop and do not wish to be associated with it


inSECT22
 
>>>                 \\ 01 BALKAN KONFEDERAZIE 
>> 
>> have said before and will say again; the balkans object against your 
>> agitprop and do not wish to be associated with it
>
>"Our voices are not raised in any harmonious chorus"













From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May  5 21:04:23 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:04:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: well it's time for mopping up operations
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405051504120.21626@panix2.panix.com>


well it's time for mopping up operations
we did what we could and everyone's underground
there are gibbets and wires
we've moved everyone to times square and turned up the heat
oh we are so unamerican when we torture
but nn's right we're motherfuckerz
bush says that justice will be delivered
but he already delivered it motherfucker

i like mothers and fucking so forgive me everyone
i have borrowed my style for a moment

http://www.asondheim.org/target.mov


_



From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May  5 22:47:30 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 22:47:30 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in
  this  century...
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505224609.01f34ec0@parma.pair.com>

I think this was meant for ALL
(peter is another person I have to answer also privately, just wait I'm 
getting geared for it)

f.

>X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 0
>Delivered-To: online.fr-fmadre at free.fr
>Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 20:06:11 +0200
>From: Peter Luining <email at ctrlaltdel.org>
>Organization: ctrlaltdel
>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) 
>Gecko/20030901 Thunderbird/0.2
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>To: Frederic Madre <fmadre at free.fr>
>Subject: Re: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in 
>this  century...
>
>Frederic Madre wrote:
>>That was a Melon, technically.
>>f.
>>At 19:41 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>>
>>>At 18:46 05/05/2004, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Franz Ferdinand are the unholy love child of the Monochrome Set and 
>>>>ABC. The
>>>>suavely offhand, arch vocal style is *so* Bid-esque. Bubblegum, but it 
>>>>still
>
>
>
>Nothing tastes as real bubblegum
>check out:
>Tommy James & The Shondells
>lemon pipers
>Ohio Express
>fruitgum co.and not to forget our national heroe George Baker with little 
>green bag
>
>
>




From media at ezaic.de  Wed May  5 23:11:35 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 23:11:35 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: [syndicate] Re: [chugchanga-l] re: meanwhile back in
   this  century...
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505224609.01f34ec0@parma.pair.com>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040505224609.01f34ec0@parma.pair.com>
Message-ID: <a0600200cbcbf045059c6@[213.23.155.147]>

>I think this was meant for ALL
>(peter is another person I have to answer also privately, just wait 
>I'm getting geared for it)


>
>f.
>

you still look kind of surprised ...
found this for you:


Metaphor has long been treated with both veneration and suspicion. 
Thomas Hobbes (1651: Part 1, Ch. 4) identified the use of metaphor as 
one of four cardinal abuses of language and his misgivings about the 
power metaphor has to obfuscate and corrupt thinking have been 
characteristic of the empiricist tradition which he helped to 
inaugurate.

http://www.ul.ie/~philos/vol4/metaphor.html


but
the closest to to the 'real' problem might be found here:
http://superstringtheory.com/forum/relboard/messages11/69.html



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May  6 07:01:24 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 07:01:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405060501.i4651OJ58713@www.god-emil.dk>



"Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>

>thanks to your talent I am she but radioactiv

you are god


>fffffffff*

fu*k you 


>"A lot of men courted me but I preferred to live on my own,"

it is trivial kneeling before god


>For her birthday, she hoped for a raise in her monthly pension,

it is trivial kneeling before god







From hub at x-arn.org  Thu May  6 10:47:15 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Thu,  6 May 2004 10:47:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
Message-ID: <20040506084715.9A6B1470B8@baloo.ou-data.net>


u want this bullshit list to continue you better forward this 

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From a at e8z.org  Thu May  6 12:01:52 2004
From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:01:52 +0200
Subject: you must be careful in the forest
Message-ID: <65E5E792-9F44-11D8-9CFF-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>

The Ogress Queen
An Indian (Kashmiri) Tale

People tell a story about a king who had seven wives but no children. 
When he married the first woman, he thought she would bear him a son. 
When she didn't, he married a second with the same hope. When she too 
turned out to be barren, he married a third, then a fourth, and then 
the others. But no son and heir was born to make his heart glad and to 
sit on the throne after him.

Overwhelmed by grief, he was walking in a neighboring wood one day when 
he saw a woman of supernatural beauty.

"Where are you going?" she asked.

"I'm very miserable," he said. "I have seven wives but no son and heir 
to call my own. I came to this wood today hoping to meet some holy man 
who might bless me with a son."

"And you expect to find such a person here in these lonely woods?" she 
asked, laughing. "Only I live here. But I can help you. What will you 
give me if I give you what you wish?"

"Give me a son and you can have half my country."

"I don't want your gold or your country. I want you. Marry me, and you 
shall have a son. and heir."

The king agreed, took the beautiful woman to his palace, and married 
her that very week.

Very soon after that, all the other wives of the king became pregnant. 
However, the king's joy did not last long. The beautiful woman whom he 
had married was really an ogress. She had appeared before the king as a 
lovely woman only to deceive him and work mischief in his palace. Every 
night, when the entire royal household was fast asleep, she would rise 
and go to the stables and pens, and there she would eat an elephant, a 
horse or two, some sheep, or a camel. Once her hunger for raw meat and 
thirst for blood were satisfied, she would return to her room and 
behave as if nothing had happened. At first the king's servants were 
afraid to tell him they were missing some animals. But when the toll 
increased and more and more animals were taken every night, they had to 
go to him. He gave strict orders to protect the palace grounds and 
appointed guards everywhere. But the animals continued to disappear, 
and nobody knew how.

One night, the king was pacing in his room, not knowing what to do. His 
eighth and most beautiful wife said, "What will you give me if I 
discover the thief?"

"Anything. Everything," said the king.

"Very well, then. You rest now, and I'll show you the real culprits in 
the morning."

The king was soon fast asleep, and the wicked queen left the bedchamber 
and went straight to the sheep pens. She killed a sheep, filled an 
earthen pot with its blood, returned to the palace, went to the 
bedrooms of the other seven wives of the king, and stained their mouths 
and clothes with the blood she had brought. Then she went and lay down 
in the royal bedroom where the king was still sleeping. At dawn, she 
woke him up and said to him, "You won't believe this, but your other 
wives, all seven of them, are the true culprits. They eat live animals. 
They are not human beings; they are all ogresses. Beware of them. You 
too are in danger. Go now and see if what I say is not true."

The king did so, and when he saw the bloodstained mouths and clothes of 
his queens, he feared for his life and flew into a rage. He ordered 
that their eyes be put out at once and that they be thrown down a big 
dry well outside the city and left there to starve to death. And it was 
done.

The very next week, one of them gave birth to a son. The starving 
queens, nearly dead of hunger, couldn't help eating the newborn child 
for food. When another queen had a son, he too was eaten. As each of 
the other queens gave birth to a son, that child was devoured in turn. 
The seventh wife, who was the last to give birth, did not eat her 
portions of the other wives' children, but kept them till her own son 
was born. When he was born, she begged them not to kill him but take 
the portions she had saved. So this child alone was spared.

The baby grew and became a strong and beautiful boy. When he was six 
years old, the seven women thought they should show him a bit of the 
outer world. But how? The well was deep, and its sides were 
perpendicular. At last one of them thought of a way. They stood on each 
other's heads, and the one who stood on the top of all took the boy 
with her and put him on the bank at the well's mouth. The little fellow 
ran here and there and finally to the palace nearby, entered the 
kitchen, and begged for some food. He got a lot of scraps. He ate some 
of the food and brought the rest to his mother and the king's other 
wives.

This continued for some time. He grew bigger and taller. One morning 
the cook asked him to stay and prepare the dishes for the king. The 
cook's mother had just died and he had to go and arrange for the 
cremation of the body. The clever boy promised to do his best, and the 
cook left. That day the king was particularly pleased with the dishes. 
Everything was rightly cooked, nicely seasoned, and beautifully served. 
In the evening the cook returned. The king sent for him and 
complimented him on the excellent food he had prepared that day and 
asked him to cook like that every day. The cook was an honest man and 
confessed that he had been absent most of the day because his mother 
had died. He told the king that he had hired a boy to do the cooking 
that day. When he heard this, the king was surprised and commanded the 
cook to employ the boy regularly in the kitchen. From then on, there 
was a great difference in the king's meals and the service, and His 
Majesty was more and more pleased with the boy and sent him many 
presents. The boy took them and all the food he could carry to his 
mother and the king's other wives.

On the way to the well each day, he had to pass a fakir, who always 
blessed him and asked for alms and always received something. Some 
years had passed this way, and the boy had grown up to be a handsome 
young man, when one day by chance the wicked queen saw him. She was 
struck by his good looks. She asked him who he was and where he came 
from. The boy didn't know whom he was talking to and so told her 
everything about himself and his mother and the other queens in the 
well. And from that moment on, the wicked woman began to plot against 
his life. She pretended to be sick and called in a doctor. She bribed 
him to tell the king that she was mortally ill and that nothing but the 
milk of a tigress would cure her.

"My love, what's this I hear?" said the king when he went to see his 
wife. "The doctor says you're very ill, and that you should drink the 
milk of a tigress. But how can we get it? Who will dare milk a 
tigress?"

"I think I know someone who is brave enough to milk a tigress
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the lad who serves the cook in the palace kitchen. He is brave and 
faithful, and he'll do anything you ask him to do, out of gratitude for 
all you've done for him."

When the king asked the young man to go and get the milk of a tigress, 
he readily agreed. When he started out the next day, against all the 
women's wails and protests, he met the fakir on the way. When the fakir 
heard of his dangerous errand, he said to the young man, "Don't go. Who 
are you to take on such derring-do?" But the fellow was determined to 
win the king's favor and he was also eager for adventure. The fakir 
finally said, "All right, then follow my advice and you'll succeed. 
I'll tell you where to go. When you meet the tigress, aim a small arrow 
at one of her teats. When the arrow strikes her, she will ask you why 
you shot at her. Then tell her that you didn't mean to kill her, but 
only to make a bigger hole in her teats so that she could feed her cubs 
more quickly. Tell her that you pitied the cubs, who looked weak and 
sickly as if they needed more milk." Then, with the fakir's blessing, 
he went to the forest to look for the tigress.

The young man soon saw a tigress with cubs, aimed an arrow at one of 
the teats, and struck it. The tigress angrily asked him why he had 
attacked her. He replied as the fakir had told him to, and added that 
the queen was dangerously ill and needed the tigress's milk for her 
cure. "The queen!" said the tigress. "Let her die! Don't you know she 
is an ogress? Keep away from her. She'll kill you and eat you."

"I'm not afraid," said the young man. "Her Majesty is not my enemy."

"Very well, I'll give you some of my milk, but beware of the queen. 
Look here," said the tigress, taking him to an immense rock, "I'll let 
a drop of my milk fall on this rock and you'll see what happens." As 
soon as she did so, the rock split into a thousand pieces! "You see the 
power of my milk. Yet if that queen were to drink the whole of my milk, 
it would not have the slightest effect on her. She is an ogress, I tell 
you. Go and see for yourself."

The young man returned and gave the milk to the king, who took it to 
his wife. She drank all of it in one gulp and pretended to be cured. 
The king was very impressed with the young man and promoted him to a 
higher position. But the queen was determined to put an end to him and 
was still plotting. After some days, she pretended to be ill again, and 
told the king, "I'm getting ill again, but don't worry about me. My 
grandfather lives in the same jungle as the tigress who gave the young 
man her milk. He has a special medicine that would cure me. Please ask 
the brave young man to go and get it for me. "

So the young man started out again, and when he passed the fakir, the 
fakir said to him, "Where are you going?" The young man told him.

"Don't go," said the fakir. "This man is an ogre and will certainly 
kill you." But the young man was not to be talked out of it. "You must 
go? Then go, but listen to me first. When you see the ogre, call him 
Grandfather. He will ask you to scratch his back, which you must do
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but do it very roughly."

The young man promised, and went. The jungle was fearful and dense and 
he thought he would never reach the ogre's house. At last he saw him, 
and cried out, "Grandfather, I'm your daughter's son. My mother is ill 
and she says you have the right medicine for her. She has sent me for 
it."

"All right," said the ogre, "I'll give it to you. But first come here 
and scratch my back. It's itching terribly." The ogre lied, for his 
back did not itch. He only wanted to see whether or not the young 
fellow was the true son of an ogress. When the young man dug his nails 
into the old ogre's flesh and made as if he would scratch some of it 
off, the ogre asked him to stop, gave him the medicine, patted him, and 
sent him back. When the king gave the medicine to his wife, she was 
secretly full of rage. But the king was now more pleased with the young 
man than ever and gave him large gifts.

The wicked queen was now at her wits' end to know what to do with such 
a lad. She wanted him out of the way but she didn't want the king to 
know it. The fellow had escaped from the claws of a tigress and the 
clutches of her grandfather. How did he do it? What could she do to 
him? Finally she decided to send him to her grandmother, a terrible old 
ogress who lived in a house in the woods. "This time, he will not come 
back," she said to herself, and said to the king, "I've a very valuable 
comb at my grandmother's place. Could you send the young man to bring 
it to me? I'll give him a letter to take to my grandmother." The king 
agreed and the lad started out, passing the fakir's place as usual. 
When he told him where he was going and showed him the queen's letter, 
the fakir said, "Let me read it."

When he had read it, he said, "You're going there to be killed. This 
letter is an order for your death. Listen to this: The bearer is my 
enemy. I cannot rest as long as he is alive. Kill him as soon as this 
reaches you."

The boy shook a little when he heard these terrible words, but he 
didn't wish to break his promise to the king even if it cost him his 
life. So the fakir tore up the queen's letter and wrote a new one which 
said, "This is my son. I want him to meet his great-grandmother. Take 
care of him and show him a good time." The fakir then gave the new 
letter to him and said, "Call the woman Grandma, and don't be afraid of 
her."

The young man walked on and on till he reached the old ogress' house. 
He called her Grandma and gave her the letter. The old hag read the 
letter and hugged and kissed him, and asked how her granddaughter and 
her royal husband were doing. She attended to him in all sorts of ways 
and gave him every valuable thing she could think of. Among other 
things, she gave him a bar of soap that became a huge mountain when it 
was thrown to the grounds a jar full of needles that became a hill 
bristling with thorns when thrown down, and a jar of water that became 
a wide lake when spilled on the ground She also showed him various 
secret things and explained their meaning: seven fine cocks, a spinning 
wheel, a pigeon, a starling, and a bottle of medicine.

"These seven cocks," she said, "contain the lives of your seven uncles, 
who are in different parts of the world. No power can hurt them as long 
as these seven cocks are safe. That's why I keep them here. The 
spinning wheel contains my life. If it's broken, I'll be broken and 
will die. Otherwise, I'll live forever. The pigeon contains your 
grandfather's life, and the starling your mother's. As long as they 
live, nothing can harm your grandfather or your mother. And this 
medicine can give sight to the blind."

The young man thanked the ogress for all the things she had given him 
and for all the things she had shown him. In the morning, when the 
ogress went to bathe in the river, he took the seven cocks and the 
pigeon and killed them, and dashed the spinning wheel to the ground and 
broke it to pieces. As he destroyed the birds and the spinning wheel, 
the ogress, the ogre, and their seven sons in different parts of the 
world perished, making horrible sounds. Then he put the starling in a 
cage, took it and the precious medicine for restoring sight to the 
blind, and started back for the king's palace. His first stop was at 
the well, where he gave the eye medicine to his mother and the other 
women and restored their eyesight. They all clambered out of the well 
and went with him to the palace. He asked them to wait in one of the 
rooms while he went to the king and prepared him for their coming.

"O king," he said, "I've many secrets to reveal. Please hear me. Your 
wife is a ogress, and has been plotting against my life because she 
knows I am the son of one of your wives. You remember the seven queens 
you threw into a well at her instigation? I am your son by the seventh 
queen. Your eighth queen, the ogress, is afraid you'll discover one day 
soon who I am and that I'll become heir to the throne. She wants me 
dead. I've just slain her father and mother and seven brothers, and now 
I'll kill her. Her life is in this starling." Saying this, he twisted 
the neck of the bird, and the wicked queen died on the spot with a 
broken neck. And when she died, her original, ghastly ogress form 
returned to her as she lay sprawled on the ground. "Now come with me," 
he said to his father, and took him to his seven queens. "Here are your 
true wives. There were seven sons born to your house, but six of them 
died to satisfy the pangs of hunger in that well of death. Only I have 
survived."

"Oh, what have I done!" cried the king. "I was deceived, I was blind, 
and I've done terrible things to my innocent wives." And he wept 
bitterly.

He gave his kingdom into the hands of his only son, who governed it 
wisely. The young king also conquered the surrounding countries with 
the help of the magic bar of soap, the needles, and the water that the 
ogress had given him. The old king spent the rest of his days happily 
with his seven good wives.

From eric.m at bobig.com  Thu May  6 14:40:25 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 14:40:25 +0200
Subject: P2P
Message-ID: <409A3239.1080508@bobig.com>

download and create your own bobig's show at home

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rigolote translation
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From sonnet at crimsonfeet.org  Thu May  6 15:27:41 2004
From: sonnet at crimsonfeet.org (Prayas Abhinav)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:57:41 +0530
Subject: Crimson Feet, Volume 3 : Theme, Scope and A Call for Entries
Message-ID: <409A3D4D.6000304@crimsonfeet.org>

Crimson Feet, Volume 3
Theme, Scope and A Call for Entries
Newsletter, Issue 1, 5th May'04

-----------------------------------------------***

Crimson Feet, the bi-monthly journal of evolutionary art and writing is
publishing its third volume in May'04. This note presents a brief
outline of the pervading theme, structure, scope and a call for new work.

Volume 3 - Theme:
*Poof* - the pyramid's gone and so is the mythical underground

Approaches:
The pyramid as a hierarchy is a classical symbol of the burden the
underdog carries on his shoulder. The burden of the need to rise up the
hierarchy, the burden of the need to survive, the burden of living with
the conscious presence of accomplished and 'risen'. But the pyramid can
also be equity, a disintegrated pyramid is a maze, an integrated pyramid
is a multi-dimension.

The pyramid as a hierarchy is a product of the universal lack of
conviction.

Scope:
Essays, art, poetry, fiction looking at the pyramid structurally. A
study of the structure of the pyramid as well as its deformations and
mutations can reveal some interesting things about hierarchies, the
underground and the *Poof* effect. The *Poof* effect has been felt by
numerous individuals and organizations at different points in their
life. It suddenly makes you feel
liberated and free to do anything, to feel anything, even 'happiness';
some instances of the *Poof* would be interesting. Strains of humour or
sarcasm will fit in well. Interpretation can be with any foci.
Specifically work which draws similarities and 'cross-solutions' across
different genres and fields e.g. open-source, the software industry and
the music industry is a ready example.

A Call for Entries:
We need new essays, fiction, art, a work of graphic fiction and poetry
which are vaguely or distinctly related to the above theme.

Anyone can send in their work, submissions are accepted only through our
online community center ( http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org )

Deadline for the third issue: May 15th 2004.

We pay Rs 250 for all work accepted for publication.

The-pickup-line: "Owe, you never understand me."

-----------------------------------------------***

Other spaces:
Work not confined to this theme will be considered for future issues.

Other relevant information:
Submissions are accepted online only at our community center at -
http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org

Know and read more about the magazine at http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org
, Crimson Feet, is a new short-staffed, resource-starved magazine which
is the world's first community owned, community-moderated,
community-created print magazine. And yes it is also community-bought,
something which we would like to correct, buy a subscription and get
somebody to buy one.

evolved art & writing, which doesn't try too hard to bore you.

-----------------------------------------------***

Crimson Feet Magazine,
published from Ahmedabad, India
contact: mail at crimsonfeet.org , 91-079-8311979
B2 Shree Krishna Apartments,
Near Lad Society, Vastrapur,
Ahmedabad ? 380015

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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May  6 05:14:00 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 05:14:00 +0200
Subject: Ceci n'est pas un virus
Message-ID: <2cdf01c43318$2dba6b00$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May  6 06:45:35 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 06:45:35 +0200
Subject: Fw: [syndicate] 
Message-ID: <2e1b01c43324$f90eea40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

other test

Let's notice that I am She but back-radioactiv as Belarus



> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <integer at www.god-emil.dk>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:16 PM
> Subject: [syndicate]
>
>
> >
> >
> > genes - genes get turned on/off by lifestyle
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > AP ? Reuters ? Photos
> >
> > Belarus Woman Celebrates 116th Birthday
> > Email this Story
> >
> > May 5, 1:52 PM (ET)
> > By YURAS KARMANAU
> > (AP) Belarusian Hanna Barysevich, believed to be the oldest woman in the
> world, is seen at home outside...
> > Full Image
> >
> > MINSK, Belarus (AP) - A woman believed to be the oldest in the world
> celebrated her 116th birthday Wednesday in the former Soviet republic of
> Belarus.
> >
> > "I'll drink to my own health with pleasure," said Hanna Barysevich, a
> former farm worker who lives in a house outside the Belarusian capital
> Minsk.
> >
> > "I'm tired of living already, but God still hasn't collected me," she
said
> with a smile.
> >
> > Barysevich was born on May 5, 1888, in the village of Buda, 37 miles
east
> of Minsk, according to her passport. Her parents were poor, landless
> peasants.
> >
> > "From my early childhood I didn't know anything but physical labor,"
said
> Barysevich, who never learned to read or write. She worked in a kolkhoz,
or
> collective farm, until age 95, then moved to the house she shares with her
> 78-year-old daughter Nina.
> >
> > Barysevich lived through the Bolshevik Revolution, two world wars and
the
> collapse of the Soviet Union. The worst period for her was the reign of
> dictator Josef Stalin: Her husband Ippolit was declared an "enemy of the
> people" for allegedly harming the collective farm, arrested and taken to
> Siberia. He was never heard from again.
> >
> > She raised her three children on her own, including throughout World War
> II, when she used to take her family to the woods outside the village to
> hide from the Nazis.
> >
> > "A lot of men courted me but I preferred to live on my own," she said.
> >
> > Today, Barysevich moves with difficulty but unaided. She complains of
> occasional headaches and worsening vision "but nothing else bothers me."
> >
> > She attributes her longevity to genes: Her paternal grandmother was 113
> when she died. As to diet, Barysevich prefers simple village food:
homemade
> sausages, pork fat, milk and bread.
> >
> > Daughter Nina said her mother has a good appetite, a tough character and
> very strong nerves.
> >
> > "Throughout my long life, I understood that it isn't worth it to get
upset
> and take everything too close to the heart," Barysevich said.
> >
> > For her birthday, she hoped for a raise in her monthly pension, equal to
> about $50, and a chance to go to a Catholic church for confession.
> >
> > Last month, the Guinness Book of Records recognized a 114-year-old
Puerto
> Rican as the world's oldest living woman. Barysevich said she'd never
> thought of applying for the distinction.
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From prayas_abhinav at crimsonfeet.org  Thu May  6 15:27:14 2004
From: prayas_abhinav at crimsonfeet.org (Prayas Abhinav)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:57:14 +0530
Subject: Crimson Feet, Volume 3 : Theme, Scope and A Call for Entries
Message-ID: <409A3D32.7030808@crimsonfeet.org>

Crimson Feet, Volume 3
Theme, Scope and A Call for Entries
Newsletter, Issue 1, 5th May'04

-----------------------------------------------***

Crimson Feet, the bi-monthly journal of evolutionary art and writing is 
publishing its third volume in May'04. This note presents a brief 
outline of the pervading theme, structure, scope and a call for new work.

Volume 3 - Theme:
*Poof* - the pyramid's gone and so is the mythical underground

Approaches:
The pyramid as a hierarchy is a classical symbol of the burden the 
underdog carries on his shoulder. The burden of the need to rise up the 
hierarchy, the burden of the need to survive, the burden of living with 
the conscious presence of accomplished and 'risen'. But the pyramid can 
also be equity, a disintegrated pyramid is a maze, an integrated pyramid 
is a multi-dimension.

The pyramid as a hierarchy is a product of the universal lack of 
conviction.

Scope:
Essays, art, poetry, fiction looking at the pyramid structurally. A 
study of the structure of the pyramid as well as its deformations and 
mutations can reveal some interesting things about hierarchies, the 
underground and the *Poof* effect. The *Poof* effect has been felt by 
numerous individuals and organizations at different points in their 
life. It suddenly makes you feel
liberated and free to do anything, to feel anything, even 'happiness'; 
some instances of the *Poof* would be interesting. Strains of humour or 
sarcasm will fit in well. Interpretation can be with any foci. 
Specifically work which draws similarities and 'cross-solutions' across 
different genres and fields e.g. open-source, the software industry and 
the music industry is a ready example.

A Call for Entries:
We need new essays, fiction, art, a work of graphic fiction and poetry 
which are vaguely or distinctly related to the above theme.

Anyone can send in their work, submissions are accepted only through our 
online community center ( http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org )

Deadline for the third issue: May 15th 2004.

We pay Rs 250 for all work accepted for publication.

The-pickup-line: "Owe, you never understand me."

-----------------------------------------------***

Other spaces:
Work not confined to this theme will be considered for future issues.

Other relevant information:
Submissions are accepted online only at our community center at -
http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org

Know and read more about the magazine at http://magazine.crimsonfeet.org 
, Crimson Feet, is a new short-staffed, resource-starved magazine which 
is the world's first community owned, community-moderated, 
community-created print magazine. And yes it is also community-bought, 
something which we would like to correct, buy a subscription and get 
somebody to buy one.

evolved art & writing, which doesn't try too hard to bore you.

-----------------------------------------------***

Crimson Feet Magazine,
published from Ahmedabad, India
contact: mail at crimsonfeet.org , 91-079-8311979
B2 Shree Krishna Apartments,
Near Lad Society, Vastrapur,
Ahmedabad ? 380015

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------





From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May  6 23:13:23 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 23:13:23 +0200
Subject: Melon of the day
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040506231254.01efb2b8@pop.free.fr>

Dude!
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/

f.




From info at realtokyo.co.jp  Fri May  7 04:51:24 2004
From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:51:24 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 178
Message-ID: <6DBE9623-9FD1-11D8-A7A0-00039390B296@realtokyo.co.jp>

R    E    A    L    T    O    K    Y    O    MAIL MAGAZINE
_____5_7_2004_Fri_vol.178_____ http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/



[This Week's Index]

(1) Tokyo Editors' Diary
Goto Shigeo ("Tokyo Gathering") Vol. 009

(2) Event Pick of the Week
Lightology-2
by Usui Haruka

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Goto Shigeo ("Tokyo Gathering") Vol. 009

April

If you asked me for the most exciting thing I did recently, that
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Lightology-2

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From replic88t at replic88t.net  Fri May  7 11:10:43 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic88t at replic88t.net)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:10:43 +0200
Subject: ello! =))
Message-ID: <tmkyydqompeyhqacxwt@replic88t.net>

 I  don't  bite, weah!

password  --  12025
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From mpalmer at jps.net  Fri May  7 02:52:38 2004
From: mpalmer at jps.net (mpalmer at jps.net)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 02:52:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: EM-PYRE
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EM-PYRE

Tenderness is such a waste,
when a fist will do as well.
Violence is timeless,
for hearts lifted by the weeds.
Cut to the chase, and it's genocide.


mwp



From arspublica at kunst.no  Fri May  7 01:55:24 2004
From: arspublica at kunst.no (arspublica at kunst.no)
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Subject: Administration
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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May  7 07:44:23 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 01:44:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: birth
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405070144160.19929@panix3.panix.com>




birth

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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May  7 00:09:55 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:09:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: No subject
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From: ericz at eunet.yu (Zoran Eric)
Date: 7 May 2004 08:23:33 -0000
Subject: Your contact info
Message-ID: <1083918213.13922.1727.sendUpdate@mx.plaxo.com>

syndicate at anart.no,

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your latest contact information. Your information is stored in
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From online at impakt.nl  Fri May  7 13:18:07 2004
From: online at impakt.nl (Impakt Online)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:18:07 +0200
Subject: Open call Impakt Online 2004: TRANSLATION
Message-ID: <a06002006bcc120e5c818@[82.82.101.110]>

Open call Impakt Online 2004

The Impakt foundation invites to artists to send proposals for their 
online art project Impakt Online. Impakt would like to show six 
projects by artists who use the Internet as medium as a starting 
point for their work (net. art).

The Impakt foundation started in 1988 by organising the Impakt 
Festival in Utrecht, the Netherlands. At this festival Impakt 
presents its audience with the newest developments in the audiovisual 
arts, film, video, new media and music.

Impakt Online
Since 2003 Impakt expanded their terrain with Impakt Online. Impakt 
Online gives artists the opportunity to realise their net.art 
projects. Each year, Impakt Online selects six artists and supports 
them in accomplishing and presenting their net.art projects. Impakt 
deliberately chooses projects which use specific elements of the 
Internet. Next to projects that exclusively exist on the Internet, 
Impakt Online actively looks for projects which connect the Internet 
to the real world and vice versa.

During the past year Impakt Online has worked with three themes which 
were used as a starting point for the artists. Different artists have 
developed projects within these themes, some of these projects 
include Beadgee by Tamar Schori, E-bay Longing and the Inhabitants by 
Marika Dermineur.

Impakt Online 2004: Translation
Impakt Online has chosen the theme: 'Translation' for the projects 
that will be realised this year. In the world of the Internet, 
translation is a daily practice. It can be a computertranslation from 
Russian to English, from one programming language to another, or a 
transformation of data relating to physical and tangible occurences 
to virtual and digital data.

The intention of Impakt Online is to research in which matter 
translation plays a role for artists who produce art on the Internet, 
or make use of its structure.

The way in which artists make use of the Internet to develop its own 
aesthetics and means of translation is important for the realisation 
of the themes. Impakt Online wants to use the term translation to 
investigate the use of the Internet in a critical and fundamental way.

The practical implications of translation can take different forms. A 
possible form can be a translation between real and virtual worlds. 
These are projects in which elements from the real world are being 
translated to a virtual environment or vice versa. Of course a 
translation between virtual environments, (like translation of online 
user input) can also be a possibility. Translation of this tangible, 
often quantitative data between environments can lead to new points 
of view.
Another form can be the translation of more qualitative data, such as 
transferring exisiting cultural, aestethic or social themes, into 
various medial online formats.

Procedure
Since Impakt runs a tight schedule, we urge artists to hand in their 
proposals as soon as possible. Our deadline for submission has been 
set on juli 1st.

Only proposals that are relevant to the theme will be taken into 
account. Projects that have already been publicly presented are 
excluded from participitation.

A proposal has to consist of the following parts:

- an abstract of the concept. (200 to 400 words)
- a summary of the technical and productional plan. (200 words max.)
- a summary of the relation between the project and the theme 
'translation' or one of the subthemes. (200 words max.)
- information about the phase the project is in at the moment, the 
steps which have to be taken to finishing the project, pertaining to 
the current project phase, and the estimated budget that is needed to 
finish it.

Please note that all proposals must be in English. The final project 
should also be in English unless of course the use of other languages 
is part of the concept of the proposed project.

Please send in your proposal by email to: online at impakt.nl

Impakt Online is looking forward to your proposal!



From media at ezaic.de  Fri May  7 14:06:34 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 14:06:34 +0200
Subject: media impakt - support for South Eastern Europe
Message-ID: <a06002008bcc12b7641f0@[82.82.101.110]>

Media-Im-Pakt - Programme information
Media-Im-Pakt was created to promote projects that

1.	have been evaluated positively by the 
Media Task Force in Brussels or the National 
               Working Group in the respective country,
2.	generally improve the working conditions in the media,
3.	take into consideration transnational aspects and cultural diversity,
4.	strengthen civil society and individual 
citizens' sense of responsibility as well as the 
role
               of women,
5.	reflect the demand for local and regional initiatives.

http://www.ifa.de/media-im-pakt/emedia_antrag.htm

Consideration of applications
Applications - in electronic format - should be sent directly to ifa at
media-im-pakt at ifa.de

and, in addition, as a print-out to the postal address:
Institut für Auslandsbeziehungen e.V.
Media-Im-Pakt
P.O. Box 10 24 63
D-70020 Stuttgart
In the interest of a speedy processing of the 
application, only fully completed forms will be 
accepted. For the application to have a chance of 
success, it must also comply with the project 
subsidy guidelines and media project criteria 
stipulated by the stability pact.
Please be informed that the deadline for the 2nd 
application turn in 2004 is March 31st 2004. For 
the 3rd turn applications must be submitted to 
ifa by 15th May 2004. A decision (taken in 
conjunction with the Foreign Office) can then be 
expected by end of April/middle of June 2004. If 
your application has been approved, you will 
receive confirmation of the grant, i.e. a 
contract letter.




From dru_list at druh.co.uk  Fri May  7 18:22:54 2004
From: dru_list at druh.co.uk (DRU_list)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 18:22:54 +0200
Subject: ARTIST IN RESIDENCE OPPORTUNITY / DRU {26}
Message-ID: <a0600200cbcc1683b801a@[82.82.101.110]>

=================================================
DRU {26} / 07.05.04 /
=================================================
http://www.druh.co.uk
=================================================
ARTIST IN RESIDENCE [AiR] 2004
OPEN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS

+ + DEADLINE: FRIDAY 28 MAY 2004 + +

ABOUT THE RESIDENCY

Residency Period
3 months

Dates
July 04 - Sept 04

Location
Huddersfield, England

The AiR programme at The Media Centre aims to
support the exploration and development of new
work in digital/interactive/network media and
technology based arts practice. The residency
provides time and resources to artists in a
supportive environment to facilitate the creation
of new work; we encourage a cross disciplinary and
experimental approach. This is a practice based
residency designed to enable the development and
completion of a new work.

Benefits

ï Time and space to develop ideas
ï Accommodation in large 2 bedroom apartment
ï 24/7 access to technical facilities
ï Technical support
ï Contribution to travel costs to and from
Huddersfield
ï Free internet access
ï Bursary of £700 [GBP] per month
ï Small materials fund
ï Opportunities to present your work
ï Introductions to regional and national
organisations
ï Invitations to cultural events
ï Introduction to local art/cultural scene

* Applicants may bring partners or families but
we cannot offer financial support for them.

If you would like to know more about this
opportunity please visit:

http://www.druh.co.uk
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subscribe/unsubscribe:
http://emaillists.druh.co.uk/dru/email_signup.asp
=================================================




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May  7 20:36:54 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 20:36:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405071836.i47IasM61555@www.god-emil.dk>



"I never wanted to be famous. I just wanted to have babies," she said.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0506-02.htm



ost.eu - simply.superior







From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May  7 20:51:23 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 20:51:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405071851.i47IpNf61576@www.god-emil.dk>





>In a sermon at Friday prayers in a Kufa mosque, al-Sadr rejected Bush's apology for the abuse. 
>And an al-Sadr aide, Sheik Abdul-Sattar al-Bahadli, offered worshippers 
>in Basra up to $350 for the capture of a British soldier - adding that anyone capturing 
>a female soldier can keep her as a slave - apparently in retaliation for the treatment of Iraqi prisoners.


employees are slaves already




>"Torture flourishes in the dark," said the organization's executive director, Kenneth Roth. 
>"If the Bush administration really wants to put a stop to torture in U.S. detention facilities, 
>it has to open them up to outside scrutiny."


if he doesnt ... united hideous snakes of amerika will invade him






>Rumsfeld apologized for the abuse and told a Senate committee on Friday 
>he favors compensating the victims for their suffering.


a bon. Rumsfeld [nice name MOTHER FUCKER] should be compensated for his visage.








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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May  8 19:46:07 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 19:46:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ what the FUCK does it take for americans to impeach this criminal
Message-ID: <200405081746.i48Hk7N65805@www.god-emil.dk>





>"This has been a difficult few weeks," Bush said. 

these, you illiterate jankee MOTHER FUCKER



>"Yet our forces will stay on the offensive, 
>finding and confronting the killers and terrorists who are 
>trying to undermine the progress of democracy in Iraq."


the MOTHER FUCKER better hope einstein was RIGHT when he whispered - the self is an optical illusion 
else he may have to "find and confront" himself - perhaps stick some benadryl in the bucal orifice
like the illiterate criminal MOTHER FUCKERS at Cycling74 INC.









More Bad News May Be on the Way for Bush
Email this Story

May 8, 1:22 PM (ET)
By TERENCE HUNT 
(AP) George W. Bush speaks to supporters at a campaign rally Friday May 7, 2004 Prairie Du Chien, Wi. ...
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WASHINGTON (AP) - In one of the darkest weeks of his administration, President Bush saw America's reputation sullied, the U.S. effort in Iraq damaged and his own campaign for re-election clouded. And more bad news may be on the way.

While the world already has been horrified by pictures of American soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners, the Pentagon warns there are many more photos and videos that have not been disclosed.

They show "acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman," embattled Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress.

>From the White House to Capitol Hill, policy-makers are worried that the United States faces lasting damage abroad - particularly in the Middle East - from the pictures of naked Arab men being tortured and humiliated by American soldiers, the same forces sent to Iraq to liberate the country from Saddam Hussein's torture and repression.

Analysts describe the pictures as great recruiting tools for al-Qaida and other extremist groups and said they undermine America's claims to a moral high ground. Rumsfeld said the impact was "radioactive."

Bush, in his weekly radio address Saturday, said, "They are a stain on our country's honor and reputation." He said the abuses were the work of a few and do not reflect the overall character of the 200,000 members of the U.S. military who have served in Iraq in the past year.

Six months from the November elections, Iraq weighs heavily on the president.

April was the deadliest month yet for American soldiers in Iraq and May is off to a bloody start.

On the diplomatic front, the administration does not know who will take power in Iraq from the United States in a June 30 handover.

Costs are soaring. The administration has sent Congress an unexpected $25 billion request for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Day after day, the extraordinary apologies from the president and his top deputies dominated the news.

Pollsters and presidential experts are scratching their heads over how the prisoner scandal will affect Bush's re-election hopes.

"There's such a big question mark there, it's unlike anything we've seen before," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center.

"The public is very critical of (Bush's) management of Iraq. They don't think he has a clear plan for bringing it to a successful conclusion, but a thin majority of the public has been hanging in with that it was the right decision to go to war," Kohut said. "This could be the event which makes people say 'Oh, we did make a mistake.'"

Political scientist James Thurber of American University likened the Iraq images to the infamous Vietnam pictures of a naked young girl fleeing a napalm attack and a Viet Cong prisoner being executed on a Saigon street.

Referring to the new pictures, Thurber said, "That's what we're going to remember about Iraq. It's just not going to go away. That may have a lasting and negative effect on his campaign. It certainly does right now and I think you'll see it in the polls immediately."

Support for Bush's handling of foreign policy and terrorism, usually his strongest issue, was at 50 percent in an Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Friday. That compares with 55 percent a month ago.

Kurt Campbell, a former Pentagon official during the Clinton administration, said it was too early to tell whether Rumsfeld would be able to keep his job.

"The real issue is there's more stuff that's going to come out that is troubling, beyond humiliation and torture. Deaths I think," said Campbell, director of international security at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"And there's going to be quite a long record of warnings that were either ignore or dismissed. And that I think is going to be problematic," Campbell said.

Lawmakers worried the pictures would harm U.S. credibility for years, perhaps decades. While the United States champions freedom and democracy in Iraq, the pictures show vivid scenes of cruelty and insensitivity.

Splashed across front pages across the Middle East and around the world, the pictures may undermine "the substantial gains toward the goal of peace and freedom in various operation areas of the world, most particularly Iraq," said Sen. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Michigan Sen. Carl Levin, the committee's top Democrat, said the abuses "dishonored our military and our nation and they made the prospects for success in Iraq even more difficult than they already are."

Added Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla.: "This was a political and public relations Pearl Harbor."

Bush pledged in his radio address that the United States would not be thrown into retreat.

"This has been a difficult few weeks," Bush said. "Yet our forces will stay on the offensive, finding and confronting the killers and terrorists who are trying to undermine the progress of democracy in Iraq."

---

EDITOR'S NOTE: Terence Hunt has covered every president since Ronald Reagan. 














From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May  8 20:12:59 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 20:12:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405081812.i48ICxu65843@www.god-emil.dk>



nice fairytale - konekt dze dotz

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0508-02.htm








From loy at myrealbox.com  Sat May  8 21:50:33 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (loy at myrealbox.com)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 21:50:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [shakeZkknut] I want the spirit of Syndicate to awaken ! - http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut/
Message-ID: <200405081950.i48JoXjO007653@anart.no>


Psycho Pompus Print: air - glassSlipper
name: candle therapy
mailto:loy at myrealbox.com
http://www.candle-therapy.co.uk/57/otne-candle.html

and I whisper:

( otne candle )
http://www.candle-therapy.co.uk/57/otne-candle.html




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  9 02:01:32 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 02:01:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405090001.i4901Ws66517@www.god-emil.dk>






http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,1211248,00.html













From james at teleportacia.org  Thu May  6 23:05:08 2004
From: james at teleportacia.org (James Allan)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:05:08 +0100
Subject: [syndicate] you must be careful in the forest
In-Reply-To: <65E5E792-9F44-11D8-9CFF-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>
References: <65E5E792-9F44-11D8-9CFF-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>
Message-ID: <409AA884.2080206@teleportacia.org>

 > "I think I know someone who is brave enough to milk a tigress


Milking tigress' is for kids. Try milking a tiger.








From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  9 20:30:14 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:30:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405091830.i49IUEq67714@www.god-emil.dk>


>/55\Torture 
>
>Georg Hajdu 55 at bek.no 

>I'm not the slightest bit surprised about the accounts of torture in 
>Iraq. It was meant to happen, as this was the consequence of a mindset 
>that was rampant since 9/11, or maybe even since Bush's election in 
>2000. There was a landmark article in the LA Times in 2001 in which the 
>use of torture was at least seen as justifiable and which was greeted 
>with much approval. When the American army waltzed into Iraq last year, 
>one of the TV commentators, an American army general, spoke with such 
>colonial contempt about the people there "never having seen camels like 
>that before" (referring to American tanks) that the dehumanization 
>we're witnessing was just the logical outcome. The pendulum is swinging 
>back: While Bush & Co. had the license to do with Guantanamo inmates 
>whatever they choose to do, the world public is starting to watch a bit 
>more closely and is appalled by what they're seeing. Poor America!


mda - Poor occident.


democratia voastra este o iluzie, artificiala, incompetenta si abstracta,
bazata pe exploatarea si destabilizarea psihologica si spirituala.

mentionezi tortura in iraq - intreaga democratie occidentala este un mod subtil de tortura.

up your `1st world` MOTHER FUCKING life style







Georg Hajdu 55 at bek.no 

/55\Torture 


post your democratic sentiments on the simply.criminal Cycling74 lists, o modern citizen
ipocroti++









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  9 20:32:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 20:32:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405091832.i49IWI467725@www.god-emil.dk>



James Allan <james at teleportacia.org> - another 1 dimensional degenerate MOTHER FUCKER
                                       demonstrating his 1st world occident childhood


> > "I think I know someone who is brave enough to milk a tigress
>
>
>Milking tigress' is for kids. Try milking a tiger.


milking tigers = simply.amerikan
try understanding the fairy tale 1st world MOTHER FUCKER








From media at ezaic.de  Sun May  9 22:22:34 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 22:22:34 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405091832.i49IWI467725@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405091832.i49IWI467725@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a0600200dbcc43e091c34@[82.82.88.200]>

>
>try understanding the fairy tale

hm .. I tried .. and at the end it tells me that

who listens to the wise gains power and then is free to happily use
without reservations
what he knows is wicked to surrender others



looks to me as if this is exactly what the occident tries to follow

same stories everywhere?



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May  9 22:20:30 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 22:20:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405092020.i49KKUM67825@www.god-emil.dk>







>>try understanding the fairy tale
>
>hm .. I tried .. and at the end it tells me that
>
>who listens to the wise gains power and then is free to happily use
>without reservations
>what he knows is wicked to surrender others
>
>
>
>looks to me as if this is exactly what the occident tries to follow
>
>same stories everywhere?


oui mais stories = metaphors which open in myriad of maniere not unlike
human beings ... the 7th mother loved her son more than herself
which enabled the survival of all 

looks to me as if this is exactly what ost.europa tries to follow



-

as for the MOTHER FUCKER James Allan <james at teleportacia.org>
xy humour is strictly forbidden on Syndicate and carries steep financial penalties











From hub at x-arn.org  Sun May  9 23:29:54 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Sun,  9 May 2004 23:29:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
Message-ID: <20040509212954.82E36470B8@baloo.ou-data.net>


KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut

no commercial use of the textsK006289



Media-Im-Pakt - Programme information

Media-Im-Pakt was creaKissP=E1l, Nita Mocanu, Patatics

Alexandru, Florin Tudor & Mona VatamanK009268



should have written 'lager'

but we're not so t=E2tillons,

aKit For Independent Media



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=46our workshops newday, strong opposition is being expressed to attemp
ts to legalize

softwday I wondered what a rubber ducky sounded like:



http://skazat.com/judo, 13 Mar, 17:00:00 TMG, 1 minuto de silencio pela
s vitimas do atentado

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From media at ezaic.de  Sun May  9 23:42:07 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 23:42:07 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405092020.i49KKUM67825@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405092020.i49KKUM67825@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a06002016bcc45606bb9d@[82.82.88.200]>

>
>as for the MOTHER FUCKER James Allan <james at teleportacia.org>
>xy humour is strictly forbidden on Syndicate and carries steep 
>financial penalties
>

time to say


Dude!

                      I guess



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May 10 00:20:27 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 00:20:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405092220.i49MKRf67971@www.god-emil.dk>




>>as for the MOTHER FUCKER James Allan <james at teleportacia.org>
>>xy humour is strictly forbidden on Syndicate and carries steep 
>>financial penalties
>>
>
>time to say
>
>
>Dude!
>
>                      I guess


there = 01 motor home parked in the church parking lot.
2 jankees step out. they have faaaaat legs.

time to introduce the .ro xy character bula ...

bula: tata, care este diferenta dintre practik si teoretik.
tata: pai, dute si intreab-o pe maicata daca ar avea sex cu vecinu' pentru $100.
bula: bine.

bula: mama, tu ai avea sex cu vecinu' pentru $100?
mama: pai, de ce nu!

bula: a zis ca da, ar face.
tata: dute si intreab-o pe sora ta daca ar face si ea sex cu vecinu'

bula: ei, tu ai face sex cu vecinu' pentru $50?
sora: da maaaaaa, desigur!!

bula: pai, si ea ea zis ca ar face.
tata: vezi ma bula ... in teorie noi ar trebuii sa avem $150, dar in practica noi avem 2 curve.



... cind se mai insmechereste bula o sa-l intrebe si care este diferenta dintre 
un art theorist si o curva


i cant believe i'm telling you this. time has indeed folded upon itself.

This is the state of wisdom.

Not everyone achieves this state of mind, and it is not communicable in words or by teaching, 
but it is there and has been written about, and when one arrives, one knows that the future 
has joined with the past to make a circle outside time.


who else would designate un banc cu bula wisdom. mda da da + ultra da










From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May 10 01:37:30 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 01:37:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405092337.i49NbUw68062@www.god-emil.dk>



Fiecare dintre noi are diverse pasiuni sau hobiuri mai mult sau mai putin comune, dar cu siguranta un om care locuieste intr-un cuib de randunica este ceva de necrezut! Si totusi se intampla la Bruxelles, pe exteriorul unei cladiri, la etajul 7, un barbat sta intr-un cuib urias, pe care l-a construit chiar el si pe care l-a numit Marele Cuib de randunica.
Este vorba despre un proiect artistic in care autorul ii implica si pe spectatori. Trecatorii sunt surprinsi atunci cand observa cuibul, dar mirarea lor creste atunci cand vad in interior... un om. Artistul se apleaca in afara si le vorbeste oamenilor, iar la sfarsit promite sa se arunce din cuib, in efortul de a stabili un contact cu cei care il privesc de jos. Unii s-au speriat deja si au chemat pompierii, dar spectacolul se bucura de un mare succes. In a doua zi de locuit in cuib, Benjamin a aruncat un ou, tot urias, si a cerut ajutorul oamenilor de pe strada ca sa il urce inapoi. Spectacolul face parte din Festivalul Artelor de la Bruxelles, care se va incheia la 22 mai. Benjamin Verdonck nu este la primul spectacol excentric. In 2002, el a locuit o saptamana cu un porc in cusca intr-un spectacol numit Iubesc America si America Ma Iubeste. Atunci a vrut sa simbolizeze lipsa lui de intelegere pentru razboiul care urma sa inceapa in Irak.




apropos xy humour








From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 10 08:09:15 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:09:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: sore moves only through jesus
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405100209040.17368@panix3.panix.com>


sore moves only through jesus

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From media at ezaic.de  Mon May 10 12:14:12 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:14:12 +0200
Subject: admin / problems with sending messages
Message-ID: <a06002018bcc504bc8713@[82.82.88.200]>


Hello,

apparently at the moment there exists a problem with the server
and some people might perceive problems
with sending mails directly to the list.  Instead of being delivered 
they get caught for approval.

The problem is probably the same as a recently noticed mess with the 
subscriber database. Frank is looking into the problem.


so, it will hopefully soon be fixed.

kind regards,
Claudia



From media at ezaic.de  Mon May 10 14:10:33 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:10:33 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] admin / more problems
In-Reply-To: <a06002018bcc504bc8713@[82.82.88.200]>
References: <a06002018bcc504bc8713@[82.82.88.200]>
Message-ID: <a0600201fbcc5211f2e5a@[82.82.88.200]>


Hello,

it also seems that several people do not receive mails anymore 
through Syndicate although I get their e-mail address listed in the 
subscriber database.

anart.no is working on this.

kind regards,
Claudia



From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Mon May 10 13:53:12 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com)
Date: Mon May 10 13:53:12 2004
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From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Mon May 10 20:11:24 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:11:24 +0100
Subject: Men & Bombs - revisited...
In-Reply-To: <409A3D32.7030808@crimsonfeet.org>
References: <409A3D32.7030808@crimsonfeet.org>
Message-ID: <409FC5CC.8070503@furtherfield.org>

As the pretend War against terrorism creates even more terrorism. As 
War-fetish is displayed in the media for all the world to see. The link 
between sex and violence becomes a more obvious, everyday humanistic 
trait, unfurling into a less deniable factor. The activity of sadism via 
alpha male and now alpha female expressions are part of the message, the 
behavior, the function and the language of War. The Marque Desade like 
endevours, we are currently witnessing and discovering does exist within 
us all. Violence supersedes gender - all are accepted into process of 
exploitation . If given the ultimate power to hurt, torture - would you 
be better? More altruistic, or would you take advantage of the 
possibility of enacting your darker desires, exploring your feral shadows?

Mean & Bombs - was originally released last year & reflects humanities 
seemingly perpetual desire to impose violent fantasies on others. Even 
though this was originally a creatively, directed survey. a visual 
format - sound and dhtml, on the subject of male fascination with War 
weaponry and connected factors. It still throws light on the current 
issues regarding the fetish around War and people's darker desire to 
enjoy such activities, given permission, given the go head that killing, 
hurting is alright when not seen and not in our back yard, unofficially 
of course.

 >I think this piece may be one of the best pieces of war art I've seen, 
but
my test for war art is simply, does it make me want to vomit when I think
about war? I always go back to Paul Goodman, in "designing pacifist films"
-Eryk Salvaggio.

http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/men_&_bombs/
Only viewable through Internet Explorer...

marc garrett

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From a at e8z.org  Mon May 10 23:42:20 2004
From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:42:20 +0200
Subject: au
Message-ID: <EA1B991B-A2CA-11D8-A32F-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>

http://www.state51.co.uk/pollen/sounds/kissme.au




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Tue May 11 02:37:26 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 02:37:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405110037.i4B0bQH70423@www.god-emil.dk>


>Subject: Academic Wank

>http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu//courses/eceprojectsland/STUDENTPROJ/ 
>2002to2003/lil2/index.html


more like occident wank - torture - simply.ubiquitous in occident lifestyles

as mentioned prev - want.some natural noisz MOTHER FUCKERZ
http://www.immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/the.natural.superiority.of.you.want.some.mov











From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 12:25:08 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:25:08 +0200
Subject: admin / please be patient
Message-ID: <a06002005bcc659523f06@[213.23.155.172]>


Hello,

there are some serious problems which are about to be fixed.

If you see this mail in the archives and wonder why you are not 
subscribed anymore
please be patient .. there is a problem with the subscriber database ..

around 238 persons previously subscribed
and not subscribed at the moment
will be subscribed again


kind regards,
Claudia



From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 10 23:14:58 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: para
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405101714510.6508@panix3.panix.com>




para


http://www.asondheim.org/paracite.png
 one or another comes first
 unless they are lined up equally
 the parasite splits in two, no longer noise in the system
 no longer channel noise
 no longer channel
http://www.asondheim.org/parasight.png
 the parasite buffets among them
 the parasite creates a new language of 'buffeting'
 no one reads the secret language
http://www.asondheim.org/flub.png
 the language is thick and everyone pretends
 it means something


_



From loy at myrealbox.com  Tue May 11 09:19:19 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (__lo-y. )
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:19:19 +0200
Subject: Please stop it now !!!! Re: [syndicate] Re: ????
In-Reply-To: <8B21FCD2-9EB8-11D8-9432-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>
References: <2848917B-9EB3-11D8-99F5-000393B03010@free.fr>
 <40991B5D.1030905@bobig.com>
 <8B21FCD2-9EB8-11D8-9432-0030654D80B0@e8z.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040511091609.01d6e998@pop3.myrealbox.com>

At 07:20 PM 5/5/2004, Auriea wrote:

>dear claudia,
>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lag&f=1


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=god&f=1&skip=310  (scroll down)



>feel free to make up your own!



lo_y 




From info at kw-berlin.de  Tue May 11 13:21:53 2004
From: info at kw-berlin.de (info at kw-berlin.de)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:21:53 +0200
Subject: Privatizations - Contemporary Art from Eastern Europe /exhibition
 opening, May 15, KW Berlin
Message-ID: <a0600200bbcc666be647c@[213.23.155.172]>


http://www.kw-berlin.de/de/vorsch/vorsch_privzk_d.htm

--

Please scroll down for english version

EINLADUNG

Zur Ausstellungseröffnung am Samstag, den 15. Mai 
2004 von 19 - 22 Uhr laden wir Sie und Ihre 
Freunde sehr herzlich ein:

Privatisierungen: Zeitgenössische Kunst aus Osteuropa
Kurator: Boris Groys

Ausstellungsdauer: 16. Mai - 26. Juni 2004

KW Institute for Contemporary Art
Auguststrasse 69
10117 Berlin

Öffnungszeiten: Di - So12 -18 Uhr
T. ++ 49. 30 24 34 59 - 0
<mailto:info at kw-berlin.de>info at kw-berlin.de
<http://www.kw-berlin.de>www.kw-berlin.de
<http://www.postcommunist.de>www.postcommunist.de

Im Rahmen des Forschungsprojektes " The 
Post-Communist Condition" . Ein Initiativprojekt 
der Kulturstiftung des Bundes in Kooperation mit 
dem ZKM Karlsruhe.
In Zusammenarbeit mit KW Institute for Contemporary Art.

INVITATION

We would like to invite you and your friends to the opening on

Saturday, May 15th from 7 to 10 p.m.

Privatisierungen: Zeitgenössische Kunst aus Osteuropa
Curator: Boris Groys

exhibition: May 16h - June 26th , 2004.

KW Institute for Contemporary Art
Auguststr. 69
10117 Berlin

Opening hours: Tue -  Sun 12 a.m. - 6 p.m.
t. ++ 49. 30 24 34 59 - 0
<mailto:info at kw-berlin.de>info at kw-berlin.de
<http://www.kw-berlin.de>www.kw-berlin.de
<http://www.postcommunist.de>www.postcommunist.de

In the context of the reserach project "The 
Post-Communist Condition" . A project 
commissioned by the Kulturstiftung des Bundes ( 
Federal Culture Foundation) in cooperation with 
the ZKM Karlsruhe.
In collaboration with KW Institute for Contemporary Art.






From portholeaccel at yahoo.com  Tue May 11 05:45:56 2004
From: portholeaccel at yahoo.com (portholeaccel)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:45:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <20040511034556.75648.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm don't pear on the books

rachul plesz tell me if Im art maker not
pleaz

-e.
(15)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eryk Salvaggio" <eryk at maine.rr.com>
To: <thingist at bbs.thing.net>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [thingist] Internet Art by Rachel 
Greene


>
> Looks like I can save my money: I'm don't 
appear to be in the book. Nor,
it
> seems, are:
>
> hell.com
> entropy8zuper
> antiorp.netochka
> Frederic Madre
> brad brace
> redsmoke
>
> ...and I'd say many others, but maybe the 
internet is different in New
York
>
> (MTAA is included, I should mention.)
>
> -e.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "murphy" <murphy at thing.net>
> To: <thingist at bbs.thing.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [thingist] Internet Art by Rachel 
Greene
>
>
> >
> > On May 10, 2004, at 4:31 PM, murphy wrote:
> >
> > > No, I honestly think Rachel is stupid, 
always have. She's Bush in
drag.
> >
> > Let me elaborate. Rachel is stupid in this 
sense:
> >
> > http://slate.msn.com/id/2100064/
> >
> > For the record I think Yael, Josephine, 
Magda, all the various
> > Jennifers and lots of other women are 
brilliant so I'm not being sexist
> > (as Rachel will probably claim). And for the 
record I am in awe of
> > Wolfgang but more so Gisela who is totally 
unsung. Oh, I have unlimited
> > fondness for antiorp and of course jodi.org.
> >
> > Rachel, Mark and Alex undermined so many 
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 11 05:44:34 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:44:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Books I like and highly recommend!
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405102344230.23584@panix1.panix.com>




Books I like and highly recommend!


The following are books I've read or am currently reading, mostly the
former. They're wonderful and I think are definitely worth your attention.


Two books that bear comparison, both from Salt

Catherine Daly, DaDaDa and
Loss Pequeno Glazier, Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm

These are first of all both beautiful books. And they work through
technology and technologies in odd ways, ways that configure the
integration of the technological into body and poetic discourse, as if
spectral communications were phantom limbs or tendrils extending from
desktops and PDAs , within and without. Glazier works out of an
incredible, intense, Mexican and Cuban (for the most part) matrix, which
becomes himself as well. His is an 'important' book within emerging
discourses of real and virtual continents. And Daly's work as well, with
its internal technologies, technologies as breathing, or as electric
Marguerite, mythos, scaled histories. I really recommend these books
highly; I found them inspiring and turning language towards infinities
both electronic and intensely real.

>From Raw Nerve Books

Sue Thomas, Hello World, travels in virtuality

This is an odd work, a mix of real and imaginary journeys, discoursing on
psychogeography, Bachelard, and a broad-based view of the Net along the
way. As a mix it's intense and entrancing, and it's demonstrates the ease
with which computers, electronic communications, and lives all intertwine
beyond the home. This isn't the typical mobile technology journey, but a
journey of integration, and it's as such that I highly recommend it. My
only concern - and I have no answer for this - how much, today, should one
describe the Net and its communications systems? As Katherine Hayles
points out on the back cover, the book is 'Highly recommended for first-
time users and those who want to try dipping their toes into the
cyberwaters.' But for those of us who are familiar with the technologies,
the value is elsewhere - following this journey, and Thomas's lived and
interpenetrated spaces, across the world. There is an associated website
by the way, http://www.travelsinvirtuality.com . (This is by the way a
work I wish I could have written, but my own journeys have seemed too
monstrous and tangled, too compressed. There's a sense of space in
Thomas's book that's both open and comforting.)

>From Atelos

Brian Kim Stefans, Fashionable Noise: On Digital Poetics, which _is_ more
or less digital poetics itself. I love dipping into this work. There's a
huge gap between it and Richards' Practical Criticism, but I like them
both for their caress of writing, and _fascination_ with their target
texts, reproduced among themselves, authorships in question. The Scotch is
there in Stefans' work, for example, both real and imaginary. There are
numerous sidebars and footnotes as well; the text skitters. This is simply
a wonderful book.

>From Minnesota comes

Anne Weinstone, Avatar Bodies, A Tantra for Posthumanism. I have diffi-
culty at this point with theoretical posthumanist texts that discourse on
desire; on the other hand, I'm fascinated by the relationships Weinstone
draws or breathes with Tantra; it's this which holds me. I don't feel
capable of commenting on the text itself at this point, except to note the
pleasure it gives, as well as assumptions about multiple selves,
virtualities, and our selves avatars. It reminds me of Lingis' work - and
in general where is Lingis in cyber discourse? But then I'm ignorant. -
I do want to stree that I am reading and rereading sections of this work,
scurrying across it, another skittering, and I find the text amazing in
this regard.

>From O'Reilly

One more technology book, which I immediately applied and have been using
furiously - Preston Gralla, Windows XP Hacks, part of the Hacking series.
This book is simply great - I've applied at least 20-30 of the hacks to my
own (video/audio/blender/text) laptop system. I've used other WinXP books
to good effect, but this one in particular has been extremely useful. I
couldn't have done http://www.asondheim.org/node.mp3 without it.

Some older books if you find them -

Kossovo, Heroic Songs of the Serbs, translated by Helen Rootham (with the
original texts), Houghton Mifflin Company, 1920. This volume focuses on
the battle of Kossovo 1389, and the starkness and repetitiveness of the
songs have parallels of course with Yugoslavian epics, Homer, etc. These
are intense pieces, some of them fragments, and they've already entered my
dreams. The only problem with the book is its shortness.

Serge Gavronsky, Toward a new Poetics, Contemporary Writing in France,
consists of interviews of texts; it's from 1994, and I should have known
the work! Authors include Deguy, Gugliemi, Hocquard, even Pleynet. (The
last's book on painting is incredible by the way.) Get it if you can.
Enough said.

In Bhargava's Dictionary, Anglo-Hindi, the definitions are in both English
and Hindi, and this is one of the most wonderful sources of words I've
come across; the definitions are often beautiful. My edition is the 12th
from 1966, and I've been using it regularly. Extersion, act of wiping or
rubbing. Tortive, twisted. Airmanship, the art of handling an airship.
Gothamite, a great fool.

Legge's I Ching - I like this for the endless notes and clarity of the
appendices; it's not as poetic as the Wilhelm, but I'm not using the work
for divination or poetry. Dover edition. There's a small paperback
(Mentor, 1971) edition of the book rearranged with the hexagram names and
other minor changes, edited by Raymond van Over; I recommend this as well,
especially for clarity.

Burton Watson, Records of the Historian, Chapters from the Shih Chi of
Ssu-ma Ch'ien, California, and Sima Qian, Historical Records, translated
by Dawson, Oxford World's Classic. I can't get enough of this work; the
Dawson edition shows why. There are parallels between the Qin and Bush
dynasties that are unnerving; hopefully both will last an equally short
amount of time.

Finally I'm reading the full version of The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon,
translated and edited by Ivan Morris in two volumes (one text, one notes),
published in 1967. It's quite different, in fact, due in part to the
sections of lists, and I much prefer it. I haven't seen this reissued, but
if you have a chance at all, find and read it (i.e. in preference to the
Penguin edition).

_



From mpalmer at jps.net  Tue May 11 07:13:39 2004
From: mpalmer at jps.net (mpalmer at jps.net)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 07:13:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: DIALOG
Message-ID: sympa.1084252360.11982.164@anart.no

DIALOG
2004

What is dialog?
Where can we find it?
What are the conditions we need for dialog to appear?
Why is it so hard to sustain a dialog with others?
Why does dialog break down so easily?
What is dialog's delicate balance that keeps it from collapsing?
What are the "tipping points" in our dialog that cause it to break down?
Under what conditions is our dialog foreclosed?
Is this a dialog?
Why, or why not?
Am I the only person to think these things?
Why is nobody listening?


mwp



From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 14:40:01 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (media at ezaic.de)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:40:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: subscribers / admin
Message-ID: sympa.1084278589.16343.483@anart.no


Hello,

I just got a message from Frank that
the database of subscribers is fixed now, 

but 

it is possible that people, who unsubscribed lately are now on again.

In case you should get this message, but unsubscribed lately
please send a message to me, so I will unsubscribe you again.

Sorry, for this inconvenience.

Anart.no is doing some research into the subject of the subscriber database mess,
that apparently first occurred on May 05, so will try to prevent it to happen again.

Some subscribers did not get Syndicate messages since May 05.
Postings to Syndicate in between then and now can be found in the archives
http://anart.no/sympa/arc/syndicate

kind regards,
Claudia



From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 14:43:15 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:43:15 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: loss of subscribers
Message-ID: <a0600200dbcc67a6e01c0@[213.23.155.172]>


>From: Frank Teksum <txum at anart.no>
>
>now,
>
>i had a old backup of your list :p
>
>as i added from here
>( i missed some and are afraid that others will be rather
>irritated to be in a list they have opped out off )
>i noticed that most email was from the latter end of the list.
>actually , almost _all_ that went out was on the end of the list.
>the subscribers file was ..cut, actually.
>the suspects are
>A : interrupted process from an list-owner
>B : or our server getting far to much to do from some
>people that has an autoput of a webcam. we are calling them now.
>and looking into other restrictions we can put on them.
>which might well answer the why on other problems , the reasons
>why we started this batch of emails...
>

[...]

>regards
>fra/nk
>
>
>
>frank teksum *  aka txum *  www.anart.no/~txum/ 
>          * * * oslo , norway * * *




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From epistolaris at freemail.hu  Tue May 11 14:56:45 2004
From: epistolaris at freemail.hu (anna balint)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:56:45 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: sympa.1084278589.16343.483@anart.no
Message-ID: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou>

Oops, i found Jurij Krpan on the subbers list,
poor guy, i unsubbed him:))
greetings,
Anna

i5/11/2004 2:40:01 PM, media at ezaic.de wrote:

>
>Hello,
>






From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Tue May 11 15:07:24 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:07:24 +0100
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou>
References: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou>
Message-ID: <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>

Hi there,

Not sure if this is linked to your current sorting out of 
members/unsubscribing & subscribing -

I from info at furtherfield to marc.garrett at furthefield.org - but it has 
not succesfully worked so far...

So now I receive mail from the list  address to 
marc.garrett at furthefield.org - which is perfect
- but every time I send to syndicate using that same address I always 
get a message mentioning that the moderator is awaiting approval.

everytime i change it - the same thing occurs...

although I have enjoyed the oneway relationship between moderator and 
myself, i believe that it is time to change the set-up.

marc :-)




>Oops, i found Jurij Krpan on the subbers list,
>poor guy, i unsubbed him:))
>greetings,
>Anna
>
>i5/11/2004 2:40:01 PM, media at ezaic.de wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 15:30:43 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:30:43 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>
References: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou>
 <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>
Message-ID: <a06002017bcc685c9ab0b@[213.23.155.172]>

Should work now.

marc.garrett at furtherfield.org

>Hi there,
>
>Not sure if this is linked to your current sorting out of 
>members/unsubscribing & subscribing -
>
>I from info at furtherfield to 
><mailto:marc.garrett at furthefield.org>marc.garrett at furthefield.org - 
>but it has not succesfully worked so far...
>
>So now I receive mail from the list address to 
><mailto:marc.garrett at furthefield.org>marc.garrett at furthefield.org - 
>which is perfect
>- but every time I send to syndicate using that same address I 
>always get a message mentioning that the moderator is awaiting 
>approval.
>
>everytime i change it - the same thing occurs...
>
>although I have enjoyed the oneway relationship between moderator 
>and myself, i believe that it is time to change the set-up.
>
>marc :-)
>
>
>
>>Oops, i found Jurij Krpan on the subbers list,
>>poor guy, i unsubbed him:))
>>greetings,
>>Anna
>>
>>i5/11/2004 2:40:01 PM, <mailto:media at ezaic.de>media at ezaic.de wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>>Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>>information and archive: 
>><http://anart.no/~syndicate>http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>to post to the Syndicate list: 
>><mailto:syndicate at anart.no><syndicate at anart.no>
>>Shake the KKnut: 
>><http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut>http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>
>
>
>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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>no commercial use of the texts without permission




From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 15:31:28 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:31:28 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>
References: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou> <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org>
Message-ID: <1084282288.40a0d5b00ec91@imp3-q.free.fr>

Selon marc <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:
> although I have enjoyed the oneway relationship between moderator and 
> myself, i believe that it is time to change the set-up.

have you tried using Jurij Krpan as a go-between ?

f.



From aart at eunet.yu  Tue May 11 15:40:51 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:40:51 +0200
Subject: test
Message-ID: <004601c4375d$941e0ca0$e906f0d5@aart>

just to see if it functions





From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Tue May 11 15:46:53 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 14:46:53 +0100
Subject: [syndicate] subscribers / admin
In-Reply-To: <1084282288.40a0d5b00ec91@imp3-q.free.fr>
References: <QMC9NI3X1YPORPE9MLSPIHB9PKHG3Y98.40a0cd8d@Winetou> <40A0D00C.9020800@furtherfield.org> <1084282288.40a0d5b00ec91@imp3-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <40A0D94D.2090006@furtherfield.org>

No I have not - sounds worth a nibble...

marc

>Selon marc <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>:
>  
>
>>although I have enjoyed the oneway relationship between moderator and 
>>myself, i believe that it is time to change the set-up.
>>    
>>
>
>have you tried using Jurij Krpan as a go-between ?
>
>f.
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 11 18:03:20 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: hello my posts came through
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405111202530.24527@panix2.panix.com>


hello my posts came through? they were held up by the moderators?

alan

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com



From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 18:14:36 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:14:36 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] hello my posts came through
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405111202530.24527@panix2.panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405111202530.24527@panix2.panix.com>
Message-ID: <1084292076.40a0fbec6b863@imp3-q.free.fr>

> hello my posts came through? they were held up by the moderators?

marc garret has them
I hear

f.



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May 11 18:37:15 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:37:15 +0200
Subject: ~~ ?
Message-ID: <00d701c43776$37e32c40$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

je ne comprends rien, je croyais que j'étais modérée ou exclue de cette
liste





From replic88t at replic88t.net  Tue May 11 18:16:16 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:16:16 +0100
Subject: [spectre] Replic**t LTD
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From replic88t at replic88t.net  Tue May 11 18:01:14 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:01:14 +0100
Subject: Replic**t LTD
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From ivo at reporters.net  Tue May 11 18:30:23 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:30:23 -0400
Subject: Banned by Mickey Mouse
Message-ID: <40A0C75F.24323.38F3DC7@localhost>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/national/05DISN.html

In WW II Mickey Mouse used to symbolize the American liberty and 
pursuit of happines - as opposed to the grim, totalitarian regimes of 
Hitler and Stalin that ruled their populace by fear and pain. Today 
it symbolizes everything that went wrong in the US after September 
11.

As if one painful event gave that nation the right to inflict pain on 
everybody else with impunity.

This also shows how the censorship really works in the USA. Michael 
Moore's new documentary "Fahrenheit 911" - allegedly harshly critical 
of W Bush regime - is not banned by the State, but by the corporate 
owner (Disney) of its distributor (Miramax). 

This makes the US different from the totalitarian regimes of the past 
- but not in substance: it just uncovers that there is a high degree 
of confluence between top corporate officers and high government 
officials, a sort of the revolving doors between public and private 
sector at the very top. 

And that cozy little circle of rich and powerful (oligarchs, they 
would be called, if this was Russia), is now tightening their rows, 
locking the gates of their gated community, and putting the story 
about their deceit deep in the vault.

Very carefully we should wait for the next Disney's release and then 
simply boycott it at the box office. When a multi-million dollar 
project releases with no revenue, Disney's executives may start 
thinking differently about where their loyalties should be: to the 
ever more rotten government or to the public that buys movie tickets.

ivo



From ivo at reporters.net  Tue May 11 18:30:22 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:30:22 -0400
Subject: They Just Complied With Lawful Orders...
Message-ID: <40A0C75E.23224.38F3B3C@localhost>

1) With the charge that Hussein's Iraq produced WMD-s proving bogus, 
the "coalition of the willing" based its right to occupy Iraq on the 
fact that Saddam's was one of the most deplorable regimes in the 
history of the humankind. Recently, when Bush visited Canada, he said 
that there are no more torture chambers in Iraq. He was wrong. The 
only difference is that torture chambers are not run any more by the 
Baathists. Now, they are run by the US Department of Defense.
2) Under international law, all detainees, military or civilian, must 
be treated humanely. In no circumstances may they be subjected to 
torture or any other "cruel or degrading" treatment. Pleading 
"exceptional circumstances" or "higher orders" - as the lawyers for 
the US soldiers, currently court-martialed for their misconduct, 
apparently dare to claim - is no excuse, as we all remember well from 
the Nuerenberg trials.
3) Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity, regardless if 
they are conducted by Serbs, Croats or Americans, and torture is a 
crime against humanity. It would be a double standard to treat 
Americans differently. They already insisted to be excepted from the 
reach of ICC, like they are some sort of holy cows, and they 
blackmailed many poor countries with economic aid into signing the 
agreement that those would not extradite international law breaking 
American boys (and girls, as we see now) to the ICC. That outraged 
other "civilized" countries. Now, that places even bigger burden of 
proof on the American legal system to deal with the scandal properly.
4) The Geneva convention applies to the US soldiers, as well. It also 
applies to those who never had read it. It was the job of those who 
recruited, trained, and commanded the soldiers involved in the abuses 
to make sure that all soldiers are well versed in the letter and 
substance of Geneva convention. Failure to do so reflects negatively 
on the entire US military recruiting and training procedure, as well 
as its top brass. It was their COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY to make 
absolutely sure that abuses like those NEVER happen at hand of the US 
military personnel. They failed to do their duty. If they are 
citizens of any other country, the US administration, would scream 
for their blood, threatening that country with sanctions, unless the 
generals are arrested and tried. But since they are Americans, they 
are not even going to lose their jobs, disgracing the very foundation 
of everything that America stands for. Geneva convention is not the 
"law in the service of terrorism," but precisely the opposite.
5) Claiming ignorance of the law, of the facts, and/or of the 
previous behavioral research analyses does not exculpate the US 
military leaders. With the budget 16 times greater than the entire 
Iraq's pre-war GDP, there simply should not be any free lunch for 
those who fucked up, including Rumsfeld. It is known from Stamford 
Prison Experiment conducted in 1971, that even completely sane 
individuals may turn into sadistic monsters within a week, when 
exposed to the encouraging environment - and Abu Ghraib obviously 
was. Pictures and videos demonstrate crimes against humanity 
committed by the US and British military men and women. Those crimes 
are clear breaches of the international law on the books. Pentagon is 
at fault for not doing anything to prevent this from happening in the 
first place, and for not acting earlier (there were warnings both 
from Amnesty International and ICRC) to stop it.
6) On the top of that, all of those improbably grinning soldiers in 
the pictures, should be sent in for a psychiatric evaluations. Orders 
or no orders, they, who grew up in the democratic society, should 
have known better then to engage in the crimes against humanity, AND 
take pictures of themselves doing that. So, not only are they 
psychopats, but they are also complete retards, putting themselves 
and the dignity of the country they serve in jeopardy. How the hell 
did they get into military in the first place? How did they score on 
psychology tests?
7) Bush supports Rumsfeld. And public, to my disbelief, as the polls 
show, still supports Bush, making us all the "willing executioners" - 
maybe it is time for Goldhagen to write a sequel to his book.

Links:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/international/middleeast/10ABUS.html
?th
BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 9 — A 24-year-old military policeman from 
Pennsylvania will be court-martialed here on May 19, the first 
American soldier to face trial in the abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu 
Ghraib prison, military officials said Sunday. In an extraordinary 
gesture to address outrage over the abuse scandal, the military is 
permitting broad public access to the trial and will invite the Arab 
news media.

http://domovina.xs4all.nl/
In 1999 Goran Jelisic was sentenced to 40 years imprisonment by ICTY 
Trial Chamber I; the Appeals Chamber affirmed this sentence in July 
2001. The Trial Chamber also reccommended Jelisic receive 
psychological and psychiatric follow-up treatment.  He is serving his 
sentence in Italy.
The ICTY has released tapes of the interviews its investigators had 
prior to his trial with Goran Jelisic.  One hour of these recordings 
from the Scheveningen Detention Unit is now available on the Internet 
in mp3 audio format. Audio is in English with integral translations 
to/from Bosnian. I found these interviews even more depressing than 
the Jelisic court sessions I saw; they depict a cold-blooded 
executioner showing compassion nor remorse.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1209846,00.html
BBC commentators and British politicians have been reminding us that 
the soldiers' activities "do not compare with Saddam Hussein's 
systematic tortures and executions". Hussein is now the moral compass 
of the west.

http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000842.php#000842
Douglas Feith, President Bush's Undersecretary of Defense for Policy 
— and number three man at the Pentagon — reporetdly summed up 
Protocol One of the Geneva Conventions of 1977 as "law in the service 
of terrorism".

http://www.prisonexp.org/
In 2003 U.S. soldiers abused Iraqi prisoners held at Abu Ghraib, 20 
miles west of Baghdad. The prisoners were stripped, made to wear bags 
over their heads, and sexually humiliated while the guards laughed 
and took photographs. How is this abuse similar to or different from 
what took place in the Stanford Prison Experiment?

http://www.tentaka.com/
Usually pictures like the ones we saw from Abu Ghraib could be find 
on websites like this one - The American Male Slave Market; does the 
DoD recruit its military intelligence interrogators from the pool of 
customers of sites like that?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/11/politics/11PREX.html?th
A new poll showed that most people thought that Mr. Rumsfeld should 
not lose his job over the issue. Asked whether he should resign, two-
thirds of 1,030 people questioned from Thursday through Sunday by the 
University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey said 
Mr. Rumsfeld should not resign.
By a percentage of 47 to 31, people responding to the poll said they 
believed that the soldiers implicated in the abuse had acted on their 
own and not under orders. But 52 percent said the Pentagon had tried 
to cover up the matter, while 32 percent said the Pentagon had acted 
properly. The poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 
percentage points.

##

ivo




From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 20:37:47 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:37:47 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ~~ ?
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Vous le faites expres de dire des betises pareilles à tout bout de champ ?!

f.

At 18:37 11/05/2004, you wrote:
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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 21:32:13 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:32:13 +0200
Subject: Fwd: unsubscribing
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511213143.01f46ec0@pop.free.fr>

Jurij,

Can you look into this now ?

Best,
FM

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From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 21:34:27 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:34:27 +0200
Subject: well ..
Message-ID: <a0600201cbcc6da908994@[213.23.155.172]>


and who had the funny idea to unsubscribe me ?

grrrrr ...

(this is a test
if I receive mails through a changed owner setting now)

-c



From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 21:38:00 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:38:00 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] well ..
In-Reply-To: <a0600201cbcc6da908994@[213.23.155.172]>
References: <a0600201cbcc6da908994@[213.23.155.172]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511213628.01f89da0@pop.free.fr>

At 21:34 11/05/2004, you wrote:

>and who had the funny idea to unsubscribe me ?

I gave Aliette admin rights


>grrrrr ...

she's a woman
like you
a woman

>(this is a test
>if I receive mails through a changed owner setting now)

it's not very feminine to do tests, claudia
WE EXPECT RESULTS
from women
NOT TESTS

Best,
FM




From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 11 21:41:06 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (media at ezaic.de)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:41:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] well ..
In-Reply-To: 6.1.0.6.0.20040511213628.01f89da0@pop.free.fr
Message-ID: sympa.1084304427.1962.78@anart.no


I can tell you 

the result is

I resubscribed myself


Claudia



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From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 11 21:59:58 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:59:58 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ~~ ?
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511215954.01f85008@pop.free.fr>

Vous le faites expres de dire des betises pareilles à tout bout de champ ?!

f.

At 18:37 11/05/2004, you wrote:
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 11 22:48:50 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:48:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: all humans must die
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405111648420.19773@panix3.panix.com>


   all humans must die

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   BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at looply.pl line 18.

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From aart at eunet.yu  Tue May 11 23:11:12 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:11:12 +0200
Subject: Baghdad: Hotel American Freedom - Rumsfeld was there!
Message-ID: <004a01c4379c$806d7760$4406f0d5@aart>

Visit Hotel American Freedom, Baghdad.
It seams Rumsfeld was there!

http://www.webheaven.co.yu/usa/iraq/freedomhotel.htm






From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Wed May 12 04:09:54 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 04:09:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] ~~ ?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511215954.01f85008@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040511215954.01f85008@pop.free.fr>
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no, we con't care,

sorry, we work, &

you suck ; not you

of coursseeee

you



kisses
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> Vous le faites expres de dire des betises pareilles à tout bout de champ
> ?!
>
> f.
>
> At 18:37 11/05/2004, you wrote:
>>je ne comprends rien, je croyais que j'étais modérée ou exclue de cette
>>liste
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>>
>>
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From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 12 08:28:13 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:28:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Reviews of some older books, mostly rare 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405120228050.9586@panix3.panix.com>




Reviews of some older books, mostly rare


These are books that I have employed in my work, and think about and
through; I've found them at various times in my life. In no particular
order:

The Ocean World: Being a Description of The Sea and some of its
Inhabitants. from the French of Louis Figuier, New Edition revised by
E. Percevel Wright, Cassell, Petter, Galpin, +/- 1872. There are hundreds
of illustrations, almost all of invertebrates. Both illustrations and text
are poeticized, organic, swimming across the page. I consult this often.

The Lewis Carroll Picture Book, Stuart Dodgson Collingwood, T. Fisher
Unwin, 1899. Collected materials by his nephew, with Carroll's
illustrations and odd poems and collegiate texts among other things. An
addendum to the constant Alice-theorizing available a century later.

The Legends of the Rhine, H. A. Guerber, A. S. Barnes, 1895. Well, this is
simply fascinating in relation to Wagner, etc.

Baedeker's Berlin and its Environs, 1923. I consult this often in my other
readings; this is an intense image of Berlin Weimar culture.

The Athenian Oracle, edited by John Underhill, Walter Scott, 1897.
Selections from the late 17th-century magazine, with all its strangeness.

The Genuine Epistles of the Apostolical Fathers, also titled Wake's
Genuine Epistles, London, Richard Sare, 1710. This is a very early
edition; the print and language are fascinating, not to mention the texts,
many of which are now on my PDA.

The Blind Girl and Other Poems, Frances Jane Crosby, Wiley & Putnam, 1844
I've written about this elsewhere; Crosby went on to write hymns. She was
blind herself. Her poem on Niagara is wonderful.

Poems and Ballads, A New Edition, Swinburne, 1878. Precisely because
Swinburne disturbs me.

Swinburne, Selected Poems, illustrations by Harry Clarke, The Bodley Head,
1924. Clarke's illustrations, simultaneously severe and milky, mirror the
text.

Oeuvres de F. Rabelais, par L. Jacob, Charpentier, 1841. In the original
French with new and previously unpublished materials.

Poems by Felicia Hemans, edited by Rufus W. Griswold, Sorin and Ball, 1845
All I can see is these are soft, well-done, and continue to hold my
interest.

American Universal Geography, Jedidiah Morse, Isiah Thomas and Ebenezer
Andrews, June, 1796. A very early geography, largely of the United States.
The maps are torn/or missing, but the text, for me, is critical in
understanding the development of the frontier.

Drei und Dreissig Predigen von dem furnemstem Spaltungen in der
Christlichen Religion, Jacobum Andree, Tubingen, 1576. An early Lutheran
theologian concerned with uniting the Church. The Fraktur type is
beautiful and the binding is original. More a wonder of early books; I
don't have the wherewithal to read it.

A Manual of Medical Jurisprudence, Alfred Swaine Taylor, Henry Lea, 1866.
I read often into this early classic of forensic medicine; the pages on
rape are literally covered in human blood.

Illustrium Imagines, Andrea Fulvio, Rome, 1517. This book is discussed at
length in The Renaissance Computer; my edition has the original vellum
cover. There are over a hundred illustrations of Greek and Roman coins; it
was the first illustrated book on numismatics.

On the Laws of Japanese Painting, Henry P. Bowie, Paul Elder, 1911. This
book has been reprinted by Dover, but the illustrations are much finer in
the original. Think of Laws of Dots, Laws of Lines of the Garment, Laws of
Ledges, Laws of the Four Paragons...


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From a.ludovico at neural.it  Wed May 12 09:43:31 2004
From: a.ludovico at neural.it (Alessandro Ludovico)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:43:31 +0200
Subject: Neural n.21 english ed. [Rechenzentrum, Retroyou, B.Holmes,
 Telestreet, Plagiarism...]
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 12 10:42:51 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:42:51 +0200
Subject: question-on
Message-ID: <010a01c437fd$1ccfcad0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

One would has to explain to me how and in what it can be possible to speak
about anarchy in the sphere of influence about Multitudes, which has to be
an althusserian post-Leninist-Marxist review (could be a trans-Marxist
Leninist)? If somebody can, thank you in advance.
A.





From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 12 11:28:28 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:28:28 +0200
Subject: Hungarian move this week in Paris
Message-ID: <00d901c43803$7c0b9e10$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

To Anna,
Hungarians in Paris, this week,
what do you think on, dear A., do you think that you could have a comment to
do for us ?
(sorry on French but it is more clear to access through the summary online)
http://www.batofar.org/rev

A.


jeudi 13 mai

REV' Budapest


line up
ATTILA GERGELY accompagné de KATA JUHASZ - Cie PAL FRENAK
( danse), PARNO GRASZT (musique tzigane), GRUPA PALOTAÏ et GABOR GADO (jazz)

Soirée d'ouverture avec, en lever de rideau, Manosolo, L'enfant du puits,
chorégraphié par Pal Frenak  et inspiré par les mouvements du Bhuto
japonais.

Jazz ensuite avec l'équipe de francs tireurs du guitariste Csaba Palotaï.
Signé sur le label BMC qui regroupe la crème du jazz hongrois, le Grupa
Palotaï puise aussi bien dans le rock que dans la musique contemporaine ou
la musique d'Europe Centrale.
En special guest, Gábor Gadó, autre guitariste magyar racé, doté d'une
intensité mélodique lumineuse. « Lorsque j'ai entendu John Coltrane pour la
première fois, je me suis dit qu'il avait dû écouter beaucoup de chansons
hongroises ».
Ça promet !

Enfin, pour conclure, les huit musiciens de Parno Graszt offriront leur
version d'une musique tzigane authentique, entre infinie mélancolie et
exubérance débridée. Influences orientales, folklore hongrois, éxubérance et
sentimentalité baignent ainsi la musique de Parno Graszt. Un éclairage sur
une minorité fondamentale de l'identité hongroise.

------------------------------
vendredi 14 mai

REV' Budapest


de 21h00 à 6h00
12 euros / 10 euros TR / prévente fnac
line up
ATTILA GERGELY accompagné de KATA JUHASZ - Cie PAL FRENAK
( danse), AKOSH TRIO (jazz), nuit chi recordings avec DJ AMB, DJ RASTER, DJ
NAGA, DJ FINE CUT BODIES

Reprise du spectacle de la Cie Pal Frenak, « Manosolo, L'enfant du puits »
présenté la veille avant de laisser place à Akosh.

Dépassant largement le cadre du jazz, la musique d'Akosh conjugue les
aspirations folkloriques d'un Béla Bartók au déluge free d'un Albert Ayler.
Ses influences, puisées dans les folklores magyars, balkaniques et tziganes
irriguent ses compositions de façon très prégnante. Entre maelström sonore
et errance contemplative, un concert d'Akosh reste toujours une expérience
renversante.

Enfin, la nuit se terminera en compagnie du label chi recordings, référence
en matière de croisements insolites, qui présentera quatre artistes de son
écurie. Au programme : electro, ambient dub, techno et drum n' bass à la
sauce magyare.

------------------------------
samedi 15 mai

REV' Budapest
http://www.batofar.org/rev

de 21h00 à 6h00
12 euros / 10 euros TR / prévente fnac

line up
SENA (hip hop / live), DJ PALOTAÏ (electro), DJ MANGO (hip hop) + films
courts avec FILMHU

Avis aux amateurs de découverte, Sena est un véritable phénomène et l'étoile
montante hip hop soul de son pays d'adoption. Chanteuse dans la lignée d'une
Me'Shell Ndegeocello ou d'une Miss Dynamite, cette personnalité hors norme
sera à coup sûr la révélation de ce festival. Une personnalité affirmée qui
se double par ailleurs d'une aisance déconcertante à aborder les styles les
plus divers : hip hop, jazz, soul ou reggae, rien ne lui résiste ni ne l'
effraie.

Enfin, c'est avec les deux dj's incontournables de Budapest que la piste
terminera de s'ébrouer. DJ Palotaï est un peu le Laurent Garnier hongrois, à
savoir l'un des pionniers du son techno dans son pays. Sa contribution dans
la diffusion des musiques électroniques auprès du public hongrois en a fait
une figure incontournable et un dj respecté pour ses qualités techniques et
son originalité.

Très présent sur la scène underground à travers les raves du Tilos ou dans
les très courues fêtes du collectif multimédia Cinetrip, Mango demeure la
référence en matière d'abstract hip-hop et de drum'n'bass. Fondateur du
collectif Gimmeshot, il organise désormais avec ses succès ses propres
soirées où s'illustre le talent de Sena que l'on retrouve ce soir.

--------------------------------------------------------





From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 12 11:36:46 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 05:36:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OF THE WITNESS OF THE TAPE OF BEHEADING AND OF THE TAPES OF TORTURES
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405120536370.19116@panix3.panix.com>



OF THE WITNESS OF THE TAPE OF BEHEADING AND OF THE TAPES OF TORTURES

SMASH THE FACE OF SMASH GOD THE GILGAMESH JESUS OF CHRIST JESUS ALLAH THE
MARDUK JEHOVAH FACE ALL ELOHIM THE CREATORS OF OBEISANCE OF OBSCENITIES
PRAYERS THE AND AND FACELESS FACELESS HOLY HOLY GHOST GHOST ALMIGHTIES OF
BOWINGS BOWINGS DOWN DOWN RISINGS ALL UP RISINGS FOR THESE FOR ARE THESE
KILLERS THE BETRAYERS AND WOMEN WOMEN MEN MEN SLAYERS ARE CHILDREN SLAYERS
ANGELIC SMASH HORDES THE THEM HORDES TORTURERS BEHEADERS THE ARMIES SMASH
DROWN IN VILE DROWN WATERS THEM BURN BELIEVERS DIVINITY

PROVIDENCE DESTINY IN REWARDS HEREAFTERS IN FURY

SMASH GOD THE SMASH FACE THE OF FACE GOD OF GILGAMESH CHRIST JESUS OF
CHRIST JESUS ALLAH OF MARDUK JEHOVAH JEHOVAH OF ALL ELOHIM ELOHIM THE
CREATORS ALL OBEISANCE ALL OBSCENITIES THE PRAYERS OF AND CHRIST FACELESS
THE HOLY OF GHOST HOLY ALMIGHTIES ALL BOWINGS ALL DOWN BOWINGS RISINGS ALL
UP RISINGS FOR BETRAYERS THESE FOR ARE THESE KILLERS THE BETRAYERS AND
WOMEN OF MEN AND SLAYERS THE CHILDREN OF ANGELIC THE HORDES ANGELIC THEM
SMASH TORTURERS THE BEHEADERS AND ARMIES THE DROWN WATERS IN THEM VILE IN
WATERS VILE BURN WATERS BELIEVERS SMASH DIVINITY IN PROVIDENCE IN DESTINY
IN REWARDS IN HEREAFTERS AND FURY IN

FACE GOD OF SMASH GOD THE SMASH JESUS THE CHRIST FACE GILGAMESH JESUS THE
CHRIST FACE ALLAH THE JEHOVAH THE ELOHIM FACE CREATORS FACE OBEISANCE FACE
OBSCENITIES PRAYERS PRAYERS THE AND OF HOLY FACELESS GHOST FACE ALMIGHTIES
FACE BOWINGS FACE DOWN OF RISINGS FACE UP OF KILLERS THESE BETRAYERS THE
THESE WOMEN ARE AND KILLERS THESE WOMEN THE MEN OF SLAYERS THESE CHILDREN
THE HORDES SMASH THEM ANGELIC TORTURERS BEHEADERS BEHEADERS THE THEM VILE
IN WATERS VILE DROWN WATERS THEM BELIEVERS IN DIVINITY SMASH BELIEVERS
PROVIDENCE PROVIDENCE DESTINY DESTINY IN REWARDS HEREAFTERS HEREAFTERS IN
FURY SMASH

GOD OF FACE THE SMASH CHRIST JESUS OF FACE THE SMASH GILGAMESH ALLAH OF
FACE THE SMASH JEHOVAH OF FACE THE SMASH MARDUK ELOHIM THE OF FACE THE
SMASH ALL CREATORS ALL OF FACE THE SMASH OBEISANCE ALL OF FACE THE SMASH
PRAYERS OF OBSCENITIES THE SMASH CHRIST THE JESUS OF FACE THE SMASH AND
GHOST HOLY OF FACE FACELESS THE SMASH AND ALMIGHTIES ALL OF FACE THE SMASH
DOWN BOWINGS ALL OF FACE THE SMASH AND UP RISINGS ALL OF FACE THE SMASH
BETRAYERS AND KILLERS THE ARE THESE FOR MEN AND WOMEN OF KILLERS THE ARE
THESE CHILDREN OF SLAYERS THE ARE THESE THEM SMASH HORDES ANGELIC THE
SMASH BEHEADERS AND TORTURERS THE SMASH ALMIGHTIES THE OF ARMIES THE SMASH
WATERS VILE IN THEM DROWN WATERS VILE IN THEM BURN DIVINITY IN BELIEVERS
SMASH DESTINY IN PROVIDENCE IN BELIEVERS HEREAFTERS AND REWARDS IN
BELIEVERS FURY IN THEM SMASH THEM SMASH THEM SMASH

SMASH THE FACE OF GOD GILGAMESH SMASH THE FACE OF JESUS CHRIST SMASH THE
FACE OF ALLAH MARDUK SMASH THE FACE OF JEHOVAH ALL SMASH THE FACE OF THE
ELOHIM SMASH THE FACE OF ALL CREATORS SMASH THE FACE OF ALL OBEISANCE
SMASH THE OBSCENITIES OF PRAYERS AND SMASH THE FACE OF JESUS THE CHRIST
AND SMASH THE FACELESS FACE OF HOLY GHOST SMASH THE FACE OF ALL ALMIGHTIES
AND SMASH THE FACE OF ALL BOWINGS DOWN SMASH THE FACE OF ALL RISINGS UP
FOR THESE ARE THE KILLERS AND BETRAYERS THESE ARE THE KILLERS OF WOMEN AND
MEN THESE ARE THE SLAYERS OF CHILDREN SMASH THE ANGELIC HORDES SMASH THEM
SMASH THE TORTURERS AND BEHEADERS SMASH THE ARMIES OF THE ALMIGHTIES DROWN
THEM IN VILE WATERS BURN THEM IN VILE WATERS SMASH BELIEVERS IN DIVINITY
BELIEVERS IN PROVIDENCE IN DESTINY BELIEVERS IN REWARDS AND HEREAFTERS
SMASH THEM IN FURY SMASH THEM SMASH THEM


_



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May 12 17:51:51 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:51:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405121551.i4CFppe73478@www.god-emil.dk>



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From hub at x-arn.org  Wed May 12 19:51:46 2004
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:51:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
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From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 12 17:26:41 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:26:41 -0400
Subject: Abu Ghraib: The American Grave in Iraq
Message-ID: <40A209F1.19715.87B47E6@localhost>

What orders? There were no (written) orders, general charged with 
devising a good spin to clear the US army of any wrongdoing, 
exclaimed in his testimony to the Congress.

Those sick puppies just played out their fantasies, and took pictures 
of their entertainment. Hell, in the US there are people who pay top 
dollar to be stripped naked, collared & leashed, and being dragged by 
a mistress around.

The Abu Ghraib ex-prison guards may consider looking for the job in 
that industry, because as they are discharged from the military, that 
may be their only option.

Meanwhile, the scandal did not really affect ANYTHING. The US 
Administration even used the fact that the scandal occupies first 
half of any international news reporting, for passing sanctions on 
Syria, and attacking a mosque in Iraq.

And the Iraqis, forgoing the US vanilla torture methods, went 
straight for the good old-fashioned beheading.

ivo

ps
now we also get stories of RAPE in Abu Ghraib ->
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1214698,00.html
and the stories of how Abu Ghraib was set up by an American expert 
contractor - charged with abuse scandal in the US! - >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1213841,00.html



From replic88t at replic88t.net  Wed May 12 17:12:36 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:12:36 +0100
Subject: corporate metaphysics
Message-ID: <CD5E9263-A426-11D8-8349-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>

What are share warrants?
If authorised by its articles, a company may convert any fully paid 
shares to 'share  warrants'. These warrants are easily transferable 
without any need for a transfer  document, that is, they can simply be 
passed from hand to hand.  When share warrants are issued, the company 
must strike out the name of the  shareholder from its register of 
members and state the date of issue of the warrant and the  number of 
shares to which it relates. Subject to the articles, a share warrant 
can be  surrendered for cancellation. If so, the holder is entitled to 
be re-entered into the register of  members. Vouchers are usually 
issued with the share warrants in order that any dividends  may be 
claimed.  The holder of a share warrant remains a shareholder but 
whether they are a member of  the company depends on the articles of 
the company. A company which converts all its  shares to share warrants 
should be careful: it could become a memberless company and  therefore 
cease to exist.
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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 12 23:19:19 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:19:19 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] 
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From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Wed May 12 17:18:45 2004
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Date: Wed May 12 17:18:45 2004
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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 13 01:24:30 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:24:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974@www.god-emil.dk>



>The most stark contradiction to have emerged from this episode is that many Americans see their 
>country as a harbinger of democracy and freedom which made a mistake, and the rest of the world sees 
>it as a bully reverting to type. 


simply put - United Snakes of America is the only democracy to pass from barbarism to degeneration
             without a period of civilization.

very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS












From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 13 02:09:06 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:09:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405130009.i4D096W74449@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0512-08.htm

>But who debauched these young American men and women soldiers? I would argue that 
>the moral debauchery came down the chain of command from Washington. 


not unlike the degenerate + thieving MOTHER FUCKER david zicarelli
who in Cycling74 company directives encouraged his underpaid serfs
to view NN as a non-person, to harass, sabotage and stalk NN.

not unlike the degenerate + thieving MOTHER FUCKER david zicarelli
who in private meetings with his serfs encouraged them to steal 
and reverse engineer NN's intellectual property.

on the other hand what else can one expect from jankee MOTHER FUCKERS











From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 13 02:38:36 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:38:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] question-on
In-Reply-To: <010a01c437fd$1ccfcad0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <010a01c437fd$1ccfcad0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1050.82.224.112.161.1084408716.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

hoh hoh hoh !
just read on !
't's cool !

kisses
astrëe


> One would has to explain to me how and in what it can be possible to speak
> about anarchy in the sphere of influence about Multitudes, which has to be
> an althusserian post-Leninist-Marxist review (could be a trans-Marxist
> Leninist)? If somebody can, thank you in advance.
> A.
>
>
>


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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 13 02:43:14 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:43:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Hungarian move this week in Paris : may 20th !
In-Reply-To: <00d901c43803$7c0b9e10$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <00d901c43803$7c0b9e10$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1084408994.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

yoh !

if you may 20th still in paris :

ALéATOIRE

@ péniche Alternat

métro (tube): Bercy or St-Emilion

concert :

poésie, hacktivisme & free music
poetry, hacktivism &nd free music

c]          yeppah !

                            cheers !






kisses
astrëe
> To Anna,
> Hungarians in Paris, this week,
> what do you think on, dear A., do you think that you could have a comment
> to
> do for us ?
> (sorry on French but it is more clear to access through the summary
> online)
> http://www.batofar.org/rev
>
> A.
>
>
> jeudi 13 mai
>
> REV' Budapest
>
>
> line up
> ATTILA GERGELY accompagné de KATA JUHASZ - Cie PAL FRENAK
> ( danse), PARNO GRASZT (musique tzigane), GRUPA PALOTAÏ et GABOR GADO
> (jazz)
>
> Soirée d'ouverture avec, en lever de rideau, Manosolo, L'enfant du puits,
> chorégraphié par Pal Frenak  et inspiré par les mouvements du Bhuto
> japonais.
>
> Jazz ensuite avec l'équipe de francs tireurs du guitariste Csaba Palotaï.
> Signé sur le label BMC qui regroupe la crème du jazz hongrois, le Grupa
> Palotaï puise aussi bien dans le rock que dans la musique contemporaine ou
> la musique d'Europe Centrale.
> En special guest, Gábor Gadó, autre guitariste magyar racé, doté d'une
> intensité mélodique lumineuse. « Lorsque j'ai entendu John Coltrane pour
> la
> première fois, je me suis dit qu'il avait dû écouter beaucoup de chansons
> hongroises ».
> Ça promet !
>
> Enfin, pour conclure, les huit musiciens de Parno Graszt offriront leur
> version d'une musique tzigane authentique, entre infinie mélancolie et
> exubérance débridée. Influences orientales, folklore hongrois, éxubérance
> et
> sentimentalité baignent ainsi la musique de Parno Graszt. Un éclairage sur
> une minorité fondamentale de l'identité hongroise.
>
> ------------------------------
> vendredi 14 mai
>
> REV' Budapest
>
>
> de 21h00 à 6h00
> 12 euros / 10 euros TR / prévente fnac
> line up
> ATTILA GERGELY accompagné de KATA JUHASZ - Cie PAL FRENAK
> ( danse), AKOSH TRIO (jazz), nuit chi recordings avec DJ AMB, DJ RASTER,
> DJ
> NAGA, DJ FINE CUT BODIES
>
> Reprise du spectacle de la Cie Pal Frenak, « Manosolo, L'enfant du puits »
> présenté la veille avant de laisser place à Akosh.
>
> Dépassant largement le cadre du jazz, la musique d'Akosh conjugue les
> aspirations folkloriques d'un Béla Bartók au déluge free d'un Albert
> Ayler.
> Ses influences, puisées dans les folklores magyars, balkaniques et
> tziganes
> irriguent ses compositions de façon très prégnante. Entre maelström sonore
> et errance contemplative, un concert d'Akosh reste toujours une expérience
> renversante.
>
> Enfin, la nuit se terminera en compagnie du label chi recordings,
> référence
> en matière de croisements insolites, qui présentera quatre artistes de son
> écurie. Au programme : electro, ambient dub, techno et drum n' bass à la
> sauce magyare.
>
> ------------------------------
> samedi 15 mai
>
> REV' Budapest
> http://www.batofar.org/rev
>
> de 21h00 à 6h00
> 12 euros / 10 euros TR / prévente fnac
>
> line up
> SENA (hip hop / live), DJ PALOTAÏ (electro), DJ MANGO (hip hop) + films
> courts avec FILMHU
>
> Avis aux amateurs de découverte, Sena est un véritable phénomène et
> l'étoile
> montante hip hop soul de son pays d'adoption. Chanteuse dans la lignée
> d'une
> Me'Shell Ndegeocello ou d'une Miss Dynamite, cette personnalité hors norme
> sera à coup sûr la révélation de ce festival. Une personnalité affirmée
> qui
> se double par ailleurs d'une aisance déconcertante à aborder les styles
> les
> plus divers : hip hop, jazz, soul ou reggae, rien ne lui résiste ni ne l'
> effraie.
>
> Enfin, c'est avec les deux dj's incontournables de Budapest que la piste
> terminera de s'ébrouer. DJ Palotaï est un peu le Laurent Garnier hongrois,
> à
> savoir l'un des pionniers du son techno dans son pays. Sa contribution
> dans
> la diffusion des musiques électroniques auprès du public hongrois en a
> fait
> une figure incontournable et un dj respecté pour ses qualités techniques
> et
> son originalité.
>
> Très présent sur la scène underground à travers les raves du Tilos ou dans
> les très courues fêtes du collectif multimédia Cinetrip, Mango demeure la
> référence en matière d'abstract hip-hop et de drum'n'bass. Fondateur du
> collectif Gimmeshot, il organise désormais avec ses succès ses propres
> soirées où s'illustre le talent de Sena que l'on retrouve ce soir.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>


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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 13 02:56:27 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:56:27 +0200
Subject: Battisti: verdict on June 30th
Message-ID: <001401c43885$1f0a96d0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Report and next meeting...
http://www.cesarebattisti.net


Last lawsuit, Paris, on Wednesday, May 12th, 5 PM - 9 PM

beloved Freedom / culture otherwise / final
Battisti cut

Verdict on June 30th!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Attention ! The Press and the television désinforment (The World(Monde),
A2, Euro New, etc.) according to a lie of the title and the article by AFP
which also désinformera thus the foreign Press...
(Doubtless to be convenient for a pressure of the Chancellery):
" The general public prosecutor's department of Paris favorable to the
extradition of Battisti: the general public prosecutor's department of Paris
declared itself on Wednesday favorable to the extradition towards Cesare's
Italy [...] "

    FORGERY! (I can tell of as I was there)

1. This info fallen unless 8 pm ignores a whole pladoirie and half of the
other one (the indictment inaugurated the session but the instruction lasted
until 21 h).

3. An Italian lawyer came to show texts in hand of the legal limit of the
Battisti file within the framework of the Italian very law, and more still
towards the European law.

4. The prosecuting attorney is symbolically always in the role of the
indicter, that his indictment is against the accused person is thus normal.

5. The prosecuting attorney is not the prosecutor and do not thus represent
the general public prosecutor's department.

6. The general public prosecutor's department did not give opinion favorable
to the extradition and the judges will give their verdict only on June 30th.

    We can even say that the analysis of the file of the Italian government,
with falsified details(rooms) and the others modified, was rather oppressive
for this one and showed the manipulations denounced(cancelled) by lawyers.
And the examination of the file the files of arhives of which were rather
favorable to the refusal of extradition.

To see on June 30th if French Judges at last will succeed to resist. I hope
so.

O.

Comment: obnoxious attitude of the Italian journalists during the lawsuit
(chatting during the pleas and not stopping entering and bringing out and
twice slamming the door; specially when the heard of piece from a high
Italian expert on Italian law ).





From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 03:30:37 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:30:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: acoustopsychogeographism 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405122130240.23939@panix3.panix.com>



acoustopsychogeographism

http://www.asondheim.org/node2.mp3
http://www.asondheim.org/node3.mp3

major corporation university node
space-psuh


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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 13 05:34:41 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:34:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1084419281.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>


au fait,

why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?

en fait, pourquoi,

alors que c'est si facile,

mais pourquoi ?

parce que c'est fastidieux ?

(&, let's tell you,

clement, il aurait pu,

connaissant him...)

louise, help us plizz !

______

ah oui, Elles oubliaient

the object real of the mimile :

http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html

_______

Elles proud hacking
astrëe's mimile boîte

hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih

_______


signé Otto von Strassenbach


bande d'anonymes !

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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 06:01:01 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:01:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: a list is a communality of people
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405130000490.3481@panix3.panix.com>




a list is a communality of people


if the world will disappear, i will make you smile, and i will disappear.
if i will speak no more, the moon will say to you, and if i say no more,
the sun will speak to you. for i will leave this list, and i will speak no
more, and i will leave the world, and you will see no more, nor will you
hear when i shall leave the world, nor will you speak, when i shall leave
the world. for your smile i will say the truth and leave a storm for you,
and for the moon, i will leave the sun and this sad world.:i will make a
storm for you if i will say the truth and i will make the sun come unto
the lord and beg forgiveness. for it is said, to beg forgiveness is the
sun and to demand such is the moon. if i will say a lie, i will make a
rainbow, and if you walk a while, the ends will be a circle. for to be at
the end is to witness the circle, whereof all of life, if the truth be
said, is the sun and the moon, and all of life is the moon and the sun. :i
will gladly give up this list if it will make you happier and i will give
up my life if it will make you smile but i will not give up my country,
it's of you, sweet land of liberty, long may it smile. i will leave this
happy world for peace and i will leave this sad world for the forsaking of
war and i will leave this world for you if it will make you smile. i will
destroy these words if they will make you mad but if they make you happy i
will give up this world, i will give up this world for you if it will make
you smile.:: sun and moon and world, how sad!


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From ctgr at free.fr  Thu May 13 10:18:42 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:18:42 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
In-Reply-To: <1044.82.224.112.161.1084419281.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <253A9000-A4B6-11D8-BA0A-000393B03010@free.fr>

because I am a woman

Le jeudi, 13 mai 2004, à 05:34 Europe/Paris, astrëe galbiatta a écrit :

>
> au fait,
>
> why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?
>
> en fait, pourquoi,
>
> alors que c'est si facile,
>
> mais pourquoi ?
>
> parce que c'est fastidieux ?
>
> (&, let's tell you,
>
> clement, il aurait pu,
>
> connaissant him...)
>
> louise, help us plizz !
>
> ______
>
> ah oui, Elles oubliaient
>
> the object real of the mimile :
>
> http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
>
> _______
>
> Elles proud hacking
> astrëe's mimile boîte
>
> hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih
>
> _______
>
>
> signé Otto von Strassenbach
>
>
> bande d'anonymes !
>
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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 10:33:13 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 04:33:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: found worlds + node4.mp3 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405130433050.21982@panix3.panix.com>




found worlds


Type: Post-AGB Star
ICRS 2000.0 = 06 19 58.2160 -10 38 14.691 A [22.95 14.69 128]
1997A&A...323L..4
9P
FK5 1950.0 = 06 17 37.02 -10 36 51.5 A [140.39 88.72 127]
1997A&A...323L..49P
FK4 1950 = 06 17 37.01 -10 36 51.6 A [141.88 89.91 127]
1997A&A...323L..49P
 gal = 218.97 -11.76
 mb, mv =  9.33       9.02   ---  sp type = B8V
 pm = -10.98 -21.10 A [  2.77   1.75 128] 1997A&A...323L..49P
 rv = ./.
 plx = 2.62 A [2.37] 1997A&A...323L..49P
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V* V777 Mon               NSV 2919                  ** A 2925AB
ADS 4954 AB               BD-10 1476                CCDM J06200-1038AB
GEN# +1.00044179J         GSC 05367-01134           HD 44179
HIC 30089                 HIP 30089                 IDS 06153-1036 AB
IRAS 06176-1036           NAME RED RECTANGLE        PPM 217028
RAFGL 915                 SAO 151362                TYC 5367- 1134-1
uvby98 100044179 AB       YZC 11 1886com HIC 30089 incl CCDM J06200-1038AB
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Measurements:
SAO: 1    UBV: 1    IRAS: 1   IUE:19    uvby1: 2  Hbet1: 2  Fe_H: 1
ISO: 5
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References: 368
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	 After Module Start:
	 After Win 32
	 After all news:
	Before news PCIScan:
	BIOS
	Logical Drives
	BeforeCDRom
	AfterCDRom
	USB
	Printers
	PoitingDevice
	Keyboard
	Monitor
	PCI Cards
	Disk
	PnP
	SW
	iPAQ
	iPAQ before
	iPAQ after
	Destructor init
	Destructor middle
	Destructor after usbdevice
	Destructor after monitor
	Destructor after processor
	Destructor after cdrom
	Destructor after drive
	Destructor after partition
	Destructor after floppy
	Destructor after printer
	Destructor after hp_printer
	Destructor after hp_usb
	Destructor after hp_pnp
	Destructor after pci_xml
	Destructor after port
	Destructor after bios
	Destructor after memory
	Destructor after keyboard
	Destructor after system
	Destructor after mouse
	Destructor after usb_data
	Destructor after printer_data
	Destructor after cdrom_data
	Destructor after disk_data
	Destructor after pci
	Destructor after pnp_data
	Destructor after bios_data
	Destructor after monitor
	Destructor end

http://www.asondheim.org/node4.mp3

 _



From stevanvukovic at yahoo.com  Thu May 13 07:03:39 2004
From: stevanvukovic at yahoo.com (stevan vukovic)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 22:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Thursday May 13, 2004, at 6.30 pm  the SMS Manhattan Shadow Project at Van Alen
Message-ID: <20040513050339.50682.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com>


Thursday May 13, 2004, at 6.30 pm ? the SMS Manhattan Shadow Project will be presented at Van Alen Institute in New York,  30 West 22nd Street, www.vanalen.org, phone 2129247000

Manhattan Shadow Project is a workshop of the School of Missing Studies [SMS], held at Van Alen Institute in New York City from May 10-14, 2004, to investigate the shadow in the metropolis, as it takes on an array of physical, digital and metaphorical appearances and meanings. A presentation will be held at Van Alen Institute Thursday May 13, 2004, at 6.30 pm with a reception following

SMS is a collaborative initiative of Liesbeth Bik (artist, Rotterdam), Katherine Carl (writer/curator, New York), Ana Dzokic (architect, Rotterdam), Srdjan Jovanovic Vajs (architect, New York), Ivan Kucina (architect, Belgrade), Marc Neelen (architect, Rotterdam), Milica Topalovic (architect, Rotterdam), Jos Van der Pol (artist, Rotterdam), Sabine von Fischer (architect, Zurich) and Stevan Vukovic (writer/curator, Belgrade).

School of Missing Studies (SMS)  provides a flexible educational platform and a network for international study and exchange on cultural issues related to the urban environment in cities marked by or currently undergoing political, social, and cultural transition. SMS will provide productive research and project opportunities for young professionals in architecture and art who are dealing with what is ?missing? in their studies with regard to processes of local urban change. Participants in SMS will explore the smooth area among established disciplines such as architecture, art, sociology and cultural studies to bring to light the missing phenomena of urban transition in Belgrade, Munich, New York, Rotterdam and Zurich. 

Manhattan Shadow Project is a workshop whose investigation is sparked by the current crisis of architectural and artistic forms as a physical mass or symbol that can identify and redefine the metropolis. Can a metropolis be captured by its negative? Can it be reshaped through its shadow? The zoning laws of the 1930s developed by Hugh Ferris, dubbed the master of darkness, will jump-start the workshop?s research on the urban importance of the physical, visible shadow. The city casts many metaphorical shadows concerning individuals? sense of belonging, the metropolis? projection of its identity on a scale which surpasses its physical confines, or neighborhoods becoming shadows of their former selves in light of tourism. The digital shadow of the cosmopolis is the disconnection from electronic and information networks despite the metropolis? promise for ultimate connectivity.


The workshop participants were students of architecture from Belgrade (Dubravka Sekulic, Dejan Mrdja, Andreja Miric and Jelena Mitrovic) and New York, under the critique and direction by SMS [Srdjan Jovanovic Vajs, Ivan Kucina,  Katherine Carl  and Stevan Vukovic ], Van Alen [Jonathan Cohen-Litant], Maria Lind, Sina Najafi, Dan Sherer, Katie Salen, Zoe Ryan, Nebojsa Seric-Shoba, Jenny PerlinChris Sharples, Anna Dyson, Miodrag Mitrasinovic and Valerie Tevere.

School of Missing Studies is supported by the Trust for Mutual Understanding, New York; Kulturstiftung des Bundes, Berlin and the US Embassy in Serbia and Montenegro.

 

 

 

 



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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 13 10:37:29 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:37:29 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
References: <253A9000-A4B6-11D8-BA0A-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <009b01c438c5$875abcc0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Je croule déjà sous les spams (mille par jour). Merci d'arrêter tes c...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>
Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$


> because I am a woman
>
> Le jeudi, 13 mai 2004, à 05:34 Europe/Paris, astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
>
> >
> > au fait,
> >
> > why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?
> >
> > en fait, pourquoi,
> >
> > alors que c'est si facile,
> >
> > mais pourquoi ?
> >
> > parce que c'est fastidieux ?
> >
> > (&, let's tell you,
> >
> > clement, il aurait pu,
> >
> > connaissant him...)
> >
> > louise, help us plizz !
> >
> > ______
> >
> > ah oui, Elles oubliaient
> >
> > the object real of the mimile :
> >
> > http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
> >
> > _______
> >
> > Elles proud hacking
> > astrëe's mimile boîte
> >
> > hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih
> >
> > _______
> >
> >
> > signé Otto von Strassenbach
> >
> >
> > bande d'anonymes !
> >
> > <pre>
> >                            _____________________________
> > <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
> >                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> > </pre>
> >
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From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 13 10:50:21 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:50:21 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
In-Reply-To: <009b01c438c5$875abcc0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <253A9000-A4B6-11D8-BA0A-000393B03010@free.fr> <009b01c438c5$875abcc0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1084438221.40a336cde32b3@imp3-q.free.fr>

Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> Je croule déjà sous les spams (mille par jour). Merci d'arrêter tes c...

Take it or Leave it, Aliette.
There are enough people here who are bored with your conneries and are not 
complaining. I am not complaining about you so please put up or shut up.

f.


> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>
> Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
> 
> 
> > because I am a woman
> >
> > Le jeudi, 13 mai 2004, à 05:34 Europe/Paris, astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
> >
> > >
> > > au fait,
> > >
> > > why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?
> > >
> > > en fait, pourquoi,
> > >
> > > alors que c'est si facile,
> > >
> > > mais pourquoi ?
> > >
> > > parce que c'est fastidieux ?
> > >
> > > (&, let's tell you,
> > >
> > > clement, il aurait pu,
> > >
> > > connaissant him...)
> > >
> > > louise, help us plizz !
> > >
> > > ______
> > >
> > > ah oui, Elles oubliaient
> > >
> > > the object real of the mimile :
> > >
> > > http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
> > >
> > > _______
> > >
> > > Elles proud hacking
> > > astrëe's mimile boîte
> > >
> > > hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih
> > >
> > > _______
> > >
> > >
> > > signé Otto von Strassenbach
> > >
> > >
> > > bande d'anonymes !
> > >
> > > <pre>
> > >                            _____________________________
> > > <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
> > >                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> > > </pre>
> > >
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> > > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
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> >
> >
> 
> 
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 13 11:24:45 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:24:45 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
References: <253A9000-A4B6-11D8-BA0A-000393B03010@free.fr> <009b01c438c5$875abcc0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <1084438221.40a336cde32b3@imp3-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <015d01c438cc$23a6bbf0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

je n'ai jamais protesté alors pour une fois, je peux bien ça ne mange pas de
pain ! c'était comme une blague froide sachant le propre désagrément que je
peux représenter ! mais tu vois toujours l'humour d'un seul côté alors c'est
désespérant. Sûr que ctgr lui au moins ne s'y est pas trompé car s'il sait
repérer mes pires il connait néanmoins quelques unes de mes bonnes
possibilités ;-)

On the list I have never protested before, here it was a fresh joke knowing
on my own online. Sure : ctgr has not a misunderstanding on my post ; if he
knows on my worst, he knows something on my best.

But Fred I see that jokes are seen only to a part, no to another one,

you are really hopeless ;-)
A.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fmadre at free.fr>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$


> Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:
> > Je croule déjà sous les spams (mille par jour). Merci d'arrêter tes c...
>
> Take it or Leave it, Aliette.
> There are enough people here who are bored with your conneries and are not
> complaining. I am not complaining about you so please put up or shut up.
>
> f.
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>
> > Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
> >
> >
> > > because I am a woman
> > >
> > > Le jeudi, 13 mai 2004, à 05:34 Europe/Paris, astrëe galbiatta a écrit
:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > au fait,
> > > >
> > > > why ctgr never has accusé v.n.a.t.r.c.? of corruption ... ?
> > > >
> > > > en fait, pourquoi,
> > > >
> > > > alors que c'est si facile,
> > > >
> > > > mais pourquoi ?
> > > >
> > > > parce que c'est fastidieux ?
> > > >
> > > > (&, let's tell you,
> > > >
> > > > clement, il aurait pu,
> > > >
> > > > connaissant him...)
> > > >
> > > > louise, help us plizz !
> > > >
> > > > ______
> > > >
> > > > ah oui, Elles oubliaient
> > > >
> > > > the object real of the mimile :
> > > >
> > > > http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
> > > >
> > > > _______
> > > >
> > > > Elles proud hacking
> > > > astrëe's mimile boîte
> > > >
> > > > hhihi hi hih  ih ih ih ih ihihihihihih hhihihih
> > > >
> > > > _______
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > signé Otto von Strassenbach
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > bande d'anonymes !
> > > >
> > > > <pre>
> > > >                            _____________________________
> > > > <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
> > > >                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> > > > </pre>
> > > >
> > > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> > > > Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> > > > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> > > > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > > > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> > > > no commercial use of the texts without permission
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > ----
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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> > > information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
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> > > no commercial use of the texts without permission
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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> no commercial use of the texts without permission





From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 13 11:57:49 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:57:49 +0200
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <008001c438d0$f8eef760$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Dis à toi tous les toits...
to you included all roofs...

> ah oui, Elles oubliaient
>
> the object real of the mimile :
>
> http://www.zogotounga.net/miroir/miroir3.html
>

... c'est magnifique ce truc là parce qu'en plus dynamique par le rythme
graphique, celui de la composition associé à celui de la navigation qui
intègre le casse-tête obsessionnel,

tu devrais le faire aussi en anglais.... le jeu rend-il la tâche trop
compliquée ?

parce que toi et l'anglais, pourtant ;-)

... I enjoy this (rythm and composition associated to surfing associated to
obsessional sense) why do not translate it in English ?





From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 13 12:03:25 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:03:25 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <008001c438d0$f8eef760$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <008001c438d0$f8eef760$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1084442605.40a347edbc327@imp3-q.free.fr>

> ... I enjoy this (rythm and composition associated to surfing associated to
> obsessional sense) why do not translate it in English ?

or in Greek ?

f.



From ctgr at free.fr  Thu May 13 12:06:28 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:06:28 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] pourquoi, ... pourquoi, ? ... pourquoi ????$
In-Reply-To: <015d01c438cc$23a6bbf0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <3363F76F-A4C5-11D8-B03F-000393B03010@free.fr>

> Sûr que ctgr lui au moins ne s'y est pas trompé car s'il sait
> repérer mes pires il connait néanmoins quelques unes de mes bonnes
> possibilités ;-)

le multi clic !






From digiteer at ispbonanza.com.ph  Thu May 13 10:40:50 2004
From: digiteer at ispbonanza.com.ph (=?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E1tima?= Lasay)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:40:50 +0800
Subject: Book: a critical look at information technology by Roberto
  Verzola (fw)
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040513163845.01e090e0@localhost>

Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 06:41:12 -0700
From: rverzola at gn.apc.org
Subject: book: a critical look at information technology

I just want to let my friends on this list who missed my March 10
book launching that my book Towards a Political Economy of
Information is now available at the Popular Book Store (Timog
corner T.Morato Ave., QC). It is also available from the publisher
Foundation for Nationalist Studies (lrc_fns at yahoo.com).

For the curious, I've enclosed below the book's Table of Contents.

Obet Verzola

Table of Contents:

Part I. Information and Intellectual Property Rights (IPR)

1. The miracle of the loaves
2. A new offensive against the Third World
3. U.S. piracy in the 19th century
4. The 'piracy' of intellectuals
5. GATT: Free Trade or Monopoly Growth?	
6. IPR: a clash of value-systems
7. Towards a political economy of information

Part II. ICTs and the Internet

8. Expanding market for information economies
9. A hierarchy of access
10. ICT: job creator or destroyer?
11. A poor learning environment
12. An interactive idiot box
13. Private space controlled by rentiers
14. Perverse subsidies
15. Internet cafes: connectivity for the masses?

Part III. Genetic Information And Genetic Engineering

16. Turning farmers into 'pirates'
17. Pirating genetic resources
18. Beware of modern vampires
19. Biosafety and genetic contamination

Part IV. Monopolistic Information Economies

20. Information monopolies and the WTO
21. Globalization: the third wave
22. Cyberlords: rentier class of the information sector	
23. Testing the political strength of a cyberlord
24. Globalization: poor design?
25. What could be more important than efficiency?

Part V. Alternatives: A Non-Monopolistic Information Sector

26. A well-kept IT secret
27. IT or AT?
28. Community rights over biological material: property or moral
rights?
29. Low-cost strategies for ICT deployment in developing countries
30.Greening the information sector	
31. Alternatives to globalization



Fátima Lasay http://digitalmedia.upd.edu.ph/digiteer/
Fingerprint 379A 3BD3 29D6 D3BD B135  2C4F BF89 F99A 6BF3 3BD3





From chris at musgrave.org  Thu May 13 13:17:29 2004
From: chris at musgrave.org (=?ISO-8859-1?B?qQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:17:29 +0200
Subject: /55\(no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <1F413658-A4CF-11D8-AD69-000A9591F2F4@musgrave.org>

Too simple.

On May 13, 2004, at 1:24 AM, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

> very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS




From thth at noos.fr  Thu May 13 14:48:10 2004
From: thth at noos.fr (TH)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:48:10 +0200
Subject: Shut-up.
Message-ID: <MEBBJLHHIBKMFNEPDLLDKEBGCHAA.thth@noos.fr>

http://casseurs2hype.free.fr/zik/chicros.ram





From ivo at reporters.net  Thu May 13 16:01:46 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:01:46 -0400
Subject: (Fwd) [World War 3 Report] Iraq: The Civil Opposition
Message-ID: <40A3478A.8977.D53E61A@localhost>

a different view on Iraq
------- Forwarded message follows -------
THE CIVIL OPPOSITION IN IRAQ

An Interview with Khayal Ibrahim of the Organization of Women's
Freedom in Iraq and Samir Noory of the Worker Communist Party of Iraq

by Bill Weinberg


March 8, International Women's Day, saw a courageous street
mobilization by nearly a thousand Baghdad women (and some male
supporters) against a proposed constitutional measure to impose
Islamic Shari'a law in Iraq. The march was called by the Organization
of Women's Freedom in Iraq (OWFI), which warned that the measure 
would
legalize the stoning and beheading of women and eliminate legal 
rights
in marriage, child custody, education and reproductive freedom. 
OWFI's
protests helped pressure Iraq's Governing Council to vote down the
measure--for now. But since the campaign, the organization's leader,
Yanar Mohammed, has been receiving death threats.

On March 3, a group of OWFI supporters held a solidarity vigil with
the Baghdad women at the Federal Building in downtown Manhattan. In
attendance were Khayal Ibrahim of OWFI and Samir Noory of the Worker
Communist Party of Iraq, who came down for the vigil from Toronto,
where they live as exiles. Both are in close contact with the
organizations they represent in Iraq, and serve as their North
American voice. On the night before the Manhattan vigil, Ibrahim and
Noory spoke with WW3 REPORT editor Bill Weinberg on his weekly
midnight talk show, the Moorish Orthodox Radio Crusade, on
listener-supported WBAI, 99.5 FM.


BW: Welcome aboard, Khayal Ibrahim of the Organization of Women's
Freedom in Iraq, OWFI.

KI: Thank you.

BW: And Samir Noory, of the Worker Communist Party of Iraq. Welcome
aboard!

SN: Thank you.

BW: Khayal was just giving me some interesting commentary on the 
music
we played. This is the only music that we have from Iraq, so our
listeners have heard it before. It was Les Maqams de Baghdad, and you
were just telling us about how this older Iraqi music differs from 
the
stuff which is in vogue today.

KI:  Yeah, this was very famous music from more than 30 years ago, 
and
everybody likes it because after that the songs changed to political
things mostly--people would just sing for Saddam, or just sing 
Kurdish
or Turkomani songs. That's why when I heard, I felt like "Oh god, 
that
was a long time ago that I last heard it," and I really liked it.

BW:  So the music today is somewhat polarized along ethnic linesŠ

KI: Yes exactly. At that time, nobody would think "Oh this isn't an
Arabic song, we won't listen to it." If the singer is good, everybody
liked it. Today it is different.

BW:  So that's indicative of the whole cultural climate in Iraq at 
the
moment...

KI:  Yes, exactly.

BW:  And, you're living inŠ

KI:  Right now I live in Toronto, Canada. We came for tomorrow's
demonstration, to support women against Shari'a law, which will bring
suffering for women in Iraq, and Iraqi women have been suffering for
so long. Even the civil law that we used to have was based on 
Shari'a,
but at least it gave some kind of civil rights for women, like the
right to refuse marriage. But with Shari'a law, woman will lose
everything. She will just be like any other object at home. She will
have no right to take care of her children when she gets separated,
she will have no right to separate from her husband, even if she is
stoned by her husband. It would legalize honor killingŠ

BW:  For being unfaithful, that sort of thingŠ

KI:  Exactly, so she can be stoned to death. It will take women back
more than 300 years. It's not fair in this world, in this time, that
women can live like that. We need to live just like women in any 
other
country in the world--like American women, like Canadian women. So we
don't accept that. For the Iraqi people, religion is supposed to be a
personal thing. You can be a religious person, or you can be a 
secular
person.

BW:  Well, this is the way it traditionally was under Saddam, but
there's now signs that this is going to be changing in the post-
Saddam
order.

KI:  Well, even with Saddam, the civil code that was instated in 1958
was based more than fifty percent on Shari'a law, even if it
guaranteed like some kind of rights--a little, we can say.

BW:  This was instated in 1958, after the monarchy was overthrown?

KI:  That's right. But after Saddam came to power, he added Article
111, which was a very big retreat for women. And since that time,
thousands of women have been killed--and nobody even mentions it.
People just think, OK, this is their tradition.  There is no
tradition!  And even if that's a tradition, we have to change thatŠ

BW:  So Saddam actually reformed the law to make it worseŠ

KI:  Yes, because political Islam was becoming stronger, they planted
their nets everywhere. All over.

BW:  This was the '80s?

KI:  Yes, in the '80s. A huge retreat for women in Iraq.

BW:  And just recently, there was a measure which was proposed by the
Governing Council which would have imposed Shari'a law, but was
defeated.

KI:  It was defeated, and that is a really good sign that the Iraqi
people are not accepting Shari'a law. We need to have freedom, we 
need
to be educated, to marry the person we want. We don't want to be
stoned by our husbands. We need full equality between man and woman.
So that is our main goal. We have to get it, and we have to fight for
that. And Iraqi women, they have a long, long history of struggling
against this tradition.

BW:  And OWFI has a strong presence on the ground in Iraq?

KI:  Yes, of course. It was founded more than 12 years ago in
Kurdistan. Today it has members all over Iraq, and committees all 
over
the world. We started in secret, because this was under Saddam's
regime. And we had a very rough time even in Kurdistan. When the two
ruling Kurdish nationalist parties, the KDP and PUK, first came to
power they killed thousands of women. We have documented all these
so-called honor killings. So while we finally had shelter from Saddam
there, we had a hard time at first. We had our newsletter, al-
Mosawat,
which means Equality, and they closed it down; we had our office
closed many times...

BW:  The office was where? What city?

KI:  It was in Suliymaniah, and we also had an office in Erbil. They
closed both of them, and they threatened all the women there, they
threatened them with honor killings, and we had to fight against 
that.

BW:  And OWFI has recently led some public protests in Baghdad.

KI:  Of course, OWFI led the demonstration against Shari'a when they
tried to impose it, and we had many public speeches. Yanar Mohammed 
is
the head of OWFI and she has been threatened two times now by the
political Islamic forces, and they taunted her the second time that 
if
she doesn't stop her activities she will be killed in a few days. So
here we need support from all the activists, all the freedom lovers Š

BW:  She is in Baghdad?

KI:  She is in Baghdad, and she gave us a call a few days ago. She
said she has to be more careful, but our struggle continues, we'll
keep fighting Š We have no choice, but to struggle and fight for our
rights until the end.

BW:  During the Saddam era, was she in Iraq? Or she was in exile?

KI: She was with us as an immigrant in Canada since about eight years
ago. But after Saddam's regime was gone she went back for political
activities, to start our Baghdad office, and publish our newspaper,
Equality...

BW:  In Arabic?

KI:  Yes, in Arabic, and we have it in English on the website.

BW:  Samir Noory of the Worker Communist Party of Iraq: could you 
tell
us something about your organization, and how it fared under Saddam,
and how it's been faring in the post-Saddam era?

SN:  Our party was established around 1993 as an underground
organization, and a lot of our members and cadres were arrested by
Saddam. There was no freedom, not any freedom of speech, so there was
no open political activity at that time. But we started our work in
north part of Iraq, in SuliymaniahŠ

BW:  In Kurdistan?

SN:  In Kurdistan, yeah, Suliymaniah and Erbil and Dahuk. And we had
our newspaper, ash-Shuyu'iya-al-Umalliya, and we were involved in a
lot of activity with the workers movement, the council movement, in
1991. I was there, I was one of them Š

BW:  What is the council movement?

SN:  We built a lot of workers' councils in the factories, like the
cigarette factories in Suliymaniah and Erbil. This was a new
independent labor movement in Iraq.

BW:  This emerged after the Kurdish autonomous zone was establishedŠ

SN:  It was in the uprising [against Saddam] in 1991. But this
movement was opposed by the nationalist movements in Kurdistan, the
PUK and PDK, and threatened by them--they sent the militia against
those activities...

BW:  So you were opposed to both the Kurdish parties and the Ba'ath
party...

SN:  Yeah, for sure!  From the beginning until now, we were against
the Ba'ath party because it was against all the political movements,
all the other political parties.  Yeah.

BW: And does the council movement still exist? Today?

SN:  Yes, it is very strong in Baghdad and Kirkuk now, and we still
have a presence in Suliymaniah and also in Erbil.

BW: Linked to your party?

SN:  Yeah, supported by our party. And also in Nasiriya, and I hear
they have started in Basra too.

BW:  And was your party able to have any kind of presence at all in
Saddam-controlled Iraq?

SN:  We protested Saddam's fake elections, and they arrested some our
members in Najaf and Nasiriya. They were in the Abu Ghraib prison
until Saddam was toppled.

BW:  And that was when? When was this fake election?

SN:  In 1995.

BW:  And your people were arrested for what exactly?

SN:  For writing on the walls, using paint against Saddam and against
this fake election. Some of them were sentenced to seven, ten years 
in
prison.

BW:  And have they been able to resume political activities now?

SN:  Well, now they face another problem with political Islam. I 
don't
know if you heard about how the Italian forces were sent to take over
our office in Nasiriya.

BW:  Oh, really?

SN:  Yeah, the troops protect the forces of political Islam there! 
And
now our office in Nasiriya is downŠ

BW: When did this happen?

SN:  This is happened two months after Saddam was toppled.

BW:  The Italian troops shut down your office in NasiriyaŠ

SN:  Yeah! We made a demo in Toronto and we entered the Italian
consulate, and we gave them our letter about that and they said 
"We're
gonna resolve this one," and they didn't! They are really helping
political Islam.

BW:  On what grounds did they close the office? With what
justification?

SN: I think they said, "We don't need any problems here, and you are
communists and the Islamic forces don't like it..." I don't know,
maybe they used this as an excuseŠ

BW:  So has your office reopened? Or it's still closed?

SN:  No, they didn't allow it.

BW:  So have you been able  to resume, for instance, putting out a
publication? Anywhere in Iraq?

SN:  Yeah, right now we have our newspaper ash-Shuyu'iya-al-Umalliya 
Š

BW: Which means what?

SN: It means "Worker Communist" in Arabic. 12,000 distributed each
issue.

BW:  In Baghdad?

SN:  In Baghdad, and in all the cities in Iraq. Mostly in Baghdad
because you know the population of Baghdad is around six million
people.

BW:  And when you call yourselves communists, what are your political
roots, what sort of tendency, ideologyŠ

SN:  You know, communist! It means another society, against the
capitalists, it means equality between the people, economically. 
That's the basis of our movement. And politically, we want socialist
rule, worker rule. That's what we call for.

BW:  Clearly. But certainly throughout the history of the world
communist movement, there's been all sorts of divisions and 
struggles,
so, do you come out on any side in terms of Trostskyism or Maoism..?

SN:  We don't agree with Trotskyists or Maoists, or the old Soviet
modelŠ We believe in Lenin and we don't agree with the Trotskyists.
Our leader in Iraq is Rebwar Ahmed, and we have links with the Worker
Communist Party of Iran, founded by Mansoor Hekmat, who died of 
cancer
two years ago Š

BW: Forgive my ignorance. Is there a relation between the Worker
Communist Party of Iran and the Tudeh, the traditional communist 
party
in Iran?

SN:  No, no, the Worker Communist Party of Iran is a new party, built
after 1991. Before that, there was the Communist Party of Iran,
established in 1980. But Tudeh is the old party that was linked to 
the
Soviet UnionŠ But this party is not, it's different, ideologically 
and
everythingŠ

BW:  Gotcha. Thanks for the correction. So, do you want to say a
little bit about your personal stories?  Where each of you come from,
and how you wound up in Toronto, and what your experiences were along
the way? You were born in Iraq?

SN:  I was born in Iraq, in Kirkuk, the old city.  Yeah.

BW:  And when did you leave? If you don't mind talking about it
publicly...

SN:  I was in Kirkuk most of my youth, I was a medical student, but 
in
1983, I was forced to leave because of my political activity. I was
mostly in Erbil, with a fake identity. I came to Toronto in 1998.

BW:  And Khayal?

KI:  I'm from Kurdistan, from the city of Dahuk.  I left Iraq in 
1995.
 And that was also because of political activities, especially with
women's activism. When I was in university, I found that the whole
society was going backward, and women were losing their freedom, and
we were getting killed, we were getting stoned in honor killings, a
big difference opened between brothers and sisters, a big difference
between men and women, and the whole society was against women.

BW:  What era are you referring to?

KI:  I'm talking about when I was in university, from 1991 to 1993.

BW:  In Kurdistan?

KI:  In Kurdistan in the city of Dahuk. After the first US war in 
Iraq
in 1991, Saddam Hussein lost his authority in Kurdistan, and the two
Kurdish political parties came to power--first they fought each 
other,
and then they started the honor killings. Nobody in Canada can 
believe
it, they say, "OK, where are the rules, where is the government, 
where
is the court?" The whole society was going back.  So we had to fight
that. And our lives were in danger.  A friend of ours was killed, and
then me and my husband received threats, and we had to leave. We 
moved
to Turkey and we applied to the United Nations from there and we
landed as immigrants in Toronto.

BW:  Who was in power in Dahuk at this point? This was one of the
Kurdish parties?

KI:  Yes, the KDP. But both [KDP leader] Masood Bazani and [PKK
leader] Jalal al-Talabani, they only build their own political
movement, they did not pay any attention to poverty, women's issues,
education. I remember when we were children, girls and boys used to 
go
to school just the same, there was no idea of "OK, the girl has to
stay home." But after these two parties came to power, about seventy
percent of the girls stayed out of school, they couldn't continue
their education.

BW:  So things actually got worse after the KDP came to power?

KI:  A lot worse! Girls just five years old, had to be hijab-ed, had
to wear the veil, that was compulsory, she has no right to say noŠ 
She
is stopped from going to school but her brother, it's OK he can go to
school. It was a very big retreat for women.

BW:  OK, but that did begin to turn around in Kurdistan in subsequent
years, right?

KI:  Yes it did. But at first there was not much difference between
Saddam and the Kurdish parties, because the political Islamic
movements had their nets are all over. They would tell the workers,
"Come and take some bread and rice, but you have to bring your young
daughter, and she has to memorize verses from the Koran, and she has
to wear a veil." They started to brainwash, especially the young
teenagers, they try to make them rule at home, "Your mother is not
allowed to do that, your sister is not allowed to do thatŠ"

BW: These groups were able to maintain their activities openly? Both
in Kurdistan and Saddam's Iraq?

KI:  Very openly, yes. Later they were put down by the KDP and PUK.
But the nationalists and Islamists--they have no better future for 
the
Iraqi people.

BW:  But let's say, two years ago, when Saddam was still in
power--things were better for women in the part of Iraq that Saddam
controlled?  Or better in Kurdistan?

KI:  In Kurdistan it was better, because of the movements, especially
the radical movements. The Worker Communist Party was a very big help
for us. And Saddam was not there, so we had more chance to talk
freely, even if the KDP and PUK also killed many of our friends and
closed our offices. But, overall, the Kurdistan radical movements had
more freedom. Saddam's society was completely closed, he was the
dictator, and there was no tolerance under his power. Otherwise, 
their
ideas were the same.

BW:  Arab nationalism versus Kurdish nationalism?

KI:  Yes. When Article 111 was passed, instating Shari'a law, 
hundreds
of women were hanged in southern Iraq--like 200 in about a week.
Mostly they were accused of being prostitutes. I have a friend who 
was
in Baghdad then--she stepped out of her house and she saw her
neighbor's body on one side of the street, and her head on the other
side of the street Š

BW:  And this was done by who? This was carried out byŠ

KI:  By Ba'ath regime.

SN:  Saddam's Fedayeen. He beheaded more than 200 women in Mosul and
Baghdad especially. Sometimes they allowed the brother or father or
husband to kill, the do the honor killing. They could kill any woman
in the family without punishment.

BW:  OK, so the measure which was just now before the Governing
Council would have made things even worse?

KI:  The Governing Council is a lot worse--instead of having one
Saddam Hussein we have about 25 Saddam Husseins with a much more
restrictive Islamic political program. And every day there is a
bombing in Iraq, by some kind of reactionary movement trying to 
impose
the same Islamic ruleŠ

BW:  How would the Governing Council's proposed Article 137 have
differed from 111, the one from the Saddam era? More stringent?

KI:  It is completely different. Under this one, women will have no
right to take their children in separation, no custody rights, and no
right to say who I will marry or to get divorced. Girls just 12 years
old can be married against their will with an older man, with no 
right
to say no--her brother or father can say, "you are going to marry."
She has no right to education, she has to wear the veil, she is not
allowed to leave the country, she has no civil rights, no human
rights. She has none.

BW:  But this was defeated? How was 137 defeated?

KI:  It was defeated by OWFI. That's the main thing--there was a
demonstration, thousands of women in the street.  They could no 
impose
it, we say it's impossible in a  country like Iraq. It is a modern
country, it is not Islamic, it has many religionsŠ And people in Iraq
are educated, we have many professionals. It is impossible to impose 
a
reactionary resolution like 137.

SN:  The first day this resolution came out, there were 85
organizations--not only OWFI but 85 other organizations, women's and
other civil organizations--they all came out and said no to this
resolution. See, the Iraqi people are a secular people, I do not 
agree
with anyone who says the Iraqi people are religious, this is an
Islamic country! I don't agree with that, this country is secular, a
good percent of women go to the university, many of our writers are
women. And now, Resolution 137 would mean stoning, cutting off handsŠ

BW:  But after your protests, the Governing Council voted it down?

SN:  Yeah.  They defeated it, five to fifteen.

KI:  But they defeated it under the pressure of the movements, the
women's movements.

BW:  Are there women in the council now? There are a couple, right?

SN:  I think three, but those women in the council, they wear a veil,
they are not radical Š

KI:  They don't speak for us.

SN:  Really, women's activists are not in the council, they're not
represented there.

BW:  I think the most important question for our listeners is, what 
is
your positive vision of Iraq's future?  Everybody wants the US out,
even George Bush is saying at this point he wants the US out--but 
what
happens after that? You oppose the occupation, but how do we get from
here to there? What are the circumstances under which the US can 
leave
without fundamentalists coming to power, or civil warŠ

SN:  First, before the war started, we said this is the dark 
scenario.
Right now it has become darker. Everyone can see--explosions on the
street, kidnappings, especially of women--gangs take women and kids,
in Baghdad, and sell them in Arabia, in Jordan... All this has never
happened in Iraq.

BW:  Women are being abducted from Iraq and sold in neighboring
countries? As prostitutes? As slaves? As what?

SN:  We don't know have the exact picture, but women can't walk in 
the
street without guards, without a brother or husband. This is the
situation. A very dark situation. This is what happened because of 
the
occupation. This occupation brought all the forces of political Islam
back. They opened the door for all the kinds of political Islam, from
Saudi Arabia, from Pakistan, from Iran--they are sending weapons and
money. If the occupation forces leave, the people of Iraq can decide
what they want to do. But right now they have no choice, the choice 
is
in the US forces' hands, the occupation forces. Really, we want them
to leave, and we know what we have to do. The Iraqi people want a
secular state. We want separation of religion and state.

BW:  I would like to believe that, and you know I have not been in 
you
country, but just looking at the media coverage here, even most of 
the
opposition to the occupation, the big rallies we've seen, have been
organized by Shi'ite groups and Sunni fundamentalistsŠ

SN:  No, no, the Shiites are in with the council, they are with the
occupation forces. Who says they are opposed?

BW: Well, not all of them. There's the Sadr group which is opposed,
right?

SN:  Most of the Shi'ite groups are in the council.

BW:  OK, so how is some kind of democratic secular state going to be
established in Iraq after the US pulls out? How do you envision this
happening?  Who can we concretely loan solidarity to here in New York
City and the US?

SN:  We believe there is a strong movement--the women's movement,
labor movement, the radical leftist and communist movements, the
democratic movements--they can establish a secular country in Iraq. A
lot of people! The majority of people in Iraq, they want a secular
country. They don't want a religious or ethnic state. They do not 
want
that.

BW:  And you feel the US occupation is collaborating with the
fundamentalist elements?

SN: I don't use this word "fundamentalism," I use "political Islam." 
I
don't divide political Islam into good and bad--I think all of them
have the same idea, the same goal. The US doesn't like bin Laden, so
they go with Sistani, they sit down with him and they give him power,
they give his people a council seat and everything, just like the US
supported political Islam in Afghanistan, in Pakistan. They say "this
is fundamentalism," "this is terrorism," this is good, this is bad. I
don't know, there is no good and no bad with political Islam--there 
is
just political Islam, they all want Shari'a, they want  an Islamic
republic like Iran, like Pakistan, like Saudi Arabia. And everyone
knows that means stoning, that means cutting off hands, that means no
freedom of expression, no freedom of speech, no freedom to publish...

BW:  It's also being portrayed that the only resistance to the US
occupation is coming from the al-Qaeda types, or else the Ba'athists.
So where is the resistance that we can actually support?

SN:  I told you! There is a movement with the people's support. You
can support OWFI, you can help see that Yanar Mohammed is not
threatenedŠ Now she is under threat every day. You can support this
movement. You can't change the situation in Iraq in one day or two
days. This is a process. Because the US came and toppled a government
in Iraq, and every militia has become a local power. No one has the
power! This is the dark scenario that US has brought to Iraq. They
brought it by their hands, and they have to leave and the people will
decide what they do. We know what to do! We are Iraqi, we have our
movement, we know how we change the situation to the better.

KI:  To make sure the country survives, the United Nations forces can
stay, just to make places safe until a whole government is elected Š

BW:  They also blew up the United Nations headquarters!

KI: That is right, but that is all because of presence of US. If the
US is out, they may keep bombing--because political Islam make no
distinction between a child or a soldier. They bomb everywhere. 
Didn't
they bomb the Twin Towers? There was no George Bush or government
target there, and they killed all people like me and you sitting in
the office doing their workŠ But if the US leaves, it will be a
struggle between the civil people and political Islam, and they will
lose, I'm sure! They will lose.

BW: Political Islam? Will lose?

KI:  They will lose their power. They can't stay long. The whole 
world
is changing, and they cannot accept it.

BW:  What is the organizational force which is going to effectively
oppose them? You've mentioned your two organizations, but do the
Worker Communist Party of Iraq and OWFI really have the 
organizational
capacity to take on Sistani, and al-Qaeda, and so on?

KI:  Well, we're not saying it's easy. Women in US didn't get their
freedom--and I know it's not over yet--but they didn't get it in just
a matter of days, they struggled years and years and the society
changed, the law became better and better, and that's our goal. It
doesn't matter how long it takes--we have to do our best to become
like the US and all the other countries where women are equal. And
even here, I don't agree that women are completely equal to men...

BW:  Things are going backwards in some respects.

KI:  Exactly. That's why we need to support each otherŠ We believe
women's rights are universal. Like humans rights are supposed to be
universal. And we say we have to support each other to build a better
world. I came to Canada and US because there is some kind of human
rights here. And that is why I go back home to fight for the same,
even if it's not easy.

BW:  How can people get in touch with OWFI? Are you on the web?

KI: Yes, we have a website, and many newsletters in English and
Arabic, and Farsi, also.

BW:  Great.  And the Worker Communist Party, how can people contact
you?

SN:  Also, we have a website.

BW: Great. So everybody, please join us tomorrow at Federal Plaza at
noon. I want to thank you so much for joining us! Khayal Ibrahim of
the Organization of Women's Freedom in Iraq and Samir Nori of Worker
Communist Party of Iraq. So glad you could make it!

KI, SN: Thank you, thank you.

BW: And why don't we go out with some more of Les Makams des
Baghdad...

---------------------

OWFI: www.EqualityinIraq.com

Worker Communist Party of Iraq: http://www.wpiraq.org

Transcription: Sarah Falkner

Special to WORLD WAR 3 REPORT, May 1, 2004
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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 17:35:00 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:35:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] Re: /55\(no subject)
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just about everyone is a mother fucker. you are too. and it's this
simplistic sort of analysis that results in violence in the first
place. dehumanize the enemy blah blah blah.


>
> On May 13, 2004, at 1:24 AM, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
>
> > very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS
>
>

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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 13 17:27:37 2004
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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:27:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:00:40 +0200
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 13 18:48:49 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:48:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405131648.i4DGmn375519@www.god-emil.dk>



From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>



>just about everyone is a mother fucker. you are too. and it's this
>simplistic sort of analysis that results in violence in the first
>place. dehumanize the enemy blah blah blah.


why the enemy [unconscious] MOTHER FUCKER +?





>> On May 13, 2004, at 1:24 AM, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
>>
>> > very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS
>>
>

>
>Too simple.


Prove it.


>On May 13, 2004, at 1:24 AM, integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
>
>> very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS









From a at e8z.org  Thu May 13 20:18:03 2004
From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:18:03 +0200
Subject: once upon a time
Message-ID: <DF99F566-A509-11D8-8BF3-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OneTimeWebServer




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From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:29:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
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que Sorbonne] Programmation Orientee Art > 19 & 20 mars

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From e at various-euro.com  Thu May 13 20:47:58 2004
From: e at various-euro.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=80?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:47:58 +0200
Subject: erasing 2004 + 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040513204630.04273c80@pop.1und1.com>



!!!!!longterm project!!!!
!!!!!ERASING!!!!! may-octobar 2004.
!!!!!everything what can be possible!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
international culture centar, belgrade, serbia
friday 14. may 20:00h
terazije 26
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marica radojcic, misa savic, ben edelberg, vladan jeremic, biljana!!!! 
klaric, rena rädle, katarina milojevic, nenad jeremic, dragana !!!!!!! 
markovic, aleksandra jovanic, irene de craen, selena savic!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!displaced dilemma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 13 21:34:24 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:34:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <200405131648.i4DGmn375519@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405131648.i4DGmn375519@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405131533260.1946@panix1.panix.com>


On Thu, 13 May 2004 integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

> >Too simple.
>
>
> Prove it.
>
>
Well, I didn't write the 'too simple' but you know - as well as I do -
that you can't prove ideological statements like this, any more than I can
'prove' I'm not a kike.

- Alan



From alainbieber at yahoo.de  Thu May 13 20:05:17 2004
From: alainbieber at yahoo.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?alain=20bieber=20I=20rebel:art?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:05:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ## REBEL:ART NEWS May02 ##
Message-ID: <20040513180517.28884.qmail@web25204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

** please post your news also to the rebel:art
mailinglist for art and activism:
rebelart at yahoogroups.com


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# FILM: “THE MERCHANTS OF COOL” 

See the great documentary of Douglas Rushkoff (Media
Virus) online:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/view/


# OPEN CALL: MEMEFEST 2004
 
Time’s a-wasting! The May 20th deadline for Memefest
2004 is fast approaching. Entry is free and easy. And
you can submit your work through our online form :
http://memefest.org/en/index.php?meme=competition&submeme=submit_your_work
Just signup for a free user name and login through our
website. There's no time to waste. Submit now...
Submit often... (You can enter as many different
projects as you wish.) Students of visual arts,
design, communications and sociology should go to the
Memefest website for competition details
(http://www.memefest.org). While artists and 
activists with a desire to explore modes of
communication that fall outside the market
paradigm should check out the Beyond... category at
http://beyond.memefest.org. (Remember: non-students
can enter the Beyond...category.) If you have any
questions, be sure to contact us at
memefest at memefest.org. Hurry... Subvert. Create.
Enjoy.


# OPEN CALL: CAMP FOR OPPOSITIONAL ARCHITECTURE 

http://www.anarchitektur.com
>From June 25th till 27th 2004, the political
architectural journal An Architektur organizes the
"Camp for Oppositional Architecture" in Berlin. This
international, open congress is searching for
possibilities of resistance within the field of
architecture and planning. An Architektur invites
theorists, offices, initiatives and other groups
active within these fields to present and develop
their positions together. How could politically
relevant work on the basis of planning and
architecture or with the means of their critique look
like today? How to criticize the demands of a
capitalist production of space? How to take 
a non-affirmative part within this powerful
contiguity? To participate in the internal part please
send a paper* explaining your own work and it’s
objectives as well as your interest in the Camp. The
Camp is free of charge. All participants will have
free board and the possibility of accommodations
in the Camp Space.


# CHAMP LIBRE: EAUX ARTES ÉLECTRONIQUES 

http://www.champlibre.com/eaux/
Inspired by UNESCO's International Year of Freshwater
2003, EAUX ARTES ÉLECTRONIQUES ! is a five-day event
that flows from May 19-23 and explores the
relationship between water and architecture in a city
that is itself island-based. Through a series of slide
shows broadcast in situ, the walls will ripple with
the works of four Montreal photographic artists --
Thomas Béhuret, Natalie Gadoua, Brigitte Henri and
John Londoño -- and for one night multimedia artist
Yan Breuleux will transform the station into a 
blue room. 


# RE-LOCATION ON TOUR 

http://www.re-location.org
Taking into account our changing view of Europe in
geographical, political, social and cultural terms,
the Re:Location 1-7 / Shake project took the form of a
work in progress, intended to last three years seeking
to experiment novel ways of working together among
partners operating in very different circumstances.
The challenge involved bringing art centres from eight
countries to work together on 
a joint project, not by imposing any single
standpoint, but rather enriching these different
artistic circumstances by confronting them 
with each other's specific situations. 


# OPEN CALL: IMPAKT 2004 : TRANSLATION 

http://www.impakt.nl/
The Impakt foundation invites to artists to send
proposals for their online art project Impakt Online.
Impakt would like to show six projects by artists who
use the Internet as medium as a starting point 
for their work (net. art). Please send in your
proposal by email to: online at impakt.nl


EVENTS (LIVERPOOL, WIEN, TÜBINGEN) 

LIVERPOOL 

# FACT: MEETING OF SITUATIONIST SIM CITY

28/05 2.30 PM, FACT, 88 Wood St., Liverpool, UK
Booking & information: thorn at fact.co.uk
With : JULIAN DIBBELL (Wired), NATALIE BOOKCHIN
(agoraXchange), ED HALTER (Village Voice), JELENA
KLASNJA, KRISTIAN LUKIC The similarities between the
'physical' and the 'virtual' in online 
Gaming worlds have inspired the imaginations of
artists, writers, and the Hollywood hive mind. Yet
these parallels are by no means accidental the 
creators of these gaming worlds made conscious, often
scholarly efforts to design systems that effectively
emulate real-world society. At the same time, the most
complex games allow users the free will to shape their
online societies in their own image. The complexities
of our society, politics, and
economy have been mapped onto virtual worlds by both
creators and participants. Any questions we ask of
these worlds, we ask of our own.

WIEN 

# BASIS WIEN: GHEORGHE & BREAKFAST  

http://www.basis-wien.at/
18/05 18 Uhr (MZ, AzW Hof) Vortrag: Cãtãlin Gheorghe
*A context under construction.” Art in Romania*
19/05 14-18 (Kunsthalle Wien) basis wien als
Gastgeberin bei permanent breakfast:
(http://www.permanentbreakfast.org) 

TÜBINGEN

# ZATOPEK: YOMANGO & POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
http://www.immerdienstags
18/05, 20.30h: "Political Correctness" und die Künste.
Über das lange Leben eines reaktionären Kampfbegriffs.
Von und mit Thomas Rothschild
25/05, 20.30h: YOMANGO oder die freie Zirkulation von
Wissen, Gütern und Bedürfnissen Eine
Theorie-Praxis-Performance mit YOMANGO (Barcelona)


#
#
#


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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 14 00:50:34 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:50:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: when and where of when of it
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405131850250.2401@panix1.panix.com>




when and where of when of it


20:44, when 1:43 when 0 when 2days when 26:27 when 0 when 0 when 3:12 when
0 when 0 when 0 when 14:10 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 26:27 when 0 when 0
when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 20:46 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when
0 when 3:12 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 3:12 when 14:10 when 0 when 14:10
when 1day when 10:58 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 14 where when
0 when 3:12 when 3:12 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 5days when 0 when 0
when 0 when 0 when 6days when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 5
when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 14:10 0 when 0 when 0 when 3:12 when 1day
when 18:05 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 22:12 when 18:05 when 0 when 0
when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 18 where when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when
0 18:05 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 0 when 18:05 when 0 when 0 when 19:11
when 0 when 0 p0 where p1 p2 where p3 p4 where p5 p6 where p7 p8 where p9
pa where pb pc where pe pf where pg ph where pi pj pk where pl pm where pn
po where pp pq where pr ps where pt pu where pv q1 where q2 q3 where q4 q5
where q6 q7 where q8 q9 where qa qb where qd qe qf where qg qh where qi qj
where qk qm where qn qo where qp qq where qr qs where qt qv where r0 r1
where r2 r3 where r4 r5 where r6 r7 where r8 r9 ra where rb rc where rd re
where rf rh where ri rj where rl rm where rn ro where rp rq where rr rs
where rt ru where s0 s3 where s4 s5 where s6 s7 s8 where s9 sa where sb sg
where sr su where t2 ft where ft days, when 6:01AM 6:23AM Thu09PM Wed12AM
when 10:48AM when 8:32AM Wed04AM when 10:30AM when 10:44AM when 7:39AM
Wed06PM Wed01PM when 11:40AM when 10:49AM Wed12AM when 11:22AM when
11:42AM when 11:44AM when 11:12AM Thu03PM when 10:21AM when 9:20AM Fri03PM
when 10:19AM Wed07PM when 10:25AM when 9:07AM when 10:25AM 12:51AM when
10:01AM Thu03PM when 11:46AM Tue07PM Wed07PM Thu03PM Wed06PM Sun01PM
Wed06PM when 10:20AM when 10:03AM Fri08AM when 11:02AM Thu03PM when
10:01AM when 10:31AM Wed10PM Tue11PM Wed09AM when 10:16AM when 10:11AM
when 8:31AM Thu08PM when 8:51AM when 10:02AM when 11:22AM 10:44AM Thu04PM
when 8:34AM when 10:24AM when 9:15AM when 10:24AM when 9:02AM when 11:26AM
when 11:00AM 9:37AM when 9:04AM when 10:34AM when 11:25AM Fri02PM when
10:25AM when 9:42AM when 9:43AM Tue08PM Tue12PM Wed05PM when 10:18AM when
11:06AM when 10:47AM when 9:49AM Swhen08PM Wed05PM when 10:57AM Wed10AM
when 11:07AM when 11:29AM when 11:11AM when 10:59AM when 11:12AM when
11:14AM Tue04PM when 11:18AM Wed11AM when 11:26AM Tue01PM when 11:26AM
when 11:29AM when 11:33AM when 11:34AM Wed05PM Tue03PM Wed01PM Wed02PM
when 11:33AM


__



From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 14 01:00:56 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:00:56 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] erasing 2004 + 
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040513204630.04273c80@pop.1und1.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040513204630.04273c80@pop.1und1.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040514005954.01f5bf20@pop.free.fr>

At 20:47 13/05/2004, you wrote:


>!!!!!longterm project!!!!
>!!!!!ERASING!!!!! may-octobar 2004.

octobar he smoke cigar!!!!

f. 




From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 14 01:04:07 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:04:07 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] ## REBEL:ART NEWS May02 ##
In-Reply-To: <20040513180517.28884.qmail@web25204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20040513180517.28884.qmail@web25204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040514010246.01f61ea8@pop.free.fr>

At 20:05 13/05/2004, alain bieber I rebel:art wrote:
>** please post your news also to the rebel:art
>mailinglist for art and activism:

gawd, did we really need one more of those ?

#############################
Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de

f.






From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 14 01:23:19 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: on the other hand from Al-Jazeera (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405131923050.8087@panix3.panix.com>




Bloggers doubt Berg execution video
By Lawrence Smallman

Friday 14 May 2004, 0:08 Makka Time, 21:08 GMT

Was this really Nick Berg's last moment or was he killed earlier?
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	Berg family points finger at FBI

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Revolting millions around the world, the video footage of an American
citizen's execution has also raised numerous questions concerning its
authenticity.

Even at first glance, internet bloggers were asking on Thursday why Nick
Berg was wearing an orange jumpsuit  just like US prisoners wear.

Other net surfers point to the unlikely timing of the executioner's dubbed
announcement that Berg was to die for "Iraqi prisoner abuse".

Berg was last seen alive on 10 April, when his father Michael Berg
believes he was killed - two weeks before the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse
scandal broke in the world's media.

Some discussions focus on the timing of the video's release - guaranteed
to divert attention from the outrage over US abuse of Iraqis.

Video oddities

There are plenty of questions raised concerning the video too. The body is
completely motionless even as the knife is brought to bear  not so much as
an instinctive wriggle.

More graphically, some claim that cutting the throat's artery would cause
a significant amount of blood to gush out. But little emerges and when the
head was raised  not a drop of blood is seen to fall.

"That's really what cost my son his life, the fact that the United States
government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of his
due process(es) or civil rights"

Michael Berg,
victim's father
In a possible explanation, one discussion room member suggested that Berg
was killed and then beheaded later.

However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A
Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami
website as the source for the video  at www.al-ansar.biz.

Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net looked at the site
within 90 minutes of the story breaking  and could find no such video
footage.

But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from
the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour.

Days before death

Other questions presented by bloggers are Berg's peculiar circumstances in
the weeks before his death. Why would a private Jewish American citizen
choose to wander around Iraq by himself?

Additionally, some have pointed out that his last email on 6 April to his
family stated he wished to return home as soon as possible  yet the FBI
claims he refused an offer of help to get home.

Some claim the face in the video
looks remarkably unlike Berg's
In the wider press, FBI involvement has also generated much discussion as
to why Berg was really arrested and detained for two weeks in Mosul.

The unemployed visitor was suspicious enough for Iraqi police to arrest
him  with FBI knowledge.

He had only just been released from prison where he had been held for 13
days by Iraqi police for reasons he said he did not know.

Family blames government

A US newspaper claims an official familiar with the case knew that FBI
agents had interrogated Berg, but had left him for two weeks because he
was in Iraqi - not American - custody.

Father Michael Berg has blamed
US forces for his son's death

But the official was unable to clarify the legal difference between the
two, given the US occupation.

On 5 April, Berg's family filed a suit in federal court in Philadelphia -
contending that their son was being held illegally by the US military in
Iraq. The next day, he was released and left to get himself home.

The last time the family heard from him was on 9 April. His headless body
was found near Mosul on 8 May.

"That's really what cost my son his life, the fact that the United States
government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of his
due process or civil rights," Michael Berg said.

Final question

Some bloggers focused on the accent of the purported executioner. Many
deny the accent is either Iraqi or Jordanian - while claims the voice is
Egyptian or Iranian have been made.

The Jordanian accused of the beheading Berg is himself believed to have
been killed in March, according to two Islamist groups.

An eight-page leaflet circulated this week in Falluja said Abu Musab
al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniya mountains of northern Iraq during
a US bombing.

But even if it were the Jordanian, one discussion room member observes his
face is so well-known that "why would he bother to cover it?"
Aljazeera

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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 14 05:37:58 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:37:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 2400 g
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405132337500.27648@panix1.panix.com>



2400 g

tremendous waves fluxed on streetcorner

http://www.asondheim.org/node5.mp3

heading out to starnoise

thus goes another event

disappearance is permanency


_



From eric.m at bobig.com  Fri May 14 07:47:29 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:47:29 +0200
Subject: ...
Message-ID: <40A45D71.4020008@bobig.com>

http://www.bobig.com/photoblog/archives/002072.html




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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:26:01 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 179
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R    E    A    L    T    O    K    Y    O    MAIL MAGAZINE
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[This Week's Index]

(1) Out of Tokyo Vol. 087
In-between
by Ozaki Tetsuya

(2) Event Pick of the Week
Noguchi Rika: I Dreamt Of Flying
by Naomi



This week's RT Picks:

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including 13 new ones!
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===============================================================
(1) Out Of Tokyo
===============================================================

Vol. 087: In-between
by Ozaki Tetsuya

I'm writing this time from Seoul, where I was invited to attend
the art conference "In-between". The event was organized by Suh
Jin-Suk, the Korean curator of the Chinese-Korean-Japanese
collaboration exhibition "Out the Window" that was held earlier
this year at The Japan Foundation Forum in Akasaka, Tokyo,
together with his colleague, Yun Cheagab. Among the participants
were operators of alternative spaces, critics, editors of
art-related publications and others, mainly from Asian countries,
but also from Canada, France, New Zealand, Australia, or the USA.
Over three full days a number of presentations and discussions
take place a a brand new hall owned by SBS, one of the three big
Korean broadcasting stations. The last one just closed, and after
two parties I decided not to join the group for the karaoke night,
but return to my hotel and write this manuscript.
Read more at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/column/ozaki87.htm


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(2) Event Pick of the Week
===============================================================

Noguchi Rika: I Dreamt Of Flying

"Seeing Birds", "A Feeling of Something Happening"... Noguchi
Rika always chooses great titles that are at once linked with
and antagonistic to the respective works, and the photographs'
overwhelming power stirs up the viewer's poetic imagination.
Shown in Noguchi's first major solo exhibition in the capital
region is a selection of her previous work, along with some new
pictures she took of handmade rockets and ruins on the ocean
floor off Yonaguni island. In such images she creates dynamic
encounters with nature, looking up to the sky or diving the
Okinawan sea. Since Noguchi Rika is a photographer who puts her
displays together with great care, I recommend you watch this
exhibition carefully too.
--Naomi

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From lars.midboe at electrohype.org  Fri May 14 12:58:44 2004
From: lars.midboe at electrohype.org (lars.midboe at electrohype.org)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:58:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Call for entries Electrohype 2004
Message-ID: sympa.1084532031.125.5@anart.no

Call for entries Electrohype 2004 - the third Nordic biennial for computer-based art.

Deadline May 31st 2004.

Electrohype is pleased to announce this call for entries for the exhibition that will be a follow up to two previous exhibitions Electrohype 2000 and 2002. The upcoming exhibition will be a large scale and broad presentation of computer based and high tech art.

The exhibition Electrohype 2004 will be held at Malmo Konsthall, one of the most beautiful exhibition spaces for art in Scandinavia. The exhibition will be presented for eight weeks on 1700 square meters (13 000 square feet). This gives us a unique opportunity to compile a spacious exhibition that gives all works and installations good conditions.

Our goal is to present an exhibition consisting of 15 - 20 works of art. The concept of the Electrohype biennial is that it shall be a Nordic exhibition but this does not exclude works by artists from outside the Nordic region. To give the exhibition a broad perspective we are usually working with a 60/40 model, 60 percent from the Nordic region and 40 percent from the rest of the world.

Given the opportunity to present an exhibition in this large scale in a space that reaches a large audience (235 000 visitors annually) we have decided to choose the theme PERSPECTIVE for this exhibition. This means that we will not only include newly produced works but also look for artwork that draws a historical line for a rather young art genre.

Important dates
Deadline for this call for entries may 31st, 2004
Exhibition opening November 27th 2004
Exhibition closing January 23rd 2005

What kind of art are we looking for?
Electrohype has since the start in 1999 focused on what we choose to call computer based art. Art that runs of computers and utilizes the capacity of the computer to mix various media, allow interaction with the audience, or machines interacting with each others etc. in other words art that can not be transferred to "traditional" linear media. This might seem as a narrow approach but we have discovered that it gives us a better focus on a genre that in no way is narrow.

We are not looking for "straight" video art (even if it is edited on a computer) or still images rendered on computers and other material that refers to more "traditional" media forms. Forms were the traditional tools have been replaced with computers and software.

Practical
An online application form and a PDF form can be found on our website:
http://www.electrohype.org/2004/entrieinfo02.html

NOTE: Please do NOT send documentation material as attachments to e-mail and do NOT send 8 pages CVs. Put your material online and send us the url or ftp address or send us a CD in the mail. Please read the form and follow the guidelines. We receive a large amount of proposals and all of them are reviewed closely. To be able to do this we ask you to follow this structure. 

Financial
We are still working on the fundraising for the exhibition. We will hopefully have final numbers sometime during this summer. We will have to adjust the final selection of works for exhibition according to the financial situation. This is unfortunate but it is also necessary, art is beautiful but financial reality is harsh.

We will encourage everyone submitting material to look for possibilities for local funding to help cover costs for transport, travel and rent of technical equipment.

In previous exhibitions we have managed to keep a high level both in artistic content and exhibition design, even on a modest budget. It is therefore very important for us to avoid unpleasant surprises, so please keep this in mind when filling out the various posts in the form, especially when it comes to technical requirements, transport weight etc.

We are looking forward to see new and interesting works of art.

Best regards from the Electrohype team.

Anna Kindvall and Lars Gustav Midboe



From lars.midboe at electrohype.org  Fri May 14 13:02:03 2004
From: lars.midboe at electrohype.org (Lars Gustav Midboe)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:02:03 +0200
Subject: Call for entries Electrohype 2004
Message-ID: <p05010401bcca572ba596@[195.17.40.85]>

Call for entries Electrohype 2004 - the third Nordic biennial for 
computer-based art.

Deadline May 31st 2004.

Electrohype is pleased to announce this call for entries for the 
exhibition that will be a follow up to two previous exhibitions 
Electrohype 2000 and 2002. The upcoming exhibition will be a large 
scale and broad presentation of computer based and high tech art.

The exhibition Electrohype 2004 will be held at Malmo Konsthall, one 
of the most beautiful exhibition spaces for art in Scandinavia. The 
exhibition will be presented for eight weeks on 1700 square meters 
(13 000 square feet). This gives us a unique opportunity to compile a 
spacious exhibition that gives all works and installations good 
conditions.

Our goal is to present an exhibition consisting of 15 - 20 works of 
art. The concept of the Electrohype biennial is that it shall be a 
Nordic exhibition but this does not exclude works by artists from 
outside the Nordic region. To give the exhibition a broad perspective 
we are usually working with a 60/40 model, 60 percent from the Nordic 
region and 40 percent from the rest of the world.

Given the opportunity to present an exhibition in this large scale in 
a space that reaches a large audience (235 000 visitors annually) we 
have decided to choose the theme PERSPECTIVE for this exhibition. 
This means that we will not only include newly produced works but 
also look for artwork that draws a historical line for a rather young 
art genre.

Important dates
Deadline for this call for entries may 31st, 2004
Exhibition opening November 27th 2004
Exhibition closing January 23rd 2005

What kind of art are we looking for?
Electrohype has since the start in 1999 focused on what we choose to 
call computer based art. Art that runs of computers and utilizes the 
capacity of the computer to mix various media, allow interaction with 
the audience, or machines interacting with each others etc. in other 
words art that can not be transferred to "traditional" linear media. 
This might seem as a narrow approach but we have discovered that it 
gives us a better focus on a genre that in no way is narrow.

We are not looking for "straight" video art (even if it is edited on 
a computer) or still images rendered on computers and other material 
that refers to more "traditional" media forms. Forms were the 
traditional tools have been replaced with computers and software.

Practical
An online application form and a PDF form can be found on our website:
http://www.electrohype.org/2004/entrieinfo02.html

NOTE: Please do NOT send documentation material as attachments to 
e-mail and do NOT send 8 pages CVs. Put your material online and send 
us the url or ftp address or send us a CD in the mail. Please read 
the form and follow the guidelines. We receive a large amount of 
proposals and all of them are reviewed closely. To be able to do this 
we ask you to follow this structure. 

Financial
We are still working on the fundraising for the exhibition. We will 
hopefully have final numbers sometime during this summer. We will 
have to adjust the final selection of works for exhibition according 
to the financial situation. This is unfortunate but it is also 
necessary, art is beautiful but financial reality is harsh.

We will encourage everyone submitting material to look for 
possibilities for local funding to help cover costs for transport, 
travel and rent of technical equipment.

In previous exhibitions we have managed to keep a high level both in 
artistic content and exhibition design, even on a modest budget. It 
is therefore very important for us to avoid unpleasant surprises, so 
please keep this in mind when filling out the various posts in the 
form, especially when it comes to technical requirements, transport 
weight etc.

We are looking forward to see new and interesting works of art.

Best regards from the Electrohype team.

Anna Kindvall and Lars Gustav Midboe
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From: benjamin_lists at typedown.com (Benjamin Fischer)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:20:11 +0200
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English version see below

Filmgalerie 451 und Wand 5 e.V. praesentieren

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Kurzfilme von Mark-Steffen Goewecke, Oliver Husain, Ulrich Koehler, Eva Koennemann, Stanislaw Mucha, Jan Peters, Corinna Schnitt

Vorgefuehrt beim Stuttgarter Filmwinter und zusammengestellt von Giovanna Thiery und Ulrich Wegenast

Termin & Uhrzeit: 19. Mai, 21 Uhr Ort: TurmForum Stuttgart 21, Ebene 3, im Stuttgarter Bahnhofsturm

Nach der grossen Resonanz von X-Pilation 1 - deutscher Experimentalfilm der 80er und 90er Jahre - arbeiten die Filmgalerie 451 und Wand 5 erneut zusammen und veroeffentlichen eine DVD mit narrativen, experimentellen Kurzfilmen und -videos aus Deutschland.

Die aktuelle Kompilation umfasst preisgekuerte Kurzfilme, die sich auf unkonventionelle Art und Weise mit dem Thema "Erzaehlung" auseinandersetzen. Das filmische Spektrum reicht von persoenlichen Reflexionen ueber Oral History und Marienerscheinungen bis zu Campy Storytelling ueber Erfolg und Niedergang eines Popduos. Die Narrationsformen sind heterogen. Stehen Reduktion bei Corinna Schnitt und Ulrich Koehler im Vordergrund, schwelgen Oliver Husain und Jan Peters in Bildern und Worten. So vielfaeltig die Erzaehlstile sind, so vielfaeltig sind auch die Aesthetiken und Techniken: Waehrend Jan Peters seinen Diary Film auf Super 8 drehte und ungeschnitten aneinanderreiht, bestehen Schnitts und Koehlers Filme aus einer einzigen, praezise durchkomponierten Kamerafahrt. Oliver Husain kombiniert computergenerierte Kulissen mit Realfilm und kreiert ein besonders kuenstliches Ambiente. Eva Koennemann uebernimmt Computerbefehle, um eine Option filmischer Narration zu suggerieren: Love and Hate im digitalen Zeitalter. Stanislaw Mucha und Mark-Steffen Goewecke widmen sich mit besonderer Hingabe den Erzaehlenden...

Eva Koennemann: Null - Eins
1995-96, 9 Min., 16mm
(Preis der deutschen Filmkritik fuer Experimentalfilm 1996)

Corinna Schnitt: Das schlafende Maedchen
2001, 8:30 Min., 16mm
(Norman 2002 beim Stuttgarter Filmwinter)

Oliver Husain: Ron & Leo
1999, 12:47 Min., Beta SP
(Hessischer Filmpreis 1999)

Ulrich Koehler: Rakete
1998, 10 min, 16mm

Mark-Steffen Goewecke: L'hotel
1997, 12 Min., 16mm
(Preis der deutschen Filmkritik fuer Experimentalfilm 1997)

Jan Peters: Aber den Sinn des Lebens hab' ich immer noch nicht
rausgefunden
1996, 20 min, Super 8/16mm

Stanislaw Mucha: Ein Wunder
1998, 7 Min., Beta SP
(Norman 1999 beim Stuttgarter Filmwinter)

Ausserdem beinhaltet die DVD Zusatzmaterial der Regisseure sowie die Trailer des Stuttgarter Filmwinter 2000-2004.

Bei der Vorfuehrung sind mehrere Regisseure anwesend und Giovanna Th. veranstaltet ein spannendes Quiz! Getraenke kommen von Frau Schreck. Der Eintritt betraegt 5 Euro.

Die Herstellung der DVD wurde mit freundlicher Unterstuetzung des Medienteams der Landeshauptstadt Stuttgart realisiert. Wir danken dem TurmForum Stuttgart 21 e.V. fuer die Unterstuetzung bei der Premiere.

Filmgalerie 451 and Wand 5 present
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Venue: TurmForum in the tower of the Stuttgart railway station Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004

After the success of X-Pilation 1 (German Experimental Film of the 80s and 90s) Filmgalerie 451 and Wand 5 cooperate once again and publish the DVD with German short films and videos which deal with strategies of narration.

The compilation includes award winning short films by Mark-Steffen Goewecke, Oliver Hussain, Ulrich Koehler, Eva Koennemann, Stanislaw Mucha, Jan Peters,and Corinna Schnitt. The programme ranges from oral history and personal reflections to campy story telling and religious visions. For further information please contact the Wand 5 office (wanda at wand5.de).

The DVD X-Pilation 3 has been realized with the support of the Mediateam of the state capital Stuttgart. Thanks to the TurmForum Stuttgart 21 for supporting the presentation and premiere.

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Friedrichstr. 23a
70174 Stuttgart
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Tel.: + 49-711-993398-0 (NEW!)
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email: wanda at wand5.de
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media-space 04
www.media-space.org
October, 22-24, 2004


18th Stuttgart Filmwinter - Festival for Expanded Media
www.filmwinter.de

Festival: January 13-16, 2005
Warm Up: January 6-12, 2005

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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 14 14:17:54 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:17:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: sixth
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page sixth {The videotape of the beheading last night - I downloaded and examined for
hidden characters/messages - left me feeling nightmarish; it combines
with memories of reading the medical cases in Nazi Germany, the tortures
in Israel, body parts in Gaza, prison torture images, and it doesn't help
that both men assassinated in Iraq were Jews; our army is Jewish, Jews
are everywhere and will bring the world down with them. I am included; I
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in kind or too vehemently to an attacker of the SMASH piece which I stand
behind. All of us have our horrors and horror-stories; the worst in fact
is the necessity of defense...
Today reading in the following:
The Electric Interurban Railways in America, Hilton and Due, Stanford -
well this is cheering; I remember such from Wilkes-Barre to Scranton when
I was very young - unfortunately, unlike, say, as in Japan, they didn't
last -
Writings on Art and Literature, Freud, Stanford as well and all the usual
suspects. From the period of the _understandable world._
Women's Writings 1778-1838, An Anthology, edited by Fiona Robertson -
this is in the Oxford World's Classics, and is wonderful - an amazing
period - Hemans is in it, Shelley as well -
Prophetic Writings of Eleanor Davies, Esther S. Cope, Oxford. A
17th-century prophet - there were apparently quite a few. Rushed writing
almost in a religious frenzy, quite wonderful.
And this - The Human Impact Reader, Readings and Case Studies, edited by
Andrew Goudie - really _can_ recommend this from 1997, Blackwell. We need
to be reminded of these concrete particulars - for example - Lowering of
a Shallow, Saline Water Table by Extensive Eucalypt Reforestation - these
things are serious although they appear perhaps minor, anecdotal - but in
fact, for example again, reforestation is a highly contested issue
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From contact at diesel-new-art.com  Fri May 14 15:59:59 2004
From: contact at diesel-new-art.com (Diesel New Art)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:59:59 +0200
Subject: Diesel New Art - Deadline in 15 days - 2000 Euro cash prizes
Message-ID: <BCCA7EAB.526E%contact@diesel-new-art.com>

Enter Diesel New Art now if you have any new art work that is waiting to be
rewarded. Just log-in and upload/link it and you will be part of the short
list for getting 2000 Euro as well as representation in the Swedish and
Danish art galleries.

WWW.DIESEL-NEW-ART.COM

Deadline: MAY 31ST

All the best
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From ivo at reporters.net  Fri May 14 17:41:58 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:41:58 -0400
Subject: Maybe the future is in outsourcing?
Message-ID: <40A4B086.23579.12D5FD3B@localhost>

New commander of Abu Ghraib comes there from a Guantanamo Bay, which 
while being criticized by international human rights organizations 
for inhumane treatment of prisoners, at least, did not produce 
thousands of incriminating pictures and videos about it. I am sure he 
will make sure Abu Ghraib receives the same smooth guidance. First 
two things he did is to stop millitary intelligence unit from giving 
orders to military police unit, reinstating the normal army command 
procedure, and to move Iraqi detainees under American guard from the 
old - cursed - Abu Ghraib prison structure, and into the new 
provisory building the US is putting up there, out of superstition 
that the walls of Abu Ghraib, saturated with screams of decades of 
Saddam Hussein's victims who were tortured there, would somehow 
continue to corrupt hearts and minds of young Americans serving there 
into becoming the bestial torturers and take pictures of 
themselves... Event Horizon? Or maybe THIS is the secret Saddam's 
weapon of mass destruction? A virus hidden in the Abu Ghraib that 
makes people loose all empathy for the other human beings?

Meanwhile the foot-soldiers charged for wrongdoing are brought back 
to the show trial in the US. Americans can, indeed, do great court 
trials. So, we are in for some good TV. Already, Sivits, the one who 
was the quickest to make a deal with the government, is telling the 
government story: there were no orders, we did it because we were 
stupid, or whatever; I am guilty, and the others are (much) guiltier; 
now, please, let me go and put them in prison. He was just standing 
around and laughing. Frederick and OTHERS did the kicking, stomping, 
ordering detainees to strip and masturbate, and so on. Others have 
such improbable names like England and Wisdom (the later being 
obviously quite inappropriate for the bearer). He particularly 
dislikes one named Graner, whom he blamed for the heaviest of the 
abuses. Now, the viewers are anxious to hear what Graner has to say 
about that. This brings guaranteed high TV ratings to the station 
that will broadcast the trial. Good ad revenue. Because everything 
can and is turned into profit.

For the future, however, to avoid the emabarassment of watching your 
own boys and girls misbehaving in such a way, maybe Pentagon should 
outsource its prisons supervision to people with far more experience 
in humiliating Muslims...
http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23706

ivo 



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Fri May 14 18:56:04 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:56:04 +0200
Subject: vanity fair - well known and named  - to all performances (part 1)
Message-ID: <00cd01c439d4$5a6bf110$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

A cynicistic birthday...

Voici les deux interviewes de Wolfowitz, citées dans le mail précédent.
Edifiantes... je ne peux les traduire faute de temps ; mais je pense que
j'ai assez donné pour que des amis s'y mettent à leur tour afin de nous
renvoyer une version française ? Je pense qu'avant l'anniversaire du 6 juin,
cet anniversaire là, celui-ci de mai, à propos de l'Irak, est informant...

Allez, une traduction rapide avec un traducteur en ligne supervisée, de
sorte qu'on puisse l'envoyer sur les listes de diffusion francophones ?

A+ L.



PLease, have a look on that follows (from Vanity fair, may 2003) in the site
of US Defense! (Wolfowitz himself who has supervized Guatanamo system, was
in Abu Ghraib with General Janice Zarpinski, in July 2003 -photo in  Le
Monde)... and do not beleive the inverse reference which was the camps
(human pyramide. They have played with something which is a bad subject

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030509-depsecdef0223.html :

Quote:

Updated 29 May 2003
   United States Department of Defense.

Presenter: Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz Friday, May 9, 2003

Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Interview with Sam Tannenhaus, Vanity Fair




Q: What do you think all the conspiritorial talk is? Do you have any notion,
in Europe and here? What are people looking at this way?

Wolfowitz: I think it's pretty obvious and I think it's pretty disgraceful
but all you can do is ignore it and go on and get the job done.

Q: What is it? I mean some say anti-Semitism. I guess in Europe that would
be --

Wolfowitz: I just said all I'm going to say about it.

Q: Okay. There's a question now as to whether in Iraq itself --

Wolfowitz: You know it's completely out in the open who holds what views in
this Administration. You couldn't be more transparent about what the
arguments are. The most significant thing that has produced what is
admittedly a fairly significant change in American policy is the events of
September 11th which are going to count as one of the -- If you had to pick
the ten most important foreign policy things for the United States over the
last 100 years it would surely rank in the top ten if not number one. It's
the reason why so much has changed, and people who refuse to look at that,
for whatever reason, or are unwilling to face up to the implications of that
then go around and look for some nefarious explanation. But it's shameful.

Q: Since you brought that up let me ask you something related to that. I've
looked at the remarkable Defense Policy Guidance of 1992 --

Wolfowitz: Wait a minute. Did you look at the guidance or did you look at
the draft that was leaked before I saw it?

Q: That's a very good point. Actually all I saw were summaries of it. Is
there a big discrepancy as to what was reported and what was in it?

Wolfowitz: Yes. In short. At some point I guess it's acquired such a life of
its own I ought to go back and refresh my memory.
But the way I remember it approximately is as follows. I gave a quite
substantial briefing to Secretary Cheney and what was then called I guess
the Defense Resources Board on a post-Cold War defense strategy, the essence
of which was to shift from a strategy for being prepared to fight a global
war, to being focused on two possible regional conflicts. And to downsize
the U.S. military by some 40 percent.
That was sort of taken to the President, promulgated in a speech in Aspen on
August 2, 1990, which you may recall happened also to be the day that Iraq
invaded Kuwait. In fact we had, in that briefing that I gave in May I think,
it focused on the Iraqi threat to the Arabian peninsula as one of the
regional problems we needed to be prepared to deal with. At the time that
was considered a revolutionary idea. By the time the President gave the
speech it had already happened. [Laughter]
Then that general briefing had to be translated into a guidance document for
the department. Some people on my staff wrote a draft. Before I even got to
see the draft someone leaked it to the New York Times, apparently because
they didn't like it. The New York Times then wrote about the draft.
If you go back, and you can do this with Lexis/Nexis. If you go back, the
excerpts from the draft are nowhere near as hysterical as the way the New
York Times reported it. So people in the first place were reacting to the
New York Times description of the draft as opposed to the actual text of the
draft which the Times in fact did publish.
I repeat, it was not a draft that I'd even reviewed yet.
As I recall, one of the pieces of hysteria was the idea that this is a
blueprint for a massive increase in U.S. defense spending, when in fact it
was a blueprint for a 40 percent reduction in U.S. defense spending. It goes
on from there.
When we did a revised draft that in fact I had reviewed carefully, the State
Department initially didn't want us to put it out, I think because it was a
little too much. Well, I don't know why. They didn't want us to put it out.
I don't want to speculate on motives. But in January of 1993 as we were
about to leave, I said to Cheney don't you think we should publish it? And
he said yes, we should. So it's available in the full text as the Regional
Defense Strategy of January, 1993.
I know people say oh well, they just sanded off the corners because the real
thing received such an adverse reaction. But the truth of the matter is what
the Times was writing about was something that I'd never seen. What is
published, while I will admit some of the corners are rounded off on it,
reflects my views.

Q: What did you make of the reaction at the time? You were an important
public official then, but you weren't particularly visible. And I looked at
the Times -- That was the right hand column front page story on the same
day, by the way, that the Whitewater story broke in the paper, March 8,
1992.
And of course there were Democratic primaries coming up, Super Tuesday. Was
this your first taste of what the media will do to you when they think they
have a story? Or were you schooled in that before?

Wolfowitz: I've run into it before. If the media had more of a right wing
bias I would have run into it in a major way with the Philippine policy. We
had a few shots at us from the conservative press that we were undermining
Reagan's good friend Ferdinand Marcos. No, I've been shot at from both
directions.
I think the first time was over the Team B exercise back in 1976.

Q: Oh, that's right.

Wolfowitz: It seems to go with the territory.

Q: And there again you'd written a fairly straightforward account, wasn't it
of intermediate missiles or something?
Wolfowitz: That's right. Which turned out to be, I wouldn't say prophetic,
but it was prescient. It was completely borne out by what came subsequently,
but it was again -- I don't know whether people caricature it in order to
discredit it, or they caricature it because they don't understand it. Or
maybe some of both.
But the way I would put it in terms of the '92 document and briefings is
that, you have to remember, the Cold War had ended. There were a lot of
people who said we don't need any of these Cold War alliances any more. We
don't need NATO any more. Then President Bush was asked why do you need NATO
now that the threat's gone away? He said the threat's still there. They said
what is it? He said the threat's uncertainty, and people sort of laughed at
that.
Well, it's not a bad description for what's happened in the Balkans in the
intervening period. And what we were basically arguing in that document is
that while we can manage with a substantially reduced U.S. defense force,
for a lot of people to retain 60 percent of it in those alliance
commitments, they somehow, I guess, thought we could go to complete
disarmament or something. I'm not sure what their model was.
In fact the New York Times specifically had this absurd line, I remember,
that we had abandoned 50 years of reliance on the doctrine of collective
security, I think. I'd have to go back and get the quote. But basically it's
as though for 50 years we'd been relying on the United Nations and this
document was going to undo it, as opposed to for 50 years we'd relied on
NATO and our alliances in Northeast Asia and this document was trying to
support them.
I remember at the time that a couple of Democratic senators -- It's easy to
recover them. You just go and look in Pat Buchanan's book -- sort of became
hysterical about this grand plan for continuing and maybe even expanding
American commitments. Because we did, in a sense one of the more radical
things in there was, if I can use an awful phrase, the adumbration of NATO
enlargement. We weren't quite so bold as to say it but we were hinting at
it. There was some discussion about, in a complementary document that was
also leaked, about whether the United States could honor a defense
commitment to Lithuania if we had one. This was considered wildly outrageous
and various Democratic senators attacked us.
Pat Buchanan's "Republic Not an Empire" book spends its first chapter
attacking the so-called Wolfowitz Memorandum.

Q: Right, I know that book.

Wolfowitz: And he laments the fact that these same Democratic senators who
were attacking--in his view, appropriately attacking--the Wolfowitz
Memorandum, had climbed on board the whole policy when it became Clinton's
policy in the mid 1990s. He's correct in saying that what was considered by
the New York Times to be such an outrageous document was U.S. consensus
foreign policy, but during the Clinton Administration, not in this
Administration. That is that these alliances needed to be retained, that
NATO could be enlarged successfully, that we could downsize our military but
we needed to retain a capability to deal with two major regional conflicts,
which, by the way, is something that needed revision by the time I got back
here. But it was the defense policy of the Clinton years, ironically.

Q: In fact John Louis Gaddis said that.

Wolfowitz: Who?

Q: John Louis Gaddis has said that, that if you look at Clinton's policy it
actually does come out of the '92 guidance to some extent.

Wolfowitz: Not to some extent. It's pretty much verbatim.

Q: But you're --

Wolfowitz: -- without acknowledgement.

Q: Except you have been skeptical about Clinton's, the sentimental
liberalism in his ideas, his approach to foreign policy, right?

Wolfowitz: Well, yes but let's remember that -- I think they made a serious
over-reach in Somalia when they went beyond just ending starvation and tried
to do nationbuilding. I think Haiti was a waste of American effort. I think,
as we've learned, the North Korea Framework Agreement was delusional. But on
two of the key things they did, namely Bosnia and Kosovo, Bob Dole supported
Clinton quite strongly and I would say courageously on Bosnia and I'm proud
to claim some credit in having advised --

Q: You did too.

Wolfowitz: I did too, but I also was there when Dole was being pushed by
some of his Republican colleagues to go after Clinton saying this would be a
catastrophe. I said no it won't be, and moreover, it's the right thing to
do.
If they had dropped the arms embargo on the Bosnians as they promised to do
when they came into office it might not have been necessary to still have
thousands of foreign troops in Bosnia. But by the time you got to it in 1995
it was the only alternative.
And similarly, on Kosovo, when Bush was deciding whether to support it or
not, I was strongly urging him to do so. When some Republicans tried to
undercut Clinton on Kosovo, it was Bush and McCain together who told them
don't do that. It's wrong.
So it's not that everything they did was wrong, but I think things like
Haiti and Somalia were over-reached and generally there was, I think, a
difficulty in distinguishing what was American interest from what were sort
of vaguely seen as international community preferences. But I'm not a
unilateralist by any means. In fact I don't think you can get much done in
this world if you do it alone.

Q: Do you think there was a reluctance on their part even to use the threat
of force? To make force an option in the way that it's now become -- I think
about North Korea, Syria and Iran, and actually --

Wolfowitz: And Iraq.

Q: And Iraq. When I think about it, these other three that have now been
brought up, being discussed, have actually been very kind of multinational
and diplomatic and yet it's partly the threat of force that seems to
strengthen the approach, doesn't it?

Wolfowitz: There's no question that in certain -- First of all, diplomacy
that it's just words is rarely going to get you much unless you're dealing
with people who basically share your values and your interests. I'm not
against, I mean sometimes it does help to just have a better understanding.
But if you're talking about trying to move people to something that they're
not inclined to do, then you've got to have leverage and one piece of
leverage is the ultimate threat of force. It's something you need to be very
careful about because, as Rumsfeld likes to say, don't cock unless you're
prepared to throw it.
By the way I think there was a tendency to cock it too often with Kosovo. If
you go back and look at the year and a half or so leading up to when we
finally did use force there were so many empty threats issued that Milosevic
clearly concluded, ultimately wrongly, that we weren't serious.
So I think yeah, I think the threat of force is one of the instruments of
diplomacy, but it's one that needs to be used carefully.
I'm going to have to break here for a few minutes and we'll try to get back
to you soon.

Q: Thanks so much. Goodbye.


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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:56:40 +0200
Subject: vanity fair - well known and named  - to all performances in the world (part 2)
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[Session Two, Saturday, May 10, 2003]

Wolfowitz: Hello.

Q: How are you doing?

Wolfowitz: Pretty good. How are you?

Q: Okay. I will try to make this painless. It reminds me of an interview I
read with Philip Ross once in the Times and he said what a day. First the
dentist, now a journalist. [Laughter]

Wolfowitz: The dentist was easy, so I hope you can stay below his threshold.
[Laughter]
You're kind of faint.

Q: I was telling Kevin, I have a headset and I type as we speak, which is
one reason I'll want to see the transcript just so I don't make errors. I'm
reliable, but I'm not a letter-perfect typist and I won't always be able to
keep up with you.
Can you hear me okay now?

Wolfowitz: Pretty well. It's okay.

Q: This is a feature magazine and people want to know a little about you so
let me just lead you through a few questions there.
One is, where were you on September 11th? Were you at the Pentagon when --

Wolfowitz: I was in my office. We'd just had a breakfast with some
congressmen in which one of the subjects had been missile defense. And we
commented to them that based on what Rumsfeld and I had both seen and worked
on the Ballistic Missile Threat Commission, that we were probably in for
some nasty surprises over the next ten years.

Q: Oh, my gosh.

Wolfowitz: I can't remember, then there was the sort of question of what
kind of nasty surprises? I don't remember exactly which ones we came up
with. The point was more just that it's in the nature of surprise that you
can't predict what it's going to be.

Q: Do you remember then the impact of the plane into the Pentagon? Or had
you first heard stories about New York? What was --

Wolfowitz: We were having a meeting in my office. Someone said a plane had
hit the World Trade Center. Then we turned on the television and we started
seeing the shots of the second plane hitting, and this is the way I remember
it. It's a little fuzzy.

Q: Right.

Wolfowitz: There didn't seem to be much to do about it immediately and we
went on with whatever the meeting was. Then the whole building shook. I have
to confess my first reaction was an earthquake. I didn't put the two things
together in my mind. Rumsfeld did instantly.

Q: Did he really?

Wolfowitz: Yeah. He went charging out and down to the site where the plane
had hit, which is what I would have done if I'd had my wits about me, which
may or may not have been a smart thing to do. But it was, instead the next
thing we heard was that there'd been a bomb and the building had to be
evacuated. Everyone started streaming out of the building in a quite orderly
way. Congregated on the parade ground basically right in front of the
Pentagon which would have been about the worst place to have a crowd of a
couple of thousand people in that moment if we'd again had our wits about
us. But we were out of the building anyway.

Q: Let me ask you then about the next couple of days. There is --

Wolfowitz: Just to complete it. We went back into the building and that was
an experience I won't ever forget. There was a huge fire, there was smoke
gradually filling -- not all, just the small number of us who were basically
in the command group. Rumsfeld was there and General Myers who was still the
Vice Chairman at that point. The Chairman was on his way back from overseas
and I was there. We were in the National Military Command Center and there
was this acrid smoke gradually seeping into the place. Rumsfeld simply
refused to leave. He finally made me leave, which I was not happy about.
I went up to this bizarre location that was prepared to survive nuclear war.

Q: Really?

Wolfowitz: Yes.

Q: In the Pentagon.

Wolfowitz: No, no. Way out of town.
Kellems: That's why he left, was to separate them.

Q: I see.
Kellems: To provide continuity.

Q: And then in the next few days, then there was the statement which now
looks remarkably [prescient] when you said this is a campaign. At that
point, I think it was the 13th, at that point was Iraq sort of moving into
the scope, under the radar screen? What was your thinking at that point?

Wolfowitz: I know my thinking at that point was that the old approach to
terrorism was not acceptable any longer. The old approach being you treat it
as a law enforcement problem rather than a national security problem. You
pursue terrorists after they've done things and bring them to justice, and
to the extent states are perhaps involved, you retaliate against them but
you don't really expect to get them out of the business of supporting
terrorism completely.
To me what September 11th meant was that we just couldn't live with
terrorism any longer.
Throughout the '80s and '90s it was sort of, I've never found quite the
right words because necessary evil doesn't describe it, but a sort of an
evil that you could manage but you couldn't eliminate. And I think what
September 11th to me said was this is just the beginning of what these
bastards can do if they start getting access to so-called modern weapons,
and that it's not something you can live with any longer. So there needs to
be a campaign, a strategy, a long-term effort, to root out these networks
and to get governments out of the business of supporting them. But that
wasn't something that was going to happen overnight.

Q: Right. So Iraq naturally came to the top of the list because of its
history and the weapons of mass terror and all the rest, is that right?

Wolfowitz: Yes, plus the fact which seems to go unremarked in most places,
that Saddam Hussein was the only international figure other than Osama bin
Laden who praised the attacks of September 11th.

Q: So now there is the much-reported, I just want to make sure I get it
right, famous meeting at --
It's been reported in a couple of different ways, and I'd like to get it in
your words if I can, the famous meetings that first weekend in Camp David
where the question of Iraq came up. I believe the President heard you
discussing Iraq and asked you to elaborate on it or speak more about it. Can
you give us a little sense of what that was like?

Wolfowitz: Yeah. There was a long discussion during the day about what place
if any Iraq should have in a counterterrorist strategy. On the surface of
the debate it at least appeared to be about not whether but when. There
seemed to be a kind of agreement that yes it should be, but the disagreement
was whether it should be in the immediate response or whether you should
concentrate simply on Afghanistan first.
There was a sort of undertow in that discussion I think that was, the real
issue was whether Iraq should be part of the strategy at all and whether we
should have this large strategic objective which is getting governments out
of the business of supporting terrorism, or whether we should simply go
after bin Laden and al Qaeda.
To the extent it was a debate about tactics and timing, the President
clearly came down on the side of Afghanistan first. To the extent it was a
debate about strategy and what the larger goal was, it is at least clear
with 20/20 hindsight that the President came down on the side of the larger
goal.

Q: Believe it or not, because this is a feature magazine, I'd like to ask
you a little bit about your background. None of this is going to be
personal. I know that you protect the privacy of your family so this has
really nothing to do with that.
First of all, the question of ideas. That is, is there anything at all, we
talked about this a little off the record, is there anything at all to the
Straussian Connection?

Wolfowitz: It's a product of fevered minds who seem incapable of
understanding that September 11th changed a lot of things and changed the
way we need to approach the world. Since they refused to confront that, they
looked for some kind of conspiracy theory to explain it.
I mean I took two terrific courses from Leo Strauss as a graduate student.
One was on Montesquieu's spirit of the laws, which did help me understand
our Constitution better. And one was on Plato's laws. The idea that this has

anything to do with U.S. foreign policy is just laughable.

Q: There is something kind of humorous in it because a few weeks ago all we
heard was he's been the kind of cowboy, rampaging around the globe looking
for evildoers. And now he seems to be in the vehicle of erudite philosophy.
This is very helpful.

Wolfowitz: It sort of calls to mind the joke about the President and the
Pope are on a boat, and the Pope's hat blows off. The President says, no,
I'll get it for you and walks across the top of the waves, picks up the hat
and walks back across the top of the waves, hands the hat to the Pope and
the next day the headlines are, "President Bush can't swim." [Laughter]
Q: Let me ask about one other [inaudible], and that's Albert Wohlstetter. A
couple of people, believe me, who are not [inaudible] at all, say that
Wohlstetter was a far-sighted military strategist whose notions have been
about low yield nuclear weapons that we're hearing about today, and
different ways of fighting wars. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing,
zero sum, no mutually assured destruction. Are there any notions like that
on where the military is today or how you look at --
Wolfowitz: Wohlstetter is a much more relevant figure and it's interesting
too, by the way, that the same fellow who, or one of the same fellows who
discovered the Straussian Conspiracy kind of throws Wohlstetter in as a
Straussian when Wohlstetter was actually philosophically a student of Quine.

Q: The analytical --

Wolfowitz: Exactly. If there was anything anathema to Leo Strauss it was
analytical philosophy.

Q: I bet.

Wolfowitz: And Wohlstetter was somebody who really just almost painfully
resisted being labeled even as to political party. He was so insistent on
ascertaining the facts. He had a very fact-based approach to policy. It's
very impressive. And indeed, I was his student and often identified as such,
and it occasionally troubled me just a little bit that I thought, well,
maybe he was also associated with these sort of cold-blooded systems
analysts who kind of seemed to leave the moral piece of politics and
strategy as though it wasn't part of the equation.
It was terrifically gratifying to me as I got to know him better, to realize
that there were intensely moral considerations in the way he approached
these issues. Most dramatically in his deep concern about the fate of Bosnia
in his late years.
But to come back to sort of more concretely, I mean here's something that I
think is quite important, quite relevant. Albert Wohlstetter was one of the
first people, most influential people, to understand what a dramatic
difference it would make to have accurate weapons. And that in particular
what he was really interested in was the ability, two things. Number one, to
be able to use conventional weapons in ways that people, that only nuclear
weapons could be used, to be able to get out of the nuclear mindset kind of
things.
But secondly and importantly, to be able to avoid unnecessary loss of
innocent life in war. And in fact there's a fairly seminal document that was
done under Fred Ikle when he was Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
called Discriminate Deterrence which may be interesting to know if you can
find it on the internet. As I recall, even at the time, the State Department
didn't like it because for some reason or other it offended some of our
allies.

Q: Was that when you were working --

Wolfowitz: No, no. I was actually doing East Asia policy at the time. I
can't claim any credit for it.

Q: This was in the '80s then.

Wolfowitz: Yes, mid '80s. '84 or '86, I don't remember which.
But going back much earlier, Albert, starting in '73 or '74 put together
something called the New Alternative Workshop or New Alternative Panel. I
think it was Workshop. To look at the implications of new technology. But
the ones that interested him the most were the ones that promised great
improvements in accuracy. And as a result he was the first intellectual
figure to recognize that the Tomahawk cruise missile which was being
developed by the Navy primarily as a nuclear delivery system, was much more
significant as a conventional delivery system because it could give you very
accurate weapons with ranges of what we have now, 600 miles or more.
If it hadn't been for Albert, I believe the Tomahawk cruise missile would
have been traded away in the SALT II talks in 1976. But what happened -- am
I getting into too much historical detail?

Q: No, this is fascinating.

Wolfowitz: What happened was the Ford Administration at the time was trying
very hard to get a SALT II agreement based on the agreement in principle
that emerged in Vladivostok. The Soviets were basically saying they would
only make an agreement if we banned all cruise missiles at ranges greater
than 600 kilometers which would have included the Tomahawk. The Navy,
frankly, was quite happy to give it up because they'd only built it in some
measure at Kissinger's urging earlier on, when Kissinger wanted some nuclear
delivery system he could use as bargaining material in the SALT talks and as
far as they were concerned, it was just an unnecessary burden to be carried
by attack submarines that had only limited torpedo space.
It was Albert and his group who said wait a minute, if you can have a
conventional delivery system it's worth the torpedo space, I mean an
accurate conventional delivery system, and the way I understood the history
but I'm sure there are slightly different versions of this, he and I
persuaded Fred Ikle who was then the Director of ACDA that we should oppose
giving up the tomahawk on arms control grounds because it had the potential
to substitute conventional for nuclear weapons and that was a good thing
from the point of view of arms control.
The Secretary of Defense at the time who was somebody named Rumsfeld, by
whatever means he came to it, concluded it was not something he wanted to
give up even if the Navy brass were prepared to. As a result it was not sort
of used as a bargaining chip in those negotiations, although I think absent
those two individuals it probably would have been.
So it was a matter of considerable personal satisfaction to watch those
missiles turning right angle corners in the Gulf War in 1991 and
demonstrating that this stuff really could do what Albert Wohlstetter had
envisioned 15 years before it might be able to do.
It's also an interesting case I think, without wanting to suggest that
there's anything unintelligent about the military, it's too easy to
misinterpret this comment. I mean there are very smart people trying very
hard to do the right thing, but what's involved here is a tradeoff between a
very expensive system that might some day be accurate, against things that
are available here and now and that are much cheaper, and they may not be
accurate but they seem to "do the job".
It's been true also of things like global positioning systems and the JDAM,
the accurate GPS bombs that were used so heavily in the last war. The last
two wars. It took a certain amount of pressure from the Congress to get the
Air Force and the other services to invest adequately in those systems
because a certain skepticism about the promise of briefing charts versus the
reality of the here and now, and I think it was -- It's somewhat, I'm going
way too far off on this. But if you wanted to understand Albert Wohlstetter
you've got to understand how somebody can perceive that a seemingly cold
technical fact like this fact about accuracy translates into a whole
transformation of strategy and politics.
That had a similar impact in the 1950s when he was asked to look at, by the
Air Force, at what's the most cost-effective way to base our bomber force
and came out of that with the observation which is like a blinding flash of
the obvious but no one had noticed it before then, that the real issue isn't
what's cost effective, the real issue is how do you build a bomber force
that's not vulnerable to a first strike by the other side?

Q: That was seminal.

Wolfowitz: Absolutely seminal. And it derived not from reading Plato,
believe me. Nor did it derive from any ideological prejudices whatsoever. It
derived from saying here's the problem, look at it factually, see what the
questions are that emerged from the thing itself so to speak -- inductive
rather than deductive -- and I suppose that's the difference between
ideological thinking and pragmatic thinking.

Q: Is that true for your own approach as well?

Wolfowitz: Well, it turns out he was a mixture and I think I'm a mixture.
People ask me how do you characterize yourself. I guess the closest I can
come to saying it is I think I'm a practical idealist. I mean I don't like
the caricature Wilsonian view that says we're going to impose something on
the world regardless of whether it can take in the real world. But I also
don't like the sort of, the kind of pragmatism -- I consider myself
pragmatic but I don't like the kind of pragmatism that sort of stares at
people who hold principles very strongly and think that it's all just a
matter of doing business and being sensible.

Q: Which leads me to the last couple of questions --

Wolfowitz: I remember once when the President in the middle of a discussion
about a particular country said just how brutal are its leaders. I thought
it was an incredibly perceptive question and it's too often left out of the
equation as a sort of pragmatic view that you've got to deal with them as
the leaders of country X and you shouldn't inquire too deeply into what kind
of people they are. I think you do have to deal with all kinds of dubious
characters in the world in order to accomplish the national security
objectives of the country.
But it's really important to keep in mind what this country is about. It's a
lot more than just physical security or economic health.

Q: Does that also raise a question then if you're looking at leader who
truly is brutal, [inaudible], raising that question, and also maybe someone
who doesn't necessarily think the way you do. I know Wohlstetter had this
phrase, I think he called it Western preferred Soviet strategy.

Wolfowitz: Exactly. It's probably the second greatest source of intelligence
error is mirror imaging. I mean I think the greatest mistake is assuming
that people will behave, well it's a version of mirror imaging, I guess.
People will be rational according to our definition of what is rational.

Q: Right.

Wolfowitz: I guess they really are the same thing.

Q: I'm sorry. What's the first one?

Wolfowitz: The first one is that people will, the kind of mistake that in a
sense I think we made implicitly in assuming that anyone who was intelligent
enough to fly an airplane wouldn't commit suicide with it. Or the mistake
that Saddam Hussein made of thinking that -- Let me back up. I guess I'm
getting --
The mistake that Saddam made was in assuming that we would behave in a
certain way, i.e. we would never go to war until we'd had six weeks of
bombing first. That's a sort of classic intelligence failure, to have a
certain expectation and then see all the evidence in light of that
expectation.
Hitler made the same mistake in assuming that of course we'd attack in
Calais, so we achieved one of history's great deceptions by reinforcing that
conviction of his. But the sort of second and related source is mirror
imaging. Those are not examples of mirror imaging. In fact Saddam was
assuming that we were too weak to go in on the ground, unlike his tough
macho approach to life. But mirror imaging I think is another major source
of error.
What was that phrase, U.S. preferred Soviet --

Q: I think it's Western preferred Soviet strategy, which is kind of an
ingeniously [compressed] phrase.

Wolfowitz: That's typical Albert, yeah.

Q: And of course that was part of his approach to the Cold War as well. And
also the sort of standard, now we are getting off the track but it is
interesting, that the sort of standard arms negotiation which entails that
we should sort of remove options from our side of the table actually kind of
limited our ability to have choices and to maybe even win the Cold War,
right?

Wolfowitz: I think that's right, but I'd rather you not put those words --

Q: No, I wouldn't put them in your mouth.

Wolfowitz: It's too complicated a subject to --

Q: I was just curious to see what you had to say about that.

Wolfowitz: I think if one dug into it that's not a bad characterization.

Q: Then, and this is about as personal as I'm going to get, your father was
at distinguished mathematician. You studied math and I think chemistry at
Cornell. Were you interested in politics all along? I know you were in
Washington I believe in '63 when Dr. King made his great speech.

Wolfowitz: '64 I think it was.

Q: I think it was '63, but --

Wolfowitz: Whichever year it was, the "I have a dream" speech.

Q: Right. And you were there. You were interested in politics and also
questions of social justice and democracy? How did all this happen for
someone who was kind of a science guy?
Wolfowitz: I think my father deserves a large part of the blame or whatever
it is. It's a funny thing because he really did think that the ultimate
thing in life was to be a mathematician or a theoretical physicist. There's
a certain snobbery about mathematicians and theoretical physics, in some
ways a branch of mathematics almost that is well known among scientists at
least.
I was good at math but I kept feeling it was too abstract and I thought
maybe if I could work on a cure for cancer I'd be more fully satisfied which
is why I sort of headed into the chemistry major. I was actually accepted
for a PhD at MIT which I was going to do in biophysical chemistry, but I had
also, I think unbeknownst to my father. I don't remember now, applied to -- 
I'm not saying it was -- There's no deep, dark secret here. I had applied to
Chicago for political science. And what I remember is the decisive moment
was when I had to decide with respect to Harvard, was I going to apply for
government or chemistry. And I finally came out realizing that I wanted to
do government, applied to Harvard in government, and told my father and all
my chemistry professors that I had looked at the MIT catalog and I had
already completed the first two years of graduate course requirements in
chemistry so I could afford to take a year and experiment with political
science.
They all saw through it and they basically said you don't understand son,
the real stars have already completed three years of graduate course work in
chemistry. That wasn't really the point. The point was they knew I was -- If
you're serious about hard science you don't go off and experiment for a year
with something as soft as political science.

Q: You applied to Harvard as well?

Wolfowitz: Yeah.

Q: You were admitted everywhere?

Wolfowitz: Yeah. They just loved having mathematicians, it was sort of
funny.
But to go back to why -- He was one of these scientists, and there are
many, -- I don't know whether it's many. I think largely because of the
experience of World War II and also because -- Well, he read the New York
Times every day as though the future of the world depended on his reading
the New York Times. And he had an absolutely passionate interest in politics
and history, read a lot of history, knew a lot of history, and I can't help
thinking that's where I got the bug from at a fairly young age.
I remember when I was in high school, ninth grade, I'd been looking for Alan
Paton's "Cry the Beloved Country" in English, and we arrived on what was
going to be a long three or four months in Europe, arrived in France and
there it was in French on a book stand. I'd had one year of high school
French and not a very good year at that. But I picked it up and I sort of
struggled my way through it with a dictionary. And it was partly because I
wanted to learn French, but it's also because that sort of, I don't know if
you know "Cry the Beloved Country" --

Q: Oh, yeah, I know the novel. It's a tremendous important novel in that
era, late '50s, early '60s.

Wolfowitz: It really was, and it was sort of gripping from a political,
moral point of view. Those are the kinds of things I tended to read a lot
of. George Orwell. Books about the Holocaust unfortunately. John Hersey's
Hiroshima.

Q: Did you look at --

Wolfowitz: I did not -- See, this was my big recognition my senior year in
college was that when I had spare time I read politics and history and when
my fellow math majors had spare time they did extra math problems. I
realized there was a message there.
To be really good at something you need to do more than just do well in your
coursework. You need to be consumed by it.

Q: And just to get this straight, the Allen Bloom connection. You've now
entered literary history because a Nobel Laureate has fictionalized,
referenced you at least.

Wolfowitz: It's half of one paragraph, which again -- [Laughter]

Q: Well, it's irresistible for journalists. Because there he is, the great
American novelist and you are a very important figure and you're in his
novel, and if it [inaudible], it's hard not to use --

Wolfowitz: By the way, that conversation never happened. That particular
one.

Q: It didn't make sense. He was fabricating then.

Wolfowitz: He was sort of -- He wasn't fabricating the fact that Bloom loved
to talk to any students of his who were in government, and even though I
wasn't his closest student I was probably one at the highest level in
government so it gave him the most bragging rights. And I'm sure that every
time we had a conversation, judging from the way Bellow describes it and I
would have expected it. He sort of -- He had a way of seeing everyone as
larger than life. Almost everyone he dealt with was a figure from a platonic
dialogue almost. In a way it's -- The way of looking at the world that was
eye-opening in a certain sense, maybe the story -- [Laughter] Anyway, I'm
sure that whatever things were exchanged were exaggerated.
The thing I was grateful to Bellow for was noting very clearly that nobody
would ever have told Bloom anything that was classified because he couldn't
be trusted with a secret.

Q: That's right. He was very clear about that. He said in fact that
[inaudible] doesn't tell him anything that you don't want to appear in
tomorrow's press. [Laughter]
Did you take several courses with Bloom?

Wolfowitz: I actually only took one course with Bloom but he was a resident
faculty member of the place where I was living.

Q: That was Teluride?

Wolfowitz: Yeah.

Q: And is it true that, Bellow actually had I think, [inaudible] faculty
actually warning your father against Bloom. Is that something [inaudible] at
that point?

Wolfowitz: I think it's a composite of various Bloom students. I don't
think -- Certainly the way it's put there is not my father, and my father
was not a business professor. In fact my father was actually one of the
leading figures in mathematical statistics and, even though Bloom didn't
have a clue as to what the whole subject was, he knew that my father was
something much more than a, however it's described in there.

Q: Right.

Wolfowitz: In fact I remember he was in some awe of my father because he
would do his work pacing the large quadrangle of the Arts and Sciences
College at Cornell, lost in pure thought, without a pencil or paper, and
working, and I think it's a fairly rare phenomenon --

Q: This is your father who did that?

Wolfowitz: Yeah.

Q: He would think it through --

Wolfowitz: He would be thinking about math problems in his head. On the one
hand Bloom was somewhat disdainful of hard science in general because it
left out the philosophical dimension, but on the other hand I think he was
in some awe of, he believed in the life of the mind and theory and all of
that, that somebody could actually be thinking through fundamental questions
simply in his head.

Q: This is great.

Wolfowitz: So it's a kind of a mixture. When I read that particular
paragraph I could have --

Wolfowitz: -- that I had never sort of really seen before. I mean there was
a bravery about the guy which included his facing death the way he did I
think that's pretty remarkable. I mean I'm not saying I didn't see it
before, but I saw it more clearly.
There's an uglier side that I don't want to get into here, but it is sort of
glossed over.

Q: It's fair to say you're not a disciple of Allen Bloom. We can say that.
You studied with him.

Wolfowitz: And I didn't even study a great deal with him. He had a lot to do
with my coming to appreciate that the study of politics could be a serious
business even though it wasn't science in the sense that I understood
science to be. That was an important eye-opener. But I never, for better and
for worse, took the political theory either way most of his other students
did.

Q: Did he know Wohlstetter? Bloom had studied with Strauss at Chicago and --

Wolfowitz: No, it was kind of an interesting accident. In trying to choose
between Harvard and Chicago, Harvard seemed to have the advantages of a much
stronger international relations department and Chicago had the advantage of
a much stronger political theory department. Even though I thought
international relations was what I wanted to do, I have more confidence in
my ability to sort of learn that without a lot of help, and I thought -- I
mean Strauss really is quite a remarkable figure. That doesn't make me an
acolyte but he really is pretty remarkable. I thought well here's a chance
you shouldn't pass up.

Q: So you knew who he was.

Wolfowitz: Yes, I certainly knew who he was. And one of my professors at
Cornell said, and by the way there's this guy Albert Wohlstetter who's just
moving to Chicago from Rand and you and he would probably get along very
well. I'd never heard of the man, if that tells you something about how
unconnected I was to the field. This was 1965.
I arrive in Chicago. The first student/faculty tea I'm introduced to
Wohlstetter and he said, "Oh, are you related to Jack Wolfowitz?" I said as
a matter of fact that's my father. He said I studied mathematics with him
and Abraham Wald at Columbia. Then he said, what's your --

Q: They were collaborators, weren't they? Your father and Wald?

Wolfowitz: Yeah. My father was Walds' student and then his principal
collaborator until Wald died in an airplane accident in India at too young
an age.
But then when Albert discovered I was a math major he immediately glommed
onto me. I was his dream of -- His approach to issues was very technical and
very technologically oriented and I was the perfect student.
By the way, Alan Greenspan also was a student of my father's. He says that
my father had a fundamental influence on his understanding of what was then
the brand new field of econometrics.

Q: Right, so this is at Cornell?

Wolfowitz: No, that was at Columbia. That was 1949-1950.

Q: I see. When did he go to Cornell?

Wolfowitz: -- my father, I shouldn't do that.

Q: We're supposed to brag about our fathers.
When did you all go to Ithaca?

Wolfowitz: The first move there was the fall of '51--'52, and then my father
immediately had a sabbatical -- no, '52--'53 we moved to Ithaca. Then he
immediately had a sabbatical and '53--'54 we spent half in Los Angeles and
half in Urbana, Illinois. I still remember, the reason I see the
announcement of Stalin's death in 1954 was the street I lived on in Urbana,
Illinois at the time.

Q: You'd been living in Manhattan before that?

Wolfowitz: Manhattan. I was born in Brooklyn but we grew up in Manhattan,
one block down on Morningside Drive in a house that no longer exists. One
block down from the President of Columbia who for part of that time was
Dwight Eisenhower. My sister tells me that she remembers seeing Eisenhower
go to his car as we were roller-skating on that block, but it didn't make
any impression on me. I was probably three or four.

Q: This is all very helpful.
This is sort of the two very small, well, they're big questions but I don't
expect you to give me extended answers to the questions of the day. One is
there is some question as to whether the Pentagon underestimated Iran's
readiness to intervene in Iraq and whether that upset the plans at all, the
post-war plans.

Wolfowitz: That's nonsense.

Q: Okay. That had been reported.

Wolfowitz: There's so much that's reported that -- No. In fact it's, I don't
want to comment [inaudible] government. We've understood very clearly that
Iraq, especially the Shia population of Iraq, is both a source of danger and
opportunity to the Iranians. I think it's more danger than it is
opportunity. But the danger itself is incentive for them to try to intervene
because the last thing they want to see, which I think is a real
possibility, is an independent source of authority for the Shia religion
emerging in a country that is democratic and pro-Western.

Q: That's a --

Wolfowitz: There's going to be a huge struggle for the soul of Iraqi Shiism,
there's no question about it.

Q: What about the notion that the military campaign went so quickly and so
brilliantly that you did not have everything else as much as you might have
in place for this later era, later period [inaudible]?

Wolfowitz: It certainly has gone quickly. People that remember when you want
to take your story, I mean we're, 50 days after the war began people
started -- Having been wrong about the first quagmire saying we were in a
quagmire in terms of the restoration of the civil services in Iraq or
dealing with any number of other obvious problems. To me what's remarkable
is how much was accomplished in 50 days.
Things are not going to happen overnight. The notion -- I mean policy, like
life, is fundamentally about choices and the notion that we should have
chosen to delay until we had a huge force and go more slowly and deal with
all the problems that would have come from going slowly so that we would
have had enough people, for example, to guard the museum in Baghdad is
frankly absurd. And it may well turn out, in fact, that the museum in
Baghdad was looted before the war even began, in which case no amount of
guarding would have done any good.
There are choices that had to be made and I don't think there's any question
that the fundamental speed of the operation, the remarkable speed of the
operation, played a role in preventing a number of the worst things that we
feared from happening. We'll never know exactly why the oilfields were not
destroyed. We did not have an environmental disaster resulting from huge
hydrogen sulfide fires in the north. We did not have attacks on Israel. We
did not have a fortress Baghdad. We did not have a civil war in northern
Iraq or a Turkish intervention in northern Iraq. We didn't have an Iranian
intervention to speak of in southern Iraq. We didn't have any Arab
governments collapse. Should I keep going?

Q: These were all possibilities you weighed, right?

Wolfowitz: Absolutely. And most of these were things that people warned were
absolutely certain to happen if we went to war. I think a few of them I
thought were exaggerated. The one that has always worried me the most was
the use of weapons of mass destruction. We still don't know why they weren't
used. That's something maybe we'll know more about one of these days, I
don't know.
But there seems to be very little doubt that everything came at the Iraqi
regime much faster than they expected it. That the war began sooner, that
the ground troops moved in faster, that they moved up north faster, that
they moved into Baghdad faster, and a lot of things happened before for that
matter some of the meddling neighbors could interfere, either.
One of our senior generals in a discussion of a related but different
subject made the observation that speed kills, as in it kills the enemy, and
that getting to an objective quickly is often the thing that's most
effective militarily. There's always usually a tradeoff between speed and
mass.

Q: And then the last question, you've been very patient and generous. That
is what's next? Where do we stand now in the campaign that you talked about
right after September 11th?

Wolfowitz: I think the two most important things next are the two most
obvious. One is getting post-Saddam Iraq right. Getting it right may take
years, but setting the conditions for getting it right in the next six
months. The next six months are going to be very important.
The other thing is trying to get some progress on the Israeli-Palestinian
issue. I do think we have a better atmosphere for working on it now than we
did before in all kinds of ways. Whether that's enough to make a difference
is not certain, but I will be happy to go back and dig up the things I said
a long time ago which is, while it undoubtedly was true that if we could
make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian issue we would provide a better set
of circumstances to deal with Saddam Hussein, but that it was equally true
the other way around that if we could deal with Saddam Hussein it would
provide a better set of circumstances for dealing with the Arab-Israeli
issue. That you had to move on both of them as best you could when you
could, but --
There are a lot of things that are different now, and one that has gone by
almost unnoticed--but it's huge--is that by complete mutual agreement
between the U.S. and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of
our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years
has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It's
been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin
Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called
crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting
that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other
positive things.
I don't want to speak in messianic terms. It's not going to change things
overnight, but it's a huge improvement.

Q: Was that one of the arguments that was raised early on by you and others
that Iraq actually does connect, not to connect the dots too much, but the
relationship between Saudi Arabia, our troops being there, and bin Laden's
rage about that, which he's built on so many years, also connects the World
Trade Center attacks, that there's a logic of motive or something like that?
Or does that read too much into --

Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for
reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we
settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of
mass destruction as the core reason, but -- hold on one second --
(Pause)

Kellems: Sam there may be some value in clarity on the point that it may
take years to get post-Saddam Iraq right. It can be easily misconstrued,
especially when it comes to --

Wolfowitz: -- there have always been three fundamental concerns. One is
weapons of mass destruction, the second is support for terrorism, the third
is the criminal treatment of the Iraqi people. Actually I guess you could
say there's a fourth overriding one which is the connection between the
first two. Sorry, hold on again.

Kellems: By the way, it's probably the longest uninterrupted phone
conversation I've witnessed, so --

Q: This is extraordinary.

Kellems: You had good timing.

Q: I'm really grateful.

Wolfowitz: To wrap it up.
The third one by itself, as I think I said earlier, is a reason to help the
Iraqis but it's not a reason to put American kids' lives at risk, certainly
not on the scale we did it. That second issue about links to terrorism is
the one about which there's the most disagreement within the bureaucracy,
even though I think everyone agrees that we killed 100 or so of an al Qaeda
group in northern Iraq in this recent go-around, that we've arrested that al
Qaeda guy in Baghdad who was connected to this guy Zarqawi whom Powell spoke
about in his UN presentation.

Q: So this notion then that the strategic question was really a part of the
equation, that you were looking at Saudi Arabia --

Wolfowitz: I was. It's one of the reasons why I took a very different view
of what the argument that removing Saddam Hussein would destabilize the
Middle East. I said on the record, I don't understand how people can really
believe that removing this huge source of instability is going to be a cause
of instability in the Middle East.
I understand what they're thinking about. I'm not blind to the uncertainties
of this situation, but they just seem to be blind to the instability that
that son of a bitch was causing. It's as though the fact that he was paying
$25,000 per terrorist family and issuing regular threats to most friendly
governments in the region and the long list of things was of no account and
the only thing to think about was that there might be some inter-communal
violence if he were removed.
The implication of a lot of the argumentation against acting -- the
implication was that the only way to have the stability that we need in Iraq
is to have a tyrant like Saddam keeping everybody in check -- I know no one
ever said it that way and if you pointed it out that way they'd say that's
not what I mean. But I believe that really is where the logic was leading.

Q: Which also makes you wonder about how much faith there is in spreading
democracy and all the rest among some of those who --

Wolfowitz: Probably not very much. There is no question that there's a lot
of instability that comes with democracy and it's the nature of the beast
that it's turbulent and uncertain.
The thing is, at a general level, I've encountered this argument from the
defenders of Asian autocracies of various kinds. Look how much better off
Singapore is than Indonesia, to pick a glaring contrast. And Indonesia's
really struggling with democracy. It sort of inherited democracy under the
worst possible conditions too, one might say. But the thing that -- I'd
actually say that a large part of Indonesia's problems come from the fact
that dictatorships are unstable in the one worst way which is with respect
to choosing the next regime. Democracy, one could say, has solved, not solve
perfectly, but they represent one of the best solutions to one of the most
fundamental instabilities in politics and that's how to replace one regime
with another. It's the only orderly way in the world for doing it other than
hereditary monarchy which doesn't seem to have much of a future.

Q: Thanks so much.

Wolfowitz: You're very welcome.

(...) 2/2.






From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Fri May 14 20:13:19 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:13:19 +0100
Subject: 'what if I was a Rat?'
Message-ID: <40A50C3F.30701@furtherfield.org>

Hi all,

This is a repost regarding a review that I wrote about on Furtherfield 
called 'what if I was a Rat?' by Ilona Huss Walin.

I originally posted it about 3 weeks ago but the link to the work was 
not functioning - the server was down at the time - it is back up now....

http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?From=Index&review_id=94

all the best

marc






From loy at myrealbox.com  Fri May 14 21:20:40 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:20:40 +0200
Subject: INVALID
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040514211914.01f60300@logosfoundation.org>


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 14 21:59:32 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:59:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405141959.i4EJxW377737@www.god-emil.dk>





>From: zeljko blace <zb at kein.org>


1. who the FUCK do you think you are talking to.
2. cutting a few corners - cut your self MOTHER FUCKER
3. placing the fascist MOTHER FUCKER Andreas Broeckmann in the same bio space as me may result
   in a supersocial revolution of his genome ... ditto for the other fascistic MOTHER FUCKERS mentioned 
   r a d i o q u a l i a, Brian Eno, ZKM's Jeffrey Shaw and Douglas I Reppeto.


>zeljko blace <zb at kein.org>

I spit on your pitiful existence - for the pleasure of it - fascist MOTHER FUCKER




>Dear NN,
>invite you individually

konsume more smiles - as all simply.superior art, eg. GOD, `NN` does not exist, needy MOTHER FUCKERS.

DG






>Dear NN,
>In the first week of June 2004 - Multimedia Institute (known through 
>it's MAMA club) will present small scale exhibition of artistic 
>software. This exhibition is cooperation with Andreas Broeckmann as a 
>part of the series of computer art exhibitions Multimedia Institute 
>organises annualy in collaboration with different international curators 
>(see short text bellow). This year with bad finnacial situation we are 
>cutting a few corrners and seting up an exhibition in slightly lower 
>scale. We would like to feature your work, but would not 
>be able to compensate you in finnacial means and can only offer in near 
>future to invite you individually to present your work in Zagreb and 
>send you publications made for exhibition + MAMA T-Shirt. 



>(co-curated with r a d i o q u a l i a again in the space of HDLU). As a 
>part of new.media.culture.week "CRITICAL UPGRADE" mi2 organised an 
>exhibition on Generative Art showing work of Brian Eno, ZKM's Jeffrey 
>Shaw and work of Douglas I Reppeto.
>
>To help us easily and present your work as best as possible please 
>answer these questions:
>
>    * What are technical requierements of the work:
>          o * prefered operating system (including info on version):
>          o * alternative system setup:
>          o * needed exstensions (like dependeny on quicktime or java -
>            version):
>          o * minimum hardware requierments:
>          o * prefered display resolution:
>          o * access to network (please list optimum and minimum
>            bandwith needed):
>    * can you provide us with most recent binary executable of your work
>      (sending url is enough) just for duration of exhibition?
>    * would you be interested in providing this binary or some other
>      version for distribution as Free/openSource software or Freeware
>      or Shareware or Commercial Demo?
>    * can you provide us with a link or text to a review of your work by
>      third party that you find well written and correct description
>      and/or critique?
>    * if your work is to be presented in small catalogue - which
>      picture/graphics would you like us to use?
>    * please send as an URL or short bio text that we can include in our
>      publication.
>
>for all additional info please send email to Zeljko.Blace at mi2.hr 
><mailto:Zeljko.Blace at mi2.hr>
>
>Best wishes on behalf of Multimedia Institute in Zagreb, CROATIA Zeljko 
>Blace












From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 14 22:01:40 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:01:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405142001.i4EK1eT77751@www.god-emil.dk>





>am looking for jail furniture 
>
>a whole jail for sale
>http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66405&item=4301254257&rd=1

perfekt. nn - simply devious







From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 14 22:55:27 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:55:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405142055.i4EKtRL77830@www.god-emil.dk>



>as all simply.superior art, eg. GOD, `NN` does not exist, needy MOTHER FUCKERS.

"America is the enemy of God," fighters shouted.

mhhm - how true + true. OCCIDENT IS THE ENEMY OF FAIRY TALES.
reality show MOTHER FUCKERS










From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 14 23:57:00 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:57:00 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] 
In-Reply-To: <200405141959.i4EJxW377737@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405141959.i4EJxW377737@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040514234442.01fa7ec0@pop.free.fr>

At 21:59 14/05/2004, you wrote:
>mentioned
>    r a d i o q u a l i a, Brian Eno, ZKM's Jeffrey Shaw and Douglas I 
> Reppeto.

I agree Brian Eno is specially overrated and a tired reference
still, he's less of a dimwit than DJ "Monsieur Paul" Spooky

f. 




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 15 09:40:40 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:40:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405150740.i4F7eek81168@www.god-emil.dk>



>At 21:59 14/05/2004, you wrote:
>>mentioned
>>    r a d i o q u a l i a, Brian Eno, ZKM's Jeffrey Shaw and Douglas I 
>> Reppeto.
>
>I agree Brian Eno is specially overrated and a tired reference
>still, he's less of a dimwit than DJ "Monsieur Paul" Spooky

mmm. DJ "DUMB FUCK" Spooky



Paul D. Miller, another 2 bit jankee prostitute


>Yeah. 

Suck it & see.
Salute me.


>Most drugs come out of either military or biological or 
>pharmaceutical research. 

+ that they are digested by the Amerikan Public Education System
reveals the dynamics of modern art




>They're like military applications to 
>condition troops for different environments. A lot of research into 
>painkillers was done in World War II -- imagine the kind of pain you 
>feel when there are bullets flying over your head and your leg gets 
>shattered. 


Dearest Paul, 

Friendly caress on your m9nd konta!nr

Since the United Snakes of Amerika Public Education System is 
simply.laughable + inferior to the Eastern European Education System 
allow me to share select biological phenomena which "WHITEY" didn't teach you
[you may care to contemplate why]. In doing so I hope
to minimize the progress Ameri.cans such as your itchy bitchy self
bring to international shores.

I read you listen [an extra friendly caress on your m9nd konta!nr]

When "bullets flying over your head and your leg gets shattered"
one does not feel pain but fear. This, because nature more
creative than Americans is and ensures one does not
consciously concern oneself with pain until one is out of danger.
[elucidates my simply.delicious comportment towards American refuse worldwide aussi]

Thus, during  "bullets flying over your head and your leg gets shattered"
naturally occurring opiate blockers are released which ensure one
feels just dandy ...

A bit as Paul D. Miller, aka simply.amicable 40 year old black boy,
is protected by the 40 year old NETTIME white boys [sucking the itchy bitchy
with great ardor], from my equally amicable caresses.



>pax 

pax americana - jumbo sized opiate blocker





>Yeah. 

Merciful natural analgesic.

Should the very cute but ignorant social butterfly
desire playing with real boys ... let's synchronize our powerbooks
Real boys play for power.











-

To: "Paul D. Miller" <djspooky at djspooky.com>
Subject: E very ideology is contrary to human psychology        Re: allo zk

>yawn - 

Good Morning Paul



>not exactly sure what this is about... 

http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/00.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/02.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/02.gif.hTmL
http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b96c99/zekuensz/04.gif.hTmL


E very ideology is contrary to human psychology 
P aul


>but this kind of 
>message is boring.

Women can be boring [NN included]
but generally speaking, their lives are more interesting than that of nations. 
This we deduce from the countless scaffolds and altars erected by miserable men
on a day of revelation




>Paul

Some endure to this day.


>yawn - 

Good Morning Paul

Let us celebrate reason together. Are you ready to fall
Good. The free mind readily accepts what is necessary.

Democracy is a form of Christianity sans superior justification.
As Nietzsche indicated: he who has liberated his mind still has to purify himself.

The mechanized hordes you call to blind v iolence -
and it they call their strength. They have the authority
but refuse to sign THEIR name. As a result of this cycle,
race after race has metamorphosed into a special blundering
for power for mediocre men. Duty, a biology for domestic use 
is the only divinity. 

This is what is unforgivable in you.
You are free.



>>  >the elections are just around the corner.
>>  >
>>  >Do you really want a war?
>>  >
>>  >Do you really like Bush Jr.?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Do you really want a f*cked up world indebted to oil?
>>  >
>>  >yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
>>  >least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
>>  >one way or another...
>>  >Paul


Soft caress

because great are the ends which are abolished and articulate is the system which freed 
you Paul

et aussi - http://www.m9ndfukc.com/b5c98/zekuensz/3.gif.hTmL




one thing is - Damocles never danced better than beneath the sword









>============================================================================
>"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe 
>they are free...."
>Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>
>
>Port:status>OPEN
>wildstyle 
>
>Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid




                       and another is - free for what






Lucian  [who dreams of lies  
                                (bkz freedom != !mportant. hap!nesz != !mportnt. ____... ur turn









>>"Paul D. Miller" <djspooky at djspooky.com>
>>
>>
>>  >Just a reminder...
>>
>>f!k artworld spook! boog! bullsh*t profan!t! 2 b!t mar!oneta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >>yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
>>  >>least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
>>  >>one way or another...
>>
>>b!t l!ke ur !tch! b!tch! zkratch! znatch!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >Paul
>>
>>  perfa mar!oneta 4 dze 2 b!t jankee pedagog!e
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >Do you really want
>>
>>on a prakt!kl lvl m! konzt!tut!v komponentz = uant ur !tch! b!tch! 
>>zkr!tch! znatch!
>>komponentz on a float tangenta
>>
>>Just a reminder...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  >f!ck artworld "new agey" bullsh*t and actually do
>>  >something...
>>  >
>>  >the elections are just around the corner.
>>  >
>>  >Do you really want a war?
>>  >
>>  >Do you really like Bush Jr.?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Do you really want a f*cked up world indebted to oil?
>>  >
>>  >yes, the voiting system is f*cked up, but the basic thing is to at
>>  >least try - it's not alot of time, and it does have an impact.... in
>>  >one way or another...
>>  >Paul
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >ps, below is one reminder why you should vote....
>>
>>
>>
>>!tch! b!tch! zkr!tch! z!!!!!!k jankeez
>>
>>du b!zt ez
>
>
>
>============================================================================
>"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe 
>they are free...."
>Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>
>
>Port:status>OPEN
>wildstyle access: www.djspooky.com
>
>Paul D. Miller a.k.a. Dj Spooky that Subliminal Kid







>befor i kick in you head

letz dr!v mizter yanki kr!ket






ue.ll z uho !z uear!ng dze trouzerz
















good ztr!kez l!ke dze thundrbolt
[!n zerv!sz ov v!rtue b!enzur

+ a b!t ov ultra v!olensz
= l!ghtz up juzt!sz
l!ke a flash ov hap!nesz

z - dze ztarz = sh!n!ng br!!!!!!!!!!ghhhhht


[bkz ! = !n dze mood

phpz !.ll tear out dze!r tonguez
+ dze! u!l konfusz !t u!th plzr

bkz ! refer 2 m! zelv
az abztrakt prov!densz

+ ! m dze reuard ov m! oun re!gn
u!th no reuard but h!ztor! + dze prezent

bkz ! d!zl!ke pouer - uat an apal!ng !dea
+ ! m kruel + u!cked

+ !f ! rezort 2 pure reazon !t = 2 z!lensz m! zelv
+ ! m !n dze mood

! hav a zoz!al kontrakt
! kanot akzept dz!ngz az dze! r
bkz ! m !n a mood feroc!ouz
+ ! uant dzm brokn + !mposzd upon
b! dze lau ov konkrete klar!t!

fa!th !z not enough
a pol!sz forsz !z needed az uel

! uant ur m!zer! 2 flour!sh
az a god

!m tak!ng u uear u uant 2 b

l!ke a balloon ov heaven empt!

and I u!l b ur truth
I shl kreate u 4rom dze ordr ov dz!ngz

u shl b good

and u shl obe! m!


4 I m u

+ u shl dr!nk m! 2 dze  

lazt














From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 15 09:43:02 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 09:43:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405150743.i4F7h2f81172@www.god-emil.dk>


>From: "-*_.+*-" <jlinds at artic.edu>
>User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Macintosh/20040208)
>X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: integer at www.god-emil.dk
>Subject: Re: [syndicate]
>References: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974 at www.god-emil.dk>
>In-Reply-To: <200405122324.i4CNOUe73974 at www.god-emil.dk>
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>integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:
>
>>very simply put - United Snakes of America citizens are MOTHER FUCKERS
>>  
>>
>and it is racism and ignorance like this which led American troops to 
>film themselves torturing people


mda. resume having a FUCKING seat jankee MOTHER FUCKER






>From: Diana McCarty <diana at vifu.de>
>Subject: Re: [syndicate] \\ 01 faze ov m! breez! perzonal!t!

>Is the 01 faze racist? 

zkrrrr aaaaaa mmhhhhhhhhhhh

1x c!nematograf!k u!tch
!z l!k!ng m! forepauz


>If I read this, 

blood zta!nd pearl! beachez azez dze !r!tant


>only that come through 

dezp!t dze zml ov m!lk


>and 

daun ov zal!va flouerz



>I read you. 

u muzt bathe !n zl!ghtl! kolord ac!dz !nzted



>Dissappointing somehow.. less than breez!

zm!lz. u _knou ! l!v 2 plz uhorez


>diana

l!ke u




dze kutl f!sh t t throuz out an o!l! zubztansz + dze zea changez klr

m! velvet pauz r full ov koper shav!ngz beze!g!ng dze brouz ov klerkz 

\
\


>Is the 01 faze racist? 

01nz 8th zalt z!mpoz!um kondenzat haz adornd mult! tut! raz!al pa!nt!ngz uorld u!de 
kare 2 z - dze!r e!ez r moztl! klozd tzo dze! uont gl!mpz ur t!me ve!ld e!ez

lv makez uz !nv!z!bl + zekz!zt [+ age!zt + kont!nouz + z!mpl!.!nzenz!t!v 2 an! pa!n

krrrruel + u!kedl! orange laughtr





\\ zeat beltz - faztn dzm. ! dr!v m a d llllllllllllllll!!!!!





!n dz!sz !ndez!rafarbl lab!r!nth 4 dze 01 readr u!ch kontrad!ktz dze t!tl
dze !dea ov juzt!sz !z dze !luz!on ov progresz











From fmadre at free.fr  Sat May 15 13:03:10 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:03:10 +0200
Subject: Metal art workshop
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040515130040.01e250d8@pop.free.fr>

from croatia
http://vrbanus.com/beetle.htm

f.




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 15 16:01:33 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 16:01:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405151401.i4FE1X381571@www.god-emil.dk>



"I'm not scared," said Ahmed Ali, who sells Turkish lace from a shop in the shrine district. 
"In Iraq, we are addicted to war."


simply.seksi++







From margrz at zrc-sazu.si  Sat May 15 17:14:28 2004
From: margrz at zrc-sazu.si (Marina Grzinic)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:14:28 +0200
Subject: BOOK NEWS FROM LJUBLJANA: The Future of Computer Arts
Message-ID: <0c4001c43a8f$5134b6c0$1678fea9@mars>

The Future of Computer Arts
& The History of the International Festival of Computer Arts, Maribor

1995-2004

 

Edited by

Marina Grzinic

 

Published by 

MASKA, Ljubljana

MKC, Maribor 

2004

 

 

 

The Future of Computer Arts has been conceived as a theoretical-activist  dispositif that aims on one hand to reflect the 10th anniversary of the International Festival of Computer Arts, which began in 1995 in Maribor,  and on the other as a critical and political matrix of the state of affairs in computer arts, new media and new information/communication technology. It aims to be a foundation reader in this field. The book consists of three parts.  It opens as a  spatio-temporal dispositif of thinking, working and acting with, through, and beyond the field of new media and new information/ communication technology, toward the esthetical, political and social. The first part of the book clearly shows that there exist several histories of technology, numerous strategies for developing communities, open sources and exchange modes, where  knowledge can be used for political and strategic options. 

 

In the second part of the book hundreds of names and projects, artists and groups, fake names and world renowned stars from the new technological milieu are presented. In past years the Festival developed archives more similar to unstable zones of facts, data and moves. 

 

The third part describes, analyzes and documents one of the most important strategic points of the International Festival of Computers Arts, being not just a space of representation, but a space of  active exchange,  research and connections between students, professors, educational and research institutions. In such a manner, the book closes with the opening of possible future   international collaborations between different educational institutions and new generations of students.   

 

Marina Grzinic

 

THE FUTURE OF COMPUTER ARTS

(CONTENTS)

 

PART ONE: TECHNOLOGY BETWEEN ACTIVISM, THEORY, LIFE, KNOWLEDGE AND LABOR

 

Konrad Becker: Culture, Conflict and Control in the Infosphere 


0100101110101101.ORG: Nikeplatz: Guerrilla marketing or collective hallucination?

 

Sefik Seki Tatlic: Dispersion of the Virtual into the New Democracy
Or Fake Articulations of the Public Sphere

 

Armin Medosch: Not Just Another Wireless Utopia: Developing the social protocols of free networking

 

Janez Strehovec: From Work of Art to Artistic Service

Marina Grzinic: Global capitalism and the genetic paradigm of culture 

Mojca Puncer: Allegories of Angelic Bodies
 
 
Rosa Reitsamer: Black Culture - White Nature
 

Ralo Mayer and Philipp Haupt: Gothenburg N.B.

STELARC: Prosthetic head: intelligence, awareness and agency

Interview with the Prosthetic Head  by Stelarc

 

PART  TWO: HISTORY OF THE MARIBOR INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL OF COMPUTER ARTS  1995 - 2003

PART THREE: EXCHANGE, RESEARCH AND CONNECTIONS BETWEEN STUDENTS, PROFESSORS AND EDUCATIONAL-RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS

1. Ljubljana: Fine Arts Academy at IFCA (1998 - 2004)

 

2. Maribor: Department of Fine Arts, Faculty of Education, University of Maribor

 

3. Vienna: Conceptual (Art) Practices at the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna
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From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 16 06:13:57 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 00:13:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: heh happy days
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405160013480.23733@panix3.panix.com>



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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 16 07:29:44 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 07:29:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405160529.i4G5Tip82941@www.god-emil.dk>




http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040516/D82JDKF00.html



2 funny









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May 17 00:41:05 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 00:41:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405162241.i4GMf5C83887@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,354601,00.jpg
well .. you probably recognize Rumsfeld

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,353792,00.jpg
and that's Tarantino at the moment at the Cannes film festival (he's 
in the jury)












From noemata at kunst.no  Mon May 17 06:51:15 2004
From: noemata at kunst.no (noemata)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 06:51:15 +0200
Subject: g.9
Message-ID: <200405170451.i4H4pFpo027736@kunst.no>






Begynnelsen blir då vitkig. Noko personleg, tolkning jfr,
oddmund v.




http://noemata.net/germinal/sdlfhgkj/th_199-17-3=manoal.jpg 4k





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From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 17 08:57:39 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 02:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: regedit p.-lestinic 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405170257320.12715@panix3.panix.com>




regedit p.-lestinic


isr.-el the is isr.-el theoretic.-lly is .--.d theoretic.-lly
pr.-ctic.-lly .--.d psychotic, pr.-ctic.-lly u-.fit psychotic, to u-.fit
rem.-i-. to i-. rem.-i-. the i-. commu-.ity the of commu-.ity -..-tio-.s.
of over -..-tio-.s. .- over h.-lf-ce-.tury .- co-.st.--.t of w.-rf.-re
co-.st.--.t h.-s w.-rf.-re do-.e h.-s jews of .-g.-i-.. i-. arabs the .-re
arabs little .-re better little .-fter better psychotic h.-d w.-rf.-re.
psychotic tod.-y w.-rf.-re. .-zure tod.-y brought .-zure home brought
ti-.y .- i-.f.--.t ti-.y mouse i-.f.--.t th.-t mouse h.-d th.-t f.-lle-.
w.-ter from f.-lle-. its from -.est its we .--.d could-.'t we s.-ve
could-.'t it. s.-ve w.-rm it. milk w.-rm w.-ter .--.d i-.cre.-sed it
sufferi-.g. its there sufferi-.g. -.o is god. -.o drow-. to it drow-.
putti-.g it out true i-.te-.se of misery. i-.te-.se george misery. bush
george to-.y .--.d bl.-ir to-.y true psychotic believers. m.-rti-. i
believers. k-.ow i this k-.ow for this f.-ct. .- they f.-ct. gover-.. to
eve-. gover-.. m.-rti-. eve-. luther the ki-.g luther bill .--.d cli-.to-.
bill their h.-d we.-k their mome-.ts. we.-k liter.-l will gre.-se liter.-l
europe. of he.-rd i o-. it r.-dio. the my i-. bu-.ker my will i hide eyes.
/ hide so / pe.-ceful th.-t times pe.-ceful .-bide. times give will you
give gouged-out my eyes.  gouged-out -.o-holds the b.-r -.o-holds method
b.-r fighti-.g. of does fighti-.g. he.-d the spe.-k he.-d disloc.-tio-.
its body. the defe-.estr.-tio-. body. dec.-pit.-tio-.. / deleuze
dec.-pit.-tio-.. threw of himself threw before out -.ew the mille-.-.ium.
-.ew -.othi-.g mille-.-.ium. h.-ppe-.ed -.othi-.g -.ight the december of
thirty-first. december burst .- ple.-sure, of bullets, of joy. for f.-ct
.- d.-ughters the whores. .-re l.-ur.- f.-ct murdered h.-s her murdered
childre-.. her e.-te-. h.-s his e.-te-. me.--. i every i-. se-.se every
terms. the re.-di-.g de.-th. somethi-.g re.-di-.g by somethi-.g o-.e by
who o-.e close is de.-th. to isr.-el .--.d is pr.-ctic.-lly theoretic.-lly
psychotic, .--.d u-.fit pr.-ctic.-lly to psychotic, rem.-i-. u-.fit i-. to
the rem.-i-. isr.-el i-. is the theoretic.-lly commu-.ity .- of
h.-lf-ce-.tury -..-tio-.s. of over co-.st.--.t .- w.-rf.-re h.-lf-ce-.tury
h.-s co-.st.--.t the w.-rf.-re commu-.ity h.-s of do-.e -..-tio-.s. jews
arabs .-g.-i-.. little arabs .-fter .-re .- little h.-lf-ce-.tury better
of .-fter jews psychotic brought w.-rf.-re. home tod.-y .- .-zure ti-.y
brought i-.f.--.t home mouse ti-.y h.-d i-.f.--.t psychotic mouse
w.-rf.-re. th.-t tod.-y h.-d .-zure f.-lle-. we from could-.'t its s.-ve
-.est it. we milk could-.'t .--.d s.-ve w.-ter it. f.-lle-. w.-rm from
milk its w.-ter .--.d i-.cre.-sed god. sufferi-.g. h.-d there to -.o it
god. putti-.g drow-. sufferi-.g. it there putti-.g is out george i-.te-.se
.--.d misery. to-.y george bl.-ir bush .-re to-.y true bl.-ir out true
misery. believers. f.-ct. i they k-.ow .-re this u-.fit for to f.-ct.
eve-. they m.-rti-. gover-.. this eve-. for m.-rti-. .- luther h.-d ki-.g
their bill mome-.ts. cli-.to-. the their .-re we.-k the mome-.ts. luther
liter.-l o-. gre.-se the europe. i-. he.-rd bu-.ker o-. will r.-dio.
gre.-se my europe. bu-.ker i will it hide .-bide. / i so will pe.-ceful
you times my .-bide. gouged-out give / you so gouged-out pe.-ceful eyes.
times -.o-holds does b.-r the method he.-d fighti-.g. .-fter does there
he.-d the spe.-k -.o-holds disloc.-tio-. from body. defe-.estr.-tio-.
defe-.estr.-tio-. / dec.-pit.-tio-.. deleuze deleuze its threw the himself
-.ew before -.othi-.g -.ew the mille-.-.ium. -.ight -.othi-.g of
h.-ppe-.ed threw -.ight out december of thirty-first. ple.-sure, burst
burst ple.-sure, bullets, bullets, thirty-first. joy. of f.-ct i
d.-ughters for whores. .- l.-ur.- for murdered th.-t her george childre-..
bush e.-te-. every his se-.se me.--. terms. every h.-s se-.se e.-te-.
terms. i re.-di-.g somethi-.g somethi-.g by by o-.e o-.e who who is close
to de.-th. re.-di-.g http://www.asondheim.org/endofempire.mov
http://www.asondheim.org/europe1915.mov http://www.asondheim.org/nova.mov
http://www.asondheim.org/lastempire.mov


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From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 16 20:16:24 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: The Principle of Double Traumatization
Message-ID: <40A777B8.26008.D06016@localhost>

In the period immediately following the September 11 tragedy, our 
organization (Raccoon Inc) received a lot of calls from our post-
Yugoslav constituencies, experiencing high levels of anxiety and 
anguish. Indeed, that first week following the attacks, New York 
looked a lot like Sarajevo looked after the market square massacre. 
So, they were afraid that the  war, that they hoped they escaped, 
followed them in their new safe haven. 
(http://balkansnet.org/nada.html)

Apparently, the same is now, following the erruption of the Abu 
Ghraib torture scandal, for the immigrants in the US, who were 
granted asylum here fleeing torture and abuse in their home 
countries: they feel terrified. Because, if Americans are behaving 
just as bad as their countrymen, how can they possibly feel safe 
here?

ivo
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These numbers might be ten times larger if we consider all of 
those/us who suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome as a result 
of domestic torture/rape/abuse.

The Minneapolis Center for Victims of Torture website, which includes
info about current human rights violations & calls for action, is at:
http://www.cvt.org/main.php

For more info about the NYU/Bellevue program, see:
http://www.survivorsoftorture.org/survivors/


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/15/nyregion/15torture.html?pagewanted=a
ll&position=

May 15, 2004
Once Tortured, Now Tormented by Photos
By NINA BERNSTEIN

The moment the television in his small Bronx apartment began to flash
pictures of naked prisoners and grinning guards, Jean Pierre Kamwa
switched it off and went to bed. But like many immigrants who sought
American asylum from torture, Mr. Kamwa, who fled Cameroon in 1999,
said the photographs unleashed a storm of fear and memory that would
not let him sleep.

In the dark, he said, he relived his days as a student activist in
Cameroon, when soldiers from the ruling party imposed martial law. 
Mr.
Kamwa, 34, was repeatedly detained without trial, threatened with
death, and tortured with beatings that damaged his body and seared 
his
mind. After settling in New York, he chose to help victims like
himself as a social service caseworker.

In daylight, he said, he found himself coping with a spike in
anguished calls from his caseload of refugees who had suffered 
similar
abuse at the hands of jailers - the weeping Bulgarian woman in
Brooklyn, the frightened Tibetan man in Queens. Many of them said the
images from Iraq awoke old traumas from distant penal systems, scars
that never healed and that flash easily into pain. For some, the Abu
Ghraib stories even ignited fears for their own safety from an
American government suddenly cast in a harsh new light.

"They don't feel secure anymore," Mr. Kamwa told doctors at the 
Bellevue/N.Y.U. Program for Survivors of Torture, where he himself 
was
treated. "They ask, 'Where to go, how can they be safe in the 
world?'"

There are an estimated 400,000 survivors of foreign torture living in
the United States, and those who work with survivors say about a
quarter of them live in the New York area. While others may debate 
the
fine points of interrogation and the reach of international law, 
these
survivors are now encountering a new dimension of fear, according to
doctors and counselors in the network of specialized torture 
treatment
centers across the country.

"There was a sense of horror and disbelief," said Dr. Allen S. 
Keller,
the director of the program at Bellevue Hospital Center, which 
treated
more than 600 people from 70 countries last year, and gets 5 to 10 
new
referrals a week. "These are individuals who came to this country
seeking safety. We owe it to the torture survivors living in our
country not to condone or practice it."

Rachel Tschida, a spokeswoman for the Center for the Victims of
Torture in Minneapolis, the first such center in the world when it
opened in 1985, said the assumptions of torture victims about America
have suddenly been thrown into question. "The overwhelming feeling,
frankly, is heartbreak," she said.

No city has a higher concentration of torture survivors than New 
York,
where Sept. 11, 2001, and its aftermath already undermined confidence
in the United States as a safe harbor in a violent world. Many, like
Mr. Kamwa, went through additional trauma during months in a 
detention
center near Kennedy Airport before winning political asylum.

But it has been much the same this week in Fridley, Minn., for 
Richard
Oketch, a 53-year-old public school teacher who said he suddenly 
found
his suburban house no refuge from fresh flashbacks to torture 
chambers
in Idi Amin's Uganda.

"It brought me back to where I was - the bodies on the floor, the
naked bodies," said Mr. Oketch, a former patient and current board
member of the torture victims center in Minneapolis. "It's difficult
to comprehend that that can be done by the United States, because it
represents the values that people are looking for - human rights,
safety, security. The first reaction is, it cannot be."

He has been awake until 4 a.m. night after night, he said, reading
stacks of his children's picture books to battle the tormenting 
images
from his past. But a single glance at his subscription copy of Time
magazine, which showed a sketch of a hooded prisoner on its cover,
sent him spiraling back to his own ordeal. Besides being hooded,
beaten and bayoneted, Mr. Oketch, whose family was prominent in
opposition to the Ugandan dictatorship, said he was forced to clean
away dead bodies and mop blood from torture rooms where others were
mutilated.

"I got lost," said Mr. Oketch, whose testimony before Congress in the
mid-1990's helped win passage of federal grants for torture treatment
centers like the one in Minneapolis he credits with winning back his
life. "I didn't expect it at all. It took me a few days to come back
and realize, maybe it's just like where I was, a few people involved,
it's not the entire United States."

The nation's 23 torture treatment centers received $10 million in
federal funds last year, and Congress has authorized - though not yet
appropriated - an increase to $25 million. Additional money goes to
the United Nations for similar centers it helps finance abroad. But
some veterans in the field are now haunted by the prospect that
survivors of torture at American hands could one day be among their
clients.

"You don't get a lot of second chances to build trust with this 
population," said Paul Stein, executive director of the Rocky 
Mountain
Survivors Center in Denver, where the Abu Ghraib revelations changed
the course of a women's support group on family issues, veering the
discussion into anguished accounts of violence and humiliation. "The
country that they trusted to offer them safety and to help explain
torture is now the country that is perpetrating torture."

Some reject that conclusion. "I don't feel like the standard of the
U.S. government has changed," said a Tibetan artist in New York who 
is
still awaiting a decision on his application for asylum and asked 
that
only his first name, Samten, be published.

Yes, he said through a translator, he had been deeply disturbed by 
the
picture of a pile of naked prisoners and an Iraqi on a leash. "I felt
sorry for them," he said. "I was shocked. I never thought prisoners 
of
war would be treated like that."

But then he decided it was the work of a few and tried to put it out
of his mind, he said, holding out his hands to reveal scarred and
pocked palms. Chinese soldiers burned them in an oven, he explained;
doctors at Bellevue, America's oldest public hospital, saved them 
with
surgery.

The scars still burn sometimes, Samten said. The nightmares still
come. "But I am making art again," he said. "And I still believe in
America."

So do some whose faith takes different tack. In a French-speaking
group therapy session run by Hawthorne E. Smith, co-director of
clinical services at the Bellevue program, several West African men
voiced the hope that the full truth will come out in the United 
States
in ways that it never could in their own lands.

Many doctors who treat torture victims have warned for months that 
the
United States was dangerously disregarding the hard-won international
conventions against torture. They were distressed, they said, that
government officials have asserted that interrogation techniques like
"water boarding" - immersing a detainee in water and making him
believe he is going to drown - stops short of torture.

"Make no mistake, that's torture," Dr. Keller said, recalling the
patient from the Ivory Coast who had suffered just such treatment at
the hands of a military faction. Years later, just taking a shower or
being caught in the rain, he would panic and gasp for breath.

Sitting beside him, Mr. Kamwa, an alumnus of the program, closed his
eyes as though in pain, and rubbed the furrows on his brow. "My skin
crawls when I just talk about it," he said softly in French.

"I come here to have a safe place, to be out of these tortures," Mr.
Kamwa said. "But it is still in my heart in America to speak for 
human
rights."


Caption for accompanying illustration (not attached):
Jean Pierre Kamwa, center, with Hawthorne E. Smith, left, and Dr.
Allen S. Keller, who run a New York program for torture victims.
(Marilynn K. Yee/The New York Times)

------- End of forwarded message -------------------------------------
---------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org




From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 16 21:19:15 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 15:19:15 -0400
Subject: following orders
Message-ID: <40A78673.14125.109EBE5@localhost>

Thinking about the Abu Ghraib fallout:

>>Asked by an immigration judge if he had participated in ethnic 
cleansing, Konstantinovic [a Serb in Florida facing deportation for 
participating in ethnic cleansing in the Balkans] said, ``Yes. I had 
to go and do the shooting. Your honor, I wasn't even looking. I 
wasn't looking where I was shooting. I had to shoot.''<<

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/7467176.htm?1c

They all just follow orders when it comes to facing responsibility 
and consequences for their actions, don't they? I wonder if their 
superiors ordered them to shoot themselves in their feet, would they 
do it, or are they following orders only when the OTHERS are at the 
harm's end...

ivo




From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 16 20:16:24 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: (Fwd) FYI: Tourists and Torturers (Luc Sante, in the NY Times)
Message-ID: <40A777B8.18761.D061C5@localhost>

this is true of any war anywhere - serbs, bosnians, croats, and 
albanians did the same to each other in the balkans - and there are 
trophy pictures on all sides. the less blody sexual humiliation 
employed by the US here is more rare, because it implies LIMITS - and 
therefore it is inconsistent with rogue acts of individual soldiers: 
such acts would not stop at just controlled abuse - controlled abuse 
means following orders, which I am convinced will, ultimately, bring 
Bush administration down.
ivo


------- Forwarded message follows -------
May 11, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Tourists and Torturers
By LUC SANTE

So now we think we know who took some of the photographs at Abu
Ghraib. The works attributed to Specialist Jeremy Sivits are fated to
remain among the indelible images of our time. They will have changed
the course of history; just how much we do not yet know. It is
arguable that without them, news of what happened within the walls of
that prison would never have emerged from the fog of classified
internal memos. We owe their circulation and perhaps their existence
to the popular technology of our day, to digital cameras and JPEG
files and e-mail. Photographs can now be disseminated as quickly and
widely as rumors. It's possible that even if Specialist Joseph M.
Darby hadn't gone to his superiors in January and "60 Minutes II"
hadn't broken the story last month, some of those pictures would
sooner or later have found their way onto the Web and so into the
public record.

Leaving aside the question of how anyone could have perpetrated the
horrors depicted in those pictures, you can't help but wonder why
American soldiers would incriminate themselves by posing next to 
their
handiwork. Americans don't seem to have a long tradition of that sort
of thing. I can't offhand recall having seen comparable images from
any recent wars, although before the digital era amateur photographs
were harder to spread. There have been many atrocity photographs over
the years, of course — the worst I've ever seen were taken in Algeria
in 1961, and once when I was a child another kid found and showed off
his father's cache of pictures from the Pacific Theater in World War
II, which shook me so badly that I can't remember with any certainty
what they depicted. I'm pretty sure, though, that they did not show
anyone grinning and making self-congratulatory gestures.

The pictures from Abu Ghraib are trophy shots. The American soldiers
included in them look exactly as if they were standing next to a
gutted buck or a 10-foot marlin. That incongruity is not the least
striking aspect of the pictures. The first shot I saw, of Specialist
Charles A. Graner and Pfc. Lynndie R. England flashing thumbs up
behind a pile of their naked victims, was so jarring that for a few
seconds I took it for a montage. When I registered what I was seeing,
I was reminded of something. There was something familiar about that
jaunty insouciance, that unabashed triumph at having inflicted misery
upon other humans. And then I remembered: the last time I had seen
that conjunction of elements was in photographs of lynchings.

In photographs that were taken and often printed as postcards in the
American heartland in the first four decades of the 20th century,
black men are shown hanging from trees or light fixtures or maybe
being burned alive, while below them white people are laughing and
pointing for the benefit of the camera. There are some pictures of
whites being lynched, too, but these tend not to feature the holiday
crowd. Often the spectators at lynchings of African-Americans are so
effusive in their mugging that they all seem to be vying for credit.
Before seeing such pictures you might expect the faces in them to
express some kind of collective rage; instead the mood is giddy, 
often
verging on hysterical, with a distinct sexual undercurrent.

Like the lynching crowds, the Americans at Abu Ghraib felt free to
parade their triumph and glee not because they were psychopaths but
because the thought of censure probably never crossed their minds. In
both cases a contagious collective frenzy perhaps overruled the
scruples of some people otherwise known for their gentleness and
sympathy — but isn't the abandonment of such scruples possible only 
if
the victims are considered less than human? After all, it is one 
thing
for a boxer to lift his hands over his head in triumph beside the
fallen body of his rival, quite another to strike a comparable pose
next to the bodies of strangers you have arranged in
quasi-pornographic tableaus. The Americans in the photographs are not
enacting hatred; hatred can coexist with respect, however strained.
What they display, instead, is contempt: their victims are merely
objects.

It is conceivable that such events might have occurred in a war in
which the enemy looked like us —certainly, there are Americans to 
whom
all foreigners are irredeemably Other. Still, it is striking how, in
wartime, a fundamental lack of respect for the enemy's body becomes 
an
issue only when the enemy is perceived as being of another race. You
might have heard about the strings of human ears collected by some
soldiers in Vietnam, or read the story, reported in Life during World
War II, about the G.I. who blithely mailed his girlfriend in Brooklyn
a Japanese skull as a Christmas present. And the concept of the human
trophy is not restricted to warfare, but permeates the history of
colonialism, from the Congo to Australia, Mexico to India. Treating
those we deem our equals as game animals, however, has been out of
fashion for quite a few centuries.

Of course the violence at Abu Ghraib was primarily psychological —
hey, only a few people were killed — and the trophies were pictorial,
like the results of a photo safari. Some commentators have made a
point of noting this very relative nonviolence, contrasting it with
the lynching of the four American military contractors in Falluja 
last
month. This line of argument is notable for what it leaves out: there
is a difference between the rage of a people who feel themselves
invaded and the contempt of a victorious nation for a civilian
population whom it has ostensibly liberated.

That prison guards would pose captives — primarily noncombatants,
low-level riffraff — in re-enactments of cable TV smut for the 
benefit
of their friends back home emerges from the mode of thinking that has
prevented an accounting of civilian deaths in Iraq since the 
beginning
of the war. If civilian deaths are not recorded, let alone published,
it must be because they do not matter, and if they do not matter it
must be because the Iraqis are beneath notice. And that must mean 
that
anything done to them is permissible, as long as it does not create
publicity that would embarrass the Bush administration. The possible
consequences of the Abu Ghraib archive are numerous, many of them
horrifying. Perhaps, though, the digital camera will haunt the future
career of George W. Bush the way the tape recorder sealed the fate of
Richard Nixon.

Luc Sante, who teaches creative writing and the history of 
photography
at Bard College, is the author of "Low Life," "Evidence" and "The
Factory of Facts."



_____________________________________________________

------- End of forwarded message -------




From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 16 20:16:25 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:16:25 -0400
Subject: well connected
Message-ID: <40A777B9.14682.D06586@localhost>

Former US Secretary of State Madeline Albright (today better known as 
"Albright Group") became the special adviser of the IPKO's president. 
IPKO (ipko.net) is the principal Internet service provider in Kosovo. 
Isn't that interesting? What exactly is her expertise in that area? 
This just suggests how everything in that region is still ruled by 
the byzantine needs of politics, instead of the logic of profit.

ivo
---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org




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From: loy at myrealbox.com (__lo-y. )
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:42:53 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: *The rulez of love*
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040517164116.01e30ec0@logosfoundation.org>


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From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 02:17:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405180017.i4I0Ho386325@www.god-emil.dk>



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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 18 05:26:46 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Cutting the Timber  
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405172326370.27468@panix3.panix.com>



Cutting the Timber

A man lay down across the threshold of the kitchen outside, head within.
He was to represent the saw. Two players now took hold of his feet
outside, while two others caught his head and shoulders in the kitchen.
They pulled against one another, forward and backwards, as if they were
sawing wood, until one pair proved too strong for the other.

- Irish Wake Amusements, Sean O Suilleabhain, Mercier, cork, 1967, p. 82.


_



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Tue May 18 06:09:22 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:09:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405180409.i4I49MC86572@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread49971/pg1









From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 18 08:09:36 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 02:09:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: neworld.png
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405180209270.7310@panix3.panix.com>



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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 18 08:16:59 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 02:16:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: neworld.png 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405180216480.7702@panix3.panix.com>



neworld.png

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worlds bracket the ocean.
new worlds bracket old oceans and new oceans.
the horizon bends crazily with the disorientation of the wounded.
troop ships sank quickly in the frigid waters.
the _bow_ of the ship _ploughs_ a _furrow_ through the waters.
no one is present in this landscape.
no one is looking.

http://www.asondheim.org/infinity.inf

it is so clean i am sure you will be very happy.

_



From eric.m at bobig.com  Tue May 18 16:00:58 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:00:58 +0200
Subject: wahwah
Message-ID: <40AA171A.1060101@bobig.com>

http://www.bobig.com/photoblog/archives/002083.html




From hub at x-arn.org  Tue May 18 16:45:00 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (hub at x-arn.org)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:45:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <1025.82.65.40.213.1084891500.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>

This is not a cloned object

This is not a cloned object
 
This is not a cloned object

From: "HUB" <hub at x-arn.org>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Reply-To: hub at x-arn.org
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This is not a cloned object


The first purpose of this work is to provide a simplified access to
artworks contained in the Rhizome Artbase. Using Artbase parameters such
as art object identifiers, the work focuses on anonymity wich can emerge
from the relatively large amount of artworks. Furthermore, it's an
illustration of the possible relations between interfaces and a database
as described by Lev Manovich : "The new media object consists of one or
more interfaces to a database of multimedia material. If only one
interface is constructed, the result will be similar to a traditional art
object; but this is an exception rather than the norm."
(http://time.arts.ucla.edu/AI_Society/manovich.html).


http://www.x-arn.org/rhizome/






hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub








From a.ludovico at neural.it  Tue May 18 17:26:23 2004
From: a.ludovico at neural.it (Alessandro Ludovico)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:26:23 +0200
Subject: PEAM (Pescara Electronic Artists Meeting) 2004
Message-ID: <p06002009bccfdb9b79f5@[151.38.214.43]>

Takes off, from Wednesday the 19th to Sunday the 
23rd of May, the Peam (Pescara Electronic Artists 
Meeting) second edition, organised by the 
collective artificialia, in collaboration with 
the Art Café Ecoteca and many other Italian and 
international realities. The meeting - 
sponsored by the city itself - is run thanks to 
the contribution of many other public and private 
institutes, enterprises and factories.

The event - which spirit is aggregative and 
non-competitive - will call around artists who 
deals with music, visual arts, dance, theatre, 
sculpture and everything which spins around 
electronics used as a mean of expression and 
communication. The Peam2004 starts up after a 
successful preview, the opening of the multimedia 
exhibition "Butterfly Effect" run in the Museo 
Laboratorio of Città Sant'Angelo curated by 
Francesca Colasante, and that will be kept 
running during the meeting.

There will be something like 100 artists from all 
over the world in a five days meeting which is 
open to any age people and will be enriched by 
exhibitions, installations, performances, 
concerts, sculptures, robotics, workshops, and so 
on. The all thing will be showm  in 5 different 
placet:   Ecoteca, , Theatre Gruppo4, the Museo 
Laboratorio and the Railway Central lighted up at 
the all along  the Peam2004.

The meeting, divided in 8 sections (electronic 
music, video art, software art and hacktivism, 
net art, web art, and the "extra", "butterfly 
effect" and "placard at peam2004" special projects) 
is followed by 10 curators and directed by Luigi 
Pagliarini. The curators are: Andrea Gabriele & 
Francesco Tenaglia (electronic music), Valentina 
Tanni (video art), Alessandro Ludovico (software 
art + hacktivism), Luigi Pagliarini (extra 
project), Lele Luchetti & Nilo Casares (net art), 
Gianluca Del Gobbo (web art), Francesca Colasante 
(communication project), Eric Namour (Placard).

As for its first edition, the Peam2004 proposes 
such  a friendly and easy-going atmosphere where 
the "distance" between artists and people reduced 
to nothing.

Among the many events, the Peam2004 will propose 
the opening of the auction for the personal 
computer of the uruguayan artist Brian Mackern 
(which starts from 4.000 euros), a world-wide 
preview.

More info:
http://www.artificialia.com/Peam2004
peam2004 at artificialia.com
-- 


Alessandro Ludovico
Neural.it - http://neural.it/ daily updated news + reviews
English.Neural.it - http://english.neural.it/
Neural printed magazine - http://neural.it/n/nultimoe.htm




From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Tue May 18 18:40:03 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:40:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: seeking a room to rent in Luxembourg july-september
Message-ID: <63099.81.57.4.127.1084898403.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

hi,
i write on behalf of a friend,
who's gonna stay in Luxembourg from
july 1st to september 30th, 2004,
for a EU translation course ;
she seeks a room to rent
(shared flat, €300 maxi,
the nearer of EU quarters the better)
anyone having a proposal
would be most welcome !!

please answer me @
astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net,
& i'll will transmit.
thanks a lot for your attention.

kisses
astrëe




From mi_ga at o-o.lt  Tue May 18 20:28:30 2004
From: mi_ga at o-o.lt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4?=)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:28:30 +0200
Subject: 
Message-ID: <40AA55CE.1060304@o-o.lt>

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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May 18 20:46:33 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:46:33 +0200
Subject: Negri with Ballestrini  to Battisti and on amnesty
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Finally, Toni Negri in the French newspaper "Liberation" today, in the
column "Bounces": on Battisti and Italian refugees in France, release in the
question of the general amnesty of leftists in Italy.

Negri is important in this actual question, because he was living in France
during any years (as he records it in the article) and then he was returning
by himself in Italy to finish his punishment as it was a question only of
six years more (but it is always too much).

On Battisti we have made a painstaking job and the public hour comes maybe?
Let us wish it or we would see bad in which Europe we would soon make a
commitment, otherwise in Europe beforehand questionable and infiltrated by
the intervention of the secret services of the synarchies and the
oligarchies intricated, based on redoubtable past of Nations and NATO and
influencing a disturbing predictive present of the disappearance of the
European diversity.

Quote of the French text before my translation as it is relative, coming
from an automatic engine for the fastest rforward here.

Regards

A.

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Easy translation ( please verify or correct it ) from the article
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827

" The intellectuals who make the apology of the State of Italian right(law)
today, who existed according to them in the 70s, are blind, ignorant or
cynical. "
Liberation, Bounces


To Forgive Battisti, among others, would free the country of its ghosts of
the seventies.
In Italy, a political amnesty which does not pass.

By Nanni BALLESTRINI and Toni NEGRI on Tuesday, May 18th, 2004
Nanni Balestrini poet and novelist and Toni Negri philosopher


        On June 30th, the French justice should pronounce on the possible
extradition of Cesare Battisti, political refugee in France since 1981 and
on the run of its own country for acts committed in the 70s. The decision
was sent back after a first audience of the chamber of instruction on April
7th, date which made, for a certain number of us, sad and painful memories
reappear.

April 7th, 7th, 2004, was indeed the 25th anniversary of the arrest of about
sixty intellectuals and workers by the judge Calogero, who was in the time -
and who is even today - the public prosecutor of the city of Padoue. These
workers and these intellectuals were all accused of having organized a vast
movement within factories and universities which pushed in the " uprising
armed against the State " (an offence introduced into the Italian penal code
during the fascism, punished by the life imprisonment, and which was never
overruled since), and in particular to represent the brain of a political
organization the official facade of which would have been named " Autonomia
operaia " ( labor autonomy ), and the secret structure of which would have
been that of the Red Brigades. They were besides accused without proofs of
being the people in charge of nineteen murders, and in particular that of
the president of the Christian Democracy, Aldo Moro. After seven years,
while the accused persons had waited in prison for a lawsuit which finally
took place, these charges were totally abandoned, and almost all those who
had been imprisoned on April 7th, 1979 in prisons of high security were set
again at liberty having been totally cleared: they had thus made seven years
of prison in extreme conditions but received neither excuses nor
compensation on behalf of the Italian State.

Both authors of this text were among those whom the judge Calogero accused:
the first one managed supernaturally to avoid the confinement and lived
seven years in France before being totally settled and daring to return in
Italy; the second underwent four and a half years of preventive confinement,
then was afterward elected representative, what allowed himto go out of
prison, and finally took refuge with France during fourteen years, protected
by the doctrine Mitterrand, before returning in Italy voluntarily in 1997 to
purge the last six years of prison which remained in him to make. It is in
the light of this experience that we allow, today, to speak about the
historic and legal problem which puts the extradition of Cesare Battisti.

We read the indignant letters of certain intellectuals, journalists and
Italian magistrates: unlike what assert numerous French intellectuals, these
write that Italy of the 70s did not live civil war, And what the State of
Italian right did not thus have to use of laws of exception. The arguments
which they use seem to us nevertheless often forgetful, not to say more
ridiculous. Thus let us restart this history which was - so - ours.

The 70s represented an at the same moment vast and deep collective
experiment thanks to which two generations tried to eradicate props -
nevertheless unchanging seemingly - of the Italian society of the post-war
years. It is on this movement that it meant imposing new reports in the
family, in the sexuality, in the work, in the education, in the creation, in
the politics... But, while in the other countries of Europe the wave
provoked by 1968 had been integered inside institutions thanks to reforms
certainly more or less effective but which always took into account
requirements of the new generations, in Italy, on the contrary, an opaque
and corrupt political class, been used since the 50s to repress in the blood
the labor and peasant fights, refused at once everything dialogue with a
student movement which did not besides stop developing, and was bound more
and more in an enormous labor mobilization. Instead of opening in the
reforms for which asked a modern country (let us remember that it is in
these same years when the rights for the divorce and for the abortion were
conquered - against the will of the government in load), they preferred to
repress and to stop the demonstrators; and the custom of firearms on behalf
of police forces provoked of numerous died. At the same time, Italy
underwent what we called " a terrorism of State ", that is of numerous
murderous attacks organized by certain fringes of secret services having
escaped any control and by extreme right-wing small groups: there were thus
explosions on trains, bombs in banks and during trade-union meetings, during
real acts of terror having for end to generalize the fear and to force the
country to withdraw on moderate positions. We said that it was a " strategy
of the tension ": to destabilize to re-stabilize - and the deaths counted by
hundreds. In answer to it, a part of the movement gradually slid towards the
armed struggle and committed political murders: officers and producers,
journalists, union activists, politicians, magistrates... The State then
adopted an outfit of special laws which did not correspond doubtless
formally to a real State of exception, but which nevertheless allowed the
arrest and the preventive confinement of thousand persons during years ( the
legal limit was fixed to twelve years ), the usage of the torture, the
summary lawsuits completely built on prisoners' word to which it had been
promised that the freedom in exchange for confessions and which would have
anything invented to go out of prison. The data are sadly clear: 36 000
orders, 6 000 condemned persons, one thousand persons taken refuge abroad;
and those who think that all this is not true have only to go to glance at
the reports of Amnesty International of these same years.

Now it is not a question of saying that the 70s were not violent years, nor
to make profession of angelism. But Italy of post-68, it was also the
attempts of putsch, the infiltration of the masonic lodge P2 in the high
spheres of the State and the civil society ( should we remind that numerous
elements of the political class of this time are the same who are
protagonists of the public life of the peninsula today? ), the Atlantic
military structure "Gladio" which had surrouunded in secret the centres of
the power, the enormous scandal "Lockheed" which had soiled not only several
Ministers of the government in responsibility but also the President of the
Republic itself, forcing him to the resignation...

A diffuse and deep corruption, thus, which eventually appeared in full light
at the beginning of the 90s, and which provoked, at least formally, the
disappearance of the big Italian parties: the history of Tangentopoli is
from this point of view only the consequence of decades of dysfunctions and
bribes, subversion and lie, drift and secrets.

The 70s were all this - and not only, as some people want it to persuade, a
metropolitan "jacquerie" in which a small number of delirious fanatics,
totally cut by the reality and manipulated by occult powers, put in danger a
peaceful, quiet and calm democracy.

The repression of the movement of the 70s lasted during years. The time
passed. Many politicians recovered a virginity. The actors of the lead years
purged for their part up to the end, and sometimes excessively, their
condemnation - in prison for the majority of them, in exile for the others -
and only ones those who did not live the exile can deny that it is also, in
spite of appearances, about an exemplary and cruel punishment.

It is not a question here of saying that we were innocent. It is simply a
question of reminding that the laws by virtue of which we were imprisoned -
and, for some, condemned - were not normal laws; and that every man,
whatever it is, is entitled to a just justice. It is on this point that the
doctrine Mitterrand based its thought. In the case of the settled,
certainly: all those who were cleared having undergone the years of prison,
having lost their work and sometimes their family, underwent a justice
tragically grotesque; but in the case of the condemned persons, the
injustice is not less monstrous there.

The case of Adriano Sofri, condemned for twenty two years of prison, twenty
five years after the facts which are blamed him - and although it continues
desperately to proclaim itself innocent-, is the most sad example. Sofri is
innocent, but he was condemned during a lawsuit-river dotted with
contradictory declarations), with ambiguous witnesses, with proofs which
disappear, of uncalled-for or replaced judges, hoarse and redone judgments.
We allow only to add to all this: if Sofri had been guilty - and it is not
him-, this parody of justice to which he was subjected, and about which the
historian Carlo Ginzburg said very exactly that it looked like a real
lawsuit of witchcraft, it would be less monstrous?

Thirty years passed. The men changed. They recovered with difficulty a life
when they were able to do it. But this history, the history of which we do
not still manage to make, is a wound. After thirty years, while nothing is
more similar to what existed then - neither the persons, nor the historic
situation - has it another sense to want to punish? Is not there legal
prescription when souls and bodies became other, and when all their
existence is the proof? Do not we risk to transform the justice - the one
who was cruelly so lacking to the time - in a vengeance?

A vengeance which made of the eye for eye its creed, but which does not work
in the same way for all. The massacres provoked by the strategy of the
tension lived, for the greater part, unpunished. In the daytime of the
arrest of Battisti, the Italian judiciary decided to refuse, after thirty
years of successive lawsuits, the charges which charged certain extreme
right-wing leaders and people in charge of the secret services of the attack
of the Bank of the agriculture of Milan, in 1969: a bomb had provoked a real
bloodbath. The people in charge can sleep soundly, they do not need an
amnesty, they are already pardoned.

But, for the extreme left, no amnesty. This page of the history will not be
turned, because it would mean exactly that we finally agreed to worry the
real history. The Italian left refuses to make an amnesty by fear that
Berlusconi and his friends take advantage of it. Berlusconi and his friends
do not need it, they are autoamnistiés for a long time.

The intellectuals who make the apology of the State of Italian right today,
who existed according to them in the 70s, are blind, ignorant or cynical.
The doctrine Mitterrand had no big claims. It simply registered a
non-functioning of the justice and the impossibility of the Italian
political class to give political answers to a movement of contesting pushed
bit by bit to the extremism by the choice of the repression. The doctrine
Mitterrand allowed dozens persons to abandon the infernal spiral of the
appeal to weapons and to choose another life, another route. It is on this
base that it was confirmed by the governments of cohabitation which
succeeded one another from 1986, to begin with that in the head of which was
Jacques Chirac, then Prime Minister. In narrow connection with Italian
Caritas, the Church of France has, too, always supported firmly the
commitment which had been taken.

There is a problem of the political amnesty today for lead years. Some
people believe that the forgiveness is a weakness. We think, on the
contrary, that only the forgiveness is the measure of a real political
force, because only the forgiveness can allow Italy today to release itself
from ghosts of the 70s.

But, in Italy, all this is doubtless still impossible, because he(it) reigns
an opaqueness there which does not allow the history(story) to be made,
unless, as today, the direct actors decide - indeed in spite of them,
because there is no other possible solution - to resume(to take back) the
word. Italy of the XXIth century tries(feels) towards the lead years the
difficulty that France towards Vichy or towards the war of Algeria had for a
long time. We ask today that, as in France, this history(story) is written,
so that it stops finally being the taboo of the memory and the forgiveness.



>From a Translation Italian to French by Judith Revel in Liberation
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827


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"Les intellectuels qui font aujourd'hui l'apologie de l'Etat de droit
italien, qui existait selon eux dans les années 70, sont aveugles, ignorants
ou cyniques."

Libération, 18 mai.
Rebonds
Pardonner à Battisti, entre autres, libérerait le pays de ses fantômes des
années soixante-dix.
En Italie, une amnistie politique qui ne passe pas

Par Nanni BALLESTRINI et Toni NEGRI
mardi 18 mai 2004
Par
Nanni Balestrini poète
et romancier
et
Toni Negri philosophe




Le 30 juin, la justice française devrait se prononcer sur l'éventuelle
extradition de Cesare Battisti, réfugié politique en France depuis 1981 et
en fuite de son propre pays pour des actes commis dans les années 70. La
décision a été renvoyée après une première audience de la chambre
d'instruction le 7 avril, date qui a fait resurgir pour un certain nombre
d'entre nous des souvenirs tristes et douloureux.

Le 7 avril 2004, a en effet été le 25e anniversaire de l'arrestation d'une
soixantaine d'intellectuels et d'ouvriers par le juge Calogero, qui était à
l'époque ­ et qui est encore aujourd'hui ­ le procureur de la République de
la ville de Padoue. Ces ouvriers et ces intellectuels étaient tous accusés
d'avoir organisé un vaste mouvement au sein des usines et des universités
qui poussait à l'«insurrection armée contre l'Etat» (un délit introduit dans
le code pénal italien pendant le fascisme, puni par la réclusion à
perpétuité, et qui n'a jamais été abrogé depuis), et en particulier de
représenter le cerveau d'une organisation politique dont la façade
officielle aurait été nommée «Autonomia operaia» (autonomie ouvrière), et
dont la structure clandestine aurait été celle des Brigades rouges. Ils
étaient en outre accusés sans preuves d'être les responsables de dix-neuf
assassinats, et en particulier de celui du président de la Démocratie
chrétienne, Aldo Moro. Après sept ans, alors que les accusés avaient attendu
en prison un procès qui eut finalement lieu, ces accusations ont été
totalement abandonnées, et presque tous ceux qui avaient été incarcérés le 7
avril 1979 dans des prisons de haute sécurité ont été remis en liberté après
avoir été totalement blanchis : ils avaient donc fait sept ans de prison
dans des conditions extrêmes mais n'ont reçu ni excuses ni dédommagement de
la part de l'Etat italien.

Les deux auteurs de ce texte ont été au nombre de ceux que le juge Calogero
accusait : le premier a réussi miraculeusement à éviter l'incarcération et a
vécu sept ans en France avant d'être totalement acquitté et d'oser rentrer
en Italie ; le second a subi quatre ans et demi d'incarcération préventive,
puis a été par la suite élu député, ce qui lui a permis de sortir de prison,
et s'est enfin réfugié en France pendant quatorze ans, protégé par la
doctrine Mitterrand, avant de rentrer en Italie volontairement en 1997 pour
purger les six dernières années de prison qui lui restaient à faire. C'est à
la lumière de cette expérience que nous nous permettons, aujourd'hui, de
prendre la parole à propos du problème historique et juridique que pose
l'extradition de Cesare Battisti.

Nous avons lu les lettres indignées de certains intellectuels, journalistes
et magistrats italiens : au contraire de ce qu'affirment de nombreux
intellectuels français, ceux-ci écrivent que l'Italie des années 70 n'a pas
vécu de guerre civile, et que l'Etat de droit italien n'a donc pas eu à
utiliser de lois d'exception. Les arguments qu'ils utilisent nous semblent
pourtant souvent oublieux, pour ne pas dire ubuesques. Repartons donc de
cette histoire qui a été ­aussi ­la nôtre.

Les années 70 ont représenté une expérience collective à la fois vaste et
profonde à la faveur de laquelle deux générations ont cherché à déraciner
les piliers ­ pourtant immuables en apparence ­de la société italienne de
l'après-guerre. C'est à ce mouvement qu'il est revenu d'imposer de nouveaux
rapports dans la famille, dans la sexualité, dans le travail, dans
l'enseignement, dans la création, dans la politique... Mais, alors que dans
d'autres pays d'Europe la vague provoquée par 1968 avait été réabsorbée à
l'intérieur des institutions grâce à des réformes certes plus ou moins
efficaces mais qui tenaient toujours compte des exigences des nouvelles
générations, en Italie, au contraire, une classe politique opaque et
corrompue, habituée depuis les années 50 à réprimer dans le sang les luttes
ouvrières et paysannes, a refusé d'emblée tout dialogue avec un mouvement
étudiant qui ne cessait par ailleurs de se développer, et se liait de plus
en plus à une énorme mobilisation ouvrière. Au lieu de s'ouvrir aux réformes
que demandait un pays moderne (souvenons-nous que c'est dans ces mêmes
années que les droits au divorce et à l'avortement ont été conquis ­ contre
la volonté du gouvernement en charge), on a préféré réprimer et arrêter les
manifestants ; et l'usage des armes à feu de la part des forces de police a
provoqué de nombreux morts. Parallèlement, l'Italie a subi ce que l'on a
appelé «un terrorisme d'Etat», c'est-à-dire de nombreux attentats meurtriers
organisés par certaines franges des services secrets ayant échappé à tout
contrôle et par des groupuscules d'extrême droite : il y a donc eu des
explosions sur des trains, des bombes dans des banques et lors de meetings
syndicaux, de véritables actes de terreur ayant pour finalité de généraliser
la peur et de contraindre le pays à se replier sur des positions modérées.
On a dit que c'était une «stratégie de la tension» : déstabiliser pour
restabiliser ­ et les morts se sont comptés par centaines. En réponse à
cela, une partie du mouvement a progressivement glissé vers la lutte armée
et a commis des assassinats politiques : entrepreneurs, journalistes,
syndicalistes, hommes politiques, magistrats... L'Etat a alors adopté une
panoplie de lois spéciales qui ne correspondaient sans doute pas
formellement à un véritable Etat d'exception, mais qui ont malgré tout
permis l'arrestation et l'incarcération préventive de milliers de personnes
pendant des années (la limite juridique en était fixée à douze ans), l'usage
de la torture, des procès sommaires entièrement construits sur la parole de
détenus auxquels il avait été promis la liberté en échange de confessions et
qui auraient inventé n'importe quoi pour sortir de prison. Les données sont
tristement claires : 36 000 arrêtés, 6 000 condamnés, un millier de
personnes réfugiées à l'étranger ; et ceux qui pensent que tout cela n'est
pas vrai n'ont qu'à aller jeter un coup d'oeil dans les rapports d'Amnesty
International de ces mêmes années.

Or il ne s'agit pas de dire que les années 70 ont été des années non
violentes, ni de faire profession d'angélisme. Mais l'Italie de l'après-68,
c'était aussi les tentatives de coup d'Etat, l'infiltration de la loge
maçonnique P2 dans les hautes sphères de l'Etat et de la société civile
(faut-il rappeler que de nombreux éléments de la classe politique de
l'époque sont les mêmes qui sont aujourd'hui protagonistes de la vie
publique de la péninsule ?), la structure militaire atlantique Gladio qui
avait clandestinement investi les centres du pouvoir, l'énorme scandale
Lockheed qui avait entaché non seulement plusieurs ministres du gouvernement
en charge mais aussi le président de la République lui-même, le contraignant
à la démission...

Une corruption diffuse et profonde, donc, qui a fini par émerger en pleine
lumière au début des années 90, et qui a provoqué, au moins formellement, la
disparition des grands partis italiens : l'histoire de Tangentopoli n'est de
ce point de vue que la conséquence de décennies de dysfonctionnements et de
pots-de-vin, de subversion et de mensonge, de dérives et de secrets.

Les années 70 ont été tout cela ­ et non pas seulement, comme certains
veulent le faire croire, une jacquerie métropolitaine dans laquelle un petit
nombre d'exaltés délirants, totalement coupés de la réalité et manipulés par
des pouvoirs occultes, ont mis en danger une démocratie pacifique,
tranquille et placide.

La répression du mouvement des années 70 a duré pendant des années. Le temps
a passé. Bien des hommes politiques se sont refait une virginité. Les
acteurs des années de plomb ont pour leur part purgé jusqu'au bout, et
parfois outre mesure, leur condamnation ­ en prison pour la majorité d'entre
eux, en exil pour d'autres ­ et seuls ceux qui n'ont pas vécu l'exil peuvent
nier qu'il s'agisse aussi, malgré les apparences, d'une peine exemplaire et
cruelle.

Il ne s'agit pas ici de dire que nous avons été innocents. Il s'agit
simplement de rappeler que les lois en vertu desquelles nous avons été
incarcérés ­ et, pour certains, condamnés ­ n'étaient pas des lois normales
; et que tout homme, quel qu'il soit, a droit à une justice juste. C'est sur
ce point que la doctrine Mitterrand a fondé sa pensée. Dans le cas des
acquittés, certes : tous ceux qui ont été blanchis après avoir subi des
années de prison, perdu leur travail et parfois leur famille, ont subi une
justice tragiquement grotesque ; mais dans le cas des condamnés, l'injustice
n'en est pas moins monstrueuse.

Le cas d'Adriano Sofri, condamné à vingt-deux ans de prison, vingt-cinq ans
après les faits qui lui sont reprochés ­ et bien qu'il continue
désespérément à se proclamer innocent ­, en est l'exemple le plus triste.
Sofri est innocent, mais il a été condamné lors d'un procès-fleuve constellé
de déclarations contradictoires, de témoins ambigus, de preuves qui
disparaissent, de juges déplacés ou remplacés, de jugements cassés et
refaits. Nous nous permettons seulement d'ajouter à tout cela : si Sofri
avait été coupable ­ et il ne l'est pas ­, cette parodie de justice à
laquelle il a été soumis, et dont l'historien Carlo Ginzburg a très
justement dit qu'elle ressemblait à un véritable procès de sorcellerie, en
serait-elle moins monstrueuse ?

Trente ans ont passé. Les hommes ont changé. Ils se sont refait
difficilement une vie quand ils l'ont pu. Mais cette histoire, dont on ne
réussit toujours pas à faire l'histoire, est une plaie. Après trente ans,
alors que rien n'est plus semblable à ce qui existait alors ­ ni les
personnes, ni la situation historique ­, cela a-t-il encore un sens de
vouloir punir ? N'y a-t-il pas de prescription juridique quand les âmes et
les corps sont devenus autres, et que toute leur existence en est la preuve
? Ne risque-t-on pas de transformer la justice ­ celle qui a fait si
cruellement défaut à l'époque ­ en une vengeance ?

Une vengeance qui a fait de l'oeil pour oeil son credo, mais qui ne
fonctionne pas de la même manière pour tous. Les massacres provoqués par la
stratégie de la tension sont demeurés, pour la plupart, impunis. Le jour de
l'arrestation de Battisti, la magistrature italienne a décidé de débouter,
après trente ans de procès successifs, les accusations qui inculpaient
certains leaders d'extrême droite et des responsables des services secrets
de l'attentat de la Banque de l'agriculture de Milan, en 1969 : une bombe
avait provoqué une véritable hécatombe. Les responsables peuvent dormir
tranquilles, ils n'ont pas besoin d'amnistie, ils sont déjà amnistiés.

Mais, pour l'extrême gauche, point d'amnistie. Cette page de l'histoire ne
sera pas tournée, parce que cela voudrait dire précisément qu'on a
finalement accepté d'en faire l'histoire véritable. La gauche italienne se
refuse à faire une amnistie par peur que Berlusconi et ses amis en
profitent. Berlusconi et ses amis n'en ont pas besoin, ils se sont
autoamnistiés depuis longtemps.

Les intellectuels qui font aujourd'hui l'apologie de l'Etat de droit
italien, qui existait selon eux dans les années 70, sont aveugles, ignorants
ou cyniques. La doctrine Mitterrand n'a pas eu de grandes prétentions. Elle
a simplement enregistré un non-fonctionnement de la justice et
l'impossibilité de la classe politique italienne à donner des réponses
politiques à un mouvement de contestation poussé peu à peu à l'extrémisme
par le choix de la répression. La doctrine Mitterrand a permis à des
dizaines de personnes d'abandonner la spirale infernale du recours aux armes
et de choisir une autre vie, un autre parcours. C'est sur cette base qu'elle
a été confirmée par les gouvernements de cohabitation qui se sont succédé à
partir de 1986, à commencer par celui à la tête duquel se trouvait Jacques
Chirac, alors Premier ministre. En liaison étroite avec la Caritas
italienne, l'Eglise de France a, elle aussi, toujours appuyé fermement
l'engagement qui avait été pris.

Il reste aujourd'hui le problème de l'amnistie politique pour les années de
plomb. Certains croient que le pardon est une faiblesse. Nous pensons, au
contraire, que seul le pardon est la mesure d'une force politique véritable,
parce que seul le pardon peut aujourd'hui permettre à l'Italie de se libérer
des fantômes des années 70.

Mais, en Italie, tout cela est sans doute encore impossible, parce qu'il y
règne une opacité qui ne permet pas à l'histoire de se faire, à moins que,
comme aujourd'hui, les acteurs directs ne se décident ­ bien malgré eux,
parce qu'il n'y a pas d'autre solution possible ­ à reprendre la parole.
L'Italie du XXIe siècle éprouve à l'égard des années de plomb la difficulté
qu'a eu longtemps la France à l'égard de Vichy ou de la guerre d'Algérie.
Nous demandons aujourd'hui que, comme en France, cette histoire soit écrite,
afin qu'elle cesse enfin d'être le tabou de la mémoire et du pardon.


Traduit de l'italien par Judith Revel

© Libération
  http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827


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From louise.desrenards at free.fr  Tue May 18 20:38:57 2004
From: louise.desrenards at free.fr (Louise Desrenards)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:38:57 +0200
Subject: Negri with Ballestrini  to Battisti and on amnesty
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Finally, Toni Negri in the French newspaper "Liberation" today, in the
column "Bounces": on Battisti and Italian refugees in France, release in the
question of the general amnesty of leftists in Italy.

Negri is important in this actual question, because he was living in France
during any years (as he records it in the article) and then he was returning
by himself in Italy to finish his punishment as it was a question only of
six years more (but it is always too much).

On Battisti we have made a painstaking job and the public hour comes maybe?
Let us wish it or we would see bad in which Europe we would soon make a
commitment, otherwise in Europe beforehand questionable and infiltrated by
the intervention of the secret services of the synarchies and the
oligarchies intricated, based on redoubtable past of Nations and NATO and
influencing a disturbing predictive present of the disappearance of the
European diversity.

Quote of the French text before my translation as it is relative, coming
from an automatic engine for the fastest rforward here.

Regards

A.

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Easy translation ( please verify or correct it ) from the article
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827

" The intellectuals who make the apology of the State of Italian right(law)
today, who existed according to them in the 70s, are blind, ignorant or
cynical. "
Liberation, Bounces


To Forgive Battisti, among others, would free the country of its ghosts of
the seventies.
In Italy, a political amnesty which does not pass.

By Nanni BALLESTRINI and Toni NEGRI on Tuesday, May 18th, 2004
Nanni Balestrini poet and novelist and Toni Negri philosopher


        On June 30th, the French justice should pronounce on the possible
extradition of Cesare Battisti, political refugee in France since 1981 and
on the run of its own country for acts committed in the 70s. The decision
was sent back after a first audience of the chamber of instruction on April
7th, date which made, for a certain number of us, sad and painful memories
reappear.

April 7th, 7th, 2004, was indeed the 25th anniversary of the arrest of about
sixty intellectuals and workers by the judge Calogero, who was in the time -
and who is even today - the public prosecutor of the city of Padoue. These
workers and these intellectuals were all accused of having organized a vast
movement within factories and universities which pushed in the " uprising
armed against the State " (an offence introduced into the Italian penal code
during the fascism, punished by the life imprisonment, and which was never
overruled since), and in particular to represent the brain of a political
organization the official facade of which would have been named " Autonomia
operaia " ( labor autonomy ), and the secret structure of which would have
been that of the Red Brigades. They were besides accused without proofs of
being the people in charge of nineteen murders, and in particular that of
the president of the Christian Democracy, Aldo Moro. After seven years,
while the accused persons had waited in prison for a lawsuit which finally
took place, these charges were totally abandoned, and almost all those who
had been imprisoned on April 7th, 1979 in prisons of high security were set
again at liberty having been totally cleared: they had thus made seven years
of prison in extreme conditions but received neither excuses nor
compensation on behalf of the Italian State.

Both authors of this text were among those whom the judge Calogero accused:
the first one managed supernaturally to avoid the confinement and lived
seven years in France before being totally settled and daring to return in
Italy; the second underwent four and a half years of preventive confinement,
then was afterward elected representative, what allowed himto go out of
prison, and finally took refuge with France during fourteen years, protected
by the doctrine Mitterrand, before returning in Italy voluntarily in 1997 to
purge the last six years of prison which remained in him to make. It is in
the light of this experience that we allow, today, to speak about the
historic and legal problem which puts the extradition of Cesare Battisti.

We read the indignant letters of certain intellectuals, journalists and
Italian magistrates: unlike what assert numerous French intellectuals, these
write that Italy of the 70s did not live civil war, And what the State of
Italian right did not thus have to use of laws of exception. The arguments
which they use seem to us nevertheless often forgetful, not to say more
ridiculous. Thus let us restart this history which was - so - ours.

The 70s represented an at the same moment vast and deep collective
experiment thanks to which two generations tried to eradicate props -
nevertheless unchanging seemingly - of the Italian society of the post-war
years. It is on this movement that it meant imposing new reports in the
family, in the sexuality, in the work, in the education, in the creation, in
the politics... But, while in the other countries of Europe the wave
provoked by 1968 had been integered inside institutions thanks to reforms
certainly more or less effective but which always took into account
requirements of the new generations, in Italy, on the contrary, an opaque
and corrupt political class, been used since the 50s to repress in the blood
the labor and peasant fights, refused at once everything dialogue with a
student movement which did not besides stop developing, and was bound more
and more in an enormous labor mobilization. Instead of opening in the
reforms for which asked a modern country (let us remember that it is in
these same years when the rights for the divorce and for the abortion were
conquered - against the will of the government in load), they preferred to
repress and to stop the demonstrators; and the custom of firearms on behalf
of police forces provoked of numerous died. At the same time, Italy
underwent what we called " a terrorism of State ", that is of numerous
murderous attacks organized by certain fringes of secret services having
escaped any control and by extreme right-wing small groups: there were thus
explosions on trains, bombs in banks and during trade-union meetings, during
real acts of terror having for end to generalize the fear and to force the
country to withdraw on moderate positions. We said that it was a " strategy
of the tension ": to destabilize to re-stabilize - and the deaths counted by
hundreds. In answer to it, a part of the movement gradually slid towards the
armed struggle and committed political murders: officers and producers,
journalists, union activists, politicians, magistrates... The State then
adopted an outfit of special laws which did not correspond doubtless
formally to a real State of exception, but which nevertheless allowed the
arrest and the preventive confinement of thousand persons during years ( the
legal limit was fixed to twelve years ), the usage of the torture, the
summary lawsuits completely built on prisoners' word to which it had been
promised that the freedom in exchange for confessions and which would have
anything invented to go out of prison. The data are sadly clear: 36 000
orders, 6 000 condemned persons, one thousand persons taken refuge abroad;
and those who think that all this is not true have only to go to glance at
the reports of Amnesty International of these same years.

Now it is not a question of saying that the 70s were not violent years, nor
to make profession of angelism. But Italy of post-68, it was also the
attempts of putsch, the infiltration of the masonic lodge P2 in the high
spheres of the State and the civil society ( should we remind that numerous
elements of the political class of this time are the same who are
protagonists of the public life of the peninsula today? ), the Atlantic
military structure "Gladio" which had surrouunded in secret the centres of
the power, the enormous scandal "Lockheed" which had soiled not only several
Ministers of the government in responsibility but also the President of the
Republic itself, forcing him to the resignation...

A diffuse and deep corruption, thus, which eventually appeared in full light
at the beginning of the 90s, and which provoked, at least formally, the
disappearance of the big Italian parties: the history of Tangentopoli is
from this point of view only the consequence of decades of dysfunctions and
bribes, subversion and lie, drift and secrets.

The 70s were all this - and not only, as some people want it to persuade, a
metropolitan "jacquerie" in which a small number of delirious fanatics,
totally cut by the reality and manipulated by occult powers, put in danger a
peaceful, quiet and calm democracy.

The repression of the movement of the 70s lasted during years. The time
passed. Many politicians recovered a virginity. The actors of the lead years
purged for their part up to the end, and sometimes excessively, their
condemnation - in prison for the majority of them, in exile for the others -
and only ones those who did not live the exile can deny that it is also, in
spite of appearances, about an exemplary and cruel punishment.

It is not a question here of saying that we were innocent. It is simply a
question of reminding that the laws by virtue of which we were imprisoned -
and, for some, condemned - were not normal laws; and that every man,
whatever it is, is entitled to a just justice. It is on this point that the
doctrine Mitterrand based its thought. In the case of the settled,
certainly: all those who were cleared having undergone the years of prison,
having lost their work and sometimes their family, underwent a justice
tragically grotesque; but in the case of the condemned persons, the
injustice is not less monstrous there.

The case of Adriano Sofri, condemned for twenty two years of prison, twenty
five years after the facts which are blamed him - and although it continues
desperately to proclaim itself innocent-, is the most sad example. Sofri is
innocent, but he was condemned during a lawsuit-river dotted with
contradictory declarations), with ambiguous witnesses, with proofs which
disappear, of uncalled-for or replaced judges, hoarse and redone judgments.
We allow only to add to all this: if Sofri had been guilty - and it is not
him-, this parody of justice to which he was subjected, and about which the
historian Carlo Ginzburg said very exactly that it looked like a real
lawsuit of witchcraft, it would be less monstrous?

Thirty years passed. The men changed. They recovered with difficulty a life
when they were able to do it. But this history, the history of which we do
not still manage to make, is a wound. After thirty years, while nothing is
more similar to what existed then - neither the persons, nor the historic
situation - has it another sense to want to punish? Is not there legal
prescription when souls and bodies became other, and when all their
existence is the proof? Do not we risk to transform the justice - the one
who was cruelly so lacking to the time - in a vengeance?

A vengeance which made of the eye for eye its creed, but which does not work
in the same way for all. The massacres provoked by the strategy of the
tension lived, for the greater part, unpunished. In the daytime of the
arrest of Battisti, the Italian judiciary decided to refuse, after thirty
years of successive lawsuits, the charges which charged certain extreme
right-wing leaders and people in charge of the secret services of the attack
of the Bank of the agriculture of Milan, in 1969: a bomb had provoked a real
bloodbath. The people in charge can sleep soundly, they do not need an
amnesty, they are already pardoned.

But, for the extreme left, no amnesty. This page of the history will not be
turned, because it would mean exactly that we finally agreed to worry the
real history. The Italian left refuses to make an amnesty by fear that
Berlusconi and his friends take advantage of it. Berlusconi and his friends
do not need it, they are autoamnistiés for a long time.

The intellectuals who make the apology of the State of Italian right today,
who existed according to them in the 70s, are blind, ignorant or cynical.
The doctrine Mitterrand had no big claims. It simply registered a
non-functioning of the justice and the impossibility of the Italian
political class to give political answers to a movement of contesting pushed
bit by bit to the extremism by the choice of the repression. The doctrine
Mitterrand allowed dozens persons to abandon the infernal spiral of the
appeal to weapons and to choose another life, another route. It is on this
base that it was confirmed by the governments of cohabitation which
succeeded one another from 1986, to begin with that in the head of which was
Jacques Chirac, then Prime Minister. In narrow connection with Italian
Caritas, the Church of France has, too, always supported firmly the
commitment which had been taken.

There is a problem of the political amnesty today for lead years. Some
people believe that the forgiveness is a weakness. We think, on the
contrary, that only the forgiveness is the measure of a real political
force, because only the forgiveness can allow Italy today to release itself
from ghosts of the 70s.

But, in Italy, all this is doubtless still impossible, because he(it) reigns
an opaqueness there which does not allow the history(story) to be made,
unless, as today, the direct actors decide - indeed in spite of them,
because there is no other possible solution - to resume(to take back) the
word. Italy of the XXIth century tries(feels) towards the lead years the
difficulty that France towards Vichy or towards the war of Algeria had for a
long time. We ask today that, as in France, this history(story) is written,
so that it stops finally being the taboo of the memory and the forgiveness.



>From a Translation Italian to French by Judith Revel in Liberation
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827


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"Les intellectuels qui font aujourd'hui l'apologie de l'Etat de droit
italien, qui existait selon eux dans les années 70, sont aveugles, ignorants
ou cyniques."

Libération, 18 mai.
Rebonds
Pardonner à Battisti, entre autres, libérerait le pays de ses fantômes des
années soixante-dix.
En Italie, une amnistie politique qui ne passe pas

Par Nanni BALLESTRINI et Toni NEGRI
mardi 18 mai 2004
Par
Nanni Balestrini poète
et romancier
et
Toni Negri philosophe




Le 30 juin, la justice française devrait se prononcer sur l'éventuelle
extradition de Cesare Battisti, réfugié politique en France depuis 1981 et
en fuite de son propre pays pour des actes commis dans les années 70. La
décision a été renvoyée après une première audience de la chambre
d'instruction le 7 avril, date qui a fait resurgir pour un certain nombre
d'entre nous des souvenirs tristes et douloureux.

Le 7 avril 2004, a en effet été le 25e anniversaire de l'arrestation d'une
soixantaine d'intellectuels et d'ouvriers par le juge Calogero, qui était à
l'époque ­ et qui est encore aujourd'hui ­ le procureur de la République de
la ville de Padoue. Ces ouvriers et ces intellectuels étaient tous accusés
d'avoir organisé un vaste mouvement au sein des usines et des universités
qui poussait à l'«insurrection armée contre l'Etat» (un délit introduit dans
le code pénal italien pendant le fascisme, puni par la réclusion à
perpétuité, et qui n'a jamais été abrogé depuis), et en particulier de
représenter le cerveau d'une organisation politique dont la façade
officielle aurait été nommée «Autonomia operaia» (autonomie ouvrière), et
dont la structure clandestine aurait été celle des Brigades rouges. Ils
étaient en outre accusés sans preuves d'être les responsables de dix-neuf
assassinats, et en particulier de celui du président de la Démocratie
chrétienne, Aldo Moro. Après sept ans, alors que les accusés avaient attendu
en prison un procès qui eut finalement lieu, ces accusations ont été
totalement abandonnées, et presque tous ceux qui avaient été incarcérés le 7
avril 1979 dans des prisons de haute sécurité ont été remis en liberté après
avoir été totalement blanchis : ils avaient donc fait sept ans de prison
dans des conditions extrêmes mais n'ont reçu ni excuses ni dédommagement de
la part de l'Etat italien.

Les deux auteurs de ce texte ont été au nombre de ceux que le juge Calogero
accusait : le premier a réussi miraculeusement à éviter l'incarcération et a
vécu sept ans en France avant d'être totalement acquitté et d'oser rentrer
en Italie ; le second a subi quatre ans et demi d'incarcération préventive,
puis a été par la suite élu député, ce qui lui a permis de sortir de prison,
et s'est enfin réfugié en France pendant quatorze ans, protégé par la
doctrine Mitterrand, avant de rentrer en Italie volontairement en 1997 pour
purger les six dernières années de prison qui lui restaient à faire. C'est à
la lumière de cette expérience que nous nous permettons, aujourd'hui, de
prendre la parole à propos du problème historique et juridique que pose
l'extradition de Cesare Battisti.

Nous avons lu les lettres indignées de certains intellectuels, journalistes
et magistrats italiens : au contraire de ce qu'affirment de nombreux
intellectuels français, ceux-ci écrivent que l'Italie des années 70 n'a pas
vécu de guerre civile, et que l'Etat de droit italien n'a donc pas eu à
utiliser de lois d'exception. Les arguments qu'ils utilisent nous semblent
pourtant souvent oublieux, pour ne pas dire ubuesques. Repartons donc de
cette histoire qui a été ­aussi ­la nôtre.

Les années 70 ont représenté une expérience collective à la fois vaste et
profonde à la faveur de laquelle deux générations ont cherché à déraciner
les piliers ­ pourtant immuables en apparence ­de la société italienne de
l'après-guerre. C'est à ce mouvement qu'il est revenu d'imposer de nouveaux
rapports dans la famille, dans la sexualité, dans le travail, dans
l'enseignement, dans la création, dans la politique... Mais, alors que dans
d'autres pays d'Europe la vague provoquée par 1968 avait été réabsorbée à
l'intérieur des institutions grâce à des réformes certes plus ou moins
efficaces mais qui tenaient toujours compte des exigences des nouvelles
générations, en Italie, au contraire, une classe politique opaque et
corrompue, habituée depuis les années 50 à réprimer dans le sang les luttes
ouvrières et paysannes, a refusé d'emblée tout dialogue avec un mouvement
étudiant qui ne cessait par ailleurs de se développer, et se liait de plus
en plus à une énorme mobilisation ouvrière. Au lieu de s'ouvrir aux réformes
que demandait un pays moderne (souvenons-nous que c'est dans ces mêmes
années que les droits au divorce et à l'avortement ont été conquis ­ contre
la volonté du gouvernement en charge), on a préféré réprimer et arrêter les
manifestants ; et l'usage des armes à feu de la part des forces de police a
provoqué de nombreux morts. Parallèlement, l'Italie a subi ce que l'on a
appelé «un terrorisme d'Etat», c'est-à-dire de nombreux attentats meurtriers
organisés par certaines franges des services secrets ayant échappé à tout
contrôle et par des groupuscules d'extrême droite : il y a donc eu des
explosions sur des trains, des bombes dans des banques et lors de meetings
syndicaux, de véritables actes de terreur ayant pour finalité de généraliser
la peur et de contraindre le pays à se replier sur des positions modérées.
On a dit que c'était une «stratégie de la tension» : déstabiliser pour
restabiliser ­ et les morts se sont comptés par centaines. En réponse à
cela, une partie du mouvement a progressivement glissé vers la lutte armée
et a commis des assassinats politiques : entrepreneurs, journalistes,
syndicalistes, hommes politiques, magistrats... L'Etat a alors adopté une
panoplie de lois spéciales qui ne correspondaient sans doute pas
formellement à un véritable Etat d'exception, mais qui ont malgré tout
permis l'arrestation et l'incarcération préventive de milliers de personnes
pendant des années (la limite juridique en était fixée à douze ans), l'usage
de la torture, des procès sommaires entièrement construits sur la parole de
détenus auxquels il avait été promis la liberté en échange de confessions et
qui auraient inventé n'importe quoi pour sortir de prison. Les données sont
tristement claires : 36 000 arrêtés, 6 000 condamnés, un millier de
personnes réfugiées à l'étranger ; et ceux qui pensent que tout cela n'est
pas vrai n'ont qu'à aller jeter un coup d'oeil dans les rapports d'Amnesty
International de ces mêmes années.

Or il ne s'agit pas de dire que les années 70 ont été des années non
violentes, ni de faire profession d'angélisme. Mais l'Italie de l'après-68,
c'était aussi les tentatives de coup d'Etat, l'infiltration de la loge
maçonnique P2 dans les hautes sphères de l'Etat et de la société civile
(faut-il rappeler que de nombreux éléments de la classe politique de
l'époque sont les mêmes qui sont aujourd'hui protagonistes de la vie
publique de la péninsule ?), la structure militaire atlantique Gladio qui
avait clandestinement investi les centres du pouvoir, l'énorme scandale
Lockheed qui avait entaché non seulement plusieurs ministres du gouvernement
en charge mais aussi le président de la République lui-même, le contraignant
à la démission...

Une corruption diffuse et profonde, donc, qui a fini par émerger en pleine
lumière au début des années 90, et qui a provoqué, au moins formellement, la
disparition des grands partis italiens : l'histoire de Tangentopoli n'est de
ce point de vue que la conséquence de décennies de dysfonctionnements et de
pots-de-vin, de subversion et de mensonge, de dérives et de secrets.

Les années 70 ont été tout cela ­ et non pas seulement, comme certains
veulent le faire croire, une jacquerie métropolitaine dans laquelle un petit
nombre d'exaltés délirants, totalement coupés de la réalité et manipulés par
des pouvoirs occultes, ont mis en danger une démocratie pacifique,
tranquille et placide.

La répression du mouvement des années 70 a duré pendant des années. Le temps
a passé. Bien des hommes politiques se sont refait une virginité. Les
acteurs des années de plomb ont pour leur part purgé jusqu'au bout, et
parfois outre mesure, leur condamnation ­ en prison pour la majorité d'entre
eux, en exil pour d'autres ­ et seuls ceux qui n'ont pas vécu l'exil peuvent
nier qu'il s'agisse aussi, malgré les apparences, d'une peine exemplaire et
cruelle.

Il ne s'agit pas ici de dire que nous avons été innocents. Il s'agit
simplement de rappeler que les lois en vertu desquelles nous avons été
incarcérés ­ et, pour certains, condamnés ­ n'étaient pas des lois normales
; et que tout homme, quel qu'il soit, a droit à une justice juste. C'est sur
ce point que la doctrine Mitterrand a fondé sa pensée. Dans le cas des
acquittés, certes : tous ceux qui ont été blanchis après avoir subi des
années de prison, perdu leur travail et parfois leur famille, ont subi une
justice tragiquement grotesque ; mais dans le cas des condamnés, l'injustice
n'en est pas moins monstrueuse.

Le cas d'Adriano Sofri, condamné à vingt-deux ans de prison, vingt-cinq ans
après les faits qui lui sont reprochés ­ et bien qu'il continue
désespérément à se proclamer innocent ­, en est l'exemple le plus triste.
Sofri est innocent, mais il a été condamné lors d'un procès-fleuve constellé
de déclarations contradictoires, de témoins ambigus, de preuves qui
disparaissent, de juges déplacés ou remplacés, de jugements cassés et
refaits. Nous nous permettons seulement d'ajouter à tout cela : si Sofri
avait été coupable ­ et il ne l'est pas ­, cette parodie de justice à
laquelle il a été soumis, et dont l'historien Carlo Ginzburg a très
justement dit qu'elle ressemblait à un véritable procès de sorcellerie, en
serait-elle moins monstrueuse ?

Trente ans ont passé. Les hommes ont changé. Ils se sont refait
difficilement une vie quand ils l'ont pu. Mais cette histoire, dont on ne
réussit toujours pas à faire l'histoire, est une plaie. Après trente ans,
alors que rien n'est plus semblable à ce qui existait alors ­ ni les
personnes, ni la situation historique ­, cela a-t-il encore un sens de
vouloir punir ? N'y a-t-il pas de prescription juridique quand les âmes et
les corps sont devenus autres, et que toute leur existence en est la preuve
? Ne risque-t-on pas de transformer la justice ­ celle qui a fait si
cruellement défaut à l'époque ­ en une vengeance ?

Une vengeance qui a fait de l'oeil pour oeil son credo, mais qui ne
fonctionne pas de la même manière pour tous. Les massacres provoqués par la
stratégie de la tension sont demeurés, pour la plupart, impunis. Le jour de
l'arrestation de Battisti, la magistrature italienne a décidé de débouter,
après trente ans de procès successifs, les accusations qui inculpaient
certains leaders d'extrême droite et des responsables des services secrets
de l'attentat de la Banque de l'agriculture de Milan, en 1969 : une bombe
avait provoqué une véritable hécatombe. Les responsables peuvent dormir
tranquilles, ils n'ont pas besoin d'amnistie, ils sont déjà amnistiés.

Mais, pour l'extrême gauche, point d'amnistie. Cette page de l'histoire ne
sera pas tournée, parce que cela voudrait dire précisément qu'on a
finalement accepté d'en faire l'histoire véritable. La gauche italienne se
refuse à faire une amnistie par peur que Berlusconi et ses amis en
profitent. Berlusconi et ses amis n'en ont pas besoin, ils se sont
autoamnistiés depuis longtemps.

Les intellectuels qui font aujourd'hui l'apologie de l'Etat de droit
italien, qui existait selon eux dans les années 70, sont aveugles, ignorants
ou cyniques. La doctrine Mitterrand n'a pas eu de grandes prétentions. Elle
a simplement enregistré un non-fonctionnement de la justice et
l'impossibilité de la classe politique italienne à donner des réponses
politiques à un mouvement de contestation poussé peu à peu à l'extrémisme
par le choix de la répression. La doctrine Mitterrand a permis à des
dizaines de personnes d'abandonner la spirale infernale du recours aux armes
et de choisir une autre vie, un autre parcours. C'est sur cette base qu'elle
a été confirmée par les gouvernements de cohabitation qui se sont succédé à
partir de 1986, à commencer par celui à la tête duquel se trouvait Jacques
Chirac, alors Premier ministre. En liaison étroite avec la Caritas
italienne, l'Eglise de France a, elle aussi, toujours appuyé fermement
l'engagement qui avait été pris.

Il reste aujourd'hui le problème de l'amnistie politique pour les années de
plomb. Certains croient que le pardon est une faiblesse. Nous pensons, au
contraire, que seul le pardon est la mesure d'une force politique véritable,
parce que seul le pardon peut aujourd'hui permettre à l'Italie de se libérer
des fantômes des années 70.

Mais, en Italie, tout cela est sans doute encore impossible, parce qu'il y
règne une opacité qui ne permet pas à l'histoire de se faire, à moins que,
comme aujourd'hui, les acteurs directs ne se décident ­ bien malgré eux,
parce qu'il n'y a pas d'autre solution possible ­ à reprendre la parole.
L'Italie du XXIe siècle éprouve à l'égard des années de plomb la difficulté
qu'a eu longtemps la France à l'égard de Vichy ou de la guerre d'Algérie.
Nous demandons aujourd'hui que, comme en France, cette histoire soit écrite,
afin qu'elle cesse enfin d'être le tabou de la mémoire et du pardon.


Traduit de l'italien par Judith Revel

© Libération
  http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=206827


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From ahmi at pursuethepulse.org  Tue May 18 22:29:43 2004
From: ahmi at pursuethepulse.org (Ahmi Wolf)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:29:43 -0400
Subject: Ask the Robot Performance Event & Call For Participation
Message-ID: <189BF848-A90A-11D8-8DD9-000A95ABB0B6@pursuethepulse.org>

ask the robot, a multi-media platform for sharing and responding to new 
art, is back with:

rOBOT rEBELLION!

An evening of performance, music, video and installation

Wednesday, June 23 @ the Frying Pan
Pier 63 North River
New York, NY  10011
tel: (212) 989-6363 www.fryingpan.com

rOBOT rEBELLION! is the second in a series of events that gives artists 
working within and across different media a chance to present their 
work on an open stage.  Whether you use your body, your voice, or 
strange technical gadgets to perform ? analog, digital and just plain 
human media are all welcome! Admission is FREE!

The performances will be followed by a JAM SESSION: Djembe drums meet 
musical surfboard in the cellar of a haunted old boat... Bring your 
instruments, laptops, and dancing shoes

Please forward on to others that might be interested!


							CALL FOR PARTICIPATION

							Robot as Other, Soulless, Alien
	Robot as Man's dream of a servant who will comply without question at 
the snap of the fingers

...AND THEN THE PROGRAM CRASHES: it's as if the machines we rely on 
wait for the perfect moment to take their revenge on us thankless souls 
who expect and demand performance at the click of a button. Then we go 
to work and find the tables turned on us: it's we who are expected to 
respond at the boss's mechanical wag of the tongue. It used to be that 
programmed machines and humans were presented as diametrically opposed 
specimens, warring tribes competing for supremacy - one day the robots 
will take over the world! In this battle for world domination, WHO ARE 
THE ROBOTS? WHO ARE THE HUMANS?

ask the robot is looking for performances, installations, and written 
pieces that are full of soul. If you'd like to show your work, read the 
guidelines and contact us at robot at asktherobot.info

We are looking for:

LIVE ACTS: music*dance*spoken word*comedy*and drama of any kind; 15 
min. max

VIDEO: 10 seconds to 10 minutes

INSTALLATIONS

WRITTEN WORK: articles and written responses of any length

Submission guidelines:
*Live Acts: email a link to a sample of your work if it is available 
online, or send a short video/audio sample to:
Pursue the Pulse, 369 St. John?s Pl. Apt. 15, Brooklyn, NY 11238
*Video: send us a link to a Quicktime version of the movie, or mail a 
VHS/CDR/DVD to the above address (CDR/DVD preferable)
*Installations: send us a clear description of what you intend to do, 
how much space and set up time is required, and photos of the work, if 
available. Site specific installations are especially welcome!
*Written Responses: email as a pdf or word attachment

In all cases you can also arrange to meet with us in person, if you are 
local.

DEADLINE: JUNE 17

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From rdh at vnatrc.com  Wed May 19 01:40:19 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 01:40:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Re:
In-Reply-To: <D6B7D606-A911-11D8-A551-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <40AA55CE.1060304@o-o.lt>
    <D6B7D606-A911-11D8-A551-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1462.80.8.74.234.1084923619.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

levent est déjà passé ?
> more moulins à vents !
> http://www.pavu.com/pets
>
> Le mardi, 18 mai 2004, à 20:28 Europe/Paris, ¤ a écrit :
>
>> some more carpet/?s
>> http://www.o-o.lt/mi_ga/carpet/?s
>>
>> # From: hub at x-arn.org
>> # To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>> # Subject:
>> # Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:45:00 +0200 (CEST)
>>
>>
>> This is not a cloned object
>>
>> This is not a cloned object
>>
>> This is not a cloned object
>>
>> From: "HUB" <hub at x-arn.org>
>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Reply-To: hub at x-arn.org
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>>
>>
>> The first purpose of this work is to provide a simplified access to
>> artworks contained in the Rhizome Artbase. Using Artbase parameters
>> such
>> as art object identifiers, the work focuses on anonymity wich can
>> emerge
>> from the relatively large amount of artworks. Furthermore, it's an
>> illustration of the possible relations between interfaces and a
>> database
>> as described by Lev Manovich : "The new media object consists of one or
>> more interfaces to a database of multimedia material. If only one
>> interface is constructed, the result will be similar to a traditional
>> art
>> object; but this is an exception rather than the norm."
>> (http://time.arts.ucla.edu/AI_Society/manovich.html).
>>
>>
>> http://www.x-arn.org/rhizome/
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From rdh at vnatrc.com  Wed May 19 02:36:41 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 02:36:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Ask the Robot Performance Event & Call For 
     Participation
In-Reply-To: <189BF848-A90A-11D8-8DD9-000A95ABB0B6@pursuethepulse.org>
References: <189BF848-A90A-11D8-8DD9-000A95ABB0B6@pursuethepulse.org>
Message-ID: <1149.80.8.74.70.1084927001.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

http://info.vnatrc.net/1052310878/index_html
-- 
Rico da Halvarez-N
 d--------------E
RdH~;:))-?vnatrc.T

> ask the robot, a multi-media platform for sharing and responding to new
> art, is back with:
>
> rOBOT rEBELLION!
>
> An evening of performance, music, video and installation
>
> Wednesday, June 23 @ the Frying Pan
> Pier 63 North River
> New York, NY  10011
> tel: (212) 989-6363 www.fryingpan.com
>
> rOBOT rEBELLION! is the second in a series of events that gives artists
> working within and across different media a chance to present their
> work on an open stage.  Whether you use your body, your voice, or
> strange technical gadgets to perform – analog, digital and just plain
> human media are all welcome! Admission is FREE!
>
> The performances will be followed by a JAM SESSION: Djembe drums meet
> musical surfboard in the cellar of a haunted old boat... Bring your
> instruments, laptops, and dancing shoes
>
> Please forward on to others that might be interested!
>
>
> 							CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
>
> 							Robot as Other, Soulless, Alien
> 	Robot as Man's dream of a servant who will comply without question at
> the snap of the fingers
>
> ...AND THEN THE PROGRAM CRASHES: it's as if the machines we rely on
> wait for the perfect moment to take their revenge on us thankless souls
> who expect and demand performance at the click of a button. Then we go
> to work and find the tables turned on us: it's we who are expected to
> respond at the boss's mechanical wag of the tongue. It used to be that
> programmed machines and humans were presented as diametrically opposed
> specimens, warring tribes competing for supremacy - one day the robots
> will take over the world! In this battle for world domination, WHO ARE
> THE ROBOTS? WHO ARE THE HUMANS?
>
> ask the robot is looking for performances, installations, and written
> pieces that are full of soul. If you'd like to show your work, read the
> guidelines and contact us at robot at asktherobot.info
>
> We are looking for:
>
> LIVE ACTS: music*dance*spoken word*comedy*and drama of any kind; 15
> min. max
>
> VIDEO: 10 seconds to 10 minutes
>
> INSTALLATIONS
>
> WRITTEN WORK: articles and written responses of any length
>
> Submission guidelines:
> *Live Acts: email a link to a sample of your work if it is available
> online, or send a short video/audio sample to:
> Pursue the Pulse, 369 St. John’s Pl. Apt. 15, Brooklyn, NY 11238
> *Video: send us a link to a Quicktime version of the movie, or mail a
> VHS/CDR/DVD to the above address (CDR/DVD preferable)
> *Installations: send us a clear description of what you intend to do,
> how much space and set up time is required, and photos of the work, if
> available. Site specific installations are especially welcome!
> *Written Responses: email as a pdf or word attachment
>
> In all cases you can also arrange to meet with us in person, if you are
> local.
>
> DEADLINE: JUNE 17
>
> Brought to you by Pursue the Pulse (http://www.pursuethepulse.org)
>
> (To join our mailing list, reply to this email with something like
> 'join' 'subscribe' 'list me', etc., in the body of the email. To get us
> off your back, reply with whatever witty words you think will make us
> want to avoid you in the future.)



From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 19 05:54:03 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:54:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: before the onslaught
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405182353550.26519@panix3.panix.com>



before the onslaught

http://www.asondheim.org/1491.jpg
http://www.asondheim.org/1492.gif

clean but the suture shows <
one side or the other <

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From eric.m at bobig.com  Wed May 19 10:36:01 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:36:01 +0200
Subject: kids love my artistery
Message-ID: <40AB1C71.2050003@bobig.com>

http://epinettebatignolle.free.fr/raph-1/




From mi_ga at o-o.lt  Wed May 19 12:24:44 2004
From: mi_ga at o-o.lt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A4?=)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:24:44 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re:
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References: <40AA55CE.1060304@o-o.lt>    <D6B7D606-A911-11D8-A551-000393B03010@free.fr> <1462.80.8.74.234.1084923619.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <40AB35EC.90203@o-o.lt>

levent already passed
> levent est déjà passé ?
> 
>>more moulins à vents !
>>http://www.pavu.com/pets
>>
>>Le mardi, 18 mai 2004, à 20:28 Europe/Paris, ¤ a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>some more carpet/?s
>>>http://www.o-o.lt/mi_ga/carpet/?s
>>>
>>># From: hub at x-arn.org
>>># To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>>># Subject:
>>># Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:45:00 +0200 (CEST)
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not a cloned object
>>>
>>>This is not a cloned object
>>>
>>>This is not a cloned object
>>>
>>>From: "HUB" <hub at x-arn.org>
>>>To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>Reply-To: hub at x-arn.org
>>>X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.12[cvs])
>>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not a cloned object
>>>
>>>
>>>The first purpose of this work is to provide a simplified access to
>>>artworks contained in the Rhizome Artbase. Using Artbase parameters
>>>such
>>>as art object identifiers, the work focuses on anonymity wich can
>>>emerge
>>>from the relatively large amount of artworks. Furthermore, it's an
>>>illustration of the possible relations between interfaces and a
>>>database
>>>as described by Lev Manovich : "The new media object consists of one or
>>>more interfaces to a database of multimedia material. If only one
>>>interface is constructed, the result will be similar to a traditional
>>>art
>>>object; but this is an exception rather than the norm."
>>>(http://time.arts.ucla.edu/AI_Society/manovich.html).
>>>
>>>
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From media at ezaic.de  Wed May 19 12:40:20 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:40:20 +0200
Subject: Baudrillard article published today in Liberation
Message-ID: <a06002001bcd0e99c8a31@[82.82.103.70]>


Baudrillard: Pornographie de la guerre

http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=207077&AG



From media at ezaic.de  Wed May 19 12:46:53 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:46:53 +0200
Subject: admin / Web-archives broken
Message-ID: <a06002002bcd0ea8ac1eb@[82.83.227.6]>


Hello,

the server still seems to have problems.

The web-archives are obviously broken,
means not every message sent to Syndicate gets archived on the Web
but despite of this is delivered to the subscribers.

So do not be surprised if you cannot find your message in the web-archives.

I'll write to anart about this.


kind regards,
Claudia



From lars.midboe at electrohype.org  Wed May 19 13:43:53 2004
From: lars.midboe at electrohype.org (Lars Gustav Midboe)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:43:53 +0200
Subject: Call for entries Electrohype 2004 - reminder.
Message-ID: <p05010403bcd0f8c95a82@[195.17.40.85]>

Call for entries Electrohype 2004 - Short version/reminder.

Deadline may 31st 2004.

Electrohype 2004 is the third Nordic biennial for computer based art. 
It will be a follow up to two previous exhibitions Electrohype 2000 
and 2002.

The exhibition Electrohype 2004 will be held at Malmo Konsthall, one 
of the most beautiful exhibition spaces for art in Scandinavia, from 
November 27th  to January 23rd. The exhibition will be presented for 
eight weeks on 1700 square meters (13 000 square feet). Our goal is 
to present an exhibition consisting of 15 - 20 works of art.

The theme for the exhibition is "PERSPECTIVE". This means that we 
will not only include newly produced works but also look for artwork 
that draws a historical line for a rather young art genre.

Important dates
Deadline for this call for entries may 31st , 2004
Exhibition opening November 27th 2004
Exhibition closing January 23rd 2005

Practical:
Guidelines, online application form and a PDF form can be found on 
this address:
http://www.electrohype.org/2004/entrieinfo02.html

NOTE: Please read the guidelines on our website. 

Financial
We are still working on the fundraising for the exhibition. This 
means that we will have to adjust the final selection of works for 
the exhibition based on the economic status . We will hopefully have 
final numbers sometime during this summer.

Best regards from the Electrohype team.

Anna Kindvall and Lars Gustav Midboe
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From contact at eipcp.net  Wed May 19 13:56:19 2004
From: contact at eipcp.net (eipcp)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:56:19 +0200
Subject: institution: NEW ISSUE republicart web-journal
Message-ID: <DIEMKCLDMLBGDLAGAHOKGEEEDNAA.contact@eipcp.net>

The new issue of the multilingual republicart web-journal is now online:

institution
Progressive Art Institutions in the Age of Dissolving Welfare States

In the institutions of the art field the indissoluble link between power and
resistance, as described by Foucault and Deleuze, is especially evident.
Progressive art institutions try to act as buffers against the influence of
state and capital on critical art practices, but at the same time function
as machines of a soft instrumentalization of resistance.

The essays in the new issue of the republicart web-journal discuss
strategies and alliances between activist art practices and progressive art
institutions that are capable of providing artistic criticism with the small
advantages needed, especially as the welfare state increasingly dissolves.

http://republicart.net/disc/institution/index.htm

Contents
Marius Babias: Reconquering Subjectivity. Kokerei Zollverein | Contemporary
Art and Criticism
Beatrice von Bismarck: Academy Effects. Project Work as Emancipatory
Practice
Charles Esche: What's the Point of Art Centres Anyway? – Possibility, Art
and Democratic Deviance
Brian Holmes: A Rising Tide of Contradiction. Museums in the Age of the
Expanding Workfare State
Gerald Raunig: The Double Criticism of parrhesia. Answering the Question
"What is a Progressive (Art)Institution?"
Jorge Ribalta: Mediation and Construction of Publics. The MACBA Experience
Dorothee Richter: Strategic Operations
Katya Sander: Criticizing Institutions? The Logic of Institutionalization in
the Danish Welfare State
Simon Sheikh: Public Spheres and the Functions of Progressive Art
Institutions
Gregory Sholette: Fidelity, Betrayal, Autonomy: In and Beyond the Post
Cold-War Art Museum

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From roy at planetary-collegium.net  Wed May 19 15:00:08 2004
From: roy at planetary-collegium.net (Planetary Collegium)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:00:08 +0200
Subject: Network for PhD studies in Art, Science and Technology / Z-Node
 opens in Zurich
Message-ID: <a06002011bcd109e71b97@[82.83.227.6]>


www.planetary-collegium.net

Professor Roy Ascott, Founding Director of the 
Planetary Collegium announces the opening of a 
Node of the Collegium in Zurich!


The Zurich Node (Z-Node) of the Collegium will be 
based in the Hochschule fuer Gestaltung und 
Kunst, Zurich (HGKZ). The Director of Studies of 
Z-Node will be Professor Jill Scott PhD of the 
Cultural Studies Institute at HGKZ. Doctoral 
candidates at Z-Node will be based at HGKZ 
(onsite or online) and supervised by Professor 
Scott and colleagues associated with the 
Hochschule. Candidates will be registered in the 
University of Plymouth and on successful 
completion of the programme and submission of the 
thesis, will be awarded the degree of Doctor of 
Philosophy by the University of Plymouth. The 
research programme in every respect reflects that 
in operation at the Plymouth hub, where all 
submissions and theses are finally examined. All 
members of the Collegium meet once a year at the 
annual international research conference, 
Consciousness Reframed. "This is the first of 
several geographically dispersed nodes planned 
for the Collegium, with Plymouth at the Hub", 
said Ascott. "We are delighted that our first 
node is in an institution which values excellence 
and creative achievement, and recognises the need 
for transdisciplinary research in the advancement 
of the arts".

For further Information please contact:

Prof. Jill Scott PhD, Director of Studies: Z-Node, The Planetary Collegium,
Institute of Cultural Studies, Hochschule für Gestaltung und Kunst, Zürich
Hafnerstrasse 31, CH-8031 Zürich
jill.scott at hgkz.ch




From media at ezaic.de  Wed May 19 15:11:01 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:11:01 +0200
Subject: admin / web-archives rebuilt
Message-ID: <a06002013bcd10c189f20@[82.83.227.6]>


thanks to Frank at Anart
the web-archives are rebuilt now and obviously work again


best,
Claudia



From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 19 16:14:04 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:14:04 -0400
Subject: "I don't recall being made aware"
Message-ID: <40AB336C.15389.7EF106A@localhost>

"I don't recall being made aware" - that's the Bush's White House ass-
covering general response to the Abu Ghraib Konzentrazionlager. I see 
Milosevic repeating that one very often from now on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/19/politics/19ABUS.html?th

The US military insisted in restricting ICRC access to Abu Ghraib, so 
it doesn't interfere with interrogations - which were done under 
torture. The same frustration ICRC experienced trying to visit 
Manjaca, Omarska, and Keraterm in Republika Srpska some years ago.

So, what's the difference between Milosevic's Serbia and Bush's US? 
Is this how freedom is spread around the world? By stripping people 
of their clothes and dignity?

The gallery of 7 people in the pictures shows faces that we may see 
every day. Who would see a sadistic torturer behind those smiles? Yet 
the abuses depicted are the same we heard about from Bosnia to 
Rwanda. And those most involved follow the known pattern - of 7 
people, 2 ringleaders are males in their mid-to-late thirties, which 
is precisely the age/gender group of majority of abuse perpetrators 
in Yugoslav wars.... The worst part is that the magnificent 7 will 
not stand the trial for crimes against humanity, but rather just get 
a slap on the wrist in the closed trial for misbehaving. Others, whom 
we did ot see in the pictures, they'll probably just walk. 
Ultimately, this may cost the US losing the battle for Iraq in the 
long, very bloody, long run. Wasn't the president of the US managed 
Iraqi Council just killed by a suicide bomber?

ivo



From arcangel at unosunosyunosceros.com  Wed May 19 19:26:30 2004
From: arcangel at unosunosyunosceros.com (arc.angel)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:26:30 -0600
Subject: nullpointer.co.uk  cyebrlounge museo tamayo 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040519112518.03213900@localhost>

Cyberlounge
Museo Tamayo
Arte Contemporáneo

ciudad de Mexico

invita:

performance inaugural del artista digital y músico inglés,


T o m  B e t t s

  nullpointer.co.uk



Miércoles 19 de mayo, 19:30 horas
Entrada libre
inmerso foro lounge

http://www.museotamayo.org/inmerso


retrospectiva

19 de mayo 19 septiembre



Tom Betts (www.nullpointer.co.uk) es un reconocido artista digital y músico 
inglés que emplea su extenso conocimiento en programación para el 
desarrollo de aplicaciones visual-sonoras de software art, navegadores 
alternativos y plugins VST para aplicaciones de sonido. Su trabajo está 
enfocado tanto en la deconstrucción de la forma digital como en el 
acercamiento a nuevos medios de interacción y crítica.

Son notables sus modificaciones a famosos videojuegos, como su instalación 
QQQ, una transformación de Quake III, en el que mapas y procesos de 
rendereo son reformados. Este proyecto está contextualizado en la creciente 
cultura del videojuego en línea. Betts desarrolló a la par un servidor que 
conecta vía internet a una infinidad de jugadores alrededor del mundo las 
24 horas del día, los cuales actúan como performers invisibles enfrascados 
en combates mortales, participando de la obra sin estar conscientes de 
ello. Con la información reinterpretada por la aplicación alterada, la 
arena de combate digital Quake se transforma en un continuo de 
arquitecturas abstractas mutadas por técnicas de programación generativa, 
imágenes y objetos que son violentamente recontextualizados tanto estética 
como conceptualmente. QQQ brinda a sus usuarios una perspectiva que fomenta 
lecturas sobre la violencia y el aislamiento del fenómeno social de los 
videojuegos, extrapolados a una poética existencial del contexto 
vida-muerte-pertenencia, inmersos en la generación de una estética 
preciosista del pixel lumínico.

Esta retrospectiva de Betts incluye, entre otros proyectos, audiopool, 
software que autosecuencia sonidos y los representa en un espacio 
bidimensional; dividedbyzero, website autogenerativo experimental; web 
tracer, navegador que provee una visión alternativa de la red preocupándose 
más por su meta-estructura que por su contenido; bitmapsequencer, software 
de síntesis sonora que utiliza imágenes bitmap y reinterpreta como data de 
ondas de audio; rand% estación de radio en Internet totalmente automática 
que transmite música compuesta en tiempo real por una serie de programas 
que asume los roles del artista y el músico.

Tom Betts ha participado en los eventos de software art y sonido 
experimental más importantes de Europa y Estados Unidos. Su trabajo ha sido 
mostrado en el ica de Londres y en The New Museum de Nueva York. Como 
músico ha editado discos dentro del sello warp y leaf, realizando 
composiciones electrónicas para obras de danza contemporánea y participado 
en festivales como LoveBytes y Sonar. Actualmente imparte cursos sobre el 
arte de la programación.



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From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 19 19:49:45 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Executive Summary courtesy of Ian Murray
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405191349350.27100@panix3.panix.com>


Executive Summary courtesy of Ian Murray

fundament. the Freedom fundament. corrupts Freedom power corrupts absolute
and is power freedom. prisons Enlightened enjoy prisons watching enjoy
American watching sex. comes freedom pain. ploughshares People which turn
work guns people. up If freedom


_



From u at iluvu.tv  Wed May 19 16:48:40 2004
From: u at iluvu.tv (u at iluvu.tv)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ILUVU.TV LAUNCHES FIRST INTERNET TELEVISION ORACLE
Message-ID: <6221.64.69.108.254.1084978120.spork@webmail.iluvu.tv>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ATTENTION ART LUVERS




ILUVU.TV LAUNCHES FIRST INTERNET TELEVISION ORACLE

In a World Without Television There Is No Hope

New York, NY May 19, 2004 -- ILUVU.TV launches the first ever
Internet-based television channeling prophet, the TVORACLE.  Similar to
the Oracle at Delphi, who delivered cryptic prophecies to the Greeks
through the pungent fumes at the Great Temple of Apollo, the TVOracle
divines messages for the people through tv sitcoms, news broadcasts, and
talk shows.

In a semi-lucid Wellbutrin-enhanced state, the TVOracle is able to channel
tv messages with amazing personal accuracy and acute vision.  How she does
this is through a combination of methodologies involving her blue-blocking
wrap-around shades and the ILUVU.TV proprietary technique called Th(m)eme
Mapping, which uses the remote as a tool for harnessing the meta stories
inside the television set, channeling, as it were, the samples of wisdom
between the tv scan lines.

Online divinations have begun! So don't delay in receiving your own
personal reading.  In these confusing and conflicted media-driven times,
don't U feel U need a little personal TV guidance?

http://www.iluvu.tv

-----------------------------------------------------

It could happen to U! ILUVU.TV is currently accepting applications for
TVORACLE 2005.  Do U have what it takes?  Are you a HiddenHero,
IslandDreamer, or FireStarter? Find out now! When you fill out our
application to be the new TVORACLE, U also get a free personality profile,
plus a signed picture of TVOracle 2004, and information about our summer
retreat where U get enlightened in luxury.

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If you would like to receive our full press kit or are interested in
becoming a corporate sponsor please email us at U at ILUVU.TV. We look
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-----------------------------------------------------


ILUVU.TV is the project of RestartStudio who has been in the business of
technology, art-ifice, guerrilla pop psychology, and media subversion
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From margaret at restartstudio.com  Wed May 19 21:18:16 2004
From: margaret at restartstudio.com (margaret at restartstudio.com)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:18:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ILUVU.TV LAUNCHES FIRST INTERNET TELEVISION ORACLE
Message-ID: <1070.64.69.108.254.1084994296.spork@webmail.restartstudio.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ATTENTION ART LUVERS




ILUVU.TV LAUNCHES FIRST INTERNET TELEVISION ORACLE

In a World Without Television There Is No Hope

New York, NY May 19, 2004 -- ILUVU.TV launches the first ever
Internet-based television channeling prophet, the TVORACLE.  Similar to
the Oracle at Delphi, who delivered cryptic prophecies to the Greeks
through the pungent fumes at the Great Temple of Apollo, the TVOracle
divines messages for the people through tv sitcoms, news broadcasts, and
talk shows.

In a semi-lucid Wellbutrin-enhanced state, the TVOracle is able to channel
tv messages with amazing personal accuracy and acute vision.  How she does
this is through a combination of methodologies involving her blue-blocking
wrap-around shades and the ILUVU.TV proprietary technique called Th(m)eme
Mapping, which uses the remote as a tool for harnessing the meta stories
inside the television set, channeling, as it were, the samples of wisdom
between the tv scan lines.

Online divinations have begun! So don't delay in receiving your own
personal reading.  In these confusing and conflicted media-driven times,
don't U feel U need a little personal TV guidance?

http://www.iluvu.tv

-----------------------------------------------------

It could happen to U! ILUVU.TV is currently accepting applications for
TVORACLE 2005.  Do U have what it takes?  Are you a HiddenHero,
IslandDreamer, or FireStarter? Find out now! When you fill out our
application to be the new TVORACLE, U also get a free personality profile,
plus a signed picture of TVOracle 2004, and information about our summer
retreat where U get enlightened in luxury.

http://www.iluvu.tv/application.html


If you would like to receive our full press kit or are interested in
becoming a corporate sponsor please email us at U at ILUVU.TV. We look
forward to hearing from U.  Or make a tax-deductible donation via PayPal
from the button on our website. With a donation of minimum $15.00 or
partnership with ILUVU.TV you get a free TVORACLE trucker hat or t-shirt.

-----------------------------------------------------


ILUVU.TV is the project of RestartStudio who has been in the business of
technology, art-ifice, guerrilla pop psychology, and media subversion
since 1997.
To learn more please visit http://www.restartstudio.com.

-----------------------------------------------------















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From sondheim at panix.com  Wed May 19 22:24:30 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:24:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: kyber \ commerce 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405191624200.12673@panix3.panix.com>



kyber \ commerce

http://www.asondheim.org/kyber.mov

96k of shift

_



From hub at x-arn.org  Thu May 20 01:12:02 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 01:12:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: carpet/?s
Message-ID: <1028.82.64.69.43.1085008322.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>





+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|carpet/?s is a php based application where internet resources are used|
|as yarn to make ascii cloths. The influence of a surfer is as small as|
|a click of a mouse. All the rest is done by a machine, including the  |
|distribution via asco-o mailing list.|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+


Great ! i got it here  ::  ART NODE ::  http://www.x-arn.org/artnode/ ::



hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub







From hub at x-arn.org  Wed May 19 23:50:57 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:50:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: |carpet/?s
Message-ID: <1024.82.64.69.43.1085003457.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>



+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|carpet/?s is a php based application where internet resources are used|
|as yarn to make ascii cloths. The influence of a surfer is as small as|
|a click of a mouse. All the rest is done by a machine, including the  |
|distribution via asco-o mailing list.|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+


Great ! i got it in this :: ART NODE :: http://www.x-arn.org/artnode/ ::



hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub









From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 19 23:12:52 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:12:52 +0200
Subject: quizz for auriea
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>


12. According to the bible, what is God not able to do?
    * Save the very worst sinners from hell.
    * Make a rock so huge he can't lift it.
    * Repel chariots of iron.
    * Make people tell lies.
http://www.ffrf.org/bquiz.html

f. 




From netwurker at hotkey.net.au  Thu May 20 10:36:21 2004
From: netwurker at hotkey.net.au (][mez][)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:36:21 +1000
Subject: _r u hurt_?     06:43pm 17/05/2004 
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20040520183614.036437b8@pop.hotkey.net.au>

______________________________________________
_Cr.Ow Visioning_     05:56pm 20/05/2004
______________________________________________

[FA][Uni][Que.uing]


_ALT.Titles_
-p[s]urge.txt- -nite.terra.r[s]easoning- -gender.[st]rippage-



_ALT.Chronology_
#Wake.2.dream.[I]ma[c]gery.re.routed[u]N[iversal]p[ara.lull]urr.verse
#Fireb[ird]ug.[+h2o][jump]starting.
#Packed.timic.vs.breathin.in.sunpatches+[daze]d.REaMic


_________________________________d[ce]re[bral]amic



#Door.tr[sl]a[m!!]cking[muffled.ear.nutrient]s
#D-gree[D].shifts+icy.l[heart sh]ip[ment]s
#Foot.falling.feet


[O(bject)O(riented)P(rogramming)s +l(r|eality|)ust]_________


--

____________________________________________
_[fr]OS[ys]T[M]_     08:22am 20/05/2004
____________________________________________

[event]

-furred.ice.lawn.backs + page.drawn.charcoal trees-
-water.wat.Ur.every.want.but.[k]not[ted+ +gnarled].a.drink.dropper-
-audio.ice.st[retch]itching-

--

________________________________________________
_D||[w]rench_     09:42pm 17/05/2004
________________________________________________

D-1.

-bitten.f.[l]esh[submit.sh]ion- -man.d[l]i[a](l-up]bles.t[dr]ea[m]ring-


--

______________________________________
_does I.T. hurt u?_     06:43pm 17/05/2004
______________________________________

. - .


--

______________________________________
_r u hurt_?     06:43pm 17/05/2004
______________________________________
.










.(c)[lick].
-
-

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
http://www.livejournal.com/users/netwurker/




From abe at linkoln.net  Thu May 20 17:21:42 2004
From: abe at linkoln.net (abe linkoln)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:21:42 -0600
Subject: CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
Message-ID: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>

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MAY 20TH, 2004

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED

INSTITUTIONS AND PATRONS OF THE ARTS WANTED

MUST HAVE MONEYS, MUST BE WILLING TO FORK OVER SAID MONEYS

DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT BY THE RHIZOME.ORG COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS, 
THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO CONTINUE.

FULL DESCRIPTION OF ARTWORK AND FUNDING NEEDED AT http://www.jimpunk.com/C:/h-Ks.php3 

NOTE: FINAL EMAIL WILL NOT BE SENT TO RHIZOME RAW AS INDICATED IN THE PROPOSAL;
THE FINAL EMAIL WILL BE SENT TO THE PERSON(S) WHO COMMISSION THE WORK.

TO COMMISSION THIS ARTWORK CONTACT
ABE at LINKOLN.NET OR 
WWW at JIMPUNK.COM


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 20 17:38:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:38:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405201538.i4KFcI291267@www.god-emil.dk>




>hello,

hej     , how are you


>i  have been using nato full force these days 

10 years from now you'll still be using os9 da +?
wont likely matter much - c74 code won't look very different 
- unless they steal something else.


>and i was wondering, if 
>it is not too much to ask...

not at all. 
actually there is an sdk for the gl objekts in the gl distribution.
it inkludes examples + headers. if you need it again - may indikate.
as you undoubtedly know - for os9.

bye 











From aart at eunet.yu  Thu May 20 18:51:34 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:51:34 +0200
Subject: Canadian Diplomat Claims NATO War Crimes 
Message-ID: <001a01c43e8a$bc7c7ae0$7006f0d5@aart>

FORWARDED
______________


B92 (Serbia-Montenegro)
May 20, 2004

Canadian diplomat claims NATO war crimes 

Diplomat James Bissett was Canadian ambassador to
Yugoslavia from 1990 to 1992. During his tenure, he
watched as Yugoslavia began to break up and war broke
out, first in Slovenia, then in Croatia, finally in
Bosnia. 

He gave the following interview to Canada's
Edmonton Journal on May 18, before making a speech at
the University of Alberta.
 
Canada participated in a series of NATO-sanctioned war
crimes against Yugoslavia, charges a former Canadian
ambassador to the Balkan country.  

To this day, Canada has failed to admit the pretences
behind the bombing campaign that led to the NATO
occupation of Kosovo had no substance, James Bissett
said Tuesday in an interview before making a speech at
the University of Alberta. 

NATO and the United States claimed that more than
100,000 ethnic Albanians had been killed as the result
of Serb genocide, Bissett said. 

To stop that alleged genocide and ethnic cleansing,
NATO engaged in a 78-day bombing campaign against
Yugoslavia, which destroyed military and government
facilities before targeting factories, bridges, TV
stations and power grids. Finally, the Yugoslav
government gave in and allowed NATO troops to enter
Kosovo. Forensic investigation teams followed. 

"The forensic experts found fewer than 2,000 graves
and many of the people in those graves were Serbs,"
Bissett said. "There were more civilians killed in
Serbia by the NATO bombing campaign." 

Bissett claims there wasn't even a concerted campaign
of ethnic cleansing on the part of the Yugoslav
government. What actually happened was that 200,000
ethnic Albanians fled their homes as a result of
fighting between the Yugoslav army and the Kosovo
Liberation Army, Bissett said. The KLA was a terrorist
guerrilla organization that provoked reprisals against
Muslim Albanian villages by murdering Serb officials
and police officers, so it could tell the world the
Serbs were engaged in a genocidal campaign. 

Today, the few remaining Serbs of Kosovo are paying
the price for that duplicity. Bissett said 2,000 Serbs
have been murdered in Kosovo and 1,300 Christian
churches and monasteries have been bombed, burned or
destroyed. 

On March 17, another lie sparked more violence aimed
at Serbs. Three ethnic Albanian boys went swimming in
a river, and when two drowned, the third boy told his
parents the boys had been driven into the water by a
Serb man and his vicious dogs. By the time the boy
admitted his story was a lie, it was too late. 

All this anti-Serb violence had taken place while an
army of 18,000 NATO troops stood by and did nothing to
protect the Serbs or their property, said Bissett, who
was an outspoken opponent of NATO action during the
run-up to the 1999 bombing campaign. 

"It's time to speak out about Kosovo but it seems to
be a forgotten place," he said. "Only Pakistan and a
few other nations have spoken out about it. Canada has
said nothing." 






From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 20 21:29:52 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:29:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Palm Berthe
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405201529440.9089@panix2.panix.com>


Palm Berthe

The eyes of Nikuko speak. Nikuko speaks: Berthe, we are wound and
cicatrice. We are the lubricant at the edge of the scab. The scar will
remember us. Nikuko speaks: This writing its scar. This writing its memory
of its own. I have come to listen and to speak. Nikuko speaks: I have come
to speak. Nikuko speaks: I speak. She says: The pain and fury of the world
has infected this and every other language. She says: Languages are one
language of pain and retribution.:Nikuko speaks: Of the open Palm and its
enemies. Of the Lotus and the gathering. Every language seeps with
contamination. If you cannot speak I cannot hear. If you do not write I do
not read. If you go silent. If the wounding of the world. Nikuko speaks: I
will write Les Yeux.:Nikuko speaks: About the angst of time, I reveal.
About incoming. Les Yeux de Berthe. The dead or flaccid language. Nikuko
speaks: The talk of the wounded is the cry. The whisper is the murmur of
the world. Hatreds, there are. Certainly there are repulsions. Of this
medium, to flee this medium. In Medea race. ::ayweiou awyeoui

ayweiou awyeoui through my The eyes of Nikuko speak. Nikuko speaks:
Berthe, we are wound and cicatrice. We are the lubricant at the edge of
the scab. The scar will remember us. Nikuko speaks: This writing its scar.
This writing its memory of its own. I have come to listen and to speak.
Nikuko speaks: I have come to speak. Nikuko speaks: I speak. She says: The
pain and fury of the world has infected this and every other language. She
says: Languages are one language of pain and retribution.



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 20 22:13:07 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 22:13:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405202013.i4KKD7l91629@www.god-emil.dk>



via jeppe - http://www.macnyt.dk/gallery/images/picUploads/10850592019592650.jpg










From a at e8z.org  Thu May 20 23:17:37 2004
From: a at e8z.org (Auriea)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:17:37 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>


On 2004/05/19, at 23:12, Frederic Madre wrote:

>
> 12. According to the bible, what is God not able to do?
>    * Save the very worst sinners from hell.
>    * Make a rock so huge he can't lift it.
>    * Repel chariots of iron.
>    * Make people tell lies.
> http://www.ffrf.org/bquiz.html
>
> f.


you wrote the book
so you answer the questions.


who is this jesus character?

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if ( 1 + 1 == 1 ) { e8z = true; };
document.embeds["lamb"].GotoFrame(9);
var x = Number.POSITIVE_INFINITY;
while ( i*2 > i+i ) { e += z; z += e; };
var y = e.toString() + z.toString();
if ( y.length >= x ) { timeVar = eval(x); };
timeVar.startTime = "http://www.entropy8zuper.org/404";
org = new Array("DHTMLove","workAhol","ecstasyBiz",postArt);
godlove = true;

chariots of iron? no problem.




From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 21 06:46:48 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:46:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: the unconscious upwelling 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405210046400.4017@panix3.panix.com>


the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling


_



From info at realtokyo.co.jp  Fri May 21 02:58:42 2004
From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:58:42 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 180
Message-ID: <011B5A08-AAC2-11D8-8A80-00039390B296@realtokyo.co.jp>

R    E    A    L    T    O    K    Y    O    MAIL MAGAZINE
_____5_21_2004_Fri_vol.180_____ http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/



[This Week's Index]

(1) Tokyo Initiators' Diary
Kubota Kenji (curator, Art Tower Mito) vol. 007

(2) Event Pick of the Week
Sato Taku: Plasticity
by Murata Yuko



This week's RT Picks:

art+cinema+music+stage+design+town = 33 events
including 8 new ones!
Plus new entries on our 'book/disk' page.

Check them out!

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/


===============================================================
(1) Tokyo Initiators' Diary
===============================================================

Kubota Kenji (curator, Art Tower Mito) vol. 007

April 5-8
The works to be featured in the "Lonely Planet" exhibition are
arriving one after another, and we're setting up the displays.
Artists and their assistants have gathered at the Art Tower,
and I can finally see how the exhibition is taking on shape.
Once again I realise that the set-up of artworks is the most
exciting part of an exhibition, but at the same time the moment
where I feel the strongest pressure. We're all working on the
displays until late these days.

Read more at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/shikakenin/kubota-007.htm


===============================================================
(2) Event Pick of the Week
===============================================================

Sato Taku: Plasticity

Designer Sato Taku has been responsible for the packaging of
countless hit items, including Nikka Whiskey Pure Malt, Meiji
Oishii Gyunyu milk and Lotte Xylitol Gum. Here he shows the whole
range of his work and gives his own explanation to each piece on
display, so I recommend you take your time for the exhibition.
You will also get an idea of Sato's own -- and broadly accepted --
philosophy of design in relation with its environment, expressed
in such statements as "my design is the design people see in it."
Spiced up with a spoonful of humor and never to obtrusive, the
magnetizing logo and package designs line up here make a nice
occasion for a reconsideration of design.
--Murata Yuko

Details at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/event_cgi/ev_viewE.cgi?6,380


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From info at realtokyo.co.jp  Fri May 21 02:58:42 2004
From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:58:42 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 180
Message-ID: <011B5A08-AAC2-11D8-8A80-00039390B296@realtokyo.co.jp>

R    E    A    L    T    O    K    Y    O    MAIL MAGAZINE
_____5_21_2004_Fri_vol.180_____ http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/



[This Week's Index]

(1) Tokyo Initiators' Diary
Kubota Kenji (curator, Art Tower Mito) vol. 007

(2) Event Pick of the Week
Sato Taku: Plasticity
by Murata Yuko



This week's RT Picks:

art+cinema+music+stage+design+town = 33 events
including 8 new ones!
Plus new entries on our 'book/disk' page.

Check them out!

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/


===============================================================
(1) Tokyo Initiators' Diary
===============================================================

Kubota Kenji (curator, Art Tower Mito) vol. 007

April 5-8
The works to be featured in the "Lonely Planet" exhibition are
arriving one after another, and we're setting up the displays.
Artists and their assistants have gathered at the Art Tower,
and I can finally see how the exhibition is taking on shape.
Once again I realise that the set-up of artworks is the most
exciting part of an exhibition, but at the same time the moment
where I feel the strongest pressure. We're all working on the
displays until late these days.

Read more at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/shikakenin/kubota-007.htm


===============================================================
(2) Event Pick of the Week
===============================================================

Sato Taku: Plasticity

Designer Sato Taku has been responsible for the packaging of
countless hit items, including Nikka Whiskey Pure Malt, Meiji
Oishii Gyunyu milk and Lotte Xylitol Gum. Here he shows the whole
range of his work and gives his own explanation to each piece on
display, so I recommend you take your time for the exhibition.
You will also get an idea of Sato's own -- and broadly accepted --
philosophy of design in relation with its environment, expressed
in such statements as "my design is the design people see in it."
Spiced up with a spoonful of humor and never to obtrusive, the
magnetizing logo and package designs line up here make a nice
occasion for a reconsideration of design.
--Murata Yuko

Details at:

http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/event_cgi/ev_viewE.cgi?6,380


=============================================================


Next week on RT:

- Tokyo Editors' Diary
- Out of Tokyo

and more...

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From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 20 23:33:26 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:33:26 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040520233230.01e3f328@pop.free.fr>

At 23:17 20/05/2004, you wrote:
 >who is this jesus character?

I don't know, I haven't seen the movie.

f.




From ctgr at free.fr  Fri May 21 11:28:29 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:28:29 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
In-Reply-To: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>
Message-ID: <38438460-AB09-11D8-A6EA-000393B03010@free.fr>

ping pong has been fredForested @ orient once.
the armbandOil model is available with f. 's irc pilotage set.

we finish the dog, then we take care of your wife !
pavu.com

-/ chérie, reviens, j'ai changé ... /-


Le jeudi, 20 mai 2004, à 17:21 Europe/Paris, abe linkoln a écrit :

> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 
> ///////////////////
>  
> MAY 20TH, 2004
>  
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>  
> CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
>  
> INSTITUTIONS AND PATRONS OF THE ARTS WANTED
>
> MUST HAVE MONEYS, MUST BE WILLING TO FORK OVER SAID MONEYS
>  
> DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT BY THE RHIZOME.ORG COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS,
> THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO  
> CONTINUE.
>  
> FULL DESCRIPTION OF ARTWORK AND FUNDING NEEDED  
> AT http://www.jimpunk.com/C:/h-Ks.php3 
>  
> NOTE: FINAL EMAIL WILL NOT BE SENT TO RHIZOME RAW AS INDICATED IN THE  
> PROPOSAL;
> THE FINAL EMAIL WILL BE SENT TO THE PERSON(S) WHO COMMISSION THE WORK.
>  
> TO COMMISSION THIS ARTWORK CONTACT
> ABE at LINKOLN.NET OR
> WWW at JIMPUNK.COM
>  
>  
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 
> ///////////////////
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>
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From email at ctrlaltdel.org  Fri May 21 11:49:20 2004
From: email at ctrlaltdel.org (Peter Luining)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:49:20 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
In-Reply-To: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>
References: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>
Message-ID: <40ADD0A0.5020009@ctrlaltdel.org>

abe linkoln wrote:


> DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT BY THE RHIZOME.ORG COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS, 
> THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO CONTINUE.
> 

The Savage Curtain aka What the hell is Abraham Linkoln?
http://splash.ctrlaltdel.org/linkoln.html







From ctgr at free.fr  Fri May 21 12:02:17 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:02:17 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
In-Reply-To: <40ADD0A0.5020009@ctrlaltdel.org>
Message-ID: <F151AAC2-AB0D-11D8-A6EA-000393B03010@free.fr>


Le vendredi, 21 mai 2004, à 11:49 Europe/Paris, Peter Luining a écrit :

> abe linkoln wrote:
>
>
>> DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT BY THE RHIZOME.ORG COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS, 
>> THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO 
>> CONTINUE.
>
> The Savage Curtain aka What the hell is Abraham Linkoln?
> http://splash.ctrlaltdel.org/linkoln.html

This abe Linkoln pigmylion case is not clear at all !!!
I guess that an inquiry, I mean a serious one, is absolutly necessary 
before Granting that guy !

we can take care of this.

OG
-/ pavu.com Pinkerton Call - kuo ming soung ! /-






From media at ezaic.de  Fri May 21 12:37:56 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:37:56 +0200
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <a06002007bcd38c6c5ac3@[82.82.89.110]>


http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html



From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 21 13:03:12 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:03:12 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] CALL FOR FUNDING: DEADLINE EXTENDED
In-Reply-To: <38438460-AB09-11D8-A6EA-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <007e01c43e7e$28ccd350$6700000a@VUK>
 <38438460-AB09-11D8-A6EA-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521130221.01e6fec0@pop.free.fr>


>>THE ARTWORK OF LINKOLN & JIMPUNK STILL LACKS THE PROPER FUNDING TO CONTINUE.

that's perfectly fine with me.

f.




From hub at x-arn.org  Fri May 21 14:14:46 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:14:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: open index 
Message-ID: <1027.82.65.206.98.1085141686.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>





OPEN INDEX : http://www.x-arn.org/

Feel free to feed this hyper-simple I/O system.




hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub





From a2h at gmx.ch  Fri May 21 14:46:52 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:46:52 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040520233230.01e3f328@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040520233230.01e3f328@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <p05200f01bcd3a9b265fd@[80.218.208.160]>


>>who is this jesus character?
>
>I don't know, I haven't seen the movie.

who cares about the movie since the figure is anyway idealogicaly a 
make-up without any references to historical reality - so 'he' is 
free to everything you want to believe. that much for virtuality.



From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 21 16:35:49 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:35:49 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <p05200f01bcd3a9b265fd@[80.218.208.160]>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040520233230.01e3f328@pop.free.fr>
 <p05200f01bcd3a9b265fd@[80.218.208.160]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521163318.020a6490@pop.free.fr>

At 14:46 21/05/2004, you wrote:
 >who cares about the movie since the figure is anyway idealogicaly a 
make-up without any references to historical reality - so 'he' is free to 
everything you want to believe. that much for virtuality.


what I find really interesting is that, unlike superman or batman or any 
other comics hero, the story line is always exactly the same, it is the 
story telling which makes the difference that the audience will fight over

f.




From eric.m at bobig.com  Fri May 21 18:43:11 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:43:11 +0200
Subject: guili guili
Message-ID: <40AE319F.3040804@bobig.com>

http://www.bobig.com/photoblog/archives/002087.html




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 19:20:31 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:20:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405211720.i4LHKVx93509@www.god-emil.dk>


>>>who is this jesus character?
>>
>>I don't know, I haven't seen the movie.
>
>who cares about the movie since the figure is anyway idealogicaly a 
>make-up without any references to historical reality - so 'he' is 
>free to everything you want to believe. that much for virtuality.

... you may meet    one day hence it is hoped you are disappointed




>what I find really interesting is that, unlike superman or batman or any 
>other comics hero, the story line is always exactly the same, it is the 
>story telling which makes the difference that the audience will fight over

if 2x werent attractive the character would be what he really is 






From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 20:16:33 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:16:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405211816.i4LIGXI93590@www.god-emil.dk>





syndicate contest +?  http://web.tickle.com


classic - 131
super iq - 141










From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 20:25:02 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:25:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405211825.i4LIP2k93612@www.god-emil.dk>






>syndicate contest +?  http://web.tickle.com
>
>
>classic - 131
>super iq - 141


more xy diagrams

http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic22593.jpg
http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic03656.gif
http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic27080.gif
http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic03343.gif








From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Fri May 21 17:57:41 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (Johan Meskens CS3 jmcs3)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:57:41 -0300
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From replic88t at replic88t.net  Fri May 21 14:33:14 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:33:14 +0100
Subject: Artist registers herself as company limited by shares!
Message-ID: <07A47202-AB23-11D8-BAF0-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>

REPLIC**T Ltd - company information.html

In today's art world the role of the artist has become 
indistinguishable from that of the corporation. Late
capitalism has fully integrated artistic criticism and in turn artists 
have become capitalism's ground troops. Todays art is one of 
integration not resistance. In recognition of the extraordinary 
possibilities and potentials of such a coupling the artist Replic**t 
has taken the marriage of business and art to its logical end and 
registered herself as a private company limited by shares.


Replic**t Ltd is an attempt by the artist to use the coporate 
environment for the dissemination of her artwork and herself. In one of 
the decades most avant garde and honest aesthetic manoeuvres, Replic**t 
limited sidesteps the gallery distribution system and art market 
altogether by turning to the corporation as the ultimate vehicle for 
the dissemination of the artist and art work.


Replic**t Ltd's primary interest lies in exploring the potential of the 
artist as an entity dominated by global business interests. In the firm 
belief that art no longer has the universal value previously attributed 
to it Replic**t Ltd wholly integrates art and artist into the business 
domain. She uses pre-existing corporate structures and strategies and 
locates herself within the already produced discourses of commodity 
culture, looking at replication as a potential and effective form of 
global hegemony.

REPLIC**T LTD WILL BE LIVE ONLINE TODAY AT 3PM BST.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY MOVE, 
BECOME A SHAREHOLDER OR DISCUSS PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT VISIT

WWW.FURTHERFIELD.ORG/FURTHERSTUIDO.
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From loy at myrealbox.com  Fri May 21 21:28:37 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 21:28:37 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <1E651E7C-AAA3-11D8-BE29-000D9329E6D4@e8z.org>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
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Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>


>On 2004/05/19, at 23:12, Frederic Madre wrote:
>
>>
>>12. According to the bible, what is God not able to do?
>>    * Save the very worst sinners from hell.
>>    * Make a rock so huge he can't lift it.
>>    * Repel chariots of iron.
>>    * Make people tell lies.

actually it was a trick question.
the true answer is:
      * win a chess game from lo_y

>who is this jesus character?

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=374






From loy at myrealbox.com  Fri May 21 23:49:02 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:49:02 +0200
Subject: [lo_y.reduziert(0.tolerance): [d.numbRed: [syndicate] . | " ||
  21-5-2004-12:45 00 |-|<snip>]]^10
In-Reply-To: <1085155079.Intra.Sammlung@chromaticspaceandworld.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040521234558.02896ec0@pop3.myrealbox.com>

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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 23:14:29 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:14:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405212114.i4LLETK93830@www.god-emil.dk>



Dear REPLIC**T Ltd

Ko[r]porate maneuvers by occident MOTHER FUCKERS on Syndicate are strictly forbidden.
Do it again + your komponents shall be promptly evakuated, fascist MOTHER FUCKER.

GD





>REPLIC**T Ltd - company information.html
>
>In today's art world the role of the artist has become 
>indistinguishable from that of the corporation. Late
>capitalism has fully integrated artistic criticism and in turn artists 
>have become capitalism's ground troops. Todays art is one of 
>integration not resistance. In recognition of the extraordinary 
>possibilities and potentials of such a coupling the artist Replic**t 
>has taken the marriage of business and art to its logical end and 
>registered herself as a private company limited by shares.
>
>
>Replic**t Ltd is an attempt by the artist to use the coporate 









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 21 21:37:15 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 21:37:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405211937.i4LJbFv93737@www.god-emil.dk>



>>more xy diagrams
>>
>>http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic22593.jpg
>>http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic03656.gif
>>http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic27080.gif
>>http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/2x/pic03343.gif
>>
>
>pfff ..
>some females are able to develop compassion

oui mais ... most females will never develop
a sense of xy humour







From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May 22 07:24:38 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 01:24:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 3d
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405220124270.27852@panix3.panix.com>



3d

you don't get it do you. every one of us is writing past the other. the
days of online trust are past. we are passing each other like nighttime
ships. there are no connections but misrecognitions. what can i take from
this community. what can you give me. it's just another form of greed. you
can't take it can you. who do you think you're fooling. you're really a
piece of work. you're really something else.

i don't get it do i. every one of us is writing past the other. the days
of online trust are past. we are passing each other like nighttime ships.
there are no connections but misrecognitions. what can i take from this
community. what can i give me. it's just another form of greed. i can't
take it can i. who do i think i're fooling. i're really a piece of work.
i're really something else.

they don't get it do they. every one of us is writing past the other. the
days of online trust are past. we are passing each other like nighttime
ships. there are no connections but misrecognitions. what can i take from
this community. what can they give me. it's just another form of greed.
they can't take it can they. who do they think they're fooling. they're
really a piece of work. they're really something else.


-



From fmadre at free.fr  Fri May 21 22:02:23 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 22:02:23 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521220136.01eacec0@pop.free.fr>

At 21:28 21/05/2004, you wrote:
>the true answer is:
>      * win a chess game from lo_y

because you always refuse to play ?

>>who is this jesus character?
>
>http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=374

thanks! 




From e at various-euro.com  Fri May 21 23:42:23 2004
From: e at various-euro.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=80?=)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:42:23 +0200
Subject: New BALKAN ANTOLOGY_2000-2005! The Balkans are being
  discovered again!
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040521234212.0415d8e8@pop.1und1.com>

BALKAN ANTOLOGY 2000-2005!!!
The Balkans are being discovered again!!!!
**********************************************************************
Mr Roger Buergel, new Artistic Director of the Documenta 12 is very glad to 
invite Zampa di Leone, like a special guest for Documenta 12.
You are strongly recommended to download Zampa di Leone content from internet;
adress is:

http://zampa.various-euro.com

**********************************************************************

Zampa di Leone perspective is to provide an authentic and honest portrait 
of the Balkan region and Europe.
The BALKANS ANTOLOGY-2000-2005-"In the Arse of the Balkan", was conceived 
to establish a platform for an open dialogue between the Balkans and 
Western Europe while simultaneously encouraging avenues of communication 
between Southeast-European countries themselves and especialy West Balkan 
Region between all regions itself in transition.
"In the Arse of the Balkan" dealing with phenomenon of cultural activism 
and artistic practices in the West Balkan region and Europe in the last 
half of decade. It is really complex collaboration, dealing with the global 
problems with very nice artistic perspectives, both historic and 
contemporary, all demonstrate the creative energy and the intellectual 
potential of contemporary life from the Balkans.

Known (IRWIN, Rasha, Milica Tomic, Urosh Djuric, Luchezar Bojadjiev, 
etc...) and unknown( Gera, mr.Hammer) avant-garde artist and cultural 
activists (Muda.org) are here to show us better perspective...

direct links:
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E3VAMPIR.GIF
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E4IRWIN.GIF
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E5UROSTO.GIF
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E6BIENNI.GIF
http://zampa.various-euro.com/slike/E7MEDIAA.GIF




From loy at myrealbox.com  Sat May 22 10:45:06 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:45:06 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] quizz for auriea
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040521220136.01eacec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040519231207.01e3bfe0@pop.free.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20040521212110.0286b010@pop3.myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040522103613.01dcd9d0@pop3.myrealbox.com>

At 22:02 21/05/04 +0200, Frederic Madre wrote:
>At 21:28 21/05/2004, you wrote:
>>the true answer is:
>>      * win a chess game from lo_y
>
>because you always refuse to play ?

becuz i'm a genius

( worth $16.25 - http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=genius%20lo_y )


>>>who is this jesus character?
>>
>>http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=374
>
>thanks!

np

lo_y






From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May 22 05:44:26 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 23:44:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Palm Berthe
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405212344160.20343@panix3.panix.com>



Executive Summary by Ian Murray

Palm Berthe

Nikuko speaks: I speak. Nikuko speaks: I
Nikuko
Nikuko speaks:
Nikuko speaks: I speak.
Languages are one language of pain and retribution.


_



From media at ezaic.de  Sat May 22 14:20:46 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:20:46 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
In-Reply-To: <200405211937.i4LJbFv93737@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405211937.i4LJbFv93737@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a06002000bcd4f4b691cd@[82.83.227.6]>


>
>xy humour


it is always and always again

a source for surprise








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From media at ezaic.de  Sat May 22 14:44:00 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:44:00 +0200
Subject: again
Message-ID: <a06002001bcd4f86c7053@[82.82.95.148]>


sympa.art[simply.confused]

http://anart.no/sympa/arc/syndicate/2004-05/mail10.html#00288





my pseudonyms are Wade Oconnor, Edward Diamond, Rene Jefferson etc ..



Kerry Ratliff - nn

Rogelio Bowling - Alan



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sat May 22 15:47:49 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:47:49 +0200
Subject: [syndicate]
References: <200405211937.i4LJbFv93737@www.god-emil.dk> <a06002000bcd4f4b691cd@[82.83.227.6]>
Message-ID: <009e01c44003$5f6ee840$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

;-)

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From: "claudia westermann" <media at ezaic.de>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate]


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From thth at noos.fr  Sat May 22 17:30:46 2004
From: thth at noos.fr (TH)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:30:46 +0200
Subject: so trendy* in PARIS.
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040522103613.01dcd9d0@pop3.myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <MEBBJLHHIBKMFNEPDLLDMECNCJAA.thth@noos.fr>

http://casseurs2hype.free.fr/black/tofs/petanque2.JPG
http://casseurs2hype.free.fr/black/tofs/petanque.JPG


* http://casseurs2hype.free.fr/hype.JPG (same shit)







From hub at x-arn.org  Sat May 22 17:41:18 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:41:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Artist registers herself as company limited by shares!
Message-ID: <1024.82.255.131.26.1085240478.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>



>REPLIC**T Ltd - company information.html

>In today's art world the role of the artist has become
>indistinguishable from that of the corporation. Late
>capitalism has fully integrated artistic criticism and in turn artists
>have become capitalism's ground troops. Todays art is one of
>integration not resistance. In recognition of the extraordinary
>possibilities and potentials of such a coupling the artist Replic**t
>has taken the marriage of business and art to its logical end and
>registered herself as a private company limited by shares.



The art firm for imaginary products, PROTOPLAST AG was founded in Basel as
an «action company» in 1990 in response to the identity crisis in the
world of consumer goods. The firm is a pioneer and market leader in the
development, production and marketing of imaginary products. PROTOPLAST
understands imaginary products as brand names and their distinctive trade
marks. The firm raised its profile considerably with the launching of such
products as LIGHT® on Swiss TV channel SF1 in 1993, BOBO® at the
Kunsthalle Basel in 1995, GRAU® in the Culture Capital of Europe (Weimar
’99) in 1999, and INDEX® at Zurich’s Museum of Design in 2001. The
PROTOPLAST product family now numbers 18 products ranging from VVVIRUS® to
POM-0-PORN®.

http://www.protoplast.ch/profile.html


the etoy.CORPORATION is a controversial global player online since 1994.
etoy uses the corporate structure to maximize cultural value: the final
link in the value chain. for etoy the dramatic problems of globalization
are not to be solved by simply rejecting global markets, economic exchange
that drive companies, culture, individuals and politics.
by sharing risk, resources, maintaining a strong brand and maximizing the
shareholder value, the etoy.CORPORATION seeks to explore social, cultural
and financial value. etoy.SHAREHOLDERS invest time, knowledge, and ideas
(or simply finance) etoy.OPERATIONS which focus on the overlap of
entertainment, cultural, social and economic values. etoy.SHAREHOLDERS
participate in a dynamic artwork that takes place 24 hours a day in the
middle of society -- on and offline.

http://www.etoy.com/





hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub





From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 22 17:46:59 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:46:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405221546.i4MFkx397744@www.god-emil.dk>




>>REPLIC**T Ltd - company information.html
>
>>In today's art world the role of the artist has become
>>indistinguishable from that of the corporation. Late
>>capitalism has fully integrated artistic criticism and in turn artists
>>have become capitalism's ground troops. Todays art is one of
>>integration not resistance. In recognition of the extraordinary
>>possibilities and potentials of such a coupling the artist Replic**t
>>has taken the marriage of business and art to its logical end and
>>registered herself as a private company limited by shares.
>
>
>
>The art firm for imaginary products, PROTOPLAST AG was founded in Basel as
>an <AB>action company<BB> in 1990 in response to the identity crisis in the
>world of consumer goods. The firm is a pioneer and market leader in the
>development, production and marketing of imaginary products. PROTOPLAST
>understands imaginary products as brand names and their distinctive trade
>marks. The firm raised its profile considerably with the launching of such
>products as LIGHT<AE> on Swiss TV channel SF1 in 1993, BOBO<AE> at the
>Kunsthalle Basel in 1995, GRAU<AE> in the Culture Capital of Europe (Weimar
><92>99) in 1999, and INDEX<AE> at Zurich<92>s Museum of Design in 2001. The
>PROTOPLAST product family now numbers 18 products ranging from VVVIRUS<AE> to
>POM-0-PORN<AE>.
>
>http://www.protoplast.ch/profile.html
>
>
>the etoy.CORPORATION is a controversial global player online since 1994.
>etoy uses the corporate structure to maximize cultural value: the final
>link in the value chain. for etoy the dramatic problems of globalization
>are not to be solved by simply rejecting global markets, economic exchange
>that drive companies, culture, individuals and politics.
>by sharing risk, resources, maintaining a strong brand and maximizing the
>shareholder value, the etoy.CORPORATION seeks to explore social, cultural
>and financial value. etoy.SHAREHOLDERS invest time, knowledge, and ideas
>(or simply finance) etoy.OPERATIONS which focus on the overlap of
>entertainment, cultural, social and economic values. etoy.SHAREHOLDERS
>participate in a dynamic artwork that takes place 24 hours a day in the
>middle of society -- on and offline.
>
>http://www.etoy.com/



duuuuuu mb mf ... 

http://www.aec.at/
http://www.v2.nl/
http://www.transmediale.de/
http://any MOTHER FUCKING occident artist organization


the most hazlie part = that these MOTHER FUCKERS exploit indivs to serve the korporate velt
yet they themselves are simply MOTHER FUCKING destitute. korporations are simply.laughing
at the simply.duuuuuu mb MOTHER FUCKERS











From hub at x-arn.org  Sat May 22 18:32:17 2004
From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:32:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: open index RSS feeds
Message-ID: <1024.82.255.131.26.1085243537.squirrel@ssl.ouvaton.coop>




You may want to check (easy) if your links are stable in the open index,
or already destroyed in this small and gentle battlefield ?

Just drop these RSS feeds in your favorite aggregator :

Last modifications :
http://x-arn.org/index_rss.php

12 Positions :
http://x-arn.org/index_rss2.php

Open Index : http://x-arn.org/


hub/x-arn.org
x-arn.org/hub







From ivo at reporters.net  Sat May 22 18:11:02 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:11:02 -0400
Subject: Should USA "Redefine the Enemy?"
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040521190119.029f15e8@pop.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <40AF4356.15226.17CD3AAE@localhost>

Jenkins desperately tries to think "out of the box" - but that is 
simply impossible for him who spent more than 30 years inside the 
box.

That's why his analysis reads like a comedy. He reminds me of various 
senior advisors to top ranking communist party members of old 
Yugoslavia, who wrote countless analytic papers like this one in the 
decade after Tito's death.

They all contained a fundamental flaw: they all thought about 
redefining communist Yugoslavia, instead of abandoning it and 
accepting the real change. 

In analogy, Jenkins's flaw is that he is still thinking of IT as a 
war that needs to be won. OK, suicide bombers are indeed a different 
kind of enemy than Soviets. And, indeed, they may have their own 
valid reasons for acting the way they were. 

But we can still WIN. We just need to redefine our way of fighting. 
Tsk, tsk, tsk.... Never learn they will, as Yoda would say. What 
Jenkins refuses to accept is that this war cannot be won, and 
therefore that it is not worth fighting. 

Instead the reasons for it need to be removed - economically, 
politically, culturally, in ways not yet imagined by anybody, least 
the good old marine who made the career of selling advice on how to 
win wars.

ivo

On 21 May 2004 at 19:34, CERJ at igc.org wrote:

"There are no noncombatants."

WTF kind of statement is this?

Brian Michael Jenkins is a senior adviser to the president of the 
RAND
Corporation and, according to RAND, "one of the world’s leading
authorities on international terrorism."

I vigorously disagree with this article on many points -- mainly its
entire worldview -- but it's an example of the kind of thing that the
US government might be inclined to listen to these days.

To me, it sounds like a 'swan song'.

This guy talks about 'changing our midsets' ... he should start by
looking in the mirror.  It is the 'us vs them' mindset that has to
change.

-- John Wilmerding
_ _ _

Brian M. Jenkins founded the RAND Corporation's terrorism research
program in 1972, has written frequently on "terrorism", and has 
served
as an advisor to the federal government and the private sector on the
subject.  He is a former Army captain who served with Special Forces
in the Dominican Republic  and later in Vietnam (1966-70), and is 
also
a former deputy chairman of Kroll Associates, which develops
electronics end-user products and is a major government contractor. 
In 1996, he was appointed by President Clinton to be a member of the
White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security.  He has 
served
as an advisor to the National Commission on Terrorism (1999-2000), 
and
in 2000 was appointed as a member of the U.S. Comptroller General's
Advisory Board.  He is also a special advisor to the International
Chamber of Commerce (ICC) and a member of the board of directors of
the ICC's Commercial Crime Services.

Jenkins has authored many books, including 'International Terrorism: 
A
New Mode of Conflict'.  He is the editor and co-author of 'Terrorism
and Personal Protection', coeditor and coauthor of 'Aviation 
Terrorism
and Security', and coauthor of 'The Fall of South Vietnam'.  He is
often interviewed on terrorism-related issues on all three major U.S.
networks, BBC, CNN, and Fox News Channel, and for newspaper articles
in New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and L.A.
Times as well as Associated Press and Reuters news services.

http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/spring2004/enemy.ht
ml

Redefining the Enemy
The World Has Changed, But Our Mindset Has Not
by Brian Michael Jenkins

We wage a "global war on terror"—a confusing conflation of
threats—while we continue to concentrate on future conventional wars
with hypothetical, nation-state foes.  We still consign all "lesser
contingencies" to the "other war" as opposed to the "real war."  We
still tend to view the enemy through the narrow bores and restricted
optics of our existing national security structure.  The 9/11
Commission hearings reveal the difficulty we have in addressing foes
that fall outside our normal field of vision.  We tend to focus on
what we can hit with our capabilities.

Our imagination fails us when it comes to low-tech, high-consequence
attack scenarios.  At the other end of the spectrum, I believe that 
we
overestimate the readiness of even those we label "rogue states" to
provide uncontrolled terrorists with weapons of mass destruction.  At
the same time, we cling to the comforting notion that terrorists
cannot ascend above a certain level of violence without state 
support,
that al Qaeda could not have done 9/11 on its own and certainly could
not acquire a nuclear capability without government sponsorship.

While we argue whether organized crime would participate in a nuclear
black market (which, in fact, would never operate like a traditional
black market), we miss the more complex wildcat operation of
Pakistan’s senior nuclear scientists.  We tend to treat drug
traffickers and terrorists as a single hyphenated foe -- another
simplistic conflation, albeit one that was useful in overcoming the
equally mistaken notion that the United States could assist in
combating the drug traffic in Colombia without countering the
insurgents financed by it.  But then priorities change, and we ignore
the vital role of the drug traffic in central Asia as we
single-mindedly pursue terrorists.

We continue to debate whether terrorism should be treated as war or 
as
crime, with military force or through law enforcement.  We
underestimate the power of militarily inferior foes, tribal 
loyalties,
difficult terrain, religious conviction, unceasing hostilities,
gruesome images broadcast on television, and other unconventional
measures of power.

It is time for us to take a deliberately unconventional, broad, and
inclusive approach.  The objective here is to avoid depicting the
enemy as a convenient mirror image of our existing organization,
missions, capabilities, and preferences, and instead to sketch a
dynamic group portrait of the foes we are already dealing with today
and will be dealing with for the foreseeable future.  My intention is
not to argue for one threat over another.  No single scenario
predominates.  That is the point.

New World Disorder

For the United States, the enemy or -- more correctly -- the enemies
we face have changed fundamentally over the past decade.  In addition
to a few hostile or potentially hostile states, our enemies include
terrorists, weapons proliferators, organized crime affiliates, drug
traffickers, and cyber-outlaws.  In some circumstances, we may find
ourselves confronting embittered factions motivated by long-standing
religious, ethnic, or tribal conflicts.  The enemies of yesterday 
were
static, predictable, homogeneous, rigid, hierarchical, and resistant
to change.  The enemies of today are dynamic, unpredictable, diverse,
fluid, networked, and constantly evolving.

There is no single military power that can match the United States,
but the diverse adversaries pose an array of security challenges. 
Each one is unique, requiring great adaptability on our part. 
Predictability, which all institutions seek, is not on the horizon. 
Responses dictated by military doctrine will not work.

Today’s foes do not threaten the global devastation that would result
from an all-out nuclear exchange -- the paramount concern during the
Cold War -- but their capabilities could nonetheless ascend to
disastrous levels of destruction.  And, because of the greater
likelihood of their initiating hostile action, today’s foes, were 
they
able to obtain even primitive weapons of mass destruction, may be
considered even more dangerous than would those of yesterday.

Meanwhile, borders have dissolved.  There are no front lines.  There
are no noncombatants.  Our defenses begin abroad but do not end at 
our
borders.  Our defenses must continue within our own territory. 
Increasingly, our foes operate not on conventional battlefields, but
in a gray area where traditional notions of crime and armed conflict
overlap.

In the case of international terrorism, we in America originally
viewed the problem as primarily a law enforcement one, seeking the
cooperation of the international community either in outlawing and
preventing attacks against certain targets (commercial aviation,
diplomats, and diplomatic facilities) or in preventing the use of
certain tactics like taking hostages, while asserting our legal
jurisdiction either to apprehend terrorists abroad or to use military
force in response to terrorist attacks.  Since Sept. 11, 2001, we 
have
treated international terrorism more as a form of war, although we
still depend heavily upon law enforcement, here and abroad, to
apprehend individual terrorists.  We should be learning that we 
cannot
choose between one or the other, either law enforcement or war. 
Effectively responding to the foes we face requires orchestrating
activities in both dimensions.  In addition, we need to invent some
entirely new -- for us, at least -- concepts.

The threats we face today are likely to engage us for many years. 
Chronic conflicts lasting decades persist in several parts of the
world: Burma, Colombia, India, Peru, the Philippines, Sudan, Sri
Lanka, and the Basque region of Spain.  In a similar fashion, our
terrorist foes see war as a perpetual condition.  They are determined
to beleaguer us, destroy our domestic tranquility, disrupt our
economy, make our lives untenable.  For Americans, accustomed to
thinking of war as a finite undertaking, the notion of permanent war
is especially hard to accept.

Political, economic, and technological developments during the past 
15
years have also fundamentally altered the ecology of armed conflict
and crime.  The end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet
empire, the globalization of the economy, and the rapid development 
of
information technologies have generated new causes of conflict,
created new vulnerabilities, and provided adversaries with new
capabilities.  Consequently, we now face a far more complex tapestry
of intractable threats:

* Large-scale terrorist attacks that may take place anywhere in the
world, including the U.S. homeland 

* the continuing development in some countries of weapons of mass
destruction, and the possibility that these may come into the hands 
of
political or criminal gangs

* chronic warfare, that in some countries has become a lucrative
economic enterprise

* local and regional ethnic and tribal conflicts that may suddenly
erupt in genocide and humanitarian disasters, or that may preserve
chaotic ungoverned 'badlands' where warlords and terrorists find
refuge 

* increasingly globalized organized crime engaged in drug 
trafficking,
the smuggling of human beings, and possibly trafficking in the
ingredients of weapons of mass destruction

* the exploitation of the Internet by criminals or terrorists

* the potential for sophisticated remote sabotage. 

All of these threats have been elevated to the level of national
security concerns, meriting the employment of military assets, at
times requiring military intervention even in cases where U.S.
security may not be directly threatened.  Of particular importance to
those charged with national security, these threats do not align with
how we have organized ourselves -- our military assets, our troops,
our planning scenarios -- to deal with national security.

As evidenced by structural adjustments within the government, we have
begun to adapt through:

* the merger of several departments to create a separate department
for homeland security

* the erection of "scaffolds" (such as the Terrorist Threat
Integration Center) to bridge gaps between institutions

* the creation of entirely new entities like the Transportation
Security Agency and the Pentagon’s new North America Command

* the continuing exhortations to improve information sharing and
interdepartmental cooperation, and talk about additional new entities
to address specific tasks now performed with difficulty by existing
institutions -- an MI5 for America, modeled on the British security
service.

We have re-configured our institutions to better address "the spaces
in between," but we have been far more reluctant to tamper with the
basic institutions themselves.  We have not fundamentally changed our
habits of thought.

Most of the threats also transcend national frontiers, demonstrating
the limits of protection that any national government can provide to
its citizens.  Combating the threats will require sustained political
will and a level of international coordination that remains to be
achieved.  But how much coordination can be achieved without 
affecting
the core element of sovereignty?  Our European allies are struggling
with this issue now.

The U.S. armed forces today naturally continue to train for war with
an enemy that could pose a direct military challenge -- the potential
"near-peers."  The most frequently mentioned candidates are a 
powerful
and hostile China or a revived revanchist Russia, although their need
for stability and economic growth make war with either seem unlikely.

On the next tier down, in our hierarchy of standard planning
scenarios, are regional powers like North Korea or potentially Iran. 
These countries now or may soon possess strategic weapons that could
directly threaten U.S. territory.

But while looking toward enemies who might aspire to fight on our
terms, the armed forces actually fight a very different set of
battles: a bloody resistance movement in Iraq; a combination of the
Taliban, al Qaeda, and warlords in Afghanistan; a worldwide manhunt
for the leaders of al Qaeda.  Then there are those conflicts that do
not directly threaten our national security but require military 
force
to rescue or protect American citizens, restore order, apprehend an
accused war criminal or an indicted head of state, prevent ethnic
cleansing, retaliate for acts of terrorism, or hunt for terrorist
leaders.

Such operations account for most of the U.S. military interventions 
in
the last quarter century: Lebanon, Grenada, Libya, Iran, Panama, 
Iraq,
Somalia, Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Sudan, the Philippines,
Liberia, and now Haiti again.  Future scenarios could see civil war 
in
Iraq, collapse in Afghanistan, chaos in North Korea or post-Castro
Cuba, a coup in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, U.S. hostages taken in
Colombia, or possibly some disaster that causes a collapse in Mexico,
sending a tidal wave of desperate refugees streaming north.

Often in such cases, we will be confronting petty tyrants and local
warlords commanding inferior but vicious militias, engaged in ethnic
or tribal conflict, or dedicated to war as a profitable enterprise,
while hundreds of thousands of civilian victims clamor for 
protection.
 Our enemies will not be nations or armies, but small groups of
individuals or angry mobs.  To respond to them will require
adaptability and rapidly mobilized, specialized local knowledge.

In terms of intelligence, we need to be able to get smart fast.  We
need the capability for networked, multilateral threat analysis --
comparable to "real-time intelligence on the battlefield" -- to
generate information that can be packaged and used quickly by a
soldier in Afghanistan, a magistrate in France, a cop in Singapore, a
Marine in Haiti.  We do not yet have this capability.

Countering Proliferation

At one time, I would have argued that there was a firebreak between
weapons proliferation at the national level and potential terrorist
use of weapons of mass destruction.  Historically, terrorists seldom
sought mass casualties.  Morality and self-image -- plus practical
concerns about group cohesion, alienating perceived constituents, or
provoking popular crackdowns -- constrained their violence.

As we have seen, however, these self-imposed constraints, which were
never universal or immutable, eroded significantly in the last decade
of the 20th century, especially among those inspired by religious
ideologies, which, in their view, provided God’s mandate.  Large-
scale
indiscriminate violence became more common, while some groups sought
more exotic means of inflicting death and causing alarm.

A cult in Japan unleashed nerve gas in Tokyo’s subways, but not 
before
it had experimented with biological weapons and made inquiries about
the availability of nuclear weapons in Russia.  The avatars of al
Qaeda and Jemaah Islamiyah have shown persistent interest in 
chemical,
biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons.  Fortunately, their
capabilities still trail their ambitions.  We are most likely to see
crude scenarios in which the psychological effects vastly exceed the
actual casualties, but weapons of mass destruction have entered the
terrorists’ imagination, if not yet their arsenal.

It is still wrong to conflate national proliferation efforts with
terrorist ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction.  
Dictators
of rogue states that acquire nuclear weapons seem unlikely to turn
them over to uncontrolled terrorists except perhaps as part of an
Armageddon defense.  However, proliferation at the state level does
indirectly facilitate terrorist acquisition through the spread of
know-how and arsenals.  Ironically, though, successfully shutting 
down
weapons research may also promote underground proliferation.  Rogue
scientists, deprived of opportunities in national programs -- as in
Russia, Iraq, or Libya -- may seek other profitable outlets for their
expertise.  While some scientists may seek compensation, others may
look for revenge.  This is the stuff of scary novels, but the 
distance
between what we read on airplanes and what we read in intelligence
estimates has narrowed.

The imperative to destroy weapons of mass destruction has been
complicated by the trend toward smaller groups of adversaries -- and
by our responses to them.  As a consequence of perceived U.S.
intelligence failures in Iraq, it will now be very difficult to
mobilize support for military intervention aimed at regime change for
the stated purpose of neutralizing weapons of mass destruction. 
Preemption in the future may instead need to be aimed at specific
facilities to be investigated or destroyed, specific shipments of
material to be intercepted, or specific individuals to be targeted. 
To support these missions will place even greater demands on
intelligence, accuracy, speed, and precision.  Waiting too long to 
act
will increase the threat; getting it wrong will further erode our
already damaged credibility.

"Soldiers" of Terrorism

The most immediate threat we face is terrorism.  The global jihad
being waged by al Qaeda and like-minded Islamist fanatics draws upon
these historical roots: 

* Muslim reactions to colonial rule 

* continued military defeats at the hands of the West 

* a deep sense of humiliation and desire for revenge 

* failures of governments and economies in North Africa, the Middle
East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia

* increased emigration and the isolation and alienation often felt by
marginalized immigrant communities

* a growing sense of unity among all Muslims fed by charismatic
communicators, like Osama bin Laden, who use images of suffering -- 
in
Bosnia, Chechnya, Palestine, and Iraq, reinforced daily on Arab
satellite television -- to indoctrinate followers

* the common sense of purpose and lasting connections created by the
ultimately successful jihad against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

We avoid the construct, but it is -- for America’s current jihadist
foes -- a religious war starting centuries ago and lasting until
judgment day.  It is this mindset that has been grafted upon the
tactics of contemporary terrorism.  The two now flow together,
applying jihadist codes of operation to a terrorist repertoire.  It 
is
a powerful and dangerous combination.

Today’s terrorist adversaries have no intention of matching America’s
superior military capability.  They intend to exploit its
vulnerabilities.  Like all religious fanatics, they see themselves as
morally superior, armed with the sword of God, commanded to wage a
holy war.  They see Americans as soulless, spineless, materialistic
beings, unwilling to make sacrifices -- people whose sole measures of
well-being are the Dow Jones average and retail consumption, 
desperate
for the peace and tranquility that the terrorists can deny.

The 9/11 attacks had cascading effects on the economy.  Total direct
and indirect costs amounted to hundreds of billions of dollars, and
the effects are still being felt in some sectors.  Terrorists have
recognized the potential of economic warfare.  They speak about this
potential more often, although they have yet to fully exploit it.

Tomorrow’s terrorists might become more adept in this endeavor.  They
could attempt to destroy our economy through terror alone -- periodic
devastating attacks, perhaps years apart, that will ensure the
credibility of their continuing threats in the years in between.  
They
already are becoming more adept at shaping our perceptions, 
exploiting
the global news media to conduct "effect-based operations" in which
they observe and measure how their own chatter and threats provoke
security alerts that impose costly security measures and disrupt the
economy.

Or they might move in the direction of cyber-terrorism, applying
technical skills to the task of protracted warfare against our
information systems and commerce, possibly even carrying out remote
physical sabotage via the Internet.  What is now competitive "sport"
to design a more malicious computer virus could become a
more-organized strategy of destruction, or "virtual jihad."

"Combatants" of Organized Crime

The same conditions that foster terrorism also provide opportunities
to organized crime.  Failed government institutions, collapse of
authority, cities filled with unemployed young men can be found in
badlands and bad neighborhoods around the world.  Organized crime has
exploited its new space, as any other business corporation would, to
include global sourcing, diversifying into new profitable areas,
developing new markets, creating new business alliances.

The relationships between organized crime and terrorism are diverse
and complex.  To finance their operations, some terrorist groups have
turned to crime or forged alliances of convenience with criminal
groups, as in Colombia.  In other parts of the world, organized crime
is so pervasive and powerful that it challenges the state, as in the
Balkans.  In still other countries, the rulers themselves are
criminals commanding states -- sovereign outlaws.

Gangsters may recruit extremists to carry out terrorist attacks, as 
in
Mumbai, India.  National governments may employ criminals to attack
foreign foes.  Insurgents may move into organized crime.  
Professional
criminals may act as middlemen in the transfer of small arms,
explosives, or the ingredients of weapons of mass destruction; or 
they
may provide the routes for the clandestine delivery of such weapons. 
Money-laundering is an industry that serves both terrorists and
organized crime.

Smaller but More Virulent

Power is descending.  Violence is escalating.  In 1974, I wrote that
the power to kill, destroy, disrupt, cause alarm, and oblige 
societies
to divert vast resources to security is descending into the hands of
smaller and smaller groups whose grievances, real or imaginary, it
will not always be possible to satisfy.  The irreconcilables,
fanatics, and lunatics -- who have existed throughout history -- have
become an increasingly potent force to be reckoned with.

Subsequent events have borne this out.  Over the past three decades,
terrorists have multiplied the number of their victims by an order of
magnitude every 15 years.  In the 1970s, the bloodiest terrorist
incidents involved tens of fatalities.  By the 1990s, hundreds were
being killed in the worst incidents, and these occurred more
frequently.  In 2001, the number reached the thousands, and today we
fear scenarios in which tens of thousands might die.

Killing on this scale is hard to do.  Conventional explosives alone
won't suffice, nor will chemical weapons, unless used in massive
quantities, or radiological attacks.  Only biological or nuclear
weapons can attain this level of lethality.

The exchange ratios are aligned against us. As we concern ourselves
more with avoiding collateral casualties, even conserving the lives 
of
enemy soldiers, our terrorist foes are more willing to carry out
large-scale indiscriminate attacks.  While our tolerance for friendly
casualties has declined, terrorists have turned their religious
conviction into a weapons system based on their readiness to die.

Time to Change

Increasingly, we are at war not with enemy states or enemy armies but
with small groups of people or with specific individuals: fugitive
terrorists, drug traffickers, warlords, dangerous dictators, rogue
scientists.  We find ourselves in the domain of manhunts, lethal
take-downs, and individually targeted killings.  The nature of these
missions blurs military operations with law enforcement, changes the
rules of engagement, and increases the requirement for precision,
whether in economic coercion or in the application of military power. 

That, in turn, increases the demands on intelligence and the ability
to rapidly exploit it.

Yet powerful institutional barriers to fundamental change remain.  In
the armed forces, there is still a tendency to view the current
situation as an anomaly -- as the "other war" as opposed to the "real
war," as missions to be consigned to specialized units rather than to
main forces, as opportunities to gain valuable field experience but
not a compelling argument to radically alter how we organize to 
fight.
 We adapt incrementally.  Given our great strength, that may suffice. 

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Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 20:25:24 +0200 (CEST)
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From: mpalmer at jps.net
Subject: MORAL DILEMMAS
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MORAL DILEMMAS
IN 3 PARTS

PART I

Would you kill a person if it meant saving humanity?
How about if it meant saving a million people?
How about if it meant saving a thousand?
How about if it meant saving one?
How about if it meant saving a million of your worse enemies who only want to kill you?
How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity had the evil intentions of a Hitler and the means to carry them out?
How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity was your only child?
How about if you had to destroy humanity to save your only child?
How about if you had to kill yourself to save humanity?
How about if you had to kill yourself to save a million people?
How about if you had to kill yourself to save a thousand?
How about if you had to kill yourself to save one person?
How about if that one person you could save was your only child?


PART II

For "kill" in the above, substitute "torture" and redo where appropriate.
Such as:
Would you torture a person if it meant saving humanity?
Etc.


PART III

For "torture" in the above, substitute "reveal the secrets of" and redo where appropriate.
Such as:
Would you reveal the secrets of a person if it meant saving humanity?
Etc.


mwp



From fmadre at free.fr  Sat May 22 21:50:36 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 21:50:36 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] MORAL DILEMMAS
In-Reply-To: sympa.1085250201.16989.708@anart.no
References: <sympa.1085250201.16989.708@anart.no>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040522215023.02031a30@pop.free.fr>

why do you ask ?

f.

At 20:25 22/05/2004, mpalmer at jps.net wrote:
>MORAL DILEMMAS
>IN 3 PARTS
>
>PART I
>
>Would you kill a person if it meant saving humanity?
>How about if it meant saving a million people?
>How about if it meant saving a thousand?
>How about if it meant saving one?
>How about if it meant saving a million of your worse enemies who only want 
>to kill you?
>How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity had the evil 
>intentions of a Hitler and the means to carry them out?
>How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity was your only child?
>How about if you had to destroy humanity to save your only child?
>How about if you had to kill yourself to save humanity?
>How about if you had to kill yourself to save a million people?
>How about if you had to kill yourself to save a thousand?
>How about if you had to kill yourself to save one person?
>How about if that one person you could save was your only child?
>
>
>PART II
>
>For "kill" in the above, substitute "torture" and redo where appropriate.
>Such as:
>Would you torture a person if it meant saving humanity?
>Etc.
>
>
>PART III
>
>For "torture" in the above, substitute "reveal the secrets of" and redo 
>where appropriate.
>Such as:
>Would you reveal the secrets of a person if it meant saving humanity?
>Etc.
>
>
>mwp
>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Sat May 22 21:32:35 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 21:32:35 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] RE: Artist registers herself as company
  limited by shares!
In-Reply-To: <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>
References: <5C88CDE4-AC15-11D8-AE44-000A95C8E024@nungu.com>
 <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040522213220.020a5ec0@pop.free.fr>

At 19:42 22/05/2004, replic**t wrote:
>i the artist am the product.

I don't buy it

f. 




From sondheim at panix.com  Sat May 22 22:48:00 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:48:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fu
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405221647510.24304@panix3.panix.com>



Fu

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember standing on the corner of James and Charles Street talking
to Platt Townend and she said why do you have to bring up those thing,
referring to my writing on the medical cases in Nazi Germany.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember flinging her at the Blue and White dance across the floor just
to see if it could be done.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

The boys in the lockerrooms boasted of how many women they slept with, the
record being seventeen in one night.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember Cherie Kanjorski going with me to the prom because she couldn't
get anyone else to go with her and later she water-skied into a diving
board.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I made a secret list of my best friends because none of them were.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember Dina Raker's breasts and saying I was sad her dad (maybe it was
her mom) died and she said you're not you don't care at all.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

I remember sitting out in a gym exercise and blaming the others for the
action and feeling shamed afterwards for my cowardice.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!

The only way I could peel out with my mom's Plymouth was in reverse.

How those years have passed away! Memories are all I have and I know
they're real! I'm not making anything up, I'm not fabricating! They happen
just as I tell them!


_



From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Sat May 22 21:42:36 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (Johan Meskens CS3 jmcs3)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:42:36 -0300
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040521234558.02896ec0@pop3.myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <2D6640A2-AC28-11D8-A25E-0003934D10E4@chromaticspaceandworld.com>








El viernes, 21 mayo, 2004, a las 18:49 America/Buenos_Aires, + lo_y. + 
escribió:










From ivo at reporters.net  Sat May 22 21:11:28 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:11:28 -0400
Subject: change of power
Message-ID: <40AF6DA0.8655.18726B6B@localhost>

Judging by the speed at which Iraqi Governing Council loses its 
members - to suicide bombings or American raids - there will be 
nobody left by June 30. And Americans were never really keen on 
letting Iraqis rule their country. They rather want to find a group 
of people who would agree to put up a good pretend-government for 
Iraqi people to believe that they are indeed a sovereign nation 
again. They are running out of options. Bush will inevitably sink in 
the Iraqi sand.
ivo



From a2h at gmx.ch  Sat May 22 23:49:39 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:49:39 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] RE: Artist registers herself as company limited
 by shares!
In-Reply-To: <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>
References: <5C88CDE4-AC15-11D8-AE44-000A95C8E024@nungu.com>
 <74A6783B-AC17-11D8-8989-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>
Message-ID: <p05200f00bcd57a13591f@[80.218.208.160]>


>replic**t ltd is not a company set up by an artist to sell works //
>products imaginary.   replic**t ltd is the artist.

is protoplast and etoy your art?
or the messsage of it?
it seems you are trying to say something like the message is the art.
it's an old hat or fart.


a+



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 22 23:59:30 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:59:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405222159.i4MLxUj98136@www.god-emil.dk>



>Gayten, Center for Promotion of LGBT Human Rights, Pride, Association 
>for Promotion of Sexually Different People and Labris, Lesbian Rights 
>Group have expressed their utmost protest against the hate speech 
>used by a reporter of daily newspaper ''Politika'' in his coverage of 
>this year's Eurovision Song Contest in Istanbul.
>
>In an article entitled ''Lane one step from the victory'' (Lane na 
>korak do trona), dating from 17th May 2004, reporter Aleksandar 
>Gajovic warned about peril of this contest becoming a ''gay music 
>festival'', and questioned the ''manhood'' of participants, all in 
>very derogative and discriminative stand towards gays and lesbians.


democracy = gay



>hate speech

democracy = hate




>We would like to point out that such reporting constitutes both a 
>direct violation of the article 38 of Public Information Act, which 
>prohibits hate speech, and is not in accordance with Constitutional 
>Act of Serbia and Montenegro.

law + order = gay




>replic**t ltd is not a company set up by an artist to sell works // 
>products imaginary.   replic**t ltd is the artist.  i have registered 
>myself as a corporation not simply  registered a corporation for the 
>dissemination of work. 

you must be FUCKING gay DUDE.
Netochka Nezvanova has been a person + CEO of Netochka Nezvanova Corp.
for approx 4 years.



>that is why confessional work is merged with 

gay












From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 23 06:15:36 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:15:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405230415.i4N4Faa98944@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0522-04.htm

Get better intelligence. Terrorists are mysterious


therefore they must be great lovers








From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 23 06:20:25 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:20:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405230420.i4N4KPG98957@www.god-emil.dk>



>>Netochka Nezvanova has been a person + CEO of Netochka Nezvanova Corp.
>>for approx 4 years.
>
>;)

http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/buze.jpg


>and it will be good to work on the film with you
>because you have something to say
>which goes beyond a concept of a self employed artist as corporation

more smiles. as mentioned - occident xyz = simply.1.dimensional
that leaves the ost.eu xyz - this is what i have been saying aaalll along
... but i cannot do it all alone   -.o

komplex++



[xy humour = simply.superior to wisdom much as kindness = superior to wisdom
 lekker ost.eu smmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmile


apropos - Cycling74's fErRarI -> http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/cycling74.jpg







From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 23 08:31:52 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 02:31:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: paste
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405230231450.12233@panix3.panix.com>




everything washes out and directs itself no evidence left anywhere another
of numerous disappearances the color of the back of the body bears witness
but this isn't that this turns away from that this is an alternator an
alternative an alternation an altering www.asondheim.org/thewash.jpg cut
and paste cut and paste


_



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 23 08:48:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 08:48:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ everything washes out and directs itself no evidence left anywhere
Message-ID: <200405230648.i4N6mIO99098@www.god-emil.dk>





the time has come 
... our last good bye

you deserve a foto - http://www.immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/visualthesaurus.jpg


szzzz











From loy at myrealbox.com  Sun May 23 11:52:07 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (+   lo_y.  +)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 11:52:07 +0200
Subject: #0693
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040523114907.01da2560@logosfoundation.org>

[ http://www.theminimag.com/april04/lo_y/lo_y.html ]

[ recycling: http://www.the-hyper-age.com/byteloop/byteloop0001.html ]



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From media at ezaic.de  Sun May 23 15:05:13 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:05:13 +0200
Subject: Rafah Petition
Message-ID: <a06002003bcd64e543b00@[82.82.101.189]>

The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories


20.05.04: High Court Petition on Rafah Operation: Ensure Israel 
Upholds its Obligations According to Humanitarian Law

21 May 2004 Update: IDF Demolished 62 Houses in Brazil and a-Slam 
neighborhoods in Rafah, 741 People Left Homeless

This morning, the High Court of Justice held an urgent hearing to 
discuss a petition by Israeli human rights organizations which 
contains a series of humanitarian demands concerning the residents of 
Rafah. The petitioners, B'Tselem, the Association for Civil Rights in 
Israel, Physicians for Human Rights Israel and Ha'Moked: Center for 
the Defense of the Individual, demanded the IDF allow ambulances to 
evacuate the injured from Rafah to hospitals in the Gaza Strip, renew 
the supply of electricity, water, food and medical supplies to the 
besieged neighborhoods and allow access to the area to a team of 
Israeli physicians. The organizations also demanded the immediate 
investigation of the shelling of demonstrators on Wednesday, which 
killed eight demonstrators, including children.

During the hearing, the IDF claimed that medical supplies and 
ambulances are able to enter the camp. The IDF announced it would 
allow a truckload of medical equipment sent by Physicians for Human 
Rights Israel into the camp. The truck, which had been waiting for 
clearance since yesterday, entered Rafah immediately after the 
hearing. The judges announced their decision would be given at a 
later date.

[...] http://www.btselem.org/



see as well
http://www.adalah.org/eng/index.php



From media at ezaic.de  Sun May 23 15:31:50 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:31:50 +0200
Subject: EJJP - European Jews for a Just Peace - Convention in Paris
 (ending tomorrow)
Message-ID: <a06002004bcd65743531b@[82.82.101.189]>




The EJJP convention in Paris

The third EJJP convention will be held in Paris, starting on the 21st 
of May and ending on the 24th of May with a press conference. For the 
agenda of the convention and drafts of the resolutions and statements 
to be discussed

Source: EJJP-secretariat

-

see website for docs http://www2.ejjp.org/  (news section):

-conf programme.doc (22 kB)
-against_the_occupn_3-2.doc (20 kB)
-Amended-Amsterdam-Declaration.doc (20 kB)
-Open Letter to the EP and the Commission.doc (26 kB)



From mpalmer at jps.net  Sun May 23 03:12:07 2004
From: mpalmer at jps.net (MWP)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 18:12:07 -0700
Subject: [syndicate] MORAL DILEMMAS
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040522215023.02031a30@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <BCD54877.169FC%mpalmer@jps.net>

why do you want to know ?

m


on 5/22/04 12:50 PM, Frederic Madre at fmadre at free.fr wrote:

> why do you ask ?
> 
> f.
> 
> At 20:25 22/05/2004, mpalmer at jps.net wrote:
>> MORAL DILEMMAS
>> IN 3 PARTS
>> 
>> PART I
>> 
>> Would you kill a person if it meant saving humanity?
>> How about if it meant saving a million people?
>> How about if it meant saving a thousand?
>> How about if it meant saving one?
>> How about if it meant saving a million of your worse enemies who only want
>> to kill you?
>> How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity had the evil
>> intentions of a Hitler and the means to carry them out?
>> How about if the person you had to kill to save humanity was your only child?
>> How about if you had to destroy humanity to save your only child?
>> How about if you had to kill yourself to save humanity?
>> How about if you had to kill yourself to save a million people?
>> How about if you had to kill yourself to save a thousand?
>> How about if you had to kill yourself to save one person?
>> How about if that one person you could save was your only child?
>> 
>> 
>> PART II
>> 
>> For "kill" in the above, substitute "torture" and redo where appropriate.
>> Such as:
>> Would you torture a person if it meant saving humanity?
>> Etc.
>> 
>> 
>> PART III
>> 
>> For "torture" in the above, substitute "reveal the secrets of" and redo
>> where appropriate.
>> Such as:
>> Would you reveal the secrets of a person if it meant saving humanity?
>> Etc.
>> 
>> 
>> mwp
>> 
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
> 




From marc.garrett at furtherfield.org  Sun May 23 20:18:40 2004
From: marc.garrett at furtherfield.org (marc)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:18:40 +0100
Subject: Furtherfield appliances
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 23 22:06:22 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:22 +0200
Subject: Berg's decapitation is a fake from Abu Ghraib
Message-ID: <002401c44101$6bf3d090$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Quote of a post from rekombinant : at last on Berg's decapitation

http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

and read Susan Sontag's analysis in the New York Times of the day (from Alan
mention in nettime-l)
that follows Baudrillard's article in Liberation of which the link was
published here thanks Claudia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/magazine/23PRISONS.html?pagewanted=1
(very important political analysis on deep actual America from inside to
outside -and reminding of a part of Baudrillard's article)

It is the opportunity to thank to Claudia of her posts on Rafah and on the
next meeting in Paris.

A.







From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 23 22:32:20 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: recombinant production tending towards white-hole implosion
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405231632040.6302@panix3.panix.com>



recombinant production tending towards white-hole implosion

this is so simple, if it weren't for the theme of spew/emissions/symbol,
it would be close to ludicrous.

in fact it is old-fashion, _an image_ and nothing more, in relation to
_an other image._

http://www.asondheim.org/thewash.jpg
http://www.asondheim.org/restoration.jpg

reverse engineering

i apologize for my antiquity


)



From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 23 18:12:34 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 12:12:34 -0400
Subject: perils of outsourcing
Message-ID: <40B09532.26145.1CF4FD9F@localhost>

Lou Dobbs is right. Outsourcing sucks. All the big US corporations 
are strong on sales, yet pitifully weak on customer service. Once 
they sell you the product, you are on your own. Then you usually find 
yourself grasping for the air in the sea of fine print, the untold 
stories, or just the plain old lies of the salesperson. I don't know 
who is worse - Verizon, Adelphia, Earthlink, Sprint, .... - but as a 
customer I was taken for granted at some point by each one of them. 
Verizon sells you DSL service with free modem. Only you have to pay 
$100 up-front for the modem, and then there is not a single piece of 
information on the rebate in the package they send you. Of course 
there is one toll-free number with the byzantine voice-recognition 
system on the other side, which is plain discriminative to the people 
with accent. Once you reach the human on the other side, the poor 
fellow doesn't know better but to put you on hold and transfer you to 
another department, where, guess what, they transfer you to yet 
another. All in all you can ask for the rebate only after 30 days, 
calling them, filing out the paperwork - the hassle is obviously 
intentional so that people forget or have no time or are discouraged 
to get their $100 back. Earthlink will gladly sell you their service, 
but then comes Saturday morning and everyone and their mother dials 
up, and the service is improbably slow, e-mail impossible to download 
or send, because their capacity simply cannot handle the amount of 
traffic. Yet when you call them, their technical support will 
immediately accuse your computer of wrongdoing and 'guide' you 
through an hour of useless troubleshooting (endless rebooting) of 
your perfectly sound system. Who knows where those support people, 
that barely know a computer from dishwaher once the problem exceeds 
their script, are really located. For example, the support people for 
my Toshiba laptop are in Istambul, Turkey. I even thought of bringing 
my wife's friend to help with translation when I recently had a 
problem. The repair center, however, is in Louisville, KY. And when 
you want to know the status of the repair, which is done in Kentucky, 
you have to call Turkey (of course you have no idea, because of the 
toll-free number). Toshiba, improbably, at least runs this smooth. 
Which can't be said for HP-Compaq. Their support people are in India. 
Yesterday, another friend of my wife had her Compaq Presario die on 
her. When she boots it up, the scandisk starts scanning the disk and 
the computer freezes at 15% of the scan, indicating possible physical 
damage to the hard disk. Of course, she doesn't have a back-up, and 
she has some very important proposal file, that she has been working 
on for weeks, on that hard disk. She called Compaq tech support 
first, spent 2 hours with them on phone and on hold, only to learn 
that she needs a new hard disk, and that she can kiss her data good-
bye. Then she called my wife and got to speak to me - in about 30 
minutes she was able to boot the computer in the ms-dos mode, list 
her directories, find her proposal and save it on the floppy disk. 
Should I bill Compaq for my time? I think it would be only fair, 
since I am underemployed here in the US. How much are those kids in 
India paid? And they obviously know less about the matter than I 
do...

ivo



From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 24 04:17:44 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 22:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: eyes passes
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405232217360.9475@panix3.panix.com>



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From aneta.szylak at wp.pl  Sun May 23 23:46:07 2004
From: aneta.szylak at wp.pl (Aneta Szylak)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:46:07 +0200
Subject: Was macht ein Ort mit der Kunst - was macht die Kunst mit dem Ort?
Message-ID: <04c901c4410f$5b945860$ddf71953@DOM>

Was macht ein Ort mit der Kunst - was macht die Kunst mit dem Ort?


Podiumsgespräch in der Akademie der Künste Hanseatenweg 10, 10557 Berlin
Donnerstag, 27.5. 19.00 Uhr

Dialog Loci - Kostrzyn/Küstrin
www.dialogloci.org

Die Festungsstadt Kostrzyn/Küstrin, die heute unmittelbar im deutsch-
polnischen Grenzraum liegt, wurde im Frühjahr 1945 völlig zerstört und - in
Europa wohl einmalig - nicht wieder aufgebaut. Dieser Leerstelle werden
sich im Sommer 19 europäische Künstler stellen. Welche Aufgaben und
Möglichkeiten hat ortsspezifische Kunst? Welche Wechselwirkungen bestehen
zwischen ihr, Geschichtsbildern und Erinnerungskulturen? Darüber
diskutieren im Rahmen des Kunstprojekts Dialog Loci, das auf dem
Ruinengelände der ehemaligen preußischen Festung Küstrin/Kostrzyn
stattfindet Jan M. Piskorski (Historiker, Uni Stettin, Vize-Vorsitzender
der dt./pol.Schulbuchkonferenz), Aneta Szylak (Ausstellungskuratorin aus
Danzig), Christoph Tannert (Direktor des Künstlerhaus Bethanien), Jan
Kustosz (Denkmalpfleger, Architekt aus Gorzów) und Georg Winter
(teilnehmender Künstler, Professor für Kunst im öffentlichen Raum,
Nürnberg). Die Veranstaltung - eine Kooperation der Abteilungen Bildende
Kunst und Baukunst mit dem KULA e.V. - wird eröffnet durch Matthias Flügge,
das Gespräch moderiert Uwe Rada. Einführung Anne Peschken (Urban Art).
In Zusammenarbeit mit der Bundeszentrale für Politische Bildung






From ivo at reporters.net  Mon May 24 14:59:26 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:59:26 -0400
Subject: All Arabs Wanted Dead or Alive by the US
Message-ID: <40B1B96E.31075.216A8730@localhost>

In this bizzare case, Macedonian minister with Croatian citizenship 
orders killing of Pakistani citizens (on false pretext that they are 
Al-Qaeda) to win US aid!!!! The good minister than flees to Croatia, 
and Macedonian consulate in Karachi gets blown up. Macedonia is now 
aplogizing to Pakistan and trying to get the ex-minister extradited. 

ivo

Skopje, May 24, 2004

MACEDONIA APOLOGIZED TO PAKISTAN FOR THE CASE 
"RASTANSKI LOZJA"
Macedonia expressed regret to families of murdered Pakistanis at
"Rastanski lozja" announcing that the country is prepared to provide
rights for families of the victims and sanctions for doers of the 
crime.
As A1 TV reports this was stated by deputy minister of foreign 
affairs, Fuad Hasanovic on the meeting with the Pakistani Ambassador 
in Turkey, Sher Afgan Kan. Pakistani Ambassador previously handed to 
Hasanovic the note with which Pakistan requests full discovery of the 
case Rastanski lozja. Hasanovic promised that, but he requested 
Pakistan to prepare official report for the explosion in honourable 
Macedonian consulate in Karachi. Pakistani Ambassador in Macedonian 
Ministry of Justice had meeting with the minister Ixhet Memeti and 
with deputy minister of interior, Hazbi Lika and Spokesperson of MOI, 
Mirjana Kontevska. Lika on this meeting apologized to the Pakistani 
Government and families of murdered Pakistanis. Macedonian 
representatives announced that the request for indemnity can be 
realized if indictments for murders are confirmed by the Court, 
stated Spokesperson of MOI, Mirjana Kontevska. Minister Ixhet
Memeti in meantime for TV Channel 5 stated that case "Rastanski 
lozja" is going to be solved and according to him it is also 
important for Croatia this case to be solved. Suspect for this case, 
former minister Ljube Boshkovski besides Macedonian also has Croatian 
citizenship, what prevents Croatia from extraditing him to Macedonia. 
According to Memeti Macedonia and Croatia can solve this problem with 
bilateral agreement. TV Channel 5 reminds that Croatian minister of 
foreign affairs, Miomir Zuzul previously stated that he sees solution 
for the case in respect of the legislative of both countries and of 
international laws, as well as in frames of good and friendly 
bilateral relations between Macedonia and Croatia.


---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org




From ivo at reporters.net  Mon May 24 15:14:19 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:14:19 -0400
Subject: When torture is not torture?
Message-ID: <40B1BCEB.30147.21782B0C@localhost>

Rumsfeld says that the torture at Abu Ghraib was just abuse. Ecclesia 
non cedit sanguinem! - was the motto of the church's inquisition in 
15th century (church does not shed blood). They then also maintained 
that they do not do anything wrong to the people: they were actually 
saving their souls, didn't they? And rack and strappado were so much 
more humane than what secular rulers were doing at that time, weren't 
they?

Besides, the pictures, like the ones from Abu Ghraib, could probably 
be reproduced from any more self-respecting college fraternity hazing 
ritual in the US. So, what's all the fuss about? 

Or take the Fear Factor - just recently I watched an episode in which 
5 young couples were subjected to 36 hours of sleep deprivation, 
during which they had to perform some gruesome tasks, and at the end 
they were to stand on the thin wire high above the sea, keeping their 
balance while holding the rope above with only one hand - the one 
that could hold the position the longest won $50,000 for himself and 
his mate. (ok they were NOT hooded and/or completely nude; the FF 
producers need a Mossad advisor on that a.s.a.p., it will give the 
show more umph...)

In that respect I believe that Abu Ghraib 'contestants' should be 
eligible for some sort of monetary reward for their participation - 
at least those who held the longest, wouldn't that be fair?

ivo



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Tue May 25 02:14:23 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:14:23 +0200
Subject: Sundance Conference / Producers participants : deadline May 26th
Message-ID: <01be01c441ed$3d6c7870$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>


Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:11 PM
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      Sundance Institute's 19th Annual Independent Producers Conference
gives you the unique opportunity to meet and exchange ideas with some of the
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Sundance, Utah, the Producers Conference is an intensive weekend of panels
and small group sessions on topics like marketing, distribution, finance,
and the elusive art of pitching.
      Meet with your filmmaking, writing, and producing colleagues to
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economy and the new technologies are having on the ability to get a film
made in today's market.

      Panelists will include indie film guru Bob Berney of Newmarket Films,
Mark Gill and Laura Kim from newly formed Warner Independent Pictures, Paul
Richardson of Landmark Theatres, and others.

      To apply for the Independent Producers Conference and see a list of
past panelists, go to www.sundance.org or email producers at sundance.org for
more information.

      Application deadline is May 26th, 2004

      "Well done! Every person who is involved in filmmaking should attend.
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From rdh at vnatrc.com  Tue May 25 03:32:32 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 03:32:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] All Arabs Wanted Dead or Alive by the US
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horrible cases in a bad play
machiavel is well
all misinformat-ion to all people
who and what : animality in akzion ?
so what ---> designing the death is bad.

gegenunderseinbeingêtr

-- 
Rico da Halvarez-N
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RdH~;:))-?vnatrc.T

> In this bizzare case, Macedonian minister with Croatian citizenship
> orders killing of Pakistani citizens (on false pretext that they are
> Al-Qaeda) to win US aid!!!! The good minister than flees to Croatia,
> and Macedonian consulate in Karachi gets blown up. Macedonia is now
> aplogizing to Pakistan and trying to get the ex-minister extradited.
>
> ivo
>
> Skopje, May 24, 2004
>
> MACEDONIA APOLOGIZED TO PAKISTAN FOR THE CASE
> "RASTANSKI LOZJA"
> Macedonia expressed regret to families of murdered Pakistanis at
> "Rastanski lozja" announcing that the country is prepared to provide
> rights for families of the victims and sanctions for doers of the
> crime.
> As A1 TV reports this was stated by deputy minister of foreign
> affairs, Fuad Hasanovic on the meeting with the Pakistani Ambassador
> in Turkey, Sher Afgan Kan. Pakistani Ambassador previously handed to
> Hasanovic the note with which Pakistan requests full discovery of the
> case Rastanski lozja. Hasanovic promised that, but he requested
> Pakistan to prepare official report for the explosion in honourable
> Macedonian consulate in Karachi. Pakistani Ambassador in Macedonian
> Ministry of Justice had meeting with the minister Ixhet Memeti and
> with deputy minister of interior, Hazbi Lika and Spokesperson of MOI,
> Mirjana Kontevska. Lika on this meeting apologized to the Pakistani
> Government and families of murdered Pakistanis. Macedonian
> representatives announced that the request for indemnity can be
> realized if indictments for murders are confirmed by the Court,
> stated Spokesperson of MOI, Mirjana Kontevska. Minister Ixhet
> Memeti in meantime for TV Channel 5 stated that case "Rastanski
> lozja" is going to be solved and according to him it is also
> important for Croatia this case to be solved. Suspect for this case,
> former minister Ljube Boshkovski besides Macedonian also has Croatian
> citizenship, what prevents Croatia from extraditing him to Macedonia.
> According to Memeti Macedonia and Croatia can solve this problem with
> bilateral agreement. TV Channel 5 reminds that Croatian minister of
> foreign affairs, Miomir Zuzul previously stated that he sees solution
> for the case in respect of the legislative of both countries and of
> international laws, as well as in frames of good and friendly
> bilateral relations between Macedonia and Croatia.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Ivo Skoric
> 19 Baxter Street
> Rutland VT 05701
> 802.775.7257
> ivo at balkansnet.org
> balkansnet.org
>
>


-- 
Rico da Halvarez-N
 d--------------E
RdH~;:))-?vnatrc.T




From rdh at vnatrc.com  Tue May 25 03:34:33 2004
From: rdh at vnatrc.com (Rico da Halvarez)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 03:34:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Sundance Conference / Producers participants : 
     deadline May 26th
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you kould learn english basementt
-- 
Rico da Halvarez-N
 d--------------E hé oui un ôt(h)re depuis longtemps
RdH~;:))-?vnatrc.T

>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:11 PM
> Subject: Sundance Institute's 19th Annual Independent Producers Conference
>
>
>
>
>       Sundance Institute's 19th Annual Independent Producers Conference
> gives you the unique opportunity to meet and exchange ideas with some of
> the
> best minds in the independent film business. Presented in the mountains of
> Sundance, Utah, the Producers Conference is an intensive weekend of panels
> and small group sessions on topics like marketing, distribution, finance,
> and the elusive art of pitching.
>       Meet with your filmmaking, writing, and producing colleagues to
> discuss the current state of independent film and the impacts that our
> economy and the new technologies are having on the ability to get a film
> made in today's market.
>
>       Panelists will include indie film guru Bob Berney of Newmarket
> Films,
> Mark Gill and Laura Kim from newly formed Warner Independent Pictures,
> Paul
> Richardson of Landmark Theatres, and others.
>
>       To apply for the Independent Producers Conference and see a list of
> past panelists, go to www.sundance.org or email producers at sundance.org for
> more information.
>
>       Application deadline is May 26th, 2004
>
>       "Well done! Every person who is involved in filmmaking should
> attend.
> I gleaned an incredible amount of information and the ability to network
> with such great panelists and participants was priceless."
>              - 2003 Producers Conference Participant
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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 07:28:01 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 01:28:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Couple Our Executive's Summary, Ian Murray the 1 5 and 10 chant
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405250127530.29479@panix3.panix.com>




Couple Our Executive's Summary, Ian Murray the 1 5 and 10 chant


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Nikuko speaks:
Nikuko speaks:

pr.-ctic.-lly .--.d psychotic, pr.-ctic.-lly u-.fit psychotic, to u-.fit
-tio-.s.
-tio-.s. i-.te-.se george misery. eve-. body. se-.se every
-tio-.s. -tio-.s. god. luther
gre.-se the europe. defe-.estr.-tio-.
defe-.estr.-tio-. to de.-th. was If feet. we
fundament. the Freedom fundament. corrupts Freedom power corrupts absolute
and is power freedom. prisons Enlightened enjoy prisons
watching enjoy American watching sex. comes freedom pain.
http://www.asondheim.org/neworld.png

ploughshares
People which turn work guns people. work I people. up If freedom
democracy, If will? http://www.asondheim.org/1491.jpg
http://www.asondheim.org/1492.gif

the Freedom fundament. corrupts Freedom power corrupts absolute
prisons Enlightened enjoy prisons watching enjoy
American watching sex. comes freedom pain. work guns people. up If freedom

http://www.asondheim.org/kyber.mov

Palm Berthe

The eyes of Nikuko speak. remember us. Nikuko speaks: This writing its
scar. This writing its memory
to speak. Nikuko speaks: I speak. Nikuko speaks: I
Nikuko
the world. Nikuko speaks:
Nikuko speaks: I have come to speak. Nikuko speaks: I speak. the
unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
the unconscious upwelling
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
http://www.asondheim.org/destroyshesaid.mov
Nikuko speaks: I speak. Nikuko speaks: I
Nikuko
ships. ships. http://www.asondheim.org/thewash.jpg
eyes passes

call you love call I've love going I've It's going eyes It's passes eyes
memories emotion on keep me. eyes passes It's eyes going
memories on
other upset. eyes broke It's have going But I've me love passes you sure
emotion that
keep on emotion memories can writing me. upset. on memories writing this or
creative I other to upset. upset.


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From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 07:51:18 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 01:51:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: power and glory
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405250151080.2026@panix3.panix.com>



power and glory

http://www.asondheim.org/sweep.jpg

interpretation of power and glory

http://www.asondheim.org/artistic.jpg

_



From netwurker at hotkey.net.au  Tue May 25 12:08:37 2004
From: netwurker at hotkey.net.au (][mez][)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:08:37 +1000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20040525200835.036de9d0@pop.hotkey.net.au>



.(c)[lick].
-
-

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
http://www.livejournal.com/users/netwurker/




From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 19:08:46 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:08:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: comin and goin
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405251308380.13179@panix3.panix.com>


comin and goin
http://www.asondheim.org/rollin.jpg
you can really flyin these things

_



From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 19:16:43 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:16:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: http://www.txt.org
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405251316320.13853@panix3.panix.com>



http://www.txt.org

http://www.ngo.org http://www.organizations.org http://www.define.org
http://www.future.org http://www.postmodernist.org
http://www.realities.org http://www.beyond.org http://www.traditional.org
http://www.government.org http://www.interventionism.org
http://www.this.org http://www.is.org http://www.apparent.org
http://www.from.org http://www.the.org http://www.relative.org
http://www.transparency.org http://www.of.org http://www.free.org
http://www.trade.org http://www.and.org http://www.so-called.org
http://www.globalization.org http://www.constructs.org http://www.our.org
http://www.advice.org http://www.avoid.org http://www.at.org
http://www.all.org http://www.costs.org http://www.any.org
http://www.hierarchical.org http://www.structure.org http://www.given.org
http://www.worldwide.org http://www.planetary.org http://www.slaughter



From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 25 20:54:41 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (media at ezaic.de)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:54:41 +0000
Subject: Site changes
Message-ID: <hlrjwgryfyveurobcqu@anart.no>

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From aneta.szylak at wp.pl  Mon May 24 19:07:00 2004
From: aneta.szylak at wp.pl (Aneta Szylak)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:07:00 +0200
Subject: Invitation to Kostrzyn
Message-ID: <034b01c441b1$87f73b00$6fe01953@DOM>

Dear Fiends and Colleagues,
the newest result of my curatorial work titled Dialog Loci will be on view
from June19th until August 31st at in the fortress of Kostrzyn
(Polish/German border). It is only one hour drive from Berlin, so please
stop by if you are around.
For the list of artists, project background, details, directions to Kostrzyn
and hotel information please visit www.dialogloci.org
Best regards,
Aneta Szylak




From ivo at reporters.net  Tue May 25 04:40:39 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:40:39 -0400
Subject: Bush pre-empted by "Fear Factor"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405242007190.1405@ls01.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <40B279E7.16533.245A1228@localhost>

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/05/22/bush.fall/index.html
I like this even better, he should have stuck with the fly-by-wire
ivo



From johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com  Tue May 25 15:21:17 2004
From: johanmeskenscs3 at chromaticspaceandworld.com (Johan Meskens CS3 jmcs3)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:21:17 -0300
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From ivo at reporters.net  Tue May 25 16:52:20 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:52:20 -0400
Subject: Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were committing genocide'
Message-ID: <40B32564.19015.26F7F23B@localhost>

While president is talking about liberation, troops are aware of the 
genocide....

President wants to raze Abu Ghraib. To remove the bad memories that 
grim place left on Iraqi population under its previous and current 
governing authorities.

Those who dishonored our country and disregarded our values, of 
course, are 'the few.' Are they also 'the proud'?

Pentagon banned use of video capable cell phones to the troops in 
Iraq. Geee, I wonder why.

Both those decisions, however, come way too late to save president's 
face. And in 5 months we'll see whether they'll also remove his butt 
from the White House.

So, the transfer of power is the smartest way to go. President will 
leave 140k of US troops in Iraq to 'help', while transfering 
sovereignty to the Iraqis - kind of like it was done in Germany and 
Japan.

Only, Iraq is nothing like Germany or Japan. For beginners, the enemy 
in Iraq is obviously not defeated. Yet, the US will allow 80k of 
Iraqi men to get re-armed, hoping that the quisling army they are 
creating will deal with that enemy.

But there is no guarantee that the re-armed Iraqis will not turn 
against Americans themselves, is there? Of course, Bush promises that 
all of them will be "vetted" - in a month?! What are they going to 
do? Torture them and take those who break down first? Or last?

It looks like Bush is setting-up the situation in Iraq for a major 
conflict between Iraqis and Americans - one that Americans may win, 
but not withiut casualties.

Which makes Bush Jr. smarter than Bush Sr. - Bush Sr. won the war, 
but lost the elections. Bush Jr. will win the elections, because he 
is losing the war - and no country will change its leader in the 
middle of the war (Milosevic stayed in power like that in Serbia for 
12 years): he hopes that the Fall will produce some really good war 
footage so he can give some strong presidential statements like "we 
will not falter, we will not fail" to float him upwards in the polls. 
Hence the transition of power: he is creating his own enemies for the 
show that he needs to get re-elected. 

ivo

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=523992

The Marine's tale: 'We killed 30 civilians in six weeks. I felt we
were committing genocide'
 By Natasha Saulnier

23 May 2004

 During 12 years in the US Marines, including three years putting new
recruits through boot camp, Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey hardly
questioned his role. But what he saw in Iraq changed that.

 "In a month and a half my platoon and I killed more than 30
 civilians," Mr
Massey said. He saw bodies being desecrated and robbed, and wounded
civilians being dumped by the roadside without medical treatment.
After he told his commanding officer that he felt "we were committing
genocide", he was called a "wimp".

 Mr Massey, who was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress and
 depression,
left the Marines in November. Back home in the Smoky Mountains of
North Carolina, he says the cause of the uprising in Iraq is that "we
killed a lot of innocent people".

 His 7th Marine Weapons Company, armed with machine guns and 
missiles,
 was
one of the first into the country in March last year. "We would take
over villages and control checkpoints," he said. "My men and I would
fire warning shots at oncoming vehicles. But, if they didn't stop, we
didn't have any qualms about loading them up."

 The Marines were told that Iraqis were filling ambulances with
 explosives,
and that soldiers were dressed as civilians, but after pouring fire
into vehicles and hearing no explosions, they started to doubt the
truth of these claims.

 "Iraqi military compounds had nothing in them, except for dismantled
tanks, equipment that was barely functioning, and barracks that 
looked
like ghost towns," Mr Massey said.

 The incident that haunts him most took place early in April, near an
 Iraqi
military compound five miles from Baghdad's airport. "There were
approximately 10 demonstrators near a tank," he said. "We heard a 
shot
in the distance and we started shooting at them. They all died except
for one. We left the bodies there.

 "We noticed that there were some RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades]
 about
200 metres away from them - they might have come from the military
compound. The demonstrators had the ability to fire at us or at the
tank, but they didn't. The survivor was hiding behind a column about
150 metres away from us. I pointed at him and waved my weapon to tell
him to get away. Half of his foot had been cut off. He went away
dragging his foot. We were all laughing and cheering.

 "Then an 18-wheeler [truck] came speeding around. We shot at it. One
 of
the guys jumped out. He was on fire. The driver was dead. Then a
Toyota Corolla came. We killed the driver, the other guy came out 
with
his hands up. We shot him too.

 "A gunny from Lima Company came running and said to us: 'Hey, you
 just
shot that guy, but he had his hands up.' My unit, my commander and me
were relieved of our command for the rest of the day. Not more than
five minutes later, the Lima Company took up our position and shot a
car with one woman and two children. They all died."

 The next day the platoon guarded a checkpoint at Baghdad Stadium. "A
 red
Kia Spectra sped toward us at about 45mph. We fired a warning volley
above it but the car kept coming. Then we aimed at the car and fired
with full force. The Kia came to a stop right in front of me, three 
of
the four men shot dead, the fourth wounded and covered in blood. We
called the medics, but he died before they arrived. That day we 
killed
three more civilians in the same circumstances. I talked to my 
captain
afterwards and told him: 'It's a bad day.' He said: 'No, it's a good
day.'"

 Mr Massey watched as badly injured Iraqis were repeatedly "tossed on
 the
side of the road without calling medics". His reaction to the event
that triggered the recent siege of Fallujah - the sight of the
blackened, mutilated bodies of four American private security men -
was that "we did the same thing to them".

 Iraqis, he said, "would see us debase their dead all the time. We
 would be
messing around with charred bodies, kicking them out of the vehicles
and sticking cigarettes in their mouths. I also saw vehicles drive
over them. It was our job to look into the pockets of dead Iraqis to
gather intelligence. However, time and time again, I saw Marines 
steal
gold chains, watches and wallets full of money."

 Several members of his platoon expressed concern that so many
 civilians
were being killed, but Mr Massey says he told them: "We've got a job
to do." Finally, however, he voiced his own doubts to his commanding
officer. "I told him I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq,
that we were doing harm to a culture. He said nothing and walked 
away.
I knew my career was over." Later, he says, his superior poured abuse
on him, saying, "You're a poor leader. You're faking it. You're a
conscientious objector, you're a wimp."

 After being sent back to the US, Mr Massey was offered a desk job. 
"I
 had
seven years until retirement from the Marine Corps, but I told them I
didn't want their money any more," he said. The Marines' slogan - "No
better friend, no worse enemy" - now embitters the former sergeant,
who says remorse keeps him awake at night.

 "One day we would go into a city and set up roadblocks where 
civilian
casualties would take place, and then the next morning we would
undertake a humanitarian mission," he said. "How do we expect people
who've seen their brothers and mothers killed to turn around and
welcome us with open arms?

    =====

----End Forwarded Message(s)----

------- End of forwarded message -------



From razvan.ion at pcnet.ro  Tue May 25 20:14:19 2004
From: razvan.ion at pcnet.ro (razvan_ion)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:14:19 +0300
Subject: email change
Message-ID: <005001c44284$2cf07950$ec78e7c1@artphoto>

from today my only available email will be: razvan.ion at pcnet.ro 
please make the change in your address book.

thank you.
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From media at ezaic.de  Tue May 25 21:20:55 2004
From: media at ezaic.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:20:55 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
Message-ID: <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]>


did not send it, nor did I receive it, but it is in the archives .. 
very strange

but
in case you received it, please do not open the .pif attachment

can someone possibly tell me if it is probable that my Macintosh computer
produces something like this ?


wondering if perhaps we need to reduce the size of attachments 
allowed to the list again
oh well ..

regards,
Claudia


>At 18:54 25.05.2004 +0000, you wrote:
>>Find the white rabbit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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>>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>?!?
>
>viren - beagle wurm...
>
>//k..




From fmadre at free.fr  Tue May 25 21:28:30 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:28:30 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
 <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>


>can someone possibly tell me if it is probable that my Macintosh computer
>produces something like this ?

no, because virus developpers are not interested in systems that real 
people do not use
for the same reason the most safe OS are Windows 95 and Windows 98
they also come cheaper than macs which are a hardware/software bundle 
monopoly which is worse than Microsoft can muster

Windows 95 is the OS of the future

>wondering if perhaps we need to reduce the size of attachments allowed to 
>the list again
>oh well ..

no, I think we need to remove this rule
it's ancient and obsolete
and this morning I sent an email which was rejected because of this
ah ah ah




From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Tue May 25 21:54:01 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:54:01 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
 <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002010bcd95215d03f@[82.83.224.207]>

>>can someone possibly tell me if it is probable that my Macintosh computer
>>produces something like this ?
>
>no, because virus developpers are not interested in systems that 
>real people do not use

bien

>for the same reason the most safe OS are Windows 95 and Windows 98
>they also come cheaper than macs which are a hardware/software 
>bundle monopoly which is worse than Microsoft can muster

hmmm ..

>
>Windows 95 is the OS of the future

certainly
I simply like utopian ideas

>
>>wondering if perhaps we need to reduce the size of attachments 
>>allowed to the list again
>>oh well ..
>
>no, I think we need to remove this rule
>it's ancient and obsolete
>and this morning I sent an email which was rejected because of this
>ah ah ah

perhaps you can send it in pieces ?

in any case changed the e-mail address subscribed to Syndicate
to prevent more virus messages to be sent directly to the the list
hopefully

regards,
Claudia





From sondheim at panix.com  Tue May 25 22:05:28 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:05:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <a06002010bcd95215d03f@[82.83.224.207]>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040525200315.04422bc8@pop.1und1.com>
 <a0600200fbcd94b40365c@[82.83.224.207]> <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>
 <a06002010bcd95215d03f@[82.83.224.207]>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405251604470.340@panix3.panix.com>



Virus isn't from you but spidered from other mailboxes, never direct.
There are no safe OS. Best message is just don't download.

Alan

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com



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From: hayart at arminco.com (HayArt)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 01:28:11 +0500
Subject: SARKIS IN YEREVAN
Message-ID: <00a501c44296$f3448c60$f25dfac3@z1z4e1>

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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 26 00:01:03 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:01:03 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were committing genocide'
Message-ID: <034601c442a3$c61628e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

It is totally incredible! Christian Bush says that he is going to make
down Abu Ghraib as the Polish state making down Auchwitz which stays as a
space...

And Polish today engage a petition with different European countries to
impose us the visions of their episcopate for an European constitution
assigned by the Christianity!!! Israelites, Atheists, Moslems - and even the
Animists, do not exist, maybe in Europe, it is not here at home while all
agree to live under the same public ? Now they would need the same church or
they would be otherness?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo at reporters.net>
To: "ed Agro" <edagro at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were committing
genocide'


> While president is talking about liberation, troops are aware of the
> genocide....
>
> President wants to raze Abu Ghraib. To remove the bad memories that
> grim place left on Iraqi population under its previous and current
> governing authorities.
>
> Those who dishonored our country and disregarded our values, of
> course, are 'the few.' Are they also 'the proud'?
>
> Pentagon banned use of video capable cell phones to the troops in
> Iraq. Geee, I wonder why.
>
> Both those decisions, however, come way too late to save president's
> face. And in 5 months we'll see whether they'll also remove his butt
> from the White House.
>
> So, the transfer of power is the smartest way to go. President will
> leave 140k of US troops in Iraq to 'help', while transfering
> sovereignty to the Iraqis - kind of like it was done in Germany and
> Japan.
>
> Only, Iraq is nothing like Germany or Japan. For beginners, the enemy
> in Iraq is obviously not defeated. Yet, the US will allow 80k of
> Iraqi men to get re-armed, hoping that the quisling army they are
> creating will deal with that enemy.
>
> But there is no guarantee that the re-armed Iraqis will not turn
> against Americans themselves, is there? Of course, Bush promises that
> all of them will be "vetted" - in a month?! What are they going to
> do? Torture them and take those who break down first? Or last?
>
> It looks like Bush is setting-up the situation in Iraq for a major
> conflict between Iraqis and Americans - one that Americans may win,
> but not withiut casualties.
>
> Which makes Bush Jr. smarter than Bush Sr. - Bush Sr. won the war,
> but lost the elections. Bush Jr. will win the elections, because he
> is losing the war - and no country will change its leader in the
> middle of the war (Milosevic stayed in power like that in Serbia for
> 12 years): he hopes that the Fall will produce some really good war
> footage so he can give some strong presidential statements like "we
> will not falter, we will not fail" to float him upwards in the polls.
> Hence the transition of power: he is creating his own enemies for the
> show that he needs to get re-elected.
>
> ivo
>
> ----Forwarded Message(s)----
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/24/politics/25PTEX-
> FULL.html?pagewanted=all&position=
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=523992
>
> The Marine's tale: 'We killed 30 civilians in six weeks. I felt we
> were committing genocide'
>  By Natasha Saulnier
>
> 23 May 2004
>
>  During 12 years in the US Marines, including three years putting new
> recruits through boot camp, Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey hardly
> questioned his role. But what he saw in Iraq changed that.
>
>  "In a month and a half my platoon and I killed more than 30
>  civilians," Mr
> Massey said. He saw bodies being desecrated and robbed, and wounded
> civilians being dumped by the roadside without medical treatment.
> After he told his commanding officer that he felt "we were committing
> genocide", he was called a "wimp".
>
>  Mr Massey, who was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress and
>  depression,
> left the Marines in November. Back home in the Smoky Mountains of
> North Carolina, he says the cause of the uprising in Iraq is that "we
> killed a lot of innocent people".
>
>  His 7th Marine Weapons Company, armed with machine guns and
> missiles,
>  was
> one of the first into the country in March last year. "We would take
> over villages and control checkpoints," he said. "My men and I would
> fire warning shots at oncoming vehicles. But, if they didn't stop, we
> didn't have any qualms about loading them up."
>
>  The Marines were told that Iraqis were filling ambulances with
>  explosives,
> and that soldiers were dressed as civilians, but after pouring fire
> into vehicles and hearing no explosions, they started to doubt the
> truth of these claims.
>
>  "Iraqi military compounds had nothing in them, except for dismantled
> tanks, equipment that was barely functioning, and barracks that
> looked
> like ghost towns," Mr Massey said.
>
>  The incident that haunts him most took place early in April, near an
>  Iraqi
> military compound five miles from Baghdad's airport. "There were
> approximately 10 demonstrators near a tank," he said. "We heard a
> shot
> in the distance and we started shooting at them. They all died except
> for one. We left the bodies there.
>
>  "We noticed that there were some RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades]
>  about
> 200 metres away from them - they might have come from the military
> compound. The demonstrators had the ability to fire at us or at the
> tank, but they didn't. The survivor was hiding behind a column about
> 150 metres away from us. I pointed at him and waved my weapon to tell
> him to get away. Half of his foot had been cut off. He went away
> dragging his foot. We were all laughing and cheering.
>
>  "Then an 18-wheeler [truck] came speeding around. We shot at it. One
>  of
> the guys jumped out. He was on fire. The driver was dead. Then a
> Toyota Corolla came. We killed the driver, the other guy came out
> with
> his hands up. We shot him too.
>
>  "A gunny from Lima Company came running and said to us: 'Hey, you
>  just
> shot that guy, but he had his hands up.' My unit, my commander and me
> were relieved of our command for the rest of the day. Not more than
> five minutes later, the Lima Company took up our position and shot a
> car with one woman and two children. They all died."
>
>  The next day the platoon guarded a checkpoint at Baghdad Stadium. "A
>  red
> Kia Spectra sped toward us at about 45mph. We fired a warning volley
> above it but the car kept coming. Then we aimed at the car and fired
> with full force. The Kia came to a stop right in front of me, three
> of
> the four men shot dead, the fourth wounded and covered in blood. We
> called the medics, but he died before they arrived. That day we
> killed
> three more civilians in the same circumstances. I talked to my
> captain
> afterwards and told him: 'It's a bad day.' He said: 'No, it's a good
> day.'"
>
>  Mr Massey watched as badly injured Iraqis were repeatedly "tossed on
>  the
> side of the road without calling medics". His reaction to the event
> that triggered the recent siege of Fallujah - the sight of the
> blackened, mutilated bodies of four American private security men -
> was that "we did the same thing to them".
>
>  Iraqis, he said, "would see us debase their dead all the time. We
>  would be
> messing around with charred bodies, kicking them out of the vehicles
> and sticking cigarettes in their mouths. I also saw vehicles drive
> over them. It was our job to look into the pockets of dead Iraqis to
> gather intelligence. However, time and time again, I saw Marines
> steal
> gold chains, watches and wallets full of money."
>
>  Several members of his platoon expressed concern that so many
>  civilians
> were being killed, but Mr Massey says he told them: "We've got a job
> to do." Finally, however, he voiced his own doubts to his commanding
> officer. "I told him I felt like we were committing genocide in Iraq,
> that we were doing harm to a culture. He said nothing and walked
> away.
> I knew my career was over." Later, he says, his superior poured abuse
> on him, saying, "You're a poor leader. You're faking it. You're a
> conscientious objector, you're a wimp."
>
>  After being sent back to the US, Mr Massey was offered a desk job.
> "I
>  had
> seven years until retirement from the Marine Corps, but I told them I
> didn't want their money any more," he said. The Marines' slogan - "No
> better friend, no worse enemy" - now embitters the former sergeant,
> who says remorse keeps him awake at night.
>
>  "One day we would go into a city and set up roadblocks where
> civilian
> casualties would take place, and then the next morning we would
> undertake a humanitarian mission," he said. "How do we expect people
> who've seen their brothers and mothers killed to turn around and
> welcome us with open arms?
>
>     =====
>
> ----End Forwarded Message(s)----
>
> ------- End of forwarded message -------
>


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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 26 00:05:51 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:05:51 +0200
Subject: correction
References: <034601c442a3$c61628e0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <037601c442a4$73bb6ff0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

In my last post, I want to mean they live under the same public law (sorry,
the last word was lost)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were committing
genocide'


> It is totally incredible! Christian Bush says that he is going to make
> down Abu Ghraib as the Polish state making down Auchwitz which stays as a
> space...





From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May 26 10:24:36 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:24:36 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Site changes
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040525212204.01e42368@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1FE5E004-AEEE-11D8-A9B1-000393B03010@free.fr>


Le mardi, 25 mai 2004, à 21:28 Europe/Paris, Frederic Madre a écrit :

>
>> can someone possibly tell me if it is probable that my Macintosh 
>> computer
>> produces something like this ?
>
> no, because virus developpers are not interested in systems that real 
> people do not use
> for the same reason the most safe OS are Windows 95 and Windows 98
> they also come cheaper than macs which are a hardware/software bundle 
> monopoly which is worse than Microsoft can muster
>
> Windows 95 is the OS of the future

2095

anyway, MacIntosh is scottish, made with porridge, not with pif that as 
all french people know, is a dog and therefore eats the OS.

++ I guess that people around are aware of .pif HDquake Xstimulations.

>
>> wondering if perhaps we need to reduce the size of attachments 
>> allowed to the list again
>> oh well ..
>
> no, I think we need to remove this rule
> it's ancient and obsolete
> and this morning I sent an email which was rejected because of this
> ah ah ah

hahahaha
good morning syndicate






From ctgr at free.fr  Wed May 26 10:31:48 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:31:48 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] correction
In-Reply-To: <037601c442a4$73bb6ff0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <21631283-AEEF-11D8-A9B1-000393B03010@free.fr>


Le mercredi, 26 mai 2004, à 00:05 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit 
:

> In my last post, I want to mean they live under the same public law 
> (sorry,
> the last word was lost)

ach !
i thought u'd correcta into : shoes polish religion !

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were 
> committing
> genocide'
>
>
>> It is totally incredible! Christian Bush says that he is going to make
>> down Abu Ghraib as the Polish state making down Auchwitz which stays 
>> as a
>> space...
>
>
>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
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> no commercial use of the texts without permission





From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 10:36:49 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:36:49 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] correction
In-Reply-To: <21631283-AEEF-11D8-A9B1-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <21631283-AEEF-11D8-A9B1-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1085560609.40b457211dfa9@imp1-q.free.fr>

Selon "ctgr-pavu.com" <ctgr at free.fr>:
> i thought u'd correcta into : shoes polish religion !

and I thought that Christian Bush would be corrected in Arthur Bush.

f.

> 
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
> > To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [syndicate] Iraq: The Marine's tale: "I felt we were 
> > committing
> > genocide'
> >
> >
> >> It is totally incredible! Christian Bush says that he is going to make
> >> down Abu Ghraib as the Polish state making down Auchwitz which stays 
> >> as a
> >> space...
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
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> > to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> > no commercial use of the texts without permission
> 
> 
> 





From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Wed May 26 12:32:52 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:32:52 +0200
Subject: cookney apologizes
Message-ID: <012501c4430c$ccf67930$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

French cookney (?) apologizes...

To C

Vouixe, diche, Polonais si c pas poli(sh) comment qu'on l'rixe?

To F

Yes, Christian Bush is rich in carnival (carnevale in cannibal).



Have a good day :)

Joséphine K.






From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 12:39:24 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:39:24 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] cookney apologizes
In-Reply-To: <012501c4430c$ccf67930$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <012501c4430c$ccf67930$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1085567964.40b473dc67859@imp2-q.free.fr>

                                                                                
                                  garlic,

Find out everything you ever wanted to know about:

> your friends
> your family
> your enemies
> your employees
> yourself

f.


Selon Aliette Guibert <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>:

> French cookney (?) apologizes...
> 
> To C
> 
> Vouixe, diche, Polonais si c pas poli(sh) comment qu'on l'rixe?
> 
> To F
> 
> Yes, Christian Bush is rich in carnival (carnevale in cannibal).
> 
> 
> 
> Have a good day :)
> 
> Joséphine K.
> 
> 
> 
> 





From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 12:40:37 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:40:37 +0200
Subject: whatever happened to
Message-ID: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>

florian cramer ?

f.




From netwurker at hotkey.net.au  Wed May 26 12:40:11 2004
From: netwurker at hotkey.net.au (][mez][)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:40:11 +1000
Subject: [syndicate] whatever happened to
In-Reply-To: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>
References: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20040526203925.0371b9e8@pop.hotkey.net.au>

At 08:40 PM 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>florian cramer ?
>
>f.
>



he went insane after ppl complained of his xx postings.




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.(c)[lick].
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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 12:46:03 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:46:03 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] whatever happened to
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20040526203925.0371b9e8@pop.hotkey.net.au>
References: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr> <6.0.1.1.1.20040526203925.0371b9e8@pop.hotkey.net.au>
Message-ID: <1085568362.40b4756b0128e@imp2-q.free.fr>

Selon "][mez][" <netwurker at hotkey.net.au>:
> >florian cramer ?
> he went insane after ppl complained of his xx postings.

good.

whatever happened to

august highland ?
(he was insane already, please find another reason)

f.



From email at ctrlaltdel.org  Wed May 26 12:53:32 2004
From: email at ctrlaltdel.org (Peter Luining)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:53:32 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] whatever happened to
In-Reply-To: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>
References: <1085568037.40b47425078eb@imp2-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <40B4772C.3000709@ctrlaltdel.org>

fmadre at free.fr wrote:

> florian cramer ?
> 


email him


Peter




From game at personalcinema.net  Wed May 26 09:04:31 2004
From: game at personalcinema.net (Personal Cinema)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:04:31 +0300
Subject: THE MAKING OF BALKAN WARS: THE GAME
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From h3x at n3krozoft.com  Wed May 26 13:25:47 2004
From: h3x at n3krozoft.com (by way of claudia westermann)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:25:47 +0200
Subject: propaganda 0+2
Message-ID: <a06002014bcda2f2be09a@[82.83.224.207]>




                  \+\      bonjour.





the N3KROZOFT MORD konglomerat

is -/%pleased to announce 1 lovely multimedia spektakl:



*//  LOL (laughing out loud)  //*

  !"
  !"
  !"          30th mai 2004 - 20:00
  !"
  !"          paris - les voutes
  !"
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*//  LOL -- project background  //*


on jan 12th 2003, in Phoenix/Arizona, a 21-year old computer addict 
[known as "ripper"] dies of an overdosis of prescription drugs while 
chatting on the internet.

soon after this tragic event, a text file containing a transcription 
of the dialogs that occured in the chatroom appeared on numerous 
websites.  The acronym "LOL" (which stands for "laughing out loud", 
or "lots of laughs") appears to be by far the most frequent 
expression in this dialogs.

re-processing the semantic data recorded before, during and after 
ripper's death, the N3KROZOFT MORD multimedia group expands the 
network tragedy into a caustic ectoplasmic seance.

http://n3krozoft.com/LOL

  !"
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  !"

*//  LOL -- live ASCII kinema  //*

[02:21:10] [ Smoke2k ] lol
[02:21:12] [ Oea ] you'd better not go to sleep
[02:21:14] [ Oea ] breathe
[02:21:15] [ @phalaris ] it's all going down
[02:21:16] [ ripper ] how many people are watching this non=sense

  !"
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*//  LOL -- n3kroskop in tempo-real //*

after a first presentation in Belgrade on 10.IV.04 [APRILSKI SUSRETI 
festival] the multimedia spektakl LOL (laughing out loud) will be 
shown in Paris on 30th mai 2004 as part of GLOBAL RESISTANCE.


[02:27:50] [ ripper ] thats my cell
[02:27:53] [ ripper ] call if I look dead
[02:27:53] [ Smoke2k ] no
[02:27:57] [ Oea ] ok ay
[02:27:57] [ Smoke2k ] lol
[02:27:58 ] !%Pnutbot shoots two photos of woman with white gown and 
number tattooed on forehead

  !"
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*//  LOL -- GLOBAL RESISTANCE //*

exhibition / debates / performances / projections

Bureau d'Etudes
CAPT
Daniel Depris
Disinformation
Harun Farocki
Kymatik
N3krozoft Mord
Survival Research Labs
+ others

organised by: Exotical, Rauschen, Prism Escape + Les Voutes

[when?]-        29th mai - 6th june 2004

[where?]-       les voutes, rue des frigos, 75013 paris

[informazja]-   http://www.exotical.org

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LOL (laughing out loud)

is kindly supported
by the Swiss Federal Office of Culture / sitemapping.ch


[Four female swimmers dive into pool in sequence

                     in pursuit of floating body]


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http://n3krozoft.com/LOL

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*// ER Univers KOI8-R information list //*

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N3KROZOFT MORD and it's partner organisations. You will not recieve 
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From noemata at kunst.no  Wed May 26 15:47:25 2004
From: noemata at kunst.no (noemata)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:47:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: in ona of yoar
Message-ID: <20040526134725.2DDBF2071B3@home.pages.at>


Subject: Warning: a possible viru hag been detected ion
one of your messages
 a possible varsku hegg
a possible vareheis haukøy been detected imw
  varige hesje

__

veras hus bion dotostat im onh op yier mecsisog.

8 2185: Fren: cintryl at owurn.onvo Sefqast: Wirnuns: A pacgebla vores hhs
byen dhdigtet in ono ob yeur mhsseces.
13 2217: Frin: centrel at hworn.hnba Safsist: Wærnens: A pacsefla vurog hic
beem dothgdet im omå of yhhr miscacas.
23 2237: Frem: cantrol at uworm.unfi Sefshst: Wurming: A picsapla varos hag
buon dadekthd in ono op yoer mecsysik.
28 2240: Fren: comtral at ewhrn.enpa Sofsict: Wirnans: A pessepla vores hyz
biun dhtyctit in ona of yher mesgeshc.
29 2271: Frin: chmtrol at owern.emfe Supcest: Wermems: A pascefla veræs hus
baam detactyd in ona of yoar messosog.


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From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 26 16:19:41 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:19:41 -0400
Subject: "a stable, free Iraq with a representative government, secure in its borders."
Message-ID: <40B46F3D.14455.2C006B4B@localhost>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/politics/campaign/26POLI.html?pagewa
nted=1&th

Bush and Kerry differ domestically, but on the matters of foreign 
policy they look scarily similar: they both support Sharon's Israel, 
and they would chart the same course for Iraq.

Kerry will never get elected if he does not drop support for Sharon. 
The small, but powerful circle of pro-zionism lobbyists that makes US 
politicians tremble, will in the end support Bush, anyway. And Kerry 
will be left holding the bag, as he is alienating other sources.

On Iraq, however, Kerry, unlike Nader, cannot promise US troops home 
by Christmas. Because, again, unlike Nader, Kerry may get elected 
president, and then accused for giving false promises. The fact is 
that at this point it is neither realistic nor beneficial to anybody 
for US troops to just leave the chaos they made.

That makes Kerry the hostage of the incumbent president's wrong-
headed foreign policy. Worse, Bush is stealing clues from Kerry's 
plan for Iraq, and taking credit for them. Kerry was the first to say 
that the US should aim for "a stable, free Iraq with a representative 
government, secure in its borders." But Bush was broadcasted in prime 
time on all TV networks making sure that the nation believes that was 
HIS idea.

Why would people vote for Kerry if he would not do anything different 
than Bush? Then, they can stick with the incumbent. And Bush is going 
to make sure that it appears that he would not do anything different 
than Kerry, sending the message to the people: why bother voting for 
that other guy, when I would do the same?

With Nader in the equation to take the vote of the people that oppose 
the war on principle, Kerry's perspective may be grim. Either he 
needs to adopt radical Nader's position, on which he will ultimately 
not be able to deliver, but it would help him win the elections (the 
Clintonian way), or he needs to come up with the plan, that is 
workable on one hand, but so detestable to Bush's camp on the other 
hand, so they don't copy it in the next Bush's address to the nation.

Nader's campaign should focus on defeating Bush. Otherwise they will 
be defeating Kerry. Since Nader is unlikely to win presidency, his 
campaign is free to run the ultra-negative smear campaign against 
Bush, alienating the mainstream voter - both from Nader and from 
Bush, and increasing the percentage of those willing to vote for 
Kerry. This would leave Kerry's campaign able to run just positove 
ads - not even mentioning the incumbent president, and focusing just 
on all the good and all the right things Kerry would do if elected. 

Bush campaign would be left with the no-win options to waste 
resources defending Bush against a non-opponent Nader, or alienate 
swing voters base by bad-mouthing the good guy Kerry. I am not sure 
whether such political co-operation and co-ordination between 
candidates is possible in the U.S. But it could work.

ivo



From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 26 16:19:43 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:19:43 -0400
Subject: War comes back to Kosovo?
Message-ID: <40B46F3F.20778.2C007025@localhost>

http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/Dnevne-vesti/V-14-26052004.htm

Hari Holkeri, the UN proconsul of Kosovo, resigned yesterday. His 
mandate was up in August, but he decided to cut it short at the 
advice of his physician. He is to be replaced by Dick Spring, an 
Irish Labour politician.

Analysts read more than health reasons into Holkeri's resignation: a 
couple of days ago new Hague tribunal indictments arrived to Kosovo - 
one against Hasim Taci, another against Ramus Haradinaj, and another 
two against two other high level commanders of what used to be KLA.

Holkeri warned for some time that such indictments may incite inter-
ethnic violence in Kosovo. Kosovo Albanians demonstrated in March 
this year that they are capable of ethnic cleansing and burning 
religious objects, just as their former tormentors, the Serbs, were.

And as every ethnic group in the region treats its war crime suspects 
as national heroes, they are unlikely to give up Taci and Haradinaj 
without a fight. NATO commanders are worried that they will not be 
able to protect UNMIK officials and their own forces in Kosovo, if 
the indictments are made public. Serbian minority, of course, would 
probably face imminent expulsion or worse. Holkeri decided that his 
frail health could not take that any more.

As the largest European US military base (Bondsteel) is in Kosovo, 
one can speculate that sudden move by the ICTY to indict KLA leaders, 
may indeed be timed to make US forces fight on one front more. The 
Hague and Bush administration never got along well. And this move 
will incite violence, and will require more US military commitment in 
Kosovo, making it harder for Bush to fight his wars elsewhere, which 
may contribute to his political defeat in November - something that 
continental Europe, that stands behind the Hague, would cherish.

ivo
---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org




From ivo at reporters.net  Wed May 26 16:19:08 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:19:08 -0400
Subject: Wal Mart vs. Vermont
Message-ID: <40B46F1C.4463.2BFFE79E@localhost>

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/opinion/26WED3.html?th

Tiny state of Vermont faces being taken over by the world's largest 
corporation: Wal-Mart is planning to build seven (7) 150k sqft stores 
in the state with 600k people: with 1.75 sqft per person, Wal-Mart 
will thus be able literally to have the entire state's population in 
their stores at the same time.

Of course, that would mean the end for the local retailers, lowering 
wages across the board in the state with already low wages, and 
ruining the tourism-based economy. Hopefully, Vermont residents will 
never go for that.

ivo



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May 26 18:28:11 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:28:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405261628.i4QGSB806486@www.god-emil.dk>





>it's this evidence still pertaining to the supervisor?

                                            you


>i dont think they though it is already over

stories never end
they just travel where they are most desired

of course at times stories become the sleep of growth
+ beget desires of their own

... at 7 year intervals - sz+

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=befana



>---- Message original ----
>De: integer at www.god-emil.dk
>A: syndicate at anart.no
>Objet: Re: /55\\\ everything washes out and directs itself no
>evidence left anywhere
>Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 08:48:18 +0200 (CEST)
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>the time has come 
>>... our last good bye
>>
>>you deserve a foto - http://www.immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/pikz/vis
>>ualthesaurus.jpg
>>
>>
>>szzzz
>>
>>
>>
>>










From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Wed May 26 18:33:41 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:33:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405261633.i4QGXfY06532@www.god-emil.dk>



>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/opinion/26WED3.html?th
>
>Tiny state of Vermont faces being taken over by the world's largest 
>corporation: Wal-Mart is planning to build seven (7) 150k sqft stores 
>in the state with 600k people: with 1.75 sqft per person, Wal-Mart 
>will thus be able literally to have the entire state's population in 
>their stores at the same time.
>
>Of course, that would mean the end for the local retailers, lowering 
>wages across the board in the state with already low wages, and 
>ruining the tourism-based economy. Hopefully, Vermont residents will 
>never go for that.
>
>ivo


one must not underestimate the allure of BULLSHIT [shit.bullshit.dude (c) Cycling74 INC]












From aart at eunet.yu  Wed May 26 23:18:52 2004
From: aart at eunet.yu (Andrej Tisma)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:18:52 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] War comes back to Kosovo?
References: <40B46F3F.20778.2C007025@localhost>
Message-ID: <002401c44367$0cbe3120$6306f0d5@aart>



Ivo, why don't you quote the source (Kurir) you have put below, but instead
you write your own comment? Or you made an omission by putting the wrong
link?

> http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/Dnevne-vesti/V-14-26052004.htm
>
> Hari Holkeri, the UN proconsul of Kosovo, resigned yesterday. His
> mandate was up in August, but he decided to cut it short at the
> advice of his physician. He is to be replaced by Dick Spring, an
> Irish Labour politician.
>
> Analysts read more than health reasons into Holkeri's resignation: a
> couple of days ago new Hague tribunal indictments arrived to Kosovo -
> one against Hasim Taci, another against Ramus Haradinaj, and another
> two against two other high level commanders of what used to be KLA.
>
> Holkeri warned for some time that such indictments may incite inter-
> ethnic violence in Kosovo. Kosovo Albanians demonstrated in March
> this year that they are capable of ethnic cleansing and burning
> religious objects, just as their former tormentors, the Serbs, were.
>
> And as every ethnic group in the region treats its war crime suspects
> as national heroes, they are unlikely to give up Taci and Haradinaj
> without a fight. NATO commanders are worried that they will not be
> able to protect UNMIK officials and their own forces in Kosovo, if
> the indictments are made public. Serbian minority, of course, would
> probably face imminent expulsion or worse. Holkeri decided that his
> frail health could not take that any more.
>
> As the largest European US military base (Bondsteel) is in Kosovo,
> one can speculate that sudden move by the ICTY to indict KLA leaders,
> may indeed be timed to make US forces fight on one front more. The
> Hague and Bush administration never got along well. And this move
> will incite violence, and will require more US military commitment in
> Kosovo, making it harder for Bush to fight his wars elsewhere, which
> may contribute to his political defeat in November - something that
> continental Europe, that stands behind the Hague, would cherish.
>
> ivo
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Ivo Skoric
> 19 Baxter Street
> Rutland VT 05701
> 802.775.7257
> ivo at balkansnet.org
> balkansnet.org
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 23:54:41 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:54:41 +0200
Subject: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>

At 23:48 26/05/2004, you wrote:

>http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,614,729.WKU.&OS=PN/6,614,729&RS=PN/6,614,729
>
>
>I haven't looked at it yet -- sounds evil, tho'...


this looks worse:


More Than One Million Drink Lid CDs, Outdoor Concerts By Today's Hottest 
Artists and New Grilled Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' 
Promotion From BLIMPIE(R)

f.




From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 23:57:01 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:57:01 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr>


>Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' Promotion From BLIMPIE(R)


gosh


Introduction of Limited Time Panini-Grilled Sandwich & Salad Offerings:
        To celebrate its "Super Summer," BLIMPIE will also bring back its most
        popular limited time offering sandwiches and salads from the past year.
        Starting May 28th customers can choose from the New Orleans Blackened
        Chicken Sub, the London Broil Club and the Stacked BLIMPIE Best(R).  As
        always, each sandwich features fresh, sliced ingredients and is
        finished on a BLIMPIE Panini Grill.  Each sandwich is also available as
        a "Super Summer" salad.  Guests can also choose to "carb-count" their
        grilled "Super Summer" Subs by having the sub roll replaced with low
        net-carb BLIMPIE Carb-Counter bread.


f. 




From fmadre at free.fr  Wed May 26 23:58:54 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:58:54 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235802.01eeaba0@pop.free.fr>

ooo


According to Mark Mears, Chief Marketing Officer of Blimpie International, 
Inc., the BLIMPIE "Super Summer" promotion is just one aspect of the 
company's ongoing efforts to redefine the sandwich category by increasing 
awareness of the BLIMPIE product superiority, unique, fresh-sliced 
preparation technique and category exclusive Panini Grills.

"It is our 40th Birthday this year and we want to make a big impression 
both with our hot new menu concepts and our exciting promotions," said 
Mears. "This year isn't just a milestone to celebrate BLIMPIE being 
'40-years young,' but also the revitalization of the brand and transition 
of BLIMPIE from a traditional neighborhood sub shop into a more consumer 
driven 'contemporary deli' complemented with the entertainment and fun. We 
want the world to learn what our millions of customers already know -- It's 
not just a sandwich, it's a BLIMPIE -- a remarkable sensory experience."

ray

f.

At 23:57 26/05/2004, you wrote:

>>Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' Promotion From BLIMPIE(R)
>
>
>gosh
>
>
>Introduction of Limited Time Panini-Grilled Sandwich & Salad Offerings:
>        To celebrate its "Super Summer," BLIMPIE will also bring back its most
>        popular limited time offering sandwiches and salads from the past 
> year.
>        Starting May 28th customers can choose from the New Orleans Blackened
>        Chicken Sub, the London Broil Club and the Stacked BLIMPIE 
> Best(R).  As
>        always, each sandwich features fresh, sliced ingredients and is
>        finished on a BLIMPIE Panini Grill.  Each sandwich is also 
> available as
>        a "Super Summer" salad.  Guests can also choose to "carb-count" their
>        grilled "Super Summer" Subs by having the sub roll replaced with low
>        net-carb BLIMPIE Carb-Counter bread.
>
>
>f.
>
>
>
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From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 27 00:01:22 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:01:22 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235802.01eeaba0@pop.free.fr>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr>
 <6.1.0.6.0.20040526235802.01eeaba0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040527000035.020d4138@pop.free.fr>


barf

Source: Blimpie International, Inc.

f.

At 23:58 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>ooo
>
>
>According to Mark Mears, Chief Marketing Officer of Blimpie International, 
>Inc., the BLIMPIE "Super Summer" promotion is just one aspect of the 
>company's ongoing efforts to redefine the sandwich category by increasing 
>awareness of the BLIMPIE product superiority, unique, fresh-sliced 
>preparation technique and category exclusive Panini Grills.
>
>"It is our 40th Birthday this year and we want to make a big impression 
>both with our hot new menu concepts and our exciting promotions," said 
>Mears. "This year isn't just a milestone to celebrate BLIMPIE being 
>'40-years young,' but also the revitalization of the brand and transition 
>of BLIMPIE from a traditional neighborhood sub shop into a more consumer 
>driven 'contemporary deli' complemented with the entertainment and fun. We 
>want the world to learn what our millions of customers already know -- 
>It's not just a sandwich, it's a BLIMPIE -- a remarkable sensory experience."
>
>ray
>
>f.
>
>At 23:57 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>
>>>Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' Promotion From BLIMPIE(R)
>>
>>
>>gosh
>>
>>
>>Introduction of Limited Time Panini-Grilled Sandwich & Salad Offerings:
>>        To celebrate its "Super Summer," BLIMPIE will also bring back its 
>> most
>>        popular limited time offering sandwiches and salads from the past 
>> year.
>>        Starting May 28th customers can choose from the New Orleans Blackened
>>        Chicken Sub, the London Broil Club and the Stacked BLIMPIE 
>> Best(R).  As
>>        always, each sandwich features fresh, sliced ingredients and is
>>        finished on a BLIMPIE Panini Grill.  Each sandwich is also 
>> available as
>>        a "Super Summer" salad.  Guests can also choose to "carb-count" their
>>        grilled "Super Summer" Subs by having the sub roll replaced with low
>>        net-carb BLIMPIE Carb-Counter bread.
>>
>>
>>f.
>>
>>
>>
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>>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>
>
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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 27 01:56:33 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:56:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Re: [Ds
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040527000035.020d4138@pop.free.fr>
References:     <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405261742420.22341@panix2.panix.com><6.1.0.6.0.20040526235310.020c61f0@pop.free.fr><6.1.0.6.0.20040526235541.020cce18@pop.free.fr><6.1.0.6.0.20040526235802.01eeaba0@pop.free.fr>
    <6.1.0.6.0.20040527000035.020d4138@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1085615793.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

barf
would be the sign (or acronym)
for supreme autisticism..
you answer yourself thrice ?
calcaire coup ?
my dear ?
no!!!
tell us it ain't true !

kisses
astrëe
>
> barf
>
> Source: Blimpie International, Inc.
>
> f.
>
> At 23:58 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>>ooo
>>
>>
>>According to Mark Mears, Chief Marketing Officer of Blimpie
>> International,
>>Inc., the BLIMPIE "Super Summer" promotion is just one aspect of the
>>company's ongoing efforts to redefine the sandwich category by increasing
>>awareness of the BLIMPIE product superiority, unique, fresh-sliced
>>preparation technique and category exclusive Panini Grills.
>>
>>"It is our 40th Birthday this year and we want to make a big impression
>>both with our hot new menu concepts and our exciting promotions," said
>>Mears. "This year isn't just a milestone to celebrate BLIMPIE being
>>'40-years young,' but also the revitalization of the brand and transition
>>of BLIMPIE from a traditional neighborhood sub shop into a more consumer
>>driven 'contemporary deli' complemented with the entertainment and fun.
>> We
>>want the world to learn what our millions of customers already know --
>>It's not just a sandwich, it's a BLIMPIE -- a remarkable sensory
>> experience."
>>
>>ray
>>
>>f.
>>
>>At 23:57 26/05/2004, you wrote:
>>
>>>>Menu Items All Part of the Huge 'Super Summer' Promotion From
>>>> BLIMPIE(R)
>>>
>>>
>>>gosh
>>>
>>>
>>>Introduction of Limited Time Panini-Grilled Sandwich & Salad Offerings:
>>>        To celebrate its "Super Summer," BLIMPIE will also bring back
>>> its
>>> most
>>>        popular limited time offering sandwiches and salads from the
>>> past
>>> year.
>>>        Starting May 28th customers can choose from the New Orleans
>>> Blackened
>>>        Chicken Sub, the London Broil Club and the Stacked BLIMPIE
>>> Best(R).  As
>>>        always, each sandwich features fresh, sliced ingredients and is
>>>        finished on a BLIMPIE Panini Grill.  Each sandwich is also
>>> available as
>>>        a "Super Summer" salad.  Guests can also choose to "carb-count"
>>> their
>>>        grilled "Super Summer" Subs by having the sub roll replaced with
>>> low
>>>        net-carb BLIMPIE Carb-Counter bread.
>>>
>>>
>>>f.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>>no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>>Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>>information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>


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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 27 06:16:58 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: The Reader of these Words
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405270016480.24452@panix3.panix.com>




                            The Reader of these Words



                               You are still alive


                              Praise God, On Kawara




_



From bjornmag at ifi.uio.no  Thu May 27 07:04:28 2004
From: bjornmag at ifi.uio.no (bjornmag at ifi.uio.no)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:04:28 +0800
Subject: Failure (syndicate@anart.no)
Message-ID: <200405270506.i4R56OXM022797@anart.no>


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 07:01:19 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:01:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ a`!ght MODZR FUKRZ kz kz kz
Message-ID: <200405270501.i4R51Jq07773@www.god-emil.dk>




yo - hez!tat!ng MODZR FUUUUKKKKRRRRRZZZZ

uat dze ffff fuuuuuuukkkkk


ztrap doun


m9nd fukc














From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 07:04:20 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:04:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405270504.i4R54KF07781@www.god-emil.dk>



joshua goldberg - some fat jankee MOTHER FUCKER


>the 242.montage/242.decoupage2 was just about the slowest, most 
>inefficient part of nato.  and that's saying something.

shut your MOTHER FUCKING ass up fat BITCH

the SHIT was freeeeeeesh

not that your stupid obese fucking ass made anything worth a mother fucking thing
ugly fat BITCH


>every time i use @usedstdim 1 for multiple draws into single matrix i 
>think of those objects and laugh.  and then i shed a little tear.

big MOTHER FUCKING deal - dze sh!t !z uak ho










From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 09:26:43 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:26:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ very apropos
Message-ID: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0526-05.htm



to all occident MOTHER FUCKERS that overlooked the rape committed by Cycling74 INC + other filthy occident MOTHER FUCKERS

MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS


goldberg - you filthy fucking SHIT - if I were you I would my mouth shut
fat fucking sow bitch ass MOTHER FUCKER + all other lovely superlatives filthy FUCK    


perchance 
1 day we











From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 09:34:42 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:34:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ exkrement
Message-ID: <200405270734.i4R7YgM07971@www.god-emil.dk>


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0526-05.htm


MOTHER FUCKERS++





not unlike some other MOTHER FUCKERS













From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 09:31:39 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 09:31:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405270731.i4R7VdX07963@www.god-emil.dk>



"The actual interrogators accused of encouraging U.S. troops to abuse Iraqi prisoners at 
Abu Ghraib jail were working for at least one company with extensive military and commercial contacts with Israel."


0 surprizes - filth pig neo nazi MOTHER FUCKERS









From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Thu May 27 12:02:11 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:02:11 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] \\ very apropos
References: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <010101c443d1$adc59710$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Thank you for this mark which towards all the previous information becomes a
confirmation. Inescapable article: they will be certainly, with The gray
zone, Regarding the Tortures of Others, Pornography of the war, four
determining papers of the global revelation of the question of the western
dominantion about Iraq?

The explanation for anything, (till the analysis of the fake video at Abu
Ghraib)

All of the integrated strategy explained by Alain Joxe invited by Balibar,
at last meeting of "Trop c'est trop" - on Palestine - (Human Rights League),
Paris.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <integer at www.god-emil.dk>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: [syndicate] \\ very apropos


>
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0526-05.htm
>
>
>
> to all occident MOTHER FUCKERS that overlooked the rape committed by
Cycling74 INC + other filthy occident MOTHER FUCKERS
>
> MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS
>
>
> goldberg - you filthy fucking SHIT - if I were you I would my mouth shut
> fat fucking sow bitch ass MOTHER FUCKER + all other lovely superlatives
filthy FUCK
>
>
> perchance
> 1 day we
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From dragneva at mail.md  Thu May 27 13:10:22 2004
From: dragneva at mail.md (lilia dragneva)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:10:22 +0300
Subject: CarbonArt'2004
Message-ID: <200405271110.i4RBAMwk030885@ad.md>

C A R B O N A R T  2 0 0 4
Memory lane

On the period of 04-10 August 2004, Center for Contemporary Art, Chisinau [ksa:k] is
planning to organize the 9-th edition of the International Camp of Creation and Exhibition CarbonArt'2004.

Location: College of Plastic Arts “Al. Plamadeala”
Project curator - Lilia Dragneva
Project organizer - Center for Contemporary Art, Chisinau [ksa:k], Rep. of Moldova  
Financed by: Soros Foundation Moldova
Informational support: DNT Association
Partners:
German Embassy in Moldova
ifa Institut fur Auslandsbeziehunden
College of Plastic Arts “Al. Plamadeala”

Project theme:
Artificial creator in possible reality. Innovation as an alternative to traditionalism. Remembering, mental action, linked to search, to restoring and recalling needed information from permanent memory. The memory lane. Remembering the present. The memory of walls. Simulating reality. Random access memory. Human memory and its textual, mechanical, electronic, or virtual analogies.

Project concept:
To create for artists an environment where an exchange between individual recall, historic (artistic) recall of the past and permanent memory will take place, all of these being under the influence of external factors—place/building. The artistic materialization of memory through textual, manual, mechanic, electronic or virtual means.

* memory lane - an imaginary path through the nostalgically remembered past. Used in such phrases as a walk down memory lane.  (BRITANICA)

For more detailed info about CarbonArt'2004 project, please, take a look at:
http://www.art.md/   

We would be glad to receive names, brief artistic biography of the artists who want to participate in the project, as well a brief idea/project concerning the work, which is going to be done here.
The Center is going to provide the participants with accommodations, meal and materials
(except traveling expenses).
All information should be sent by e-mail or fax to the Center for Contemporary Art, Chisinau, as soon as possible, but not later than by June 25, 2004. 

For additional information, please, don't hesitate to contact us: 
Centrul pentru Arta Contemporana, Chisinau, [ksa:k]
Str. Independentei 1 , Chisinau 2043 Moldova
Phone/fax: + 373 22 573395, + 373 22 772507
E-mail: ksak at moldova.md   

All the best,
Lilia Dragneva  


lilia dragneva
e-mail: dragneva at mail.md


___________________________________________
Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md





From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Thu May 27 14:29:13 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:29:13 +0200
Subject: Artistic Director AEC
Message-ID: <a06002001bcdb8f5d0724@[213.23.156.6]>


;)


---

The Ars Electronica Center, a world-renowned cultural institution of 
the City of Linz, is the international
arbiter of the state of the art in the interdisciplinary encounter 
with new technologies.
The Ars Electronica Center is seeking two executives to begin 
employment immediately:

Artistic Director

Together with the business manager/CFO and our executive staff, you 
will develop strategies,
business plans and organizational models for all aspects and 
activities of the AEC. You will also be responsible for attracting 
new sponsors, partners and associates, and maintaining good relations 
with existing ones.

You will prepare reports for the executive committee and the 
committee meetings. You are able to efficiently and effectively carry 
on a close working relationship with this institution's 
decision-making bodies. As a matter of course, you take a 
team-oriented approach that makes for a good fit in a cooperative 
management model.

Your chief task is artistic-substantive program development in all of 
Ars Electronica's fields of activity-
the Ars Electronica Festival, the Prix Ars Electronica, the Museum of 
the Future, and the Futurelab, the
Ars Electronica's in-house R&D laboratory. Thanks to your outstanding 
track record in an artistic and/or scholarly leadership position and 
proven ability to provide substantive orientation and leadership to a
top international cultural institution, you are in a position to 
professionally plan and execute the Ars Electronica Festival and the 
Prix Ars Electronica.

Your excellent knowledge of and connections to the international and 
Austrian art and technology
scene helps you to maintain good working relations with sponsors and 
public-sector subsidizers and to attract new ones, as well as to 
build up strategic cooperative relationships and partnerships with
outside associates.

You will create the Ars Electronica Center's mission statement and 
the general cultural policy guidelines governing this institution. In 
your capacity as top management spokesperson of the Ars Electronica 
Center, you will be responsible for this institution's public 
relations and press relations.

You have an integrative leadership personality with outstanding 
communication skills and a particip-
ative management style. You bear direct personnel responsibility for 
the AEC's artistic staff. You are capable of conducting negotiations 
and business meetings in German or English. You display a high
level of goal orientation and take a customer-friendly, service 
oriented approach to the process of maintaining good relations with 
existing sponsors and public-sector subsidizers and in recruiting new 
ones, as well as in your interactions with customers, partners and 
associates. Your dealings with the media as well as with 
private-sector and public-sector sponsors are marked by a high degree 
of professionalism and poise.

You seek the special challenge that comes with a top executive 
position at an internationally renowned cultural institution active 
at the interface of art, technology and society, and developing 
trend-setting projects together with a staff of professionals who 
enjoy experimentation.

Your compensation will be oriented on comparable positions at 
artistic, scientific or scholarly institutions in the public sector.



From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 27 14:31:55 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (fmadre at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:31:55 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <a06002001bcdb8f5d0724@[213.23.156.6]>
References: <a06002001bcdb8f5d0724@[213.23.156.6]>
Message-ID: <1085661115.40b5dfbbe4346@imp6-q.free.fr>

Selon claudia westermann <Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de>:
> 
> ;)

does one _have to live in austria to get the job?

f.



From a2h at gmx.ch  Thu May 27 15:00:28 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:00:28 +0200
Subject: -?-
Message-ID: <p05200f00bcdb9670f5be@[80.218.209.93]>

does anyone know what happened to keiko suzuki? though not the 
precise place for this question, but some could possibly know

a+



From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Thu May 27 15:37:12 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:37:12 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <1085661115.40b5dfbbe4346@imp6-q.free.fr>
References: <a06002001bcdb8f5d0724@[213.23.156.6]>
 <1085661115.40b5dfbbe4346@imp6-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002003bcdb9f04b240@[213.23.156.6]>

>
>does one _have to live in austria to get the job?

pfff ..

http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung





From ctgr at free.fr  Thu May 27 15:59:32 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:59:32 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <a06002003bcdb9f04b240@[213.23.156.6]>
Message-ID: <1421957C-AFE6-11D8-86E3-000393B03010@free.fr>

il faut parler alsacien aussi ???


Le jeudi, 27 mai 2004, à 15:37 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a écrit 
:

>>
>> does one _have to live in austria to get the job?
>
> pfff ..
>
> http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung
>
>
>
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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 27 17:25:41 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:25:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Remarks by Al Gore - Remarques par Al Gore
Message-ID: <1044.82.224.112.161.1085671541.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

Remarques par AL Gore
26 mai 2004

Georges W. Bush nous a promis une politique étrangère humble. AU lieu de
quoi, il a attiré sur nous l'humiliation aux yeux du monde entier.
....

remarquable de bout en bout, profond, et tout !

Remarks by Al Gore
May 26, 2004
As Prepared
George W. Bush promised us a foreign policy with humility. Instead, he has
brought
us humiliation in the eyes of the world.

...

http://www.moveonpac.org/goreremarks052604.html/









From loy at myrealbox.com  Thu May 27 17:45:56 2004
From: loy at myrealbox.com (__lo-y. )
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:45:56 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] whatever happened to
Message-ID: <1085672756.535458fcloy@myrealbox.com>



>whatever happened to
>
>august highland ?
>(he was insane already, please find another reason)

he's doing stuff on paper now, and exhibitions 
he thought the lists where no fun anymore...
_______________
          
<__lo-y. >

_______________




From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 18:01:27 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:01:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405271601.i4RG1RX08756@www.god-emil.dk>



>The Ars Electronica Center, a world-renowned cultural institution of 
>the City of Linz, is the international
>arbiter 


a very neo NAZI `AMERIKAN` mother FUKRZZZ position



>of the state of the art in the interdisciplinary encounter 
>with new technologies.
>The Ars Electronica Center is seeking two executives to begin 
>employment immediately:


employment = prostitution













From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 18:02:18 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:02:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405271602.i4RG2IH08764@www.god-emil.dk>



From: Meg Spohn <mspohn at DU.EDU>

Okay, lookit.  Nobody needs to leave a discussion.  But I am about the least
emotionally complicated woman you will ever meet.  Sheesh.


on 5/26/04 1:57 PM, John Strong at JS_STRONG at BIGPOND.COM wrote:

> A perceptive friend once observed that man is a simple creature with simple
> wants.  It is only when you mix him with the complexity that is woman that
> chaos erupts.










From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 27 18:37:45 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:37:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
In-Reply-To: <1421957C-AFE6-11D8-86E3-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <a06002003bcdb9f04b240@[213.23.156.6]>
    <1421957C-AFE6-11D8-86E3-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1046.82.224.112.161.1085675865.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

suisse allemand plutôt

> il faut parler alsacien aussi ???
>
>
> Le jeudi, 27 mai 2004, à 15:37 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a écrit
> :
>
>>>
>>> does one _have to live in austria to get the job?
>>
>> pfff ..
>>
>> http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>


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From list at cronicaelectronica.org  Thu May 27 14:50:12 2004
From: list at cronicaelectronica.org (Cronica)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:50:12 +0100
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[Cr=F3nica]_mail_019?=
Message-ID: <5271350.PLKWJKEA@cronicaelectronica.org>

 ---------------------------------------------------
| CRÓNICA MAIL 019                                  |
| 28.05.2004                                        |
| http://www.cronicaelectronica.org                 |
 ---------------------------------------------------

01 - new release: Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea
02 - o.blaat
03 - o.blaat performances in portugal
04 - new release: Miguel Flor T-Shirt
05 - Pedro Tudela + AGF
06 - Crónica @ Serralves Birthday
07 - upcoming performances
08 - upcoming releases

(versão portuguesa abaixo)

 ---------------------------------------------------
| new release                                       |
| o.blaat: Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea        |
| Crónica 012~2004                                  |
| cover photos by Helen Cho                         |
| 18 tracks, 1 video                                |
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I once saw o.blaat perform seated with her laptop in the back of a club, connected to the stage by a string of lights, like an umbilical cord she was holding on to while at the same time eager to break. The confused audience was looking at an empty stage oblivious to the performer in the back. With our experience of music being more and more mediated it seems normal that the live physical presence of the performer is being questioned by musicians like o.blaat. How can one reconcile the live presence of musicians with acousmatic music, now so easily downloadable whenever and wherever you are? For this CD o.blaat interfaces with some of her regular collaborators such as Kaffe Matthews, Toshio Kajiwara, dj Olive, Eyvind Kang, Ikue Mori, Aki Onda & Akio Mokuno. The second half of the CD is designed for headphones listening, like a scientist looking through a microscope. It reveals soundscapes full of minutiae and electric movements. o.blaat's shoe tapping has now morphed into light keyboard clicks, subtle and precise.

This is o.blaat's first release and introduces her as one of the players of the new downtown electronic music scene. This recording finally make o.blaat audible for a wider audience, while at the same time remaining invisible -- a fact she must enjoy. (excerpt from Christian Marclay's liner notes)

Gaze:
01: one morning (w/ Kaffe Matthews)
02: egg salad sandwich (w/ Toshio Kajiwara)
03: bulle-1
04: bulle-2
05: gone fishing (w/ dj Olive)
06: afternoon (w/ sound modules by Aki Onda & Akio Mokuno)
07: hanging sky (w/ Ikue Mori)
08: nightfall
09: froid (w/ sound module by Eyvind Kang)

In the Cochlea:
10: scatsil
11: 39°
12: eight-o
13: yonofushigi
14: snowlight
15: nightvision
16: miminohone
17: miminohonenouta
18: centipede

19: swel [data track / quicktime]

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| O.BLAAT                                           |
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Based in Brooklyn, New York, sound artist, composer, [electroluxe] event schemer, core member of SHARE, o.blaat (Keiko Uenishi) is known for creating various interactive audio environments such as 'beat piece (with Ping-Pong game)', 'audio coat check', 'coupier' and 'fillip'.

After performing with an unique hand-made electronic sound system 'tapboard.effector.soundsystem' for a couple of years, Uenishi has been exploring powerbook's mobility and its least distracting state of being.

Her powerbook performance has appeared at many music venues/events/museums in New York including; Tonic, The Cooler, The Kitchen, SHARE at openair, Whitney Museum of American Art, P.S. 1 Contemporary Art Center, American Museum of Moving Image, UnityGain, phonomena, Rhizome.org, White Columns, NYC, Vox Populi Gallery in Philladelphia, PA, and toured extensively in Europe: Rhiz & Phonotaktik Festival (Vienna) in Austria; NBI, Bastard, Staatsbank, clubtransmediale festival 2004 (all in Berlin); A-Musik (Köln), in Germany; Le Lieu Unique (Nantes), Zoobizarre (Bordeaux), Transfert 2003 (Lille-Paris-Poitiers-Bordeaux) in France; STEIM (Amsterdam), WORM (Rotterdam) in the Netherlands; RAS gallery (Barcelona) in Spain; What Is Music? Festival in Melbourne and Sydney, in Australia.

Her sound was described in Wired magazine as 'Unleashing an enchanted sea of sound: Fuzzed-out birdcalls flit through submarine drones, and scratchy beats crackle like a thousand records skipping as one'.

She has collaborated with numerous artists including: Ikue Mori, DJ Olive, Lloop, Miguel Frasconi, Timeblind, Eyvind Kang, Sachiko M, Tetsuji Akiyama, Aki Onda, Toshio Kajiwara, Zeena Parkins, Christine Bard, Kaffe Matthews, Georg Zeitblom, Ralph Steinbrüchel, Günter Müller, Norbert Morslang, Anthony Coleman, Kurt Ralske, Lukasz Lysakowski, HC Gilje, Eric Redlinger, among others. She was a member of Marina Rosenfeld's 17 piece guitar/powerbook orchestra, 'Sheer Frost Orchestra 2000', and also was a member of laptops-and-electronics quartet with Ikue Mori, Kaffe Mathews, and Marina Rosenfeld, recorded with a commission by STEIM, Amsterdam, Holland, 2001.

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| O.BLAAT PERFORMING IN PORTUGAL                    |
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Over this next week, Keiko Uenishi is touring Portugal, performing in Setúbal, Lisbon and twice in Porto. Don't miss the unique chance of hearing her at the following dates:

02.06
o.blaat + Paulo Raposo + Vitor Joaquim
entrEMEs#4, Luisa Todi, Setúbal.pt

03.06
o.blaat
Ok.Suitcase
ZDB, Lisboa.pt
(release event for Crónica 012~2004 and Crónica 011~2004)

04.06
o.blaat
Beat_Map hdj
Aniki Bóbó, Porto.pt
(release event for Crónica 012~2004)

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| new release                                       |
| Miguel Flor: On Cotton                            |
| CRÓNICA 013~2004                                  |
| 5 sizes, 3 colors                                 |
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Maybe the summer is still a long shot but down here in pt the weather is H O T, hot. You may remember, from our recent mailings, that our hometown iconoclast wonder-boy Miguel Flor was designing an exclusive t-shirt collection for Crónica. Well, they're ready, the right red, black and grey, exclusive stitching, 100% delicate cotton, and guess what, printed? No, embroidered with the doggylaptop HMV rip off. Miguel Flor's t-shirts for Crónica are all signed and serialized 013~2004, once again a best value from a label that acknowledges talent, vision an quality.

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| PEDRO TUDELA + AGF                                |
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This is an unprecedented meeting between Pedro Tudela, an ever present figure on the Portuguese electronic music and multimedia scene over the last decade, both in individual works and in collective works such as the mute life dept. [MLd] or the "laptops" @c trio, and Antye Greie Fuchs, who has built her reputation as a member of Laub, as well as through her work with Craig Armstrong and Vlaldislav Delay. In the AGF project, Greie brings together art and technology to rearrange the leftovers and vestiges of an "e-poetry" and to exploit the editing processes and new relations between language and the song.

29.05
Pedro Tudela + AGF
Auditório do Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Serralves, Porto.pt

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| CRÓNICA ALL STARS @ THE SERRALVES BIRTHDAY        |
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The contemporary art museum of Serralves, in Porto, is throwing a huge birthday party next weekend, and Crónica was invited to perform there. We only have 40 minutes, but a nice room awaits us on Sunday afternoon and therefore we're taking a brilliant lot of performers as a birthday gift to the museum and everyone there.

06.06
Crónica All Stars @ the Serralves Birthday Party
a 40' performance with: Pedro Tudela, Miguel Carvalhais, Return,  Vitor Joaquim, Paulo Raposo, o.blaat,  Lia
Casa de Serralves, Porto.pt

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| UPCOMING PERFORMANCES                             |
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Lots happening. If you're going to the Sónar festival in Barcelona, keep an eye open for Lia and Durán Vázquez...

28.05
André Gonçalves
Kruppa
Casa dos Dias d'Água, Lisboa.pt

29.05
Pedro Tudela + AGF
Auditório do Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Serralves, Porto.pt

02.06
o.blaat + Paulo Raposo + Vitor Joaquim
entrEMEs#4, Luisa Todi, Setúbal.pt

03.06
o.blaat
Ok.Suitcase
ZDB, Lisboa.pt
(release event for Crónica 012~2004 and Crónica 011~2004)

04.06
o.blaat
Beat_Map hdj
Aniki Bóbó, Porto.pt
(release event for Crónica 012~2004)

05.06
Durán Vázquez
Christine Fowler
Beat_Map hdj
Maus Hábitos, Porto.pt

05.06
André Gonçalves & Paulo Raposo
CEM, Lisboa.pt

05-11.06
Vitor Joaquim + Nuno Rebelo
improvised music workshop + concert
Ecodrome, Bragança.pt

06.06
Crónica All Stars @ the Serralves Birthday Party
a 40' performance with: Pedro Tudela, Miguel Carvalhais, Return,  Vitor Joaquim, Paulo Raposo, o.blaat,  Lia
Casa de Serralves, Porto.pt

12.06
@c (visuals by Lia)
Paulo Raposo
Casa dos Dias d'Água, Lisboa.pt

17.06
Durán Vázquez
Sónar, Barcelona.es

17.06
Lia
visuals for Ryuichi Sakamoto + OBC orchestra
Sónar, Barcelona.es

17.06
Receptor + others
Fuera de Série MiniFest
Sifó, Barcelona.es

18.06
Lia
sonorama talks
Sónar, Barcelona.es

18.06
Lia
visuals at SónarClub
Sónar, Barcelona.es

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| UPCOMING RELEASES                                 |
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Good things coming soon!

Still before summer, Crónica will be presenting a brand new release by Heimir Björgúlfsson, Pimmon and Helgi Thorsson: still important somekind not normally seen (always not unfinished), will be released as Crónica 014~2004 and will be the perfect soundtrack for the summer break.

After the summer break, behold the return of Autodigest, with the brand brand brand new (in all aspects) follow up to "A Compressed History of Everything Ever Recorded, Vol.1" (Crónica 006~2003)

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As always, for more information on Crónica's releases and events, just point to http://www.cronicaelectronica.org

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| CRÓNICA MAIL 019                                  |
| 28.05.2004                                        |
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01 - novo lançamento: Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea
02 - o.blaat
03 - concertos de o.blaat em Portugal
04 - novo lançamento: Miguel Flor T-Shirt
05 - Pedro Tudela + AGF
06 - Crónica no aniversário de Serralves
07 - próximos concertos
08 - próximos lançamentos

(english version above)

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| novo lançamento                                   |
| o.blaat: Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea        |
| Crónica 012~2004                                  |
| fotografias de Helen Cho                          |
| 18 faixas, 1 video                                |
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A Crónica tem o prazer de apresentar o primeiro disco de o.blaat, Two Novels: Gaze / In the Cochlea. Descrita, nas palavras de Christian Marclay, como uma das protagonistas da nova vaga da música electrónica da downtown de Nova Iorque, o trabalho pungente de o.blaat em Gaze, onde apresenta uma mão cheia de colaborações com figuras incontornaveis da música electrónica como Ikue Mori, Kaffe Mathews, Toshio Kajiwara ou Dj Olive, e In the Cochlea, uma peça minuciosa originalmente concebida para escuta com auscultadores, é profundamente arrebatador. Ouça-o!

Via-a uma vez em concerto, com o computador atrás da audiência, ligada ao palco por um fio de luz, como se fosse um cordão umbilical a que ela se segurava enquanto simultaneamente se parecia querer libertar. O público, perplexo, olhava para um palco vazio, alheio à performer que estava atrás de si. Nestes dias em que a nossa experimentação da música é mais e mais mediada, parece normal que a presença física dos músicos seja questionada por pessoas como o.blaat. Como podemos reconciliar a presença ao vivo dos músicos com a música acusmática, tão fácil de descarregar da internet onde quer que estejamos? Neste CD, o.blaat apresenta-se com alguns dos seus colaboradores regulares, Kaffe Mathews, Toshio Kajiwara, dj Olive, Eyvind Kang, Ikue Mori, Aki Onda e Akio Mokuno. A segunda parte do CD é concebida para escuta por auscultadores, tal como um cientista que olha por um microscópio. Revela paisagens sonoras cheias de minúcia e movimentos eléctricos. O sapateado de o.blaat transformou-se em leves toques no teclado, subtis e precisos. Esta é a primeira edição de o.blaat e apresentaa como uma das principais protagonistas da nova cena electrónica da downtown de Nova Iorque. Este disco vem finalmente tornar o.blaat audível para uma audiência mais alargada, permitindo-lhe simultaneamente manter a invisibilidade, algo que com toda a certeza muito lhe agradará. (excerto das notas de Christian Marclay)

Gaze:
01: one morning (c/ Kaffe Matthews)
02: egg salad sandwich (c/ Toshio Kajiwara)
03: bulle-1
04: bulle-2
05: gone fishing (c/ dj Olive)
06: afternoon (c/ sound modules by Aki Onda & Akio Mokuno)
07: hanging sky (c/ Ikue Mori)
08: nightfall
09: froid (c/ sound module by Eyvind Kang)

In the Cochlea:
10: scatsil
11: 39°
12: eight-o
13: yonofushigi
14: snowlight
15: nightvision
16: miminohone
17: miminohonenouta
18: centipede

19: swel [data track / quicktime]

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| O.BLAAT                                           |
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Residente em Brooklyn, Nova Iorque, a artista sonora, compositora, produtora de eventos [electroluxe] e membro da share.dj, o.blaat (Keiko Uenishi) é conhecida por criar ambientes audio interactivos como 'beat piece (with Ping-Pong game)', 'audio coat check', 'coupier' e 'fillip'. Depois de actuar alguns anos com um sistema electrónico manufacturado, o 'tapboard.effector.soundsystem', Uenishi tem ultimamente explorado a mobilidade do powerbook e a sua presença mais discreta. o.blaat actuou em vários locais e eventos em Nova Iorque, incluindo Tonic, The Cooler, The Kitchen, SHARE at openair, Whitney Museum of American Art, P.S. 1 Contemporary Art Center, American Museum of Moving Image, UnityGain, phonomena, Rhizome.org, White Columns, NYC, Vox Populi Gallery em Philladelphia, e também na Europa: Rhiz & Phonotaktik Festival (Viena) na Áustria; NBI, Bastard, Staatsbank, clubtransmediale festival 2004 (todos em Berlim); A-Musik (Colónia), na Alemanha; Le Lieu Unique (Nantes), Zoobizarre (Bordéus), Transfert 2003 (Lille-Paris-Poitiers-Bordéus) em França; STEIM (Amesterdão), WORM (Roterdão) na Holanda; RAS gallery (Barcelona) em Espanha; What Is Music? Festival em Melbourne e Sydney, na Austrália.

Colaborou com inúmeros artistas, incluindo: Ikue Mori, DJ Olive, Lloop, Miguel Frasconi, Timeblind, Eyvind Kang, Sachiko M, Tetsuji Akiyama, Aki Onda, Toshio Kajiwara, Zeena Parkins, Christine Bard, Kaffe Matthews, Georg Zeitblom, Ralph Steinbrüchel, Günter Müller, Norbert Morslang, Anthony Coleman, Kurt Ralske, Lukasz Lysakowski, HC Gilje, Eric Redlinger, Heimir Björgúlfsson, entre outros. Participou na peça para 17 guitarras e powerbooks de Marina Rosenfeld, 'Sheer Frost Orchestra 2000', e foi membro de um quarteto de computadores e electrónica com Ikue Mori, Kaffe Mathews e Marina Rosenfeld, gravado por encomenda de STEIM, Amesterdão, Holanda, 2001.

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| O.BLAAT EM CONCERTO EM PORTUGAL                   |
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Durante a próxima semana, Keiko Uenishi fará uma autêntica tournée portuguesa, com concertos em Setúbal, Lisboa e Porto. Não perca esta oportunidade única para  aver ao vivo:

02.06
o.blaat + Paulo Raposo + Vitor Joaquim
entrEMEs#4, Luisa Todi, Setúbal.pt

03.06
o.blaat
Ok.Suitcase
ZDB, Lisboa.pt
(lançamento Crónica 012~2004 e Crónica 011~2004)

04.06
o.blaat
Beat_Map hdj
Aniki Bóbó, Porto.pt
(lançamento Crónica 012~2004)

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| novo lançamento                                   |
| Miguel Flor: On Cotton                            |
| Crónica 013~2004                                  |
| 5 tamanhos, 3 cores                               |
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Pois, definitivamente o Verão parece ter feito uma retirada estratégica. Talvez se lembrem de num dos nossos últimos mails ter sido escrito que o Miguel Flor, o nosso iconoclasta pluridisciplinar preferido, estava a desenhar uma micro-colecção de T-shirts para a Crónica. Bom, estão prontas, em vermelho, preto e cinza, perspontos exclusivos, 100% algodão e bordadas com o ripoff da HMV. A escolha do Miguel Flor para desenhar as nossas T-shirts é, mais uma vez -- no que a qualidade e talento diz respeito, uma prova cabal que a Crónica não faz concessões, mesmo quando se trata de T-shirts.

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| PEDRO TUDELA + AGF                                |
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Este é um encontro inédito entre Pedro Tudela, uma presença constante no panorama nacional da música electrónica e multimédia da última década, quer nos trabalhos individuais, quer com colectivos como os mute life dept. [MLd] ou o trio de "laptops" @c, e Antye Greie Fuchs, conhecida como membro dos Laub, bem como pelas colaborações com Craig Armstrong e Vlaldislav Delay. No projecto AGF, Greie reune a arte e a tecnologia para reordenar os restos e vestígios de uma "e-poesia" e explorar os processos de edição e novas relações entre a linguagem e a canção.

29.05
Pedro Tudela + AGF
Auditório do Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Serralves, Porto.pt

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| CRÓNICA ALL STARS NO ANVERSÁRIO DE SERRALVES      |
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O Museu de Serralves faz anos e celebra-os com uma festa de arromba para a qual a Crónica também foi convidada. Só temos 40 minutos, mas uma sala fantástica e um alinhamento de mini concertos para um domingo à tarde perfeito.

06.06
Crónica All Stars @ the Serralves Birthday Party
um concerto de 40' com: Pedro Tudela, Miguel Carvalhais, Return, Vitor Joaquim, Paulo Raposo, o.blaat, Lia
Casa de Serralves, Porto.pt

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| PRÓXIMOS CONCERTOS                                |
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Um longo programa! Se visitar o festival Sónar em Barcelona, esteja atento às performances de Lia e Durán Vázquez.

28.05
André Gonçalves
Kruppa
Casa dos Dias d'Água, Lisboa.pt

29.05
Pedro Tudela + AGF
Auditório do Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Serralves, Porto.pt

02.06
o.blaat + Paulo Raposo + Vitor Joaquim
entrEMEs#4, Luisa Todi, Setúbal.pt

03.06
o.blaat
Ok.Suitcase
ZDB, Lisboa.pt
(lançamento Crónica 012~2004 e Crónica 011~2004)

04.06
o.blaat
Beat_Map hdj
Aniki Bóbó, Porto.pt
(lançamento Crónica 012~2004)

05.06
Durán Vázquez
Christine Fowler
Beat_Map hdj
Maus Hábitos, Porto.pt

05.06
André Gonçalves & Paulo Raposo
CEM, Lisboa.pt

05-11.06
Vitor Joaquim + Nuno Rebelo
workshop e concerto de música improvisada
Ecodrome, Bragança.pt

06.06
Crónica All Stars @ the Serralves Birthday Party
um concerto de 40' com: Pedro Tudela, Miguel Carvalhais, Return, Vitor Joaquim, Paulo Raposo, o.blaat, Lia
Casa de Serralves, Porto.pt

12.06
@c (visuais de Lia)
Paulo Raposo
Casa dos Dias d'Água, Lisboa.pt

17.06
Durán Vázquez
Sónar, Barcelona.es

17.06
Lia
visuais para Ryuichi Sakamoto + OBC orchestra
Sónar, Barcelona.es

17.06
Receptor + outros
Fuera de Série MiniFest
Sifó, Barcelona.es

18.06
Lia
palestras sonorama
Sónar, Barcelona.es

18.06
Lia
visuais no SónarClub
Sónar, Barcelona.es

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| PRÓXIMOS LANÇAMENTOS                              |
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Ainda antes do verão será lançado um novo disco de Heimir Björgúlfsson, Pimmon and Helgi Thorsson: still important somekind not normally seen (always not unfinished), Crónica 014~2004. Será a banda sonora perfeita para a pausa estival.

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From epistolaris at freemail.hu  Thu May 27 19:26:19 2004
From: epistolaris at freemail.hu (epistolaris at freemail.hu)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:26:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: -?-
In-Reply-To: p05200f00bcdb9670f5be@[80.218.209.93]
Message-ID: sympa.1085678709.30584.136@anart.no

I have seen Keiko Suzuki recently in Novi Sad. She's fine.

greetings,
ab



From fmadre at free.fr  Thu May 27 19:24:22 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:24:22 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
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At 18:37 27/05/2004, you wrote:
>suisse allemand plutôt

c'est bon
vous appuyez ma candidature ?



> > il faut parler alsacien aussi ???
> >
> >
> > Le jeudi, 27 mai 2004, à 15:37 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a écrit
> > :
> >
> >>>
> >>> does one _have to live in austria to get the job?
> >>
> >> pfff ..
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> >> http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung
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> >>
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From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Thu May 27 19:55:57 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:55:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] Artistic Director AEC
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ouais, de toutes nos forces,
et si tu t'emmerdes là-bas,
t'auras qu'à nous inviter :)

kisses
astrëe

> At 18:37 27/05/2004, you wrote:
>>suisse allemand plutôt
>
> c'est bon
> vous appuyez ma candidature ?
>
>
>
>> > il faut parler alsacien aussi ???
>> >
>> >
>> > Le jeudi, 27 mai 2004, à 15:37 Europe/Paris, claudia westermann a
>> écrit
>> > :
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> does one _have to live in austria to get the job?
>> >>
>> >> pfff ..
>> >>
>> >> http://www.aec.at/ausschreibung
>> >>
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From sondheim at panix.com  Thu May 27 20:01:47 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:01:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] \\ very apropos
In-Reply-To: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405271401260.25131@panix3.panix.com>



I assume Josh is someone you don't like?

- Alan


On Thu, 27 May 2004 integer at www.god-emil.dk wrote:

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> to all occident MOTHER FUCKERS that overlooked the rape committed by Cycling74 INC + other filthy occident MOTHER FUCKERS
>
> MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS + MOTHER FUCKERS
>
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> goldberg - you filthy fucking SHIT - if I were you I would my mouth shut
> fat fucking sow bitch ass MOTHER FUCKER + all other lovely superlatives filthy FUCK
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From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Thu May 27 20:51:29 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:51:29 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] \\ very apropos
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405271401260.25131@panix3.panix.com>
References: <200405270726.i4R7Qh807952@www.god-emil.dk>
 <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405271401260.25131@panix3.panix.com>
Message-ID: <a06002004bcdbe84edaf4@[213.23.156.6]>

>I assume Josh is someone you don't like?
>

looks like 2x humor

>- Alan

well .. the net allows for all kind of dresses



From ivo at reporters.net  Thu May 27 19:50:55 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:50:55 -0400
Subject: (Fwd) FYI: Plane Turned Around After 9/11 Discussion (AP)
Message-ID: <40B5F23F.10929.31E82A68@localhost>

How does that saying go? That if you do not protest violations 
against others "they" will come after you at the end, and there will 
be nobody left to raise the voice on your behalf. That saying really 
went a long way in Bush's US - from arresting Muslims to arresting 
Born-Again Christians!!! So, who s safe if just an overheard remark 
will get FBI to turn around flights?
ivo

------- Forwarded message follows -------
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4138523,00.html

Plane Turned Around After 9/11 Discussion

Thursday May 27, 2004 1:46 PM

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) - A plane was turned around on the runway and
returned to the gate after three men were overheard praying and
discussing the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

The men - two ministers from Toronto and one of their cousins from 
the United States - were on a Continental flight Wednesday headed to
Newark, N.J.

The pilot taxied back to Buffalo-Niagara International Airport, where
members of the joint terrorism task force in Buffalo interviewed the
men and fellow passengers.

The ministers were identified as the Rev. Komal Singh and the Rev.
Yohan Heenatigala. The third man was not identified.

Singh was on his way to an evangelical crusade in Baltimore when he
told another passenger that the passenger's last breath on Earth 
would be his first breath in heaven if he became a born-again 
Christian.

``My first reaction was someone was just talking and someone got
nervous and that's exactly what it turned out to be, but it has to be
checked out,'' said Peter Ahearn, FBI special agent in charge.

The men were released and the flight took off.


_____



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 20:45:51 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:45:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405271845.i4RIjp308997@www.god-emil.dk>


>I assume Josh is someone you don't like?
>
>- Alan


whatever gave you that idea.
i like everyone ... and i like him as much as i like the MOTHER FUCKING refuse he calls his art



>>I assume Josh is someone you don't like?
>>
>
>looks like 2x humor
>
>>- Alan
>
>well .. the net allows for all kind of dresses

uen l!ku!d evaporatez !t zoakz up heat










From to-me at mi2.hr  Thu May 27 22:19:25 2004
From: to-me at mi2.hr (tomislav medak)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:19:25 +0200
Subject: A spectre is haunting Europe - the GNU Spectrum... 
Message-ID: <40B64D4D.3010001@mi2.hr>

GNU Spectrum public discussion

===================================

With the publication of the "GNU Pauk" reader forthcoming, we invite you 
to an open online discussion of the selection of reader texts in english 
collected under the title "GNU Spectrum" and to be found at the 
http://www.gnupauk.org/EnglishGnuSpectrum. There you can find links to 
all the original texts and to their translations into Croatian that will 
be published in the reader. The entire discussion will be published 
intact on a CD ROM that will come with the print publication.

The "GNU Spectrum" discusses the alternatives to the restrictive 
understanding and legislative regulation of intellectual property and 
copyright that serve today to uphold the corporate interests of music, 
film and entertainment industry in general. The examples of such 
distorted perspectives can also be found in the appropriation of 
scientific research and discoveries (in medicine, genetic engineering, 
biotechnologies etc.) by the private capital by means of absurd patents 
or monopolization of distribution of scientific papers in privately 
owned scientific newspapers accessible only to the richest.

"GNU Spectrum" is a collection of essays inspired by the Free Software 
movement which, with its collaborative model of production, increasingly 
imposes itself as a successful alternative to the Microsoft monopoly on 
the OS market. Tomislav Medak and Marcell Mars have made a selection of 
texts by the prominent theoreticians of new media and technologies and 
prominent actors in the GNU movement, who reflect on the possibilities 
of resistance to the stifling of freedom to create, collaborate and 
share in the broader field of intellectual production. Richard Barbrook, 
Manuel DeLanda, Lawrence Lessig, Richard Stallman, Josephine Berry a.o. 
announce the move towards GNU in art, economy, social theory, politics...

The print publication, "GNU Pauk". will be published during July by the 
Multimedia Institute and DAF (both Zagreb, Croatia). In the spirit of 
the GNU movement everyone can participate in the production of this 
book, by proposing and commenting the selection of texts, issues in them 
and translations into croatian that can be found at 
http://www.gnupauk.org and that are available under the GNU General 
Public License. Your contribution will be published on the CD ROM that 
will come with the print publication.

Kind regards,
Tomislav Medak

===================================

contacts:
Tomislav Medak
tomi at mi2.hr

Marcell Mars
m at rcell.net



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 23:44:55 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:44:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405272144.i4RLitx09186@www.god-emil.dk>



joshua goldberg - 

>hey, cheers to you too, babe!
>
>last night was sensational as always.  thanks for bringing the beer!


I am not Jeremy Burstein MOTHER FUCKER

2 fat bald jankee MOTHER FUCKERS ... Jitter mascot












From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 28 00:02:44 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:02:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405272202.i4RM2i309210@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0527-03.htm


reminds of Cycling74's BULLSHIT / illegal excuse for deleting
the Max-l archives - that their server was hacked ... on the same day
Jitter was released ... how FUCKING gullible ... like Clayton being out of the country
like Zicarelli being on vacation ...

2 bit criminal MOTHER FUCKERS





but the best part is that the idiots who believed all that SHIT
must be dumber than Zicarelli ... nice FUCKING community







From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 23:32:20 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:32:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405272132.i4RLWK909175@www.god-emil.dk>



>venom

mais non. cest pas ca.

it is just an upside down FUCKING mirror -> =cw4t7abs
we like FUCKING queens english ... and if in the process
we vomit on the criminal MOTHER FUCKING apes at Cycling74 - well

we cannot be FUCKING bothered


so yep - FUCK ALL OF YOU MOTHER FUCKERS + s pi t


simply.FUCKING.sanitary - enjoy - this is precisely how you appeared to us
for the past 8 years - SHIT 


- 3 fabrik wool ... 
from the stories of vladimir nobokov











From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Thu May 27 23:18:12 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:18:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405272118.i4RLICo09161@www.god-emil.dk>



good FUCKING luck. we also gave the criminal MOTHER FUCKERS at Cycling74 INC
the opportunity to prove they did not RAPE our intellectual property.

the criminal MOTHER FUCKERS at Cycling74 INC did not, offering instead
they didnt do anything wrong because they didn't know it was wrong,
because they are not attorneys - pathetic bovine MOTHER FUCKERS

CHEERS also to all the MOTHER FUCKERS that cheered the Cycling74 RAPE on

stupid barbaric MOTHER FUCKERS


http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0527-01.htm











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From: hub at x-arn.org (HUB)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:37:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: ASRF/0.3
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From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Fri May 28 00:35:30 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:35:30 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Fw: for Syndicate GRZINIC: Kurtz case, petition signed by US
 and send to the local USA Embassies???
Message-ID: <a06002012bcdc1bc9ebd7@[213.23.156.6]>

>X-Delivery-Time: 1085695907
>From: "Marina Grzinic" <margrz at zrc-sazu.si>
>To: "Claudia Westermann" <media at ezaic.de>
>Subject: Fw: for Syndicate GRZINIC: Kurtz case, petition signed by 
>US and send to the local USA Embassies???
>Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:09:07 +0200
>X-Priority: 3
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:margrz at zrc-sazu.si>Marina Grzinic
>To: <mailto:faces-l at lists.servus.at>faces-l at lists.servus.at
>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:07 AM
>Subject: GRZINIC: Kurtz case, petition signed by US and send to the 
>local USA Embassies???
>
>Lets start a petition for KURTZ in favour that his things  are to be 
>returned IMMEDITELY and to stop any police FBI, CIA and friends 
>further actions toward him...
>
>Who can write a statement in proper english? and we start to send 
>the petitions, each of us to the local USA Embassies and publish in 
>the local newsapers...
>
>LETS internationalize the thing in hard printing form....
>
>Marina Grzinic




From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Fri May 28 11:55:22 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:55:22 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [faces] fwd  [nettime-see] FBI ADBDUCTS ARTIST, SEIZES
 ART - HELP URGENTLY NEEDED
Message-ID: <a06002006bcdcbcc3db6e@[213.23.152.28]>

forward this too,
from Marina

>  >
>>
>>  May 25, 2004
>>  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>
>>  FBI ABDUCTS ARTIST, SEIZES ART
>>  Feds Unable to Distinguish Art from Bioterrorism
>>  Grieving Artist Denied Access to Deceased Wife's Body
>>
>>             DEFENSE  FUND ESTABLISHED - HELP URGENTLY NEEDED
>>
>>  Steve Kurtz was already suffering from one tragedy when he called 911
>>  early in the morning to tell them his wife had suffered a cardiac arrest
>>  and died in her sleep.  The police arrived and, cranked up on the
>>  rhetoric
>>  of the "War on Terror," decided Kurtz's art supplies were actually
>>  bioterrorism weapons.
>>
>>  Thus began an Orwellian stream of events in which FBI agents abducted
>>  Kurtz without charges, sealed off his entire block, and confiscated his
>>  computers, manuscripts, art supplies... and even his wife's body.
>>
>>  Like the case of Brandon Mayfield, the Muslim lawyer from Portland
>>  imprisoned for two weeks on the flimsiest of false evidence, Kurtz's
>>  case
>>  amply demonstrates the dangers posed by the USA PATRIOT Act coupled with
>>  government-nurtured terrorism hysteria.
>>
>>  Kurtz's case is ongoing, and, on top of everything else, Kurtz is
>>  facing a
>>  mountain of legal fees. Donations to his legal defense can be made at
>>  http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/
>>
>>  FEAR RUN AMOK
>>
>>  Steve Kurtz is Associate Professor in the Department of Art at the State
>>  University of New York's University at Buffalo, and a member of the
>>  internationally-acclaimed Critical Art Ensemble.
>>
>>  Kurtz's wife, Hope Kurtz, died in her sleep of cardiac arrest in the
>>  early
>>  morning hours of May 11. Police arrived, became suspicious of Kurtz's
>>  art
>>  supplies and called the FBI.
>>
>>  Within hours, FBI agents had "detained" Kurtz as a suspected
>>  bioterrorist
>>  and cordoned off the entire block around his house. (Kurtz walked away
>>  the
>>  next day on the advice of a lawyer, his "detention" having proved to be
>>  illegal.) Over the next few days, dozens of agents in hazmat suits,
>>  from a
>>  number of law enforcement agencies, sifted through Kurtz's work,
>>  analyzing
>>  it on-site and impounding computers, manuscripts, books, equipment, and
>>  even his wife's body for further analysis. Meanwhile, the Buffalo Health
>>  Department condemned his house as a health risk.
>>
>>  Kurtz, a member of the Critical Art Ensemble, makes art which addresses
>>  the politics of biotechnology. "Free Range Grains," CAE's latest
>>  project,
>>  included a mobile DNA extraction laboratory for testing food products
>>  for
>>  possible transgenic contamination. It was this equipment which triggered
>>  the Kafkaesque chain of events.
>>
>>  FBI field and laboratory tests have shown that Kurtz's equipment was not
>>  used for any illegal purpose. In fact, it is not even _possible_ to use
>>  this equipment for the production or weaponization of dangerous germs.
>>  Furthermore, any person in the US may legally obtain and possess such
>>  equipment.
>>
>>  "Today, there is no legal way to stop huge corporations from putting
>>  genetically altered material in our food," said Defense Fund spokeswoman
>>  Carla Mendes. "Yet owning the equipment required to test for the
>>  presence
>>  of 'Frankenfood' will get you accused of 'terrorism.' You can be
>>  illegally
>>  detained by shadowy government agents, lose access to your home, work,
>>  and
>>  belongings, and find that your recently deceased spouse's body has been
>>  taken away for 'analysis.'"
>>
>>  Though Kurtz has finally been able to return to his home and recover his
>>  wife's body, the FBI has still not returned any of his equipment,
>>  computers or manuscripts, nor given any indication of when they will.
>>  The
>>  case remains open.
>>
>>  HELP URGENTLY NEEDED
>>
>>  A small fortune has already been spent on lawyers for Kurtz and other
>>  Critical Art Ensemble members. A defense fund has been established at
>>  http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/ to help defray the legal costs which
>  > will continue to mount so long as the investigation continues. Donations
>>  go directly to the legal defense of Kurtz and other Critical Art
>>  Ensemble
>>  members. Should the funds raised exceed the cost of the legal defense,
>>  any
>>  remaining money will be used to help other artists in need.
>>
>>  To make a donation, please visit http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/
>>
>>  For more information on the Critical Art Ensemble, please visit
>>  http://www.critical-art.net/
>>
>>  Articles about the case:
>>  http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/news-WKBW-2.html
>>  http://www.rtmark.com/CAEdefense/news-WKBW.html
>>
>>  On advice of counsel, Steve Kurtz is unable to answer questions
>>  regarding
>>  his case. Please direct questions or comments to Carla Mendes
>>  <CAEdefense at rtmark.com>.
>>
>>
>>
>>  ______________________________________________
>>  SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe
>>  Info, archive and help:
>>  http://coredump.buug.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre
>>
>>  ...............................................
>>  Nettime-SEE mailing list
>>  Nettime-SEE at nettime.org
>>  http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-see
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
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>>  faces-l at lists.servus.at
>>  http://lists.servus.at/mailman/listinfo/faces-l
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From sondheim at panix.com  Fri May 28 03:26:26 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Hometown escapes:
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405272126170.7296@panix3.panix.com>




Hometown escapes:


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920 PM EDT Wed may 26 2004

The National Weather Service in Binghamton has issued a

* Flash Flood Warning for...
  Luzerne County in northeast Pennsylvania


* until 1215 am EDT

* at 913 PM EDT...National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated
  very heavy rain was falling in western Luzerne County and also over
  east central Luzerne County...southeast of Wilkes-Barre.

* Locations in the warning include but are not limited to
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From: info at realtokyo.co.jp (Info)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:28:36 +0900
Subject: REALTOKYO MM Vol. 181
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[This Week's Index]

(1) Out of Tokyo Vol. 088
Transfigurations of Bookshops
by Ozaki Tetsuya

(2) Tokyo Editors' Diary
Baba Masataka ("A" magazine) Vol. 018

(3) Event Pick of the Week
audio forma presents Berlin Electronic Modern
by Andreas



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===============================================================
(1) Out Of Tokyo
===============================================================

Vol. 088: Transfigurations of Bookshops
by Ozaki Tetsuya

As you'll know if you happen to live in the Kansai area, there
are a number of shops in Kyoto that cater in a careful way to
a book-loving clientele. Among them are Sangatsu Shobo in
Teramachi-Nijo, Media Shop in Kawaramchi-Sanjo, Ichijoji's
Keibunsha, and many more. Tokyo, of course, has such shops as
NADiff, Aoyama Book Center or Libro Book Center to offer, but
while the shops in Kyoto are of a somewhat smaller scale, the
atmosphere there is more intimate and relaxing. And that in such
a city... (oh, sorry for that!) I'm not so familiar with the
situation in Osaka, but according to a member of our editorial
team who went there recently, also in Osaka pleasant book and
accessory shops that sell Japanese and foreign, new and used
books such as Calo Bookshop and Cafe, Berlin Books, Colombo
Design Store and others have increased there.

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http://www.realtokyo.co.jp/en/column/ozaki88.htm


==============================================================
(2) Tokyo Editors' Diary
==============================================================

Baba Masataka ("A") Vol. 018

The man who disperses water

I'm still visiting Beijing frequently.
That's because we're establishing office and trade facilities
in a suburban town called Xing Long, a 30-minute car ride from
Tiananmen in the centre of Beijing. While I'm advocating all
things "R" in Tokyo, here I'm in the middle of a scrap-and-build
project and watch building after building being erected where
once was nothign but vast plains. Last month I spent a week in
Beijing to witness the construction on the home straight, doing
my work in a corner of our local partner's office. It's a nicely
spacious, sun-drenched place with huge windows, and our frustrated
staff members who accompanied me suggested, "let's not go back to
our dark Nihonbashi warehouse..."

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===============================================================
(3) Event Pick of the Week
===============================================================

audio forma presents Berlin Electronic Modern

There is, of course, spirited activity also in countries like
France for instance, and Japan has a number of good labels to
offer too. But as two outstanding poles in the world of
electronica, the Berlin scene and Tokyo's border-crossing (in
any sense of the term) Progressive Form label have been playing
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delivered in the last couple of years some of the best the genre
has to offer with "Eject Your Mind" and "Director's Cut"
respectively, are undoubtedly this time's highlights, together
with Morr artists Herrmann & Kleine. But also the sets of
Japanese representatives such as Sketch Show and Kurokawa Ryoichi
are not to be missed.
--Andreas

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From ivo at reporters.net  Fri May 28 15:12:42 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:12:42 -0400
Subject: Bill Gates and Serbian Orthodox Church
Message-ID: <40B7028A.5182.360FCEAF@localhost>

Microsoft released a copy of Office in Serbian (cyrillic). MS then 
gave a free software package not to a school or library - but to 
patriarch Pavle of Serbian Orthodox Church.
------- Forwarded message follows -------
http://www.danas.co.yu/20040528/dezurna1.html

Poklon Majkrosofta Srpskoj pravoslavnoj crkvi
Programski paket "MS Ofisa" na srpskom jeziku

Beograd - Predstavnici "Majkrosofta" urucili su juce patrijarhu 
Srpske
pravoslavne crkve Pavlu prve kopije programskog paketa "MS Ofisa"
(Office) na srpskom jeziku, saopštila je ta kompanija. Patrijah Pavle
je rekao da je to "velika stvar za naš narod i njegovo znanje, ali i
za našu crkvu u kojoj se sve više koriste racunari", navodi se u
saopštenju. Generalni direktor "Majkrosofta" za SCG Dejan Cvetkovic
izrazio je nadu da ce taj proizvod, rezultat timskog rada strucnjaka
iz Irske, Grcke i Srbije, naci svoje mesto u SPC. Kancelarija
Majkrosofta u Srbiji je u aprilu promovisala "Ofis 2003", a kljucni
programi iz tog paketa (Word, Excel, Outlook i Power Point) dostupni
su na cirilicnom i latinicnom pismu. Beta

---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org





From replic88t at replic88t.net  Fri May 28 15:16:41 2004
From: replic88t at replic88t.net (replic**t)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:16:41 +0100
Subject: Boardroom Boxing Session
Message-ID: <420F8112-B0A9-11D8-AD0F-000A95C8E024@replic88t.net>

Replic**t Ltd
corporate whore or art bore?

live online today at 3pm BST.
www.furtherfield.org/furtherstudio

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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 28 18:13:13 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:13:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405281613.i4SGDDM10838@www.god-emil.dk>



>From: tomislav medak <to-me at mi2.hr>

>GNU Spectrum public discussion
>
>===================================
>
>With the publication of the "GNU Pauk" reader forthcoming, we invite you 
>to an open online discussion of the selection of reader texts in english 
>collected under the title "GNU Spectrum" and to be found at the 
>http://www.gnupauk.org/EnglishGnuSpectrum. There you can find links to 
>all the original texts and to their translations into Croatian that will 
>be published in the reader. The entire discussion will be published 
>intact on a CD ROM that will come with the print publication.
>
>The "GNU Spectrum" discusses the alternatives to the restrictive 
>understanding and legislative regulation of intellectual property and 
>copyright that serve today to uphold the corporate interests of music, 

You know, some communists also proposed FREE access to women



>film and entertainment industry in general. The examples of such 
>distorted perspectives can also be found in the appropriation of 

Live Flesh




>tomislav medak

Fascist MOTHER FUCKER









From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Fri May 28 18:25:53 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:25:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ Cycling74 prison fotos
Message-ID: <200405281625.i4SGPr210856@www.god-emil.dk>






>Gertrúdis Callosidad 
>Fri, 28 May 2004 11:19:29 +0000 

>>From: joshua goldberg <josh at goldbergs.com>
>>Reply-To: 55 at bek.no
>>To: 55 at bek.no
>>Subject: Re: /55(no subject)
>>Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:50:01 -0400
>>
>>hey, cheers to you too, babe!
>>
>>last night was sensational as always.  thanks for bringing the beer!
>>
>
>thanks for the pictures! uau!
>
>http://uhpdistro.webcindario.com/tortura%20irak.htm



mda, and here is Zicarelli during a Cycling74 company wide meeting


David ZIKFUK Zicarelli has said:

"Apparently Andrew, who gave NN the MSP license, has never met NN but
fell for her in a big way (Andrew has, incidentally, dated Bjork's
mother! is that a cool fact or what?). Anyway, both Beatrice and
Chris Murtagh have spent a ridiculous amount of time following various
leads. [...] She was interested in my Australian information [...]
Chris has some other fairly interesting insights, at least about the
person doing the e-mail activity."


and that's just a tiny part of it.


sick criminal jankee MO DZR FU KRZ














From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 29 03:52:42 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 03:52:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405290152.i4T1qgW14188@www.god-emil.dk>



>"this is a struggle of good and evil. and good will prevail" (g.w.bush)

xy = good
2x = evil

>since evil and good have become the same (g.w.bush + n+1_more) 

nn


>this 
>duality does not make sense anymore. nor does interpolation between the 
>two.

the bird fights its way out of the egg.
the egg is the world.
who would be born must first destroy a world.
the bird flies to god.
the god's name is abraxas.







my nature had never been disposed to this kind of direkt
and conscious investigation where at first one finds
only truths that are so much dead weight in one's hand.


>hence the only way must be an extrapolation, i.e. exertion of the 
>shutdown command.

8th world salt symposium, says the queen, hurriedly and clumsily signing in rose
language. she leaves the scene. falling asleep as soon as she touches the
heavily starched bed covers.

She disappears from 01 world and ventures to another.

..............

01 else restarts or shuts down the computer and turns around.




simply.unconscious occident bagatele

uh! d!d sosnovsky return 2 rus!a !f he kneu he ud b 01 zlave -> www.lancome.com










From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sat May 29 04:54:40 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 04:54:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ land of the MOTHER FUCKING FREE ... 2 eat
Message-ID: <200405290254.i4T2seq14255@www.god-emil.dk>



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0528-02.htm

















From ivo at reporters.net  Sat May 29 19:29:41 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 13:29:41 -0400
Subject: From Abu Ghraib to Jezevo
Message-ID: <40B89045.5793.3C216F8A@localhost>

i am sure Croatian tv can conduct a poll showing that majority of 
Croatian citizens do not consider what happene at Jezevo torture - 
but i am not sure if that poll would have the same weight against the 
AI accusations, as apparently the American one has. some countries 
are just more sovereign than others.
ivo

News Release Issued by the International Secretariat of Amnesty
International

AI INDEX: EUR 64/002/2004 28 May 2004

Croatia: Implement recommendations to prevent torture


Amnesty International today called on the Croatian authorities to 
immediately implement the recommendations of the United Nations (UN)
Committee against Torture (CAT) which were issued on 14 May 2004, 
after
the CAT considered Croatia's third periodic report.


Prior to the examination of Croatia's report, Amnesty International 
had
submitted a written briefing to the CAT. The document Croatia: 
Briefing to
the United Nations Committee against Torture, published today, 
details
Amnesty International's concerns with regard to issues related to 
torture
and other forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or 
punishment in
Croatia as they were included in the organization's briefing to the 
CAT.
Amnesty International's concerns focus in particular on:

- the failure of the Croatian authorities to thoroughly and promptly
investigate acts of torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading 
treatment,
which occurred during the 1991-1995 armed conflict between the 
Croatian
Army and Croatian Serb armed forces, aided by the then Yugoslav 
People's
Army (Jugoslovenska narodna armija - JNA), and to ensure that the
perpetrators of these human rights violations are brought to justice,
either before domestic courts or before the International Criminal
Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (Tribunal);

- the failure of the authorities to thoroughly and promptly 
investigate
violent attacks by non-state actors against returnees and members of
ethnic minorities and to ensure that the perpetrators of these human
rights abuses are brought to justice;

- reports of harassment, ill-treatment and arbitrary detention of 
refugees
and asylum-seekers detained in the Ježevo Reception Centre for 
Foreigners;

- the failure of the authorities to prevent serious violence and 
bullying
between children and young adults placed in social care institutions.


Amnesty International welcomed the recommendations issued by the CAT 
and
urged the Croatian authorities to implement them. The CAT recommended
inter alia:

- to "take effective measures to ensure impartial, full and prompt 
investigations into all allegations of torture and other cruel, 
inhuman or
degrading treatment, the prosecution and punishment of the 
perpetrators as
appropriate and irrespective of their ethnic origin, and the 
provision of
fair and adequate compensation for the victims";

- to fully cooperate with the Tribunal ensuring that all indicted 
persons
present on Croatian territory are arrested and transferred to the
Tribunal's custody;

- to ensure the protection of ethnic and other minorities by 
undertaking
all effective measures to prosecute and punish all violent acts 
against
these individuals, establishing programs to increase awareness 
raising,
preventing and combating this form of violence, and including this 
issue
in the training of law-enforcement officials and other relevant
professional groups;

- to refrain from detaining asylum-seekers and illegal migrants for 
prolonged periods and adopt all necessary measures to improve the 
material
conditions of the reception centres for asylum-seekers and 
immigrants,
ensuring the physical and psychological integrity of all individuals
accommodated in these centres;

- to "increase the protection of children and young adults placed in
social care institutions, inter alia, by ensuring that violent acts 
are
reported and investigated, providing support and treatment for 
children
and young adults with psychological problems, and ensuring that these
institutions employ trained personnel, such as social workers,
psychologists and pedagogues".


In its own recommendations to the Croatian authorities, Amnesty 
International called for measures to be taken to ensure that 
perpetrators
of war crimes and crimes against humanity, including acts of torture,
cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment committed during 
the
1991-1995 conflict are brought to justice, either before the Tribunal 
or
before domestic courts in proceedings that meet recognized 
international
standards of fairness.

Amnesty International urged the authorities to protect Serbian and 
other
minority refugees returning to Croatia and to end impunity for 
violent
attacks against returnees. The authorities should also promptly and
thoroughly investigate all racially motivated attacks against members 
of
Romani communities ensuring that the perpetrators are brought to 
justice.

Amnesty International urged the Croatian authorities to stop 
routinely
detaining, in some cases for prolonged periods, asylum-seekers and
undocumented migrants and to promptly, thoroughly and impartially
investigate all alleged cases of harassment and ill-treatment of 
refugees
held in detention facilities for asylum-seekers and undocumented 
migrants.

The organization also called on the authorities to ensure that 
children
resident in social care institutions are protected from violence and 
are
treated and supervised by professionally trained staff.

Amnesty International called on the European Union (EU) to ensure 
that
these recommendations will be given adequate attention in the
implementation of the European Partnership for Croatia proposed by 
the
European Commission in April. The draft Partnership lists the
strengthening of the judicial system, improved protection for 
minorities,
speeded up refugee returns and full cooperation with the Tribunal as
priorities for the country's preparations for further integration 
with the
EU. The European Partnership for Croatia is to be endorsed in 
conjunction
with the expected positive decision by the EU summit in mid-June to 
start
accession negotiations with Croatia.


View the full report "Croatia: Briefing to the United Nations 
Committee
Against Torture " at
http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maaciq8aa7c5IbdYiHgb/

Croatia in the Amnesty International Annual Report 2004: 
http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maaciq8aa7c5JbdYiHgb/

View all documents on Croatia 
http://amnesty-news.c.topica.com/maaciq8aa7c5KbdYiHgb/
Ivo Skoric
1773 Lexington Ave
New York NY 10029
212.369.9197
ivo at balkansnet.org
http://balkansnet.org





From ivo at reporters.net  Sat May 29 19:29:43 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 13:29:43 -0400
Subject: Tito's lost world 
Message-ID: <40B89047.4048.3C217A7E@localhost>

24 years since he died, Tito's legacy is still strong among peoples 
of former Yugoslavia - actually it is stronger now than it was 
immediately following his death. it is as if people first felt 
relieved that a dictator died and hoped for the democracy to come in 
his place, and then when they got war and poverty instead, they 
started to appreciate the good times they had under him. today, 
except for Slovenia and Croatia, economy is worse in all other parts 
of former Yugoslavia.

ivo
ps
sorry for the bad formatting, but i have my right arm in sling...

From: www.iwpr.net
NOSTALGIA GROWS FOR TITO'S LOST WORLD



Social and economic instability prompt many Balkan citizens to yearn 
for a
time of order and prosperity. 



By Marcus Tanner, Muhamet Hajrullahu in Pristina, Drago Hedl in 
Osijek,
Dino Bajramovic in Sarajevo, Mitko Jovanov in Skopje, Vladimir Sudar 
in
Belgrade and Tanja Matic in Subotica



Kaqusha Jashari, head of the Social Democratic Party of Kosovo, has 
fond
memories of the days when she carried the baton for Yugoslavia's late
strongman, President Josip Broz "Tito".



A prominent Albanian politician in the communist regime, she was
selected for the honour of carrying a baton containing a message from 
the
nation's youth to the president in a relay from Slovenia in the north 
to
Kosovo and Macedonia in the south.



The culmination was the handing of the baton to the president in the
army stadium in Belgrade amid cheering crowds on his birthday on May 
25.
"The celebration of worship for Tito fitted in perfectly with the
education we had at the time," Jashari recalled. "It was everyone's
celebration, a festival of youth."  



Jashari's views are less unusual than many think. While four of the 
six
Yugoslav republics are now independent states and Kosovo - still
technically part of Serbia - is desperate to become the fifth, many
inhabitants of the former federation, especially the elderly and 
those
from the poor south, recall Yugoslavia with nostalgia. 



For them it was a time when food and jobs were plentiful, crime was 
low,
ethnic differences were downplayed and difficult political decisions 
were
left to the uniformed Marshal, whose stern features stared down from
thousands of portraits in offices, railways stations, shops and 
homes.



"I was rich in Tito's time, there were factories and handicraft
businesses - we had jobs, we had everything," mused 84-year-old Mehdi
Shabani from Pristina. "The standard of life was far better," added 
Osman
Krasniqi, 62, also a resident of the Kosovo capital. "With a low 
salary
you could build a house - you can't do that now."



Kosovo was the least Yugoslav area of all,  for the simple reason 
that it
was the least Slav.  "Albanians were less connected with Yugoslavia 
than
the other nations because they were the only non-Slavs. All we had in
common was the communist ideology, which was less personal than 
sharing a
language, culture and religion," said Jashari. 



Among the neighbouring Slavs of Macedonia, where locals not only got
jobs and food but their own republic, affection for Tito is far 
greater.
Whereas Tito's once ubiquitous name has been torn down from most 
streets
and squares in ex-Yugoslavia, in the Macedonian capital of Skopje, 
the
largest and most elite school still sports the title "Josip Broz 
Tito" and
each May 25 it honours its patron saint with a folk dance and a
flower-laying ceremony. 



For many Macedonians, poverty-stricken independence has proved a poor
exchange for a secure life in a large Slav federation. "There was no
division between rich and poor, everybody could afford to go to 
school and
have a home and a job," maintained Makedonka Jancevska, 62, a retired
Macedonian language teacher. 



"Patriotism was fostered on a broader scale; it meant respect of
everything related to the uniqueness of all the nations and
nationalities that were part of Yugoslavia."



"The standard of living we had provided us with economic security and 
many
social benefits," recalled Petar Mojsov, 46, a Macedonian accountant.
"Everyone could afford a flat and a car. I travelled to Italy for
shopping. I went to Greece for a vacation whenever I felt like it."



Tose Nackov, an electrical technician, remembers when whole towns in
Macedonia turned out to welcome the birthday baton that youths like
Kaqusha Jashari of Kosovo once proudly carried. 



"We were impatient for the day when it would visit our town," Nackov
said. "It was like a holiday and we would all gather in the square to
welcome it and see it off on its way to another town."



Enthusiasm for Tito's memory is so strong in Macedonia that last year 
a
new association was set up under Slobodan Ugrinovski to celebrate his
life. His 6,180 club members go on trips to (the few) institutions 
still
bearing Tito's name and visit the main shrines, Tito's final resting 
place
in Belgrade's House of Flowers and his birthplace in Kumrovec, 
Croatia. 



As in Macedonia, the hapless inhabitants of war-torn, economically
ruined Bosnia and Herzegovina cannot help but contrast life under 
Tito
with what they have now. To Bosnians, Tito's name is widely 
associated
with "the good old times". 



Far from dimming, the cult of Tito there grows ever stronger. When 
the
authorities recently tried to rename the main street in Sarajevo 
after
Alija Izetbegovic, Bosnia's first post-independence president, the 
city's
inhabitants rose up, hanging a billboard across the boulevard with 
Tito's
image on it and the slogan "This is the Street of Marshall Tito". 
Months
after the initiative collapsed, this billboard remains. 



"The young are turning to Tito because he personified prosperity," 
said
Adnan Koric, a member of the Bosnian Association of Josip Broz Tito. 
"They
know that only during Tito's time we constantly progressed for 45 
years in
every aspect of social and economic life."  



Koric believes Bosnians yearn for the time when they did not need
several currencies and visas to cross what was once a single 
territory.
"Now we cannot spend a tank of fuel driving in a straight line 
without
getting six visas first," Koric joked.  



In Sarajevo, Tito's image has returned from the cellars and second-
hand
shops to popular bars and restaurants. At Tito Bar, a popular haunt 
of
students, young people and professionals, walls are covered in Tito
insignia and photographs while waiters  wear uniforms bearing Tito's
still-familiar signature. "I come here to think about and live in the
past," said 26-year-old Amel. "Whatever some may say, our past was
brighter than our future." 



While Bosnia and Macedonia lost much and gained little from the fall 
of
Tito's Yugoslavia, memories are less rosy in neighbouring Serbia and
Croatia. For more than a decade under the rule of Slobodan Milosevic, 
Tito
was demonised in Serbia as a Croatian enemy who had plotted the 
Serbs'
downfall in Yugoslavia.



But even in Serbia, the disappointments of the past decade, including 
lost
wars and collapsing living standards, have changed minds. Misa 
Djurkovic,
of the Belgrade Institute for European Studies, says a growing 
nostalgia
for Tito's era is related to more than sorrow for lost living 
standards. 



"Yearning for [the old Yugoslavia] is also a yearning for order and
dignity," he said. "Our 'soft' communist dictatorship was, after all, 
a
serious, well-established system in which there were none of the
robberies, chaos and anarchy that are now sadly typical."



Djurkovic believes this nostalgia has even spread to some of the 
younger
generation, "Youngsters today see in Yugo-nostalgia an instrument of
protest against the rotten legacy of the Nineties, which they have
inherited." 



There is certainly no sign of the House of Flowers shutting its doors 
to
pilgrims, though it is a more neglected site than it was in the 
Eighties,
when foreign diplomats and visiting heads of state came to the grave 
to
pay their respects as a matter of course.



But if the crowned heads of state and presidents no longer troop past
Tito's mausoleum, war veterans, communist party members and
non-governmental organisations, NGOs, still return on the late 
leader's
birthday. Svetlana Ognjanovic, the House of Flowers spokeswoman, said 
she
expected up to 2,000 people for this year's commemoration, including 
a
large party of Slovenian Hell's Angels (the motorcyclists have made 
an
annual pilgrimage to the site since 2000).



The head of the Tito Centre NGO, retired army general Stevan 
Mirkovic,
also marks the day with dinners of partisan-style beans and a re-
enactment
of the baton ceremony.  And in Serbia's far north, Blasko Draskic, 
73, has
gone as far as you can in a campaign to restore Tito's memory, 
opening a
theme park named "Yugoland" near the border town of Subotica. 



Mini-Yugoslavia has several of the geographical attributes of the 
former
Yugoslavia, including a hill named after its highest peak, Mt 
Triglav, in
Slovenia. Old flags with red stars flutter around the entrance, while
Tito's portrait adorns every wall, showing Tito hunting, playing the
piano, reading, dancing and paying state visits. Blasko even issues
citizenship papers for Yugoland to visitors, and has enrolled 2,500 
so
far. 



Draskic says the abolition of the name "Yugoslavia" was a crime. "The
government [of Serbia and Montenegro] has killed off the name of the 
best
country, Yugoslavia, the last thing that reminded us of former 
Yugoslavia,
but without asking people for their consent," he said. "I had to save 
it
for all Yugo-nostalgic people who can come here freely to enjoy 
memories
of Tito's time." 



Although Draskic claims visitors are all of ages, the photographs of
celebrations held in Yugoland suggest Yugo-nostalgia is mainly a
middle-aged or elderly phenomenon.  



Among the young people of all republics, interest is small or 
confined to
a ironic cult, a bit like those ex-east Germans who mock-celebrate 
their
communist past by driving Trabant cars and sporting badges with 
communist
slogans.



Aca Bogdanovic, 32, from Belgrade, said he only respected Tito 
"because he
was the greatest hedonist of the 20th century" - hardly the kind of
compliment real devotees appreciate. That kind of ironic appreciation 
is
equally evident in Tito's Croatian homeland where only a handful 
remain
faithful to his political ideas, while a much larger and younger 
group
enjoy experimenting with Titoist motifs.



"It is mostly the young who buy these t-shirts - those who weren't 
even
born when Tito died!" remarked a salesman in Osjek, in northeast 
Croatia
of his stack of t-shirts with Tito's face on them. 



Zagreb sociologist Drazen Lalic says that while only a few older 
people
can be described as truly Yugo-nostalgic, a growing interest in Tito
personally and in the country he once ruled stems from the fact that
Croatia is more at ease with itself now than it was ten years ago. 



"After years of hearing that we belong solely to the Mediterranean or
Central European culture, we are now facing the fact that Croatia 
also
belongs to the Balkan cultural circle," said Lalic.



"Yugo-nostalgia exists but people do not grieve for Yugoslavia as 
their
former state," said Milanka Opacic, of the Social Democratic Party. 
"They
grieve for the quality of life they had. They think they were much 
better
off, safer, had a better standard of living and better health 
protection
than they now have." 



The plain fact is that Yugo-nostalgia no longer antagonises anyone
because no one seriously believes Yugoslavia will ever be recreated. 
In
Croatia, as the country heads towards the European Union, Yugoslavia 
is
seen as a thing of the past - an unsuccessful project that cannot and 
will
not be restored. As a result, Yugo-nostalgics in Croatia are now 
viewed as
romantics, rather than the enemies of the state they were called 
during
the era of Croatia's nationalist, leader Franjo Tudjman.



Marcus Tanner is IWPR Balkan editor/trainer; Dino Bajramovic is 
culture
editor at the Sarajevo weekly, Slobodna Bosna; Vladimir Sudar and 
Mitko
Jovanov are journalists with the Belgrade weekly Reporter and the
Macedonian daily Dnevnik respectively; and Muhamet Hajrullahu, Drago 
Hedl
and Tanja Matic are regular IWPR contributors.
---------------------------------------------------------
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
balkansnet.org




From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 30 06:21:59 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 00:21:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: route 666 
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405300021500.12621@panix3.panix.com>




route 666


there's no accounting for me - i'm just along for the ride - it's fast and
furious - it's the ride of a lifetime - don't forget me - i'm disappearing
- i'm in the fog the rain the thunder - you can see my face when the
lightning strikes - what i've witnessed - no human being should ever see -
should ever have to see - we're picking up speed - the road stretches to
infinity - lights overhead - the great sloop disappears in the distance -
comes up behind me - passes - comes up behind me - never mind - :back on
the road again - boat truck with boat - schooner - should be scooner -
they're leaving the city for good - refugees - something's in the air -
i've seen it all - i've been there and back - i've been around the bend -
trust me, there's nothing - but really there's everything - experiences
unlike anything anyone else has ever - had or seen - or heard for that
matter - all the senses - what a buildup - but it's true every word of it
- and then some - "your forest is blasphemy unto the Loard" - what could
this person have been thinking - "youre riding the boat of truth and
conversion" - should have been Truth maybe Conversion - just there to the
left of me - hundred hundred twenty kilometers an hour - each of them
named and accounted for -:i'm on the road - i'm invisible here - have to
stop to enter the wires - emissions no good no wifi nothing - no money for
satellites those things - just want you to know - what - i've seen wonders
- incredible things - you wouldn't believe - can't write about them now -
acts of altruism, murders - rapine and pillage - heroism to the nth degree
- higher - empathy and compassion - charities uncalled-for - slow down to
a crawl in the traffic - there's a six-wheeler ahead all black with tinted
windows - something going on in there - ::seal is 66 85 68 91 901 611 309
they say 3 9 380 on black stone

i'm on the road - i'm invisible here - have to stop to enter the wires -
emissions no good no wifi nothing - no money for satellites those things -
just want you to know - what - i've seen wonders - incredible things - you
wouldn't believe - can't write about them now - acts of altruism, murders
- rapine and pillage - heroism to the nth degree - higher - empathy and
compassion - charities uncalled-for - slow down to a crawl in the traffic
- there's a six-wheeler ahead all black with tinted windows - something
going on in there - your there's no accounting for me - i'm just along for
the ride - it's fast and furious - it's the ride of a lifetime - don't
forget me - i'm disappearing - i'm in the fog the rain the thunder - you
can see my face when the lightning strikes - what i've witnessed - no
human being should ever see - should ever have to see - we're picking up
speed - the road stretches to infinity - lights overhead - the great sloop
disappears in the distance - comes up behind me - passes - comes up behind
me - never mind -


they say 3 9 380 on black stone


_



From matze.schmidt at n0name.de  Sun May 30 10:56:09 2004
From: matze.schmidt at n0name.de (Matze Schmidt)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:56:09 +0200
Subject: radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a plunder!"
Message-ID: <8661658630.20040530105609@n0name.de>

(german version below)

 +
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/|\
/\ radi0.tv
live! from Berlin-Kreuzberg, Germany
Wd., 02.06.2004, 22:00-24:00 h. "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70,
privatisation is a plunder!". (dt.)
Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm

The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
(inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
(The radioshow will be in german)



radi0.tv
live! aus Berlin-Kreuzberg
Mi., 02.06.2004, 20:00-21:00 Uhr. "Hallo Manteuffelstr. 70,
Privatisierung ist Pluenderung!". (dt.)
Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm

Der Berliner SPD/PDS-Senat hat beschlossen, die
Wohnungsbaugesellschaft GSW mit ueber 65.000 Wohnungen - und damit
auch DIESES Haus hier! - an das Banken- und Immobilienkonsortium
"Cerberus" aus den USA zu verkaufen. Mit den Mietern hier im Haus,
Joachim Oellerich vom Berliner MieterGemeinschaft e.V. und
Vertreterinnen der Betroffenengemeinschaft Walde-Kiez (angefragt)
wollen wir uns informieren und Perspektiven besprechen.

Berliner MieterGemeinschaft e.V.
http://www.bmgev.de
Privatisierungsorgie in Berlin
http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/05-27/014.php
jW-Interview mit Joachim Oellerich (Berliner MieterGemeinschaft
e.V.)
http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/05-27/017.php
Betroffenengemeinschaft Walde-Kiez
http://www.waldekiez.org

Contact: radio-at-n0name.de [n0name with a 0 (in words "zero")!],
www.radi0.tv

Capitalism is in the house!




From matze.schmidt at n0name.de  Sun May 30 11:03:51 2004
From: matze.schmidt at n0name.de (Matze Schmidt)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 11:03:51 +0200
Subject: radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70 ..." !-> correction <-!
Message-ID: <8762121375.20040530110351@n0name.de>

 +
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/|\
/\ radi0.tv
live! from Berlin-Kreuzberg, Germany
Wd., 02.06.2004

!-> 20:00-21:00 h. <-!

"Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a plunder!". (dt.)
Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm




From davor.pavuna at urbanet.ch  Sun May 30 00:00:35 2004
From: davor.pavuna at urbanet.ch (Davor Pavuna)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 00:00:35 +0200
Subject: Tito's lost world <- an opposite view !
In-Reply-To: <40B89047.4048.3C217A7E@localhost>
References: <40B89047.4048.3C217A7E@localhost>
Message-ID: <a0610050abcdeb7b6f3ff@[217.162.155.30]>

>24 years since he died, Tito's legacy is still strong among peoples
>of former Yugoslavia - actually it is stronger now than it was
>immediately following his death.  ivo
>From: www.iwpr.net  :  NOSTALGIA GROWS FOR TITO'S LOST WORLD


Well, let me contrast it with a totally  opposite (yet valid) view:


  Hrvatska smotra
Hrvatsko prava”ko glasilo

Frankopanska 2/II 10 000 Zagreb  -  Brzoglas / brzovid: (01)  48 48 083
E-mail: hrvatska-smotra at net.hr
_iro-ra_un: Hrvatska _ista stranka prava, Zagreb
2340009-1110039903 - Privredna banka Zagreb




Na ruke:

PREDSJEDNIK REPUBLIKE HRVATSKE
Stjepan MESI_
Pantov_ak 241
10 000 Zagreb

HRVATSKI SABOR
predsjednik
Vladimir _EKS
Trg sv. Marka 6
10 000 Zagreb

HRVATSKA VLADA
  predsjednik
Ivo SANADER
Trg sv. Marka 2
10 000 Zagreb

GRAD ZAGREB
  gradona_elnica
Vlasta PAVI_
Trg Stjepana Radi_a 1
10 000 Zagreb




Po_tovani,


Svi generalni sekretari komunist_kih partija u 
biv_im socijalisti_kim zemljama Isto_ne Europe 
(Lenjin, Staljin, Enver Hod_a, Dimitrov, 
Ceausecu, Honecker i Ulbricht, GottwaldŠ), padom 
komunisti_kih diktatura i uspostavom demokratskih 
poredaka, izgubili su svoja imena ulica, trgova, 
avenija i gradova. Jedini izuzetak predstavlja 
generalni sekretar Komunisti_ke partije 
Jugoslavije Josip Broz Tito, po _ijem se imenu (i 
dan) danas u glavnom gradu Hrvatske, u Zagrebu, 
naziva jedan od najljep_ih trgova, _to u svakom 
slu_aju predstavlja civilizacijsku sramotu i 
uvredu miljunima _ivu_uh i umrlih _rtava njegove 
krvave diktature.

Iako je vo_a KPJ Josip Broz Tito bio od 1944. 
formalno  od zapadnih saveznika tijekom Drugog 
svjetskog rata, u zamjenu velikosrpske vlade u 
Londonu i njenoga fa_isti_koga ministra (_etnika) 
Dra_e Mihajlovi_a, priznat kao predstavnik 
antifa_isti_ke koalicije otpora na podru_ju biv_e 
Kraljevine Jugoslavije i tada_nje Nezavisne 
Dr_ave Hrvatske u borbi protiv okupaijskih 
oru_anih snaga fa_isti_ke Italije i nacisti_ke 
Njema_ke, Tito je svojim djelima pokazao ne samo 
da nije bio istinski "antifa_ist", ve_ da je bio 
okrutni komunisti_ki diktator.

- Tito snosi glavnu krivnju za likvidaciju 
najmanje 50 tisu_a (50 000) zarobljenih vojnika i 
civila biv_e Nezavisne Dr_ave Hrvatske (po 
izvorima jugoslavenske marksisti_ke 
historiografije, a oko 200 tisu_a (200 000) po 
objektivnim izvorima me_unarodne historiografije 
demokratskoga Zapada), i to u razdoblju poslije 
zavr_etka Drugoga svjetskoga rata, od 15. svibnja 
1945. do srpnja iste godine.
- U mar_evima smrti, na Kri_nom putu, po nalogu i 
pod vodstvom Josipa Broza Tita maltretirano je, 
mu_eno i ubijeno vi_e stotina tisu_a ljudi. 
Zarobljeni vojnici i civili zavr_avali su u 
sabirnim logorima i logorima smrti, iako je po 
me_unarodnoj _enevskoj konvenciji o ratnom pravu 
zabranjeno civile dr_ati kao ratne zarobljenike.
- Tito je dao likvidirati desetke tisu_a ljudi 
odmah nakon tzv. oslobo_enja u gradu Zagrebu (od 
8. svibnja na dalje), te je putem zlo_ina_ke 
organizacije Ozne vr_io _i__enja ideolo_ki 
nepodobnih, nevinih ljudi. Mnoge Zagrep_anke i 
Zagrep_ani likvidirani su metkom u potiljak i/ili 
zaklani te ba_eni u jamu Jazovka na _umbera_kom 
gorju i u druge jame u okolici Zagreba, a me_u 
njima i nekoliko tisu_a ranjenika i bolesnika 
odvedenih iz zagreba_kih bolnica. Isti stravi_ni 
zlo_ini izvr_eni su diljem cijele Hrvatske, od 
Dubrovnika (poznato strati_te oto_i_ Daksa) do 
Jasenovca (koji je zatvoren tek 1947. ili 1948. 
godine).
- Tito je glavni krivac za sramotni montirani 
politi_ki proces blagopokojnom kardinalu i 
mu_eniku Alojziju Stepincu, kao i za njegovo 
sustavno i podmuklo trovanje do nasilne smrti u 
jugoslavenoskom zatvoru-kazamatu  Lepoglava i 
progonstvu (ku_nom pritvoru) u njegovu rodnom 
Kra_i_u.
- Tito je glavni krivac za smrt nekoliko stotina 
biskupa, sve_enika, redovnika, redovnica i 
bogoslova. Istovremeno, Tito je glavni krivac za 
nekoliko tisu_a montiranih politi_kih procesa u 
staljinisti_kom stilu, uslijed i nakon kojih su 
tisu_e nevinih ljudi zavr_ile na dugogodi_nje 
robije, gdje su na zvjerski na_in mu_eni i 
_ikanirani.
- Tito je dao poslije rezolucije Informbiroa 
1948., uz asistenciju Staljinovog agenta NKVD, 
Ivana Kraja_i_a Steve, likvidirati oko 30 tisu_a 
(30 000) jugoslavenskih komunista , pod optu_bom 
da su "staljinisti", iako je i sam od tridesetih 
godina Dvadesetog stolje_a bio vjerni Staljinov 
agent na Balkanu.
- Tito je dao krajem _etrdesetih godina u 
beogradskom zloglasnom zatvoru ubiti ratnog 
sekretara Komunisti_ke partije Hrvatske Andriju 
Hebranga, a njegovu suprugu, g_u. Olgu Hebrang na 
montiranom politi_kom procesu osudio na 
dugogodi_nju robiju, iako je bila majka troje 
maloljetne djece.
- Tito je izme_u 1945. i 1966., uz asistenciju 
svoga krvnika-egzekutora, _efa tajne i politi_ke 
policije Udbe, Aleksandra Rankovi_a, etni_ki 
o_istio oko 300 tisu_a (300 000) kosovskih 
Albanaca te ih protjerao u Albaniju i Tursku (u 
samom Istanbulu danas _ivi preko 200 tisu_a tih 
albanskih prognanika iz pedesetih i _ezdesetih 
godina).
- Tito je dao nasilno ugu_iti tzv. Hrvatsko 
prolje_e, nakon _ega je putem montiranih 
politi_kih procesa dao utamni_iti cvijet hrvatske 
inteligencije i mladosti.
- Tito je bio protivnik demokracije, ljudskih 
prava, gra_anskog dru_tva, politi_kih, vjerskih i 
gra_anskih sloboda.
Sve navedeno tek je kratki presjek "zasluga" Josipa Broza Tita.
Josip Broz Tito bio je diktator i tiranin! Tito 
se po svojim namjerno u_injenim zlo_inima po 
ni_emu ne razlikuje od ratnog zlo_inca Adolfa 
Hitlera ili Josifa Visarionovi_a Staljina, a 
njegova Ozna i Udba od Gestapoa. Tzv. KNOJ, koji 
je izvr_itelj likvidacija zarobljenih hrvatskih 
vojnika i civila nije bio ni_ta drugo nego 
Hitlerov Waffen SS ili Staljinov NKVD. Staljinove 
likvidacije 14 tisu_a do_asnika i _asnika poljske 
vojske u Katynskoj _umi 1940. _ine tek djeli_ 
lihvidiranih hrvatskih vojnika, do_asnika, 
_asnika i civila koje je Tito dao ubiti u 
Bleiburgu i na Kri_nom putu.

TITO JE TIJEKOM _ITAVE SVOJE DESPOTSKE VLADAVINE 
BRUTALNO UBIJAO, MU_IO, ZATVARAO I PLJA_KAO 
NEDU_NE LJUDE. NJEGOVO JE IME DRUGO IME ZA 
ZLO_IN, NASILJE I PATNU!

Civilizacijska je sramota i pljuska u lice svim 
neprebrojivim _rtvama njegova zlo_ina_koga 
re_ima, da jedan od najljep_ih zagreba_kih trgova 
nosi ime po ovom vi_estruko dokazanom despotu, 
krvoloku i tiraninu. Taj Trg se _ak ne zove "Trg 
Josipa Broza Tita", nego "Trg mar_ala Tita", _ime 
su jugo-komunisti_ki vlastodr_ci htjeli posebno 
naglasiti njegovo neupitno vodstvo svoje partije 
i diktature.

Komunizam je jedna od triju velikih totalitarnih 
ideologija koje su u pro_lom stolje_u opusto_ile 
_ovje_anstvo. Poput fa_izma i nacizma, i 
komunizam je od po_etka do kraja natopljen 
nedu_nom ljudskom krvlju. Brojke govore da su 
fa_izam i nacizam zajedno progutali preko 40 
milijuna (40 000 000) ljudi, dok se komunizmu 
pripisuje preko 100 milijuna (100 000 000) _rtava.
Josip Broz Tito punih je 35 godina bio 
nedodirljivi gospodar milijuna ljudskih sudbina i 
glavni korifej svih zlo_ina u biv_oj Jugoslaviji.
Pa ipak, u slobodnoj, samostalnoj i tobo_e 
demokratskoj Hrvatskoj, njegov kult _ivi i dalje. 
Za razliku od Nacionala, koji ga je u sije_nju 
o.g. proglasio "najve_im Hrvatom", Washington 
Times u kolovozu 1998. o vo_i jugoslavenskih 
komunista pi_e kako se u slu_aju Josipa Broza 
Tita radilo o "jugoslavenskom diktatoru i 
tiraninu", dok ga je njema_ki Bild pro_le godine 
svrstao na 7. mjesto najve_ih tiranina i masovnih 
ubojica u povijesti _ovje_anstva - pripisuju_i mu 
MILIJUN (1 000 000) _rtava.


Imaju_i u vidu sve gore navedeno, slobodni smo 
Vas zamoliti da nam odgovorite na nekoliko 
sljede_ih pitanja:

1.) Do kada _ete _utjeti pred spoznajom da se 
kult najve_eg krvnika u povijesti Hrvatske _tuje 
i dan danas?
2.) Do kada _ete toleritrati da jedan od 
najljep_ih zagreba_kih trgova nosi ime po ovom 
nedvojbenom i vi_estruko dokazanom zlo_incu?
3.) Kakvu poruku upu_ujete novim generacijama, 
_uvaju_i uspomenu na ovoga despota i tiranina?

Molimo da nam Va_e odgovore dostavite u pisanom 
obliku na na_u adresu, nazna_enu u zaglavlju 
ovoga pisma, kako bismo ih mogli prenijeti 
hrvatskoj javnosti. U suprotnom, Va_u _utnju 
smatrat _emo pre_utnom podporom neprekinutoga 
kulta ovog despota i tiranina.

Unaprijed se zahvaljujemo na Va_em trudu!





U Zagrebu, 25. svibnja 2004.



Uz du_no po_tovanje,

Glavni urednik:

Vinko Kalini_
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From a2h at gmx.ch  Sun May 30 12:57:24 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 12:57:24 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] Re: -?-
In-Reply-To: sympa.1085678709.30584.136@anart.no
References: sympa.1085678709.30584.136@anart.no
Message-ID: <p05200f00bcdf6e752c77@[80.218.162.44]>

>I have seen Keiko Suzuki recently in Novi Sad. She's fine.
>
thanks anna
a+



From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 14:06:29 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:06:29 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a plunder!"
References: <8661658630.20040530105609@n0name.de>
Message-ID: <01fe01c4463e$8ae44970$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

But it is dreadful that! How we are going to make out of this bad blood of
neoliberalism which is only opening to the Americans the access to the
European heritage and renting fundations, to muzzle us better at the
appropriate moment?

Any guarded proportion: the adjoining building from my home, in Paris, the
big building holded by anscient France Telecom, concern a center of
residences in one of hundred of persons, on one hand, an office block which
was a formercenter of payment and management, and a big car park, more a
garden - naturally, that where all the dogs of the district turn darker as
soon as they put a pate outside;-) was sold this year spent in a box of
pension fund American!

For us, it is the pure and simple theft of the land and renting heritage
established on the ancient post office solidarity, books of savings,
taxpayer, peoples taxed during a century more to establish a public heritage
to the service or the profit of the common, now settled in the Americans,
which extort money at present from all the French and German public land and
land tax!

And maintaining Telecom pays a rent to the new owner while we pursue to be
taxed by this former public company become private but always with its
monopolistic privileges!

It is disgusting; Japanese and Arabic buying the heritage deprived of
companies in Champs Elysées, it was funny!
Now that the Americans impoverished Japan in two monetary devaluations, and
money of the pension fund which they stole them is of use for buying Europe
by USA officila gangs of WTO, of the International Monetary Fund and of the
World Bank more any others..

In Argentina it was the oil (sold by the junta to the Americans, the loss of
the oil been lacking now cruelly to the hope of an economic stimulus, and
the gas (the gas it and a Spanish lobbie of Aznar, company which now refuses
to Argentina the production of more gas in winter (it is begenning now,
there), because it is not rather profitable: the Argentine State has of to
put a program of limitation for the custom of the gas this winter!) Bad
blood, we see well who benefits WTO, it was not only the mastery of the
farm-produce industry by proteins of replacement and but also the cereal
market, it was to make the bag of all the wealth of the peoples in the
world!

Now that Europe of the subdued synarchy and the intervention inspects
economically rebel Germany and France, exhausting them, they are the poeple
who are going to lose the resources until the gravest crises (they announce)
without possibility of returnment of energy of singular repespective
solutions, locally..

The European gouvernenements disposes of Europe to reunite in an European
rule (it is the price of a bad idea, a no politics land and an economist
vision of Europe of the French socialists floowing Mitterrand himself) and
mop their debt when the country the most got into debt by the world buys its
otherness with the money which it stole thanks to the strategies of the
supranational organizations.... And lives Euro and lives the beautiful Euro!

The actuel boss of the European Bank is teh former President of Banque de
France, a french complice of the thief collusive in Crédit Lyonnais
following orders from former Socialist government in eighties and the
begining of nineties, and many other things still, for which Charasse being
always alive, all the contrary Beregovoy was urged to commit suicide gun put
beforehand on the dashboard by the bodyguard - as they say - left to make a
tour for ten minutes to keep silent, being a convinced republican it was not
reliable.. Same time, The World Bank meets itself steered among others by a
former Minister of at once recycled Aznar - one needs say no more!

But really needs there not to vote to the European elections or stay at
home, when you see on the other hand that the only alternative criticizes
being born it is the grotesque revisionism of a new Eurocommunism concocted
among others by Italian helped by French!!!? no imagination, no capacity in
criticism theory to reborn inanother way that past failure ?

The return of the nationalism is clear: it is exclusively American, that of
Patiot act allied to the supranational synarchistic organizations to absorb
the world and reduce it; we lack up to the local political capacity of
original retort (replica?) to be reborn with the guile, because instead of
making Europe of the diversity and the multitude, by federated example, we
wanted that it is exclusively united, as a dream of the largerst community,
as the change, among which some only pay the prize for all the others and
another part by being in any case extransverse valley!!! And without elected
executive... A madness prédicitive universe!!!

That last of the French nuclear electricity which bets on the biggest
concentration of nuclear power stations to the world on a however small
territory is it France, for imagine that she is going to become the producer
of electricity for Europe (and to sell more the whole in capitalized it (and
to sell more the whole to the capitalization): irreversible theft and next
tragedy, followed by an irréversivble devastate local... Great Phenix
nuclear center, yes probably we shall not cut there, (is-it to replace part
of the already cracked power plants?)

"Chirac the machine" has imagined himself that the electricity of the French
nuclear power would be the oil equivalence of Europe, after Giscard it is
imagined that it) would replace the oil.. in seventies. And all this
guaranteed by the committee of ethics, whose personnaly a Nobel prize of
Physics submitted to the synarchy alliance, and thus go drive on the people
who dies already more than everywhere in Europe of cancer (low frequencies,
nuclear power, dioxins and stress under the pressure of organizations today
private but always monopolistic, and the Press for 80 % between hold by the
two traders of weapon holding more : all the water resource in France.

What can we do - but cetainly we can, there is a hope on the butterfly
flight in Chaos theory? How to be a butterfly in thes dark days of
occidental History in all the world ?


Sorry of my bad english.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matze Schmidt" <matze.schmidt at n0name.de>
To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: [syndicate] radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a
plunder!"


> (german version below)
>
>  +
>  O
> /|\
> /\ radi0.tv
> live! from Berlin-Kreuzberg, Germany
> Wd., 02.06.2004, 22:00-24:00 h. "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70,
> privatisation is a plunder!". (dt.)
> Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm
>
> The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
> Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
> society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
> here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
> Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
> Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
> (inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
> (The radioshow will be in german)
>
>
>
> radi0.tv
> live! aus Berlin-Kreuzberg
> Mi., 02.06.2004, 20:00-21:00 Uhr. "Hallo Manteuffelstr. 70,
> Privatisierung ist Pluenderung!". (dt.)
> Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm
>
> Der Berliner SPD/PDS-Senat hat beschlossen, die
> Wohnungsbaugesellschaft GSW mit ueber 65.000 Wohnungen - und damit
> auch DIESES Haus hier! - an das Banken- und Immobilienkonsortium
> "Cerberus" aus den USA zu verkaufen. Mit den Mietern hier im Haus,
> Joachim Oellerich vom Berliner MieterGemeinschaft e.V. und
> Vertreterinnen der Betroffenengemeinschaft Walde-Kiez (angefragt)
> wollen wir uns informieren und Perspektiven besprechen.
>
> Berliner MieterGemeinschaft e.V.
> http://www.bmgev.de
> Privatisierungsorgie in Berlin
> http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/05-27/014.php
> jW-Interview mit Joachim Oellerich (Berliner MieterGemeinschaft
> e.V.)
> http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/05-27/017.php
> Betroffenengemeinschaft Walde-Kiez
> http://www.waldekiez.org
>
> Contact: radio-at-n0name.de [n0name with a 0 (in words "zero")!],
> www.radi0.tv
>
> Capitalism is in the house!
>
>


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From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 30 13:56:32 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 13:56:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405301156.i4UBuWZ16589@www.god-emil.dk>





© blipd

>>> oh, if only an os X version. woe.
>>
>>
>> more smiles. HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH STUPID MOTHER FUCKERZ !!
>>
>> why would I waste my life on the MOTHER FUCKERZ that support Cycling74 
>> CRIMINAL MOTHER FUCKERZ
>
>for a long time I waited, but you never met me there.


as part ov the debate on the evolution of applied industrial design
the shaker. the ice bucket and !!!!!ssssssszzzzz tongz were 
displayed at the 242nd kabul triennale.

for the 1st time there appeared the means for blending 
artistic freedom with ideaS destined to bond.
the terrorist with the infidel.


>>> what did you expect from SFO?
>>
>> in kind. unlike you I wont see nor hear a FUCKING thing about them nor 
>> you in a few days
>> dar daca ne intilnim o sa se duca la dracu++
>
>always so full of mystery...


M-ai rugat sa nu vorbesc cu nimeni.... Ceea ce mi-ai daruit este al meu si va ramine cu mine. 

o soapta in vint,
o lacrima tremuratoare.

o privire, 
un cuvint,
sentimente[le ingenuncheaza] in noapte
inima ta are o gura ...
o sarut


pl oooo Ff










From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Sun May 30 14:09:35 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:09:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200405301209.i4UC9ZG16610@www.god-emil.dk>



>How to be a butterfly in thes dark days of
>occidental History in all the world ?
>
>
>Sorry of my bad english.


Quite clearly by speaking in English badly with a rektanglr accent + a splash of tangerine






>> The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
>> Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
>> society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
>> here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
>> Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
>> Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
>> (inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
>> (The radioshow will be in german)


mda. I was starting to feel less than xy owing to obese jankee MOTHER FUCKERS
sucking up the ost.europa peisaj and the more fleshy ost.europa peisaj
then I noticed the obese jankee MOTHER FUCKERS werent all jankees
en fakt quite a few fat MOTHER FUCKERS were krautz


hatred - keeping cultural diversity alive since time immemorial









"Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>

>------------=_1085918931-13391-7
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>        charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
>But it is dreadful that! How we are going to make out of this bad blood of
>neoliberalism which is only opening to the Americans the access to the
>European heritage and renting fundations, to muzzle us better at the
>appropriate moment?




At least the MOTHER FUCKERZ did make a purchase ... rather than outright thievery






>Any guarded proportion: the adjoining building from my home, in Paris, the
>big building holded by anscient France Telecom, concern a center of
>residences in one of hundred of persons, on one hand, an office block which
>was a formercenter of payment and management, and a big car park, more a
>garden - naturally, that where all the dogs of the district turn darker as
>soon as they put a pate outside;-) was sold this year spent in a box of
>pension fund American!
>
>For us, it is the pure and simple theft of the land and renting heritage
>established on the ancient post office solidarity, books of savings,
>taxpayer, peoples taxed during a century more to establish a public heritage
>to the service or the profit of the common, now settled in the Americans,
>which extort money at present from all the French and German public land and
>land tax!
>
>And maintaining Telecom pays a rent to the new owner while we pursue to be
>taxed by this former public company become private but always with its
>monopolistic privileges!
>
>It is disgusting; Japanese and Arabic buying the heritage deprived of
>companies in Champs Elys<E9>es, it was funny!
>Now that the Americans impoverished Japan in two monetary devaluations, and
>money of the pension fund which they stole them is of use for buying Europe
>by USA officila gangs of WTO, of the International Monetary Fund and of the
>World Bank more any others..
>
>In Argentina it was the oil (sold by the junta to the Americans, the loss of
>the oil been lacking now cruelly to the hope of an economic stimulus, and
>the gas (the gas it and a Spanish lobbie of Aznar, company which now refuses
>to Argentina the production of more gas in winter (it is begenning now,
>there), because it is not rather profitable: the Argentine State has of to
>put a program of limitation for the custom of the gas this winter!) Bad
>blood, we see well who benefits WTO, it was not only the mastery of the
>farm-produce industry by proteins of replacement and but also the cereal
>market, it was to make the bag of all the wealth of the peoples in the
>world!
>
>Now that Europe of the subdued synarchy and the intervention inspects
>economically rebel Germany and France, exhausting them, they are the poeple
>who are going to lose the resources until the gravest crises (they announce)
>without possibility of returnment of energy of singular repespective
>solutions, locally..
>
>The European gouvernenements disposes of Europe to reunite in an European
>rule (it is the price of a bad idea, a no politics land and an economist
>vision of Europe of the French socialists floowing Mitterrand himself) and
>mop their debt when the country the most got into debt by the world buys its
>otherness with the money which it stole thanks to the strategies of the
>supranational organizations.... And lives Euro and lives the beautiful Euro!
>
>The actuel boss of the European Bank is teh former President of Banque de
>France, a french complice of the thief collusive in Cr<E9>dit Lyonnais
>following orders from former Socialist government in eighties and the
>begining of nineties, and many other things still, for which Charasse being
>always alive, all the contrary Beregovoy was urged to commit suicide gun put
>beforehand on the dashboard by the bodyguard - as they say - left to make a
>tour for ten minutes to keep silent, being a convinced republican it was not
>reliable.. Same time, The World Bank meets itself steered among others by a
>former Minister of at once recycled Aznar - one needs say no more!
>
>But really needs there not to vote to the European elections or stay at
>home, when you see on the other hand that the only alternative criticizes
>being born it is the grotesque revisionism of a new Eurocommunism concocted
>among others by Italian helped by French!!!? no imagination, no capacity in
>criticism theory to reborn inanother way that past failure ?
>
>The return of the nationalism is clear: it is exclusively American, that of
>Patiot act allied to the supranational synarchistic organizations to absorb
>the world and reduce it; we lack up to the local political capacity of
>original retort (replica?) to be reborn with the guile, because instead of
>making Europe of the diversity and the multitude, by federated example, we
>wanted that it is exclusively united, as a dream of the largerst community,
>as the change, among which some only pay the prize for all the others and
>another part by being in any case extransverse valley!!! And without elected
>executive... A madness pr<E9>dicitive universe!!!
>
>That last of the French nuclear electricity which bets on the biggest
>concentration of nuclear power stations to the world on a however small
>territory is it France, for imagine that she is going to become the producer
>of electricity for Europe (and to sell more the whole in capitalized it (and
>to sell more the whole to the capitalization): irreversible theft and next
>tragedy, followed by an irr<E9>versivble devastate local... Great Phenix
>nuclear center, yes probably we shall not cut there, (is-it to replace part
>of the already cracked power plants?)
>
>"Chirac the machine" has imagined himself that the electricity of the French
>nuclear power would be the oil equivalence of Europe, after Giscard it is
>imagined that it) would replace the oil.. in seventies. And all this
>guaranteed by the committee of ethics, whose personnaly a Nobel prize of
>Physics submitted to the synarchy alliance, and thus go drive on the people
>who dies already more than everywhere in Europe of cancer (low frequencies,
>nuclear power, dioxins and stress under the pressure of organizations today
>private but always monopolistic, and the Press for 80 % between hold by the
>two traders of weapon holding more : all the water resource in France.
>
>What can we do - but cetainly we can, there is a hope on the butterfly
>flight in Chaos theory? How to be a butterfly in thes dark days of
>occidental History in all the world ?
>
>
>Sorry of my bad english.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Matze Schmidt" <matze.schmidt at n0name.de>
>To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:56 AM
>Subject: [syndicate] radi0.tv "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70, privatisation is a
>plunder!"
>
>
>> (german version below)
>>
>>  +
>>  O
>> /|\
>> /\ radi0.tv
>> live! from Berlin-Kreuzberg, Germany
>> Wd., 02.06.2004, 22:00-24:00 h. "Hello Manteuffelstr. 70,
>> privatisation is a plunder!". (dt.)
>> Audiostream pnm://217.160.178.83/encoder/radio.rm
>>
>> The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
>> Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
>> society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
>> here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
>> Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
>> Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
>> (inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
>> (The radioshow will be in german)















From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 15:35:49 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 15:35:49 +0200
Subject: to follow
Message-ID: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

DAMNED !

In a hurry : crazy !!! Its run to much faster now . I cannot have time to
translate it, sorry, but looking at this link you probably try to get it
clear by your own.. The link is coming right now from another list; a
subscriber has froward it to me.

(note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more a
lot of years ;-))

http://www.legrandsoir.info/article.php3?id_article=1549


Have a good sunday !








From ivo at reporters.net  Sun May 30 16:48:21 2004
From: ivo at reporters.net (Ivo Skoric)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:48:21 -0400
Subject: Tito's lost world <- an opposite view !
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it is interesting that in the long list of Tito's crimes Hrvatska 
Stranka Prava (croatian party of justice?) completely skipped equally 
horrendous post-war arbitrary executions of Tito's Serb enemies - 
including the chetnik leader Draza Mihajlovic - maybe hsp agrees with 
THAT Tito's decision? but it is not fair to leave it out. otherwise, 
this is all true. there is no doubt that he was a dictator. his cult 
survived due to a couple of circumstantial events:
a) he died a decade before communism and Yugoslavia disappeared, so 
he avoided the direct blame for the tragic events that followed - 
although the cause could be pin-pointed to the ill-composed 1974 
constitution (that encourages ethnic over political differentiation) 
which was still passed under his rule and with his approval. he 
suddenly looked a much better leader compared to the clowns that lead 
yu peoples in 1980s and 1990s.
b) the 'red terror' in yu lasted less than in other communist 
tyrannies. as early as mid-fifties private ownership of land, houses 
and small business was allowed. country opened its borders in mid 
sixties and curtailed the powers of its political police. by early 
seventies yugoslavia had living standards of eu countries, and except 
for a minority of political idealists, people were generally 
satisfied with quality of life. tito still ruled the country with 
iron fist - but he carefully designed the velvet glove over it: 
political enemies faced loss of jobs and house arrests, rather than 
execution and torture - so the generations that came of age since mid-
sixties believe tito was all right - at least the majority, and they 
today hold power in all post-yu societies. the resulting complacency 
made pro-democracy movements unpopular and ridiculed - preventing the 
country's transformation to political democracy in time to prevent 
its collapse into inter-ethnic warfare.
c) the economy really soured after his death, so again he avoided the 
blame, although it could clearly be pointed to his uncritical loan 
tking in the West during cold war cashing in on yu geo-political 
location - which became irrelevant after his death, with cold war 
over and yu heavily indebted with nothing to show for the money but 
failed giant factories.

unfortunately, hsp doesn't provide this in-dept analysis of how 
tito's rule de facto lead to the current situation, something that 
sure needs to be once objectively talked about in order to dispell 
the myth of the great marshall.

ivo

On 30 May 2004 at 0:00, Davor Pavuna wrote:

>24 years since he died, Tito's legacy is still strong among peoples
>of former Yugoslavia - actually it is stronger now than it was
>immediately following his death.  ivo From: www.iwpr.net  : 
>NOSTALGIA GROWS FOR TITO'S LOST WORLD


Well, let me contrast it with a totally  opposite (yet valid) view:


  Hrvatska smotra
Hrvatsko prava”ko glasilo

Frankopanska 2/II 10 000 Zagreb  -  Brzoglas / brzovid: (01)  48 48
083  E-mail: hrvatska-smotra at net.hr _iro-ra_un: Hrvatska _ista 
stranka
prava, Zagreb 2340009-1110039903 - Privredna banka Zagreb




Na ruke:

PREDSJEDNIK REPUBLIKE HRVATSKE
Stjepan MESI_
Pantov_ak 241
10 000 Zagreb

HRVATSKI SABOR
predsjednik
Vladimir _EKS
Trg sv. Marka 6
10 000 Zagreb

HRVATSKA VLADA
  predsjednik
Ivo SANADER
Trg sv. Marka 2
10 000 Zagreb

GRAD ZAGREB
  gradona_elnica
Vlasta PAVI_
Trg Stjepana Radi_a 1
10 000 Zagreb




Po_tovani,


Svi generalni sekretari komunist_kih partija u 
biv_im socijalisti_kim zemljama Isto_ne Europe 
(Lenjin, Staljin, Enver Hod_a, Dimitrov, 
Ceausecu, Honecker i Ulbricht, GottwaldŠ), padom 
komunisti_kih diktatura i uspostavom demokratskih 
poredaka, izgubili su svoja imena ulica, trgova, 
avenija i gradova. Jedini izuzetak predstavlja 
generalni sekretar Komunisti_ke partije 
Jugoslavije Josip Broz Tito, po _ijem se imenu (i 
dan) danas u glavnom gradu Hrvatske, u Zagrebu, 
naziva jedan od najljep_ih trgova, _to u svakom 
slu_aju predstavlja civilizacijsku sramotu i 
uvredu miljunima _ivu_uh i umrlih _rtava njegove 
krvave diktature.

Iako je vo_a KPJ Josip Broz Tito bio od 1944. 
formalno  od zapadnih saveznika tijekom Drugog 
svjetskog rata, u zamjenu velikosrpske vlade u 
Londonu i njenoga fa_isti_koga ministra (_etnika) 
Dra_e Mihajlovi_a, priznat kao predstavnik 
antifa_isti_ke koalicije otpora na podru_ju biv_e 
Kraljevine Jugoslavije i tada_nje Nezavisne 
Dr_ave Hrvatske u borbi protiv okupaijskih 
oru_anih snaga fa_isti_ke Italije i nacisti_ke 
Njema_ke, Tito je svojim djelima pokazao ne samo 
da nije bio istinski "antifa_ist", ve_ da je bio 
okrutni komunisti_ki diktator.

- Tito snosi glavnu krivnju za likvidaciju 
najmanje 50 tisu_a (50 000) zarobljenih vojnika i 
civila biv_e Nezavisne Dr_ave Hrvatske (po 
izvorima jugoslavenske marksisti_ke 
historiografije, a oko 200 tisu_a (200 000) po 
objektivnim izvorima me_unarodne historiografije 
demokratskoga Zapada), i to u razdoblju poslije 
zavr_etka Drugoga svjetskoga rata, od 15. svibnja 
1945. do srpnja iste godine.
- U mar_evima smrti, na Kri_nom putu, po nalogu i 
pod vodstvom Josipa Broza Tita maltretirano je, 
mu_eno i ubijeno vi_e stotina tisu_a ljudi. 
Zarobljeni vojnici i civili zavr_avali su u 
sabirnim logorima i logorima smrti, iako je po 
me_unarodnoj _enevskoj konvenciji o ratnom pravu 
zabranjeno civile dr_ati kao ratne zarobljenike.
- Tito je dao likvidirati desetke tisu_a ljudi 
odmah nakon tzv. oslobo_enja u gradu Zagrebu (od 
8. svibnja na dalje), te je putem zlo_ina_ke 
organizacije Ozne vr_io _i__enja ideolo_ki 
nepodobnih, nevinih ljudi. Mnoge Zagrep_anke i 
Zagrep_ani likvidirani su metkom u potiljak i/ili 
zaklani te ba_eni u jamu Jazovka na _umbera_kom 
gorju i u druge jame u okolici Zagreba, a me_u 
njima i nekoliko tisu_a ranjenika i bolesnika 
odvedenih iz zagreba_kih bolnica. Isti stravi_ni 
zlo_ini izvr_eni su diljem cijele Hrvatske, od 
Dubrovnika (poznato strati_te oto_i_ Daksa) do 
Jasenovca (koji je zatvoren tek 1947. ili 1948. 
godine).
- Tito je glavni krivac za sramotni montirani 
politi_ki proces blagopokojnom kardinalu i 
mu_eniku Alojziju Stepincu, kao i za njegovo 
sustavno i podmuklo trovanje do nasilne smrti u 
jugoslavenoskom zatvoru-kazamatu  Lepoglava i 
progonstvu (ku_nom pritvoru) u njegovu rodnom 
Kra_i_u.
- Tito je glavni krivac za smrt nekoliko stotina 
biskupa, sve_enika, redovnika, redovnica i 
bogoslova. Istovremeno, Tito je glavni krivac za 
nekoliko tisu_a montiranih politi_kih procesa u 
staljinisti_kom stilu, uslijed i nakon kojih su 
tisu_e nevinih ljudi zavr_ile na dugogodi_nje 
robije, gdje su na zvjerski na_in mu_eni i 
_ikanirani.
- Tito je dao poslije rezolucije Informbiroa 
1948., uz asistenciju Staljinovog agenta NKVD, 
Ivana Kraja_i_a Steve, likvidirati oko 30 tisu_a 
(30 000) jugoslavenskih komunista , pod optu_bom 
da su "staljinisti", iako je i sam od tridesetih 
godina Dvadesetog stolje_a bio vjerni Staljinov 
agent na Balkanu.
- Tito je dao krajem _etrdesetih godina u 
beogradskom zloglasnom zatvoru ubiti ratnog 
sekretara Komunisti_ke partije Hrvatske Andriju 
Hebranga, a njegovu suprugu, g_u. Olgu Hebrang na 
montiranom politi_kom procesu osudio na 
dugogodi_nju robiju, iako je bila majka troje 
maloljetne djece.
- Tito je izme_u 1945. i 1966., uz asistenciju 
svoga krvnika-egzekutora, _efa tajne i politi_ke 
policije Udbe, Aleksandra Rankovi_a, etni_ki 
o_istio oko 300 tisu_a (300 000) kosovskih 
Albanaca te ih protjerao u Albaniju i Tursku (u 
samom Istanbulu danas _ivi preko 200 tisu_a tih 
albanskih prognanika iz pedesetih i _ezdesetih 
godina).
- Tito je dao nasilno ugu_iti tzv. Hrvatsko 
prolje_e, nakon _ega je putem montiranih 
politi_kih procesa dao utamni_iti cvijet hrvatske 
inteligencije i mladosti.
- Tito je bio protivnik demokracije, ljudskih 
prava, gra_anskog dru_tva, politi_kih, vjerskih i 
gra_anskih sloboda.
Sve navedeno tek je kratki presjek "zasluga" Josipa Broza Tita.
Josip Broz Tito bio je diktator i tiranin! Tito 
se po svojim namjerno u_injenim zlo_inima po 
ni_emu ne razlikuje od ratnog zlo_inca Adolfa 
Hitlera ili Josifa Visarionovi_a Staljina, a 
njegova Ozna i Udba od Gestapoa. Tzv. KNOJ, koji 
je izvr_itelj likvidacija zarobljenih hrvatskih 
vojnika i civila nije bio ni_ta drugo nego 
Hitlerov Waffen SS ili Staljinov NKVD. Staljinove 
likvidacije 14 tisu_a do_asnika i _asnika poljske 
vojske u Katynskoj _umi 1940. _ine tek djeli_ 
lihvidiranih hrvatskih vojnika, do_asnika, 
_asnika i civila koje je Tito dao ubiti u 
Bleiburgu i na Kri_nom putu.

TITO JE TIJEKOM _ITAVE SVOJE DESPOTSKE VLADAVINE 
BRUTALNO UBIJAO, MU_IO, ZATVARAO I PLJA_KAO 
NEDU_NE LJUDE. NJEGOVO JE IME DRUGO IME ZA 
ZLO_IN, NASILJE I PATNU!

Civilizacijska je sramota i pljuska u lice svim 
neprebrojivim _rtvama njegova zlo_ina_koga 
re_ima, da jedan od najljep_ih zagreba_kih trgova 
nosi ime po ovom vi_estruko dokazanom despotu, 
krvoloku i tiraninu. Taj Trg se _ak ne zove "Trg 
Josipa Broza Tita", nego "Trg mar_ala Tita", _ime 
su jugo-komunisti_ki vlastodr_ci htjeli posebno 
naglasiti njegovo neupitno vodstvo svoje partije 
i diktature.

Komunizam je jedna od triju velikih totalitarnih 
ideologija koje su u pro_lom stolje_u opusto_ile 
_ovje_anstvo. Poput fa_izma i nacizma, i 
komunizam je od po_etka do kraja natopljen 
nedu_nom ljudskom krvlju. Brojke govore da su 
fa_izam i nacizam zajedno progutali preko 40 
milijuna (40 000 000) ljudi, dok se komunizmu 
pripisuje preko 100 milijuna (100 000 000) _rtava.
Josip Broz Tito punih je 35 godina bio 
nedodirljivi gospodar milijuna ljudskih sudbina i 
glavni korifej svih zlo_ina u biv_oj Jugoslaviji.
Pa ipak, u slobodnoj, samostalnoj i tobo_e 
demokratskoj Hrvatskoj, njegov kult _ivi i dalje. 
Za razliku od Nacionala, koji ga je u sije_nju 
o.g. proglasio "najve_im Hrvatom", Washington 
Times u kolovozu 1998. o vo_i jugoslavenskih 
komunista pi_e kako se u slu_aju Josipa Broza 
Tita radilo o "jugoslavenskom diktatoru i 
tiraninu", dok ga je njema_ki Bild pro_le godine 
svrstao na 7. mjesto najve_ih tiranina i masovnih 
ubojica u povijesti _ovje_anstva - pripisuju_i mu 
MILIJUN (1 000 000) _rtava.


Imaju_i u vidu sve gore navedeno, slobodni smo 
Vas zamoliti da nam odgovorite na nekoliko 
sljede_ih pitanja:

1.) Do kada _ete _utjeti pred spoznajom da se 
kult najve_eg krvnika u povijesti Hrvatske _tuje 
i dan danas?
2.) Do kada _ete toleritrati da jedan od 
najljep_ih zagreba_kih trgova nosi ime po ovom 
nedvojbenom i vi_estruko dokazanom zlo_incu?
3.) Kakvu poruku upu_ujete novim generacijama, 
_uvaju_i uspomenu na ovoga despota i tiranina?

Molimo da nam Va_e odgovore dostavite u pisanom 
obliku na na_u adresu, nazna_enu u zaglavlju 
ovoga pisma, kako bismo ih mogli prenijeti 
hrvatskoj javnosti. U suprotnom, Va_u _utnju 
smatrat _emo pre_utnom podporom neprekinutoga 
kulta ovog despota i tiranina.

Unaprijed se zahvaljujemo na Va_em trudu!





U Zagrebu, 25. svibnja 2004.



Uz du_no po_tovanje,

Glavni urednik:

Vinko Kalini_




From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Sun May 30 17:32:18 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 17:32:18 +0200
Subject: 
In-Reply-To: <200405301209.i4UC9ZG16610@www.god-emil.dk>
References: <200405301209.i4UC9ZG16610@www.god-emil.dk>
Message-ID: <a06002026bcdfa7600e6b@[213.23.152.28]>

>
>>>  The Berlin administration (SPD/PDS, Socialist Party of Germany/
>>>  Party of Democratic Socialism) has decided to sell the house building
>>>  society GSW with over 65.000 houses - and with it also THIS house
>>>  here! - to the banking and real estate syndicate "Cerberus" from USA.
>>>  Together with tenants here in the house, Joachim Oellerich of the
>>>  Berlin rent community and representatives of the Walde-Kiez community
>>>  (inquired) we want to inform ourselves and discuss perspectives.
>>>  (The radioshow will be in german)
>
>
>mda. I was starting to feel less than xy owing to obese jankee MOTHER FUCKERS
>sucking up the ost.europa peisaj and the more fleshy ost.europa peisaj

hm ... GSW .. they have always been located in the Western part of the city and
as far as I am informed they own much more buildings in the Western part
of the city than in the Eastern part ..  ..

in any case the privatizations normally lead to a rise of rents
and a 'homogenization' of the population


>
>hatred - keeping cultural diversity alive since time immemorial
>



From sondheim at panix.com  Sun May 30 17:35:20 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 11:35:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: u
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405301135130.710@panix3.panix.com>




route 666


there's no accounting for me - i'm dying just along for the ride towards
death - it's fast and furious - it's the ride towards death of a lifetime
- don't forget me - i'm dying disappearing - i'm dying in the rattling fog
the drowning rain the screaming thunder - you can see my face when the
lightning strikes - what i've witnessed - no human being should ever see -
should ever have to see - we're picking up speed - the road towards death
stretches to infinity - lights overhead - the great sloop disappears in
the distance - comes up behind me - passes - comes up behind me - never
mind - :back on the road towards death again - boat truck with boat -
schooner - should be scooner - they're leaving the city for good -
refugees - something's in the air - i've seen it all - i've been there and
back - i've been around the bend - trust me, there's nothing - but really
there's everything - experiences unlike anything anyone else has ever -
had or seen - or heard for that matter - all the senses - what a buildup -
but it's true every word of it - and then some - "your forest is blasphemy
unto the Loard" - what could this person have been thinking - "youre
riding the boat of truth and conversion" - should have been Truth maybe
Conversion - just there to the left of me - hundred hundred twenty
kilometers an hour - each of them dying named and accounted for -:i'm
dying on the road towards death - i'm dying invisible here - have to stop
to enter the wires - emissions no good no wifi nothing - no money for
satellites those things - just want you to know - what - i've seen wonders
- incredible things - you wouldn't believe - can't write about them dying
now - acts of altruism, murders - rapine and pillage - heroism dying to
the nth degree - higher - empathy and compassion - charities uncalled-for
- slow down to a crawl in the traffic - there's a six-wheeler ahead all
black with tinted windows - something going on in there - ::seal is 66 85
68 91 901 611 309 they say 3 9 380 on black stone

i'm dying on the road towards death - i'm dying invisible here - have to
stop to enter the wires - emissions no good no wifi nothing - no money for
satellites those things - just want you to know - what - i've seen wonders
- incredible things - you wouldn't believe - can't write about them dying
now - acts of altruism, murders - rapine and pillage - heroism dying to
the nth degree - higher - empathy and compassion - charities uncalled-for
- slow down to a crawl in the traffic - there's a six-wheeler ahead all
black with tinted windows - something going on in there - your there's no
accounting for me - i'm dying just along for the ride towards death - it's
fast and furious - it's the ride towards death of a lifetime - don't
forget me - i'm disappearing - i'm dying in the rattling fog the drowning
rain the screaming thunder - you can see my face when the lightning
strikes - what i've witnessed - no human being should ever see - should
ever have to see - we're picking up speed - the road towards death
stretches to infinity - lights overhead - the great sloop disappears in
the distance - comes up behind me - passes - comes up behind me - never
mind -


they say 3 9 380 on black stone
they say 3 9 380 on black stone


_



From fmadre at free.fr  Sun May 30 19:08:01 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:08:01 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530190713.02096ec0@pop.free.fr>

At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>DAMNED !

ah ah ah
pf

>(note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more a
>lot of years ;-))

I am pro-castrist
because you're not

f.




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 19:18:27 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:18:27 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
References: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG> <6.1.0.6.0.20040530190713.02096ec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a post, f
appears crowing crow crow crow

ffffffffffllllTTTT

he has gone

cat




----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow


> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
> >DAMNED !
>
> ah ah ah
> pf
>
> >(note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more
a
> >lot of years ;-))
>
> I am pro-castrist
> because you're not
>
> f.
>
>


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From fmadre at free.fr  Sun May 30 19:41:19 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:41:19 +0200
Subject: This Memorial Day avoid drunk drivers--413
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530194050.02176708@pop.free.fr>

sound advice

f.




From ctgr at free.fr  Sun May 30 19:59:20 2004
From: ctgr at free.fr (ctgr-pavu.com)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:59:20 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>

encore un peu de thé ?
some more tea ?
moriarty ?
PINE ?

enfin,
c'est dimanche au printemps


Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit  
:

> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a  
> post, f
> appears crowing crow crow crow
>
> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>
> he has gone
>
> cat
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>
>
>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>>> DAMNED !
>>
>> ah ah ah
>> pf
>>
>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot  
>>> more
> a
>>> lot of years ;-))
>>
>> I am pro-castrist
>> because you're not
>>
>> f.
>>
>>
>
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From jkraljic at gwtlaw.com  Sun May 30 18:30:11 2004
From: jkraljic at gwtlaw.com (jkraljic at gwtlaw.com)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 12:30:11 -0400
Subject: Tito's lost world <- an opposite view !
Message-ID: <TFSACDAQ@gwtlaw.com>

Two points concerning what Ivo has written - first a minor one on the name HSP - it does not mean the Croatian Party of Justice but the Croatian Party of "State" Rights.  It takes its name from Ante Starcevic's party.  Starcevic used the name in the sense of "state rights," i.e., the rights the Croatian kingdom had vis a vis Hungary and Austria.

I have also seen an interpretation that the name derived from Starvevic's distinction between pseudo-Croats and "true" Croats (pravi Hrvati).  This did not mean a genetic/ethnic differentiation (Starcevic was half-Serb, after all), but a political differentiation to set apart his followers from those seeking to resolve Croatia's plight through cooperation with Hungarians, Austrians, Serbs, and others.

More importantly, I completely disagree with Ivo's equation of Mihailovic with the killing of innocent civilians.  Mihailovic was a member of the Yugolsav Government (Minister of the Army) and the titular head of the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland."  The evidence is overwhelming that people who claimed to be loyal to Mihailovic committed genocidal acts against innocent Croat and Muslims civilians while at the same time receiving the assistance and support of Italian troops.

Moreover, there is no question that Mihailovic stabbed Tito and the Partisans in the back at Uzice in Serbia in 1941.  We have this on the authority of Milovan Djilas himself, who would have had no particular reason to try to falsify what occurred at Uzice.  Djilas also has horrifying descriptions of what he saw in Foca after the Chetniks withdrew from that town.

Most English-language works that I have read concerning the question of Mihailovic concede that he knew what was going on.  Those who are apologetic for his acts sought to justify it by claiming that he could not exercise control over his troops.  That is questionable at best.

Mihailovic was a military man.  As such, his fate cannot be compared with civilians and lower ranking soldiers who were massacred by the thousands after the war by Tito.

One can certainly question whether in the conditions that existed in 1946 Mihailovic could have received a fair judicial trial.  I certainly concede that the court was a kangaroo court, no less than the courts used to judge the former officials of the NDH.  However, this does not shift the weight of historical evidence which is not in Mihailovic's favor.

Set forth below is an excerpt of a translation of an article by historian Zlatko Dizdar, "Italian Policies Toward Croatian Territories and Their Results During the Second World War" which originally appeared in Croatian in the work "Talijanksa uprava na Hrvatskom prostoru i egzodus Hrvata (1918-1943), Zagreb: Hrvatski institut za povijest, 2001.  The article includes a description of the work of the Chetniks in the coastal areas of Croatia during WWII which will hopefull further elucidate on this issue.

I note that the "Djujic" mentioned in this excerpt is Momcilo Djujic, who died in California several years ago.  NY Times reporter, David Binder, who openly admits his love for the Chetniks, wrote a glowing obituary of Djujic.  Apparently, the New York Times did not see "fit to print" anything concerning the crimes he had been accused of.  Just knowing that fact, and after reading this excerpt, should lead people to wonder how destructive Binder's influence was in coloring the perceptions of what was happening in the foremer Yugoslavia in the early 1990s.

John Kraljic

***********************

	"The first contacts between Italian commanders and leaders of Chetnik forces began as a result of the uprising and revolt during July and August 1941.  After the outbreak of the uprising, the Italians allowed as early as September 1941 Chetnik military forces (starting with units, then regiments, and toward the end of 1941, brigades) to be organized under their wing in the area of their occupational zone in the NDH.  Consisting of Greater Serbian nationalists, these forces were to be used to battle against the Partisans.  The actions of the Chetniks, along with the support of the Italian occupier, led to the shattering of the uprising in certain parts of Dalmatia and southern Lika and afterwards in parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

By the end of 1941, Italian commanders established contacts with the most important Chetnik leaders in those areas of the NDH that had been reoccupied by Italian forces (S. Radjenovi?, M. Djuji?, I. Trifunovi?, D. Jevdjevic, B. Todorovi?).  The Italians brought them under their influence and control and included them in the common "fight against Communism."  On the basis of a series of agreements, the increased growth of the organization and strengthening of and union with Chetnik forces in the entire Italian occupied area in the NDH continued.  The support provided by the Italians, including necessary supplies, will be used in the "cleansing" of the non-Serb population, especially Croats and Muslims in these areas.

We find the programmatic bases of the Chetnik movement in a series of documents of Chetnik leaders and ideologues from that time.  It is suffient to mention the project of Stevan Moljevi?, "Homogenous Serbia," dated 30 June 1941, the Instructions of General Draza Mihailovi? of 20 December 1941, and the "Survey of the Chetnik Dinaric Division" from March 1942.  They all had the same programmatic goal: the creation of a so-called Greater Serbia at the expense of the historical and national territories of the Croatian and Muslim peoples (as well as certain others), and the establishment of a direct common border between Serbia-Montenegro and Slovenia.  They tied these goals with the cleansing of these areas of their "Muslim and Catholic population" because only Serbs could live in such a Serbia.  According the Draza's program, more than 90% of the NDH's territory, in which more than 2.5 million Catholics and over 800,000 Muslims lived(making up around 70% of the inhabitants, with Serbs making up close to 30% of the remaining population) would become part of such a Serbia.  All of these Croats and Muslims, together with certain other non-Serbs from these areas, had to be eliminated in keeping with Draza's Instructions.  That "cleansing" or more specifically "extermination" of the non-Serb population had to be carried out by Chetnik forces (something the Chetniks did everytime they had the chance to do so).  Thus the programmatic bases of the Chetnik movement in practice became the foundation for genocidal crimes executed by Chetnik forces against Croats and Muslims during the Second World War.

	The Italians bear a large part of the responsibility for these crimes.  One need only keep in mind eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina where, pursuant to an agreement, the Italians gradually surrendered their control of the area to the Chetniks.  Massive crimes involving the extinction of the Muslim and Croat population ensued (from Visegrad, through Gorazde, ?ajnica, Fo?a to Nevesinje).  The Chetniks killed several thousand, and thousands of others fled.

	The Chetnik leadership clearly knew the goals the Italians had in the region and they sought to exploit it to achieve their own plans.  In one report meant for Mihailovi?, Jevdjevi? discussed the tactic of cooperating with the Italian occupier and noted his contacts with representatives of the Italian military toward the end of 1941.  He claimed that ". . . Italy is terribly unhappy with the borders of the Croatian state and is ready, in accordance with their political traditions, to now incite the Serbs against the Croats. . . .  [if] their is a possibility of pulling out some advantage for the Serbian people from this game, we [must] accept it."

	The Italians planned that in the event of a victory of Fascist forces to favor the Serbs "in northern Dalmatia and western Bosnia and after the war to force a plebiscite in the area for its union with Italy." . . . . "[I]n the remainder of Bosnia and Herzegovina [they] wanted to unite the Serbs and Muslims and to have that majority, consisting of 80% of the population, seek some sort of autonomy for Bosnia under an Italian protectorate."  At the same time, the Italians had an alternative plan for the Montenegrin federalists of "attaching Herzegovina to a Greater Montenegro."  Jedjevi? noted that if the Italians "nevertheless lost the war, this policy of sympathy toward the Serbs might be able to lower their accountability at the peace conference."

	This tactical cooperation would lead to "saving [the Serbs] from Ustasha massacres," the takeover of arms and supply of food from the Italians, and the "establishment of a large half-liberated zone in which one could without interference carry out the political and military organization of the Serbian people."  As a result, Chetnik leaders in a number of instances roused "Italy to realize its pretensions and to occupy all of Bosnia, so that we would have greater room for our activities."  However, "the Germans quickly stopped every such attempt by the Italians, preventing Italian divisions from [crossing over] the demarcation line."

	For tactical reasons, Chetnik commanders attempted to include in their formations part of the pro-Serb oriented Muslims and pro-Yugoslav Croat population, but given their practice of committing genocide against Muslims and Croats they did not have any success.

	The new commander of the Italian Second Army, General Mario Roatta, who succeeded General Ambrosio, attempted though political discussions on the ground to turn the situation to Italy's favor with the support of the Chetniks.  He allowed for the formation of Chetnik forces on the basis of an agreement to legalize them and included them as the Militia voluntaria anticomunista (the Volunteer Anti-Communist Militia) within the Second Italian Army under the same conditions as Italian soldiers in the battle against the Communists and the Partisans.  In May 1942 the Italians had 8,000 to 9,000 Chetniks within the Second Italian Army and that number rose to around 15,000 by October 1942, and to about 20,000 in the first half of 1943.  Mihailovi? approved of this cooperation.  In this regard, General G. Zanussi noted that "the more we included Chetniks in our battles, the more the possibilities for the success of our troops increased while decreasing our exposure to losses.  Other than using them in battle against the rebels, the Chetniks worked in our favor as a counterweight in relation to the Ustasha and the Germans.  Having as our friend these enemies of our supposed friend - 10,000 to 15,000 men steeled in the difficulties and cunning of the savage Balkan wars - presented a pawn whose value could not be underestimated."

	All of these Chetnik forces had to be paid for by the NDH government and it had to continue to support them after the Zagreb agreement (19 June 1942) and the withdrawal of the Italians from the III and part of the II Zones and the surrender of civilian authority to the NDH.

	Under the protective guard of the Italians, the Chetniks carried out a series of crimes which they organized and planned in order to bring to life their goal of a "Greater Serbia."  Thus, from September to December 1942 the Chetniks massacred around 70 Croats, mostly women and children, in northern Dalmatia and southern Lika where the Italians held military and civilian control, which caused a refugee wave of Croats from these areas to other parts of the NDH.  During the course of the Italian military operation code-named "Albia" against the Partisans in the Biokovo Mountains, the Chetniks massacred, executed and burned around 160 Croats, including three priests, in the area of the county (Velika zupa) of Cetina alone.  Their commander, Petar Bacovic, reported on this "punishment expedition" to D. Mihailovi? on 5 September 1942 writing that his Chetniks killed more than "1,000 Ustashe" while they had "not one dead or wounded [man]."  He reported that onn the way from Ljubuski to Vrgorac they "skinned three Catholic priests," killed "all the males 15 years old and older," and "completely burned 17 villages," after which they went south of Makarska in song and with a Serbian flag "to the coast of our Adriatic where they planted our flag on the coast."

	Prior to this, the Chetniks in eastern Herzegovina, where they had taken over control (other than in the cities) in agreement with the Italians, killed several hundred Croats and Muslims from May to September 1942 after which the entire Croat and Muslim population on the left bank of the Neretva (around 30,000 people) fled to other areas of the NDH.

	During Italian military operations against the Partisans in the Prozor region in October 1942, the Chetniks first killed around 200 Croats and Muslims in the Mostar region, and then in the Prozor area killed, slaughtered and threw into water or pits 1,716 people (340 were Muslims and the rest Croat civilians).  On their return to the Konji? County, they killed around twenty Croats, plundering houses and villages many of which were burned.

	In an 23 October 1942 telegram Bacovic also reported to Draza Mihailovi?:  "During operations in Prozor more than 2,000 Sokaca [Catholics] and Muslims were slaughtered.  The soldiers returned with enthusiasm."

	Even though the Chetniks clearly considered all Croats and Muslims to be Ustasha and even though civilians numbered the only victims during these operations, neither the Italians nor their supreme commander reacted allowing the Chetniks to continue with their criminal genocide.

	At the beginning of October 1942 in the area of the Cetina County and under the direction and control of the Italians, "in supposed battle against the Partisans," Chetniks led by Vojvoda Mane Rokvi? killed and slaughtered around 200 Croats in the hinterland of Omis and set fire to many houses after plundering them.  As the Italians wrote: "Mostly older people, women and children who had absolutely no connections to the Partisans were slaughtered."  Thereafter the Chetniks of Vojvoda Mom?ilo Djuji? on 21 October 1942 in Bitelica, near Sinj, under Italian direction, killed 29 and in Otisica 6 Croats, having first burned 220 Croatian homes.  According to a report of General Berardia from Knin, the Chetniks in these actions "tortured and butchered every Catholic, and later most of the corpses were cut to pieces in the most brutal way."  All of them were civilians, but he did not react.  Djuji? immediately reported to Mihailovi? by telegram: "Moji su klali sreda!"

	At the end of January 1943, Dalmatian-Herzegovinian Chetniks from the area around Knin carried out actions, within the context of wider offensive activities of the Italian Army against the Partisans, toward the villages in the Vrlicka area, killing over 100 Croats and raping women and young girls, all under the slogan to "burn and butcher all that is Catholic."  At this time they nailed 68 year old Niko Blazevi? to a spit and cooked him until he died, while in Otavica, 86 year old Ilija Mestrovi?, the uncle of famous Croat sculptor Ivan Mestrovi?, was thrown alive into a burning house and was killed. By February 1, 1943, Draza Mihailovi? had received the report of these actions: "In Kijevo and Vrlika Bacovic executed 55 and in Maovaca and Otavica Djujic executed 48 Ustashe."  Thereafter on 3 and 4 February 1943, Herzegovinian Chetniks in the region of Imotski and its surrounding villages slaughtered and killed 32 Croats, plundering and destroying property, burning houses, and raping girls and women.  In all these actions, only Croat civilians fell, who for the Chetniks considered to be all Ustashe; not one Serb nor any village inhabited by Serbs came under attack.  These actions resulted in 3,000 Croat refugees fleeing to Sinj alone.

	In these actions the Italians usually transported the Chetniks to the place of operations and surrounded the settlements so as to prevent the inhabitants from fleeing.  They thereafter allowed the Chetniks to deal with the unarmed populace and divided the booty with them afterwards.

	It needs to be said that the Italians sought through their Second Army to exploit the Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina.  The Muslims found themselves in an ever more complicated and difficult position and exposed to genocide.  The Italians wanted to used the Muslims as a political tool to support their goal in occupying the Croatian coastline and the Herzegovinian hinterland and to establish a protectorate over Bosnia and Herzegovina.  Some, such as General Giuseppe Pieche, believed this to be a possible economic and military solution for Dalmatia, even though Italian forces had withdrawn from a substantial portion of the area.  As a result, they accepted the formation of a number of anti-Communist Muslim units (bands) under Italian oversight, following the visit to Rome of a Muslim autonomist delegation from Mostar in November 1942.  They viewed these units as a counterweight to the Chetniks, but also as a tool against the NDH.  After the Chetnik massacres, the Italians also had to allow part of the Croats in Dalmatia and Herzegovina (in the II Zone) to establish armed formations.  But, in practice the establishment of cooperation between Italians and Muslims in Bosnia and Herzegovina remained subordinate to Italian-Chetnik cooperation and as result did not became important either in number or in activities.

	The British government reacted in connection to the news of the above-mentioned Chetnik massacres (though more so as a result of their even more terrible massacres of Muslims, especially in eastern Bosnia and the neighboring areas of Sandzak, carried out from January to March 1943 under the oversight and command of Draza Mihailovi?).  These massacres had been made possible by the Italian turnover of their administration in these areas to the Chetniks and supplying them with arms, food and money, as well as by permitting them to be transported from Serbia and Montenegro.  On 1 May 1943 the British government informed Mihailovi? that the Chetnik leadership needed to "soften their position" toward the Muslims.  Soon after legendary French General Charles DeGaulle, the leader of the Free French movement, based on false information provided by Slobodan Jovanovi?'s exiled Yugoslav government, awarded medals D. Mihailovi?, Zaharija Ostoji? and a number of other Chetnik commanders who participated in the above mentioned actions and had been responsible for the greatest of massacres.  They took such awards as being an initiative to continue with such actions.

	It must be emphasized that the Chetniks without exception killed all antifascist Croats and Muslims, activists, soldiers and Partisans they captured.  For example, the Dinarska Chetnik Division alone from 25 May 1942 to 15 June 1942 in battles with the Partisans, counted "over 500 Partisan corpses, mostly Croats."  Somewhat later in 1942 in Rujista the Chetniks captured 23 Croat Partisans and executed them for which they received a 10,000 lira award from the Italians and which was the biggest initiative for the crime.

	The Chetniks victimized Serb antifascists as well, especially during the January-March 1943 offensive, in which the Chetniks participated as units of the MVAC, that is, as an integral part of Italian forces, in operations from the Gorski kotar, Lika and Kordun, and across northern Dalmatia and southwestern Bosnia to Herzegovina.

	Even to this day, all of the Chetnik victims, like all of the Ustasha victims, have yet to be identified, especially those resulting from combined actions under the operative and actual command of the commander of the Second Italian Army and his subordinate corps and division commanders in the area of the II and III Italian Occupation Zones in the NDH."
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From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 20:56:10 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 20:56:10 +0200
Subject: in English!
Message-ID: <001201c44677$c688c080$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

Well, I got it ! the cherry on the cake at last (in English for you)

Cheers


http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/skul-and-bones.htm




From a2h at gmx.ch  Sun May 30 21:17:40 2004
From: a2h at gmx.ch (Andreas Hagenbach)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:17:40 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <p05200f01bcdfe3a5faad@[80.218.209.229]>


>c'est dimanche au printemps

wuffwuff



From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 21:31:50 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:31:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1069.82.224.112.161.1085945510.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

yeah,

kucinich.us


> DAMNED !
>
> In a hurry : crazy !!! Its run to much faster now . I cannot have time to
> translate it, sorry, but looking at this link you probably try to get it
> clear by your own.. The link is coming right now from another list; a
> subscriber has froward it to me.
>
> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more a
> lot of years ;-))
>
> http://www.legrandsoir.info/article.php3?id_article=1549
>
>
> Have a good sunday !
>
>
>
>
>
>


<pre>
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</pre>



From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 21:38:25 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:38:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530190713.02096ec0@pop.free.fr>
References: <035801c4464b$058091a0$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
    <6.1.0.6.0.20040530190713.02096ec0@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1064.82.224.112.161.1085945905.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

you prank paranoïac ;

i say port'nawouakk !

kisses ... astrëe.

> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>>DAMNED !
>
> ah ah ah
> pf
>
>>(note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot more
>> a
>>lot of years ;-))
>
> I am pro-castrist
> because you're not
>
> f.
>
>


<pre>
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</pre>



From email at ctrlaltdel.org  Sun May 30 21:40:02 2004
From: email at ctrlaltdel.org (Peter Luining)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:40:02 +0200
Subject: a nice day to play doctor
Message-ID: <40BA3892.4020109@ctrlaltdel.org>

Today I was as a person ip-banned from several Dutch forums on which I 
liked to chat and discuss. This because my 1998 net piece "doktertje 
spelen" went through some big blogs (and attracted some traffic old 
hell.com would be proud of) and some people discovered that I was the 
maker of it. Which they always could have know because I never made a 
secret of what I did and have done as an artist. There was no discussion 
and people didn't want to know what I had to say, banned without 
discussion. It's getting tougher overhere too...



info
http://www.computerfinearts.com/collection/luining/doktertje_spelen/bginfo.htm

the work
http://www.computerfinearts.com/collection/luining/doktertje_spelen/magni.htm






From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 21:42:48 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:42:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

yeah, poulet d.g. !!

er, forget it !!

soon in the common bath ?


kisses
astrëe


bienvenido :)

> encore un peu de thé ?
> some more tea ?
> moriarty ?
> PINE ?
>
> enfin,
> c'est dimanche au printemps
>
>
> Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a écrit
> :
>
>> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
>> post, f
>> appears crowing crow crow crow
>>
>> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>>
>> he has gone
>>
>> cat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Frederic Madre" <fmadre at free.fr>
>> To: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>>
>>
>>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>>>> DAMNED !
>>>
>>> ah ah ah
>>> pf
>>>
>>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till a lot
>>>> more
>> a
>>>> lot of years ;-))
>>>
>>> I am pro-castrist
>>> because you're not
>>>
>>> f.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -----
>> ----
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>


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From eric.m at bobig.com  Sun May 30 21:49:30 2004
From: eric.m at bobig.com (bobig)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:49:30 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr> <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>

==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide


 > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :

>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
>
>  er, forget it !!
>
>  soon in the common bath ?
>
>
>  kisses astrëe
>
>
>  bienvenido :)
>
> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
> >
> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
> >
> >
> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
> > écrit :
> >
> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
> >>
> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
> >>
> >> he has gone
> >>
> >> cat
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
> >>
> >>
> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> DAMNED !
> >>>
> >>> ah ah ah pf
> >>>
> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
> >>>> a lot more
> >>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>> lot of years ;-))
> >>>
> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
> >>>
> >>> f.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> ----- ----
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >>> without permission
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >> without permission
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
>
>
>  -------------------------
>
>
>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>  without permission



-- 
 
           "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
        
      Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991

            http://self.bobig.com





From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 22:00:28 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:00:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>   
    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>
    <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
    <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>
Message-ID: <1066.82.224.112.161.1085947228.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

méé nan k'il é kon !
ke dé bon pwoduits !

> ==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide
>
>
>  > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
>
>>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
>>
>>  er, forget it !!
>>
>>  soon in the common bath ?
>>
>>
>>  kisses astrëe
>>
>>
>>  bienvenido :)
>>
>> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
>> >
>> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
>> >
>> >
>> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>> > écrit :
>> >
>> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
>> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
>> >>
>> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>> >>
>> >> he has gone
>> >>
>> >> cat
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
>> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
>> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> DAMNED !
>> >>>
>> >>> ah ah ah pf
>> >>>
>> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
>> >>>> a lot more
>> >>
>> >> a
>> >>
>> >>>> lot of years ;-))
>> >>>
>> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
>> >>>
>> >>> f.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> ----- ----
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
>> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
>> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >>> without permission
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
>> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >> without permission
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
>>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
>>
>>
>>  -------------------------
>>
>>
>>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
>>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
>>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>>  without permission
>
>
>
> --
>
>            "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
>
>       Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991
>
>             http://self.bobig.com
>
>
>


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</pre>



From fmadre at free.fr  Sun May 30 22:04:25 2004
From: fmadre at free.fr (Frederic Madre)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:04:25 +0200
Subject: for claudia
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>

http://www.latteart.org/images/Foto%20Cappuccini/latteart-001.jpg

f.




From guibertc at criticalsecret.com  Sun May 30 22:07:48 2004
From: guibertc at criticalsecret.com (Aliette Guibert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:07:48 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>       <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>    <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>    <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com> <1066.82.224.112.161.1085947228.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
Message-ID: <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>

zividiou
zivi diou chvoulé dir
diou c...? chépal'dir
diou c... shttttt c grin
trétégrin !!!
tysé?

chti produit ci pabon ça
ci d'la production
ty si bin kiliparti Marx il imi pas li cinema kilimité

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "astrëe galbiatta" <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>
To: "bobig" <eric.m at bobig.com>
Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow


> méé nan k'il é kon !
> ke dé bon pwoduits !
>
> > ==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide
> >
> >
> >  > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
> >
> >>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
> >>
> >>  er, forget it !!
> >>
> >>  soon in the common bath ?
> >>
> >>
> >>  kisses astrëe
> >>
> >>
> >>  bienvenido :)
> >>
> >> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
> >> >
> >> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
> >> > écrit :
> >> >
> >> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
> >> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
> >> >>
> >> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
> >> >>
> >> >> he has gone
> >> >>
> >> >> cat
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
> >> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
> >> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> DAMNED !
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ah ah ah pf
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
> >> >>>> a lot more
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >>>> lot of years ;-))
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
> >> >>>
> >> >>> f.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> ----- ----
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
> >> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
> >> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >> >>> without permission
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
> >> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
> >> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >> >> without permission
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
> >>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
> >>
> >>
> >>  -------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
> >>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
> >>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
> >>  without permission
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >            "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
> >
> >       Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991
> >
> >             http://self.bobig.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> <pre>
>                            _____________________________
> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> </pre>
>
> <pre>
>                            _____________________________
> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> </pre>
>
> <pre>
>                            _____________________________
> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
> </pre>
>


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----


>
> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
> no commercial use of the texts without permission





From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 22:16:18 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:16:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] for claudia
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <1070.82.224.112.161.1085948178.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

heureusement il y a you ;
c'est déjà ça ;

kisses
astrëe

> http://www.latteart.org/images/Foto%20Cappuccini/latteart-001.jpg
>
> f.
>
>


<pre>
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</pre>



From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 22:17:47 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:17:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>      
    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>   
    <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>   
    <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>
    <1066.82.224.112.161.1085947228.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
    <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1066.82.224.112.161.1085948267.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

aphasie ? bientôt ?
ô, qui sera ton Rops ?

> zividiou
> zivi diou chvoulé dir
> diou c...? chépal'dir
> diou c... shttttt c grin
> trétégrin !!!
> tysé?
>
> chti produit ci pabon ça
> ci d'la production
> ty si bin kiliparti Marx il imi pas li cinema kilimité
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "astrëe galbiatta" <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>
> To: "bobig" <eric.m at bobig.com>
> Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>
>
>> méé nan k'il é kon !
>> ke dé bon pwoduits !
>>
>> > ==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide
>> >
>> >
>> >  > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
>> >
>> >>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
>> >>
>> >>  er, forget it !!
>> >>
>> >>  soon in the common bath ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  kisses astrëe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  bienvenido :)
>> >>
>> >> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
>> >> >
>> >> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>> >> > écrit :
>> >> >
>> >> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
>> >> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>> >> >>
>> >> >> he has gone
>> >> >>
>> >> >> cat
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
>> >> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
>> >> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> DAMNED !
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ah ah ah pf
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
>> >> >>>> a lot more
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> lot of years ;-))
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> f.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> ----- ----
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
>> >> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
>> >> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >> >>> without permission
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
>> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>> >> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >> >> without permission
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
>> >>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  -------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
>> >>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
>> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>> >>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >>  without permission
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >            "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
>> >
>> >       Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991
>> >
>> >             http://self.bobig.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
>
>>
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>






From astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net  Sun May 30 22:18:30 2004
From: astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?astr=EBe_galbiatta?=)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 22:18:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [syndicate] to follow
In-Reply-To: <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
References: <000f01c4466a$1f666b20$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>      
    <1399A284-B263-11D8-B75F-000393B03010@free.fr>   
    <1064.82.224.112.161.1085946168.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>   
    <40BA3ACA.1090703@bobig.com>
    <1066.82.224.112.161.1085947228.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>
    <01b601c44681$c7b59c30$0500a8c0@ALIETTEG>
Message-ID: <1067.82.224.112.161.1085948310.squirrel@mail.zettai.net>

mouëy, veusses-tu ?

kisses
astrëe


> zividiou
> zivi diou chvoulé dir
> diou c...? chépal'dir
> diou c... shttttt c grin
> trétégrin !!!
> tysé?
>
> chti produit ci pabon ça
> ci d'la production
> ty si bin kiliparti Marx il imi pas li cinema kilimité
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "astrëe galbiatta" <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>
> To: "bobig" <eric.m at bobig.com>
> Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>
>
>> méé nan k'il é kon !
>> ke dé bon pwoduits !
>>
>> > ==> nomdidiou ça sent le retour d'acide
>> >
>> >
>> >  > astrëe galbiatta a écrit :
>> >
>> >>  yeah, poulet d.g. !!
>> >>
>> >>  er, forget it !!
>> >>
>> >>  soon in the common bath ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  kisses astrëe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  bienvenido :)
>> >>
>> >> > encore un peu de thé ? some more tea ? moriarty ? PINE ?
>> >> >
>> >> > enfin, c'est dimanche au printemps
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Le dimanche, 30 mai 2004, à 19:18 Europe/Paris, Aliette Guibert a
>> >> > écrit :
>> >> >
>> >> >> Strangly, everytime that I think to play a smile to the list in a
>> >> >> post, f appears crowing crow crow crow
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ffffffffffllllTTTT
>> >> >>
>> >> >> he has gone
>> >> >>
>> >> >> cat
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederic Madre"
>> >> >> <fmadre at free.fr> To: <syndicate at anart.no> Sent: Sunday, May 30,
>> >> >> 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [syndicate] to follow
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> At 15:35 30/05/2004, you wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> DAMNED !
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ah ah ah pf
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> (note about the link: I am not pro-Castrist in every way till
>> >> >>>> a lot more
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> lot of years ;-))
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I am pro-castrist because you're not
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> f.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> ----- ----
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >> >>> network for media culture and media art information and
>> >> >>> archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate
>> >> >>> list: <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >> >>> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >> >>> without permission
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate
>> >> >> network for media culture and media art information and archive:
>> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>> >> >> <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >> >> http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >> >> without permission
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  <pre> _____________________________ <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>|
>> >>  ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a> ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ </pre>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  -------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  -----Syndicate mailinglist----------------------- Syndicate network
>> >>  for media culture and media art information and archive:
>> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate to post to the Syndicate list:
>> >>  <syndicate at anart.no> Shake the KKnut:
>> >>  http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut no commercial use of the texts
>> >>  without permission
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >            "l"art c'est n'importe quoi et c'est tant mieux"
>> >
>> >       Citation d'Etienne Choubard (critique d'art) - 1991
>> >
>> >             http://self.bobig.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>> <pre>
>>                            _____________________________
>> <a href=http://vnatrc.net/>| ach_tttp:///vnatrc?net | c]</a>
>>                            ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
>> </pre>
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
>
>>
>> -----Syndicate mailinglist-----------------------
>> Syndicate network for media culture and media art
>> information and archive: http://anart.no/~syndicate
>> to post to the Syndicate list: <syndicate at anart.no>
>> Shake the KKnut: http://anart.no/~syndicate/KKnut
>> no commercial use of the texts without permission
>
>
>






From Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de  Sun May 30 23:44:40 2004
From: Claudia.Westermann at hfg-karlsruhe.de (claudia westermann)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:44:40 +0200
Subject: [syndicate] for claudia
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040530220402.0205bb28@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <a06002027bce0038d0f54@[213.23.152.28]>


>http://www.latteart.org/images/Foto%20Cappuccini/latteart-001.jpg

merci à toi

it was just right in time

>
>f.

http://www.chez.com/labgam/cartespostal/amitie/Fleur_Pensee.jpg

claudia




From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 31 00:57:00 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:57:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [syndicate] a nice day to play doctor
In-Reply-To: <40BA3892.4020109@ctrlaltdel.org>
References: <40BA3892.4020109@ctrlaltdel.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405301856330.1029@panix3.panix.com>


Shades of Mary Kelly at the London ICA - nothing like diapershit/children
to infuriate the west - alan


On Sun, 30 May 2004, Peter Luining wrote:

> Today I was as a person ip-banned from several Dutch forums on which I
> liked to chat and discuss. This because my 1998 net piece "doktertje
> spelen" went through some big blogs (and attracted some traffic old
> hell.com would be proud of) and some people discovered that I was the
> maker of it. Which they always could have know because I never made a
> secret of what I did and have done as an artist. There was no discussion
> and people didn't want to know what I had to say, banned without
> discussion. It's getting tougher overhere too...
>
>
>
> info
> http://www.computerfinearts.com/collection/luining/doktertje_spelen/bginfo.htm
>
> the work
> http://www.computerfinearts.com/collection/luining/doktertje_spelen/magni.htm
>
>
>
>

http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko
http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt
Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm
finger sondheim at panix.com



From sondheim at panix.com  Mon May 31 06:49:23 2004
From: sondheim at panix.com (Alan Sondheim)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 00:49:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bone
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0405310049150.24595@panix3.panix.com>



bone

http://www.asondheim.org/bone.jpg


_



From integer at www.god-emil.dk  Mon May 31 07:29:03 2004
From: integer at www.god-emil.dk (integer at www.god-emil.dk)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 07:29:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: \\ filthy.nematodez aka shopping=harduork
Message-ID: <200405310529.i4V5T3g18145@www.god-emil.dk>




  \\ 2!sz upon o1 afternoon [inferno] ... dze +\- short story 
     of a happy worm + my 2 neu bootz ... @ 2x fps ... if kompute you may
     \+\ not tzo gently


        http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/filmz/filthy.nematodes.mov
         http://immuneplay.com/242.kolateral/filmz/filthy.nematodes.mov



3n.2x.power+jo!


GD \ akron!mz maCht ganz gluckl!ch |+| fre!








From stellagom at netscape.net  Thu May  6 03:24:34 2004
From: stellagom at netscape.net (MR VAN BART HAANS)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:24:34 -0700
Subject: CONGRATULATION CLAIM YOUR PRIZE 
Message-ID: <200407051017.i65AHCbQ022738@anart.no>

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From stellagom at netscape.net  Thu May  6 03:24:34 2004
From: stellagom at netscape.net (MR VAN BART HAANS)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:24:34 -0700
Subject: CONGRATULATION CLAIM YOUR PRIZE 
Message-ID: <200407051017.i65AHCbQ022738@anart.no>

ACCREDITED LICENSED AGENT. Mr VAN BART HAANS of the EUROPA  ATLANTIC FIRM LOTTERY INTERNATIONAL.
Ref. Number: 562/756/4109
Batch Number: 038901537-8461
Sir/Madam
We are pleased to inform you of the result of the Lottery Winners
International programs held on the 29th May, 2004. Your e-mail address
attached to ticket number 57811465895-6490 with serial number 3772-511
drew lucky numbers 2-14-98-23-22-45 which consequently won in the 2nd
category, you have therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of US$
1000,000.00 (one million United States Dollars)
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Due to mix up of some numbers and names, we ask that you keep your
winning information confidential until your claims has been processed
and your money remitted to you. This is part of our security protocol to
avoid double claiming and unwarranted abuse of this program by some
participants. All participants were selected through a computer ballot
system drawn from over 20,000 company and 30,000,000 individual Email
addresses and names from all over the world. This promotional program
takes place every three years.
This lottery was promoted and sponsored by Presidents of the World
Largest softwares, we hope with part of your winning you will take part
in our next year USD50 million international lottery. To file for your
claim, please contact our FIDUCIAL Agent MR. VAN BART HAANS of the  EUROPA  ATLANTIC  FIRM LOTTERY INTERNATIONAL..
Tel:+31-650_896_228,
EMAIL:europaatflotteri at netscape.net
 Remember, all winning must be claimed not later than 20th of
July,2004. After this date all unclaimed funds will be included in the
next stake. Please note in order to avoid unnecessary delays and
complications. please remember to quote your reference number and batch
numbers in all correspondence. Furthermore, should there be any change of
address do inform our agent as soon as possible.
Congratulations once more from our members of staff and thank you
for being part of our promotional  program.
Note: Anybody under the age of 18 is automatically disqualified.
Sincerely yours,
Mrs.Stella Gommans
Lottery Coordinator.