Fw: [syndicate] Re: Re: Re: too much deviance...
TH.
thth at noos.fr
Wed Jun 11 16:27:22 CEST 2003
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> liste libre.
TH
----- Original Message -----
From: "astrëe galbiatta .vnatrc.net." <astreegalbiatta at vnatrc.net>
To: "TH." <thth at noos.fr>
Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [syndicate] Re: Re: Re: too much deviance...
> En réponse à "TH." <thth at noos.fr>:
>
> > merci de rappeller les clichés à deux balles.
> > ça t'emmerde que quelqu'un percute avec le TH, hein ?
> > où je me trompe...
>
> tu te trompes.
>
> beaucoup trop irénique pour ça...
>
> insouciante, même.
>
> kisses
> quand même
> & always
> astrëe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "astrëe galbiatta .vnatrc.net." <>
> > To: "Lachlan Brown" <lachlan at london.com>
> > Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:57 PM
> > Subject: [syndicate] Re: Re: Re: too much deviance...
> >
> >
> > > En réponse à Lachlan Brown <lachlan at london.com>:
> > >
> > > bien, mais il faut bien choisir ses amis, où qu'on soit.
> > > ça aussi, tout le monde est au courant.
> > >
> > > kisses
> > > astrëe
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > too much deviance ?
> > > > > too much alliance.
> > > > >
> > > > > TH
> > > >
> > > > Je dois être d'accord avec mon ami français.
> > > >
> > > > On l'identifie universellement que les Français
> > > > ont la meilleure compréhension des 'normes' et
> > > > de la 'déviance'. Il y a certainement l'espace
> > > > dans L'Metaversite pour un cours d'initiation
> > > > de base.
> > > >
> > > > Européens de l'est confondent souvent la
> > > > déviance avec la cruauté. C'est une erreur
> > > > à corriger.
> > > >
> > > > Anna, et amis du Syndicate, vous êtes au
> > > > courant de la littérature...?
> > > >
> > > > Lachlan
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2003.06.07. 17:29:10, <hub at x-arn.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >is it a french mailing-list ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Mon Français s'améliorera.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >best,
> > > > > > >HUB/ARN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Subscriber,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Syndicate is a list mainly English, but postings
> > > > > > in other European languages are also possible,
> > > > > > not just French, German, but all the other languages,
> > > > > > even if we are able sometimes to abstract only
> > > > > > a small part of the information.
> > > > > > We also like code-language, ASCII-art, those many mails
> > > > > > that explore scripts, software-like commands,
> > > > > > or develop an individual language.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the last two years the list suceeded to regulate itself
> > > > > > without moderation. Despite so much chaos, we are all very
> > > > > > much against moderation!
> > > > > > We also gave up attempts to regulate NN since longtime...
> > > > > > not that for instance me, i would agree with anything she
> > > > > > writes, but i got convinced that it would be useless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, in order to try to balance the noise-content
> > proportion
> > > > > > maybe it is not useless to remind about the list's goal,
> > > > > > that should be reflected to a *certain degree* in the list's
> > > > > > information policy as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Syndicate is meant to circulate announcements related
> > > > > > to new media art, new media culture, but we also expect
> > > > > > any information from parts of Europe where media arts are
> > > > > > still a marginal, emerging art form
> > > > > > - the list is meant to spread media criticism. We keep in
> > > > > > mind that specially in East Europe, where much of the
> > > > > > audience resides, commercial culture, and also wild
> > > > > > media capitalism gains much faster ground than media criticism
> > > > > > and visual culture. It is not widely known perhaps,
> > > > > > that all alternative information is very valuable in East
> > European
> > > > > > countries, for instance in Russia, where journalists get
> > > > > > killed for political reasons in presently as well.
> > > > > > - because syndicate is a non-mainstream, alternative channel
> > > > > > of information, also reflections, reports about social or
> > > > > > political situation are also welcome on the list,
> > > > > > specially in these times, where the most alarming informations
> > > > > > come from the United States, and not only. East Europeans are
> > > > > > the people who know exactly what a totalitarian country means,
> > > > > > and they could share their experiences and sensitivity about
> > > > > > total control, just as Ivo Skoric does when he crosspossts
> > > > > > to syndicate his mails sent to Thomas Keenan, one of the most
> > > > > > appreciated media experts involved in the Balkan war
> > > > > > as well. But also ironic political comments based on the
> > critical
> > > > > > methods of the alternative culture, such as Marc Garret's
> > texts
> > > > > > are welcome.
> > > > > > - syndicate is meant to circulate and spread net art, or
> > whatever
> > > > > > is left of that once avant-garde art form, that explores and
> > > > experiences
> > > > > > with the internet as a medium, here including also spam art,
> > > > errors,
> > > > > > wrong interfaces as well (these simulations of the bad quality
> > for
> > > > > > instance look so funny in East Europe where people bear the
> > > > invasion
> > > > > > of *real* bad quality)
> > > > > > - we encourage any critical reflection about net art and new
> > media
> > > > > > art in general, here including reports about events,
> > festivals,
> > > > > > or analyses about individual artists, works or a just a
> > phenomena
> > > > > > of the net
> > > > > > - since the whole history of net art till present flourished
> > > > > > and still goes on practically without serious attempts to
> > connect
> > > > > > net art to the other art forms, these kind of analyses are
> > more
> > > > > > than welcome also
> > > > > >
> > > > > > for futher information look up the list info file, at
> > > > > > http://anart.no/sympa/arc/syndicate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the list is not about 'my-life-as-a-series-of-opening',
> > > > > > my social or sexual life, documented in press-cuts, specially
> > > > > > if it is not a terribly interesting opening, and it is not
> > > > > > about one line replies, private comments that could be sent
> > > > > > off-list, nor about 'i have the idea to write about my
> > neighbour'.
> > > > > > The list does not stand for the epigons of Netochka Nezvanova,
> > > > > > or those of Frederic Madre, who unfortunately do not all
> > excell
> > > > > > in the content-level of their postings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When coming up with redundant, trashy or self-centered
> > > > information,
> > > > > > or you just pursue someone with your anger or your admiration,
> > > > > > consider please also the price of connectivity and download
> > > > > > of the mails, that can be very high in East Europe.
> > > > > > Give a thought also to the fact that i am willing
> > > > > > to keep the syndicate archives safe, so that your
> > grand-children
> > > > > > might also have the chance to see for instance the way you
> > took
> > > > > > a picture about a drunk girl and made the picture available on
> > > > > > the net.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It worths maybe to appriciate also that so much noise could
> > make
> > > > > > ultimately impossible meaningful exchange and interaction.
> > Think
> > > > > > also to the subscribers who don't have the option of a
> > moderated
> > > > > > version of the list, neither we can offer presently a software
> > > > > > that would insulate these mails, and would keep these mails
> > > > visible
> > > > > > at the same time for the sake of the complete information.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you need terribly to post your diary or real-time memoires
> > > > > > on the syndicate list, please at least consider compressing
> > your
> > > > > > daily data in one mail, or better send a one month's dose in
> > > > > > one mail, or put it on the web, and send the link once in a
> > while.
> > > > > > In some cases once in a year would be also be enough.
> > > > > > I don't mean this *once in a months* for the net.poetry,
> > > > > > specially if it comes together with a critical presentation.
> > > > > > For the delicate delimitation of net art and non-art, we are
> > lucky
> > > > > > enough to have here one of the best net critics on the
> > scene...
> > > > > > Frederic, I trust you.
> > > > > > Once we agreed also that mails reflecting one's emotional
> > life,
> > > > > > are marked in the subject with [ot], we could introduce this
> > > > > > distinction again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is very rare that we get any feedback about the list
> > itself,
> > > > > > we do not receive not even objections. It would be useful
> > > > sometimes
> > > > > > that you, Subsriber, voice your opinion. Floods of superfluous
> > > > > > informations occur also when passivity dominates. Say, if you
> > > > > > disagree with me, or just if you have any suggestion about
> > > > > > administration.
> > > > > > If the quality of the list, the discussion goes under a decent
> > > > level
> > > > > > I might also think - on the 'we are equal' basis - about a
> > > > 'temporary
> > > > > > moderation' art project, just as some of you think that 'many
> > > > mail'
> > > > > > is art.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > greetings,
> > > > > > Anna Balint
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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>
> veux
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