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human being
human at electronetwork.org
Tue Jun 10 00:54:24 CEST 2003
hi syndicate list.
my interest in the list was to learn more about developments,
current events, and interactions between Eastern and other
European views. as a lurker it was once imagined that there
may be more information about this realm, in terms of how
these environments are, and their difference from other ones
like in the USA. for instance, a few examples...
* this may sound odd but it never seemed appropriate to ask
about things as follows as it is unknown if they are appropriate
questions, or if they would be mocked for trying to discuss ideas.
from this perspective, (in the USA) it is hard to see or imagine
the different environments, and it has been curious what the
limits of interaction are between cultures, if it is language-based
primarily, or if there is a (totalitarian) political aspect in which it
may be hard to write openly or critically about some topics. it is
for this reason that a lot of critiques about the USA's policies
are prevalent, it seems, yet those equally critical between the
Western and Eastern European nations and elsewhere never
make it into critiques of growing hegemony, or so it seems. it
may be an inaccurate portrayal, yet it is curious what today's
'cold war' environment has been transformed into, what is a
vestige, limitation, optimal and hopeful aspect in this various
perspectives. and how may media and other developments be
in these states (of mind, of people, of citizens, of regions)....
this is to ask, for instance, what are the views of here and there
or at least this is a reason for one person to be listening. mostly
information has been parsed on language and as a fun or a
different creative list environment. yet there are some serious
events going on that are not being reported, not by political
angles alone, but by people on the ground, doing their works.
maybe English discourses or ideas or power structures are
so dominant it is hard to interact through translation or through
very different cultural realities or assumptions. and yet it is
very curious how people are doing, what it is like working in
areas that are not the main technopoles, likely with the E.U.
taking the lead in wired communications and Japan wireless,
it would seem, or it seems that the USA is not dominant in this
critical area (good for dynamism) and yet what happens when
the enlarged EU involves transporting electrical power from
former states of the USSR of the New Europe to Old European
centers, hardwiring this new structural geopolitical relationship
which is also related to technological development, globalism,
possible exploitation or imbalances that are detrimental, and
is this relevant, felt, visible, of importance, or not the place to
share this, or at least- where are the divides still standing in
the way of greater East-West+ connections. in the USA there
have been a lot of people from Eastern Europe who have
immigrated to here, and so this is an interest also, from
having met people and enjoyed learning about things and
wishing to know more about what is happening today, with
a general interest.
* another aspect by way of example is that once I learned that
the U.K. had a computer hardware company called 'Acorn',
which seemed to have developed Acorn computer hardware,
it opened up the eyes as to what the difference may be for
visual culture or cross-cultural aspects of computing, too.
that it is not just a U.S. hegemony (it seemed, once, possible)
and today it may be China that has the economics of scale
to go further (own hardware, buy processors, use Linux), to
compete with the Microsoft/Dell or PC-clone market on its
own terms, as a state-manufacturer, with state computers,
(and likely backdoors for surveillance, too). there are both
specific interests, such as 'what is the history of computing
in Russia' for instance, or Eastern Europe, or Europe or
elsewhere for that matter, from scholarly, first or second
or third hand sources, to get some sense of the rest of the
worlds of experiences, what do people experience day to
day 'there' that is different from 'here' (is how it may be said
if speaking to oneself). another way to put it is that, like with
electrical plug adapters one uses one traveling to different
countries, so as to be able to 'plug-in' to the electrical grid
(and cyberspace), or with the earlier days of development
and how a state-company may have been influenced when
Tesla and Edison were pitching systems for sale in Eastern
Europe (Russia, I believe Edison helped developed early
street lighting), yet are there 'Russian' light bulbs that do
not have the 'Edison base' (like a screw) on the end? are
there Romanian computing companies like there were in
the USA in the 1980s, and earlier, using custom machines
as, with the monolithic USA-centric story (default, online,
in English, it would appear) the USA has exported not only
all the world's hardware and software but controls life in
all aspects everywhere and all the time, which is evidently
not accurate, but without hearing of other stories of hard-
ware and software cultures (not just art designs but also
computer and electrical engineering cultures) it is hard to
know what is unique about Eastern and other European
realities, the state of infrastructures- is it evenly distributed
in terms of access or are there severe difficulties in keeping
balance or even online communities in whole states due to
political, social, economic cultures, which may be related
to the past, or to changes, challenges, and where things
meet online, is it another culture or partly connected and
these are all curiosities as it is important to know this and
respect it, in my opinion, to not generalize one model as
the entire model, such as with issues of development
around the world and the troubling aspects various stages
may be encountering, and how to address/change this.
- the other aspect is more specific and it is that the early
and present history of electromagnetic scholarship in
the arts, sciences, and technologies has often been said
to be different in Eastern Europe and yet it is not exactly
know why, where, or how to look for this information, and
if there is information online, and if there are people who
are doing interesting work along these lines. a project now
worked on is meant to reach farther than US and West EU
mindsets, and yet there seems to be a strong presence of
some places and peoples and very few of others. having
some experience with worldwide lists and communicating
with people when running a site on architecture, it did not
matter where one was from because of the ideas. and the
richness of the ideas were sometimes paradigmatically
different ways of seeing, that unless this communication
happened, it is nearly impossible to grasp its importance,
its cultural value, and once encountering this the desire
does not go away to keep such networks opening and
inclusive and learning about other people and networks,
as part of a network of ideas, beyond geography, but
related to people in different geographies. it is just that
it is worried that there may be a stigma that the western
countries have, or maybe privilege in itself, which makes
it difficult to speak on the same terms, or share without
distinction. yet this is partly why the syndicate seems to
be a platform where this can and could and sometimes
does happen, yet it is wondered if resources for people
for do not discuss these things exists elsewhere, as i
view these as all related to new media, and having some
trouble with the term itself (where it becomes, and ends)
that makes me wonder where the people are, with ideas.
is it even new media that resonates, and is criticism the
same if being critical means being in deep trouble. not
that this is not the same in a lot of places, in different ways,
and yet these voices are seemingly absent in discourses
that seem so out of touch from the feet (not in one place,
but in terms of how to interact online, and justify this with
the experience offline, in relation to the severity of the times)
and if this is seem as inappropriate maybe it is, yet it is also
a wish to know more, learn more, and listen more to ideas
and approaches and people and cultures. so i lurk. brian
* this is also to add that the current list is oftentimes of
interest and poetic and intriguing, not to discount this.
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