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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war Wally Keeler

*	From: "Wally Keeler" <poetburo at sympatico.ca>
*	To: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako at yahoo.com>, "furtherfield" 
<info at furtherfield.org>, <list at rhizome.org>
*	Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
*	Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:06:26 -0400
*	References: <20020928231007.76107.qmail at web11405.mail.yahoo.com>

A simple image that aptly describes useful idiots.
I don't join in on Save-The-Dictator movements.

From: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako at yahoo.com>
>  Well!- that's a decisive argument- you must be
>  schooled in all the arts of rhetoric, Wally.
>
>  --- Wally Keeler <poetburo at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>  From: "furtherfield" <info at furtherfield.org>
>>>
>>>  all the groups & more who are at the STOP THE WAR
>>>  march today in London.
>>
>>  a herd of sheep

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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war Michael Szpakowski

*	From: Michael Szpakowski <szpako at yahoo.com>
*	To: Wally Keeler <poetburo at sympatico.ca>, furtherfield 
<info at furtherfield.org>, list at rhizome.org
*	Cc: syndicate at anart.no
*	Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:10:07 -0700 (PDT)

Well!- that's a decisive argument- you must be
schooled in all the arts of rhetoric, Wally.

--- Wally Keeler <poetburo at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>  From: "furtherfield" <info at furtherfield.org>
>  > Blankhttp://www.stopwar.org.uk/groups.asp
>  > all the groups & more who are at the STOP THE WAR
>  march today in London.
>
>  a herd of sheep
>
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For the sake of freedom, let them go! Ivo Skoric

*	From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo at reporters.net>
*	To: Ed Agro <edagro at bellatlantic.net>
*	Subject: For the sake of freedom, let them go!
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:48:32 +1200
*	Priority: normal
*	Reply-to: ivo at reporters.net

There are buzz words in any civilization. Certain Roman senator
always ended his speeches with a sentence urging that Carthago
should be destroyed (today's Tunis).

Court-appointed president Bush likes to begin his pleas for war with
"for the sake of freedom"...

Is that "for the sake of freedom" that 649 peaceful protesters were
arrested in Washington DC?

And what were they protesting? IMF destroying yet another
country? (Since the indtroduction of IMF "measures" to "save"
Argentina, nearly 20% of children went malnourished in a country
that produces 2 tons of food per person daily.) WTO type of "free
market" in which tarriffs are slapped on products from the poorest
countries (like Bangladesh, for example) forcing their population to
work for below-subsistence wages for various multinational
sweatshops?

Is this exactly the best way to emphasize the winning Western
values of peace, democracy and free markets that "do not have
ideological competition in todays world," according to a
Washington DC based author? Having military spending that
surpass twelve other subsequent countries? Going from the war to
war? Having a president decided by the Supreme Court? Enforcing
economic mesaures and tarriffs on poor countries? Arresting your
own citizens who protest that?

This is all very disappointing.

ivo
.
Ivo Skoric
19 Baxter Street
Rutland VT 05701
802.775.7257
ivo at balkansnet.org
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Make the French pay! Ivo Skoric

*	From: "Ivo Skoric" <ivo at reporters.net>
*	To: Ed Agro <edagro at bellatlantic.net>
*	Subject: Make the French pay!
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:55:25 +1200
*	Priority: normal
*	Reply-to: ivo at reporters.net

So, first the Americans concluded that French intelligence was co-
operating with Serbs in Bosnia, disclosing allied plans to Serb
generals, and certain French officers were recalled, indeed.

Now, Milosevic comes up with a theory that French intelligence co-
operated with Bosnian Muslims in Bosnia in conspiring to
massacre civilians in the UN safe haven Srebrenica and then pin
the blame on Serbs.

Are those the same French intelligence officers? Was the French
intelligence pursuing two contradicting policies in Bosnia at the
same time? Maybe they killed Kennedy, too. Did anybody
investigate that?

Now, Western mismanagement of Srebrenica is already well
known, and both the French and the Dutch government admitted its
portion of guilt, with the later even resigning over that fact.

Numerous books and reports were written on Srebrenica. It is very
probably the best documented atrocity of the wars for Yugoslav
succession. And all this evidence points in one direction: there
were Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica enclave protected by the
UN troops; yes, there were some Bosnian paramilitaries among
them, that irritated Ratko Mladic; eventually, the UN troops caved
into Mladic's ultimatum and let Serbs take over the enclave; in the
meantime someone massacred a couple of thousands people and
threw them in shallow graves that came up nicely on CIA sattellite
photos. Since the victims were Bosnian Muslims and the surviving
victors were Bosnian Serbs, the conclusion was obvious.

Nobody disputes Milosevic's notion that paramilitary formations
committed the worst atrocities. It is nice to know, also, albeit
completely irrelevant for the case, that the same paramilitary unit
that committed Srebrenica massacres later traveled to Congo to do
the same there.

What is important is that, unfortunately for the Hague's most
outspoken defendant, "the paramilitary unit" was Serb, armed and
logistically supported by Yugoslav / Serbian / Bosnian Serb
military, and that the chain of command takes you not to Chirac or
Izetbegovic, but right up to his excellency, Slobodan Milosevic,
regardless of who else the accomplices in that conspiracy might
have been.

ivo

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/28/international/europe/28HAGU.h
tml?todaysheadlines

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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war Wally Keeler

*	From: "Wally Keeler" <poetburo at sympatico.ca>
*	To: "furtherfield" <info at furtherfield.org>, "Michael 
Szpakowski" <szpako at yahoo.com>, <list at rhizome.org>
*	Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
*	Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:35:19 -0400
*	References: 
<20020928231007.76107.qmail at web11405.mail.yahoo.com> 
<065601c2674c$0e015920$3ce6fea9 at wallyx848tqinf> 
<010901c2674e$60bdd9c0$0100a8c0 at FURTHERFIELD>

I say you missed a lot of points.
I get info as fully as you get info.
The demonstrators held placards which reflected their own particular
jingoism - and that is what it is.
Does the Bush admin indulge in jingoism -- yep.
Your brief little postings were nothing more than jingoism.
I replied the same.

----- Original Message -----
From: "furtherfield" <info at furtherfield.org>
To: "Wally Keeler" <poetburo at sympatico.ca>; "Michael Szpakowski"
<szpako at yahoo.com>; <list at rhizome.org>
Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war

>  Wally,
>
>  You are missing the point, there are issues a little more subtle than that
>  going on. Do you get info on the net over there or are you blocked by AOL?
>
>
>
>  > A simple image that aptly describes useful idiots.
>  > I don't join in on Save-The-Dictator movements.
>  >
>  > From: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako at yahoo.com>
>  > > Well!- that's a decisive argument- you must be
>  > > schooled in all the arts of rhetoric, Wally.
>  > >
>  > > --- Wally Keeler <poetburo at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>  > >> From: "furtherfield" <info at furtherfield.org>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> all the groups & more who are at the STOP THE WAR
>  > >>> march today in London.
>  > >>
>  > >> a herd of sheep
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
>

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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war marc.garrett

*	From: "marc.garrett" <marc.garrett at furtherfield.org>
*	To: "Wally Keeler" <poetburo at sympatico.ca>, <list at rhizome.org>
*	Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
*	Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:54:28 +0100
*	References: <001201c26707$fc24b010$0100a8c0 at FURTHERFIELD> 
<05b801c2672d$98741990$3ce6fea9 at wallyx848tqinf>

Herd or not, sometimes people have got to get together to save other lives -
you twat!

First they came for the Twats...and no one bother to help them.

>  From: "furtherfield" <info at furtherfield.org>
>  > Blankhttp://www.stopwar.org.uk/groups.asp
>  > all the groups & more who are at the STOP THE WAR march today in London.
>
>  a herd of sheep
>
>

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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war -IID42 Kandinskij @27+

*	From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death at zaphod.terminal.org>
*	To: Wally Keeler <poetburo at sympatico.ca>
*	cc: furtherfield <info at furtherfield.org>, <list at rhizome.org>, 
<syndicate at anart.no>
*	Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:37:54 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Wally Keeler wrote:

>  a herd of sheep

To which you belong. Baa.

Not a concept you have understanding of, besides piddly mis-readings
on the subject matter.

Sheep are those created to follow. Majority of humans (male + female)
are created to be sheep. It is not a derogatory term.

Mob + mass psychosis + mechanical behaviors are only remotely connected
to people being sheep.

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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war -IID42 Kandinskij @27+

*	From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death at zaphod.terminal.org>
*	To: furtherfield <info at furtherfield.org>
*	cc: <list at rhizome.org>, <syndicate at anart.no>
*	Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:27:26 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, furtherfield wrote:

>  all the groups & more who are at the STOP THE WAR march today in London.

Tzzt. 9/11 attack continues long after 9/11:
sublimation of the West in to a 'mass solidarity' of imbecilic
mob behavior + debasement of its population into an idiotic herd.

The East is laughing at you--and not nicely.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war -IID42 Kandinskij @27+

*	From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death at zaphod.terminal.org>
*	To: furtherfield <info at furtherfield.org>
*	cc: Wally Keeler <poetburo at sympatico.ca>, Michael Szpakowski 
<szpako at yahoo.com>, <list at rhizome.org>, <syndicate at anart.no>
*	Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war
*	Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:32:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, furtherfield wrote:

>  You are missing the point, there are issues a little more subtle than that
>  going on.

Yeah. Extremely subtle. The highest order of consciousness is involved.

>  Do you get info on the net over there or are you blocked by AOL?

All North America is owned by AOL and it's brainwashing the population.
Really.

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Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war Wally Keeler

*	From: "Wally Keeler" <poetburo at sympatico.ca>
*	To: "furtherfield" <info at furtherfield.org>, <list at rhizome.org>
*	Cc: <syndicate at anart.no>
*	Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: massive solidarity against the war
*	Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:28:24 -0400
*	References: <001201c26707$fc24b010$0100a8c0 at FURTHERFIELD>

From: "furtherfield" <info at furtherfield.org>
>  Blankhttp://www.stopwar.org.uk/groups.asp
>  all the groups & more who are at the STOP THE WAR march today in London.

a herd of sheep

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