[spectre] European debate/referendum : journalists of theFrenchTV TV2 and more denounce and sign

Sun May 8 03:24:37 CEST 2005

ick bin ain börliner

Am 08.05.2005 um 02:00 schrieb grace aplomb:

> <<ich bin ein>> what crazy *?%# language is that??!?!
>
>
> --- franck ancel <franck.ancel at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Ich bin ein "paranoïa, agressivity, no intelligence;
>> no dialogue, and
>> bargain, just fantasmagoric rethoric"
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "v.grancher" <v.grancher at free.fr>
>> To: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>;
>> ""spectre""
>> <spectre at mikrolisten.de>
>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [spectre] European debate/referendum :
>> journalists of
>> theFrenchTV TV2 and more denounce and sign
>>
>>
>>> hereafter the proof  of the behaviour of this
>> woman:
>>> paranoïa, agressivity, no intelligence; no
>> dialogue, and bargain, just
>>> fantasmagoric rethoric
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> no coment is necessary ....
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Valery Grancher
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Aliette Guibert"
>> <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
>>> To: ""spectre"" <spectre at mikrolisten.de>
>>> Cc: "valery grancher" <v.grancher at free.fr>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [spectre] European debate/referendum
>> : journalists of the
>>> FrenchTV TV2 and more denounce and sign
>>>
>>>
>>>> You become a crazy manpower in delation and
>> misunformation Valery : I
>>>> discover that you could be a man linked to a
>> party : is it peripherical
>> or
>>>> central ?
>>>>
>>>> All what I post here on the constitution can be
>> verified following the
>>>> links.
>>>>
>>>> You give to see which climate of hate it is
>> growing up in France between
>> a
>>>> part and a part. Exactly it is the predictable
>> future coming from a fake
>>>> united Europe : HATE.
>>>>
>>>> Ask to the journalists who have signed the
>> calling by Cotta (they are in
>>>> professional risks right now), and even Laure
>> Adler herself as France
>>>> culture manager of radio France had signed the
>> petition of the human
>> right
>>>> league to protest of the extradition of
>> Battisti, last year ! - Even she
>>>> could be ok to the constitution (but it does not
>> appear that she would
>>> have
>>>> tolf of it - :
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> http://www.ldh-france.org/media/actualites/battisti19-11-04.pdf
>>>>
>>>> So happy freedom in free Europa, great
>> inquisitor !
>>>>
>>>> I am a fighter even you would not appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Poor Sad Business Art Man running for your plate
>> :)))
>>>>
>>>> Becoming a comportementalist policeman you
>> appear at last under a
>> strange
>>>> light.
>>>>
>>>> A.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "valery grancher" <v.grancher at free.fr>
>>>> To: "Aliette Guibert"
>> <guibertc at criticalsecret.com>
>>>> Cc: ""spectre"" <spectre at mikrolisten.de>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [spectre] European
>> debate/referendum : journalists of the
>>>> FrenchTV TV2 and more denounce and sign
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am living in paris and I am french, and since
>> a few weeks I can see
>>>> some email from this woman who's meaning that in
>> our country we don't
>>>> have anymore our  freedom to choose european
>> constitution or not...
>>>>
>>>> That's really funny and when I'm  reading it I
>> and you may feel a fancy
>>>> paranoid behaviour with a huge disinformations
>> focusing on her wown
>>>> fantasm to be a victim of the french system.
>>>>
>>>> 1-  You have to know that nobody care about her
>> email and she's
>>>> anonymous and she's trying her best to get a
>> kind of philosophical and
>>>> political fame
>>>>
>>>> 2- The point she cannot get it because her
>> speech is not philosophical
>>>> neither polotical but fantasmagoric... and
>> fantasm  is more dealing
>>>> with subjectivity than objectivity. And politic
>> is dealing always with
>>>> a complex balance of fantasmagory and
>> objectivity: The way that the
>>>> politicians are elicted regarding their campaign
>> and propaganda (look
>>>> bush for example or chirac) and then objectivity
>> during their mandate
>>>> and the way they are managing the government and
>> the reform.
>>>>
>>>> 3- But, When politicians are dealing with
>> objectivity, they are brought
>>>> back to fantasmagory through the reaction they
>> are provoking: strikes,
>>>> manifestations.  Everybody know that the main
>> focus of a strike or
>>>> manifestation is to say "NO!", this is not to
>> propose another solution
>>>> neither another reform.
>>>>
>>>> Conclusion:
>>>> Regarding Europe constitution in our country,
>> that's exactly whats is
>>>> happening right now before the referendum:
>>>>
>>>> 1- We are free because we can say no or yes
>> during the refereendum
>>>> 2_ Like in every campaign both side are dealing
>> with fear and paranoïa
>>>> to promote their position:
>>>> - "No side" is saying that europe will kill oour
>> economy, that we will
>>>> loose our freedom, our jobs and our national
>> identity and that is
>>>> really funny to see that both communist and
>> neofacist have exactly the
>>>> same speech regarding this constitution in our
>> country !!!!!
>>>> - "Yes side" is saying that this france who
>> conceived this
>>>> constitution (valery giscard d'estaing ex
>> president of france), that
>>>> this constitution may not be from right neither
>> left and is defending
>>>> our power in Europe and our position: We cannot
>> say no because we will
>>>> loose ourr power and credibility. And here also
>> that is funny to see
>>>> both side, the democratic and republican politic
>> parties, from the
>>>> socialist to the republican (ump) have the same
>> speech!!!!
>>>>
>>>> So everything is very clear, tghe antagonism
>> regarding this
>>>> cconstitution is not based on right versus left,
>> but on extreme and
>>>> totalitarian ideology versus social democrat and
>> republican ideology
>>>> based on neoliberalism !!!!
>>>> And on my personnal level as a citizen who has
>> to vote in the next few
>>>> days, the maain wierd point is this election is
>> not dealing with
>>>> politic but a kind of a crazy choice in between
>> totalitarian and social
>>>> democrat together wikth republican ! That means
>> that they are no more
>>>> ideology based on right and left in politic but
>> based on freedom
>>>> (liberalism) oor totalitarism (communist or
>> fascist)...
>>
> === message truncated ===
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